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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to HOOPSNI. You're at the volume havy Thursday. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: hope Aul, if you guys are having to get a

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Speaker 2: great week.

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Speaker 3: As I said after Game one of the Eastern Conference Finals, there's.

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Speaker 2: Some sort of weird voodoo magic going on that makes

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Speaker 2: it so that you have to beat the Indiana Pacers

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Speaker 2: for like five times in a seven game series, and

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Speaker 2: once again in classic fashion, down against the Ropes several

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Speaker 2: different times down the stretch, several different runs from the

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Speaker 2: after impossible shot from the Pacers down the stretch. Aaron

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Speaker 2: Nismith coming flying out of that left corner, rising and

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Speaker 2: firing like it's Game one against the Knicks all over again.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Nemhard with the seventeen dribble step back against Shay Gilgas,

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Speaker 2: and very much in position to give themselves a chance

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Speaker 2: to win this series. Just absolutely unbelievable stuff. All my notes,

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Speaker 2: Crumple them up, throw them in the trash. As far

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Speaker 2: as the narrative of this game goes, We're going to

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Speaker 2: get into as much of the basketball as we can

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Speaker 2: I am in complete shock, as I can imagine just

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Speaker 2: about anybody outside of the Pacers fans who have been

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Speaker 2: believing in this team all season long. I'm in shock,

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Speaker 2: I will say before we get started, I cannot say

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Speaker 2: enough how much this Pacers team has just injected an

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Speaker 2: enormous amount of entertainment into this NBA Playoffs. The NBA

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Speaker 2: Playoffs is just a lot of blowouts over the years

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Speaker 2: and their unwillingness to give up, and the way that

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Speaker 2: I can't say enough about what the Pacers have done

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Speaker 2: guys remember, I talked about these potential failure points for

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Speaker 2: Miserably in the first half, Like as bad as you

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Speaker 2: The big one that they were dealing with in that

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Speaker 2: Nineteen turnovers in the first half a truly remarkable performance

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Speaker 2: it's because of the job that lou Dort can do

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Speaker 3: And they scored.

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Speaker 2: Sixty six points in the second half and all night long,

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Speaker 3: Wasn't perfect.

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Speaker 2: That's an area where Oklahoma City can do better. We

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Speaker 2: those like tight window bounce passes aren't there. It's almost

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Speaker 2: I think Indiana could. I think Indiana could lighten up

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Speaker 2: Man I know that was all over the place, but

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a little bit more about the game,

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it first. I think I'm gonna throw at you.

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Speaker 4: And we got a super chat question from Cole. Are

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Speaker 4: people undervaluing Rick Carlyle's coaching experience compared to Mark Dagnault's.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't. This is tricky.

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Speaker 2: I think the credit that goes to Carlile has more

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Speaker 2: I didn't think Rick Carlisle went out there and just

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Speaker 3: Like, guys, the.

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Speaker 2: Team's basketball character flows from the top down. It's what

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Speaker 2: office going after? Is he just strictly going after talent

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Speaker 2: of what you're trying to build.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, there's a certain skill set you need as well,

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Speaker 2: competitive ass kickers that like to play hard and that

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Speaker 2: possibly be, down to the head coach, down to the

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Speaker 2: have in that locker room. But Rick Carlile, from day

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Speaker 3: You know how crazy it is.

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00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: Off of nineteen turnovers only give up nine points in

437
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: transition to the Oklahoma City Thunder. You know how sharp

438
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: you have to be, You know how dedicated you have

439
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: to be. Watching that juxtaposed with what we saw from

440
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: the Knicks in Game six of the Eastern Conference Finals,

441
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: it was absolutely amazing. But like I didn't think again,

442
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: as far as Dagnall goes like, we did see a

443
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: little bit of that, like bogging down ISO offense at

444
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: the top of the key, but I didn't think they

445
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: got bad looks. They got some clean catch and shoot looks. Again,

446
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: I thought Shay shouldn't have passed the ball to jadaub

447
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: on the second to last ISO. You're asking a twenty

448
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: three year old to bail you out there. You're the dude,

449
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: go go, go, get a bucket and then he overcooked

450
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: a jumper that if he makes it, they win, right, So, like,

451
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to overreact. I want to just give

452
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: credit to Carlisle for the basketball character that he's instilled

453
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: in this team.

454
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And normally I don't care about stuff

455
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: like Shamstronia reporting before the game.

456
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: Here's how here's my take on it.

457
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: But he did have a stand up about team building

458
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 4: and about how this might be a sign for teams

459
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: with considering both of the teams going after some of

460
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 4: these ultra competitive, multiple college year guys as opposed to

461
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 4: just hunting for a star every time in the draft,

462
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: and that type of thing really feels relevant when you're

463
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: seeing guys like Andrew dem Hard be so successful in

464
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 4: the playoffs. You're seeing guys like Lou Dort who not

465
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: even he wasn't even drafted, but like guys who are

466
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 4: just have this highly super high motor super highly competitive

467
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 4: are being are a lot more valuable for teams like this,

468
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: especially for teams with championship aspirations, than taking your dart

469
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 4: throw at the hopeful star pick.

470
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Speaker 2: You know, we talk about this all the time, like

471
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: playing winning basketball sucks. It's hard, man Like, it's hard

472
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: in the normal context of like you guys going to

473
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: play pickup, like when we go play pickup. Obviously, if

474
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: you want to win more pickup games, you gotta do

475
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: all the shit that's hard, right. You gotta run back

476
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: and transition defense, you gotta palk through screens, you gotta

477
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: put your body on the line for rebound, you got

478
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: to run the floor on offense, got to do all

479
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. Now add the additional layer of

480
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: advanced NBA schematics and all the different game plan stuff

481
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: you got to remember, and all the specific stuff within

482
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: different coverages that they go to utilize, and it's just

483
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: extremely difficult. It's extremely difficult. And so you need a

484
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: certain type of personality, a certain type of guy in

485
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: that locker room that's willing to put in the work,

486
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: and it's a little bit harder to find than you think. Again,

487
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: there's I think that there is a competitive nature trait

488
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: that is vastly underrated in the NBA. And it's just like,

489
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: how much do your dudes hate to lose? Because if

490
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: they really hate to lose, then they will listen to

491
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 2: their coach when their coach is presenting to them a

492
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: plan with which to avoid that loss. And I just think, man,

493
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: I know you heard me at the top of the show.

494
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: I just can't say enough about this Pacers team and

495
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: how special they are just to the game of basketball

496
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: for the example that they represent.

497
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they I can't remember a team ever playing like

498
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: this ever, Like it's it's amazing how relentless they are

499
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: on both ends. They're like the seven second Sons offensively,

500
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: but they're kind of dynamic defensively at this point. They

501
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: like for when Pascal got healthy. At that point in

502
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: the regular season, they had the second best record in

503
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: the NBA, and their defense has been quite good since then.

504
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 4: It's hard to I can't think of teams that were

505
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 4: this sort of dynamic and speed oriented offensively that were

506
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 4: able to translate that to the defensive end.

507
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: Also, their relentlessness in rotation, like even like concession shots

508
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: like oh okay, see bang bang bang broke you down

509
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: got a wide open three, they're still throwing a close out.

510
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: It's just like a token close out. Like, let's not

511
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: let this dude get super comfortable. Let's make him realize

512
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: he's got to shoot it right now. Like there's just

513
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: it's so crazy, man. And then like, honestly too, I

514
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: want to hand it to Halliburton too. Like Haliburton was

515
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: having one of those games too, where he was getting

516
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: a couple of looks here and there. Occasionally you do

517
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: that classic thing where he drags out the ball screen

518
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: and then pump fakes and the dude just goes flying by.

519
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: But like he wasn't exactly getting super high quality looks,

520
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: but he just stayed invested and then made a couple

521
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: plays late when he needed to. It's this team, man,

522
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: and there's the tough shot making voodoo is legitimately crazy

523
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: because it's crazy. It's like they are at the end

524
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: of these games. Andrew Nemhard hit like legitimately a Kyrie

525
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Irving dribble combination.

526
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: Well, he was dribbling in the air out of the

527
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: basketball three consecutive possessions. Yeah, and then he hits the

528
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: one of the most insane threes you could possibly hit

529
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 4: in that moment. Oh my god, he's missed three before

530
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: that rattles in just a laser that rattles in, and

531
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Speaker 4: Haliburton having the to your point, having the confidence in

532
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: the balls to take that last shot after not having

533
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: a particularly effective scoring game.

534
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: It's one thing to have to.

535
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: Take that shot if you're a score first player, even

536
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: if you're having a bad game or if you're having

537
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 4: a great game. He is a pass first player who

538
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: was not having a good scoring and said, no problem,

539
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: give me the give me the fucking ball.

540
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: He got like, and he shot that with conviction too,

541
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 2: Like he stopped and popped, and he put all his

542
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: legs into it, and he shot it high and he

543
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: shot it soft and it rattled in. Is unbelievable stuff.

544
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: Before we go over to the all star stuff, you

545
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: texted me about.

546
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: Halfway through the third quarter, okay, Yeah.

547
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna read your exact text, okay,

548
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: And then what I want you to do is just

549
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: kind of explain if you still feel this way overall. Okay, Yes,

550
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: he said, I feel like the Pacers are really in

551
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: this series. Surprisingly, this dort shooting performance is giving me

552
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: Celtics Game one and twenty twenty two vibes dirt going

553
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: off and the Pacers can't stop turning the ball over

554
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: and there's still only down ten. I don't know, it

555
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: feels like they're in it to me.

556
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: So do you do you? Like you straight up think

557
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: the Pacers can win the series. I don't.

558
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: Well, I still really wasn't kind of wasn't expecting them

559
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: to win this game. I was saying that more of like, oh,

560
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: they're in the series, not even they're gonna win tonight.

561
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, they're more especially for game one.

562
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: I kind of thought Game one might be a blow

563
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: out the other way or like in okay, so he

564
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: might win by a lot. Yeah, And it looked like

565
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: that for a little while. It was teetering on the

566
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: edge of a potential blowout. And I don't know, I

567
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 4: think I am still discounting the devil magic of the

568
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: Pacers when I also texted you when Miles Turner missed

569
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: that wide open three and Halle missed a step back three,

570
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 4: and either of those threes I think would have tied

571
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: the game at that point or maybe cut it to

572
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: one possession with like three four minutes laught something like that,

573
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, that was our moment.

574
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: That was it felt like their moment. It's like, dang,

575
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: they were making the comeback.

576
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 4: Had two very good looks to really get over that

577
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: sort of mental hurdle of tying the game or maybe

578
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: even taking the lead by one, and they missed them both,

579
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: and I was like, ah, there it is gone to

580
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: game two. Here am I the dumb one? I haven't

581
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: been been. I've also been discounting the Pacers this whole time.

582
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable how they keep doing this. I do feel

583
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: like I mean, obviously they won Game one on the road.

584
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: They're in the series.

585
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I would expect, you know, a twenty point thunder

586
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: win game two.

587
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: But how can we say that they have a chance

588
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: to win this sea I'm gonna put it like this simple.

589
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: I think it was Zach Low that said, like, h like,

590
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: anybody who's picking anything other than Oklahoma City in five

591
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: or six is expecting something really weird to happen. For

592
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: the record, I agree with that. So I'm not about here.

593
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm not here saying Zach is wrong. Here's what I'm

594
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: thinking right this second, though, What do you mean something

595
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: something weird is gonna happen. This entire postseason for the

596
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: Pacers has been weird, Like everything about.

597
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: It is weird.

598
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: Like it's just what you got the weird game this

599
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: you just did it wed thing.

600
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. It's like it's like here you go. It's

601
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: it just got weird. It just got weird. It just

602
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: got weird. Yeah, like I thought it was for me.

603
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: It was the Turner three when Turner had that wide

604
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: open pick and pop three late that he missed and uh,

605
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: he had hit two in a row before that, but

606
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: like he earlier in the second half, but he missed

607
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: that pick and pop three and along off the back

608
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: of the rim, and they didn't get the offensive rebound,

609
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, up there it goes and they

610
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: but they just kept going. They just they The never

611
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: stop thing is crazy. Highly underrated play in that sequence

612
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: was the Pascal Siakam offensive remount put.

613
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: Back off of unbelievable play.

614
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: Unbelievable play.

615
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: They did a lot of damage on the offensive glass

616
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: along the baseline from their bigs down the stretch of

617
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: this game. I did think that was fascinating. Okay, see

618
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: really controlled things in that department early and then and

619
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: then the dynamic flip. Any other thoughts on the game

620
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: before we move over.

621
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: I don't even know it's process. No, I mean, it's

622
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: just it's just unbelievable. I'm just so excited for this

623
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 4: series now. I was excited for the series before, but

624
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: now it feels like we're in for a real treat.

625
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: I was.

626
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: I was a little worried about the excitement level across

627
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: the board if there was an okay.

628
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: See blowout, and now it feels like we're all locked in. Yeah,

629
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: the series.

630
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: I thought the game was immediately fun to watch, and

631
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't worried about guys like us or the people

632
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: that watch this show particularly like enjoying enjoying watching the series,

633
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: but I was in I was concerned about whether or

634
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: not it could be competitive enough to be interesting to

635
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: the masses and the pacers once again. Like that, That's

636
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: what I meant off the top, Like the job they've done,

637
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: like straight up injecting casual joy and intensity and beauty

638
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: into this playoff.

639
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: Run is just crazy. Man.

640
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: But the pace we're gonna head over to play back

641
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: in about ten minutes, I wanted to really quickly. Jackson

642
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: and I were going to have a quick little debate

643
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: about this team USA versus Team World. Adam Silver audible here.

644
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: So Adam Silver says that they're going to structure the

645
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: All Star Game as USA versus the World next year.

646
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: This has been the latest and a long line of

647
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: attempts for Adam Silver to try to make these guys compete.

648
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: It's literally all he's trying to do, get them, give

649
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: them a reason to compete, and they've been unsuccessful to

650
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: this point. I'm skeptical as to whether or not this

651
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: will work. I am intrigued by the matchup, though, so

652
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: obviously it gets tricky. There's some realities to how this

653
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: could even work. But I want to start by just

654
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: looking at the starting fives and just putting it together

655
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: from there and kind of working around so we can all.

656
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: I would argue that the world top five is really obvious,

657
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: and that is just Luka, Jokic, Chake Eu, just Alexander

658
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: Jannis and Wimby.

659
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: I agree wholehearted.

660
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody else who has a case

661
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: to get into that group. Who is the USA five?

662
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Speaker 4: I gotta assume they run back some version of the

663
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Speaker 4: Olympic five, which is Steph Booker Lebron Kadie and either

664
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: Bam or Anthony Davis, whoever is healthiest, I would assume,

665
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: But that's gotta be the first four, even like I

666
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 4: don't have no I do not care a single second

667
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: about how old Lebron James is, Like, you have to

668
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: run that group out right.

669
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Speaker 2: I The tricky thing there is I wonder if there's

670
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: some of those guys are gonna get bumped because of

671
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: just regular season performance, Like is Anthony Edward's gonna end

672
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: up right cramming his way into that list something like that.

673
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: At least they have some practice playing without Jason Tatum.

674
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 4: And is maybe the answer ever Devin Booker.

675
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: Anyways, But yeah, I this is where it gets tricky.

676
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: The entire premise doesn't make a ton of sense because

677
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: in terms of debating these two teams competing, because the

678
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: entire idea is that these guys aren't competing. But like

679
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: there's an undeniable, like the Americans can run the floor

680
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: a little bit better. I would argue that it gets

681
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: a little tricky when they get stuck in the half court. Obviously,

682
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: Luka Nikola Jokic, shake yell, just Alexander that's the three

683
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: most surgical offensive players in the NBA at this point.

684
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: I will say this, though, I think splitting it up

685
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: and putting Steph Lebron and Katie on the same team,

686
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: do you think there's any chance that that brings the

687
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: competitive or do you think those old dudes are like,

688
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: this isn't worth it.

689
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: It's a great question, I think. I think bringing the

690
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: fact that.

691
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Speaker 4: If the Olympics wasn't last summer, if the Olympics wasn't

692
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 4: so recent, I would say and even at this point,

693
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: it will be one year later, so maybe I won't

694
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: feel that recent at the time, but I do feel

695
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 4: like that has had such an energy to it the

696
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: Olympics that I'm hoping that carries over since you have

697
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: that same core US group, And I also think it's

698
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: good to have specifically Yiannis against.

699
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: Playing against that team.

700
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 4: It's not like Team USA versus France, Tuosa versus World

701
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: team that has Giannis that is the most try hard

702
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: player in the NBA, try art star, at least in

703
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: the NBA, and so I'm hoping he and Wemby, who

704
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 4: seems to be taking things like personally personally, but like

705
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: he's he seems to be taking it a little. Seriously,

706
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that those two can set a little bit

707
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 4: of a tone for the World team because you get

708
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: those two in transition, I mean, they're I mean, that's

709
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: a good of an All Star pairing as you could

710
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 4: possibly come up with, honestly.

711
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: And if those dudes just run and Luca and Jokic

712
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: just throw kick ahead passes, that might go a long way.

713
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 4: To tell me, Luca throwing three quarter lobs to Wemby

714
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: and Giannis a game like, come on.

715
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: But we all agree that, like, if those dudes really

716
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: knuckle down, that they're just gonna beat the USA, right,

717
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: Like we we agree on that.

718
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: What's I don't know the case.

719
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: The case is the the old Man Avengers just won

720
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: the Gold and they and when Steph is rolling, you

721
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: know who's stopping Steph in an All Star format. There's

722
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Speaker 4: the other another wrinkle to this that I just thought of,

723
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: by the way, is there is a chance that Jannis

724
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Speaker 4: and Wemby are on the same team next year, and

725
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Speaker 4: if they are both starting the All Star Game next

726
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: to each other, going against the World team, then you're

727
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: gonna get I think that would even ramp up the

728
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: intensity a little bit more from from their perspective.

729
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: But if the world's also gonna play harder to your point,

730
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: I think that's where it gets pretty tough. I think

731
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: we're talking about Steph will be well, Steffie thirty eight, yet.

732
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Speaker 3: I think he.

733
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Speaker 2: Will be Lebron will literally be forty one. Ad Ad

734
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: will be thirty two or thirty three, I think at

735
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: that point, and KD I think will be thirty eight

736
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. It's pretty a group. It's an

737
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: old it's an old group. You obviously start to dip

738
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: into the benches and it gets tricky too. But you

739
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 2: mentioned this to me in the text. But like I do,

740
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: there are some realities to like, how could you even

741
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: logistically pull this off in terms of putting.

742
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: In the formats strange.

743
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: The format's a little strange because we talk about the

744
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 4: the European and the Overseas, not just europe. Overseas stars

745
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 4: winning all the MVPs recently and feels like they're taking

746
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: over the league as some of the times the conversation.

747
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: But it's very top heavy.

748
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: It's very top heavy, and so I'm wondering past guys seven,

749
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: eight or nine. Like I saw some graphics people are

750
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 4: making up putting Bogdanovitch out there and like that's fine,

751
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: good for Bogdanovic, But right, are we gonna give that

752
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: guy an All Star?

753
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: Not?

754
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: Are we getting fifteen guys from each team? Are we

755
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: just oping that we get a magic eight and eight?

756
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: Like?

757
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: Logistically and because of the the not in the moment importance,

758
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: but the historical importance of All Star appearances and in

759
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: terms of resume building and that kind of stuff, you

760
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: can't just be gifting people all star games.

761
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: You can't.

762
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Speaker 2: To your point, you'd have to literally structure it in

763
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Speaker 2: a way to where you gave all Star selections but

764
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Speaker 2: didn't let dudes play like You'd have to have a team.

765
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Speaker 2: You'd have to have a Team USA roster that is

766
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: like seventeen players long right, and then have like to

767
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: your you'd have to have like Bogdanovich come in and

768
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: basically be a filler. I mean, when we start to

769
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: go down the list, it's like we get to a

770
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Speaker 2: lot of Americans before we get to other foreign players

771
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: like Tyres Maxi, and I'm just going down the points

772
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: per game list. Tyre's Maxi, Kate Cunningham, Jalen Brunson, Pala Boncaro,

773
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: Devin Booker, as we established, would probably have to come

774
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: off the bench, LaMelo Ball, Damian Lillard, Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Irvings,

775
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 2: Zion Williamson, Steph Curry, Karl Anthony Towns, Lebron, James Trey Young.

776
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: Franz is the first foreign name to show up on

777
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: that list.

778
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like you'll get Jamal Murray will finally get

779
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 4: his All Star appearance.

780
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: That's cool, I guess good for Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray

781
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: up in there. I don't know, like the after the

782
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: top five of the world.

783
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: It is a very strong top five and they it's

784
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 4: but it's very top.

785
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: It after Franz, cam Thomas, American, Donovan Mitchell, American, Tyler

786
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: Harrow American, Joe El Embiid Adopted American, Darreon Fox American,

787
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: Zach Lavine, American, John Moran, American, James Harden American, Brandon

788
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: Ingram American, Demart rose An American, Jalen Brown, American, Jaron Jackson, American,

789
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: Norman Powell American. Like I'm Jamal Murray is the next guy.

790
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray is the next guy. At he's thirty ninth,

791
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: and so this kind of goes to Kd's because Kadi

792
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: was ranting about this a lot on social media, this

793
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: idea that he like, he didn't he think some of

794
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: the talk with the world catching up is overblown, and

795
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: there's a case for both sides.

796
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: Like I could argue both.

797
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: Like if I was arguing that the world's ahead, I

798
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: could be like, we have you know, the world has

799
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: three of the top three players in the world right now,

800
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: you know four of the top four, Like it's probably

801
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: y'll get Shae, Giannis and Luca are your top are

802
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: your top four in all likelihood?

803
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: Right?

804
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: But if I was arguing Kadi's point of view, I'd

805
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: be like, it's just random because after you get past

806
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: those top four guys, it's dominated by American players at

807
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: that point. And obviously points per game isn't the perfect

808
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: UH indicator there because there are guys like Sabonis who

809
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: you're you're probably not putting, you know, all the way

810
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: down in forty or something like that. But like there

811
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: are other like do everything types of guys that are

812
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: going to be higher on that list. But there is

813
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: a reality to like, once you get off of that

814
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: top tier of superstars, it's a pretty steep drop off

815
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: from there, So, like I I feel like Adam Silver

816
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: he did. He doesn't seem to have much of a

817
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: plan for how this is gonna work.

818
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't seem that much of a planner.

819
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: I admire the intention and the intention of trying to

820
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: get guys to compete. My thing is like, if you're

821
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: not going to give them something to compete for, meaning

822
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: like if you're not gonna throw a bunch of money

823
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: on the table, then really your only chance is the

824
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: character of the players, Like you need more giannis as,

825
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: more wembys, more guys that come in are like I'm

826
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: playing hard tonight, and if you get enough of those guys,

827
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: it'll work.

828
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: It's just like any pickup run.

829
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: If you go play pick up and you get seven

830
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: or eight pretty high level players to play super hot hard,

831
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: like you can mix in some riff raff and it's

832
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: gonna work. But like once you dip below the like

833
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: mandatory minimum of like understanding of high level basketball, like

834
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna fall off of a cliff. And like similarly,

835
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: with effort and energy and competitiveness, like if.

836
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: You get like.

837
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: Like five or six dudes on the floor who are

838
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: like really going for it, you'll have the other three

839
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: or four they're gonna or four or five, they're gonna

840
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: look at each other and they're gonna be like, we're

841
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: gonna be embarrassed and look stupid if we don't also

842
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: start playing hard. And so it's on the players. We

843
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: need competitors. We talked about competitiveness at the top. You

844
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: need competitors to come in and actually uh raise that level.

845
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, last thing before we go.

846
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 4: I do think that there is a chance that it

847
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 4: works if it have and I think if this actually

848
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: does happen.

849
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: They really need just a stroke of.

850
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: Good luck like they got with the first year of

851
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: the ELA ending it was the first.

852
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: Year after covid R.

853
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: In the first year, yeah, and it was unbelievable in

854
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter of that game, and the fact that

855
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: in the next couple of years it wasn't because it

856
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: wasn't even close in the fourth quarter getting to the

857
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 4: fourth quurse, right, And so if by whatever stroke of luck,

858
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: you get a close game heading into whatever the fourth

859
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 4: quarter of this new format will be, then you have it.

860
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 4: I think if it's get down to eight minutes left

861
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: or a target score, these guys will turn on the

862
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: country pride thing from the Olympics a little bit, but

863
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: if it's not closed at that point, then it's gonna

864
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: flop heavy.

865
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: So in all, like, if there's one thing I agree

866
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: with the Adam Silver approach over the last few years,

867
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: he's gotten really janky with everything. But it doesn't make

868
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: sense to play forty eight minutes if the guys aren't

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Speaker 2: gonna play.

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Speaker 3: Hard, like for sure. But my thing is like, if

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Speaker 3: this doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: And it's more or less the same dynamic that we've

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Speaker 2: seen in other years, I think you just go back

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Speaker 2: to forty eight minutes, you go back to East West,

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Speaker 2: you go back to your normal rosters, and you just

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Speaker 2: leave it up to the players to compete. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I saw we saw Kevin Duran quote tweet the thing

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Speaker 2: with Steven A. Smith when he was like saying like

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Speaker 2: it's going to be like basically like saying it's going

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Speaker 2: to be something that these players will be remembered for.

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Speaker 2: Is like the players who killed the All Star Game.

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Speaker 2: Katy's like, this is dramatic. I agree with Katie in

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Speaker 2: that regard. Like, you know what I think about when

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Speaker 2: I think about the NBA, I think about what we

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Speaker 2: saw tonight. I think about what we've seen in this

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Speaker 2: playoff run. I think about the dozens and dozens and

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Speaker 2: dozens of incredible regular season moments that we get every year,

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Speaker 2: crazy games, crazy star performance as game winners, showdowns between rivalries,

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Speaker 2: like that's the stuff that I think about. Like, even

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Speaker 2: when the All Star Game was better, it was pretty

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Speaker 2: far down the list of things that I cared about.

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Speaker 2: And so like the idea that like this is the

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Speaker 2: legacy of this generation, I think, I think is foolishness.

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Speaker 2: I think Adam silver owes it to the league to

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Speaker 2: try a few more ways. But if he backed out

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Speaker 2: and he was just like, look, the All Star Game

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Speaker 2: is the All Star Game, I'm leaving it as I

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Speaker 2: would respect that too. All Right, guys, it's all we

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Speaker 2: have for YouTube tonight. We are headed over to playback.

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Speaker 2: The first thing we do when we get over there

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Speaker 2: is we're rewatching that fourth quarter. So we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: over there, We're gonna watch some film, we'll take some callers,

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Speaker 2: we'll take some questions again at playback dot tv slash

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Speaker 2: Hoops tonight for the YouTube audience. I will be back

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning with a film breakdown. I'm also going to

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Speaker 2: be doing something else on Saturday, but keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on my Twitter feed for that. But tomorrow morning a

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Speaker 2: film breakdown, and then obviously we will be back live

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Speaker 2: after game two on Sunday. I will see you guys then.

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Speaker 3: What's up guys?

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Speaker 2: As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting

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Speaker 2: OOPS tonight. It would actually be really helpful for us

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Speaker 2: if you guys would take a second and leave a

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Speaker 2: rating and a review. As always, I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 2: supporting us, but if you could take a minute to

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Speaker 2: do that, I'd really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: The volume