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Speaker 1: Everybody. Welcome to another edition of Between the Horns. It

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Speaker 1: is Friday, May eighteenth. It is just about four pm

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Speaker 1: Pacific time here in Los Angeles, California. Miles Simmons with

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Speaker 1: me is DeMarco Far. What's up to far? Big day

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Speaker 1: to day? Big day to day. Yeah, deadpool starts. That's

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Speaker 1: not where I thought you were. Golf Big Day. It's

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Speaker 1: a huge day. Yeah all you have it on your shirt.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Legends community. I'm a Legends day. I'm a

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Speaker 1: legend legend. I'm part of the community or a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl champion. Yes, m we're celebrating you all today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys are back. I got to see

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Speaker 1: some teammates from the Super Bowl team from the ninety eighteen,

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Speaker 1: ninety seventeen Jackie Slater walking around, always a treat, hanging

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Speaker 1: out with jack young Blood. Just a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: back in the building, and we got to see them

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Speaker 1: the current Rams practice, or at least this incarnation of

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Speaker 1: in Phase two, seeing some young guys practice. Just just

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Big day. Yeah. I always imagined

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Speaker 1: that this is probably one of the best days of

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Speaker 1: the year for a lot of guys, just because and

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Speaker 1: I think Jackie Slater was saying this. Jack young Blood

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Speaker 1: was saying this when they talked to the media earlier today, Like,

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Speaker 1: you see people that you might not have seen in

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Speaker 1: a very, very very long time, and you went through

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Speaker 1: a lot of things with these guys. Oh yeah, went

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Speaker 1: through the fire. I was just saying this with a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine's significant other that he brought and he

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Speaker 1: this person for the first time. So I said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I think you've done well. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: a great guy. He's he's awesome, and she looks at

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Speaker 1: me and goes, well, he's done well too. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know you yet. I just met you him. I

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Speaker 1: know because I've been through the fire with that guy,

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Speaker 1: training camp, games, the whole nine. So he is one percent.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, just seeing old guys and when you see him,

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Speaker 1: you pick up right where you left off, Like you

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Speaker 1: could not have talked to a guy for you know,

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Speaker 1: five ten. You hate that when it happens because your teammates,

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Speaker 1: but the minute you see him, you pick it right

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Speaker 1: up again, right where you left off. It's awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: anybody that you were particularly excited to see today that

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Speaker 1: you got to see Jay Williams, a guy that I

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Speaker 1: came in with in nineteen ninety four. We're both undrafted

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Speaker 1: rookie free agents. We think we played in a bowl

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Speaker 1: game together, College Bowl Game, the Blue Gray, but we're

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Speaker 1: on opposite side. But we were rookies in Los Angeles together,

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman, same meeting room and nineteen ninety four and

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Speaker 1: we stayed in the same meeting room for seven years.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, seeing him come back, come through the door,

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Speaker 1: and he's very successful now. He was a great football

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Speaker 1: player then, but very successful now. Seeing him come back

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Speaker 1: left off. It's it's just special. Yeah. The other thing

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Speaker 1: that you guys got to do today, I was going

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Speaker 1: to some of the meeting rooms and be with the

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Speaker 1: for your case, particularly the defensive line. Yeah. What was

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Speaker 1: that like? Um, Well, look, I do miss football. I

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Speaker 1: I do. I miss practice because that's where most of

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Speaker 1: your competition really starts and ends. It's right there with

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Speaker 1: football team and then make yourself better and then make

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Speaker 1: your whole team better at the same time. So I

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Speaker 1: miss practice. I do not miss meetings at all, not

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Speaker 1: some other former Rams that were there, you know, listening intently.

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Speaker 1: But I don't miss meetings. Yeah, I mean I kept

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Speaker 1: looking at the clock. Yeah, and in between falling asleep.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the line play. I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: it's it's technical. There's a lot to it. You know this, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll go back and forth. Yes, it's technical. I get it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm either going to hit the A gap or

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Speaker 1: and I, you know, I think you should do that

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Speaker 1: Youngblood is sitting there. Yes, you might want to say hello. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: something interesting and he's he's right. He told his young

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Speaker 1: And he's right, and sitting in that room, it felt

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Speaker 1: then now I'm retired. So but when he said that,

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Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, I'm looking around the room. He's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: All these guys at one point, including me, were young. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I appreciate it while you're there, because

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Speaker 1: it does it goes by in a blank. Yeah, I'm well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean, I just I think it's really

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Speaker 1: that they continue to do it. I think this is

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, there was must have been

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the fifteen year anniversary you guys had, yeah,

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Speaker 1: really good that, you know, don't mention thirty six. No, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it's it was fun to see the guys, but you

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Speaker 1: legends they're all clued into what's going here, going on

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Speaker 1: It's really cool. That's something that I could really tell.

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Speaker 1: what the expectations are now heading into twenty eight Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's I love what you mentioned about where it is.

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Speaker 1: You're still rams. You want this team to do well.

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Speaker 1: to do well. So it's been a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: have been long suffering. We had been long suffering, fans

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Speaker 1: Very cool. I saw Chris Massey, who used to be

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Speaker 1: about Todd Gurley talk about Sean McVay and this offense

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Speaker 1: because I'm excited. We're excited. But when you get those

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Speaker 1: know you've got something going right. Yeah, he did say

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Speaker 1: knew it. I knew it under Sean McVeagh had that

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Speaker 1: been the case, I've heard I've heard this several times,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jack. I wish I could have played in this offense.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wish I could have been here with McVeigh.

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Speaker 1: I've heard this several times today, a number of legendary right. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's any surprise when you have a

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Speaker 1: guy like McVay. Some of them actually have a point,

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Speaker 1: some of them are full of the themselves. I think

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Speaker 1: I won't go there with you, but you did get

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Speaker 1: to ask you about what your impressions were of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know they're going against air. We will

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Speaker 1: definitely have more information about the way guys look probably

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Speaker 1: can you get better? Abs of ricky lutely? That's what

424
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: he strives to do. Yes, yeah, everyone, Todd Gurley can

425
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 1: get better. Ye, Robert Woods can get better. Andrew Whitworth

426
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: can get better. I mean there's a guys that went

427
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 1: to the Proble for the most part. Yes, but they

428
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: can still get better. No one's played a perfect game yet, no. Yeah,

429
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean. You talk to Aaron Donald

430
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: at anytime. That's what he's always talking about, right, That's

431
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: why he's been training with plastic knives. Yeah, so that

432
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 1: he can get better. It's just another tool for him

433
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 1: to try to I'm so glad you brought that up

434
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 1: with the knives and stuff. I don't think we've talked

435
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: about that. People freaked out. People I knew freaked out.

436
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: He's training with knives. The one thing, the first thing

437
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 1: I said was, that's not new. Guys have done this

438
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: for a long time. And the knives aren't real people,

439
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: it's just a training tool. Yeah. Yeah, he's training with knives.

440
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's crazy. Well yeah, but just for

441
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: that reason, Yeah, the knives aren't real. Yeah, there's no

442
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: real danger to himself. Yes, he's just learning. Yeah, it

443
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: keeps the hands away from him, right, Yeah, that's what

444
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: he thinks of an offensive lineman's hands, that they're trying

445
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: to stab him. If I tried to stab you, you'd

446
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: move quickly with you. I would absolutely move quickly. Yeah,

447
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: there's there's the point of why he did that. There,

448
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: I think, no, but I think it's a really smart move. Yeah.

449
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: But look, and that's the interesting thing about Aaron Donald.

450
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, you just think about what he did last year,

451
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: playing in fourteen games, winning Defensive Player of the Year.

452
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: Basically didn't show up until just before they were playing

453
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: the game in week one. I remember that. Still, he

454
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: didn't necessary really look like himself as Aaron Donald. In

455
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: week two, he just looked like a very good football player, right,

456
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, and when you see Aaron Donald and he

457
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: just looks like a very good football player, like, what's that? Right?

458
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: And then as he kept playing, it was like by

459
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 1: the end of the game in week three, when you're

460
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: they're playing in the San Francisco forty nine ers and

461
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: he gets in there and he sacks Brian Hoyer to

462
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: effectively in the game, It's like, oh, okay, he's back, right, yeah,

463
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, the game and a half. Right, So,

464
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: but what he's doing, you know right now, just to

465
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: get it better, get worse. Thing. You know, how he

466
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: trains and everything that is so special. You just want

467
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: to get that out in mini camp OTA's training camp

468
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: and then unleash in week one, right, yeah, imagine what

469
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: the season could have been for him and the football

470
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: team had he started week one. Yeah, just imagine that

471
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: because it was already forty six to nine week one, right,

472
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: I just do remember he looked like a like a

473
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: runaway locomotive without steering. I mean, he was still blowing

474
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: through people. It's just you know, the game was being

475
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: here or there, and he just didn't have his football legs.

476
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: Once he got his football leggs underneath him. I'll forget it.

477
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: You saw it. Yeah. He also didn't necessarily know the

478
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: defense right as well. That was a new scheme for

479
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: everybody last year except for Connor Barwin, right, and so

480
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: it was all about getting people in the right positions.

481
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: And even for Wade Phillips. I mean, you gotta remember,

482
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: they moved Brockers from nose tackle to five technique and

483
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: really realized, Okay, this is where he fits best in

484
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: this defense. Right. You don't have to do any of

485
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: that now. No, I keep forgetting how big he is. Yes,

486
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: he's huge, man, he's eclipse. He blocks a whole lot

487
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: of sun. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He walked by it and

488
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: I shook his hand. I'm like, I can't. You're huge,

489
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: That's all I said. You're just huge. He laughed, Like

490
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: you just now figured that out? DeMarco, Well, I kind

491
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: of knew it seven years, but just wow, just huge.

492
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's potentially a monster de line. It is,

493
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: oh my god, a monster de line. Things go as planned,

494
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: it should absolutely be a monster defense, right, which makes

495
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: the other things, like you said, trying to figure out

496
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: your linebacker spot a little bit more palpable. Yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

497
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: because you also have your secondary figured out in a

498
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: way that is, you know, it should be a hell

499
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: of secondary. Shook a key to Leed's hand today finally

500
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: for the first time, and I apologized. He had no idea,

501
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: but I said, man, if I just judged you from

502
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: what I see on TV, I think you're crazy, I

503
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: would I think I think you're nuts. But you know,

504
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: watching him out at practice, the guy as a leader. Man,

505
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: he's an absolute leader. Yeah, I get it now, Um,

506
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: I get how some people can be misunderstood if you

507
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: just judge him off what you see on football. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

508
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: you might think he's crazy. But watching that guy help

509
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: young guys get better just today was inspired. That's yeah.

510
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: It was very forward to seeing that. Um, you know,

511
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: during the OTA period over the next few weeks, yes,

512
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: you hear about different things, you know, and you go

513
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: over to the facility and you're not really walking practice,

514
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: but you know, from reputation about a key to Lee

515
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: being a leader, I mean that was something that I

516
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: read a lot coming out of Denver, and I remember

517
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: we asked Wade Phillips about it too. Once that trade

518
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: became official, when we could really talk about it, and

519
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: that's something he said too, that Talib is definitely a

520
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: presence in locker room and somebody that you can trust

521
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: to lead by example and by what he knows and

522
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: everything on the field too. So I'm looking forward to

523
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: seeing how that translates. And the fact that he's here

524
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: now during this part of the season, I think speaks

525
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: volumes about him. Yeah yeah, I mean some veterans, other

526
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: squads probably won't be here right now. But to have

527
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: him there lining up when they say first defense and

528
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: we're only talking about phase two right now, first unit

529
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: defense and he trots out there, Yeah, that says a lot.

530
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah that that's the type of stuff that gets the

531
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: ball rolling in the right direction. True, and especially because

532
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Michael Rocker, same deal. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a scheme

533
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: they know and there especially to lead right. Ye want

534
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: a super Bowl playing this game right And now he's here,

535
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: he's helping implement it with a guy like Marcus Peters, Yeah,

536
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: who's younger. It's still one of the best young cornerbacks

537
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: in this league. One of the best cornerbacks in this

538
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: league period. Let's be clear here, And I think having

539
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: that connection and developing that right now is really nice.

540
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: And I saw LaMarcus today. LaMarcus Joiner. Remember when we

541
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: thought he was like this little, small, little nickel type guy.

542
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: He's filled out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a full fledged

543
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: safety now. Yeah, he's got his pro body. He has

544
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: reached his peak, his prime. Yeah. His ability has always

545
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: been there, his instincts great, yes, but now all these

546
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: years of being a pro being in the weight room,

547
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: this is all you do, it's starting to show up

548
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: on his body. Yeah. So he's building that suit of

549
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: armor to play that sort of game every single snap

550
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: for sixteen possibly more. I'm excited to see the duo

551
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: of him and John Johnson at safety, you know, over

552
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: the course of a sixteen game season, especially with John

553
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: Johnson going into his second year. I really like the

554
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: way John a big jump. Yeah, yeah, I like the

555
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: way John Johnson played. We spent a little bit of

556
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: time with him. I'm at the end of February and

557
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: you guys might have seen this on Behind the Grind

558
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: where he was basically working out by himself in Oceanside, California,

559
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: down there near San Diego, and basically what he was

560
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: saying is that, you know, he learned a lot in

561
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: his first year and there were times where he wasn't

562
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: quite comfortable. But now that he's been through all of that,

563
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: he's feeling like, Okay, I understand what it is that

564
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And I think he could see a pretty

565
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: big jump between year one year oh, no doubt. I

566
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: mean sometimes with young safeties, they're trying to do everything

567
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: right not make a mistake, and they don't realize they're

568
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: the read point. They're telling that quarterback everything they need

569
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: to know about coverage by the way they're standing where

570
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: they are. I mean sometimes they're actually standing where they

571
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: need to stand, but other guys are playing games with coverage,

572
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: trying to disguise. But he's telling you everything they need

573
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: to know. So I mean that's big from year one

574
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: the year two. Now you can recognize, hey, when they

575
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: were attacking me, not four plays later. Yeah, they're coming

576
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: after me or some tips to play. I've seen this

577
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: play before. I know what they want to do in

578
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: this situation here, and it seems like you got faster.

579
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: You're just reacting faster, You're just in the play faster.

580
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: So that's why I said big jump. As long as

581
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: he keeps going in the same direction, I mean, really

582
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: trying to prepare himself not only to be a starter,

583
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: but be the best safety on the football team, which

584
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: is going to be tough. I think he's going to

585
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: be fine and healthwise he's going to be fine. Yeah. Absolutely.

586
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these rookie Yeah. I don't

587
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: know how much you got to see of the rookies today.

588
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: I did. I saw some of the d tackles. I

589
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: was ready to go. Where's my sheet? Go ahead? Yeah,

590
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm ready, go ahead. No good, I'm not trying to

591
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: like make you like fe crazy over here. No. I

592
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: took notes. Yeah, some of the veteran guys, the legends

593
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: were giving me like heat because I was taking notes.

594
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: You're doing your job, That's what I said. That's exactly

595
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: what I said, Right, you mean, what do you mean? Yeah?

596
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm having fun, but part of this is work. Two guys, right, Um? No, Well,

597
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: what were what were your impressions? Who stood out to you? Well?

598
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: Justin Lawler is a guy I had my eye on.

599
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Jonathan Franklin Myers is a guy. Yeah. Yeah, there's potential there. Yeah, yeah,

600
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: there's some serious potential there. I see it. I see

601
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: what he could possibly be if he could make it

602
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: through this process. There's no guarantees. But if he can

603
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: make it through this process, I get it. That's a

604
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: big dude that can move. He is a big dude.

605
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen him on the field as you have,

606
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: but just getting to talk to him a couple of

607
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: times this week. We were in the locker room when

608
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: he was when he first got there on Monday, and

609
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: he gets to see his locker and you know, going

610
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: through it, and you know, one of the things that

611
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: stood out to he said, you know, I was in

612
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Texas when I got drafted, and I've been there in

613
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: the last two weeks, and I'm trying to find some

614
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: rams gears and there's no rams gear in Texas where

615
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: in my family and I are. Yeah, So he was saying,

616
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, just being in this locker room and seeing

617
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: this for the first time, that's really starting to feel real.

618
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com get anything you want. Well, I'm just

619
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: saying just saying, you know you're trying. Doesn't Amazon delivered

620
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: everywhere Amazon does? Isn't there a drone that drop a

621
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: jersey on you or something? Drones or yeah? The real

622
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: thing now with Amazon, I actually no I saw a

623
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: drone or a robot that can jump and run. The

624
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: robot overlords are too much. It's scary. The Boston Dynamics,

625
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: you were, yes, that's the one. It was, Yes, it

626
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: can run and jumping robot dogs that like one was

627
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: opening a door and then they were like letting the

628
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: one through. Skynett is coming. It's a little too much Skynet.

629
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: But Franklin Myers, I think he's he's such an interesting

630
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: guy and an interesting story because you know he went

631
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: winless in high school as a football player. Or for

632
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: what school did you go to? Oh my god, oh

633
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: and forty. Yeah you didn't know this, huh. I would

634
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: draft him just for that if you made it through that.

635
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: He made it through that in you know, I was

636
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: asking him about it in our sitty. Do you get

637
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: recruit it off in forty That's what he was saying.

638
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, like some teams literally told him, you know,

639
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 1: you couldn't help these guys win a game. How are

640
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: you gonna help us win one in college? That's a

641
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: fair question, it is. And he said, he said, I

642
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: understand it now. At the time like it ticked me off, Yeah,

643
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: but now you know, like I get it right. That's

644
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: what happened, and then you know, it goes to Stephen f.

645
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Austin does well and he ends up as a fourth

646
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: round pick for the La Rams and that Oh my god. Yeah,

647
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean I never I would never quit anything, but

648
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: my good. I know we'll ask you because I'm like,

649
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, you know that many losses in a

650
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: row is a lot. That's all of them, I know.

651
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, why get close? I didn't ask me.

652
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: If you get close, people get we're gonna have did

653
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: you get close to winning a game? When we get well,

654
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get him, Like in an interviewer

655
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: on of the podcast, we'll have to go that. You know,

656
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: like I don't feel great about asking somebody about Oh

657
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: let me ask him. I got a bunch of Owen

658
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: forty questions. Oh my god, forty wow. I just I mean,

659
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: because why would you at some point? Why do you

660
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: stick with football? You love it exactly? And you know

661
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: that's what McVay has been saying about all kinds of

662
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: stuff this offseason, whether it's Marcus Peters, Gip lead, Donkins, Sue,

663
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, get the character so called questions. I say, forty,

664
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: how many head coaches. I don't please, don't be one

665
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: just one guy. You let a guy go owen forty

666
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Come on, now, hey man, the Browns. Let somebody go

667
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: one and thirty one. Okay, fair enough, that's one, one

668
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: and thirty still better than oh and forty sixteen? Correctly

669
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: halfway there? Do you have letterman jackets? Are you telling me?

670
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: What was that? Did you have more than fifteen guys?

671
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: Football was away from him to like get him out

672
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: of trouble. I that loves the game, Okay, he's really

673
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: passionate about the game, and he feels like it's given

674
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: him so much and that now that he's here, it's

675
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: it's only the beginning for him, is what he's saying.

676
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: And so I like that you said he stands out

677
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: to you because that that makes me feel better about

678
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: doing an interview with the guy. Yeah, you really like

679
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: the guy from the interview. But now mind you, Now

680
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: most of the guys aren't here, like the guys in

681
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: the defensive line meeting room, So he's getting a lot

682
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: of video. I see it. It stands out now he's

683
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: going to have to do the same thing when Donald

684
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Sue and everyone else shows up easily shows up but

685
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: I could see the future, or if he could, like

686
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: I said, if he can make it through this process

687
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: and keep getting better every single day and deal with

688
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: the physical and the mental which is not going to

689
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: be easy, and then when you start playing games, when

690
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: you actually start getting graded, if you can make it

691
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: through that process and get a year under your belt

692
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: and then your first offseason and then moving to year two, Yeah,

693
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I can see it. Yeah. Yeah, eventually we're gonna be

694
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: talking about him a lot. Yes, yeah, yeah. So he's

695
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: one guy that I that that stood out from my interviews.

696
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Who else did Sea Bass, Sebastian Joseph Gray is a

697
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: day or Gray Day day a day? Another huge dude?

698
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, very big large. Um. I like that when

699
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: you draft for size um and you can train him

700
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: to be a certain type in your defense. So when

701
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: you talk about true nose tackles UM and guys like that,

702
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: when you see his lower half, I get it. Well,

703
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: that's something that I feel like the Rams kind of

704
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: lacked in twenty seventeen, that pure nose tackle kind of guy.

705
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: They rotated some people through that, right, Yeah, they didn't

706
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: smart started a few games? Um did Tyrn Walker Walker,

707
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: Ethan Westbrooks. Yeah, it was that kind of guy at

708
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: the end there too, So that's something that they're just

709
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: they've had to find that position. Oh yeah, yeah, I

710
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: mean we shop at the same store for pants. Yeah yeah, yeah.

711
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean his are a little longer, but the width

712
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: is still the same. That's but that's what you the wayside. Yeah,

713
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean now watching him get better and watching and

714
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: listening to Bill Johnson coach him on this. You know,

715
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: as of right now, he's he's helping you along. But

716
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, at some point coaching is going to flip

717
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: a switch because September is getting closer. Yeah, So I

718
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't say you're being babied, you're just being eased along.

719
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: But once you start actually getting everyone together and you

720
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: start competing, it's going to change. And that's one of

721
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the things that McVay said that is the goal for

722
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: the rookies right now. I mean, this is their first week.

723
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: The Rams did not have a traditional rookie mini camp.

724
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: So when you're talking about the rookies, they're they're trying

725
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: to ease them in, I guess is the best word

726
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: for it, you know, so that you're not overwhelming them

727
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: completely because I think it was John Kelly who said

728
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: this to us, and when we were doing a sit

729
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: down interview with him, he said, basically, McVay told us

730
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: that we're a year and a half behind almost you're

731
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: in five days behind basically because really, well, because everybody

732
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: else in that building, especially in the offensive, they know

733
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: the system. Okay, you're not teaching the system and getting

734
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: right now, you know, you're trying to you're tweaking, improving.

735
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, and so that for a rookie, I

736
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: would imagine could be a little bit overwhelming, right, you know,

737
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: it's like going into a three thousand level class in

738
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: college when you've not been to a one or two

739
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: thousand level class at all. Has that happened to you?

740
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Uh no, fortunately it happened to me. Yeah. Yeah, really hard.

741
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: It was really it was different. The other students were

742
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 1: on a different level. I was still like having fun.

743
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: This is my i think my second year in college. Yeah,

744
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: so I was still in the dorms having fun. These

745
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: were upper classmen. Yeah, these are people getting ready to

746
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: go into the workforce. Yeah, it's a little bit different. Yeah. Yeah,

747
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: so this the subject matter I can handle. Yeah, I

748
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: mean you can handle it. You're you're in college. But

749
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: just my maturity level at that time, it wasn't right

750
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: for that level of course, if that makes any sense,

751
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: it does, I think. But for me, my one experience

752
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: with something like that was my sophomore year high school

753
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: taking algebra two honors, and it was the subject matter,

754
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Like I just it was really hard, the math, the

755
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: math aspect of it. That's why I've not taken a

756
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: math class since I was eighteen in high school. It's intimidating, right,

757
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot. Yeah, and I probably

758
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: would have done much better just being in regular Algaba two.

759
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't think. The next year I was in regular

760
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: advanced math or whatever the heck we called it back then,

761
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: and I did great in advanced math. Is that non algebra?

762
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: It was algebra, but there was also triggering other stuff. Okay, yeah, yeah,

763
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: and there I don't know, I killed that nice. Yeah.

764
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I never finished a geometry test last. I was always first. Okay,

765
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: that's a horrible thing. Why am I done before anyone else? Yeah,

766
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: this was a great geometry. Oh my god, wasn't a

767
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of honors math classes. That doesn't make sense. I

768
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: started to get a lot better. Beer makes geometry easier.

769
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: I hear. That's it. Yeah, that's what that's what they say.

770
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I won't tell that to my few child they're in

771
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: high school. Um anyway, So other first impressions from guys, uh,

772
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: just I mean cool watching the guys get together. I mean,

773
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean they're coaching it up. And as a rule

774
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: of thumb, usually if you start an offense and a

775
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: defense at the same time, just say they're all learning

776
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: both learning a new offense new defense. The defense is

777
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: going to be ahead of the offense. Because of the

778
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: simplicity of the scheme. Sure the playbook is going to

779
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: be thinner than the offense. Yes, So being behind the

780
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: offense right now, that's not going to rattle anybody by

781
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: training camp. It could be the opposite, even with a

782
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: group like you said that knows the offense. Um. It's

783
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of putting the pieces in place

784
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: and then starting to rep the defense over and over again.

785
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: I think, and I think it's going to be easier

786
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: to put the pieces in place this year than it

787
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: was last year because of the experience that you have,

788
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, in playing guys in games. You know, like

789
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: you have experience and tape of your outside guys like

790
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: a Morgan Fox, maybe not in that position, but Samson

791
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Abucome to that long acre, even Corey Littleton and Bryce Hagar. Right,

792
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: there's enough, Yeah, a lot. There's enough there right here,

793
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, so aside from Mark Baron as well at

794
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: that linebacker, there's enough there. There's enough reps there from

795
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: guys that are in the room that are expected to play,

796
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, to be major contributors. There's enough there to say, Okay,

797
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: we're we know the scheme, we can hit the ground running.

798
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: But for some other guys, there's going to be a

799
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: lot of new learning, a lot of new learning. Yeah.

800
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: He used to be there now you're here. Used to yeah,

801
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: used to rush, now you're dropping. Yeah. Yeah, it's a

802
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: little bit different. It is a little bit different. Um.

803
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: One other guy I do want to bring up, it's

804
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: John Kelly running back. Yeah. Yeah, because we got a

805
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: chance to talk to him too, and I love his personality.

806
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: I think he's a really fun guy. Um, but his

807
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: attitude toward the game is another one of those guys whords. Okay,

808
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: it's very clear that you love football. And he's not

809
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: an owing forty guy, is he. No, he's also okay,

810
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: he won a few games in high school. Yes, okay,

811
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: thank god, Okay, port he's good. Yeah. Yeah. You can't

812
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: really get over that, can you can? You know? Listen,

813
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I covered an O and ten team at Columbia in

814
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: college and it was dreadful. Yeah yeah, times four, seventeen

815
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: and twenty games I covered as a beat. Right, let's

816
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: not even talk about that. Okay, it was very bad.

817
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: Kelly the running back, Kelly the running back. Um, No.

818
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: I like his personality and I like his attitude, and

819
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to be a player that

820
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: can come in and maybe bring a little bit of

821
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: a different dynamic to that running back room. I mean,

822
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: you've got Todd Gurley who it's gonna take a lot

823
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: to get him off the field, let's be clear about that.

824
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's that's something McVay said the

825
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: other day, um, when somebody asked him about it, um

826
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: and John Kelly and you know, will he be on

827
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: the field more and whatnot? With that takeaway from Todd

828
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: snaps and basically McVeigh was like, Todd's gonna have to

829
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: be really, really really tired in order to come off.

830
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: And that's getting better. Yes, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's getting

831
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot better. Um. They also Malcolm Brown, who

832
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: is not necessarily of the mold of a Todd Gurley

833
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: because Todd Gurley is so special. But I think we

834
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: saw last year that in some limited snaps Malcolm Brown

835
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: can be effective. What would have happened if he didn't

836
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: get hurt last year, I don't know. Yeah, if he

837
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt last year, I think, well, his career

838
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: as a whole lot last year is different for him completely.

839
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: But yes, we know what his ability is. I mean,

840
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: he is going to run the whole and he's gonna

841
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: run it hard, right. Yeah. When healthy, he can make

842
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: guys bounce off him. So when compromise a little bit different.

843
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: So I'm glad he's actually, you know, on the men

844
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: and has a chance to be healthy. But there's going

845
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: to be competition for those backup roles exactly. Yeah, a

846
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: lot of competition when you have somebody like a John

847
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: Kelly who led his team in both receiving yards and

848
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: rushing yards. That is something that excuse me. He led

849
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: the team in receptions and also in rushing yards. He

850
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: catches and rushing yards. To make sure I get that right,

851
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: That means he was playing with No, I'm kidding. Yeah,

852
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: if he's lea didn't catch his n rushing yards, you're

853
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: the entire team. Do you want to say that about

854
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley last year? No? Never mind, you're right, yeah,

855
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, but he was playing at Tennessee. And

856
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, if you watched any of Tennessee's football games,

857
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: which I did, then we know that that was a

858
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: different story. Tennessee's coach got dismissed. The Rams coach did not.

859
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: So well, here we go. You're pointing at me like

860
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: you're you're agreeing with my Yes, I agree with this point, right, okay,

861
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: this time? Very good? Points are always good? What are

862
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: you talking about? Why are you insecure about your points?

863
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: You make great points. I'm not insecure about my You're

864
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: always insecure about your points, am I? Yeah you are

865
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: because I didn't play and you play. You did play.

866
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: I played high school, you played ball, you know football?

867
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Good gosh, I'd like to think that I do. Thank you. See,

868
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: I'd like to think there was the insecurity right there.

869
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: That's why my voice that sounds like nails on a chalkboard.

870
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Who said that? Who told you that? That's not true.

871
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: Thanks yes for like glass breaking, but there's only so

872
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: much that we can do about right genetics. But the

873
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make about John Kelly is that

874
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: I think that he can be a good dynamic presence

875
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: on this offense if he proves that he can secure

876
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: the football and then he knows the play. Look, not

877
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: every player can take every single rep in a game.

878
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Not every receiver is going to take every single rep.

879
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: Running backs too, I think the only guy that might

880
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: do that, or the offensive line on the quarterback. So

881
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: there's going to be opportunities. And if you have some

882
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: sort of skill set and that they can use. Meeting

883
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: Sean McVay and the offense, if they can use, believe me,

884
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: they're going to find a way to get it into

885
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: the offense. Yes. Yeah, it's not just about getting certain

886
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: guys into the end zone. It's about getting the ball

887
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: into the end zone period. Yeah. So if you can help,

888
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: if you've got something that can help this football team,

889
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: do exactly that, and I guarantee it, you're going to

890
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: be out there. We not me. And that was something

891
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: that stood out to me too about the guys we

892
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: talked to. They you can tell that McVeigh is beating this.

893
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: We not me, the daily improvement, daily excellence thing, because

894
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: the young guys repairting it already, yeah, in in our interviews.

895
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's interesting. Back way back when this is

896
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: way back when I was playing, the Raiders had a

897
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: situation where they had a leading rusher, um, a guy

898
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: that would He was leading in the attempts, leading in

899
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: rushing yards, but I think he was third on the

900
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: team in touchdowns. Every time they got to the goal

901
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: line they put another guy in. He would score all

902
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: the touchdowns. Yeah, I mean that's what the Steelers did.

903
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Um was itshard Mendenhall and Jerome. Yes, yeah, the bus

904
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: would finish it. Yes, the bus would finish. Now, that's true,

905
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: We not me. Yeah, that can't be an ego thing.

906
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: It's about the Steelers scoring, not about this guy scoring

907
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: for the Steelers. Yeah. I think that's the mentality here. Yes, yeah. Um,

908
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: A couple of things before we get out of here. First,

909
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: Chuck Knox passed away. Yeah, former Rams head coach, he

910
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: was your first yea in the league. We can beat

911
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: these people now, I can still remember his his his team.

912
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: We can beat these people now. Yeah, we gotta shopping

913
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: up them elbows. We gotta shopping him up. We gotta

914
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: get back to back. Oh yeah, he was great. I

915
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: miss him. Yeah, yelled at me, screamed at me. I

916
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: didn't make a play because look, I was undrafted to

917
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: this football team. They thought I was too short to play.

918
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: He was one of the people that thought I was

919
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: too short to play. And I had some people that

920
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: were in my corner. Just give him a shot and

921
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: the rest is history. So finally I make my debut

922
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: against the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm in the game. So

923
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: I went in there and I think I made a

924
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: tackle in like five plays, just one tackle. But I

925
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: didn't make a big play happen. So I'm running off

926
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: the field happy. I'm playing against Joe Montana and that

927
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: was Marcus Allen. I just I didn't screw it up.

928
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: He's screaming at me from the sidelines. When you get

929
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: in there, you make something happen. And I'm looking like,

930
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: who's he talking to me? He's like you, when you

931
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: get in the game, you make something happen. I'm like, okay, yeah, sir,

932
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: he just talked to me. The head coach just spoke

933
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: to me. I'm gonna sit down now it was just weird.

934
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. That whole year in

935
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four was an eye opening experience. Um, I

936
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: wish we could have got more wins for him. Yeah yeah,

937
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: because obviously the next year everything changed. Yes. Yeah, that

938
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: was my first experience of you know, seeing a head

939
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL and then seeing a head coach

940
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: get fired and replaced. Yeah, so that that was an

941
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: eye opener, all within the first sixteen months of being

942
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: a pro. Yeah yeah. And you also so a franchise move,

943
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: all within the first sixteen months of being a pro. Yeah,

944
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: it was eye opening. But yes, um, well respected a

945
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: legend going to be missed, you know ground chuck Uh Yeah.

946
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: A lot of guys owe their careers to him, and

947
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: we definitely pass on our sincere condolencence to his family.

948
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: Last thing, on a much lighter note, we can beat

949
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: these people. No, I'll never forget that we can beat

950
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: these people. Yeah, Well, much alive in that here. As

951
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: we close, there have been some ketchup things that have

952
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: shown up on Ketchup. Yeah, ketchup like as in the condiment,

953
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: as in the condiment. Okay, first of all, I thought

954
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna give me the Yanni versus Laurel? Which one

955
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: did you hear? I hear Laurel? Who do you hear?

956
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: I hear Laurel? Thank god? It says Laurel. I don't know, okay,

957
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: thank you. It's coming from the vocabulary dot com pronunciation

958
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: of Laurel. So I don't know how people are hearing.

959
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: How are you hearing out of Laurel? Yeah? But my

960
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: mother even said that she was hearing Yanni, and I

961
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about. I've listened to

962
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: that thing like a hundred times. It says Laurel. I

963
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: hear Laura, okay, every single time. But the other thing

964
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: that's been weird this week, um ketchup on tacos. Yes, no, no,

965
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: absolutely not. That's what I would say too, spicy grundbee

966
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: for whatever with ketchup. No, it doesn't make any sense,

967
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: no does it? No? No, no, it definitely does not,

968
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: not at all, not even for like a fish taco. No.

969
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I would not put it on a fish. You can't

970
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: put it on like a carnetas can't put it on No,

971
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: why would chicken tacot? No? We can ask Scarry Champion

972
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: of ESPN. That's where I first saw this where she

973
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: say she puts ketchup on don't put ketchup on your

974
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: tact not even close. Yeah. She then she claimed it

975
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: was a callie thing. The funniest part was that Jamal

976
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Hill then tweeted her back and was like nine one one, Yes,

977
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: I would like to report an emergency because she wants

978
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: to put catch up butter tacos. Wow, she put a

979
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: meme with it. It was funnier. Okay it no, no,

980
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: no ketchup on toc So there is now apparently something

981
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: called Ketchup ice cream. I read this. Yes, I love ketchup,

982
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: not that much. I can't really understand like how that

983
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: would work. It tastes like ketchup, but it's ice cream.

984
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I don't think I would ever want. No, like,

985
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: ketchup belongs on French fries, right burgers and things like

986
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: where do you put not hot dogs? Okay, there we disagree.

987
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: You can put the ketchup on a hot dog? No mustard,

988
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: Ketchup relish, that's my hot dog? What's wrong with that?

989
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Ketchups does not belong on who says? Where does that

990
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: come from? It comes from Chicago? Really okay, it's it's

991
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: a thing. People say that you shouldn't put ketchup on

992
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: hot dogs, like after the age of ten or eleven,

993
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: because it's a kid thing to do. Okay, fair enough,

994
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: I do catch up mustard relish. That's the way I've

995
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: always made my hot dogs. Okay, that's the way I've

996
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: always thank you, but with mustard sour kraut. I guess

997
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: I have no shame, but I just never on not

998
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: ketchup ice cream and not on tacos. Yeah, well, do

999
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: where do you put your ketchup? In the in the

1000
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: in the cabinet or the fridge. In the fridge Okay,

1001
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: it says on the label put it in the fridge.

1002
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: I do too, But when I use it, or I'm

1003
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: gonna use it, I take it out first because I

1004
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: don't want it to be cold. Yes, thank you, so

1005
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: very smart. Ketchup ice cream is a no. I don't

1006
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: even like cold ketchups. That's yeah. I like the way

1007
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: you just went about yeah, hypothesis, it's right in that way,

1008
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: all right, Any parting shots a great day. Um. It's

1009
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: always an honor, uh you know, to be a RAM

1010
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: in particular, but to be a part of the Legends community.

1011
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Eversgerd and the rest of the group

1012
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: do a great job getting wrangling, getting everybody together. Shout

1013
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: out to Kyle. Special weekend for all the guys coming back. Um,

1014
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: we're just getting closer, man, September is coming, it is. Yeah,

1015
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: we're getting closer. Monday Night football, closer and closer. Yes,

1016
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: all right, well, hey everybody, thanks so much for tuning

1017
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: into this edition of Between the Horns for DeMarco far

1018
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: Miles Simmons, Lewis