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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hello there and welcome back, or welcome for the first time.

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Speaker 1: You have found the most interesting podcast on the planet.

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Speaker 1: It's the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci

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Speaker 1: and of course Joe Madden.

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Speaker 2: Joe.

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Speaker 1: This is the international edition of the Book of Joe Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Considering I just got off a plane from London over

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Speaker 1: there for the London series between the Mets and the Phillies,

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Speaker 1: and there's some international baseball experience I know you've experienced.

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Speaker 1: I want to get into that into a minute, but

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Speaker 1: I want to get your take Joe first of all,

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Speaker 1: on Major League Baseball playing these games outside the continental US.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he caught any of the London series,

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Speaker 1: but obviously this is a third time they've been over there.

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Speaker 1: They played games in Mexico City, Japan, Korea. As a

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Speaker 1: baseball guy, do you sign up with enthusiasm for these trips.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really liked the idea. Actually, you know, you're right.

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Speaker 3: I've been different countries to do clinics, never with the

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Speaker 4: But I like it.

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Speaker 3: It could be painted a butt no question, Like when

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Speaker 3: they broke camp and they had to go all the

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Speaker 3: travel and how it's going to affect you for a

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Speaker 3: couple of days afterwards, and that's part of it. And

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Speaker 3: then the same thing just flip flopping over to England

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Speaker 3: and back. However, I mean for me culturally, I just

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Speaker 3: you know something I really would enjoy and love to

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Speaker 3: meet the different groups, different people, expanding our footprint, regarding

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Speaker 3: spreading the gospel of the game, all that kind of

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Speaker 4: I like that. I like that a lot.

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Speaker 3: Actually, So, as you alluded to, I've clinically done that

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Speaker 3: years ago. I've always wanted to be part of the

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Speaker 3: Barcelona Anythings whatever, you could call them the Barcelona Anything,

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Speaker 3: So I'll go there. I'd be happy to observe those

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Speaker 3: plane rights. So I think it's kind of cool. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how much of a success it's being deemed

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Speaker 3: the concept.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into future stopping off points on the

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Speaker 1: has been successful for that very reason you talked about

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Speaker 1: just exposing the game to other people. Listen, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to get a foothold in England when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Major League Baseball. There's one dedicated baseball complex there.

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Speaker 1: You are not supplanting football as they call it, soccer

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Speaker 2: It's just not happening.

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Speaker 1: But you can expose people to the game and maybe

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Speaker 1: virtually they follow online. Now the world is somewhat smaller,

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Speaker 1: they become fans to some extent, or the expats that

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Speaker 2: I could just tell you being over there, there was

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Speaker 1: There was a pep rally, so to speak, on a

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Speaker 2: And it's pretty amazing how they do it, Joe. They've

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Speaker 1: Pat Murray Cook is like the Czar of Fields from

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball because they set up fields everywhere, you know,

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Speaker 3: Again, I cannot agree more. I did clinics in England,

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Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of baseball exposure there more

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Speaker 3: don't know how many are being totally absorbed into that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many other cultural components of that country,

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Speaker 3: So I don't see it grabbing a foothold other than

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Speaker 1: Let me give you, because it's very interesting. Here a

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Speaker 1: quick history of baseball in England. Yeah, okay, and wonder

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Speaker 1: want you to imagine, Joe, if you were on one

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Speaker 1: The first one was one hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 3: I don't see, you know, a lot of cricket happening

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Speaker 2: The next tour was in eighteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: Al Spaulding took a group over there, and I think

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Speaker 1: big one, Joe, was one hundred and ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: I think you would like this trip that we're going

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Speaker 2: Of the Chelsea Football Club.

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Speaker 1: It's been around, believe it or not since eighteen seventy

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, Joe, because after this

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Speaker 2: Should baseball go next?

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, Joe, you mentioned places in Europe where

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Speaker 1: Germany has a really good league over there. Mike Piazza

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Speaker 1: I could see that happening, and I can tell you,

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Speaker 3: American baseball players in the past, whether it was the

440
00:20:48,318 --> 00:20:51,238
Speaker 3: Majo Riszutto and you go up to piats right now,

441
00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:54,798
Speaker 3: So you have that you have that connection there by

442
00:20:54,798 --> 00:20:57,638
Speaker 3: the fact that a lot of their relatives in a

443
00:20:57,718 --> 00:21:00,558
Speaker 3: sense have been very successful playing the game in the

444
00:21:00,638 --> 00:21:03,038
Speaker 3: United States. So when I was there, some of the

445
00:21:03,118 --> 00:21:05,798
Speaker 3: kids really had an actions. That's what I was referring

446
00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:08,758
Speaker 3: to before. Remember a little left tended kid, pitcher thrower,

447
00:21:09,238 --> 00:21:11,318
Speaker 3: not very big, but he was like eight or nine

448
00:21:11,478 --> 00:21:14,718
Speaker 3: and really had the body moved right. The body moved

449
00:21:14,798 --> 00:21:16,838
Speaker 3: right when he went to throw. The stroke was good.

450
00:21:17,398 --> 00:21:19,358
Speaker 3: Things like that, And I conduct like a week's worth

451
00:21:19,398 --> 00:21:21,758
Speaker 3: of clinics was during the winter time in a gym

452
00:21:21,998 --> 00:21:24,718
Speaker 3: in the city of Row there Florence. Is just you

453
00:21:24,758 --> 00:21:28,278
Speaker 3: sit down in a hotel and a bunch of coaches

454
00:21:28,278 --> 00:21:30,238
Speaker 3: from over the country show up and you talk to

455
00:21:30,278 --> 00:21:32,998
Speaker 3: them about baseball and different It was like a nine

456
00:21:33,078 --> 00:21:36,198
Speaker 3: topic nine one hour topics within three and a half

457
00:21:36,238 --> 00:21:38,278
Speaker 3: two and a half days kind of anything. So you're

458
00:21:38,278 --> 00:21:40,198
Speaker 3: trying to bring the game to them that way, teaching

459
00:21:40,238 --> 00:21:43,038
Speaker 3: them how to coach the players. You're coaching the coaches

460
00:21:43,078 --> 00:21:45,598
Speaker 3: to coach the players. There was a lot of interest.

461
00:21:45,678 --> 00:21:49,918
Speaker 3: So Italy to me had the greatest foothold regarding really

462
00:21:49,958 --> 00:21:52,358
Speaker 3: liking the game and wanting to play the game better

463
00:21:52,438 --> 00:21:52,918
Speaker 3: and more.

464
00:21:53,318 --> 00:21:54,838
Speaker 4: I thought they were number one with that.

465
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Speaker 3: And then, of course, like I said, the Netherlands, you

466
00:21:57,798 --> 00:22:01,358
Speaker 3: know the Dutch people there, that there's such a bright

467
00:22:01,438 --> 00:22:02,238
Speaker 3: group of people.

468
00:22:02,278 --> 00:22:03,998
Speaker 4: They I didn't know.

469
00:22:04,038 --> 00:22:06,598
Speaker 3: Interpreter necessary there. You do your clinic, you just talk

470
00:22:06,678 --> 00:22:08,798
Speaker 3: English and you speak. It's all I could do. And

471
00:22:09,438 --> 00:22:11,918
Speaker 3: they didn't need an interpreter to understand everything you were saying,

472
00:22:11,918 --> 00:22:14,838
Speaker 3: whereas in the other countries they did. So I thought

473
00:22:14,838 --> 00:22:16,438
Speaker 3: that they had that going on. Like I said, they

474
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Speaker 3: have a hall of fame there. Mister Bill Arci was

475
00:22:19,158 --> 00:22:22,438
Speaker 3: no longer with us. He was really instrumental in ringing

476
00:22:22,478 --> 00:22:25,398
Speaker 3: the game even the China and Asia. Back in right

477
00:22:25,438 --> 00:22:27,958
Speaker 3: after post World War Two. He was a Stanford guy,

478
00:22:27,998 --> 00:22:32,158
Speaker 3: went athletic director at Claremont Colleges in southern California. He

479
00:22:32,238 --> 00:22:34,878
Speaker 3: introduced me to all this stuff and wow, I was

480
00:22:34,958 --> 00:22:37,478
Speaker 3: My eyes are open and I loved every second of it.

481
00:22:37,838 --> 00:22:40,238
Speaker 3: So in my opinion, I mean, if you really want

482
00:22:40,278 --> 00:22:42,958
Speaker 3: to go to places where the game is understood, which

483
00:22:42,998 --> 00:22:45,478
Speaker 3: I think matters, isn't it. I mean, just like we

484
00:22:45,518 --> 00:22:50,278
Speaker 3: don't understand cricket, soccer is soccer, but baseball has some

485
00:22:50,398 --> 00:22:55,678
Speaker 3: kind of background in both the Netherlands and in Italy,

486
00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:58,358
Speaker 3: and I understand where I think that the Italians. Italy

487
00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:02,358
Speaker 3: might have a stronger draw regarding the overall if you

488
00:23:02,398 --> 00:23:04,998
Speaker 3: talk about the footprint with the reaching component of that

489
00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:09,078
Speaker 3: playing there is probably greater than the Netherlands. But god,

490
00:23:09,158 --> 00:23:11,558
Speaker 3: I would research both of those places because you have

491
00:23:11,718 --> 00:23:14,318
Speaker 3: people that really like the game, you have kids wanting

492
00:23:14,358 --> 00:23:16,838
Speaker 3: to play the game. And the next one would be Germany.

493
00:23:16,918 --> 00:23:19,118
Speaker 3: I did clinics in Regensburg, Germany. They had a nice

494
00:23:19,158 --> 00:23:21,878
Speaker 3: baseball field there. It was not, of course, not major

495
00:23:21,958 --> 00:23:24,918
Speaker 3: league standards, but they were really starting to get into

496
00:23:24,958 --> 00:23:27,278
Speaker 3: it also, So that would be my big pick. I

497
00:23:27,278 --> 00:23:30,678
Speaker 3: would And like I said earlier, I would love Gosh.

498
00:23:30,438 --> 00:23:31,478
Speaker 4: I love Spain.

499
00:23:32,438 --> 00:23:35,118
Speaker 3: I don't know to what extent the interest is there,

500
00:23:35,118 --> 00:23:36,918
Speaker 3: because I never had a chance to do clinics there.

501
00:23:36,958 --> 00:23:40,878
Speaker 3: But Rome Italy number one and for me the Netherlands

502
00:23:40,958 --> 00:23:41,358
Speaker 3: number two.

503
00:23:41,718 --> 00:23:44,118
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of those ballparks in Italy popped up,

504
00:23:44,158 --> 00:23:46,758
Speaker 1: you know, after the war. The American gi has introduced

505
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,798
Speaker 1: the game of baseball and it really took off. I mean,

506
00:23:50,038 --> 00:23:52,518
Speaker 1: certainly not to the extent that soccer is there as well,

507
00:23:52,558 --> 00:23:56,438
Speaker 1: But I agree that's got potential there. Now, an interesting

508
00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:58,358
Speaker 1: idea some of the players and the Mets and Phillies

509
00:23:58,398 --> 00:24:00,598
Speaker 1: came up with, and I think Francisco Lindor the Mets,

510
00:24:00,678 --> 00:24:02,958
Speaker 1: was one of these guys you brought it up, is

511
00:24:03,038 --> 00:24:05,558
Speaker 1: to play more games when they go over to London.

512
00:24:05,958 --> 00:24:08,278
Speaker 1: You know, they felt like with two days off before

513
00:24:08,358 --> 00:24:10,758
Speaker 1: one day after, they went a long way to play

514
00:24:10,878 --> 00:24:14,398
Speaker 1: two games very quickly. And the idea is, let's play

515
00:24:14,478 --> 00:24:17,598
Speaker 1: more games. Go over there and maybe what you do, Joe,

516
00:24:17,758 --> 00:24:20,598
Speaker 1: is you bring four teams over and you play sort

517
00:24:20,638 --> 00:24:23,718
Speaker 1: of a round robin tournament. Now, I know Baseball looked

518
00:24:23,758 --> 00:24:27,038
Speaker 1: into the idea of having a week of games over there,

519
00:24:27,158 --> 00:24:28,998
Speaker 1: and they were a little bit concerned that they would

520
00:24:29,078 --> 00:24:31,678
Speaker 1: not be able to sell out an entire week of games.

521
00:24:31,718 --> 00:24:33,918
Speaker 1: The two games did sell out, the hold fifty five

522
00:24:33,958 --> 00:24:38,638
Speaker 1: thousand at London Stadium. But the idea that the players think,

523
00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:41,638
Speaker 1: when we go over there, let's make it worth our

524
00:24:41,678 --> 00:24:44,518
Speaker 1: while and play more games. I think that's a positive sign.

525
00:24:44,638 --> 00:24:46,638
Speaker 1: I think that's an indication of how well the players

526
00:24:46,678 --> 00:24:49,278
Speaker 1: regard these trips. And I think that's a pretty good

527
00:24:49,478 --> 00:24:52,238
Speaker 1: idea to bring four teams over, maybe play a couple

528
00:24:52,238 --> 00:24:53,918
Speaker 1: of doubleheaders not bad.

529
00:24:53,958 --> 00:24:56,918
Speaker 3: And if you're going to do that, I would include

530
00:24:57,438 --> 00:25:00,798
Speaker 3: having the youth baseball in those countries play prior to

531
00:25:00,838 --> 00:25:04,598
Speaker 3: the major league game. You know, somehow you get the

532
00:25:04,598 --> 00:25:06,918
Speaker 3: them involved, get the kids involved, or even I don't

533
00:25:06,918 --> 00:25:08,678
Speaker 3: even know if there's any like high school or collegiate

534
00:25:08,718 --> 00:25:10,958
Speaker 3: kind of leagues. Just get those that want to play

535
00:25:10,958 --> 00:25:14,278
Speaker 3: baseball in those countries on the field also before our games,

536
00:25:14,758 --> 00:25:17,398
Speaker 3: like an exhibition game prior to just to expose them

537
00:25:17,758 --> 00:25:19,438
Speaker 3: to that too. You're gonna get more families out there.

538
00:25:19,478 --> 00:25:21,518
Speaker 3: You probably get some exposure with that. You'd probably get

539
00:25:21,518 --> 00:25:24,158
Speaker 3: some media exposure with that too. You get some players,

540
00:25:24,598 --> 00:25:27,238
Speaker 3: major league players watching these kids play. I think that

541
00:25:27,238 --> 00:25:29,478
Speaker 3: would be important also, even to the point even if

542
00:25:29,478 --> 00:25:32,558
Speaker 3: the softball is involved, But I would do that. I

543
00:25:32,598 --> 00:25:34,878
Speaker 3: would not be opposed to a longer stay, not at all,

544
00:25:34,918 --> 00:25:37,798
Speaker 3: because it is taxing to just fly over and back

545
00:25:38,238 --> 00:25:41,878
Speaker 3: and to get acclimated or not acclimated to the time

546
00:25:41,998 --> 00:25:44,038
Speaker 3: zones and to the exposure.

547
00:25:44,598 --> 00:25:45,718
Speaker 4: I'd be curious. I don't know.

548
00:25:45,758 --> 00:25:49,318
Speaker 3: I think if you're really involved the entire country somehow

549
00:25:49,358 --> 00:25:53,398
Speaker 3: and their youth programs too into this, you might be

550
00:25:53,438 --> 00:25:56,958
Speaker 3: able to get the kind of media exposure you're looking

551
00:25:56,998 --> 00:26:01,078
Speaker 3: for because you're really trying to administer to the kids also,

552
00:26:01,118 --> 00:26:02,758
Speaker 3: which I think that's after all, that's what you want

553
00:26:02,798 --> 00:26:03,878
Speaker 3: to do. If you want the game to take a

554
00:26:03,958 --> 00:26:06,118
Speaker 3: footthll there, you need to get the kids involved. You

555
00:26:06,158 --> 00:26:08,278
Speaker 3: need to get the youth coaches involved, and you need

556
00:26:08,278 --> 00:26:10,878
Speaker 3: to get the parents involved. That's how this has a chance.

557
00:26:10,878 --> 00:26:13,318
Speaker 3: So I would like it stay longer and get the

558
00:26:13,358 --> 00:26:14,158
Speaker 3: youth involved too.

559
00:26:14,798 --> 00:26:15,038
Speaker 2: Yeah.

560
00:26:15,118 --> 00:26:17,918
Speaker 1: I mean, there is research done here in the States

561
00:26:17,998 --> 00:26:20,718
Speaker 1: that if you want to get a baseball fan for life,

562
00:26:21,478 --> 00:26:25,038
Speaker 1: you need to get the young person literally in the ballpark.

563
00:26:25,318 --> 00:26:27,158
Speaker 1: You know, just following the game is not enough. There's

564
00:26:27,198 --> 00:26:30,478
Speaker 1: nothing like the tangible experience of being there in a

565
00:26:30,518 --> 00:26:33,598
Speaker 1: ballpark and watching the game when you're seven, eight, nine

566
00:26:33,678 --> 00:26:36,998
Speaker 1: years old, and you will become The research shows this

567
00:26:37,198 --> 00:26:40,078
Speaker 1: generally much more likely to be a fan for life.

568
00:26:40,158 --> 00:26:42,398
Speaker 2: So that's another reason why they go over there.

569
00:26:42,798 --> 00:26:44,918
Speaker 1: That when it's in your own backyard and you're just

570
00:26:44,958 --> 00:26:48,238
Speaker 1: not following it on your tablet or computer, that it

571
00:26:48,318 --> 00:26:50,998
Speaker 1: seems more personal. There's a connection that develops. So I

572
00:26:51,038 --> 00:26:54,038
Speaker 1: agree with that. Here's another idea, and this is another

573
00:26:54,078 --> 00:26:57,558
Speaker 1: good one worth considering. Joe that MLB thought about maybe

574
00:26:57,558 --> 00:27:01,198
Speaker 1: they'll do it someday. Is you establish one team as

575
00:27:01,238 --> 00:27:04,278
Speaker 1: say London's team, Say it's the New York Mets. Okay,

576
00:27:04,758 --> 00:27:08,798
Speaker 1: so every time MLB goes to London, the Mets are going,

577
00:27:09,038 --> 00:27:11,518
Speaker 1: and their opponent will change, so other teams will get

578
00:27:11,518 --> 00:27:14,878
Speaker 1: a chance to go. But you're establishing a legacy, almost

579
00:27:14,918 --> 00:27:17,598
Speaker 1: like a sister city, that the New York Mets are

580
00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:21,158
Speaker 1: London's team, and maybe you know the Diamondbacks or Mexico

581
00:27:21,238 --> 00:27:23,598
Speaker 1: City's team or San Diego, you know, whatever it is

582
00:27:23,638 --> 00:27:28,438
Speaker 1: that you have these long term relationships that establish fan

583
00:27:28,558 --> 00:27:31,798
Speaker 1: bases in international cities. I thought that was a very

584
00:27:31,798 --> 00:27:32,958
Speaker 1: interesting idea.

585
00:27:33,278 --> 00:27:34,958
Speaker 4: Like it. I do like that a lot.

586
00:27:34,998 --> 00:27:39,558
Speaker 3: Actually it can't hurt, right, but I do believe there

587
00:27:39,598 --> 00:27:43,038
Speaker 3: has to be some kind of visceral connection between wherever

588
00:27:43,038 --> 00:27:47,558
Speaker 3: you're trying to get into and the product itself, and

589
00:27:47,638 --> 00:27:50,678
Speaker 3: social media really permits all of that. It goes. I'm

590
00:27:50,718 --> 00:27:52,758
Speaker 3: just starting to think about we've talked about I've talked

591
00:27:52,798 --> 00:27:58,718
Speaker 3: to you about this for years. Started out as the program.

592
00:27:58,878 --> 00:28:00,958
Speaker 3: It's now you can do it on Zoom, but a Skype,

593
00:28:00,958 --> 00:28:06,838
Speaker 3: I Skype classes, I Skype classes in advance because I've

594
00:28:06,838 --> 00:28:09,518
Speaker 3: always felt that if you really want, like you're talking about,

595
00:28:09,558 --> 00:28:11,638
Speaker 3: get him into a ballpark, Before you get him in

596
00:28:11,678 --> 00:28:13,958
Speaker 3: the ballpark, get them on a screen like this, because

597
00:28:14,238 --> 00:28:17,558
Speaker 3: all these kids, everybody loves tech. So I would really

598
00:28:17,718 --> 00:28:23,118
Speaker 3: connect the players with the youth of the country they're

599
00:28:23,158 --> 00:28:25,478
Speaker 3: going to, with the sister city whatever, well in advance

600
00:28:25,518 --> 00:28:28,118
Speaker 3: and often if you want to get that done zoom.

601
00:28:28,598 --> 00:28:29,998
Speaker 3: The way we you do this, just like you and

602
00:28:29,998 --> 00:28:32,198
Speaker 3: I are doing this right now, permits that kind of connection.

603
00:28:32,238 --> 00:28:34,438
Speaker 3: I don't even know what MLB did. I don't even

604
00:28:34,438 --> 00:28:37,678
Speaker 3: know what the advance looked like regarding player involvement and

605
00:28:37,718 --> 00:28:40,118
Speaker 3: their attempt to connect them with the fan base. I

606
00:28:40,118 --> 00:28:46,318
Speaker 3: don't know, but there's ways to do that to zoom kids, kids, groups, whatever,

607
00:28:46,398 --> 00:28:48,758
Speaker 3: with different within different countries. Like you said, the Mets

608
00:28:48,798 --> 00:28:52,558
Speaker 3: would just really saturate the London market and the kids

609
00:28:52,598 --> 00:28:55,798
Speaker 3: there in advance of them getting there via zoom half

610
00:28:55,878 --> 00:28:58,478
Speaker 3: hour in your hotel room on the road, piece of cake.

611
00:28:58,958 --> 00:29:01,238
Speaker 3: Those are the kind of things that when I first

612
00:29:01,278 --> 00:29:04,638
Speaker 3: started doing Skype years ago with different classrooms, the one

613
00:29:04,718 --> 00:29:06,558
Speaker 3: kid in eighth grade in New Jersey you asked me,

614
00:29:07,118 --> 00:29:10,078
Speaker 3: how are you guys? How is MOLB utilizing technology to

615
00:29:10,118 --> 00:29:13,238
Speaker 3: connect with people my age with kids my age, and

616
00:29:13,278 --> 00:29:15,558
Speaker 3: I had to stop and say, well, really, actually, I'm

617
00:29:15,558 --> 00:29:18,078
Speaker 3: not aware. So that was my attempt to get the

618
00:29:18,078 --> 00:29:20,958
Speaker 3: connection going. And then I haven't done it more recently

619
00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:23,238
Speaker 3: because obviously I'm not involved in the big leagues right now.

620
00:29:23,278 --> 00:29:27,718
Speaker 3: But do you get like you just say, any Lindor

621
00:29:28,078 --> 00:29:31,198
Speaker 3: or Alonso whatever from the Mets in advance going to

622
00:29:31,878 --> 00:29:34,078
Speaker 3: play in London, I'd get them connected with the kids

623
00:29:34,158 --> 00:29:36,638
Speaker 3: via zoom, whatever it takes to get them in that

624
00:29:36,758 --> 00:29:37,438
Speaker 3: kid's house.

625
00:29:37,758 --> 00:29:40,398
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get really creative, Joe, because you know,

626
00:29:40,478 --> 00:29:44,078
Speaker 1: as you've seen over the years, recently, baseball has played

627
00:29:44,078 --> 00:29:48,238
Speaker 1: games domestically in non traditional MLB venues. There was the

628
00:29:48,238 --> 00:29:51,398
Speaker 1: Ford Bragg game. The Field of Dream Games in Iowa

629
00:29:51,758 --> 00:29:54,358
Speaker 1: was just amazing. They've had two of those. They're worried

630
00:29:54,358 --> 00:29:56,278
Speaker 1: maybe it was going to start to get old. I

631
00:29:56,478 --> 00:30:00,438
Speaker 1: love those games. They look fantastic on television. I would

632
00:30:00,558 --> 00:30:03,198
Speaker 1: keep that in a regular rotation. Right now, they're not

633
00:30:03,198 --> 00:30:05,958
Speaker 1: scheduled again, but I would bring that back. I don't

634
00:30:05,958 --> 00:30:08,718
Speaker 1: think it would ever get old. It looks so beautiful.

635
00:30:09,398 --> 00:30:12,278
Speaker 1: And next week even more so than the Field of

636
00:30:12,358 --> 00:30:14,518
Speaker 1: Dreams game because that was based on a movie. I

637
00:30:14,558 --> 00:30:17,878
Speaker 1: am looking more forward to the game at Rickwood Field

638
00:30:17,958 --> 00:30:21,518
Speaker 1: in Birmingham, Alabama. It is America's oldest ballpark. It was

639
00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:24,918
Speaker 1: built in nineteen ten for seventy five thousand dollars. It's

640
00:30:24,998 --> 00:30:28,878
Speaker 1: the oldest standing ballpark, and of course great Negro League

641
00:30:28,958 --> 00:30:31,798
Speaker 1: history there played on that field. The greats have played

642
00:30:31,798 --> 00:30:36,198
Speaker 1: their Satchel Page, Jackie Robinson, Josh Gibson. Willie Mays was

643
00:30:36,238 --> 00:30:39,798
Speaker 1: seventeen years old making his professional debut for the Birmingham

644
00:30:39,878 --> 00:30:43,158
Speaker 1: Black Barons, playing only on weekends because he was still

645
00:30:43,198 --> 00:30:43,918
Speaker 1: in high school.

646
00:30:44,438 --> 00:30:46,598
Speaker 2: His parents said, you can only play on weekends.

647
00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:49,238
Speaker 1: Just that the history of that place is amazing that

648
00:30:49,278 --> 00:30:52,758
Speaker 1: it's going to look incredible on television. I wouldn't mind

649
00:30:52,798 --> 00:30:55,878
Speaker 1: seeing that as a part of regular rotation. But I've

650
00:30:55,918 --> 00:30:58,198
Speaker 1: been thinking for years even before this, Joe I was

651
00:30:58,238 --> 00:31:01,238
Speaker 1: floating the idea that baseball should be promoting what I

652
00:31:01,278 --> 00:31:03,718
Speaker 1: called the Great American Game. And I would do this

653
00:31:03,918 --> 00:31:06,558
Speaker 1: every year around the fourth of July because to me, yeah,

654
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:10,078
Speaker 1: it's apple Pie, Chevy and baseball right. It is part

655
00:31:10,158 --> 00:31:13,558
Speaker 1: of the American fabric. There's no question reinforced that by

656
00:31:13,598 --> 00:31:17,318
Speaker 1: playing in Great American venues. I floated the idea of

657
00:31:17,358 --> 00:31:21,358
Speaker 1: building a field with the foothills of South Dakota, you

658
00:31:21,398 --> 00:31:25,158
Speaker 1: know the Mount Rushmore behind it. On the National Mall

659
00:31:25,438 --> 00:31:27,958
Speaker 1: in Washington, there's a way to there's some open space

660
00:31:27,998 --> 00:31:28,798
Speaker 1: there at play a game.

661
00:31:28,918 --> 00:31:29,998
Speaker 2: But how about this one.

662
00:31:30,278 --> 00:31:33,158
Speaker 1: I know we're getting super creative here, Joe, and I'll

663
00:31:33,358 --> 00:31:35,198
Speaker 1: ask your idea for this as well.

664
00:31:35,798 --> 00:31:36,598
Speaker 2: Central Park.

665
00:31:36,918 --> 00:31:41,238
Speaker 1: For you have the Giants, the Dodgers, the Yankees, and

666
00:31:41,278 --> 00:31:45,318
Speaker 1: the Mets playing a round robin tournament, a celebration of

667
00:31:45,318 --> 00:31:48,478
Speaker 1: old time New York baseball played in Central Park.

668
00:31:49,478 --> 00:31:50,798
Speaker 2: How great would that be?

669
00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:51,638
Speaker 4: Great?

670
00:31:51,918 --> 00:31:54,558
Speaker 3: That's that's a hell of an idea. And it doesn't

671
00:31:54,558 --> 00:31:58,038
Speaker 3: have to be this massive stands just like these other venues,

672
00:31:58,318 --> 00:32:00,038
Speaker 3: whether you go to the Field of Dreams Report Bragg,

673
00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:04,038
Speaker 3: they didn't have a typical major league attendance. But if

674
00:32:04,078 --> 00:32:05,838
Speaker 3: you could just get a field up the standard, that's

675
00:32:05,878 --> 00:32:08,158
Speaker 3: really the biggest thing. You get their lights right, you

676
00:32:08,198 --> 00:32:10,318
Speaker 3: get the field right. The players would love to do

677
00:32:10,398 --> 00:32:13,718
Speaker 3: something like that. Absolutely, I think one hundred percent correct.

678
00:32:13,718 --> 00:32:17,998
Speaker 3: That would go over really well within that city throughout

679
00:32:17,998 --> 00:32:20,998
Speaker 3: the United States, I believe. So again, it's don't worry

680
00:32:20,998 --> 00:32:22,998
Speaker 3: about the attendants. The attendance is going to come through

681
00:32:23,038 --> 00:32:25,958
Speaker 3: other ways, but they feel itself would be the biggest thing.

682
00:32:25,998 --> 00:32:28,798
Speaker 3: Having that laid out, having at pristine and having the

683
00:32:28,838 --> 00:32:31,838
Speaker 3: lights right. I think that would be easily done and

684
00:32:31,878 --> 00:32:33,838
Speaker 3: a great idea. The other thing, we went to the

685
00:32:33,838 --> 00:32:36,918
Speaker 3: place Incliff Stadium in your Patterson, New Jersey area. That's

686
00:32:36,998 --> 00:32:41,038
Speaker 3: another one of the former Negro League venues. Probably would

687
00:32:41,078 --> 00:32:43,438
Speaker 3: need some help on the field a little bit, but again,

688
00:32:43,718 --> 00:32:45,758
Speaker 3: the old stands the way they set up, all the

689
00:32:45,838 --> 00:32:48,478
Speaker 3: money and they've put into the museum out in right

690
00:32:48,518 --> 00:32:51,998
Speaker 3: field there Mayor dre out there, Mayor andre and Patterson

691
00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:54,838
Speaker 3: and all the great work he's done there. I still

692
00:32:54,918 --> 00:32:57,718
Speaker 3: like that concept too. I think it might take more

693
00:32:57,798 --> 00:33:00,638
Speaker 3: work to get something like that done, but then again

694
00:33:00,678 --> 00:33:01,958
Speaker 3: i'd have to look at it more closely.

695
00:33:01,998 --> 00:33:03,238
Speaker 4: I'd love that idea too.

696
00:33:03,238 --> 00:33:05,838
Speaker 3: And if you really wanted to make the argument, if

697
00:33:05,878 --> 00:33:09,198
Speaker 3: they can't set up Central Park, if you could set

698
00:33:09,238 --> 00:33:11,598
Speaker 3: it up in Patterson, which is really close to the

699
00:33:11,598 --> 00:33:13,478
Speaker 3: city there, that's not a bad gig either.

700
00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:14,038
Speaker 2: Yeah.

701
00:33:14,078 --> 00:33:16,558
Speaker 1: And again if you can't bring it up to Major

702
00:33:16,638 --> 00:33:19,158
Speaker 1: League standards, because I'm with you, you don't need twenty

703
00:33:19,198 --> 00:33:21,918
Speaker 1: thousand people. I mean, I actually think the more intimate

704
00:33:21,958 --> 00:33:23,958
Speaker 1: it is that the more cool it is. I mean,

705
00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:27,038
Speaker 1: they get when they could play in Williamsport. There's only

706
00:33:27,078 --> 00:33:29,438
Speaker 1: what three thousand fans that can go to those games

707
00:33:29,438 --> 00:33:32,918
Speaker 1: in Williamsport. But you do need the playing fields and

708
00:33:32,998 --> 00:33:34,278
Speaker 1: facilities do need to be.

709
00:33:34,238 --> 00:33:37,438
Speaker 2: Major League quality. You know, you can't compromise the safety

710
00:33:37,478 --> 00:33:38,758
Speaker 2: health of the players. I get that.

711
00:33:39,198 --> 00:33:41,918
Speaker 1: So if you couldn't build a field in Central Park

712
00:33:41,918 --> 00:33:44,758
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I'm okay with playing the games at

713
00:33:44,838 --> 00:33:48,358
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. Think about it as almost like an American

714
00:33:48,438 --> 00:33:50,798
Speaker 1: Legion tournament shoe an old time in New York and

715
00:33:50,838 --> 00:33:53,318
Speaker 1: you call it the New York Baseball Tournament. You just

716
00:33:53,358 --> 00:33:55,958
Speaker 1: schedule the series when those teams play each other on

717
00:33:55,998 --> 00:33:59,198
Speaker 1: the same weekend in New York round robin. You're not

718
00:33:59,198 --> 00:34:01,358
Speaker 1: playing any extra games. You're not going to play like

719
00:34:01,398 --> 00:34:03,638
Speaker 1: a semi final in a final. But you're just playing

720
00:34:03,638 --> 00:34:06,838
Speaker 1: those series there in Yankee Stadium, And it does have

721
00:34:06,918 --> 00:34:09,958
Speaker 1: the feel of like an American Legion tournament in the

722
00:34:09,998 --> 00:34:10,718
Speaker 1: middle of the summer.

723
00:34:11,198 --> 00:34:11,998
Speaker 4: I've always liked that.

724
00:34:12,038 --> 00:34:14,958
Speaker 3: I mean to expand on the idea, I always want

725
00:34:14,998 --> 00:34:17,998
Speaker 3: it in spring training. I thought at the conclusion of

726
00:34:18,038 --> 00:34:20,998
Speaker 3: spring training, you'd have a double header at the Trap

727
00:34:21,198 --> 00:34:24,798
Speaker 3: with four teams. I've always thought about the NBA double

728
00:34:24,838 --> 00:34:27,598
Speaker 3: headers back in the day at Madison Square Garden. You

729
00:34:27,678 --> 00:34:30,758
Speaker 3: get four different teams there on a particular day, and

730
00:34:31,198 --> 00:34:33,358
Speaker 3: fans would get to watch four teams play in that

731
00:34:33,438 --> 00:34:35,838
Speaker 3: same afternoon or evening the Trop being that it was

732
00:34:35,878 --> 00:34:37,918
Speaker 3: turf field, I always thought would be a great way

733
00:34:37,958 --> 00:34:41,078
Speaker 3: to conclude spring training by having, like you're talking about,

734
00:34:41,078 --> 00:34:43,998
Speaker 3: maybe two days of four teams playing at the Trop.

735
00:34:44,358 --> 00:34:46,638
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like what you're talking about. It's

736
00:34:46,678 --> 00:34:51,158
Speaker 3: the old NBA double header at Madison Square Garden concept,

737
00:34:51,198 --> 00:34:53,998
Speaker 3: and I've always I always loved that idea. As a

738
00:34:54,078 --> 00:34:55,998
Speaker 3: kid man, if you get a chance to see four teams,

739
00:34:55,998 --> 00:34:58,438
Speaker 3: two games and four teams in one day, Wow, that

740
00:34:58,558 --> 00:34:59,998
Speaker 3: kind of blows your mind to waste.

741
00:35:00,118 --> 00:35:01,238
Speaker 4: So I'm all about that.

742
00:35:01,318 --> 00:35:04,518
Speaker 3: I think that's a wonderful idea with like you said,

743
00:35:04,518 --> 00:35:08,358
Speaker 3: it's about venue creating the excitement. I do like the

744
00:35:08,398 --> 00:35:11,398
Speaker 3: Central Park thing a lot, not just a little bit.

745
00:35:11,558 --> 00:35:14,358
Speaker 3: I do even more so than Yankee Stadium. But we're

746
00:35:14,478 --> 00:35:17,398
Speaker 3: possible to roll out a field there. They could probably

747
00:35:17,438 --> 00:35:20,238
Speaker 3: have it there, you know, once they've established the field

748
00:35:20,238 --> 00:35:22,958
Speaker 3: that could be set for the people of New York

749
00:35:22,998 --> 00:35:26,718
Speaker 3: to use, or leagues within the city itself for years

750
00:35:26,718 --> 00:35:28,998
Speaker 3: to come afterwards. There's a lot going on there that

751
00:35:29,038 --> 00:35:32,478
Speaker 3: could benefit baseball in the city post just that one.

752
00:35:32,358 --> 00:35:36,238
Speaker 1: Game, and assuming the Oakland A's lead for Las Vegas,

753
00:35:36,238 --> 00:35:37,958
Speaker 1: which by the way, is not a done deal, but

754
00:35:38,038 --> 00:35:40,798
Speaker 1: let's assume they do. You could have a California Cup

755
00:35:41,238 --> 00:35:44,998
Speaker 1: in in season tournament. Get the Angels, the Padres, the Dodgers,

756
00:35:45,078 --> 00:35:47,358
Speaker 1: the Giants have a California Cup. You know, the NBA

757
00:35:47,558 --> 00:35:48,998
Speaker 1: has this in season tournament.

758
00:35:49,038 --> 00:35:49,278
Speaker 2: Now.

759
00:35:50,198 --> 00:35:52,398
Speaker 1: You know, the baseball season is so long that these

760
00:35:52,478 --> 00:35:56,398
Speaker 1: international events and these ten pole games do give baseball

761
00:35:56,718 --> 00:35:59,478
Speaker 1: the kind of event field that it normally doesn't have

762
00:36:00,038 --> 00:36:01,718
Speaker 1: other than All Star Game and postseason.

763
00:36:01,998 --> 00:36:02,078
Speaker 4: No.

764
00:36:02,198 --> 00:36:05,158
Speaker 3: I like again, I never thought of this stuff until

765
00:36:05,158 --> 00:36:07,718
Speaker 3: you brought it up. It's interesting. I think it's something

766
00:36:07,758 --> 00:36:12,478
Speaker 3: that the fans would buy into. And again, we're talking

767
00:36:12,478 --> 00:36:14,158
Speaker 3: about you just we're just trying to create a more

768
00:36:14,158 --> 00:36:18,238
Speaker 3: interested fan base everywhere. I think kids would really dig

769
00:36:18,278 --> 00:36:18,558
Speaker 3: on that.

770
00:36:18,678 --> 00:36:19,078
Speaker 4: I do.

771
00:36:19,438 --> 00:36:20,998
Speaker 3: No, I like that a lot. I don't like that

772
00:36:21,038 --> 00:36:22,798
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think it has a lot of

773
00:36:22,798 --> 00:36:25,638
Speaker 3: gravitass to it, and I think, like I said, anything

774
00:36:25,678 --> 00:36:28,038
Speaker 3: you can do to get kids more involved. And if

775
00:36:28,038 --> 00:36:30,438
Speaker 3: I could see more than one game on any particular

776
00:36:30,518 --> 00:36:33,998
Speaker 3: day and it involves four different teams, I'm in Joe.

777
00:36:34,038 --> 00:36:35,758
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, and when we

778
00:36:35,958 --> 00:36:39,918
Speaker 1: get back as far as the baseball on hand these days,

779
00:36:39,918 --> 00:36:41,718
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the guy I call the

780
00:36:41,758 --> 00:36:44,958
Speaker 1: most reliable pitcher in all of baseball.

781
00:36:45,438 --> 00:36:59,678
Speaker 2: Who is it? We'll tell you right after this. Welcome

782
00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:01,278
Speaker 2: back to the Book of Joe podcasts.

783
00:37:01,358 --> 00:37:04,118
Speaker 1: And by the way, Joe one hundred years ago, Oh,

784
00:37:04,198 --> 00:37:06,238
Speaker 1: this is going to wrap up our international section. By

785
00:37:06,278 --> 00:37:09,278
Speaker 1: the way, one hundred years ago, in the Letters to

786
00:37:09,318 --> 00:37:12,878
Speaker 1: the Editor section of the Times of London, there was

787
00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:19,598
Speaker 1: a letter postmark from Windelsham, Crowborough and it was about baseball.

788
00:37:19,798 --> 00:37:23,118
Speaker 1: Baseball actually started to gain a foothol a little bit

789
00:37:23,238 --> 00:37:25,758
Speaker 1: in the twenties and thirties in England. That was at

790
00:37:25,798 --> 00:37:30,638
Speaker 1: the time when people in England were fascinated with American culture.

791
00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:34,038
Speaker 1: That's when Hollywood started taking off in the halo effect

792
00:37:34,078 --> 00:37:37,158
Speaker 1: of the Hollywood film industry got people in England thinking

793
00:37:37,198 --> 00:37:40,758
Speaker 1: that this American stuff is pretty cool and what was

794
00:37:40,798 --> 00:37:44,358
Speaker 1: more American than baseball? Back then in the twenties and thirties, right,

795
00:37:44,398 --> 00:37:48,838
Speaker 1: our national pastime. So baseball did start to gain some popularity,

796
00:37:48,878 --> 00:37:51,198
Speaker 1: which would end, by the way, when war started to

797
00:37:51,238 --> 00:37:53,638
Speaker 1: break out in the forties. But twenties and thirties it

798
00:37:53,638 --> 00:37:55,758
Speaker 1: did start to grow. So there was a letter to

799
00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:58,598
Speaker 1: the editor about baseball in the Times of London exactly

800
00:37:58,598 --> 00:38:01,638
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, in nineteen twenty four, and the

801
00:38:01,678 --> 00:38:05,438
Speaker 1: writer says, here is a splendid game which calls for

802
00:38:05,518 --> 00:38:10,678
Speaker 1: a fine eye activity, bodily fitness and judgment in the

803
00:38:10,798 --> 00:38:14,158
Speaker 1: highest degrees. It takes only two or three hours in

804
00:38:14,198 --> 00:38:16,638
Speaker 1: the playing. Remember there used to cricket going on for

805
00:38:16,758 --> 00:38:19,878
Speaker 1: days and days, right right right. The writer of this

806
00:38:20,118 --> 00:38:22,478
Speaker 1: letter to the editor extolling the virtues of the great

807
00:38:22,478 --> 00:38:26,958
Speaker 1: game of baseball was none other than Arthur Conan Doyle. Wow,

808
00:38:27,158 --> 00:38:30,158
Speaker 1: the famous author of Sherlock Holmes. That's pretty well, by

809
00:38:30,198 --> 00:38:33,598
Speaker 1: the way. Arthur Conan Doyle was a huge sportsman. He

810
00:38:33,638 --> 00:38:37,318
Speaker 1: was a cricketer, he was a bowler, he was a boxer,

811
00:38:37,518 --> 00:38:38,678
Speaker 1: he was an avid golfer.

812
00:38:38,998 --> 00:38:41,438
Speaker 3: Well, isn't our game the intellectual game anyway? I mean

813
00:38:41,478 --> 00:38:43,878
Speaker 3: I've always felt that way, and I'm not trying to

814
00:38:43,878 --> 00:38:47,358
Speaker 3: be like uppitty or anything. But there's so much going

815
00:38:47,398 --> 00:38:51,198
Speaker 3: on per pitch between the mountain home plate. There's so

816
00:38:51,318 --> 00:38:54,758
Speaker 3: much to think about if you really apply yourself. So

817
00:38:54,798 --> 00:38:57,278
Speaker 3: the fact that he recognized that even back then, it's

818
00:38:57,358 --> 00:39:01,278
Speaker 3: kind of impressive. And even then, I mean, I hate

819
00:39:01,278 --> 00:39:02,718
Speaker 3: to use the word, but I guess the game's gotten

820
00:39:02,718 --> 00:39:05,798
Speaker 3: a little bit more sophisticated now. But anyway, I was

821
00:39:05,838 --> 00:39:08,198
Speaker 3: talking to Leonard Coleman, how about that yesterday at the

822
00:39:08,238 --> 00:39:11,878
Speaker 3: golf tournament Yogi Bear's golf tournament, and he just mentioned

823
00:39:11,878 --> 00:39:13,638
Speaker 3: the fact that I became a National leaguer for a while,

824
00:39:13,638 --> 00:39:15,918
Speaker 3: and I told him how much more interesting I thought

825
00:39:15,918 --> 00:39:18,238
Speaker 3: the National League game was than the American League game,

826
00:39:18,518 --> 00:39:20,558
Speaker 3: and that I am sorry. I really wish they had

827
00:39:20,638 --> 00:39:22,878
Speaker 3: kept the separation. I know a lot of people won't

828
00:39:22,878 --> 00:39:25,358
Speaker 3: agree with me on that, but as a manager and

829
00:39:25,398 --> 00:39:28,478
Speaker 3: the dugout the National League game, to me, there was

830
00:39:28,598 --> 00:39:30,238
Speaker 3: a lot more to think about in people when you

831
00:39:30,278 --> 00:39:32,238
Speaker 3: just say, well, you're just talking about a double switch

832
00:39:32,278 --> 00:39:34,398
Speaker 3: and a pitcher hitting and all that could. Believe me,

833
00:39:34,878 --> 00:39:36,998
Speaker 3: there's so many things that think about in advance. They

834
00:39:37,038 --> 00:39:39,598
Speaker 3: get it right because the game starts happening pretty quickly.

835
00:39:40,118 --> 00:39:42,318
Speaker 3: And furthermore, you get to keep your whole team involved.

836
00:39:42,918 --> 00:39:45,318
Speaker 3: Guys that may not start that they get to play

837
00:39:45,358 --> 00:39:47,838
Speaker 3: that day through defensive switches or whatever in the latter

838
00:39:47,878 --> 00:39:49,758
Speaker 3: part of the game. The point is is that it

839
00:39:49,838 --> 00:39:51,998
Speaker 3: is an intellectual game. There's a lot to think about

840
00:39:51,998 --> 00:39:56,838
Speaker 3: in our game. Everybody at all ages, they want to

841
00:39:56,878 --> 00:39:58,598
Speaker 3: talk about the strategy of the game.

842
00:39:58,638 --> 00:39:59,198
Speaker 4: They want to know.

843
00:39:59,758 --> 00:40:01,918
Speaker 3: They brought it to my attention, Richard Schiff. They were

844
00:40:01,918 --> 00:40:05,278
Speaker 3: talking to my attention about the safety squeeze that happened

845
00:40:05,358 --> 00:40:08,278
Speaker 3: yesterday with the Yankees, and all of a sudden, in

846
00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:10,038
Speaker 3: the back of the New York Post today, bunting and

847
00:40:10,118 --> 00:40:13,718
Speaker 3: small ball and singles became appropriate today based on the

848
00:40:13,758 --> 00:40:16,318
Speaker 3: fact that there were so many big guys on the bench,

849
00:40:16,838 --> 00:40:19,638
Speaker 3: so much to think about every day, so much to put.

850
00:40:19,438 --> 00:40:21,518
Speaker 4: Together on a daily basis, if you choose to.

851
00:40:21,798 --> 00:40:25,198
Speaker 3: So. Yeah, I've always felt that way, and I've always

852
00:40:25,398 --> 00:40:28,318
Speaker 3: always defend the Nation League game. I still wish there

853
00:40:28,478 --> 00:40:30,758
Speaker 3: was that. I do believe it was a better game.

854
00:40:31,318 --> 00:40:34,318
Speaker 3: And yes, I'm okay with the pitcher hitting, and then yes,

855
00:40:34,358 --> 00:40:37,238
Speaker 3: I'm okay with all the strategy involved in that. The

856
00:40:37,318 --> 00:40:40,798
Speaker 3: game today just the way it is, That's why you're

857
00:40:40,798 --> 00:40:43,118
Speaker 3: not seeing an entire game being played because it's more

858
00:40:43,118 --> 00:40:45,638
Speaker 3: of a bludgeony game as opposed to really trying to

859
00:40:45,638 --> 00:40:47,438
Speaker 3: do different things. The Yankees do it for one day

860
00:40:47,518 --> 00:40:49,398
Speaker 3: yesterday and everybody got excited.

861
00:40:49,478 --> 00:40:51,438
Speaker 1: Well, you're one hundred percent right, of course, And this

862
00:40:51,558 --> 00:40:54,838
Speaker 1: is not a complaint. It's just evolution that technology basically

863
00:40:54,878 --> 00:40:57,878
Speaker 1: equals in our world convenience, and what we do is

864
00:40:57,998 --> 00:41:01,238
Speaker 1: things that take time, things that take diligence are replaced

865
00:41:01,238 --> 00:41:03,758
Speaker 1: with things that are quick. And you know that's the

866
00:41:03,798 --> 00:41:07,518
Speaker 1: home run ball. And you know, again, it's not a complaint.

867
00:41:07,718 --> 00:41:08,318
Speaker 1: Things evolve.

868
00:41:08,398 --> 00:41:10,638
Speaker 2: I get it. So baseball did have to adapt, and

869
00:41:10,638 --> 00:41:11,078
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

870
00:41:11,158 --> 00:41:13,438
Speaker 1: I love the National League game, but I understand why

871
00:41:14,198 --> 00:41:16,518
Speaker 1: it's dead and buried and it's not coming back. And

872
00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:18,558
Speaker 1: it's interesting you brought that up, just to bring this

873
00:41:18,598 --> 00:41:21,198
Speaker 1: full circle again, Joe, in terms of you know, it's

874
00:41:21,238 --> 00:41:23,278
Speaker 1: sort of the mental component of baseball.

875
00:41:23,358 --> 00:41:24,798
Speaker 2: Obviously it's a very physical game.

876
00:41:24,918 --> 00:41:28,078
Speaker 1: Fitness does matter, but as our buddy, Sir Arthur Conan

877
00:41:28,118 --> 00:41:30,278
Speaker 1: Doyle pointed out, it takes some brains to play the

878
00:41:30,278 --> 00:41:33,078
Speaker 1: game too. And back in nineteen fourteen, John McGraw, as

879
00:41:33,078 --> 00:41:36,198
Speaker 1: I mentioned, he was the manager of the Giants spearheading

880
00:41:36,198 --> 00:41:36,678
Speaker 1: that trip.

881
00:41:37,398 --> 00:41:40,718
Speaker 2: He was quoted in a New York newspaper while they were.

882
00:41:40,558 --> 00:41:45,038
Speaker 1: In England saying the American soldiers were better prepared than

883
00:41:45,078 --> 00:41:48,358
Speaker 1: the British soldiers because of the game of baseball, that

884
00:41:48,438 --> 00:41:51,438
Speaker 1: it prepared them both bodily and mentally, that they were

885
00:41:51,558 --> 00:41:54,398
Speaker 1: sharper than British. Well you can imagine how that went

886
00:41:54,438 --> 00:41:57,598
Speaker 1: over in England, right, It caused a huge kerfluffel. And

887
00:41:57,758 --> 00:41:59,958
Speaker 1: I know you won't believe this, Joe, but John McGrath

888
00:41:59,998 --> 00:42:02,718
Speaker 1: said he was misquoted in the New York newspaper. He

889
00:42:02,758 --> 00:42:05,718
Speaker 1: said he never said that, and obviously he was forgiven

890
00:42:05,758 --> 00:42:07,798
Speaker 1: because the King of England would not have shown up

891
00:42:07,838 --> 00:42:10,038
Speaker 1: the next day if he thought that. John McRock actually

892
00:42:10,078 --> 00:42:12,638
Speaker 1: did say the American soldiers were better prepared than the

893
00:42:12,678 --> 00:42:16,238
Speaker 1: British soldiers. But the idea that baseball is a game

894
00:42:16,278 --> 00:42:19,838
Speaker 1: of intellect as well as physical physical skill has always

895
00:42:19,878 --> 00:42:20,958
Speaker 1: been there and always will be.

896
00:42:21,198 --> 00:42:24,078
Speaker 3: I like your point again, talking to mister Coleman yesterday,

897
00:42:24,358 --> 00:42:27,278
Speaker 3: I relate to him. I was never so tired after

898
00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:30,198
Speaker 3: every game as I was after a nationally game. Mentally,

899
00:42:30,718 --> 00:42:34,518
Speaker 3: I've always challenged my players that the games concluded you

900
00:42:34,598 --> 00:42:37,038
Speaker 3: go back into the locker room. Of course, hopefully we won.

901
00:42:37,638 --> 00:42:41,078
Speaker 3: But the biggest thing is if you're mentally drained, you've

902
00:42:41,118 --> 00:42:43,958
Speaker 3: had a great day because you've really applied your focus

903
00:42:43,998 --> 00:42:47,558
Speaker 3: to every pitch. Is almost impossible for most guys to go,

904
00:42:47,638 --> 00:42:50,198
Speaker 3: like if there's two hundred some pitches, to apply every pitch,

905
00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:53,638
Speaker 3: but get as close to that as possible. And when

906
00:42:53,678 --> 00:42:56,278
Speaker 3: you do that, you're mentally drained when the game's over.

907
00:42:56,638 --> 00:43:00,838
Speaker 3: So I would get back after some really wonderful games,

908
00:43:00,838 --> 00:43:03,398
Speaker 3: and sometimes you did lose them, obviously, but all the

909
00:43:03,478 --> 00:43:05,438
Speaker 3: different things you had to think about within the course

910
00:43:05,478 --> 00:43:07,478
Speaker 3: of that nine innings and stay in advance of those

911
00:43:07,478 --> 00:43:10,678
Speaker 3: things and alter those thoughts, and in a in a

912
00:43:10,718 --> 00:43:13,238
Speaker 3: split second, you had to just choose something else. And

913
00:43:13,318 --> 00:43:15,798
Speaker 3: also the decision to not do something is a decision.

914
00:43:16,318 --> 00:43:19,438
Speaker 3: All these things occur and you get mentally exhausted after

915
00:43:19,478 --> 00:43:22,278
Speaker 3: the game a nine any game of National League baseball,

916
00:43:22,278 --> 00:43:24,558
Speaker 3: and that's that's what I there's one thing I miss,

917
00:43:24,598 --> 00:43:26,558
Speaker 3: it's that. And believe me, man, you get through some

918
00:43:26,638 --> 00:43:28,838
Speaker 3: points and you really that's where a good bench coach

919
00:43:28,878 --> 00:43:31,558
Speaker 3: comes in Handy. You're you're you're really flipping so many

920
00:43:31,558 --> 00:43:34,838
Speaker 3: balls up in the air simultaneously mentally that you can't

921
00:43:34,838 --> 00:43:37,558
Speaker 3: get confused or you lose track of things. So with

922
00:43:37,638 --> 00:43:40,478
Speaker 3: Davey or Brandon Hyde, I mean, these guys were outstanding

923
00:43:41,238 --> 00:43:43,278
Speaker 3: at filling into blanks for me when I when things

924
00:43:43,318 --> 00:43:45,718
Speaker 3: really got kind of nuts and hot because you're trying

925
00:43:45,758 --> 00:43:47,718
Speaker 3: to flip too many things up in the air because

926
00:43:47,758 --> 00:43:51,158
Speaker 3: you had to. So anyway, it is the National League

927
00:43:51,198 --> 00:43:54,158
Speaker 3: game of baseball, still the best game of baseball. Defend that,

928
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:57,238
Speaker 3: and uh it would it would exhaust you mentally when

929
00:43:57,318 --> 00:43:58,238
Speaker 3: when the game was over.

930
00:43:58,678 --> 00:44:01,118
Speaker 1: Well, this may have nothing to do with International baseball,

931
00:44:01,198 --> 00:44:04,118
Speaker 1: but I did ask the question who is the most

932
00:44:04,118 --> 00:44:07,478
Speaker 1: reliable pitcher in baseball? And for me, Joe, it's Corbyn

933
00:44:07,518 --> 00:44:10,558
Speaker 1: Burns at the Baltimore Orioles. I say that not because

934
00:44:10,558 --> 00:44:12,638
Speaker 1: he's had a good month or a good season or

935
00:44:12,718 --> 00:44:15,278
Speaker 1: a good couple of years. For four years now, this

936
00:44:15,318 --> 00:44:17,758
Speaker 1: guy has taken the ball every fourth or fifth day

937
00:44:18,518 --> 00:44:20,358
Speaker 1: this year. He's taken the ball into the sixth inning

938
00:44:20,558 --> 00:44:23,198
Speaker 1: every single time, has not allowed more than three earned

939
00:44:23,278 --> 00:44:24,598
Speaker 1: runs every single time.

940
00:44:24,878 --> 00:44:26,278
Speaker 2: Did it again this week.

941
00:44:26,078 --> 00:44:29,558
Speaker 1: In Tampa Bay on Monday night, seven innings, no earned runs.

942
00:44:29,598 --> 00:44:31,318
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Joe as a manager, and this

943
00:44:31,438 --> 00:44:34,358
Speaker 1: is Brandon Hyde who's got this luxury if you will,

944
00:44:34,758 --> 00:44:36,838
Speaker 1: knowing this guy is going to go out there and

945
00:44:37,558 --> 00:44:40,078
Speaker 1: he can save bullpen arms for you every time he

946
00:44:40,118 --> 00:44:42,838
Speaker 1: takes the ball. And the best thing of all, and

947
00:44:42,878 --> 00:44:45,078
Speaker 1: this gets back to the mental component, Joe, is what

948
00:44:45,238 --> 00:44:47,638
Speaker 1: he has done for the rest of that staff, whether

949
00:44:47,678 --> 00:44:50,718
Speaker 1: it's Grayson Rodriguez or Kyle Bradish, some of the other

950
00:44:50,758 --> 00:44:52,918
Speaker 1: pitchers on the staff who are learning how to be

951
00:44:53,158 --> 00:44:56,278
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns, are watching the way he works. This guy

952
00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:59,078
Speaker 1: puts so much work in between starts, the study that

953
00:44:59,118 --> 00:45:02,078
Speaker 1: he does, the physical work that he does, the preparation.

954
00:45:02,318 --> 00:45:04,158
Speaker 1: I think he's a better pitcher than he's ever been

955
00:45:04,398 --> 00:45:06,358
Speaker 1: because he used to be just a cutter machine.

956
00:45:06,478 --> 00:45:07,198
Speaker 2: Now he's got.

957
00:45:07,118 --> 00:45:09,478
Speaker 1: Multiple ways to get you out, throwing more breaking pitches

958
00:45:09,518 --> 00:45:12,558
Speaker 1: than ever, command is off the charts, He's a strike

959
00:45:12,598 --> 00:45:15,318
Speaker 1: one thrower. All these things, a young pitcher is just

960
00:45:15,358 --> 00:45:18,518
Speaker 1: hanging around like a puppy dog following him around. They're

961
00:45:18,558 --> 00:45:21,198
Speaker 1: picking these things up, and now that pitching staff is

962
00:45:21,238 --> 00:45:21,798
Speaker 1: coming around.

963
00:45:21,918 --> 00:45:22,998
Speaker 2: It reminds me Joe.

964
00:45:23,038 --> 00:45:25,718
Speaker 1: Back in the day Greg Mannix had all these right

965
00:45:25,758 --> 00:45:28,958
Speaker 1: handed pitchers who never pitched as well anywhere else except

966
00:45:28,958 --> 00:45:31,518
Speaker 1: when they were his teammate, whether it was Steve Traxel

967
00:45:31,638 --> 00:45:35,598
Speaker 1: or Pete Smith, and just being around these guys, you

968
00:45:35,598 --> 00:45:37,278
Speaker 1: want them on their team because they're good, don't get

969
00:45:37,318 --> 00:45:39,758
Speaker 1: me wrong, but also because they affect younger pitchers. And

970
00:45:39,798 --> 00:45:42,038
Speaker 1: I gotta believe you saw that with Johnny Lester and

971
00:45:42,078 --> 00:45:45,958
Speaker 1: the staff in Chicago. So there are some pictures, and

972
00:45:45,958 --> 00:45:47,918
Speaker 1: I'm not saying every ace can do this, but there

973
00:45:47,918 --> 00:45:51,238
Speaker 1: are some pitchers who give you so much residual value

974
00:45:51,518 --> 00:45:53,318
Speaker 1: that it shows up over the course of the season

975
00:45:53,398 --> 00:45:54,438
Speaker 1: besides their stats.

976
00:45:55,038 --> 00:45:57,798
Speaker 3: Contagious, man, you're talking about James Shields with me with

977
00:45:57,878 --> 00:46:03,238
Speaker 3: the Angels. Shields he was that guy, relentless, work ethic, relentless,

978
00:46:03,278 --> 00:46:07,958
Speaker 3: and I guess bulldog is the appropriate adjective to describe

979
00:46:07,998 --> 00:46:10,718
Speaker 3: his demeanor on the mound, And yeah, it does impact

980
00:46:10,718 --> 00:46:13,198
Speaker 3: everybody else. Chields he was the guy that I think

981
00:46:13,278 --> 00:46:14,638
Speaker 3: was He was the first one to do it. But

982
00:46:14,718 --> 00:46:17,238
Speaker 3: it became a tradition with the Rays that all the

983
00:46:17,278 --> 00:46:20,678
Speaker 3: starting pitchers would greet the picture in the game at

984
00:46:20,678 --> 00:46:23,318
Speaker 3: the top step of the dugout after every inning. So

985
00:46:23,638 --> 00:46:25,278
Speaker 3: you know, maybe sometimes they got to go up for

986
00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:27,678
Speaker 3: some treatment or a little bit of work whatever. They

987
00:46:27,758 --> 00:46:29,798
Speaker 3: might not make it that any but for the most part,

988
00:46:30,638 --> 00:46:34,038
Speaker 3: they would greet the starting pitcher nightly. And don't think

989
00:46:34,038 --> 00:46:36,358
Speaker 3: that did not rub off the time I spent there

990
00:46:36,398 --> 00:46:38,758
Speaker 3: and to this day. I mean, it's pretty much a

991
00:46:38,798 --> 00:46:44,438
Speaker 3: pitching tradition, rich organization, and James had probably the biggest

992
00:46:44,478 --> 00:46:48,038
Speaker 3: impact on it. We had some really you know, David Scotty,

993
00:46:48,118 --> 00:46:50,238
Speaker 3: Casmro was pretty good too. All the guys that we

994
00:46:50,318 --> 00:46:53,278
Speaker 3: had there were very good pitchers. I love Alex Cobb.

995
00:46:53,678 --> 00:46:56,798
Speaker 3: Alex Cobb, to me, that's another guy that with good health,

996
00:46:56,838 --> 00:46:59,078
Speaker 3: this guy would have really turned in some kind of

997
00:46:59,118 --> 00:47:02,638
Speaker 3: numbers in his career. But all of these guys impact

998
00:47:02,638 --> 00:47:06,398
Speaker 3: that the younger guys coming up so once, like Corbin,

999
00:47:06,558 --> 00:47:08,958
Speaker 3: he's establishing that tradition and all the young guys that

1000
00:47:08,998 --> 00:47:11,678
Speaker 3: are around him, you watch that that doesn't rub off in

1001
00:47:11,758 --> 00:47:15,318
Speaker 3: the future, not only the near future but yours to come.

1002
00:47:15,638 --> 00:47:19,438
Speaker 3: It will just uphold a strong pitching tradition that Baltimore's

1003
00:47:19,438 --> 00:47:22,358
Speaker 3: always had back to the Palmer days, et cetera. McNally,

1004
00:47:22,358 --> 00:47:25,158
Speaker 3: all those dudes. So yeah, it matters when you have

1005
00:47:25,318 --> 00:47:28,398
Speaker 3: those lead bulls like that, it matters. They back it

1006
00:47:28,478 --> 00:47:31,358
Speaker 3: up The fact that he doesn't misstarts is so huge,

1007
00:47:31,398 --> 00:47:33,358
Speaker 3: and the fact that he doesn't worry about the third

1008
00:47:33,398 --> 00:47:36,118
Speaker 3: time through because he knows how to pitch through that

1009
00:47:36,198 --> 00:47:39,558
Speaker 3: moment matters, and I promise you one guy can do it.

1010
00:47:40,158 --> 00:47:42,478
Speaker 3: The resk On Shields used to get upset with me

1011
00:47:42,518 --> 00:47:44,638
Speaker 3: when I take him out sometimes what he thought was

1012
00:47:44,638 --> 00:47:46,998
Speaker 3: a little bit too early, until I thought he earned

1013
00:47:46,998 --> 00:47:48,918
Speaker 3: the right to go deeper because he stopped making the

1014
00:47:49,318 --> 00:47:49,998
Speaker 3: dumb mistakes.

1015
00:47:49,998 --> 00:47:52,558
Speaker 4: When I've talked about this before, one hundred and eight pitches.

1016
00:47:52,638 --> 00:47:55,798
Speaker 3: That was my waterloo for him, my landmark number friend,

1017
00:47:55,838 --> 00:47:59,318
Speaker 3: because I thought I noticed that that number things went

1018
00:47:59,358 --> 00:48:01,358
Speaker 3: poorly and that's a lot of pitches. I understand that.

1019
00:48:01,878 --> 00:48:03,598
Speaker 3: So but there was he got to the point, he

1020
00:48:03,638 --> 00:48:05,958
Speaker 3: got he surpassed that. He got a bunch of complete

1021
00:48:05,998 --> 00:48:08,278
Speaker 3: games because you know what to do after he got

1022
00:48:08,318 --> 00:48:11,238
Speaker 3: to that point, because he had the opportunity to do that.

1023
00:48:11,278 --> 00:48:14,638
Speaker 3: All this stuff matters. All it matters. It's contagious, it

1024
00:48:14,718 --> 00:48:17,838
Speaker 3: drips off on other guys, and I like what he's

1025
00:48:17,838 --> 00:48:19,678
Speaker 3: doing that. You're absolutely right, and I think it's gonna

1026
00:48:19,958 --> 00:48:21,518
Speaker 3: benefit that team for years to come.

1027
00:48:21,678 --> 00:48:24,798
Speaker 1: Well, Joe, I'm not sure if you've got an English

1028
00:48:24,798 --> 00:48:27,598
Speaker 1: person to give us the final word on today's episode

1029
00:48:27,598 --> 00:48:30,158
Speaker 1: of the Book of Joe, whether you've got Willie Shakespeare

1030
00:48:30,198 --> 00:48:33,398
Speaker 1: lined up or Ardie Conan Doyle and great baseball writers

1031
00:48:33,398 --> 00:48:37,078
Speaker 1: that they were. I'll give you my quick impressions of London,

1032
00:48:37,118 --> 00:48:39,598
Speaker 1: by the way, because that was my first time in London. Okay,

1033
00:48:39,638 --> 00:48:45,038
Speaker 1: and yeah, my goodness, beautiful city, civilized people do not

1034
00:48:45,278 --> 00:48:46,238
Speaker 1: hank their horns.

1035
00:48:46,518 --> 00:48:48,998
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm used to New York. It's amazing.

1036
00:48:49,038 --> 00:48:52,718
Speaker 1: As much traffic and foot traffic as goes around that city,

1037
00:48:53,078 --> 00:48:57,478
Speaker 1: people are very patient. It was very impressive, very impressed

1038
00:48:57,478 --> 00:49:00,198
Speaker 1: by the cleanliness of it. You know, they used to

1039
00:49:00,278 --> 00:49:02,078
Speaker 1: say this might be true or a legend.

1040
00:49:02,118 --> 00:49:03,758
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Washington, d C.

1041
00:49:04,038 --> 00:49:06,078
Speaker 1: The streets were laid out so that if the city

1042
00:49:06,118 --> 00:49:08,638
Speaker 1: were ever invaded, the invaders would get lost.

1043
00:49:08,718 --> 00:49:10,398
Speaker 2: They couldn't find their way around. I believe it.

1044
00:49:10,598 --> 00:49:14,558
Speaker 1: You've ever been to DC, Well, London makes no sense

1045
00:49:14,598 --> 00:49:16,958
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, I don't know what people did

1046
00:49:16,958 --> 00:49:20,758
Speaker 1: before GPS walking around. There's probably still people walking around

1047
00:49:20,758 --> 00:49:23,478
Speaker 1: from Charles Dickens' days who can't find their way around

1048
00:49:23,478 --> 00:49:23,918
Speaker 1: the city.

1049
00:49:24,198 --> 00:49:25,638
Speaker 2: I mean, that is amaze.

1050
00:49:25,678 --> 00:49:28,998
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful walkable city, but you can get

1051
00:49:29,038 --> 00:49:29,838
Speaker 1: lost very easy.

1052
00:49:30,198 --> 00:49:32,078
Speaker 2: There's no grid, there's no straight lines.

1053
00:49:32,838 --> 00:49:35,718
Speaker 1: Everything crosses over, there's all kinds of junctions, and the

1054
00:49:35,758 --> 00:49:39,358
Speaker 1: parks are beautiful. But just so impressed by this civility,

1055
00:49:39,438 --> 00:49:43,678
Speaker 1: the cleanliness, the friendliness of the people, A very very

1056
00:49:43,838 --> 00:49:46,438
Speaker 1: livable city. And I got back here in the States

1057
00:49:46,438 --> 00:49:49,918
Speaker 1: and realized right away, man, we are in such a

1058
00:49:50,038 --> 00:49:53,318
Speaker 1: hurry here in America. Oh my goodness, leaning on the

1059
00:49:53,358 --> 00:49:56,478
Speaker 1: car horn, changing lanes as soon as we get off

1060
00:49:56,478 --> 00:49:58,918
Speaker 1: the plane. The New Yorkers just bolting it like it's

1061
00:49:58,918 --> 00:50:01,398
Speaker 1: a race, the great race to customs to try to

1062
00:50:01,398 --> 00:50:04,518
Speaker 1: get first in line. They don't do that in Europe

1063
00:50:04,518 --> 00:50:06,678
Speaker 1: in general, at least what I've seen over there. So

1064
00:50:07,518 --> 00:50:11,678
Speaker 1: very impressed by the civility, politeness that hasn't changed over

1065
00:50:11,718 --> 00:50:14,038
Speaker 1: all these years, as much as that that city has

1066
00:50:14,038 --> 00:50:14,878
Speaker 1: so much to offer.

1067
00:50:15,398 --> 00:50:17,478
Speaker 2: They do it at the right pace. That's my take

1068
00:50:17,518 --> 00:50:18,518
Speaker 2: on London, Joe.

1069
00:50:19,038 --> 00:50:19,318
Speaker 4: Right on.

1070
00:50:19,398 --> 00:50:21,198
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been there a couple times and I

1071
00:50:21,238 --> 00:50:24,478
Speaker 3: cannot agree with you more. There's a I like the

1072
00:50:24,478 --> 00:50:28,718
Speaker 3: word civility. There's a courtesy about it. Everybody, like you said,

1073
00:50:28,798 --> 00:50:30,238
Speaker 3: is not in a hurry. The only thing they do

1074
00:50:30,278 --> 00:50:31,958
Speaker 3: wrong they did. They drive on the wrong side of

1075
00:50:31,958 --> 00:50:33,638
Speaker 3: the street, which I'll never understand.

1076
00:50:33,798 --> 00:50:34,198
Speaker 2: Crazy.

1077
00:50:34,278 --> 00:50:37,278
Speaker 3: I would never I love to drive. I'm a car guy,

1078
00:50:37,318 --> 00:50:40,518
Speaker 3: as you know obviously, but I don't want to do that.

1079
00:50:40,638 --> 00:50:43,318
Speaker 3: I really don't want to because I will create an accident.

1080
00:50:43,318 --> 00:50:45,878
Speaker 3: There's no question that part of the using the other

1081
00:50:45,918 --> 00:50:47,878
Speaker 3: side of your brain to figure this thing out. I

1082
00:50:47,918 --> 00:50:50,638
Speaker 3: could not do that. So outside of driving on the

1083
00:50:50,638 --> 00:50:53,878
Speaker 3: wrong side of the road, I loved everything about I'm

1084
00:50:53,918 --> 00:50:55,398
Speaker 3: looking forward to my next trip back.

1085
00:50:55,638 --> 00:50:58,478
Speaker 1: Well said, and to put a cap on things, Joe,

1086
00:50:58,558 --> 00:51:02,518
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you got an international philosopher on

1087
00:51:02,638 --> 00:51:05,558
Speaker 1: tap right here, but you always close it out for us,

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Speaker 1: and this is your time to do it well.

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Speaker 3: I think he is, even though he's American. I think

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Speaker 3: he does apply it almost any country is so well

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Speaker 3: read throughout the world for years and always appeal to

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Speaker 3: that rebel in all of us. I was going with

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Speaker 3: trends today. I wanted to and you know, we're talking

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Speaker 3: about trends. Something somebody mentioned to me about, you know,

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Speaker 3: the third time through the batting order thing. Today we're

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Speaker 3: talking I'm railing on the National League game right now.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the difference between cricket and baseball, and

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Speaker 3: a gentleman being quoted back in nineteen twenty four that

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Speaker 3: recognized the intellectual component of our game trends. So I

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Speaker 3: want Jack Kirouak. I went with Jack Kirouac today. And

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Speaker 3: great things are not accomplished by those who yield to

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Speaker 3: trends in fads and popular opinion. Great things are not

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Speaker 3: accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and

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Speaker 3: popular opinion. And I guess you know that's me. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's just a matter of being able to stick to

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Speaker 3: your grounds, hold your opinions. Of course, Listen, if somebody

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Speaker 3: comes up with a better idea better thought, you have

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Speaker 3: to you agree with it, you move on, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: give the person credit.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 3: But I think too many times we are faced with

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Speaker 3: when trends become popular, everybody abandons what they think or

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Speaker 3: what they feel might be a better way to do

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Speaker 3: things and attempt to follow the trend and the crowd whatever.

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Speaker 3: And that's the most unattractive way to do business as

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Speaker 3: a human being.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 3: If something's been done that way before, people say it's

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Speaker 3: been done that way a thousand times before, and to me,

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Speaker 3: that's the best reason to not do it that way again.

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Speaker 3: So when I read that today, talking about trends and

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Speaker 3: talking about our game and all the different things that

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Speaker 3: people naturally follow just because it becomes popular, to me,

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Speaker 3: that's not necessarily the right way to conduct your business.

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Speaker 3: So I thought, I Krawak put it together perfectly today,

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Speaker 3: and I wanted to go with that.

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Speaker 4: Stay away from popular opinion. It's seldom right.

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Speaker 1: That's perfect, perfect way to end this international edition of

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe on the Road.

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Speaker 2: Well done, Joe, well time, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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