Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 2: We are going to build on the show that came
Speaker 2: out on Monday, and if you missed that podcast, go
Speaker 2: back and listen to it.
Speaker 1: We are talking about the.
Speaker 2: IRS whistleblower, and that whistleblower has now come forward and
Speaker 2: done an interview with CBS News. Senator that's shocking and
Speaker 2: on its own right there.
Speaker 3: Well, in the last forty eight hours, the situation has
Speaker 3: gotten far more perilous for Joe Biden for the White House.
Speaker 3: As we discussed on Monday's podcast, we did a deep
Speaker 3: dive into the allegations from the two IRS whistleblowers that
Speaker 3: came to Congress, came to the Houseways and Means Committee.
Speaker 3: In the forty eight hours that have followed, several things
Speaker 3: have happened. Number one, one of those whistleblowers has gone
Speaker 3: public and CBS News has reported on it. And it
Speaker 3: is a big deal for the corporate media, which has
Speaker 3: spent the entire Biden presidency shilling for and covering for
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and the Democrats, to suddenly be reporting on
Speaker 3: these facts. Now, I will point out, Where's ABC, Where's NBC?
Speaker 3: But the fact that CBS is doing this, that's a
Speaker 3: big deal. Where's CNN, Where's MSNBC. Apparently none of the
Speaker 3: rest of them cover news, but CBS. You're starting to
Speaker 3: see the first rats fleeing from the sinking ship, and
Speaker 3: the substance of these allegations are really disturbing. You're going
Speaker 3: to hear two minutes of it on CBS and then
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do on this podcast is actually break
Speaker 3: down the real substance of exactly what is in those
Speaker 3: allegations and why it poses big, big trouble for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least CBS is doing it. As you described it,
Speaker 2: it's to be honest with the audience. There's no way
Speaker 2: you can cover what this story really is in two minutes,
Speaker 2: and that's where we're going to tell you everything. They
Speaker 2: didn't take a Listen though, to CBS News talking with
Speaker 2: this whistleblower and actually leading the nightly news with this.
Speaker 4: Now to VS News exclusive with the first television interview
Speaker 4: with IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley since he spoke with lawmakers
Speaker 4: last month. A lead investigator in the Hunter Biden case
Speaker 4: tells CBS's Jim Axelrod that he felt the president's son
Speaker 4: received preferential treatment, and in a stunning claim says that
Speaker 4: he was blocked from pursuing leads that could have led
Speaker 4: to the President himself.
Speaker 5: If this was any other person they liked, it would
Speaker 5: have already served their sentence.
Speaker 6: Gary Shapley was a lead IRS supervisory agent in Operation Sportsmen,
Speaker 6: the investigation into Hunter Biden. Shapley said he uncovered conduct
Speaker 6: that warranted more serious charges.
Speaker 5: There were personal expenses that were taken as business expenses, prostitutes,
Speaker 5: sex club memberships, hotel rooms for purported drug dealers.
Speaker 6: How much Hunter Biden o in taxes.
Speaker 5: So from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen it was two
Speaker 5: point two million dollars.
Speaker 6: The back taxes were paid off, and last week, the
Speaker 6: Trump appointed US attorney in Delaware, David Weiss, reached an
Speaker 6: agreement with Hunter Biden. The President's son would admit to
Speaker 6: a firearm charge and plead guilty for his failure to
Speaker 6: pay taxes. If a judge signs off, the deal means
Speaker 6: no jail time testimony.
Speaker 4: We have just released details a lack of US attorney independence.
Speaker 6: And Shapley told lawmakers the US attorney Weiss was blocked
Speaker 6: from bringing stronger charges, but US Attorney General Merrick Garland
Speaker 6: said last week that Weiss.
Speaker 7: Was not I'm saying he was given complete authority to
Speaker 7: make all decisions on his own.
Speaker 5: I documented exactly what happened, and it doesn't seem to
Speaker 5: match what the Attorney General or the US Attorney are
Speaker 5: saying today.
Speaker 6: Shapley provided lawmakers this contemporaneous email he wrote after an
Speaker 6: October meeting last year. Shapley says Weiss told him the opposite,
Speaker 6: that Weiss is not the deciding person on whether charges
Speaker 6: are filed.
Speaker 1: It was just shocking to me.
Speaker 6: Shapley, who is still working for the IRS, told us
Speaker 6: that even before President Biden took office, he was directed
Speaker 6: to avoid leads involving Hunter's father.
Speaker 5: There were certain investigative steps that we weren't allowed to
Speaker 5: take that could have led us to President Biden.
Speaker 1: And you wanted to take them.
Speaker 5: We needed to take them, and you weren't allowed to
Speaker 5: take That's correct.
Speaker 6: It is important to point out that at that point
Speaker 6: in Shapa's investigation, Donald Trump was still president and his
Speaker 6: Attorney General, William Barr, had rules in place that may
Speaker 6: have limited what Chapley could pursue. The US Attorney's office
Speaker 6: in Delaware had no comment. As for Hunter Biden, his
Speaker 6: attorneys did not respond to us, but he said before
Speaker 6: in a statement that he is taking responsibility for mistakes
Speaker 6: he made during a period of turmoil in his life.
Speaker 2: There it is turmoil, right, it will blame it on turmoil.
Speaker 2: CBS News capturing this, And there was also something else
Speaker 2: interesting that came out center. Not only did Hunter Biden
Speaker 2: get invited to State dinner this week, but apparently he
Speaker 2: left with his dad after the second whistleblower comes out
Speaker 2: to go to Camp David. And we were told, at
Speaker 2: least through some in the media that lawyers were there
Speaker 2: as well. That doesn't sound like a normal response to whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: I'm being sarcastic, right, It's like they said, all right,
Speaker 2: we got to go to Camp David.
Speaker 1: Now this is getting real.
Speaker 3: Well, it is difficult to overstate how bad the developments
Speaker 3: have been for Joe Biden and the White House in
Speaker 3: the past several days these allegations. If what the whistleblowers
Speaker 3: are saying is true, then Joe Biden flat out lied
Speaker 3: and is very likely guilty of serious criminal conduct, guilty
Speaker 3: of multiple felonies. If what the whistleblowers is saying is true,
Speaker 3: then Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States,
Speaker 3: likely committed both perjury are actually lying under oath to
Speaker 3: Congress and obstruction of justice, both serious felonies. On the
Speaker 3: podcast on Monday, I called for a special counsel to
Speaker 3: be appointed to investigate Merrick Garland as to whether he
Speaker 3: lied under oath to Congress in response to questioning that
Speaker 3: I asked him before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and also
Speaker 3: whether he personally committed or at his direction, had committed
Speaker 3: obstruction of justice. I have also on this podcast repeatedly
Speaker 3: called for Merrick Garland to be impeached. In the last
Speaker 3: forty eight hours, the House of Representatives took a major
Speaker 3: step forward in doing so. Take a listen to Kevin
Speaker 3: McCarthy explaining why.
Speaker 7: Well, you apparently don't follow me on Twitter because yesterday
Speaker 7: I laid out very very clearly by July sixth, because
Speaker 7: of the allegations from the IRS, because of the whistleblowers
Speaker 7: and the DOJ Garland, what he is saying and what
Speaker 7: David Weiss are saying privately are two different things. And
Speaker 7: if it comes true, what the IRS whistleblower is saying,
Speaker 7: we're going to start impeachment inquiries on the Attorney General. Well,
Speaker 7: because as a matter of fact, it shows that.
Speaker 8: And so it would be great if you had called
Speaker 8: your panel. You've got the whistleblower, you've got the Attorney General,
Speaker 8: and you've got the US Attorney seeing different stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But what's interesting is the IRS whistleblower that has no
Speaker 7: political background, took copious notes, can tell you the date,
Speaker 7: can tell you the people in the meeting.
Speaker 9: He said, so we could hear a.
Speaker 7: Screen, so we could bring six other people in. And
Speaker 7: the US Attorney you said this here, but the Attorney
Speaker 7: General says something different, said you had all power and
Speaker 7: you did not.
Speaker 1: You had all power, but you did not.
Speaker 9: Well, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And I will say when you when you watch this
Speaker 3: IRS whistleblower on CBS, you see that this is by
Speaker 3: all appearances, not a partisan, not a Republican, not someone
Speaker 3: with an ax to grind. Instead, this is a career
Speaker 3: IRS employee, a supervisor, who certainly appears to be horrified
Speaker 3: at what he saw. And it's important this is something
Speaker 3: Kevin McCarthy emphasized. If what he is saying is true,
Speaker 3: then both the Attorney General and the President of the
Speaker 3: United States are flat out lying because it is completely inconsistent.
Speaker 3: It's possible that the whistleblower is lying. But I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what. There's a second whistleblower. There's a second whistleblower
Speaker 3: who from the irs, who came forward, who stayed anonymous.
Speaker 3: He calls himself mister X. But let me tell you what.
Speaker 3: The second whistleblower. How he described himself in his testimony.
Speaker 3: He says, quote, I'm an American and my allegiances are
Speaker 3: to my country and my government. I'm also a gay man.
Speaker 3: I have a husband, two dogs, a home, and a
Speaker 3: life full of family and friends. But above else, I'm
Speaker 3: a human being. My sexuality does to find me as
Speaker 3: a person. It's just who I love. I'd like to
Speaker 3: say one more thing regarding this topic sexuality, especially since
Speaker 3: it's the start of Pride Month. But people have said
Speaker 3: that I'm gay, and people have said, because I'm gay
Speaker 3: and that I'm working on the case agent in this investigation,
Speaker 3: that i must be a far left liberal perfectly placed
Speaker 3: to fit some agenda. This was the stuff that was
Speaker 3: on social media regarding me. I can tell you or
Speaker 3: that I am none of these things. I'm a career
Speaker 3: government employee and I've always strived to not let politics
Speaker 3: enter my frame of mind when working cases. I've also
Speaker 3: tried to stay so non political that in the last
Speaker 3: presidential election, I voted, but I had decided to not
Speaker 3: vote for the presidential candidate because I didn't want to
Speaker 3: be asked that question at a court proceeding in the future,
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to show any potential bias. My
Speaker 3: political beliefs are simple. I'm as middle of the road
Speaker 3: as they come, but would consider my myself to be
Speaker 3: a Democrat. Now that's one of the two whistleblowers, a
Speaker 3: gay man with a husband who's a Democrat.
Speaker 9: The other.
Speaker 3: They're both career IRS employees, and I got to say,
Speaker 3: on the face of it, their testimony has very significant credibility.
Speaker 9: If what they are saying is true.
Speaker 3: Merrick Garland in all likelihood committed at least one felony,
Speaker 3: if not multiple felonies, and Ben let's walk through specifically
Speaker 3: what those allegations are. Kudos to CBS for saying the
Speaker 3: allegations are there and saying, well, there were steps they
Speaker 3: wanted to take, but let's walk through specifically what was stated.
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Speaker 2: it's so important that people understand these allegations and what
Speaker 2: they're accusing. Not only those under Garwin, but the cover
Speaker 2: up with the Bidens clearly have to be involved in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. Here's how the Houseways and Means
Speaker 3: Committee described the evidence. They said, quote whistleblowers describe how
Speaker 3: the Biden Justice Department intervened and overstepped in a campaign
Speaker 3: to protect the son of Joe Biden by delaying, divulging,
Speaker 3: and denying an ongoing investigation into Hunter Biden's alleged tax crimes.
Speaker 3: The testimony shows tactics used by the Justice Department to
Speaker 3: delay the investigation long enough to reach the statute of
Speaker 3: limitations evidence. They divulged sensitive actions by the investigative team
Speaker 3: to Biden's attorneys, and denied requests by the US attorney
Speaker 3: to bring charges against Biden. Houseways and Means Committee continued
Speaker 3: IRS employees who blew the whistle on this abuse were
Speaker 3: retaliated against despite a commitment IRS Commissioner were full made
Speaker 3: before the Ways and Means Committee to uphold their legal protections.
Speaker 3: They were removed from this investigation after they responsibly worked
Speaker 3: through the chain of command to raise these concerns. Now,
Speaker 3: what did the whistleblowers testimony reveal? It revealed that the
Speaker 3: IRS removed the whistleblowers from the Hunter Biden investigations, and
Speaker 3: in fact, they were punished as mister Shapley was not
Speaker 3: selected for a promotion after he blew the whistle and
Speaker 3: when he was more qualified than the candidate who was selected.
Speaker 9: And specifically, the.
Speaker 3: Whistleblowers stated that agents sought to perform a physical search
Speaker 3: of Joe Biden's guest house where Hunter Biden was staying. However,
Speaker 3: the assistant US attorney on the case named Leslie Wolf
Speaker 3: questioned quote whether the juice was worth the squeeze and
Speaker 3: noted that quote optics were a driving factor in the
Speaker 3: decision on whether to execute a search warrant. She further
Speaker 3: indicated that quote, a lot of evidence in our investigation
Speaker 3: would be found in the guest house of former Vice
Speaker 3: President Biden, and she concluded that quote, there is no
Speaker 3: way we will get that approved.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 3: Beyond that, assistant of US Attorney Wolf went even further
Speaker 3: in obstructing the investigation, and Shapley noted that quote if
Speaker 3: there was a quote big guy in the transcript, Wolf
Speaker 3: was either going to directly berate you or she was
Speaker 3: probably going to give you the silent treatment, which was
Speaker 3: one of her tactics for a couple of weeks. Weeks
Speaker 3: and talk behind your back. Now, who is this assistant
Speaker 3: US Attorney Wolf? Well, Her husband Daniel donated fourteen times
Speaker 3: to Obama for America Wow during both the two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight and the twenty twelve campaigns, seven times in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, seven times in twenty twelve for
Speaker 3: a total click.
Speaker 2: If that's a hardcore donor, people need to understand that
Speaker 2: that's not just like hey, you got a family friend
Speaker 2: and they say, hey, give a little donation cover the
Speaker 2: house for an event.
Speaker 1: That's hardcore activism.
Speaker 9: He gave a.
Speaker 3: Total of one thy one hundred and seventy five dollars,
Speaker 3: so little less than one hundred bucks each each time
Speaker 3: for the fourteen times the two of them were married
Speaker 3: in two thousand. The contributions occurred during their marriage and
Speaker 3: actually Assistant US Attorney. Wolf herself donated to Act Blue
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty in a donation earmarked for Senator Amy
Speaker 3: Klobachar's Democrat presidential campaign. She also donated to Josh Shapiro,
Speaker 3: a Democrat, in his twenty twenty two bid to become
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania governor. So you've got a prosecutor who is a
Speaker 3: Democrat donor married to another Democrat donor, who's refusing search
Speaker 3: warrants because she says, quote, the juice is not worth
Speaker 3: the squeeze. And I got to say, by the way,
Speaker 3: that's the same damn phrase the administrator at Stanford Law
Speaker 3: School said when she was siding with the mob that
Speaker 3: was heckling Judge Kyle Duncan. She says, is the juice
Speaker 3: worth the squeeze? I wonder the leftist is this some
Speaker 3: lingo in leftist world that that they're using when they're
Speaker 3: doing something wildly improper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their alibi, right, it's there, Get out of jail, car. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's just not worth it. It's not worth the turmoil or
Speaker 2: the exhaustion. It's it's part of I think the wok idiology.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, well, we just don't want to touch
Speaker 2: that right, it's not.
Speaker 3: Worth it well, and it gets worse. On December eighth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, the IRS and FBI agents wanted to interview
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden in Los Angeles. Now, Hunter Biden had Secret
Speaker 3: Service protection, and so during the preparation for the Hunter interview,
Speaker 3: Assistant US Attorney wil Wolfe specifically prohibited the agents from
Speaker 3: asking about incriminating terms of previously released emails, specifically the
Speaker 3: quote ten held by h for the Big Guy, or
Speaker 3: asking any questions about quote Dad or the Big Guy.
Speaker 3: So she made clear you're not allowed to ask about
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. We are protecting if the whistleblower is what
Speaker 3: they're saying is true. She was specifically building a wall
Speaker 3: to protect Joe Biden. Now, before they embarked on the interview,
Speaker 3: the agents discovered that the night prior, on December seventh,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, FBI headquarters notified Secret Service headquarters and word
Speaker 3: of the plan reached Hunter Biden. So the day before
Speaker 3: the interview, FBI tips off Hunter, hey, we're going to
Speaker 3: come by and question you tomorrow, and as a result,
Speaker 3: on December eighth, they learned that their plan to interview
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden changed in the new plan, including providing the
Speaker 3: Secret Service in Hunter Biden's with the agent's telephone numbers
Speaker 3: if they wished to interview him. Afterwards, the agents received
Speaker 3: phone calls from Biden's counsels indicating that they were to
Speaker 3: contact Hunter through council. So what it means is the
Speaker 3: agents were prevented from doing what's called a knock and talk,
Speaker 3: which is showing up and talking to Hunter Biden in
Speaker 3: a spontaneous way in which he could reveal critical information
Speaker 3: or falsehoods. Instead, the FBI gave him the heads up
Speaker 3: to prepare with counsel so that he could he could
Speaker 3: work with lawyers to make sure they knew exactly what
Speaker 3: he said. Two days later, on December tenth, agents met
Speaker 3: with prosecutors to discuss the fact that Hunter had vacated
Speaker 3: the Washington d C. Office of OWASCO and his documents
Speaker 3: went to a storage unit in northern Virginia. The IRS
Speaker 3: prepared a search warrant to search the storage unit, but
Speaker 3: the assistant US Attorney Wolf again objected. The investigators pressed
Speaker 3: the issue with the US Attorney Weiss, who ultimately stated
Speaker 3: that well, if the storage unit wasn't accessed for thirty
Speaker 3: days agents could execute.
Speaker 9: A search warrant on it.
Speaker 3: However, after the investigators completed their call with the US
Speaker 3: Attorney Weiss, they discovered that Assistant US Attorney Wolf had
Speaker 3: contacted Biden's counsel and told them about the storage unit.
Speaker 3: In other words, if he has incriminating evidence, the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice gave his lawyer's heads up in time to
Speaker 3: get rid of whatever incriminating evidence was there. That is
Speaker 3: not how you conduct a criminal investigation, calling ahead and saying, hey,
Speaker 3: here's where we'd like to search. We'll let you know
Speaker 3: what we're looking for, but we're just giving you the
Speaker 3: heads up ahead of time in case there might be
Speaker 3: something there you don't want us to see.
Speaker 2: Well, let me let's put this into non political terms.
Speaker 2: You as a lawyer for people that maybe don't have
Speaker 2: context here, and a lot of people don't have dealings
Speaker 2: with the FBI or with investigators in their entire life.
Speaker 2: Does any other American I'm talking rich, poor, black, white,
Speaker 2: Republican Democrat or anywhere in between, do they get tips
Speaker 2: normally from the FBI calling you saying hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to come over and maybe look at something tomorrow or
Speaker 2: in the next couple days or the next thirty days,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. Maybe people say, well, that may
Speaker 2: happen to other people. We don't know if that's necessarily
Speaker 2: just a perk of being the last named Biden. How
Speaker 2: abnormal is it center for that to happen to anyone
Speaker 2: in this country.
Speaker 3: It's extraordinarily weird. Look, search warrants are typically obtained in secrecy,
Speaker 3: specifically to avoid the destruction of evidence.
Speaker 9: Think about it.
Speaker 3: If you're executing a search warrant on a drug dealer
Speaker 3: and you say, hey, we're going to search this warehouse tomorrow, Well,
Speaker 3: you think you're gonna find any drugs there? I mean,
Speaker 3: only the stupidest criminal on earth if you tell them
Speaker 3: where you're going to search, will leave evidence there. And
Speaker 3: the fact that the Department of Justice gave them a
Speaker 3: heads up, Hey here's where they're planning to search. That
Speaker 3: suggests possible obstruction of justice. Because if you tell a
Speaker 3: witness who has evidence of a search ahead of time
Speaker 3: in order to enable that witness to destroy the evidence,
Speaker 3: that constitutes obstruction of justice.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you another question, and I know
Speaker 2: the answer, but just to put it in perspective, what's
Speaker 2: the point of investigating a person for any crime if
Speaker 2: you tell them in advance to hide and destroy the
Speaker 2: evidence of the crime that we're about to investigate, unless
Speaker 2: you're fixing that investigation to make sure purposely you find nothing.
Speaker 3: Well, they don't quite want to find nothing nothing. And
Speaker 3: we've talked about this on the podcast at length. Hunter's
Speaker 3: being set up to be the patsy, to be the
Speaker 3: fall guy. So Merrick Garland can say, I indicted to Biden.
Speaker 3: I indicted a Trump. I'm very even handed. Now let's
Speaker 3: go after Trump with everything we got. But he's being
Speaker 3: set up to be a patsy with a very soft fall,
Speaker 3: not a day in jail. So the serious crimes, Nope,
Speaker 3: don't look at it, and especially especially especially do nothing
Speaker 3: that implicates Joe Biden. And so doj assuming these allegations
Speaker 3: are correct, walls off. Joe Biden says nothing about the
Speaker 3: big guy. But it's not just protecting Joe Biden. They're
Speaker 3: also making sure that Hunter Biden avoids the most serious consequences. So,
Speaker 3: for example, US Attorney Weiss, according to the allegations from
Speaker 3: the whistleblower, attempted to bring tax charges against Hunter Biden
Speaker 3: in the district of Columbia for alleged misconduct in twenty
Speaker 3: fourteen and twenty fifteen. And by the way, that included
Speaker 3: four hundred thousand dollars in Barisma derived income. He never reported,
Speaker 3: Barisma being the Ukrainian natural gas company that is also
Speaker 3: alleged to have made a five million dollar bribe to
Speaker 3: Joe Biden.
Speaker 9: The dad.
Speaker 3: US attorney Weiss wanted to bring the case in DC
Speaker 3: around March of twenty twenty two, but he was denied.
Speaker 3: US Attorney Wis sought special council status from DOJ in
Speaker 3: spring of twenty twenty two, and he was denied. And
Speaker 3: he also attempted to bring charges in the Central District
Speaker 3: of California in the fall of twenty twenty two, which
Speaker 3: was denied in January twenty twenty three.
Speaker 9: Now why does that matter.
Speaker 3: It matters because the District of Columbia and californ d
Speaker 3: C was the sole venue for hunters twenty fourteen through
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen tax crimes, and California was the sole venue
Speaker 3: for the twenty sixteen through twenty nineteen tax crimes. And
Speaker 3: whistleblower number two, who would be the gay Democrat who's
Speaker 3: married another man, maintains that venue was not proper in
Speaker 3: Delaware for any of these tax charges. So what happened
Speaker 3: is the most potentially serious tax charges, and we're talking
Speaker 3: about millions of dollars in tax evasion. According to this allegation,
Speaker 3: DOJ prevented those charges from being filed until after the
Speaker 3: statute of limitations passed, until after the period at which
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden risked real jail time.
Speaker 2: That also means that when you and when others have
Speaker 2: talked to Mert Garland under oath at Congress, that he
Speaker 2: would have had to have been willfully and purposely lying
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Going back to the possibility Kevin McCarthy talking about this
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Speaker 2: if the iOS whistleblowers allegations are true, we will start
Speaker 2: impeachment inquiries on the ag Garland very soon, He says,
Speaker 2: I think it was by July sixth, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I lay out very queerly by July sixth. Quote because
Speaker 2: the allegations from the IRF, because the whistleblowers and the
Speaker 2: DJ or Garland, what are you saying and what David
Speaker 2: Weiss are saying privately are two different things. So talk
Speaker 2: and walk us through what happens next when it comes
Speaker 2: to Garland and is his job really in jeopardy here?
Speaker 3: I think it's in very serious jeopardy, and I think
Speaker 3: he's in real jeopardy of criminal prosecution. If these allegations
Speaker 3: are correct, I believe the Attorney General likely committed at
Speaker 3: least one, if not multiple, felonies. The Attorney General flat
Speaker 3: out said under oath that there was no political interference
Speaker 3: in this investigation. The Attorney General has also said that
Speaker 3: David Weiss could pursue whatever facts he saw fit and
Speaker 3: could bring whatever case he wanted. If these whistleblowers are correct,
Speaker 3: that David Weiss wanted to bring a case in DC
Speaker 3: and was denied, wanted to bring a case in Central District,
Speaker 3: California and was denied. If the allegations are correct, the
Speaker 3: Department of Justice repeatedly blocked search warrants and tipped off
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden to search warrants that were being executed. All
Speaker 3: of that means that what Merrick Garland said was flat
Speaker 3: out false, and that people reporting to Merrick Garland, very
Speaker 3: possibly at his direction that has not yet been determined,
Speaker 3: were obstructing justice. But look, the most damning element of
Speaker 3: these IRS whistleblower testimonies is what was uncovered during an
Speaker 3: electronic search, which is a July thirtieth, twenty seventeen text
Speaker 3: exchange from the encrypted messaging service WhatsApp, and it was
Speaker 3: between Hunter Biden and Henry Zoo, who is a Chinese
Speaker 3: national who is an executive of CEFC China Energy and
Speaker 3: a communist party affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party of
Speaker 3: the government. We talked about this WhatsApp quite a bit
Speaker 3: on Monday's pod, but I want to read it again
Speaker 3: because it is central is the single most important element
Speaker 3: of this testimony.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, by the way, before you read it, I
Speaker 2: want everybody to count something. Count how many times in
Speaker 2: this text message that Hunter Biden invokes his father sitting
Speaker 2: next to me, he's next to me? Count how many times?
Speaker 2: Because it's clear that this shows what we've all suspected,
Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden is nothing more than a bagman and
Speaker 2: all the real juice is coming from the big guy.
Speaker 3: So here's the WhatsApp from Hunter quote. I am sitting
Speaker 3: here with my father, and we would like to understand
Speaker 3: that's two why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.
Speaker 3: Tell the director that I would like to resolve this
Speaker 3: now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight,
Speaker 3: and z if I get a caller text from anyone
Speaker 3: involved in this other than you, zanger the chair, I
Speaker 3: will make certain that between the man sitting next to
Speaker 3: me that's three and every person he knows that's four,
Speaker 3: and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you
Speaker 3: will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here
Speaker 3: waiting for the call with my father.
Speaker 1: That's five five times.
Speaker 9: So five times he invokes daddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I'm running this business and the kingpin,
Speaker 2: the godfather is sitting next to me, and five times
Speaker 2: you know who's really running the business.
Speaker 3: Now that they're only a handful of possible responses that
Speaker 3: Hunter and Joe Biden could could could put to exonerate themselves. One,
Speaker 3: they could say this is false, that that that this
Speaker 3: message was never sent, it's fraudulent.
Speaker 9: That's that's possible. I don't think it's terribly likely, but
Speaker 9: they could say that, Uh, they haven't said that.
Speaker 3: Two, they could say, well, yes, Hunter said it, but
Speaker 3: he was lying. Joe Biden wasn't sitting there with him,
Speaker 3: even though he was threatening government retribution from his father.
Speaker 3: Hunter was freelancing and doing on his own. Joe knew
Speaker 3: nothing about it. That's a second possibility. They haven't said that. Instead, Well, here,
Speaker 3: look at listen to what number one. Listen to what
Speaker 3: Joe Biden said when he was asked whether he was
Speaker 3: lying when he said he never discussed business dealings with
Speaker 3: his son Hunter.
Speaker 1: There's music there.
Speaker 2: It's very clear that you hear him yell no, implying
Speaker 2: I didn't lie about never speaking to Hunter about my
Speaker 2: business dealings.
Speaker 1: Did you ever lie? No? He says it there clearly,
Speaker 1: and he's irritated.
Speaker 3: No, and that's it. He hasn't said that this was
Speaker 3: that message is false. He hasn't said that he wasn't
Speaker 3: sitting there with Hunter Biden. He hasn't said that that
Speaker 3: Hunter didn't have a was freelancing and doing it on
Speaker 3: his own. He just is flat out stonewalling. Nope, I
Speaker 3: never lied. Piss off. I don't have to tell you anything.
Speaker 3: And by the way, it's not just Joe Biden that
Speaker 3: is saying no, piss off. Listen to the White what
Speaker 3: the White House press folksperson said when confronted about the
Speaker 3: very clear conflicts between what the Department of Justice has
Speaker 3: said and what the IRS whistleblowers have said.
Speaker 5: Don last week, does the White House leeve Betorney General
Speaker 5: Garland committed perjury when he testified under a Delaware US
Speaker 5: Attorney David West coopering terms outside.
Speaker 1: Of this district. I don't have any comment on this, Anita,
Speaker 1: go ahead and tend to Steven.
Speaker 2: I'm moving on, Anita, I love that part. I'm moving
Speaker 2: on right, Steven, shut up, I'm moving on.
Speaker 3: Notice, it's the same thing John Kirby said. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to answer you. Nope, I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 3: By the way, there's no reason that she can't answer.
Speaker 3: There was no reason why John Kirby couldn't answer other
Speaker 3: than oh crap, this is a really hard question. This
Speaker 3: is a bad question. We're in trouble, so we're not
Speaker 3: going to address the facts. We're not going to give
Speaker 3: a denial. We're not going to say it's false. We're
Speaker 3: just going to say no, that's our answer. We will
Speaker 3: not answer. And by the way, what the hell's wrong
Speaker 3: with ABC News? How come they didn't cover it? What
Speaker 3: the hell's wrong with NBC, CNN, MSNBC Are they actually
Speaker 3: do they even pretend to be news organizations anymore? Are
Speaker 3: any of them sitting there going wait? Why is CBS
Speaker 3: covering this? And what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Not only that, but I want to go back to
Speaker 2: what you read earlier, that text message, and it's being
Speaker 2: reported now by the New York Post and Marina Divine
Speaker 2: that after that WhatsApp text was sent right where Hunter
Speaker 2: is warnings now that if he does not comply quote,
Speaker 2: I'll make certain that between the man sitting next to
Speaker 2: me and every person he knows, am I ability to
Speaker 2: to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not
Speaker 2: following my direction. I'm saying here waiting for the call
Speaker 2: with my father. Apparently Center within a week, five point
Speaker 2: one million was wired to Hunter by CEF HE, according
Speaker 2: to bank records published now by Senator Chuck Grassley and
Speaker 2: Ron Johnson that actually was published back in September of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. You now connect that with this whats app text.
Speaker 2: The payment of five point one million showed up within
Speaker 2: a week. We already knew that, we just didn't know
Speaker 2: about this WhatsApp text well.
Speaker 3: And it certainly suggests that the Chinese communists we're afraid
Speaker 3: of retribution from Joe Biden. And notice Hunter's Hunter's message
Speaker 3: where he says, tell the director that I would like
Speaker 3: to resolve this now before it gets out of hand,
Speaker 3: and now means tonight. You know, when's the last time
Speaker 3: you've texted someone with that kind of assumption of authority
Speaker 3: that you've got them where it hurts and they got
Speaker 3: to do what you want.
Speaker 9: Now means tonight. You're not allowed to get back to
Speaker 9: me tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I want the five point one million tonight or the
Speaker 3: big guys coming after you know. To be clear, that's
Speaker 3: a paraphrase. May not be what it meant, but it
Speaker 3: sure sounds like it.
Speaker 2: When you invoke the guy five times sitting next to you.
Speaker 2: To me, that's exactly what it means. And I don't
Speaker 2: think that's stretching at all to imply that in any capacity.
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Speaker 2: of this. You know, you look at the Chinese balloon
Speaker 2: that went across America. You look at how the White
Speaker 2: House handle it. They shot it down after the fact,
Speaker 2: you start looking at how China has been able to
Speaker 2: do things militarily without basically an American response. You look
Speaker 2: how weak Anthony Blincoln looked when he went and met
Speaker 2: with the Chinese. Recently, you look at what China has
Speaker 2: been able to do pretty much anywhere around the world,
Speaker 2: even in things in the Middle East as well as
Speaker 2: with Russia. And you gotta wonder, is it because Joe
Speaker 2: Biden is compromised. And there's also another part that irks me,
Speaker 2: the fact that you can control possibly the agenda of
Speaker 2: the United States of America for five point one million
Speaker 2: to him and five point one million to his son.
Speaker 2: That also just scares the hell out of me. Center
Speaker 2: that ten million dollars can control a nation. It almost
Speaker 2: offends me that that's how little they it took for
Speaker 2: them to be an essence bought off.
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you, Ben, if this WhatsApp is accurate.
Speaker 3: You know who also had a copy of it, Henry Zau,
Speaker 3: which means the Chinese Communist government had it. And this
Speaker 3: was sent in twenty seventeen. Presumably the Chinese Communist government
Speaker 3: has had it since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 9: That's six years ago.
Speaker 3: It's incredibly damning when it came out now, but it
Speaker 3: would have been incredibly damning if it came out six
Speaker 3: months ago, or a year ago, or two years ago
Speaker 3: or three years ago, or in the middle of the
Speaker 3: presidential campaign. If it had come out in the middle
Speaker 3: of the presidential campaign, it might well have cost Joe
Speaker 3: Biden a ton of votes. It might well have kept
Speaker 3: him out of the White House. And so that's an
Speaker 3: awful lot of ability for the Chinese Communists to have
Speaker 3: an ACE card up their sleeve. Not to mention the
Speaker 3: specific records of what money was wired to whom and
Speaker 3: what it was for. You have to assume this WhatsApp
Speaker 3: is not the only communication. Notice that this is in
Speaker 3: the middle of an ongoing discussion, and we might know
Speaker 3: more of that if the Biden DOJ had not been
Speaker 3: tipping Off's lawyers or even the Trump DOJ, because some
Speaker 3: of this was the deep state, was Democrats in the
Speaker 3: Department of Justice who were obstructing this or at least
Speaker 3: allegedly obstructing this investigation early on.
Speaker 9: And I do want to.
Speaker 3: Note the CBS report made a big point of emphasizing
Speaker 3: Trump appointed US Attorney David Weiss. As we talked about
Speaker 3: on Monday's podcast, US attorneys are appointed only with the
Speaker 3: approval of the senators from that state. In Delaware, there
Speaker 3: are two Democratic senators, Chris Kuns and to Chris Coons
Speaker 3: and Tom Carper. The two of them had to have
Speaker 3: signed off on David Weiss or he never could have
Speaker 3: gotten appointed. And so as much as the media wants
Speaker 3: to lean into Trump appointed, there's nothing about David Weiss
Speaker 3: to suggest he is in any way, shape or form
Speaker 3: a Trump partisan.
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