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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the freak that police say attacked,

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Speaker 2: murdered and I believe molested a little eleven year old girl,

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Speaker 2: Audrey Cunningham refuses to put on a pair of pants

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Speaker 2: to appear in front of the judge.

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Speaker 3: So if he's going to act like that to a

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Speaker 3: judge with.

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Speaker 2: Complete disdain and disrespect, how do you think he treated

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Speaker 2: an eleven year old little girl behind closed doors? This

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Speaker 2: guy had full access to the home of an eleven

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Speaker 2: one year old girl, a guy with a very lengthy

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Speaker 2: rap sheet including boy, this is like putting perfume on

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Speaker 2: the pig enticing a child another little girl. He got

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Speaker 2: into bed with her and wrestled off her underwear in pjs.

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Speaker 2: He had access to her home too, and now Audrey

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Speaker 2: is dead.

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Speaker 4: This guy, in the last hours.

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Speaker 3: We learned, will not even put on his clothes.

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Speaker 2: To come before a judge. This as we also learn man,

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Speaker 2: this guy is he should win the oscar because he

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Speaker 2: managed to put on quite the show, going door to door,

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Speaker 2: knocking on doors saying have you seen Audrey.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for Audrey.

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Speaker 2: Knowing full well, according to police, that he had murdered

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Speaker 2: her by blunt force trauma to her head, her pants

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Speaker 2: found far away from her body at the river's edge,

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Speaker 2: her body tied to a rock by a rope, and

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Speaker 2: according to Tim Miller from Equa Search, her body was

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Speaker 2: caught in an eddy, just swirling round and round and

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Speaker 2: round and round. Yeah him, I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on Serious XEM one eleven before I

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Speaker 2: address McDougall, butt naked, wearing nothing but all of his

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Speaker 2: hate tattoos. To go in front of a judge like

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Speaker 2: that and they try to get him to get dressed,

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Speaker 2: he won't do it. That said, before I get to

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Speaker 2: a naked McDougall going door to door, Hey, have you

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Speaker 2: seen Audrey knowing all the while he killed her? Before

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Speaker 2: we get into that, Liz, please turn on Audrey's mom,

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Speaker 2: Miss Matthews, sound so she can hear me. Now joining

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Speaker 2: me right now is Audrey's mother. There's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of speculation about her, A lot of mean things have

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Speaker 2: been said about her online. I want you to meet

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Speaker 2: Cassie Matthew's Ms Matthews. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, I just I want to do everything that

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Speaker 5: I can for my baby.

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Speaker 2: Miss Matthews. Everyone's joining me is Cassie Matthews. This is

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Speaker 2: little Audrey Cunningham's mother. Audrey eleven years old when she

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Speaker 2: was killed. Audrey, when I look at her, Miss Cassie

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Speaker 2: is just so full of joy and life. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at a picture of her now with a little white

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Speaker 2: and now she's got on a little black T shirt

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Speaker 2: and looks like a little pocketbook strapped over her shoulder.

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Speaker 2: She's just so precious, looked so well taken care of.

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Speaker 2: How in the hay do you believe this happened, Miss Matthews.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand how it happened at all.

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Speaker 6: I don't understand how they put so much effort into

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Speaker 6: keeping her from me, but they couldn't put the same

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Speaker 6: effort into knowing the people that they had around her.

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Speaker 2: Miss Matthews. What happened when you discovered that Audrey was missing?

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Speaker 2: How did you find that out? Or did you know

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Speaker 5: So it was Thursday evening. I'm going to say it

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Speaker 5: was like seven o'clock.

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Speaker 6: Tabitha herself had gone and contacted or went to the

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Speaker 6: home of my fiance's mother and was asking her if

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Speaker 6: she knew where we were, if we were there and

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Speaker 6: had said Audrey was missing. Now his mother instantly calls him,

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Speaker 6: of course, and she she she makes her get on

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Speaker 6: missing and asking me if I had seen her, And

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Speaker 6: of course I no, I haven't seen her. I honestly

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Speaker 6: wanted to ask her if it was a sick joke,

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Speaker 6: but I I didn't. And I'm used to a lot

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Speaker 6: of crazy things from that family. So so when she

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Speaker 6: said no, she's she's missing.

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Speaker 4: Did they call you immediately?

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Speaker 6: Of course, my fiance's mom called him instantly, and she

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Speaker 6: told him that I needed to be on the phone asap,

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Speaker 2: Why didn't she want I mean, I would think she

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Speaker 5: I haven't had any type of contact.

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Speaker 6: I had the last bit of contact that I had

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Speaker 6: with Josh where I was once again begging to see

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Speaker 6: Whatever I needed to do, I had to do that

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Speaker 6: through my fiance's messenger.

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Speaker 3: Why were they keeping you away from Audrey?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: They said it was for her protection, but I still

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Speaker 6: don't understand.

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Speaker 2: So the grandma shows up your fiance's mom's place.

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Speaker 4: Looking for Audrey.

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Speaker 2: Then your fiance's mom has her call you, and.

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Speaker 4: What did she say?

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Speaker 6: She tells me that she's missing. She didn't make it

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Speaker 6: home off the bus. Asked me if I had seen her.

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Speaker 4: When they asked for is Audrey? What did you say?

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Speaker 6: I of course told them I haven't seen her, And

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Speaker 6: of course I haven't seen her.

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Speaker 5: You and your son haven't let me see my daughter

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Speaker 5: in how long now?

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Speaker 6: But I didn't because I instantly wanted to know where

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Speaker 6: my daughter was.

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Speaker 5: That was the thing that took over.

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Speaker 2: He also asked the grandma, where is Stephen? And we

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Speaker 2: know that to be Stephen McDougall.

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Speaker 1: Why, yes, I did.

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Speaker 6: I had told her about him messaging me out of

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Speaker 6: the blue the night before and told her that he

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Speaker 6: had said to me that he was going to take

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Speaker 6: her to school that morning, and I asked her where

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Speaker 6: he was and had she seen him? And she went

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Speaker 6: from hysterical to stuttering, I.

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Speaker 2: Gotta go, you told me earlier. She went from calm

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Speaker 6: and she had to go.

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Speaker 2: As soon as she realized that Stephen McDougall yes had

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Speaker 2: been with Audrey, she had to go and hung up

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Speaker 2: with the fine It was.

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Speaker 5: Her stuttering the word.

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Speaker 6: She didn't have anything else to say other than I

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Speaker 6: got to go now. In the nine to one one call,

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Speaker 6: you can clearly hear him in the background.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we are speaking with Cassie Matthews. This is Audrey

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Speaker 2: Cunningham's mother. What happened after that? After she hangs up?

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 6: I'm about to melt down. I hit my knees, I prayed.

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Speaker 6: My fiance is sitting there trying to comfort me, but

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Speaker 6: I didn't even want him to touch me.

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Speaker 5: I didn't understand what was going on.

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Speaker 6: I'm pacing a rut in my house, just wondering where

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Speaker 6: she could be, where I could look, what I could do.

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Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the officers.

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Speaker 6: When officers finally showed up, they asked if they could

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Speaker 6: search my home, and of course I asked him if

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Speaker 6: I needed to step outside. Whatever made them more comfortable,

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Speaker 6: get that done and start looking for my baby.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: I tried to ask a couple questions, and they just

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Speaker 6: then left. Nobody really answered any questions for me for.

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Speaker 5: A long time.

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Speaker 2: What was the next thing that happened in your world?

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Speaker 6: Well, the next thing that happened was I am being

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Speaker 6: advised that it would probably be best well advised but

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Speaker 6: not advised, which makes no sense to me, but that

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Speaker 6: is what has been said.

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Speaker 5: That I should stay put in my own home.

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Speaker 6: And then shortly after that, I me and my fiance

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Speaker 6: and the roommate that we have at the time, we're

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Speaker 6: getting picked up by the Sheriff's office and you know, investigators.

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Speaker 6: We go and we spend I think it was almost

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Speaker 6: sixteen hours up there.

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Speaker 5: Now the entire time, I'm being.

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Speaker 6: Asked twenty million questions that I'm able to answer with

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Speaker 6: no problem. They keep trying to say to me, I

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Speaker 6: feel like there's something you're not telling us. I feel

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Speaker 6: like there's something you're not telling us. Well, Finally I

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, who took you where the Sheriff's department?

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Speaker 6: And they had a few of the investigators with them.

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Speaker 6: They took us up to the Polk County.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department, time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: So you were there, your fiance was there, and your

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Speaker 2: really about where's Audrey?

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Speaker 4: When have you last seen her?

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Speaker 2: Did you take her, did you hide her? Questions of

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Speaker 6: And about the messages between Steve and I from the

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Speaker 6: night before.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now that's very curious, Cassie, because I find those

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Speaker 2: text messages that McDougall sent you very very incriminating for him,

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Speaker 2: because he is playing on your emotions.

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Speaker 4: He knows how much you want to see Audrey.

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Speaker 2: And he's saying, I can get her to you come

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Speaker 2: meet me down by the river. So basically, Cassie, McDougall

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Speaker 2: to the river where her body was later found. Why

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Speaker 2: was he doing that and claiming he was going to

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Speaker 4: What was he what was his game?

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Speaker 5: Well, when he first approached me.

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Speaker 6: And see when I say approached me, it was all

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Speaker 6: through Facebook, Messeger. I've never had his number or anything

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Speaker 6: which was instant red flag. I didn't understand. But he

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Speaker 6: that he was concerned about what Audrey wanted and how

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Speaker 6: was desperate for anything. I wanted, pictures, I wanted, I

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Speaker 6: just anything that had.

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Speaker 5: To do with my daughter. And for a minute I

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Speaker 5: could have believed that.

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Speaker 6: But then I thought more into it, and I just

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Speaker 6: knew something was wrong, and I had been speaking to

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Speaker 6: my family about it. I've been telling my my fiance

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Speaker 6: told me from the jump not to associate with him

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Speaker 6: in any way, do not.

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Speaker 5: But he doesn't understand.

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Speaker 6: How I was feeling when I just I was craving

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Speaker 6: something something of my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Did you have any idea this freak was your daughter's babysitter.

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Speaker 6: Not until he had messaged me, and I had tried

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Speaker 6: to contact Josh wondering what the.

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Speaker 5: Is going on?

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Speaker 6: And I asked my family over and over again if

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Speaker 6: no answer. I wanted to know why a man that

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Speaker 6: nobody knows is being left with my eleven year old daughter.

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Speaker 6: two people that don't exist, not looking in a river.

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Speaker 3: Question, So you believe this was part of a bigger plan.

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Speaker 2: Why do you believe, Cassie he needed in his mind

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Speaker 5: I don't understand that at all. Actually, I can.

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Speaker 6: Understand the little bit of hatred that he would have

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Speaker 5: I have no idea why he felt the need to Actually,

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Speaker 6: But I think that in a pedophile's mind, they see

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Speaker 5: An adult would see another adult.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I feel like maybe he was in love with

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Speaker 6: But what if he was in But what if he

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Speaker 6: was in love with my daughter? What if he tried

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Speaker 6: he knew that she would tell That is what I think.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe he had already molested her?

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Do you know that I didn't find out that her

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Speaker 6: with Tim Miller.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, Cassie, I didn't know either

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Speaker 4: And he told me live.

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Speaker 2: At that moment, I didn't know that either, and it

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Speaker 4: How did you I'm.

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Speaker 5: Really trying to hold it together.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Cassie. I am so sorry.

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Speaker 5: I'm sick. I'm stick to my stomach. Guy, I don't understand, Cassie.

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Speaker 2: How did you learn that they had found Audrey?

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Speaker 5: A lady from the Sheriff's department and one of the

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Speaker 5: jailers I believe was sent to my home to tell

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Speaker 6: She was really good to me, But I just knew

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Speaker 6: because I hadn't gotten out of bed.

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Speaker 5: I was just stuck in my bed.

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Speaker 6: When he had come to me and said that there

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Speaker 6: and that they they needed to speak with me, I knew.

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Speaker 4: I knew, you know what, Cassie. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: But when I found out that I was supposed to

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Speaker 4: I knew he was dead. I knew right then.

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Speaker 2: So when you hear there's a sheriff lady at the door,

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Speaker 2: you knew that Audrey was gone.

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Speaker 4: I knew.

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Speaker 6: My stomach dropped, my heart just everything to stop for

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Speaker 6: a minute, honestly, and I felt like I couldn't breathe

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Speaker 4: What did she say? Did she reveal anything?

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Speaker 6: No, she just she looked at me in my face,

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Speaker 6: asked me to sit down, and then she said, this

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Speaker 6: is not news that I want to be giving you

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Speaker 6: right now. And I just I started bawling, and she

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Speaker 6: she was like, yeah, you know, baby, you know, and

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Speaker 6: then she was right.

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Speaker 5: And honestly, I still don't know how to pro any

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Speaker 5: of this. If you want me to be nothing.

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Speaker 6: But truthful, I am in search for a therapist at

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Speaker 6: the moment because I have been a manic depressident with

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Speaker 6: so scared that this is going to be a depression

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Speaker 5: I feel numb. I don't feel much of anything else

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Speaker 5: at all. I feel numb. I don't sleep, I don't

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Speaker 5: I just sit.

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Speaker 6: There and I watch videos and look at pictures and

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Speaker 6: I read all of these comments on the internet, and

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Speaker 6: that's all I could do. All I could do is

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Speaker 6: I can have someone sitting right next to me and

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Speaker 6: they're talking to me and I don't hear a word

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Speaker 2: Because I'm Tessy. I'm going to hook you up with

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Speaker 2: a therapist. I've got somebody for you, a lady for

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Speaker 2: you to talk to, and I'll hook you up with

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Speaker 2: her in just a few moments. Cassie, did you have

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Speaker 2: any idea about McDougall's record.

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Speaker 4: Why was he.

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Speaker 2: Living in the back yard, Why did he have access

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Speaker 2: to the home?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 6: I had no idea until I made the Facebook post

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Speaker 6: and people started commenting. Because as much effort as put

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Speaker 6: same type of effort into knowing the people that were around.

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Speaker 6: If I would have known that I needed to do

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Speaker 6: her father's job because he didn't give a shoe to

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Speaker 6: do it, I would have known.

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Speaker 5: But I knew. I knew from the jump.

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Speaker 2: Some people. I've got a question for you, Cassie. You

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Speaker 2: said that as soon as you told your fiance, he

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Speaker 2: wants to meet me down by the river, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to bring Audrey. Your fiance immediately said, do not

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Speaker 2: talk to this guy, stay away from him. Did your

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Speaker 2: fiance did everybody.

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Speaker 4: Know this guy was bad news? Why would he say that.

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Speaker 6: He did not like the fact that he was like

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Speaker 6: persistent on trying to get me alone. He said that

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Speaker 6: he had a bad feeling about him and that there's

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Speaker 6: just something wasn't right. And my fiance is an excellent

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Speaker 6: judge of character. Who really is was right?

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Speaker 4: Question to you?

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Speaker 2: Did you discover that McDougall was actually going door to

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Speaker 2: door like he was looking for Audrey.

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Speaker 5: That that's the part right there that.

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Speaker 6: Just infuriates me to the point where I could put

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Speaker 6: my hands around his throat and squeeze and not stop.

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Speaker 6: How do you know, damn good and well which you

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Speaker 6: did to my daughter? And then and then you search

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Speaker 6: for her like you care. You don't care.

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Speaker 5: You killed my daughter, and then you want to and

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Speaker 5: then you want to search.

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Speaker 2: For when you found out that Audrey was missing, it's

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Speaker 2: sick and mcdoogal.

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Speaker 4: Rights he was taking her to the bus.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever text him or call him and say

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Speaker 2: where's Audrey?

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Speaker 6: He messaged me actually and he said, hey, have you

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Speaker 6: seen Audrey. She didn't make it home off the bus,

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Speaker 6: and I said, where the is my kid, Stephen?

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Speaker 5: Because I just I knew.

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Speaker 4: He was trying to cover his tracks.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he was trying in some way to

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Speaker 3: set you up.

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Speaker 2: I can't figure it out, but I guarantee you this,

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Speaker 2: Miss Matthews, I will figure it out.

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Speaker 5: You're not the first person to say that.

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Speaker 2: And I want you to know not only are we

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Speaker 2: praying and thinking about you, we're not letting go of

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Speaker 2: this until this guy gets a Texas death penalty.

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Speaker 4: I know you don't care if he gets a death penalty.

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Speaker 4: Other people do.

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Speaker 6: I actually don't want him to receive the death penalty,

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Speaker 6: only because.

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Speaker 5: I am not God.

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Speaker 6: It is not my place to, you know, judge when

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Speaker 6: somebody else's life ends, and that to me, is an

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Speaker 6: easy way out for him. I have to live with

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Speaker 6: to my daughter, and I feel like he should get

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Speaker 6: life without parole, so he has to deal with all

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Speaker 6: of the repercussions every single day for the rest of

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Speaker 6: his life just as well.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he cares?

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Speaker 2: Do you think mcdoogal will in jail a sorry and

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Speaker 2: let me say something, he can get right with God

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Speaker 2: on his way to hell.

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Speaker 6: No, I never expect him at all to even have

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Speaker 6: things that he did to my daughter. But the other

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Speaker 6: people that he will have around him, well, damn sure

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Speaker 6: make sure that he does not enjoy a single minute

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Speaker 6: of it.

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Speaker 4: Miss Matthews.

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Speaker 2: I want you to try, and I know these are

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Speaker 2: just words that don't mean anything. You've got to stay

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Speaker 2: strong because you've got to make sure there is justice

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Speaker 2: for Audrey. You have got to stay strong, don't fall

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Speaker 2: into that depression and spiral down to where you can't

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Speaker 2: get out.

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Speaker 4: You've got to be her.

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Speaker 2: Mom now and stay strong and be her voice because

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Speaker 2: nobody else has been her voice, and now it's on you, Cassie.

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Speaker 4: You got to be her voice and you can do that.

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Speaker 6: I failed my daughter once by being bullied into submission

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Speaker 6: and being made to believe that she was in a

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Speaker 5: But I will not fill my daughter again. Nancy. That's

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Speaker 5: everybody thinks that I don't care that I'm I'm shrugging it. Off.

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Speaker 6: Oh she's not crying, She's not this, she's not that. No,

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Speaker 6: I break down in my home where I'm comfortable. My

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Speaker 6: grieving is not everyone's business. But what is everyone's business

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Speaker 6: is the fact that this isn't over and things need

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Speaker 6: to be done concerning my daughter. So if I got

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Speaker 6: to keep a straight face and I gotta I gotta

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Speaker 6: look heartless for it, well so be it. But if

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Speaker 6: I'm sitting there breaking down, I'm not getting a damn

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Speaker 6: thing done.

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Speaker 2: Who cares what they think. All that matters now is

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Speaker 2: what God thinks and getting justice.

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Speaker 4: That's all that matters right now. Yes, ma'am Cassie, thank

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Speaker 4: you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, joining me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 2: of what we know right now. But before we get

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Speaker 2: going with them, you've got to hear.

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Speaker 4: It from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to McDougall as they're trying to get

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Speaker 2: justice and the peace of the judge.

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Speaker 8: Come on, JP.

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Speaker 4: Wants to talk to you. Where's your total We'll put

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Speaker 4: your smile from that. Come on out here.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no, man, come on, man, don't disrespect me

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Speaker 9: like well, wrap up.

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Speaker 2: In that.

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Speaker 10: Come on, you have vitor nine silent, not make any

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Speaker 10: statement at all, and don't have any statement that you

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Speaker 10: may again, we'll be used against.

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00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 7: You a trial in court.

451
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 10: You have the right town attorney, present advisor which advised

452
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 10: you hior to question.

453
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: You are hearing Stephen McDougall behind bars refusing.

454
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: To put on any pants. What a stubborn jackass.

455
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: Now, doctor Bethany Marshall, You're the shrink, not me, Bethany Marshall.

456
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: High profile psychoanalysts joining us out of l A at

457
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: Dr Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I mean my

458
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: diagnosis is his jackass?

459
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 4: What's yours?

460
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 7: Well?

461
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: I thought two things.

462
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 11: One, well, the officers has said he was being disrespectful,

463
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 11: but I was wondering if he was lingering a psychiatric illness,

464
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 11: like acting crazy to get.

465
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 12: A more lenient sentence.

466
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 4: The other thing I wondered was.

467
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 12: Did he have an erection? And the reason I wonder

468
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 12: that is he's already a child molester allegedly, is he

469
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 12: also an exhibitionist? Because all these perversions tend to go

470
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 12: hand in hand. So I don't know if the officer

471
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 12: is allowed to stay. But that was one of my first.

472
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: Questions, Can I ask you something, doctor Bethany, How is

473
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: put on your clothes? How is that some kind of

474
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: stimulant to give him an erection? If anything, I think

475
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: my diagnosis is much better than yours, Doctor Bethany.

476
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 5: What is yours?

477
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: He's a track ass, I mean, you know, and there's

478
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: more to it than just that. Lana Shadwick joining me,

479
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction where Audrey was murdered,

480
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: where I believe this little eleven year old girl was molested.

481
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: What does that mean again, I'm the one putting the

482
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: perfume on the pig. It means she was either raped

483
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: or sodomized or both. This girl, this little girl is

484
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: dead from blunt force trauma, and I believe.

485
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: She was molested before she was killed.

486
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Lana Shadwick joining me, former judge and prosecutor in this

487
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: in this jurisdiction, now legal analyst for Breitbart.

488
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: You can find her Atlantashadwick dot com Lanta.

489
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: Really, he wouldn't put on his clothes, and you know

490
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people would say, oh, that's wrong to

491
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: make him appear wearing a blanket.

492
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 7: B s.

493
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: That's his decision. If he wants to show his rear

494
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 4: end that way, then he can.

495
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: The constitution doesn't protect him from his own personality, No

496
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't.

497
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: And he's a psychopath.

498
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 7: I mean, anyone who could number one go the next

499
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 7: morning and be at a donut shop right across from

500
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 7: the courthouse. The judges can see you out the windows.

501
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 4: How delusional are you?

502
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Go house?

503
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 7: The house, you know, and where's where's Audrey? Where's Audrey?

504
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 7: Clearly the sign of a psychopath. A psychopath that murders,

505
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 7: that blors people in there's social media accounts that says,

506
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 7: you appear to be a nice guy at times, but

507
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 7: he's a psychopath.

508
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 12: But Nancy, he's also a very attention getting psychopath.

509
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 13: He loves the attention, you know, going to the donut shop,

510
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 13: going to help the house.

511
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 12: Of course he's trying to draw attention away from him.

512
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 13: But on the other hand, you use the term jack House,

513
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 13: and I would say histrionic jack House, and that means

514
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 13: somebody who just loves being in the limelight and loves

515
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 13: getting the attention. And who's he trying to get attention

516
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 13: from little kids? I mean, that is one's so alarming

517
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 13: and frightening and disturbing about all of this histrionic.

518
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: You know, it reminds me of a little old lady

519
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: that lived in my hometown, rural bib County, in the

520
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: middle of Georgia, on a red dirt road.

521
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: No matter whose.

522
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: Funeral it was, she would wait till right before.

523
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: The family came in and walked down the aisle being

524
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: assisted on both sides and carried up front. And somehow

525
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: every funeral and every wedding was about her. That's how

526
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: I define histrionic.

527
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: It's just over the top drama and it's all about you. Yeah,

528
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: I can see that, but I'm still sticking with jackass.

529
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective,

530
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: over three hundred homicides under his belt that he's investigated,

531
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: a work toom. I found him in the interview room

532
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: that's his YouTube channel during the Coburger trial, I mean

533
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: the Coburger investigation, Chris McDonough.

534
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: When you get a defendant like that, Chris, I had.

535
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: A guy, a drug lord. He had very violent and

536
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: the Constitution doesn't protect.

537
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: You from yourself. Guess what he wore to court?

538
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: He wore red bright fire engine red leather pants and

539
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: a bright fire engine red leather barmber jacket, tons of

540
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: gold chains. And guess what the witness said about the

541
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: park that was selling dope that night. He had on

542
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: a red leather jacket and red leather pants. I was

543
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: so happy the constitution did not protect him from his

544
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: own personality. Same thing here McDonough. God won't even get

545
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 2: dressed to seat go in front of the judge. They

546
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: have to force him to put on a blanket to

547
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: cover up his penis and his naked rear. End.

548
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 14: It's just another slap in the face to the system

549
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 14: as a whole. On this guy always felt that he

550
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 14: was above the system. Look how he played the cops.

551
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 14: Just in that clip Nancy, out by the subway, he's

552
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 14: just leaning against the car, you know, like he's having

553
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 14: an everyday chut chat.

554
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: I want to see that, Liz, if you could put

555
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: that up and you also have video lists from the

556
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: other side, and I can see him just you.

557
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: Know, rare it all propped up on the back of

558
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: that car. Yep, that's it, and I can see it.

559
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: He's moving, but he's just casually kicked back.

560
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Chris McDonald's right, he's not worried why nobody's going to

561
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: testify against him because the victim is dead. He knows that,

562
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: and here he is refusing to come into court and

563
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: with clothes on. Guys, take a listen to the judge

564
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: speaking to McDougall.

565
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 10: You're righting jermy interviewed at anytime you have the right

566
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 10: Jens and and driver Orcus of Abel, do you entertain

567
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 10: to right them?

568
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: So?

569
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 7: Do you want to report the attorney.

570
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 5: You're gonna hire your o?

571
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: Which one.

572
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 7: You're gonna hire your own?

573
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 12: Listens?

574
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 5: All right, I need some friend here for me your

575
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: charges capital murder, and it's an obn.

576
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: Okay.

577
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Bob Price, and Bob is

578
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: associate editor c your news contributor, Bright Bart.

579
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: Bob, thank you for being with us. I love this judge.

580
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: First of all, I also want to thank kat RK

581
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: for getting that video because I can tell you about.

582
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: It till I'm blue in the face.

583
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: But a picture speaks a million words, a video two million,

584
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: So thanks kat RK. Bob Price, I love this judge.

585
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: She's like, here's a guy covered in tattoos.

586
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: I'm about to be arraigned in the murder, and I.

587
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: Believe we're going to see six charges as well.

588
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm an eleven year old girl. He's butt naked. They

589
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: forced him to use a blanket. She just keeps right

590
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: on reading his rights. She doesn't care, doesn't blink, and

591
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: I love her.

592
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: Nancy.

593
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 8: I was told that he actually dropped the blanket in

594
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 8: front of the judge as well. You know, it's clearly

595
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 8: he's reaching for attention. And this is one despicable human being.

596
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 8: And I'm using the term human being very loosely here.

597
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 8: He's an animal. And you can tell by not only

598
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 8: what he did to Audrey Cunningham, but other people throughout

599
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 8: his life. Was he pled guilty to a charge in

600
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 8: Montgomery County, just fifty miles away from here in December,

601
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 8: and had he been sentenced on that case, he would

602
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 8: have been in jail and not been able to take

603
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 8: this action against Audrey. And then we had other cases.

604
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 8: There's so many times this seemingly irrelevant string of events

605
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 8: that all came together leading to Audrey's murder, where one

606
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 8: single action could have changed the course of Audrey's life

607
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 8: and saved her life. And yet time and time and

608
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 8: time again, Stephen McDougall was given another chance. The father

609
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 8: said he wanted to give him another chance. He committed

610
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 8: at least three assaults that I know of in the

611
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 8: last quarter of the last year. I don't know what

612
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 8: second chance this guy thinks he deserves, or what anybody

613
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 8: else around him thinks he deserves. He's the law enforcement

614
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 8: sources inside the jail say that he is clearly a psychopath,

615
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 8: but they said he's also very competent to stand trial.

616
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: And I'm going to circle back with doctor Bethany Marshall

617
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: the fact that psychopathy does not mean you are legally insane.

618
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: That's like saying Ted Bundy was a psychopath. That did

619
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: not mean he was insane and shouldn't go to trial.

620
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: Guys also with me is a renowned death investigator, professor

621
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: forensics at Jacksonville State University, and author of Blood.

622
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

623
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: He's also the star of a hit podcast series, Body

624
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, I want to

625
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: have a little reality check while we're kicking around this guy. Oh,

626
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: that actually drops his blanket. Bob Price joining us from

627
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: Breitbart just said a reporter reported that the he drops

628
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: the blanket so the judge can see all of his

629
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: gentle and rear end. You know what, it's almost laughable,

630
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: and we can kick her around.

631
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 4: Oh he's a jackass, but you know what, he's a killer,

632
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: That's what he is. And I don't want to.

633
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: Make light of him. I want the world to know

634
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: what happened to Audrey and Joe Scott. You've been in

635
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: front of many a jury, as have I. I've seen

636
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: them WinCE when I describe what happened. I've seen them

637
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: literally turn their face away from a witness on the

638
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: standar witness like you from the Medical Examiner's office. But

639
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: you can't turn away from the truth and excuse this guy.

640
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: For just being a rear end.

641
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 15: Tell me what happened to this eleven year old girl, Nancy.

642
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 15: He put his hands on her, he beat her, he

643
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 15: probably choked her. And then then at the end of

644
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 15: all of this, he ties this rock to this ruscious

645
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 15: little angel's body Visa VI another rope that he had

646
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 15: weighted her down in the Trinity River and left her there.

647
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 15: And she's literally oscillating in the water. Her body is

648
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 15: spinning around and around and around and around, and he

649
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 15: drives off and disregards her. And let me tell you

650
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 15: one more thing if you like that one. We're coming

651
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 15: off of the heels of Adam Montgomery's trial up in

652
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 15: New Hampshire. Relative to that precious angel, Harmony Montgomery, I

653
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 15: see a lot of similarities here because you know Adam Montgomery,

654
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 15: he couldn't even show his face in court to stand

655
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 15: to stand before the court to answer for what he

656
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 15: did up there. This is the same pattern they can abuse.

657
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 15: They can treat young children like this and then they

658
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 15: don't expect that there is going to be any hell

659
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 15: to pay. And let me tell you something, Hell's coming

660
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 15: with this guy, just like it did with Adam Montgomery,

661
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 15: because he literally, he literally carried that little girl around

662
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 15: from place to place to place, treated her like garbage.

663
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 9: And that's what this animal has done with this precious baby.

664
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Alana Shadwick joining me and

665
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: everybody on the panel please jump in.

666
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: You're the brain trust.

667
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: Lana reminding me again of where I grew up in

668
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: rural bed County, not even inside the city.

669
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: As her body was being.

670
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: Taken to the funeral home, the community came out and

671
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: lined the streets. That's what we would do when I

672
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: was growing up in a funeral procession would go by,

673
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: and of course, if you're in your car, you pull

674
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: over and turn.

675
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 4: Your lights on and turn your car off to stop

676
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: the world just for a moment.

677
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: And when I think of everybody lined up along the

678
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: sides of the street as her body went by, it

679
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: just breaks my heart. Landa.

680
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 7: And this was that scene that you're seeing. Right there

681
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 7: is the donut shop. So he stood in front of

682
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 7: that donut shop nonchalantly like I can handle this, I

683
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 7: can fool everybody whatever. And then this is where her

684
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 7: body is brought back. It's right across from the courthouse.

685
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: It's just.

686
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 7: It was devastating for the community, and the streets were

687
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 7: lined people are just the heaviness, the sadness, the grief

688
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 7: that surrounds the entire community. This is only there's only

689
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 7: five thousand and six hundred people in Livingston, Texas. There's

690
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 7: fifty two thousand and.

691
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: Paul Kelney, the social media in the public.

692
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 7: Backlash, I mean, it's just been in the grief. It's

693
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 7: just been amazing.

694
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 12: There's another irony in all of this.

695
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 13: Just like he showed his private parts to that little girl,

696
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 13: he wanted to show his private parts to the judge too.

697
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 7: So He does the same thing everywhere.

698
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 13: Just like he stood nonchalantly in the donut shops so

699
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 13: that the judges could see him across the street. He

700
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 13: was a very nonchalant about molesting and killing this poor angel.

701
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 7: As we've been calling her.

702
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 13: And so this guy is consistent in all of his patterns.

703
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 13: He's hysterical, he's history onic. He is a psychopath. And

704
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 13: you asked earlier about that. A psychopath is not a

705
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 13: psychiatric illness. He's not crazy. It's a personality disorder. And

706
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 13: this personality disorder lacks a con loves to kill.

707
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 5: Loves to inflict cruelty.

708
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 13: They're very sadistic because that's how they get sexually excited,

709
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 13: and that is the mo for this crime. And you

710
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 13: know what, he's excited by all this attention as well.

711
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 13: And that's the sick part of this upcoming trial is

712
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 13: he'll get off on it, Nancy, just like he gone

713
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 13: off on killing a child.

714
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: You think I care what he does behind bars? Have

715
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: at it, you know.

716
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: Bob Price joining me from bright bart Texas. Bob, I

717
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: am now hearing. Of course we've heard from Cassie Matthews,

718
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: who is Audrey's mother, But I'm now hearing the other

719
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: side of the family, the grandma, the grandpa, the dad,

720
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: the bio dad who let this guy live in the

721
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: backyard in a camper and have full access to their

722
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: home when the little girl was there. I mean, I

723
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: don't let people just wander into our home when the

724
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: twins are there. Oh ATBLN, I don't know you uh uh,

725
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: You're not going to have traps something like a parade

726
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: in New Orleans on Marty Grond No, that's not happening.

727
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: But now wait for it. They're actually saying that the

728
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: system failed them, Bob Price.

729
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: The system failed them because they did a background check

730
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: and they didn't know he was a sex offender.

731
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 7: B s.

732
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: They're saying they didn't know he wasn't on the sex

733
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: offender registry. That's BS because isn't it true by Price

734
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: that he got a two year sentence for when he

735
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: got to bed with that little girl. He was charged

736
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: with enticing a minor and more, he got a two

737
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: year sentence. That's not a misdemeanor. If it's a two

738
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: year sentence, that would be a felony, which would have

739
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: showed up on his record.

740
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 8: Yes, no, Joshua Cunningham, it's you, they'll let your daughter down.

741
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 5: It's not.

742
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 8: The system certainly did let her down as well, But

743
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 8: it took me about thirty minutes of doing some Google

744
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 8: researches online to find out not only had this guy

745
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 8: crawled into bed with another ten year old girl, and

746
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 8: pedophiles have a range, they have a range of age,

747
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 8: very tight bracket they're attracted to. And this little girl

748
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 8: and Audrey were basically the same age, within a few

749
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 8: months of each other at the time of their attack.

750
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 8: And not just this crime against this little girl, but

751
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 8: dozens of crimes from two thousand and one till two

752
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 8: months before Audrey was murdered. He was being charged, arrested,

753
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 8: convicted of crimes, violent crimes, and had no business being

754
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 8: around any child, let alone this little eleven year old angel.

755
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 8: It's pathetic that these parents, this grandmother and father, would

756
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 8: allow this animal around their daughter. I wouldn't let him

757
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 8: within thirty to six range of my daughter or grandchildren.

758
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: And now the hypocrisy of say, oh, the system let

759
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: her down. It's the system's fault because he wasn't a

760
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: registered sex offender. Yeah, well, you know what, that was

761
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: the prosecutor's fault for not pushing that and making that

762
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: part of his plea deal, which it was such a

763
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: sweet plea deal it makes me seek to my stomach.

764
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: He didn't even have to say I'm guilty. He got

765
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: to say no lo contenderate and he didn't even contest it.

766
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: He took his sentence, and I believe that sentence Atlanta

767
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: Shadwick was two years, which means it was a felony,

768
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: which means you heard Bob Price say, all you had

769
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: to do was google him. For Pete's sake, you don't

770
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: have to go get a wrap sheet and pay twenty

771
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: five dollars for it.

772
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: You can look it up on Google. For Pete's sake.

773
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 4: They knew he had a record.

774
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 7: He had a possession of a dangerous drug Liberty County

775
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 7: two thousand and three, two thousand and six, another possession

776
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 7: in two thousand and six assault on a public servant,

777
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 7: which is exactly what the Arian brotherhood.

778
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: They have to assault a public servant or a correctional.

779
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: Officer in order to be part of a game.

780
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: He was convicted of that assault on a public service

781
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: servant and.

782
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 7: Serve time and then the enticing of a child out

783
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 7: of Brissouria County, in two thousand and eight, twenty and

784
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 7: ten aggravated assault with a deadly weapon to twenty fourteen

785
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 7: reckless driving, and then another aggravated assault in twenty nineteen

786
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 7: and another thumbder the nose to law enforcement in twenty

787
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: twenty three when he was convicted of resisting rest. This

788
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 7: man is a man of violence.

789
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Well, how could they now claim it's a system's fault.

790
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: You can find all that on a Google search. You

791
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: don't have to go into official court records. And what

792
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, why I keep talking about the

793
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: sentence was two years and more because a misdemeanor which

794
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 2: would not show up as a felony conviction is twelve

795
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: months or less. When you have two years or more,

796
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: that means you've been convicted on a felony which absolutely

797
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: would have shown up. So I don't understand why now

798
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: they're claiming like the system failed. Just Scott, I want

799
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: to circle back to the evidence really quickly.

800
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 4: I want to figure out hold on my price. Do

801
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: we know yet what the formal charges are going to be?

802
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 9: Right now?

803
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 8: It's a capital murder charge, Plus he has the outstanding

804
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 8: charge for aggravated assault causing serious moodily injury to David.

805
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I forgot David's last name. Who he assaulted

806
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 8: in August last year? David, Yes, sorry. You know, so

807
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 8: he committed at least three assaults in the last quarter

808
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 8: or the last six months of.

809
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 4: But we know that right now he's going to be

810
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: charged with capital murder.

811
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: You know, I'm waiting to find out if there are

812
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: going to be sex charges that he performed against this

813
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: little girl. Joe Scott Morgan back to you, death investigator,

814
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: What is a hold up? How quickly upon a rape

815
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: kit exam, which is an examination of the rectum and

816
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: the vagina and all surrounding areas, in fact, the whole body,

817
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: even though she had been in water.

818
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 4: How long is that going to take?

819
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: And if sperm DNA is found, then we got to

820
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: make a DNA comparison.

821
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, we do.

822
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 9: And they listen, they've got him. He's a known so

823
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 9: they'll do the Buckla mc coastal swath on him, scraping,

824
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 9: so they'll they have that in a static position, I.

825
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: Mean the mouth, Yeah, and they just reach in your

826
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: mouth with something that looks like a que tip and

827
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: gets saliva and sells from the inside of your jaw.

828
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: Don't like a COVID test, Go ahead.

829
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, And so he's a known so they can compare

830
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 9: that what they have to what It's going to be

831
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 9: key here though, Nancy, And keep in mind, this little

832
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 9: angel was in a water environment, and it sounds as

833
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 9: though that she's at least partially unclothed. Remember they found

834
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 9: her clothing on the river bank here, which is significant.

835
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 9: So any area her vagina, her rectum, her mouth, it

836
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 9: could be all flushed out. Here's my key what I'm

837
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 9: thinking about. She's very young, Nancy, and I would there

838
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 9: may be a chance that if she was assaulted through

839
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 9: this rape, that there would be evidence of vaginal trauma,

840
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 9: antal trauma, whatever the case might be. And of course

841
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 9: that's going to fall to the forensic pathology. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 9: torn skin. And one more thing I got to point

843
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 9: out here. This guy is so comfortable right now, Nancy.

844
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 9: He's very comfortable the way he's behaving. One of the

845
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 9: things that's really piqued my interest in this. If he

846
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 9: is this comfortable assaulting first off, this other ten year

847
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 9: old and this little darling here, I want to know,

848
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 9: are there any unsolved cases that fit this age range?

849
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 9: That are out there that might be missing that he

850
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 9: had proximity to agree.

851
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: I agree he didn't just do this two times in

852
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: his life.

853
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: You can mark my words on that. And one quick thing.

854
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: I know we got to go, and I don't want

855
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: to lose you guys, but I just want you to

856
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: look at.

857
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: This piece of video that has been unearthed. This looks

858
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: to me like Audrey actually putting a tattoo on an

859
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: adult male is what it looks like to me. Look

860
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: at this, This little girl as working a tattoo pen.

861
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: Wait for it, there you go.

862
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 4: I can't tell if.

863
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: That's a man or a woman's leg. If it's a

864
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: man's leg, it could have been shaved to apply a tattoo.

865
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: What in the hay is going on in that house?

866
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: Why is this little girl? What jump in by a price?

867
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 7: What is this?

868
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 8: It's disgusting. It's clear, you know, I said a minute ago,

869
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 8: Joshua Cunningham, that let his little girl down, and this

870
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 8: grandmother and a lot of people let this little girl down.

871
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 8: But I want to if I could go back just

872
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 8: a minute to the public outpouring of support for Audrey.

873
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 8: This procession that you showed a minute ago that started

874
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 8: in Houston, local police officers went down to bring this

875
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 8: little girl home. It started in Houston, and as it

876
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 8: traveled up through Cleveland and Porter and Shepherd and some

877
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 8: of these other communities along the way, more law enforcement,

878
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 8: more police cars, more fire trucks, more citizens got in

879
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 8: this line. And by the time they got to where

880
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 8: you see it here in Livingston, there were hundreds of

881
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 8: people standing along the streets on Washington Avenue and Church

882
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 8: Street as they moved towards the funeral home. And there

883
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 8: she goes right there. It really was tremendous. And then

884
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 8: you have the little memorial that was built for her

885
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 8: under eath the what I'm now calling the Audrey Cunningham

886
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 8: Bridge on US fifty nine. Sheriff Greg Capers of San

887
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 8: Jacino County, where her body was recovered, told me that

888
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 8: they're talking to tex Dot now to get some kind

889
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 8: of a temporary memorial right there where you see where

890
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 8: the circle is was where she was found, and get

891
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Speaker 8: a temporary memorial built there. I say temporary because they're

892
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 8: getting ready to rip all of that out and build

893
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 8: a new highway, Interstate Highway through there. But it's the

894
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 8: love and support for this little girl that they're seeing

895
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 8: from the community. And I don't want to say that

896
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 8: this family didn't love her, but they certainly didn't protect her.

897
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 8: And that's a father's number one job.

898
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: You know what, Bob Price, I appreciate you being careful

899
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: when you're referring to her family that she lived with,

900
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: but I see it in very clear terms. She died

901
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: on their watch. They allowed this guy in the back

902
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: yard and in their home. So this Friday night, there's

903
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: going to be a memorial for Audrey, an eleven year

904
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: old girl. Eleven years old, and we want justice, and

905
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 2: I don't care.

906
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: Who falls in the search for justice, but we will

907
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 4: get justice for this child. Goodbye, friend,