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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes and filtered Episode thirty six. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a good week of baseball. Baseball is almost back. We

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Speaker 1: have WBC this weekend with the start of Venezuela versus

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Speaker 1: the dr and we have a very special guest here today.

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Speaker 1: But before that, Isaac, what's up. We're gonna be up

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Speaker 1: in Jupiter this weekend. We're gonna have a good time.

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Speaker 1: And we have Eli also with us here today who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good in terms of coverage and all

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Speaker 2: How are we?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the next couple of weeks at least will be

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Speaker 3: full of coverage from my end, and I'll be there

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Speaker 3: the next couple of days with some family. I'll be

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Speaker 2: Days up near Roger Dean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and as you alluded to, I'm making my annual

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Speaker 4: I'll be around all that weekend and mostly in Jupiter,

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Speaker 4: but seeing some WBC on Sunday. If anybody of our

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Speaker 4: as well as our entire group as well. So I

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Speaker 2: But fun to be on this pod in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: And today we have a very special guest. We've had

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Speaker 1: back on again. We have Joe Forsorrow of Man on

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Speaker 1: second base. Joe, how are we? How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: I saw you, I believe on Saturday and just you know,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well, guys, Thanks for having me and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: like the same. I'll be at I'm be doing. I

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Speaker 1: Yep, I'll let Eli take it away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right off the top. We got some news this

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Speaker 4: past weekends about the passing of Colin McRae. And that's

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Speaker 4: a name that I'm sure fans are probably not very

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Speaker 4: very well through the years. He was for many years

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Speaker 4: the Marlins video coordinator. He joined the team in ninety seven,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, to say stunned would be an understatement. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I was home and I got a text from Manny Cologne,

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Speaker 5: obviously the son of Hal McCrae, the brother of Brian McCrae.

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Speaker 5: a great player and a manager. Just a tremendous loss,

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Speaker 5: He passed yesterday. And I'm wearing my lone time Leinners

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Speaker 5: So it's been kind of a you know, reminded how

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Speaker 5: But in honor of Kulu mc crae, rip, my friend,

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Speaker 5: a great guy and you know, did a great job

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything on your end, Isaac or no.

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Speaker 2: I think Joe Summrise did great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess to lighten up the mood a

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Speaker 1: back to the off season. We haven't had you on

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on the Marlins offseason. Obviously we

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Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things that Marlins fans

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Speaker 3: obviously they have decided to put chest some junior out there.

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Speaker 3: You said that they didn't really do enough. What would

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Speaker 5: As for center field, I probably would have had Jazz

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Speaker 5: It's also Isaac. You have to keep in mind too,

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Speaker 5: You know, the balls. It's all day games. Yes, there's

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Speaker 5: it's really hard. I love Jazz and want Chazz to succeed.

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Speaker 5: I was there when Hanley Ramirez they sign Jose Reyes

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Speaker 1: I guess you would have your inning eater in Johnny

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Speaker 1: Quata and then the three other guys more striking guy.

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Speaker 5: Hope your inning eater.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. He does not looked good so far, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's spring spring training. So and then I like what

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Speaker 1: you said with Pablo and Cuato. You do notice the

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Speaker 1: difference because Pablo very strike out over ended, he does

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Speaker 1: get the ground ball, but Cuato, I mean we saw

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Speaker 1: Quato put up his lowest K for nine of his

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Speaker 1: career this past year and very very high ground ball rates.

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Speaker 1: So you kind of hope that Quato can kind of

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Speaker 1: translate that to a lone deeper park which is a

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Speaker 1: lot I believe it's more picture friendly than yeah, yeah everywhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so they kind of hope that that translates. So, uh, Joe,

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Speaker 1: We've kind of seen a couple of weeks of spring

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Speaker 1: training so far. The Marlins are one eight and one.

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Speaker 1: Unlike other years, this team's losing a spring training we

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Speaker 1: usually see them getting a good amount of wins. What

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Speaker 1: have been your initial assessments so far on the Marlins

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Speaker 1: spring training. You know, aside from wins and losses, justin

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Speaker 1: guys on the field.

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Speaker 5: Sadly, they were kind of what I thought they were

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Speaker 5: to be. You know, they're going to struggle defensively, They're

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Speaker 5: not a complete team. It's kind of hard to not

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Speaker 5: stumble into a couple of more wins just based on

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Speaker 5: how spring training works. But it just shows that, you know,

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Speaker 5: defense matters, it really does, you know, and you know, okay,

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Speaker 5: if we're gonna just look at you know, what they're building,

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Speaker 5: what they're they're doing, Skip's gonna work a lot on

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Speaker 5: on base running. That that's kind of an opportunity, uh,

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Speaker 5: for them to kind of make a difference if they could,

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Speaker 5: you know, take advantage of extra bases and run the

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Speaker 5: base as well. I think that speaks for a lot

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Speaker 5: of teams are a lot of the base running is

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Speaker 5: we're kind of becoming a lost art in recent years. Uh,

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Speaker 5: and I think that a team that kind of can

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Speaker 5: do it, well, you're gonna have to do it with Jazz,

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Speaker 5: you have to do it with Wendell. You know, Guys

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Speaker 5: like that are gonna gonna have to be kind of

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Speaker 5: your catalyst that to get you know, able to take

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Speaker 5: you know, still run steal a you know, steal a

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Speaker 5: base and such. So, uh so I think that that's

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Speaker 5: in encouraging UH. To be honest, I'm I'm I'm kind

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Speaker 5: of happy by this, uh that that Kerry Collins and

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Speaker 5: and and Dave Wallace are part of the organization, and

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Speaker 5: from what I understand, Uh, Jim Riggleman is also I

477
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Speaker 5: don't know if that's out there yet, but Jim Riggleman

478
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Speaker 5: is going to be kind of one of those roving

479
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Speaker 5: advisor types. I don't think he started yet, but UH

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Speaker 5: might be telling you news. But I like that he's

481
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Speaker 5: a you know, these are really good baseball people, and

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Speaker 5: I like that they're baseball people. I like that Jeff

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Speaker 5: co nines back. I think that's really important, and I

484
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Speaker 5: just want would like to see some really seasoned, dyed

485
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Speaker 5: baseball people, evaluator types who could kind of paint a

486
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Speaker 5: more accurate picture for them so when they're moving forward,

487
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Speaker 5: they're not making moves that might be detrimental uh in

488
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Speaker 5: the long term.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's something that's very interesting because we saw

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Speaker 1: when when Jeter and Sherman himmen they basically got rid

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Speaker 1: of a lot of those baseball guys, Dawson and Conine

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Speaker 1: and McKee and.

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Speaker 5: I believe was the other one back, Tony Perez. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're bringing these guys back now we see

495
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Speaker 1: Terry Collins, Dave Wallace, all these Jeff Conine, who I mean, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: Jeff and Juan Pierre have been great to those guys,

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Speaker 1: helping out the outfielders. I mean, maybe you guys know,

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Speaker 1: does Wan Peer have an official title with the Marlins

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Speaker 1: or is he just there?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's official, than there's kind of like

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Speaker 5: you need me today, I could get up there and

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Speaker 5: help the outfielder to do whatever he's I think he's again,

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Speaker 5: I don't think he has an official title, but it

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Speaker 5: would be sort of they kind of uh whatever, instructor

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Speaker 5: or whatever, you know, just just great guy, professional example

506
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Speaker 5: to you know. If he could help Jazz and and

507
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Speaker 5: help John Jay in any way he can, that's what

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Speaker 5: Pierre needs to be.

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Speaker 4: Kevin did mention very quickly mentioned Andre Dawson. I just

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Speaker 4: want to shout out Joe's recent interview he had Andre

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Speaker 4: Dawson on his pod on the Real Voices of the Game.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say I enjoyed that conversation.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, it's that's fun. It's always

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Speaker 5: good to reconnect with Hawk. That guy is unbelievable. Uh,

515
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Speaker 5: And you know, I love to see those guys back

516
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Speaker 5: and I think, uh, the organization now seems much more

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Speaker 5: receptive to bring in. I mean what it's just to

518
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Speaker 5: me ridiculous that you let two Hall of famers go

519
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Speaker 5: and and then Jack McKeon, who's in my opinion, it

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Speaker 5: should be a Hall of Famer. And because of nothing else,

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Speaker 5: we're seeing these these legendary figures. Ambassaard, you have over

522
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Speaker 5: seventy years in the sport, and you're you know, World

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Speaker 5: Series champ, a two time Manager of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, a guy who's been a GM and took

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Speaker 5: a team to the World Series. He managed a team

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Speaker 5: in the World Series. You know, Jack, Jack has done

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Speaker 5: it all, kind of popularized winter meetings and trades and

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Speaker 5: and just not to have them around is I think

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Speaker 5: it's a loss. And I think the fans identify with

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Speaker 5: as well. You know, you know, these people on those

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Speaker 5: backfields are always fun to say.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of managers.

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Speaker 3: For those following as watching on YouTube, we have picture

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Speaker 3: of Skip Schumacher. Joe, you've covered your your fair share

536
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Speaker 3: of managers, you know, in your career for MLB dot com.

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Speaker 5: Way too many at the level right.

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Speaker 2: Don Manningly was the longest tenured Marlins manager. Yeah, as

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Speaker 2: his history.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to get your thoughts, your takeaways from

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Speaker 3: Skip and how he sort of, you know, is different

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Speaker 3: from Skipper Don Mattingly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he you know, he the science point.

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Speaker 5: You know, he checks a lot of boxes. He uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, he knows analytics. He's he's good with players,

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Speaker 5: he's younger. You know, he's gonna work well with Kim.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, they're on the same page, which is always important.

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Speaker 5: But you win with players, and you went with high

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Speaker 5: impact players. So I think, you know, he's gonna, I

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00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 5: you know, he's gonna have to instill a culture. I

552
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: think that he's I'm gonna have to deal with patients

553
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 5: and that. Man. It doesn't mean that they can't, you know,

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00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 5: with their pitching. If everything catches that they they you know,

555
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 5: can't be better than you know I think, but you know,

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00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: if they get off to a slow start, keep in

557
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: mind Joe Girardi at one point, you know, Joe Girardi

558
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 5: came in highly acclaimed and you know, very self short

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Speaker 5: and you know, uh he was like ten and ten

560
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Speaker 5: and twenty or ten and thirty. At one point they

561
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Speaker 5: were like twenty games under and they got over five hundred.

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Speaker 5: So you know, you could you know, you're gonna have

563
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Speaker 5: to deal with some adversity. I think what hurt Skip

564
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Speaker 5: is the w b C being this year is terrible

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Speaker 5: for Skibbs, you mocker, you know, to be with that

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Speaker 5: one player and that alone five or six, because like

567
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Speaker 5: I said earlier, these guys need to get to know

568
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Speaker 5: each other. They need to know his personality, They need

569
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Speaker 5: to know where you know, where he stands on stuff,

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: and and and he's learning too. Yeah, and so he's

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Speaker 5: not a miracle worker. And you know he's he's says

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00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: the right things, he's doing the right things, and uh,

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Speaker 5: you know he's acsessible with the media and all all signs.

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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 5: But again, you win with players, and uh, he's got

575
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Speaker 5: to find out who he can win with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Something that's interesting about Skip is he can relates to

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys. I think we've said this

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Speaker 1: many times down here, and you know we've heard many

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00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: other say he was part of He's not finally of

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00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: the stack cast era. He's younger. I mean, you relate

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Speaker 1: to the guys. He was a player himself, he was

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Speaker 1: on World Series winning teams. He played, he was even

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Speaker 1: play teammates with a couple of these players. Now he's,

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Speaker 1: you know, with John Jay as his coat, he's coach,

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00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: he's you know, John Jay is under him as the

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Speaker 1: manager now. So it's a good dynamic to have Skip, yeah,

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Speaker 1: John Yeah. So it's a good dynamic to have out

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Speaker 1: there with with Skip and a younger staff. I would

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Speaker 1: say a lot of these guys are younger. And now

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Speaker 1: we have Brent Brown, who a lot of players really

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Speaker 1: do love. You know, from what I've heard from players

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Speaker 1: himselves and what we've been seeing from the outside, a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys love Brent Brown, who was the

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Speaker 1: former Dodgers I believe, assistant hitting coach. I was not,

596
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Speaker 1: he wasn't the official guy at one point. But I mean,

597
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: you gotta love what they're doing. You know, you said it, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the team needs to perform, it's all

599
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Speaker 1: about the players. As much as we can praise Skip

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Speaker 1: Schumacher and talk really good about him, and many of

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Speaker 1: the many of these other players. It comes down to

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Speaker 1: the players themselves to what.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, and the fact that we haven't had winning down

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Speaker 5: here in forever. Yes, twenty twenty was. It is what

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00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: it is. But you find out and you guys see

606
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: it in your coverage. You start embracing a few storylines

607
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Speaker 5: in the context of a season, and I think so

608
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 5: many don't recognize. You don't You don't even know what

609
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 5: a really good looking team looks like because you'll sit

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00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 5: around and you might have, Hey, Sandy's a cy young winner.

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Speaker 5: Here's my story this year. You know I had that,

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Speaker 5: you know, Dee Gordon winning the batting title on a

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Speaker 5: bad team. You know Stanton an MVP on a bad team.

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00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: You know, uh, you you have those moments. But what

615
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 5: so so Britt Brown could have a hit or just

616
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: really overperform or or really come to light and get

617
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: a lot of praise from a player or two, but

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Speaker 5: it's not necessarily in the context of the lines moving. Like,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Cardinals going in and they've got a

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Speaker 5: really really really good chance of winning a division and

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Speaker 5: a really really better chance of being one of six

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Speaker 5: teams in the playoffs. So when I'm watching them on

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Speaker 5: TV a little earlier, and they're they're roughing up as

624
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Speaker 5: a Hunter Brown. I think his name of the picture

625
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: with the astro is a good pitch pitching prospect. But

626
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Speaker 5: you see him like Dylan Carlson came to life today

627
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: and and Jack Flaherty's looking like he showing sun that

628
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: they're dealing in a whole different world. They're you know,

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Speaker 5: they're the cardinal way is they're going to playoffs. There's

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Speaker 5: a team concept. It's a team thought. It's not hey,

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Speaker 5: who's going to be our all start this year? Who

632
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: was our young guy? Or you know, it's we we

633
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: get wrapped up in five players that are maybe eight.

634
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: But it it's so it's a different type of way

635
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: of evaluating even your coaching staff, because you're gonna see

636
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: certain players are gonna come and be batter like I

637
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 5: said they'll be. I always say this. We're pitching, someone surprises,

638
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 5: someone disappoints. That always is the case. And and then

639
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: the same thing, you're gonna have some hitter is gonna

640
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: do a little bit better or a little bit worse

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Speaker 5: than we all thought.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: But with the Marlins, it's like, when's the next wave

644
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 5: of hitters? You know, Bladet's gone. You know he was

645
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: supposed to be and you know, well, I wasn't the

646
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 5: biggest fan of that, that signing, that pick or whatever.

647
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 5: You also could say maybe they quit a little early

648
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: on him, but he's gone. So now is now Burdic

649
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: has had some good at Pats. But you know, guys

650
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: come in, they're excited, they want to make a good

651
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 5: impression early on, the last two weeks of spring training

652
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 5: are a different ball games. Usually that's those final ten

653
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: days to two weeks. That's when you're starting to see.

654
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: So if there's a silver line for the Marlins, if

655
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: they want to lose every game now before the last

656
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 5: two weeks and then play plus five hundred of the

657
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 5: last two weeks, that's a better sign than winning now.

658
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: And you know, just you're and why I say that

659
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: is the pitchers are locking it right now. The pictures

660
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 5: are figuring out the pitch clock, and they're building up

661
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: arm strength. They're trying to get through four innings. They

662
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: don't care what. They may just go a whole start,

663
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: not throwing any break involves or whatever whatever they want

664
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: to work on. They may only work on. We're hitting

665
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: the outside part play they're not thinking of how am

666
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: I getting this guy out there? They're not game planning.

667
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: But that final two weeks now the pictures like how

668
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 5: am I going to get them out? Not necessarily a

669
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: game plan for that, like they're putting the game plan

670
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: for that night. But maybe my change was my outpitch.

671
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start using my change up to get out.

672
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 5: You know that that type of mentality. So that's what

673
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 5: you know when you're dealing with these young hitters. What

674
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 5: whether it's Brown or whoever in the system is working

675
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: with hitters, you got to start building. You got to,

676
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: you know, somehow. You got to get Jesu Sanchez to

677
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 5: tap in because he's got a lot of raw talent.

678
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: He's got a long swing, but he's got a a

679
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: lot of raw talent, and he's one of the few

680
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 5: guys that could change a game with one swing. How

681
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: is he doing? How's he?

682
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Like?

683
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 5: I think I saw someone tweet out like I guess

684
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 5: today Econtra leaves and whoever, Josh Simpson. I can't just

685
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: came in and give a bomb or something like that.

686
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 5: And it's like, oh, poor Sandy, No, I don't care

687
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 5: if Sandy al Contra has like l on a spring

688
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: training game means nothing. I'd rather actually, I want to

689
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: see Josh Simpson because you want to know, you want

690
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: to know, is Josh Simpson an answer for you? So

691
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 5: I'm looking more at what's Josh Simpson doing rather than Sandy.

692
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 5: Other than Sandy villa Ware is supposed to be he's okay, okay,

693
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 5: good job, go away. You know, I didn't need Sandy

694
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 5: to strike out six or eight to say Sandy's good

695
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: doing well, you don't need that, But you need Josh

696
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 5: shimp Simpson. This show what he can do and from

697
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 5: all indications, okay, give a bomb. But I guess he

698
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: pitched pretty well. Yeah, but we have four k's or

699
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 5: something like that. So it's like, you know, so I'd

700
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: rather see him get get the work. That's Those are

701
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 5: the type of things I look in spring games. I'm

702
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: not just looking to go across the board and see

703
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 5: if Jazz homer today, you know, because he expect Jazz

704
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: is going to hit his share of home Yeah.

705
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: And not only and and you mentioned the pitch clock,

706
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: not only the pitchers have to just put the hitters

707
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, we've seen those violations already this

708
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: year from the hitters end, So I mean those guys

709
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: have to tonight.

710
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 5: Tovey started and at bat oh one and he's like,

711
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: what did I do? And the umpires like explain it.

712
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: He's like getting ready and he strikes out and he's

713
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: having a five minute conversation. He just stepped in a

714
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 5: matter's box and he's like, what do I do?

715
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: You know, the big good things that Marlins haven't had

716
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: too many issues with it so far. I know the

717
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: first game they had their fair share of issues, but

718
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they've really had much more after that.

719
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I think DLC how a couple of days ago or

720
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: something like that. But anything else you want to touch

721
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: up on Isaac before you go WBC.

722
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Joe, you mentioned Simpson as someone that those

723
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: are the types of guys you want to see. You

724
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: want to see the verdicts. You want to see the

725
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: grossians guys. You know, because this is What'spring training is

726
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: all about. You got to see you what these guys

727
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: can be. A couple of years ago is Blaedet and

728
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: Maisner guys like that, which guys like those this spring.

729
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: Have sort of impressed you or maybe not so much

730
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: so far?

731
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 5: Well, everyone wants to see Yuri. I mean, let's let's

732
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: just address him, because he's you want to see, you

733
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 5: want your I want Uri to make a tough call

734
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 5: for them, and I don't think he And that's no

735
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: knock on him if he doesn't. But what I like

736
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: that I always go back to Whin Yelich and I

737
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 5: used to have like a running joke with in twenty

738
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 5: thirteen because remember they got really young and they trade

739
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: everybody away and everyone hates them. And then Yelich like

740
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 5: literally wouldn't get himself cut, like literally the raid to

741
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 5: send him down. He's hitting walk offs against Boston and

742
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: I just walked up, you know, we're walking under under

743
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: the bleachers there and I see Dan Jennings. I'm like,

744
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: kid doesn't want to get cut. He doesn't want to

745
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 5: get cut today, and we laugh about that. Like Yellis

746
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: was literally he was the ultimate example of a guy

747
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 5: you knew was going down but didn't want to get cut,

748
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: and every day would get four hits if he was

749
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: in the lineup walk off Homers. He was doing that.

750
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 5: That's what I'm looking for from guy like Jordan Walker.

751
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 5: You know Jordan Walker, Yeah, cut me, you have to

752
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 5: cut me. I'm not going to cut myself now. Jordan Walker. Also,

753
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 5: it's early in spring. They're not looking to get him

754
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: out yet, so you know he'll get the book on

755
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 5: him is going to be And I love Jordan Walker,

756
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 5: but it's like, and I hope he does that. I

757
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: love those are the stories I like. I like when

758
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: the player knocking on the door makes the team. So

759
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: if we were looking the guy closest to knocking on

760
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 5: the door, is Uri right in terms of impactful guy? Uh,

761
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: you know, and so is Uri going to knock their

762
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 5: socks off? And if he doesn't, that's fine, you know,

763
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 5: it's fine. He doesn't need he doesn't need to be

764
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 5: Sandy right now. You know, just just let him get better.

765
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: Especially since he's nineteen. I mean, you said it, you

766
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: have to gain that experience. And he's done. And he's

767
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: looked really good at some moments that first game he

768
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: came in, looked pretty good on Saturday, first two when

769
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: he's looked good top out of ninety nine to believe,

770
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever hit one hundred, but he

771
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: looked really good. And I know he had this command

772
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: issues to give up the two homers. But I mean,

773
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: you're facing major league talent and you're doing what you're

774
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: doing at this point. I mean it's gonna be a

775
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: hard cut at some point because you especially with the WBC,

776
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: now you lose Sandy Quita, you're gonna have to need

777
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: those guys a little bit more.

778
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 5: Just that's it's good for him because he probably will

779
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 5: get a few more innings. Yeah, so that is good.

780
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 5: So maybe he does that. But I'm just saying right

781
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: now in terms of Christmas of stuff, not just the result,

782
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 5: not just hitting ninety nine, you know, putting the ball

783
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 5: where he wants it, you know, you know, executing pitches.

784
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 5: Not remember the first game he I guess it was

785
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: basically fastball slider because he was trying to get rid

786
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: of the ball at eight seconds. It was just the

787
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 5: clock was so in everybody's head that first game was

788
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: like what are we supposed to do? Let's end the game.

789
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: They want fast game. So you next thing, you know,

790
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: you're a young pitcher. And even Stallings noted he was

791
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: like I hadn't caught him before, so I was just

792
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 5: kind of letting him feel comfortable, and even like cigarette

793
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: to say, you got to break the pattern. They're on

794
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: you because you do this fast most slide whatever that

795
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: that combo was? Where? Okay, the next pitch is this

796
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: that he got predictable? And that's that's a whole different

797
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 5: ballgame with twenty seconds and fifteen seconds for pitchers. I

798
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: don't you know, you know, Verlanders just messing with people.

799
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 5: It's funny. There's the the other extreme forty year olds Verlander.

800
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 5: They want to see what they can get away with.

801
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: I throw it one second. I'm going like, they're just

802
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 5: messing with you. And and Marlin's pitchers are like the

803
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 5: clock short, you know, we gotta throw the ball.

804
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: You know.

805
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 5: It's but they're young. They don't have that experience or

806
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: that craftiness to know I could get rid of the

807
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 5: ball whenever I want. I could. I could stand there

808
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 5: for eight seconds and have the hitter just he can't

809
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 5: hold time because he already did call time.

810
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: You know.

811
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 5: It's they're they're all sorts of little tricks that that

812
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 5: these veterans are going to exploit. And the Marlins young pitchers,

813
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 5: we just need to learn it.

814
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a great video of a Max Shirts

815
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: are doing exactly that, holding the ball until one second

816
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: on the clock.

817
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: And these hitters, they've got no chance again.

818
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: He already closed a leak email sures or that. Oh

819
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 5: you know, quick pitch is illegal. You know you can't

820
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: quick pitch and you know, so the Verlander is completely

821
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 5: like pushing the envelope with the rule and he and

822
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 5: I think we saw, you know, day with Verlander what

823
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 5: he kept throwing over. You know, he is testing to

824
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: throw over rule. Yeah, like it was almost like he

825
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: intentionally threw over twice for a rise. They said, okay, well,

826
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: what am I going to do now? I can't throw

827
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: over anymore? Is he gonna run? How am I going

828
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 5: to deal with this? That's that's what. But that's what

829
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 5: those guys are Hall of famers. So those guys, those

830
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 5: guys are completely playing chess while everyone else is, you know,

831
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 5: playing you know what piece moves on the checkerboard.

832
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: And I guess that's.

833
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 3: Something we weren't able to get your take on last year.

834
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: Obviously your thoughts on the band of the shift, the

835
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: larger basis the clock.

836
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: They're going to be better in theory. I don't like it,

837
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: you know, I don't like to mandate that. But the

838
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: clock would the same effect be if it was twenty

839
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 5: five seconds and twenty instead of twenty and fifteen. I

840
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: don't Berlin I had a great quote the other day.

841
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 5: He was like, I don't want to throw any pitch

842
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 5: because I'm trying to beat the clock. Every pitch I

843
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 5: want to throw, I want to throw a conviction. And

844
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 5: if it comes to that where pitchers are just throwing

845
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: the ball, it's almost like throwing a half court shot

846
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 5: to beat the first half in basketball. You want to

847
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 5: That's how injuries are going to happen. That's how sloppy

848
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 5: play is going to happen, and you know games are

849
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 5: gonna be decided on it. And you know that's the

850
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: other thing too. It doesn't help the Marlins that as

851
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 5: Puck thrown yet he's been moncked.

852
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: Up, right, He's throwing live VP on Thursday, both of them.

853
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've thrown.

854
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 5: You got to. It's with some sort of but they're

855
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: going to have to. These are your and Flora's velos

856
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: down a little bit.

857
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: That's that's every year. It looks like, you know Flora, but.

858
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 5: You know he also has had injury issues. But those

859
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 5: are your three, three of your high leverage guys who

860
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 5: you want who are going to come into the game

861
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 5: with a clock in their head, a guy on base,

862
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 5: and not a lot of work in spring to kind

863
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: of work through it. That. Again, those are things I'm

864
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: looking at, you know, in the grand the grand picture

865
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 5: of how how are they going to do their job

866
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 5: at their highest level?

867
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: And good good speaking about it with Christina, it was

868
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: because in the late and I think twenty seconds is okay,

869
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: it's fine, but you really can't look down on your

870
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: phone while watching a baseball game. You work, and the

871
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: later in the seven to eighth, ninth and the well

872
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: postseason game, for example, I would have liked to see

873
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: the clock go to like maybe thirty seconds, thirty five seconds,

874
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 3: because that's how the whole emotion of the baseball game,

875
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: you know, at least as a fan that you know,

876
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: I thought that was a so well idea.

877
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 5: I think that baseball right now has been so adamant.

878
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 5: I'm look at they were calling on Max Starps, on Altuove,

879
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: automatic strikes, on Miguel Cabrera. They're going to the big

880
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 5: They're to the most popular players. They're telling Ferlander, no,

881
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 5: you get you can't quick pitch, you have to throw.

882
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 5: Didn't Verlander make excuse me? Sureser, I think said, uh,

883
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 5: couldn't have a little leeway. You know, he's he's trying

884
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: to he's baiting them, he's trying to you know, uh,

885
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: you know, it's like the league has now forced itself

886
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 5: to no rules of rules, the rules of rules. But

887
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 5: we saw it with the exchange rule a few years ago.

888
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 5: You might remember that where if you drop the ball

889
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: in the exchange you you know, the Marlins actually won

890
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 5: a game against the Mets, I believe h on a

891
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 5: play like that. There was a throw to third base

892
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: and it was a David Ryder, whoever is playing third

893
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: that day, got the ball and tried to get rid

894
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 5: of it, and the ball fell and he was clearly

895
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: out at third, but by the definition the definition of

896
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 5: the rule, he was safe. That runner scored and Marlins

897
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 5: won by a run. They overturned that rule like a

898
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 5: month into the season. So so why now baseball is

899
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 5: very adamant about this if it becomes problematic with that,

900
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: you know, just striving to make it hurry up, hurry up,

901
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: perry up. Where the quality of play or somebody gets

902
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 5: a blows out a great young arm or something because

903
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: he slips or something on the you know, hurrying, maybe

904
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: they amend a couple of seconds, but then you'd have

905
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 5: to adjust to a new couple of seconds. But I'm

906
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 5: just saying whatever would be a more comfortable time, especially

907
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: in the high leverage innings. That's where I think, more

908
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 5: so than the early innings that I think that would

909
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 5: be a factor.

910
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: And the good thing is that a lot of this,

911
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: I think every started hasn't had an issue with it

912
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: so far. Sandy works fairly fast, Huzzardo told us on Saturday.

913
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't really matter. The pitch clock isn't a big

914
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: issue for him. He works fairly fast with it.

915
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 5: Too, although he did admit that he was he was

916
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 5: trying to seper with it, and remember he was trying

917
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 5: to be a little cute with it and may have

918
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 5: rushed a picture too.

919
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so, Joe.

920
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, I mean, I think all

921
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: positions at this point are filled out, but there's one

922
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: I kind of want to get into a little bit,

923
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: and that's left field. I mean, you have de la Cruz,

924
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: you have Sanchez, Jores, Solaire and Verdick. What you what

925
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: are your thoughts in that position? And Dela Cruz and Verdick,

926
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: I've probably had some of the maybe the best springs

927
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: so far. I think Burdick is taking some great at bats.

928
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: Exit veils are very high. I mean he's just getting

929
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: that ball and play. And Dela Cruze as well. I

930
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: mean those guys are looking good. Sanchez has had his

931
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: good moments then Solaire, I think we'll mostly see a

932
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: DH but they haven't ruled out that he will play

933
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: some left field.

934
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 5: Don't you want Burdick to play every day so and not?

935
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 5: You know, he has to win the job, right, he

936
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 5: has to win the job. So if not, he goes

937
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: to Triple A and plays every day, so he has

938
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 5: to go and play. Yeah, Sanchi's had options. I don't

939
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 5: think they gave him one. He's ad of options, so

940
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced he's gonna be on the team. They

941
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: may have to package him in the trade. You know.

942
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 5: Dela Cruz is when he's hot, he's super fun. Everyone

943
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 5: loves him, and then he goes over two months and

944
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 5: it's a little hard to live that way. Uh, John Birdie,

945
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 5: it's put John Birdie and le center or something. Don't

946
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 5: we want you Birdie to play more. It's it's like,

947
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 5: just probably can't John Birdie be the left fielder probably

948
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 5: be a more interesting team offensively.

949
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably it's being left because I believe that's where.

950
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: I think Jordan Walker is going to make the team,

951
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: which I don't think you will, but I think they'd

952
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: like to see him and left because there's just no

953
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: roof for him obviously.

954
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: Unless out of that nfield. Though.

955
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: Question that I put out on Twitter get a little

956
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: bit of attraction is a popular tweet. There's a question

957
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: Wood Marlins fans trade Urie Perez for Jordan Walker one

958
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: for one, Joe, would you make that trade?

959
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a better prospect, Yeah, yeah, really, yeah, yeah,

960
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 5: your he's your He's probably a three, which is fine.

961
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: I saw you you and exactly what I said.

962
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: For two hundred thousand dollars signing of the d R.

963
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: I mean that's you know, if he merges out of tube, right,

964
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 5: you know, but yeah, probably Jordan Walker is ridiculous. That's

965
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: that's we've seen it, you know, we already we've already

966
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 5: seen it. Guys, Guys with effortless power and you know

967
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 5: feel for the game that those are those are your

968
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: impactful guys. And and don't you want.

969
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: A what do they say?

970
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: No?

971
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: Yes, six sixty of Marlins fans that they'd rather.

972
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 5: Have performing this market. Eli, Come on, I.

973
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: Voted, I voted absolutely.

974
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: I'm totally on board with you Joe on this one

975
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: as well. If that, even if all things are equal,

976
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: then you go with the hitter.

977
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 5: The hitter exactly.

978
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 4: The especially with how carefully picture endings are being managed,

979
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 4: the position player has so many more opportunities to impact

980
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 4: your team.

981
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 5: Exactly, did you? I like the Larry Binkfest philosophy. You

982
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 5: always try to acquire pitching in whatever trade you make,

983
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 5: even no matter what he did, even got some sort

984
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 5: of arm in there, but one for one. That's what

985
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 5: made the Jazz Gallon UH trade so fascinating because both

986
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 5: teams are happy with that trade. Yet I don't like

987
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 5: that trade on the surface, I would have liked to

988
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 5: you know, it's like it's it usually doesn't. First of all,

989
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 5: it usually doesn't work out for both. And secondly, I agree, yes,

990
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 5: you want you want the everyday player, but you also

991
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 5: have six years of control of a kind of a

992
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: two A three two three type of guy. You know,

993
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 5: a guy who last year, in my opinion, was the

994
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 5: top five sty Young Award candidate in Gallon. So you

995
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: you don't I prefer Yes, it's a fun trade to

996
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 5: do that, but normally for me, that's a huge like,

997
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 5: have you got Walker in Perez in the trade, then

998
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 5: you got Carlson in a trade, you got you know,

999
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 5: you got some other pieces going. Yeah, you know, you

1000
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: get an arm coming back from Saint Louis. It's not

1001
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 5: going to be a Yuri's caliber, but maybe he's a five,

1002
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: you know, to give you more pitching. That's where you know,

1003
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 5: it's it's fun. These are like, you know, fantasy trades,

1004
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 5: but you know, a real baseball trade would be fun

1005
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 5: to do, to do that, but those are part of

1006
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 5: a package. Let's say it's a six player trade, right.

1007
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: I was sold for this trade that I would have

1008
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: even thrown in more on Miami's side, including Uri for

1009
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: Jordan Walker, because that's just a blue chip position player

1010
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: of prospect that Miami has not had since Yellish.

1011
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you just agree.

1012
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yell at r JT. But JT being

1013
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 5: a catcher, well they're the same year thirteen. Yeah, it's

1014
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 5: that's why it wasn't crazy about the blu Edet trade

1015
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 5: for public. Yeah, it's on the surface, Okay, you could

1016
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 5: look at it too high first rounders who neither one

1017
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 5: has totally you know, made their mark yet. You know

1018
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 5: aj throws you know one hundred, great, but he's got

1019
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: a lot of injury history. I'm moving Bladet as part

1020
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 5: of a package, maybe Bludet and Pablo, you know, and

1021
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 5: then and go get a huge trade. Uh, you know

1022
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 5: you bring much, you bring more back from me Minnesoda. Yeah,

1023
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 5: send him to Tampa, you know, and you get you

1024
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 5: get a rose arena and you know that. Look maybe

1025
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 5: you know you know what I mean, You just you

1026
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 5: just make you you package those guys. Don't just one

1027
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 5: for one those guys.

1028
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: In my opinion, yeah, I think it unless you package

1029
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: in with Pablo.

1030
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: I I really haven't actually loved the Blade trade just

1031
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: because I think you were maybe one or two more

1032
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: months of Blade putting up pedestrian numbers in the high

1033
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: minors or he's gonna have no value whatsoever anymore, so,

1034
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: I think.

1035
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 5: But then you're okay, but what if he has two

1036
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: good months.

1037
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: He has not put together a single good season in

1038
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 3: this No, I know that, I know that, but it's

1039
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: just in in general, it's like you just you basically

1040
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: you're basically for the fourth picking a draft.

1041
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like you for picking a draft. You're like,

1042
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 5: he has no value and we don't have we have

1043
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 5: no confidence, and he's We're just gonna get whatever we

1044
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: can for him. It's not really a great way to

1045
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: handle that situation, right.

1046
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: I think the trade un did better for Miami because

1047
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: you get a reliever which could make get closer.

1048
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: I mean, now he helps you right now, helps you

1049
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: big leay team. Blade was not going to play on

1050
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: this big league team. You know, he's totally blocking.

1051
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 5: Probably the most fascinating thing is they didn't even give

1052
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 5: him a chance, like they they were that soul that

1053
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 5: he couldn't be.

1054
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: Well, it was like launching right.

1055
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: I saw nothing from him that would demonstrate to me

1056
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: that he'd be able to hit big league pitching.

1057
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 5: I think I'm not necessarily just agreeing even in the

1058
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 5: minor leagues Green, what was.

1059
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: The c J Abrams take Riley Green, take Bishop instead?

1060
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 4: Riley Green has had some nice moments already in the spring.

1061
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: It's looking very exciting.

1062
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: Well, okay, let's because you know, I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking.

1063
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 5: Because I was the one guy say and to do

1064
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 5: it back then, but just okay coming out of high school.

1065
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 5: Not one highly respected evaluator had an issue with Riley

1066
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 5: Green quite the swing swing on the right. The opposite

1067
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 5: swing was picture perfect, CJ. No one had a question

1068
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 5: about this wing. JJ Bledet has a hitch in his swing.

1069
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 5: That was and he was four years older. Yeah, it

1070
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 5: was like right there, you know it's like that. Yet

1071
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1072
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: He went five for five against All Britain.

1073
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 5: He has tournament. Yeah, well, hey, when you have.

1074
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: Hori Pisada and Derek Jeter and Gary Denvo and Michael

1075
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: Hill all in attendance for that five or five game,

1076
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: I guess that was enough to persuade them to say

1077
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: JJ Bleda And I think they did something not similar

1078
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: because there's no really high school guys after There were,

1079
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: but not the same caliber as Green. They went with

1080
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: Jacob Barry sixth overall. I personally thought they were to

1081
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: go with someone like Brooks lead. Maybe they catcher Parada

1082
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: on the Mets. What were your thoughts on I know

1083
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: I asked you this in person.

1084
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: The other day. Your thoughts on this draft? And then

1085
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: I think, well, again.

1086
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 5: Uh, I had no problems with the Barry because there's

1087
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 5: someone I really trusted likes Berry. You saw him and

1088
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 5: likes him, so I was given the benefit of doubt there.

1089
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 5: I didn't have a ton I was. I couldn't get

1090
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 5: similar intel from Brooksly other than what the usual suspects

1091
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 5: were writing about him and saying about him. Uh, there's

1092
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 5: clearly some issues to be at least mildly concerned about

1093
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 5: with the Berry swing. You know he's but you know

1094
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: there unless Lee really makes it. I don't know, like

1095
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 5: the high school kids were with the draft last year,

1096
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 5: you know that was you know what I mean, you

1097
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 5: were you weren't going to get Jackson Holiday, we weren't

1098
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: going to get Drew Jones, and and Elijah Green was slipping,

1099
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 5: but he didn't slip that far.

1100
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: I think they Johnson.

1101
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 5: I don't think they would have taken him Tomorrow Johnson,

1102
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 5: you know the Tomorro Johnson Excuse me? Like these are

1103
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 5: you know, really exciting prep players. And when the Rangers

1104
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 5: jump in with Kumar Rocker like right away and pushed

1105
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 5: that line down, like what if Green was there, would

1106
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 5: they have taken him? I know they would have probably

1107
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 5: would I don't think they would have.

1108
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have, but it would have been great. You

1109
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: would have had your center fielder for.

1110
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: I mean, the k Raids ridiculous, but in the potential there,

1111
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 5: but the the tools itself. Like I was, I was

1112
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 5: telling people, I think Elijah Green is the guy that

1113
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 5: could get a lot of GMS and and draft. You know,

1114
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 5: directors fired because you miss on that, then you're fired.

1115
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,479
Speaker 5: But if you were right and the and the red

1116
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 5: flags were too great and you were then you know,

1117
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: but that the cool package, the tool package is just ridiculous.

1118
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: And I know you're so salty about that one. So

1119
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: that twenty eighteen, oh.

1120
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 5: My goodness, are you kidding me?

1121
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: That's that was the beginning of the end. Did Shane

1122
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: mcclan have Taylor? Who else was in that one?

1123
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: That was a lot chrisen Coss was right there for you.

1124
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Wasn't Alex and Logan Gilbert in that one?

1125
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 5: Well? Gilbert as well? That that might go down as

1126
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 5: one of the greatest first round or first round eighteen

1127
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 5: draft is ridiculous.

1128
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: Rushman, Yeah, is that so many other teams made the

1129
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: same mistake out for the Marlins because.

1130
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 5: Was Rushman by nineteen I had to double check on

1131
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 5: that costas.

1132
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: Was eighteen.

1133
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: Eighteen draft was really good was nineteen Yeah nineteen Yeah, yeah,

1134
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 5: would wit it's going to be a superstar as well.

1135
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah that kids that doesn't, that's gonna be special.

1136
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: Any teams in the NL East not, I guess, just

1137
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: to shift more baseball in general. Any teams in the

1138
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: NL that you think are going to be pretty good

1139
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: that weren't last year, Like, you know, the Cubs, Diamondbacks,

1140
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: those type of teams.

1141
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 5: Diamondbacks, if they're pitching their bullpens gonna be real spotty.

1142
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 5: But they have a chance. Yeah, they got speed, they

1143
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 5: got athletes, they got some good young pitching. Uh, Giants, Rockies,

1144
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 5: aren't they yet? The central you know, the Cubs are.

1145
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 5: I don't like. I don't like building that way. You know,

1146
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 5: with all free agents, it's like yeah, as it's like

1147
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 5: usually not the best formula. I don't know why the

1148
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 5: people don't like the Phillies more. You know, it's almost like, yeah,

1149
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 5: the Phillies are really good, really good. Dobrows kid does

1150
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 5: such a great job.

1151
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: They're they're trying to copy a piece of them. The

1152
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: Martins are kind of trying to copy some of what

1153
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: they did with the bad defense and amazing offense.

1154
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's like the people, but it's but they

1155
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: got they improved their defense. They went and got Brandon

1156
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 5: marsh to play center, and then they got started up.

1157
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 5: And when they got stot up and moved them to

1158
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 5: short now you got Turner so stop, you know. So

1159
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 5: they're they're strong.

1160
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: Up the middle.

1161
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, we we know that Castianos and schwarbur

1162
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 5: are back first by a large margin, but it's not

1163
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 5: it's not as plotting. And they for what, Bomb got

1164
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 5: a lot better. He was dreadful for a while, you know. So,

1165
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: but they're they got a nice team going there. They

1166
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 5: got a nice team. What do you think of the match?

1167
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 5: We've seen the Mets a few times. They looked really powerful.

1168
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think they're gonna be good. They

1169
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: always got better, but at the end of they just

1170
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, the Braves sometimes.

1171
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 5: Just like we haven't seen Atlanta, so, you know, are

1172
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 5: they gonna miss Swanson that's a big loss.

1173
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: That is a big loss, and we have to see

1174
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: what they do at shortstop. But I think Grison could

1175
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: be pretty good there.

1176
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't know if he's an every day shortstop.

1177
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 5: That's really really hard to be. They're really rolling their

1178
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: dice on it. Though it's really rolling the dice on it.

1179
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 5: But again, you know, from a Marlin standpoint, you know,

1180
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 5: how are you going to punch with these guys? I

1181
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 5: just don't see it.

1182
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: You know, It's like and.

1183
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: I you know, it's why I kind of wish they

1184
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 5: would have a longer lens and say, Kim's on her

1185
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 5: last year, right, so once you just say, hey, look

1186
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna extend Kim. We catch lightning in a bottle

1187
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 5: this year, so be it. But we're not gonna do

1188
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 5: anything hasty or stupid and try to be more than

1189
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 5: we are. I know we've asked the market for patients before,

1190
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 5: but let's build it more right than you know, kind

1191
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 5: of go all in with because right now your farm

1192
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 5: system is not what it was two years ago. Outside

1193
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 5: of Yuri, you're you know, you're really thin right now.

1194
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 5: And yes, Dax, but you know you're asking a lot

1195
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 5: from him as well, you know. Uh, and then you're like,

1196
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 5: you say, you got your bigger league depth is not

1197
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 5: what it was.

1198
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 4: Well, you touched on it perfectly right there about Kim

1199
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 4: and her status, where it's kind of on ownership to

1200
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: lead that longer term vision. If Kim is on the

1201
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: last year of her deal and she doesn't have full

1202
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: assurance that she has like years to work with, then

1203
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: it's hard to blame her for wanting to accelerate anything.

1204
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 5: No, no, there's no doubt. But it's like what you

1205
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 5: you what? What is it? You know? Win more games

1206
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 5: is the goal? I mean, are we going to be

1207
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 5: happy if we If you had me on in October

1208
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 5: and you're like, hey, guys, we won seventy six games

1209
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 5: or only ten out, are we just to be like

1210
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 5: doing cartwheels like this is wonderful? Like Wow, we're the

1211
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 5: best seventy six win team in baseball. You know, it's like,

1212
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 5: what is it? You know, is is it anything better

1213
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: than sixty nine wins? Is that? Where's the bar? What

1214
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 5: is what is a happy year? Oh? Well we won

1215
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: seventy six, but we lost X number of one run games,

1216
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: so we really were eighty two and eighty So everyone

1217
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 5: gets an extension. I think what.

1218
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: Our good friend David Sampson says, the worst place to

1219
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: be is in the middle you're.

1220
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: Winning, And he's right, he's right, right, of course he is.

1221
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 5: He's right because it's hard to make that up, you know,

1222
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: it would be different. If it would be different, if

1223
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 5: they're there with everything knocking on the door, it's like

1224
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 5: you need to hail Mary passed. Like the Diamonbacks. If

1225
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 5: they got to eighty wins or seventy eight eighty wins.

1226
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 5: They got young controllable guys Corby Carroll, and you know

1227
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 5: they probably will sign at some point, and you know,

1228
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 5: get these guys that are Okay, now we're making this,

1229
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 5: and the next year and the next year, we're now

1230
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: we're we're in the conversation. This is a window. Where's

1231
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 5: the window? The window seems like now we're never the

1232
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 5: window is Sandy.

1233
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. When they signed Sandy

1234
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: to that contract, you basically tried to open your window,

1235
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: your championship not championship, a playoff window or improven window.

1236
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: I would say, because I don't think this seems even

1237
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: close to a World Series, Joe, before you close it out,

1238
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: what are your twenty twenty three expectations for the Marlins.

1239
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 5: About what the twenty twenty two if I think Adam

1240
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 5: looks very similar, so I think it's gonna be that

1241
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 5: kind of year. So we'll we'll say, we'll see all.

1242
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Right, and I think we could close it out here.

1243
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: So from Eli, from Joe and myself, we see guys

1244
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: on the next one piece out and go fish. We

1245
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: gotta end it off right