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Speaker 2: What's happening. My name is Jason Martin. We are live

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Speaker 2: broadcasting from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Feels like a

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Speaker 2: throwback for me. This is the old time slot. There

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Speaker 2: was something called the Jason Martin Show back in the day,

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Speaker 2: years and years ago before I joined up with my

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Speaker 2: pal Aaron Torres for the slot that just finished with

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Speaker 2: him at Olden Polonies holding it down and crushing it tonight.

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Speaker 2: But Bernie Fratto is out this week, getting some respite,

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Speaker 2: getting some rest. Hope he is well, hope his family

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Speaker 2: is well. He'll be back next week. And so they

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Speaker 2: called me back in and said, hey, why don't you

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Speaker 2: move a little bit later. We understand you're in the

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Speaker 2: Central time zone, but look sleep just can't be a

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Speaker 2: priority for you. You have two daughters anyway, And so here

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Speaker 2: I am over the next four hours. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to use the Bernie Frido cliches. I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: It's sacker sanc that he will talk about sports being

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Speaker 2: the greatest tree show. And I can't remember all of them.

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Speaker 2: They're just Bernie Fratto witticisms. But what I can talk

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Speaker 2: to you about is the Eastern Conference Finals. What I

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Speaker 2: can talk to you about is the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: What I can talk to you about is the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: I said that softly because I'm pretty sure the league

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Speaker 2: doesn't exist at present without Caitlin Clark playing. But we'll

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Speaker 2: get to all of those things, and we'll have Mark Medina,

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Speaker 2: our good friend and NBA analysts joining me in the

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Speaker 2: next segment. We're gonna talk twenty solid minutes of hoops

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Speaker 2: with him breaking down everything from these two conference finals,

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Speaker 2: the finals itself, and also some of the other issues

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Speaker 2: involving the association. Maybe not even bring up Lebron James

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Speaker 2: at all during that talk. We'll see, but the NBA

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Speaker 2: draft kind of coming up in Giannie's future, and all

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Speaker 2: sorts of things like that. There's just a ton to

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Speaker 2: get into with mar Medina. But we will start with

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference Finals where the Knicks are now done

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Speaker 2: and the Pacers are in the NBA Finals one to

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Speaker 2: oh eight. So the Knicks played with them for a half.

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Speaker 2: It really was. I heard Barkley say at halftime, look,

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Speaker 2: they've got them where they want them right now, meaning

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Speaker 2: the Knicks. They were only down four. It was fifty

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Speaker 2: eight to fifty four, and it did feel like the

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Speaker 2: Pacers were playing well, but the Knicks were right there

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Speaker 2: with them, and even though they were down three games

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Speaker 2: to two, all the pressure was on Indy. And the

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Speaker 2: reason why is because no one thinks you're up three

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Speaker 2: to one. You obviously get get beat pretty badly in

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Speaker 2: New York in game five. Then you have it on

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Speaker 2: your home floor to close it out. You can't do it,

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Speaker 2: and then you're gonna have to go back to their building,

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Speaker 2: to Madison Square Garden in a game seven, and you know,

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Speaker 2: pick your teeth off the ground and get back out

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Speaker 2: there and somehow win that game and not have your

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Speaker 2: heart basically choking you out because it's so deep in

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Speaker 2: your throat at that point in time. It just that's

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Speaker 2: not what you want. So all the pressures on them

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Speaker 2: they have to close it out. They should close it out.

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Speaker 2: They're favored to close it out. It's in their building.

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Speaker 2: But they're the Indiana Pacers. So you're still seeing a

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Speaker 2: lot of columns being written to a boy, the Knicks

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Speaker 2: aren't done yet, because that's what they're supposed to say.

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Speaker 2: But the third and fourth quarter belonged to the Indiana Pacers,

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Speaker 2: and it was here that we saw the difference in

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Speaker 2: the series. These games that the Pacers won they won

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Speaker 2: because they were able to close the deal. And that's

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Speaker 2: generally the case in sports. You can play a great

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Speaker 2: probably still going to go home. You saw what happened

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Speaker 2: in Game one, seventeen point lead, the Knicks lost it.

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Speaker 2: They were up nine in the final minute. The Knicks

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Speaker 2: lost on a crazy bounce, one of the most ridiculous

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Speaker 2: bounces I've ever seen on that jump shot from Tyreese

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Speaker 2: Halliburton to send it to overtime, or maybe none of

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Speaker 2: this happens. I'll ask Marbadina that question in the next segment.

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Speaker 2: I'll say, look, if the Knicks win Game one, are

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Speaker 2: the Knicks in the NBA Finals? Did the entire series

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Speaker 2: come down to that? When they stole that game on

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Speaker 2: the road, when the Indiana Pacers stole that game on

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Speaker 2: Did that change everything for this series? Or were we

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Speaker 2: answer to that question. About twenty minutes or so, fifteen

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Speaker 2: minutes or so from right now, but all the pressure

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Speaker 2: they were just too much. When they needed to make threes,

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Speaker 2: they made threes, Unlike the Knicks, who shot barely sixty

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Speaker 2: but they only made one more. They were six seventeen

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Speaker 2: percent from three nine to thirty two. Almost everything that

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Speaker 2: they faced was difficult throughout this game. And then for

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Speaker 2: the Pacer they shoot fifty four percent from the field,

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Speaker 2: fifty one percent from three seventeen to thirty three. They

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Speaker 2: flat out gonna get beat when that happens. And then defensively,

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Speaker 2: they played great defense, and the Knicks, I'm still waiting

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Speaker 2: for them, their season is over, so there's no more

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Speaker 2: time to play defense. They did have Mitchell Robinson rebounding

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Speaker 2: like an absolute madman, like a cyborg out there doing

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Speaker 2: win it going away like it's a seventeen point win

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Speaker 2: that really wasn't even that close. If you watched the

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Speaker 2: So every time it felt like the Pacers were about

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Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about Karl Anthony Town's lethargic

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Speaker 2: so he's still responsible for playing defense and he just

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Speaker 2: kind of wasn't there for you. But to the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: Pacers are fifty to thirty two during the regular season.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody took them seriously entering the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much nobody, I would say, throughout this series, the

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Speaker 2: discourse has had almost nothing to do with how good

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Speaker 2: the Pacers are, and instead what I am now going

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Speaker 2: to term nontent. I've never heard this before. Somebody else

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Speaker 2: may have this thing. I'm not gonna copyright it. Somebody

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say nontent because that's what this is.

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Speaker 2: Nontent about whether or not this weird discussion as to

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Speaker 2: whether or not Tyrese Haliburton is a superstar. That is

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Speaker 2: what we were getting over and over. It seemed like

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Speaker 2: on TV all throughout this series. Is Tyrese Haliburton a

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Speaker 2: star or is he a superstar. Is he a good player?

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Speaker 2: Is he a really good player? Is he a great player?

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Speaker 2: But is he a superstar? Like? My goodness, man. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: the Pacers advanced to the NBA Finals with a four

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Speaker 2: know why this was. Look, Tyres had twenty one in

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Speaker 2: the final game. He's pretty quiet early. Pascal Siakam, I

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Speaker 2: think he got five of the nine votes and Haliburton

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Speaker 2: a couple of games where Siakam went absolutely off game two,

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Speaker 2: and then here in this game they needed every point

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Speaker 2: that he scored early because some of the other guys,

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Speaker 2: But once Haliburton woke up, boy did he wake up.

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Speaker 2: And of course he had his usual you know, thirteen

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Speaker 2: him it. We'll talk to Madina about Tyrese Aliburton. But

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Speaker 2: some of this stuff, it's just like, gosh, every show

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Speaker 2: this would be okay if it was a twenty minute show,

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Speaker 2: like this could be a thirty minute sitcom with commercial breaks,

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Speaker 2: this is the Netflix series that really doesn't have twelve

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Speaker 2: It was this weird whatever it was, was one of

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Speaker 2: hours to try and capture your eyeballs. I feel that

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Speaker 2: sports television. It's like they have about an hour too much,

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Speaker 2: they've got to find something to talk about. So instead

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Speaker 2: of breaking down the game from like a really objective standpoint,

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Speaker 2: it becomes content, It becomes is Tyrese Haliburton a superstar

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Speaker 2: over and over again for the sole purpose of hopefully

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Speaker 2: attracting Tyreese Halliburton's attention so he might say something about it,

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Speaker 2: which can then generate more nontent for the next couple

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Speaker 2: Ka Patrick drifting off an actual good auto racer. There's

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Speaker 2: more to talk about than this, But nobody talked about

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Speaker 2: the Pacers. I don't think anybody wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: him because nobody had watched them enough to understand that, wow,

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Speaker 2: this is actually a pretty good basketball team. And oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, they were good last year in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: and Tyreese Halliburton was good a year ago, and he

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Speaker 2: went through a shooting slump in the fall and had

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Speaker 2: I have some depression right now, had to kind of

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Speaker 2: a big way. And he looks like he's having an

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Speaker 2: absolute blast right now. But no one talked about the

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Speaker 2: Pacers during the season because there's no headlines there. But

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Speaker 2: now you have no choice because they're in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: It's not the Boston Celtics, it's not the New York Knicks,

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Speaker 2: it's not the Philadelphia seventy six ers, it's not the

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Speaker 2: Miami Heat. It's the Indiana Pacers for the second time

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Speaker 2: in franchise history. The other time, of course, was the

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Speaker 2: Reggie Miller team that lost four to two to Shacks Lakers,

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Speaker 2: Shaq and Kobe's Lakers. Will this one go longer than six?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they get it. During the break, I said, look,

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Speaker 2: He's been everywhere joining us right now. I don't know

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Speaker 4: Well, Jason, I usually just roll with whatever Bernie says.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think anyone's ever referred to me as

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Speaker 4: Sure, whatever you want. I'm a guest adapt all.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think when I look at it up close,

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Speaker 4: Pascal Siakam earned that MVP. But from a big picture, Lens,

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like New York was maybe overhyped because

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Speaker 4: Yes, I know they're given more credit because it's New York, It's,

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Speaker 2: so this was the dumbest discourse of the week and

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Speaker 2: This this drove me insane. Mark, is Tyrese Haliburton a superstar?

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Speaker 2: Became like the talking point of the week, and it

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Speaker 2: that there are degrees of superstar, but I think it's

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's crazy that that's even a talking

428
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Speaker 2: point at this stage? Like, yes, I understand he's not

429
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Speaker 2: Lebron James, I get it, but Tyre's Halliburton has to

430
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Speaker 2: be a superstar.

431
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well I'm not surprised because that's how the discourse is.

432
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 4: I think also you know a lot of people have

433
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Speaker 4: been milking that Athletic anonymous player's poll that's that he's overrated,

434
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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't think anything of it's made up,

435
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Speaker 4: but it was a very small sample size, and my

436
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 4: hunch is at all of it came out of fruition

437
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 4: with professional jealousy because he got deep in the playoffs

438
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 4: last year, he was on the Olympics, didn't really play much.

439
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 4: You know, he's very boisterous when it comes to his celebrations.

440
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 4: The other thing is I don't think he's overrated, but

441
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: he has been inconsistent at times simply as a score

442
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: and people around him, including his train and Drew Handling,

443
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: they're always in his ear about you got to be

444
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 4: more aggressive. Sometimes the most selfish thing you can do

445
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 4: is be unselfish. But to then say, Okay, he's not

446
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 4: a superstar, he's not an All Star player, he's overrated, ridiculous.

447
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 4: He's been on All Star Games for a reason, He's

448
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 4: been on the Olympics for a reason. He only had

449
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Speaker 4: d MP's last year. Because you're, you know, putting Steve

450
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Speaker 4: Current a situation where a he wasn't forty one hundred

451
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Speaker 4: percent and b you know you're having to think, Okay,

452
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Speaker 4: who do you replace when you have a team full

453
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Speaker 4: of established veterans like Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and Lebron James.

454
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Speaker 4: You're riding with them. So yeah, he has shown he

455
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 4: right now in the last two years, best passing point

456
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 4: guard in the NBA. He's very good at those pocket passes,

457
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: those jump passes, the two man game with him in

458
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: Pascal Siakam, I know that Siakam, he's kind of a

459
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: plug and play player because he's an All Star caliber

460
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: player that won a championship with the Raptors. He didn't

461
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 4: need the ball in his hands a lot. He's very

462
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Speaker 4: good at cutting. But it's also testament to Tyres Halbert

463
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 4: and knowing where to find him instantly. And so yeah,

464
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Speaker 4: it is a dumb talking point, but you know what,

465
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Speaker 4: it's easy for us to knock it down because there's

466
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Speaker 4: so many things you can rattle off that make him

467
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: such a great player. Doesn't mean he's a finished product.

468
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 4: He's had some games in this playoff series where you know,

469
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Speaker 4: he didn't score enough and wasn't aggressive enough, wasn't adapting

470
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Speaker 4: to New York's double teams. But he has pretty good

471
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 4: bounce back track record, and you know, overall the worst

472
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Speaker 4: case scenarios that game, He's just one hell of a passer.

473
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Speaker 2: Did this series basically come down the game one? I

474
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Speaker 2: heard Barkley suggests this on the broadcast last night, that

475
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Speaker 2: look at the Knicks, don't blow that seventeen point lead.

476
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Speaker 2: Maybe we're having a completely different conversation tonight on this program.

477
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Speaker 2: Did it? Is it that simple? I mean, obviously nothing

478
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: else would have been identical after that fact, That's not

479
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: how history works. But blowing that lead in that manner,

480
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Speaker 2: having that bounce go against them on the Halliburton shot,

481
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Speaker 2: and then losing in overtime to all those threes like

482
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Speaker 2: that had to take a ton of starts out of

483
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Speaker 2: them because they played a ton of minutes in that

484
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Speaker 2: game only to lose on their home floor.

485
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I disagree with Charles Barklay Reggie mellern. Well, if

486
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Speaker 4: they play the game, they know, But that kind of

487
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: contradicts what a lot of you know, people, both players

488
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: and media members say with playoff series that assuming no

489
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Speaker 4: major injuries, each game has its own identity and there's

490
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Speaker 4: not necessarily carryover because it's the best the seven game series.

491
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Speaker 4: You know, I think with the Knicks. Obviously it foreshadowed

492
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Speaker 4: some trends that the Pacers are really great in clutch time,

493
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: you got to take care of the ball, and that

494
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: no lead is too unsafe, and those became things that

495
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Speaker 4: explain future losses. But I don't want to say that

496
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 4: the series is over after game one because a the

497
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Speaker 4: Knicks are a resilient team. They always competed every win,

498
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Speaker 4: every loss. They were able to win games in the series,

499
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Speaker 4: and you know they lost other games in the series

500
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Speaker 4: for similar reasons, but they had the opportunity right in

501
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Speaker 4: front of their hands. So it definitely for the Pacers,

502
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Speaker 4: I think set the tone and foreshadow what this could

503
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Speaker 4: be in a series. But I don't buy again, barring

504
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Speaker 4: a star player getting hurt first game of the series,

505
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Speaker 4: to say that game one is what the side of

506
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Speaker 4: the series, because yeah, I mean, I guess technically you

507
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Speaker 4: fast forward six games later, the Pacers won, advanced to

508
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Speaker 4: the finals, the Knicks won the first game, it would

509
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Speaker 4: have been a game seven. But you know, I don't

510
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Speaker 4: think that because the Pacers won Game one automatically, man, yeah,

511
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: Nick had no way of gaining out of this, and

512
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 4: there it was inevitable that they are going to lose.

513
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 4: They had a lot of opportunities through wins and losses,

514
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Speaker 4: to you know, salvage this, and they put up a

515
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 4: good fight, but it came down execution and most of

516
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: the time they weren't able to do that.

517
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about the finals in just a second,

518
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Speaker 2: but one guy that will not be playing in the

519
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: NBA Finals is Anthony Edwards. A lot of people talking

520
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: about Anthony Edwards right now, just like they were last year.

521
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: But last year, last year, it was all about how

522
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 2: he was the next Michael Jordan, and now it seems

523
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Speaker 2: to be right, yeah, right, exactly. My take is this,

524
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Speaker 2: And by the way, everybody's been talking about Anthony Edwards,

525
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to do it now or two. I'm

526
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: gonna spend an entire segment talking about Anthony Edwards. So

527
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Speaker 2: I'm not excluding myself from this discussion. But I feel

528
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: like Anthony Edwards is more KD than he is Steph.

529
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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is he's a baller.

530
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Speaker 2: He's a dude that wants to hoop, but I don't

531
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Speaker 2: know that he really has any interest in leading. I

532
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: don't know if that that side of the maturity of game.

533
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Speaker 2: I don't know that that's what he wants. Maybe it is,

534
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: but right now, he's just a really good basketball player.

535
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Speaker 2: But I think that's kind of where it stops, and

536
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: that's the thing that kind of feels like it's still

537
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Speaker 2: missing in his game. Where do you think Anthony Edwards

538
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Speaker 2: is right now?

539
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Speaker 4: I think in the middle. I think that he is

540
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: not above scrutiny just because he's young, and you know,

541
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: people throw the cliches out. Oh, sometimes you have to

542
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: go through failure to then bounce back in the playoffs.

543
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: I mean, look, when you lay single digit eggs in

544
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 4: the playoffs, he got to be better. There's no excuses

545
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: for that. Now, I think that he has improved as

546
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: a leader. Part of that is maturity. Part of that

547
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: is just the makeup of the team, carl An Hayne

548
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: Towns getting traded, there was a leadership acum. Part of

549
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Speaker 4: it was. I think, to Anthony Edwards' credit was that

550
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Speaker 4: the first few years in the league, he had told me,

551
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: even his second year of the league, that he didn't

552
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: feel comfortable being a leader on a team full of

553
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: veterans when he hasn't done much. So I think talking

554
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: to people in the organization They liked that the reluctance

555
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: came from a good place, that he didn't want to

556
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: act like he knew all the answers. He wanted a

557
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: further the veterans. He's gotten more comfortable with being vocal.

558
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: You know. Nasree was telling me earlier in the season

559
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: that after win against the Clippers in November, he said, hey,

560
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 4: to these are the guys in the locker room. He said, Hey,

561
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: if I'm not doing something, hold me accountable, because I

562
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: can't hold you accountable if you don't hold me accountable.

563
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: So he's gotten the respect there. But I think that's

564
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: a much different conversation on is he the face of

565
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 4: the league moving forward? Because to be the face of

566
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: the league moving forward, you got to have an automatic

567
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: all Star caliber game every single night, whether it's fishing

568
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: or not because of swarming defenses, you still got to produce.

569
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Speaker 4: He hasn't done that enough. I think he also has

570
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: to be willing to take out responsibility, and he's been

571
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: on record saying he doesn't want to be a face

572
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: in the league, like to what you said about Kevin Durant.

573
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: He has that embodiment that hey, he wants to just

574
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: hoop clock in clock out and go home. He doesn't

575
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: want to do all the other stuff. Now, he does have,

576
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: you know, a very positive personality. Guys like being around him.

577
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: I think from a leadership standpoint. They like that he

578
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: would point the finger when he have a bad game.

579
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: He would often you know, praise his teammates you know,

580
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: for good games, and also stand up for them with criticism.

581
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean he's facing the league. If I

582
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: had to nominate someone right now, I think shake Glis

583
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: Alexander is a much better ambassador for that. I would

584
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Speaker 4: he actually even say Jalen Brunson is. And it's not

585
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: because you know, oh, he's a championship caliber player. He

586
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: doesn't want a championship yet, but I just think he's

587
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: more mostly mature, established at this point to be that guy.

588
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: So what does this mean moving forward? He definitely has

589
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: the potential to do that because again he's young, but

590
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: he has a lot of work to do. And you know, again,

591
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: I'm not going to just cut him slack and say, oh, yeah,

592
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: he's entitled to have playoff failure because he's young. He

593
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: had some inexcusable games and he's got to be better.

594
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Speaker 2: So so Mark, you mentioned Brunson at SGA. So apparently

595
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: you think that d NB face should be a foulbator.

596
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm getting from That's what I'm getting

597
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: from your from your thought on that. So I'm a

598
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Thunder fan, So I'm elated right now because my guys

599
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: are back in the NBA Finals after a long drought

600
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: and some down years. And I love what you're saying

601
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: about SGA, But I do question what's the storyline of

602
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: this final is going to be? What's going to be

603
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: talked about more the quality of the Thunder as a

604
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: team perhaps or the like unwatchability of the fouling that

605
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: goes on around Shay Gildes Alexander.

606
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's probably going to be the latter

607
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: because it's more interesting to talk about. I'm sure it's

608
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: also going to be talked about that. Oh, these are

609
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: two small market teams. There's not a lot of playoff bus.

610
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: You know, the NBA wants all this parody, but what

611
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: if no one's watching. We'll see what the ratings are.

612
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: I think in the last year the ratings have relatively improved.

613
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: But as it pertains to the Thunder and Shay Gilders Alexander. Yes,

614
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: he deserves some Oscar nominations for how he's self called,

615
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's the same level severity as

616
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: I've seen James Harden do, where you know, he's flailing

617
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: at the foul line, he's jumping into other people's landing

618
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: areas and then gain upset when they're in his landing area.

619
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Speaker 4: I think with Shay Goges Alexandria, there might be some

620
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 4: embellished contact, but I think that the majority of his

621
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: free throws are more earned than fabricated. He's using angles well,

622
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: he gets to the rim. Usually when you get to

623
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: the rim, you're drawing actual contact than when you're hoisting

624
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: up threes. And you know, he's just a great crafty

625
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: playmaker that knows how to score. And while his bread

626
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: and butter is getting to the rim for easy hoops.

627
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: He's reduced some of his weaknesses. He's improved to a three

628
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: point shooter. He's a good meat range shot. He's never

629
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 4: going to, you know, win any comparisons as the next

630
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: John Stockton or Steve Nash, but he has improved as

631
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 4: a playmaker. Even though he's an isolation heavy player, he

632
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: has a lot of good depth around him. Joe Williams

633
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: getting all started, not because he's become a more consistent scorer.

634
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 4: His pick and roll game with Isaiah Hartenstein and chet

635
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: Holmger are great. Talking with Isaiah earlier this season, he said,

636
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: one of the things that makes Shay such a great

637
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: pick and roll partner is he knows how to read

638
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: those angles and you know, so he doesn't have to

639
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: do it for him. So he's a real ston of

640
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: the game. He knows how to play well. He masters

641
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: the intricacies, and one of the intricacies is knowing how

642
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: drawn fell. So what I'm getting at Jason is that

643
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: he does use that, but it's one of many tools

644
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: in his toolbox. It's not a one trick pony. And

645
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: so I think, you know him gained that label that

646
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: he's this freezer mercenary I think is a bit strong,

647
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: but that's what it's all about in the playoffs, and

648
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: you know the media environment that we're in.

649
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: Hey man, Paul Pierce was a free throw mercenary too,

650
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: like a lot of them.

651
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: So we got her in this playoff series. He will

652
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: not come out with a wheelchairs.

653
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: So thirty seconds then we gotta go. But go ahead

654
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: and predict it. How is it gonna go? Is Are

655
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: the Thunder gonna win this thing in three or are

656
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: they just gonna have to play the four games? Based

657
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: on everything I'm seeing, they're like a minus seven to

658
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: fifty favorite entering the entering the finals, which terrifies me

659
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: as a Thunder fan. But but how do you see

660
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: it going?

661
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: Well, thirty seconds, I can keep it pretty sure. Yeah,

662
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 4: the Thunder's gonna win. They're gonna win five games. Only

663
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: reason I think the Pacers will get one game is

664
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: the Thunder one want their guard down. The Pacers will

665
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: go all out in the game three to avoid a sweep.

666
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: But I think as much as the Pacers have been

667
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: great with Hyres Haliburton's play, their depth and pace, Thunder

668
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: a whole another level. Sga got MVP for a reason.

669
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: Best scorer in the league. They have a lot of

670
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: great depth. Their defense is the best in the league,

671
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: so many wings that create turnovers, great offense. The series

672
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 4: will be fun to watch because of Thunder are such

673
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: a great dominant team, But it's not gonna be competitive.

674
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: I think Spurs Nets in two thousand and three, Spurs

675
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 4: Cavs in two thousand and seven.

676
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Mark, You're the best brother.

677
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 4: Have a good right back at you. He's a joint.

678
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: That is Mark Madena. I think that's Mark g Underscore

679
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Medina on x Be sure to check out Fox Sports

680
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: Radio YouTube channel ton of great videos from everybody on FSR.

681
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: On YouTube, you'll see a whole bunch of video highlights

682
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Speaker 2: from all the shows. Be sure to subscribe while you're

683
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Speaker 2: there so you always have instant access to our Fox

684
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Sports Radio videos on YouTube. Coming up next, live from

685
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio Studios, saying goodbye to a legend TNT.

686
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: That's next FSR. Okay, wasn't expecting the verb, but we'll

687
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: take it. Weirdly enough, Almost every time I pick like

688
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: a nineties alternative ride on Peloton, some reason this pops

689
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: up way more than I would like, just because this

690
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: isn't really what I'm This one's not really gonna, you know,

691
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: bring up the the output number all that much. But

692
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm digging it in this role. So you never know

693
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: how good you've got it until it's gone. Except in

694
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: this case, I think we knew exactly what we had

695
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: for the last thirty six years. Thirty six years Turner

696
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: had the NBA TBS, TNT, and last night was the

697
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: final broadcast as the Eastern Conference Finals comes to an end.

698
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: Of course, ABC and ESPN don't have the NBA Finals,

699
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: and so this was kind of the sendoff for Turner.

700
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: It was the sendoff for Inside the NBA because of

701
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: everything that we know about. We've talked about on all

702
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: the shows, I'm sure over the course of the last season.

703
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: But you know, these guys are still going to be

704
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: working together in the same studio with much of the

705
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: same crew, but it's going to air on a different network.

706
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: And that's how Ernie Johnson actually said it on the broadcast.

707
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: But is it going to be the same We're going

708
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: to talk more later on in the show about that

709
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: because our own Rob Parker had an interesting take on it.

710
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: We'll play the audio for you a little later on

711
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: in the show. But gave them freedom, Turner gave them

712
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: the freedom to make it what it was. And one

713
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: of the reasons why is because they had the room

714
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: to be themselves, but they also had the room to breathe.

715
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: I think two of the biggest problems for ESPN's coverage

716
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: is first off, I mean the guys that they have

717
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: doing it, the people that they have doing their studio show,

718
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: they're not as good because it's just not quite as natural.

719
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: But they're also and some of that's their fault, but

720
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: a lot of it is out of their control because

721
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: the breaks are so frequent and the time that they

722
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: actually have to analyze is so short they have to

723
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: get to another commercial break, so everybody's comment feels rushed.

724
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: It's like you have fifteen seconds say as many words

725
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: as you can, and that fifteen seconds end it with

726
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: equip and then the next guy will pick it up.

727
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: There's nothing natural about it. So the NBA on TNT

728
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: it always felt relaxed. Yes, you still had the same

729
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: kind of time overall between the half and the star

730
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: of the third quarter, but it was used differently. Everything flowed,

731
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: it was never in a rush. It felt more conversational,

732
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: even though they were still trying to get across things.

733
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: But there was clearly not just bullet point agendas that

734
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: needed to be gotten to. It's just we're gonna let

735
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Shaq and Kenny, and before Shack was even there, we're

736
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: gonna let Kenny and we're gonna let Charles analyze and

737
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: break this game down the way that they want to. Yes,

738
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: We'll have a couple of things that will do regularly,

739
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: but a lot of it is just gonna be letting

740
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: them talk. And that's the kind of thing you just

741
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: don't get. You just don't and that's why it's not

742
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: gonna be touched again. But I actually want to point

743
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: out one other thing that happened. It wasn't on the

744
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: inside broadcast, and that was what Reggie Miller said to

745
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan on the floor. I thought Alley of the

746
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: Force was great in what she said as well, But

747
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: what Reggie Miller said to Kevin Harlan was one of

748
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: the most genuine, just kindest, greatest tributes I've ever heard

749
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: in some kind of a scenario like that, because he

750
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: talked about being next to Kevin for so many years

751
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: and working with him, watching how good he was. And

752
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Kevin Harland is just incredible and has been. He's you

753
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: can't find anybody better. He and I and Eagle are

754
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: the top of the list. But Reggie talking about just

755
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: what he learned from Kevin Harland, and so he was

756
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: saying all this and Kevin Harlan was getting a little

757
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: emotional listening to it, and Reggie was getting emotional and

758
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: then Reggie said, and you made me a better father

759
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: because I watched how how you were a dad O

760
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: losing Turner and losing television. I don't even care the

761
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: fact that Reggie said that to Kevin Harlan. That is

762
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: the greatest accomplishment of Kevin Harlan's entire career, that Reggie

763
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: saw him and said, I want to be a better

764
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: father because of how he is as a dad. When

765
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: we come back, we'll reset the Eastern Conference Finals and more.

766
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: You're listening to sports, we'll reset and talk again about

767
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference Finals. Here in just a moment, I

768
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: am Jason Martin. We are live broadcasting from the Fox

769
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios in for Bernie Frato tonight as he

770
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: is taking a well deserved week off, hopefully resting well,

771
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully his family is doing well. Look forward to hearing

772
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: him back next week. Knicks are out, Pacers are ins,

773
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: gond Be Pacers, Thunder in the NBA Finals. Mark Medena,

774
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: our NBA expert, joined us in hour one and said,

775
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: thunder in five. I'll give you my official prediction at

776
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: the very end of the program, just a little under

777
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: three hours from right now. I did ask Madina I

778
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: asked him if brunts and dribbles too much, and he said,

779
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's out of selfish reasons,

780
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: but he didn't exactly deny it either, and I agree

781
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: with him, by the way, I don't think it's a

782
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: selfish thing from Jalen Brunson. I don't think it's not

783
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: trusting other people. I just think that's kind of a

784
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: weiry fine himself right now. But I do think that

785
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: if he watches the tape and watches the film and

786
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: wants to find room for improvement going into next year,

787
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: I think his off ball performance is going to be

788
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: the thing that maybe can help him out a little

789
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: because he's so ball dominant, not ball hog necessarily. But

790
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: there were a couple of possessions, especially in that second half,

791
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: where Brunsa just didn't pass. I mean he held the

792
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: ball for seventeen eighteen seconds just trying to make something happen.

793
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: And maybe he was trying to pass the ball, but

794
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: he also I think he was just singularly focused, like

795
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: I have to be the one to shoot right now,

796
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: I've got to do all of these things well. He

797
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: ended up not having a particularly good game, and he

798
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: may have been exhausted. He's played a ton of minutes,

799
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: obviously for a team that is not particularly deep. He

800
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: played thirty four in this game, but he was eight

801
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: of eighteen from the field, only had nineteen points. You're

802
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: going to have to get more from him than that.

803
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: I mean, og Ananobi was their leading scorer for the Knicks.

804
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: He had twenty four in this game, and he really

805
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 2: was on the mark except from three, but nobody wearing

806
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: a Knicks jersey was good from three. They were nine

807
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: to thirty two in the ballgame, not even thirty percent, uh,

808
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: and then their opponents were over fifty percent from beyond

809
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: the arc. Not to mention, the Knicks couldn't shoot a

810
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: free throw to save their life. So they get beat

811
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: by seventeen one twenty five to one aweight. We'll see

812
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: what the Knicks bring back next year? Will they bring

813
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: back Tom Thibodeau. Many more things to talk about as

814
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: it relates to the NBA Finals, but also just this series,

815
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: which was very entertaining, especially early. But a lot of

816
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: these games were just super competitive, super physical, but there

817
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: was a lot of respect between these two teams. In

818
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: the end, I predicted with Aaron Torres, I told him.

819
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: I said, here's my wild prediction of this series. Somebody's

820
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: gonna get suspended because this thing's can get out of control.

821
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: There's going to be a fight or something like that

822
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: during this series. Didn't happen a lot of professional basketball.

823
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: There were some hard fowls. Josh Hart took one to

824
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: the face. I think it was from Siaka. It wasn't

825
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: anything dirty, it was just it was at Seahockem actually,

826
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: but it it looked rough, but it was not intentionally

827
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: designed hit him in the face. I think he was

828
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: going for the ball. There's just a lot of hard

829
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: playoff fouls, some really hard nosed basketball played, but some

830
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 2: really dramatic games that were played. But ultimately, the team

831
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: that knew how to close is a team that's still playing,

832
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: that goes for game one, it goes for Game three,

833
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: and it certainly goes for Game six because this was

834
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: a four point game. To happen in the second half

835
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 2: is just like the Knicks had nothing left. But really

836
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: the Pacers took it out of them. And anytime that

837
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: the Pacers could run, if they could just pick up

838
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: the pace of the game. And I'm not trying to

839
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: make a pun there, but if they were able to run,

840
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: get out and run, get on the fast break, get turnovers,

841
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: which the Knicks had seventeen turnovers in this game, and

842
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: the Pacers made them pay for all of them. But

843
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: they could run the Knicks off the floor because they're

844
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: just so much more athletic when it came down to it,

845
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: and they wanted to lay faster. When the pace slowed

846
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: down and was more of a half court game, that's

847
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: where the Knicks held more of an advantage because that's

848
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: not where the Pacers are at their best. But in

849
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: this game the next game, everything they wanted, and the

850
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: Pacers seemed to have the answer for a number of

851
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: passing lanes that they were able to take that thing

852
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: the other way, I get uncontested layups or easy shots there,

853
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: So to be them in the thunder Thunder or a

854
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: minus seven to fifty favorite. I think the Pacers number

855
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: I saw was plus five fifty or five twenty five.

856
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: So that series will start on Thursday. But I want

857
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: to lead. Actually I said this, I wanted to reset there,

858
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: but I wanted to lead this segment with the WNBA.

859
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: That has to sound strange to you, because I'm not

860
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: sure people realize that that league still exists. Caitlin Clark

861
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: got injured, and pretty much the minute that happened, the

862
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: WNBA was not talked about at all, well outside of

863
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: one story which was also Kitlin Clark adjacent, which we'll

864
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: talk about here in just a moment. But ESPN's not

865
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: even pushing it on, pushing it on their website, which

866
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: they were doing relentlessly for the first couple of weeks

867
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: of the season. For all this talk of the WNBA

868
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: being a league on the rise and how it's not

869
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: about one player, the minute that one player got injured,

870
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: nobody cared, like and I mean nobody cared. And we

871
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: saw Kaitlyn Clark at the Pacers Knicks game in Game six,

872
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: and like there was like, oh yeah, women, women played basketball.

873
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 2: I forgot about that. There's Kaitlyn Clark, She's celebrating threes

874
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: for the Pacers in that game in the first half.

875
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Watching in stands of course, if she's gonna miss four

876
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: games or whatever it is with this injury. The only

877
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: WNBA story that I have seen outside of that one

878
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: that we'll be talking about here in second is that

879
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: Page Becker's the rookie phenom from Connecticut who's you know,

880
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: just trying to kind of get her feet wet. Any

881
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: WNBA being placed in concussion protocol. I saw that in

882
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: like a list of sports headlines. I was like, oh, well,

883
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: that's no good. But that's really it. But the only

884
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: other story of the week was Yes, it was that

885
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: one where the WNBA came out put out a statement

886
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: reviewing they could not corroborate or find any evidence of

887
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: the racial slurs that were allegedly being hurled at Angel

888
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: Reese in Indiana from Fever fans. The reason they didn't

889
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: find any evidence of that is that it's kind of

890
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: impossible to find evidence when none exists. I'm taking this

891
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: to the river. I'm calling your bluff. The reason you

892
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: didn't find evidence is because there was no evidence to find.

893
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: So we've had apologies from media personalities who jumped a gun.

894
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: We got this like, oh my bad, sorry, I guess

895
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: I guess that wasn't a thing. We've had that popping

896
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: out here after fans have been vilified, and even the

897
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Indiana Fever weirdly in their statement after the WNBA finals

898
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: or the WNBA statement came out saying, yo, you know,

899
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: we don't tolerate this kind of behavior either and all,

900
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: like there's no reason for them to even say anything

901
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: at that point, Like, really, there's no reason for them

902
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: to say anything other than, yeah, maybe don't vilify the

903
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: fans with no evidence just because you want something to

904
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: be true. And that's the point here. What's truly sad

905
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: about this story. And I don't think that this is

906
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: any kind of a controversial opinion to have. If you

907
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: watch the way this was covered, if you watch the

908
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: way this was written about, the way it was talked

909
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: about on TV, on websites, on podcasts, on radio programs,

910
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: everywhere sports discourse takes place, there is no real other

911
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: conclusion to have other than that the WNBA, not everybody,

912
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: but a lot of the players and certainly all the

913
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: interested parties, the WNBA and certainly the media desperately wanted

914
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: this to be true. They wanted to find that evidence,

915
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: not to get to the bottom of the story, but

916
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 2: to have an excuse for their own bigotry. That sounds controversial,

917
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: but it really isn't. The racism kind of seems like

918
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: it was on the other side, and it feels like

919
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of been on the other side for a

920
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: while now. We had the Britney Griner story and what

921
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: she said. We've had Cheryl Swoops on podcasts saying some

922
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: strange stuff, especially how she's kind of gone after Caitlin

923
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: Clarkson's college. We've had all of this stuff happening, and

924
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: yet this story when that Angel Reaes may have had

925
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: racial slurs hurled at her, everybody ran with this like

926
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: it was true when there was no evidence of it

927
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: at all. And the only reason you do that is

928
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: because you're almost trying to wiell it into existence, or

929
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: you're so biased or so blind that you just assume

930
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: it's true. It has to be true, right, I mean,

931
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: that's the only explanation, except that most of the time,

932
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: the vast majority of the time, it isn't true. And

933
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: it's definitely not true in that league. But I found

934
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: that incredibly sad that watching how it was discussed, how

935
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: it was all framed, and even the apologies after the fact,

936
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't like they were apologizing for any kind of

937
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: a good reason, and they were almost doing it with

938
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: their hand behind their back, with the fingers crossed, like yeah,

939
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: we're saying this, we don't mean it, we just feel

940
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: like we have to say it. Unfortunately this proved not

941
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: to be true. Unfortunately we couldn't find evidence of this

942
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: because we really really wanted it to be there. And

943
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: the other reason why you could say the WNBA might

944
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: have wanted it to be there is because they are attempting, basically,

945
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: it seems like now, to prop up their entire league

946
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: on racial animus between insert player here and Caitlyn Clark,

947
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: particularly Angel Reese, but there have been other people in

948
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: that role over the last season and a half. This

949
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 2: is not good, folks, It's just not I said last

950
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: week on in my usual spot with Aaron Torres, and

951
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: I called others to do the same. I said, We're

952
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: just not going to do this anymore. The WNBA doesn't

953
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: want us to watch, We're just not gonna watch. If

954
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: they if they're players, if the people that should be

955
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: excited about the opportunity to let Caitlin Clark be a

956
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: star and all of them rise because people are paying

957
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: more attention now. So maybe if we're totally behind this

958
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: and there's a positive feeling behind it, then maybe there

959
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: are is a chance for a couple more ships to

960
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: rise here. But they've done everything but that last year,

961
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: seventeen percent of all flagrant fouls called in the WNBA,

962
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark was the recipient of those fouls. She was

963
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: the victim. Seventeen percent, that's almost a fifth of them

964
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: were to Kaitlin Clark. Everybody had a snid comment behind

965
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: her back. She had to earn the respect of like

966
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: Diana Tarassi and Super Bird. I think maybe they came

967
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: around at some point. She had college coaches going afterward

968
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 2: when she was at Iowa. We know what all this

969
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: is about. But even if that weren't as big a

970
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: deal as it is, they've just done everything possible to

971
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: tell you that they don't want their lead to succeed

972
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: if she's the reason. And so it's really easy then

973
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: for me to say to a league that I've never

974
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: really cared whether or not they existed or not, that

975
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: in my world they don't have to anymore. The reason

976
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: I am saying this tonight is because I think it

977
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: is important to say that this league that tried to

978
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: claim that it's it's far more than one player and

979
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: angel Rees saying people are here to see me too,

980
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: and they're gonna and that's true, and you're gonna know

981
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: that don't know, they're really not they're they're really really not.

982
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: You have one unicorn, and instead of featuring that unicorn,

983
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: you've done everything you can to take it to the

984
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 2: equivalent of the unicorn glue factory. And if you are

985
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: that just simple minded, narrow minded, that you would rather

986
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: your league not be what it could be because of

987
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: who the star is, then I'm cool watching it burn, honestly,

988
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: because you set the fire yourself. We've never needed a

989
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: women's professional basketball league. We don't need any sports quite frank,

990
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: we don't. Let's be real. It's all entertainment. But the

991
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: reason that sports exists is because there are fans. The

992
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: reason sports exists is because we do get excited about

993
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: all this. We watch the equivalent of our superheroes, people

994
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: doing things that we can't do. That's why we watch sports.

995
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: We marvel at it. We love the competition, all those

996
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: kinds of things. But especially with a WNBA, that's never

997
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: really been any kind of a rating thing to even discuss.

998
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark gave them a shot, and they've just squandered

999
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: it over and over and over again. And now what

1000
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: they've decided to do is, at least somebody has decided

1001
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: we're going to try to internally turn this thing into

1002
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: Jerry Springer. We're gonna appeal to the bottom of the

1003
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: sea of discourse. I just there's better things that I

1004
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: can do with my time, folks. I think there's better

1005
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: things that you can do with your time. They have

1006
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: They are dangerously close to just putting themselves out to pasture,

1007
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: just putting their league out to pasture. They've never turned

1008
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: a profit, and you have to start wondering, if you're

1009
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: the NBA propping them up, is it worth? Is it

1010
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: juice worth to squeeze anymore? They have a meal ticket

1011
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: right now. And if you didn't know that, look at

1012
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: the interest level and even just a conversation at all

1013
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: on sports we sites that have tried to prop it up.

1014
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 2: Look at there. They're not even talking about it. Things

1015
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: aren't going to get better unless they stop this. I

1016
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: don't know if they're capable. For the best pregame show

1017
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,040
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1026
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Speaker 2: up next live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. What

1027
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: I promised in hour one with Mark Medina a conversation

1028
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: about who exactly Anthony Edwards is and who he can

1029
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,480
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1030
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: Jason Martin, and this is Fox Sports Radio.

1031
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,799
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00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: Twenty seven point six points a game. That was the

1036
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: average for Anthony Edwards this past season. That was up

1037
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: from twenty five point nine a year ago, twenty four

1038
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: point six the year before that. He's gotten better every year.

1039
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: He went from nineteen point we went from nineteen to

1040
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: twenty one to twenty four to twenty five to twenty seven.

1041
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 2: Career average of twenty four. Ant Man is a beast,

1042
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: that much we know. Welcome back to Fox Sports Radio.

1043
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Martin, and for Bernie Fratto, hope he's having

1044
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 2: a great weekend off. Andy Edwards is a great basketball player.

1045
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: But this is all becoming really interesting, this conversation surrounding

1046
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: a man because of what was said about him last year,

1047
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: how he started being covered, especially during the playoffs, but

1048
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: even before the postseason started last year, how he was

1049
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: being talked about. There were a lot of people that

1050
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: make a lot more money than me, that talk about

1051
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: sports for a living, that were comparing him to Michael Jordan.

1052
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: The amount of people it was utterly insane. So I

1053
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: watched a video on YouTube a day or so ago

1054
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: about this very topic, and a lot of these things

1055
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: were just cut and clipped on so I could see it.

1056
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: So I can give you some of these examples. Steven A. Smith,

1057
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: talking about Anthony Edwards last year, said that you reminded

1058
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: him of Jordan in Game one of the ninety two finals,

1059
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: Michael Wilbon multiple times. He even used his middle name,

1060
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: Michael Jeffrey Jordan, which some people do a lot. Kendrick Perkins,

1061
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 2: who gets paid to talk about basketball that's a thing

1062
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: that's real, still gets a paycheck to say what he

1063
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: says on TV said that Anthony Edwards reminded him of

1064
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty eight Michael Jordan. Incidentally, he also said

1065
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard was the next Jordan. Now that John Moran's

1066
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: future was quote Jordan esque, unquote. Mike Conley, his teammate

1067
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: in Minnesota veteran in the league, said Verry Jordan esk

1068
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: what he was seeing from Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards was

1069
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: really good. I gave you a stat line right, twenty

1070
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: seven point six three points. His three point percentage actually

1071
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: went up this year to just about forty shot thirty

1072
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: nine point five percent from three, and he was taking

1073
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: almost four more a game. He went from six point

1074
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: seven a year ago to ten point three this year.

1075
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: I felt like he was taking to threes. I've heard

1076
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: that from a lot of people, but I mean, his

1077
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: percentage went up and he was taken more. So I

1078
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: don't know they're gonna have that many qualms. I still

1079
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: want to see him take it to the rack more often.

1080
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: If I'm if, I'm a Teebles fan because of his

1081
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: explosiveness and what he's able to do, and I think

1082
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: his mid range game is pretty solid too. But what

1083
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards has said over this year or so, is

1084
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in the face of the NBA.

1085
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: That was what he said when asked after a game

1086
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: in the locker room. What he says to those who

1087
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: suggest and have said that he's shooting too many threes?

1088
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards said, bleep them. Can't use that on terrestrial radio.

1089
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: What he said, dude is an amazing player. I don't

1090
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: think there's anybody out there that's going to doubt that.

1091
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: But my question tonight is whether or not he's a

1092
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: leader or is that something he aspires to be Does

1093
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: he want to be one? So Mark Madeen actually talked

1094
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: about that with me in the first hour and what

1095
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: he said was, you know, as he's talked to Aunt

1096
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: over this last couple of years, Anthony Edwards didn't feel

1097
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: comfortable kind of assuming any kind of a leadership role

1098
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: when he was so much younger than other guys on

1099
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: the team. And look, I get that, I really do.

1100
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: It is hard being younger than someone and still leading them.

1101
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: I've had that responsibility at different times in my life.

1102
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: I probably will have it again, although I'm getting older now,

1103
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: so there are younger people than me that have led

1104
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: me and it can be a bit of a challenge.

1105
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: It can be a little awkward. You can just kind

1106
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: of feel like, I don't know if I really have

1107
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: the clout and what have I done to accomplish this.

1108
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: But if you're Anthony Edwards and you're being talked about

1109
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: the way Anthony Edwards is being talked about, and sports

1110
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: is just a completely different universe. There's a lot of

1111
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: veterans who are much older than Patrick Mahomes, but we

1112
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: know who the leader of that team is. Right. There

1113
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: are some teams that are veteran led, and every good

1114
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: team I think has a good veteran cores of guys

1115
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: that can be enforcers or just guys that really do

1116
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: just sort of help keep things under control. But most

1117
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: of the time the stud is the younger guy, which, yes,

1118
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: it can create friction, but on this team, there was

1119
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: no question Anthony Edwards was the best player this year

1120
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: and last year when Karl Anthony Towns was there and

1121
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: now when Julius Randall was there. Both those guys are good,

1122
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: but they're not Anthony Edwards. I think we know that

1123
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: the hierarchy has to be based on that, I would think,

1124
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: so my question then becomes is he an engine. Is

1125
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards the engine that can carry a team to

1126
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: the trophy? Is that what he is today? I think

1127
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: the answer is no. Is that what he could be?

1128
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean hypothetically, if we're living in a universe, yes,

1129
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: but I haven't seen any sign to that, and there's

1130
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: nothing that tells me that's what he is going to

1131
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 2: become right now. Right now, what I can tell you

1132
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: incontrovertibly about Anthony Edwards is he's an incredible basketball player.

1133
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: He's a great hooper. And that's why I would never

1134
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: use Jordan, even though like he's built a little bit

1135
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: like Jordan. The way he plays, the way he shoots

1136
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: and stuff. If you put side by side, you'll see

1137
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: some Jordan moves. I heard Dan Patrick and his guys

1138
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: saying this earlier this week, and I've said the same thing.

1139
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: The only guy that I've ever seen that just actually

1140
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: I saw him just like he reminds me of Jordan,

1141
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: just in the way he moves, the way he shoots.

1142
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: Everything about him is Kobe. I think he's the guy

1143
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: that came the closest. And look, Kobe's legacy is we

1144
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: don't amo to discuss what an incredible talent. He was

1145
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: everything around him right. But Anthony Edwards reminds me a

1146
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: lot more Kevin Durant than he does Michael Jordan. I'm

1147
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: not talking about their game, I'm talking about their mentality.

1148
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: So I'm a fund as I mentioned earlier, So I'm

1149
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: excited about the finals. But I also remember the Durant years.

1150
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: I remember Durant and Westbrook and Hardened and Ibaka and

1151
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: those squads, and Durant was the assassin, but Westbrook was

1152
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: the fuel. Westbrook was the guy that had the ball

1153
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: in his hands and seemed to be the one that

1154
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: was taking on that kind of a role like they

1155
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: were playing based on his energy. Durant was just out

1156
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: there dominating on the floor. So I feel like Anthony

1157
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: Edwards is more akin to Kevin Durant. Let's go more contemporary.

1158
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: He's more like Kevin Durant than he is Steph Curry.

1159
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant was never a leader. I don't think on

1160
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: any team he's ever played on in Oklahoma City. I

1161
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: would argue that it was probably more Russ who was

1162
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: the one that wanted that leadership role or that captain role.

1163
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant just wanted to go out and score forty

1164
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: every night. He was ice coal and he was definitely

1165
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: a better basketball player Kevin Durant and Golden State. Steph

1166
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: was the leader of that team. It was Steph's team.

1167
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant might have been the best player, but Steph

1168
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,959
Speaker 2: was the leader of that team. As an overall basketball player.

1169
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: Durant's the best player on every team he's ever played on,

1170
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: I think. But there is more too, legacy and all

1171
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: of those things than just what you were on the floor.

1172
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards on the basketball court is better than just

1173
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: about everyone in the league. I don't think there's a question,

1174
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: but there's still something that feels like it's missing and

1175
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: how he's approaching the game and when he says, you know,

1176
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: I didn't struggle after he has a subpar performance in

1177
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: the Western Conference finals, but I want him after the

1178
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: fact to care a little more. And I will say,

1179
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: like after they were eliminated, he said, I'm gonna work

1180
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: really hard in the all season. And I've heard that before.

1181
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: Yannis said that after they got beat one year and

1182
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: he went home and he did, and I'm hoping that's

1183
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: exactly what Anthony Edwards is going to go If I'm

1184
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: a t Wolves fan or just as a fan of

1185
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: the league. I do hope that Anthony Edwards is going

1186
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: to go home and he's going to come back with

1187
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: that killer instinct. That's the only thing that like he does.

1188
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: He seems to be a really nice guy, seems to

1189
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: be have a great personality. You heard Medina say last

1190
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: hour that his team loves being around him. He's a

1191
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: guy that that people like being around. So that's good.

1192
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: So he's a great player who also can bring people in.

1193
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't push them away. He's somebody that could lead.

1194
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: But that's what he has to learn. And I don't

1195
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: know that You go home and you work on your jumper,

1196
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: you take a bunch of threes, you do a lot

1197
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: of work in the gym. That's not going to make

1198
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: you a better leader. That's that's gonna maybe improve your basketball,

1199
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: but you're already all world there. I want to see

1200
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: it more consistently. I don't want to see an eight

1201
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: point output but most but like, the leadership stuff is

1202
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: just going to be It's gonna be a mental thing.

1203
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I don't know what unlocks that,

1204
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's just a quality. If

1205
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: that's a quality you develop or if that is something

1206
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: you've either got it you don't. Madina said to me,

1207
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: you know he feels like this this year he did

1208
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: take steps forward as a leader. Okay, that's right now.

1209
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: I just see an incredible hooper. What I want to see.

1210
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to see a better jumper. I want

1211
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: to see a killer instinct. I want to see wins

1212
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: and losses where it really affects him and where I

1213
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: can tell it affects him. There's something about this era

1214
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: of sports where the wins and losses and so many

1215
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: of these team sports just don't seem to have the

1216
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: sting that they once did. On either side, the highs

1217
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: aren't as high and the lows aren't as low. It's

1218
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: hard to say that when you see the Pacers do

1219
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: what they did on Saturday night and the celebration that

1220
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: they had afterwards, and the Thunder making the finals, and certainly,

1221
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, the Eagles winning the Super Bowl and all this,

1222
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 2: I understand that this is not like one hundred percent

1223
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: always going to be true. But at the same time,

1224
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: I just kind of there's still a little bit too

1225
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: much like camaraderie between opposing forces in these leagues, and

1226
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: it's like nobody seems to take this as seriously as

1227
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: I want him to. Some I say, nobody, you understand

1228
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: that I'm speaking that way knowing that there are guys

1229
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: that I feel like Brunton cares a lot. After the

1230
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: game tonight, they in the press conference, he just flat

1231
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 2: out says, it stinks that we lost. It stinks, put

1232
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: everything into it lost. Only one team's gonna be really

1233
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: happy at the end of this, and now we know

1234
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna be one of two. It's either gonna be

1235
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Thunder or it's gonna be the Indiana Pacers.

1236
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: But again, like Anthony Edwards, right now, I think he's

1237
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: just more interested in being a dominant basketball player. I

1238
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: need to see something else. I need to see that

1239
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: something extra. I need to see that quality where not

1240
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: only do guys want to be around him, but guys

1241
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: are galvanized by being around him, not just made better

1242
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: being around him, but made into Warriors being around him.

1243
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: There's something about being around a superstar that has that

1244
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: quality where you just know, because that guy's on your team,

1245
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: you can win no matter what. He's going to be

1246
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: there for you and you can't give him that yet

1247
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: because of a couple of dud performances in the playoffs.

1248
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: Not like you're gonna expect every night to be forty

1249
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: point nine, but Anthony Edwards can't afford to have an

1250
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: eight point night. The team can't win without him having

1251
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: at least twenty, and that's if everybody else is firing

1252
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: on all cylinders, and usually that's not going to be

1253
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: the case. So I don't know. I still think it's

1254
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: a question, but I think the idea that the Michael

1255
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: Jordan stuff's got to go. And it's not just because

1256
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: he hasn't won a championship yet. It's just because the

1257
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 2: thing that Jordan had as somebody that watched his entire

1258
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: pro career who's old enough and lucky enough to remember

1259
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 2: at least some of it. Going up in age, some

1260
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: of my memory is not what it used to be.

1261
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: But there was just you knew when you watched Jordan

1262
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 2: there was no one else. There wasn't There were great

1263
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: players all across the league, and then there was one

1264
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: guy where it's just like he's on a completely different planet.

1265
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 2: He may be in a completely different galaxy like that,

1266
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 2: this dude is not human everybody else is a basketball player,

1267
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 2: and then there's Michael Jordan at his best. Lebron James

1268
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: didn't even sniff that. As great as I think Lebron is,

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01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 2: he didn't even sniff that. With all due respect to

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01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,440
Speaker 2: those who think that somehow he belongs to that conversation,

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't. But no one does. And the idea that

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: we continue to try and crown the next Jordan, we're

1273
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: not going to find another one, and it makes it

1274
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: I think it's put a lot of pressure on Anthony

1275
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: Edwards because the way he was talked about last year,

1276
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: this year is a disappointment. Even though his points per

1277
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: game went up, his three point percentage went up, his

1278
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: three points attempted went up, he went from making two

1279
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 2: a game to making four a game. His field goal

1280
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: percentage dropped off just a hair, but it's like two tenths,

1281
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: so not all that big of a deal there. But

1282
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 2: this is a dude that's averaging almost twenty eight points

1283
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: a game to go with fire rebounds, five assists. He's

1284
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: given you, He's given you so much, but because of

1285
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: how he was talked about last year, he's not gonna

1286
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: be able to live up to that. Almost no one

1287
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: is so I watched that and I see these numbers,

1288
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: and I see his improvement as a basketball player, but

1289
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: he's not Jordan, and so now when I watch him,

1290
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like, yeah, that did him no favors.

1291
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: And it's not just Anthony Edwards and it's not just

1292
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,440
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. We've got to stop doing this about contemporary

1293
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: athletes and athletes of the past because it sets a

1294
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: standard that they never asked to follow. He sits down

1295
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: for an interview and Malika Andrews says, they're all comparing

1296
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: you to Michael Jordan, and he has this He looks

1297
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: away from the camera and he smiles almost like, please

1298
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 2: don't do this to me. And he's right, and I'm

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: not gonna do it because it's not a fair comparison.

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: It's not fair to him. It's certainly not fair to

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: Jordan either. And now it gets even more interesting because

1302
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: Jordan's gonna come back on NBC and do media for

1303
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: the first time in his career, and so now if

1304
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: anybody's gonna be compared to Jordan, he's actually gonna have

1305
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: to potentially have to address it, which I'm fascinated to see.

1306
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: I'll say that. But man like, is Jordan gonna sit

1307
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: down with Anthony Edwards and say, do you think you're

1308
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: the next me? I'm here to tell you he's not.

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: Even if he ends up being one of the five

1310
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: best players to ever lived, he's not going to be Jordan.

1311
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 2: Jordan was just completely and holy unique. So you look

1312
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: at all this, and you look at what was put

1313
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: on his shoulders this year. I am really really intrigued

1314
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: to see what Anthony Edwards comes back with next season

1315
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: because Oklahoma City is going nowhere. Some of these other

1316
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: teams are going to make some moves and they're going

1317
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 2: to be right there in the thick of it, and

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: Minnesota's going to have to be consistent, and that means

1319
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 2: that Anthony Edwards is going to have to be consistent,

1320
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: night after night after night having those kind of performances,

1321
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: and he's not going to be able to have a

1322
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: couple of games that he had in the playoffs. I

1323
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: think next year is a huge turning point for him

1324
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 2: because he went from being the anointed to the wed

1325
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 2: anointed him too fast, and so now we've gone from

1326
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: one extreme, probably are now under representing how good he is.

1327
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: So now we're going to find out probably next year

1328
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: what he acts is because he's going to fall somewhere

1329
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: between those two extremes. That is going to be really

1330
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: interesting to follow, and I bet we're going to talk

1331
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: a lot about it. Coming up next live from the

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio studios. This finals matchup Indiana versus Oklahoma City.

1333
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 2: The NBA can't be happy with this. We'll talk about

1334
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: that next. I'm Jason Martin. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: The answer to the question, Jason, have you ever seen

1336
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: The Spin Doctors live? Is yes, many many years ago.

1337
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: Saw The Spin Doctors and the Gin Blossoms and Cracker

1338
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: on a triple bill in Charlotte, North Carolina. Many years ago.

1339
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm talking before the turn of the century, so at

1340
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 2: the time that was a very hip show. Hit. Might

1341
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: be the most uncool thing I've ever said. Anyway, speaking

1342
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: of uncool, NBA probably not thrilled with this finals matchup. Yes,

1343
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: they embrace parody, and I'll tell you that there is

1344
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 2: a silver lining in that, But Indi Una versus Oklahoma City,

1345
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: this is the worst possible outcome for a league desperately

1346
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,440
Speaker 2: trying to salvage a pretty pitiful regular season on television,

1347
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: even if it's an on court classic look Pacers Thunder.

1348
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm jacked up. Why I'm a Thunder fan, so obviously

1349
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: I have a dog in to fight, and I have

1350
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: a lot of I have some friends that are Pacers fans.

1351
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 2: I'm in Nashville. I've grown up in this part of

1352
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: the country. Went to school at Western Kentucky, which is

1353
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: just a few hours away from Indianapolis, not even half

1354
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: a day's drive, like, not very far at all. Many

1355
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: of us have been to Pacers game to see others.

1356
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: I saw Blake Griffin actually play against the Pacers many

1357
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 2: years ago. So I got some friends that are super

1358
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: excited about this, and it's been fun watching the Pacers

1359
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: during this playoff run especially, But Indy versus OKAC has

1360
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: the national interest level of what can I compare it

1361
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 2: to Indy versus OKAC? That really, that's an old disease

1362
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: an Zari Joe, that's a reproduction of it. Because I

1363
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: can't come up with a worse example. That's how bad

1364
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: it is. From a ratings perspective. The basketball may be amazing,

1365
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: but on paper this has got to be near the

1366
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: bottom of the list for Adam Silver. But again, they're

1367
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: embracing parody so teams that are not in New York, Boston, La, Philly, Houston.

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: It does give small market fans something to hope for

1369
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 2: in the future. And we had this a few years

1370
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: ago with Milwaukee and Phoenix being in the finals against

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01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 2: one another. So, like you think about college football right now,

1372
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: the haves are getting richer while the have nots are

1373
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: basically going to be left out. And as you see

1374
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: these potential expansion plans and what's being discussed amidst the

1375
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 2: Big Ten particularly but Greg Sankie and the SEC as well,

1376
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: if you don't have the bank account, you're not going

1377
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: to have a shot, right the have nots are the

1378
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 2: grave is being dug deeper right now. The emphasis is

1379
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 2: really on your team is not going to have a chance.

1380
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: So this does give you hope. The more teams that

1381
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: you see make it to the finals, especially from small markets,

1382
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: then the more other small markets start to think their

1383
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: day could come. So it's a dud on paper right like,

1384
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: just purely on paper. Indian Okac, we're not even looking

1385
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: at the roster, so I'm looking at the talent. We're

1386
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: not looking at Halibert and Siakam, not looking at Sga

1387
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: and Williams and Holmgren. And there's a lot to like

1388
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: about this series just from a basketball perspective. We're still

1389
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: gonna have from a pure business and ratings standpoint, right,

1390
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't have Boston versus La. It doesn't have Chicago,

1391
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't have that. It's two small markets. I mean. Famously,

1392
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: Indianapolis has been called what it's been called knap City.

1393
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: And the reason why it was called nap City or

1394
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: Naptown is because when you came there to play a

1395
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: game or to cover a game, you would go to

1396
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: the hotel and take a nap before the game because

1397
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: there was nothing else to do in Indianapolis beforehand. And

1398
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: then after you just went right back to the hotel

1399
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: and went to sleep because the same thing I just said,

1400
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 2: there's nothing to do in Indianapolis. It's actually a pretty

1401
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 2: cool town. But that was just the knock on it, right,

1402
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: because if you're a New York sports writer going to Indianapolis,

1403
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 2: it's going to feel like there's nothing there. And oka see,

1404
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 2: it's a very very small market. Great fans, great building,

1405
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: great franchise, unbelievable executive in Sam Presty Been. I love

1406
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 2: the fact that they've been as competitive as they've been,

1407
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: and it's been so much easier to be a fan.

1408
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: Even with the lean years, I still believed in the

1409
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: organization and you see some of these moves. It took

1410
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: some time, but boy are they paying off at this point.

1411
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: But if you're the NBA and you have just dealt

1412
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: with an All Star Game debacle, a regular season where

1413
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: week after week you were being out drawn by things

1414
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: you had no business being out drawn by, you are

1415
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: having a solid playoffs. These playoffs have been a lot

1416
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 2: of fun to watch, and I think the numbers have

1417
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: been up a little bit too. But then you come

1418
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: to the end of it, and what do you have.

1419
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: You don't have Steph you don't have Lebron, you don't

1420
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: have big time markets. You've got SGA who, hopefully the

1421
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 2: world is going to come to love and come to

1422
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 2: watch and appreciate and understand just how good the now

1423
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: reigning MVP of the league is. And you're gonna get

1424
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: to watch the fight and the heart and the depth

1425
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: and the exquisite coaching of Rick Carlisle's Indiana Pacers team,

1426
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: and you're gonna see We'll see how long a series goes.

1427
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 2: I'll predict it at the end of the program. You

1428
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: hope that that's gonna happen. But if you're the NBA,

1429
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 2: this is the worst time for this because getting casual

1430
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: eyeballs on this is gonna be really, really difficult. The

1431
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: casual fans gonna yawn right past Indiana v OKC. But

1432
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: for Adam Silver, I mean that fan's pretty much been

1433
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: doing that with your league since you took it over.

1434
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 2: So maybe it's not as bad as we think. When

1435
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: we come back into Fox Sports Radio Studios, Eastern Conference

1436
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: Finals and Joe Flacco.

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

1438
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 2: Radio, what's happening? I am Jason Martin And for the

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01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: great Bernie Ferrado, he'll be back next week. Hope you say.

1440
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: Having a wonderful weekend. Hope you are as well. We

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1450
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: posted just after we get off the air. Knicks are out,

1451
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: Pacers are in. They went it by seventeen, and look,

1452
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: it was a four point game of to happen. The

1453
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: Knicks really had played well in the first half of

1454
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: the game, but the boy in the third and fourth,

1455
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: the Pacers shot them out of the building. They defended

1456
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: them out of the building, and they ran them out

1457
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 2: of the building. Nicks wanted to slow down the pace.

1458
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 2: They wanted to do that throughout this They weren't going

1459
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 2: to be able to keep up with Indiana from that standpoint,

1460
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: and the Pacers were really able to step in front

1461
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 2: of some passing lanes. They four seventeen turnovers in the game,

1462
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: scored a ton of points and a lot of them

1463
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: easy buckets off of those turnovers, and as a result,

1464
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: they'll be the opponents of the Western Conference champion Oklahoma

1465
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: City Thunder in the NBA Finals, and that starts on Thursday.

1466
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: So we've talked a lot about that game, of course,

1467
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,440
Speaker 2: but one thing we have not talked about. I mentioned

1468
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: what I call nontent, which is just nonsense content. Tyrese

1469
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: Halibert is the superstar? First of all, I think the

1470
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: question itself is dumb, so let's purely spend an hour

1471
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: on it on TV or on radio or whatever else

1472
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: discussing it. I think it's interesting only because he does

1473
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: some things that don't necessarily show up on the stat

1474
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: sheet all the time. And he's not a guy that's

1475
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: gonna go get you forty every single night, but he's

1476
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna score generally when he has to,

1477
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: a little inconsistent here and there. But you look at

1478
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: everything else he does, the way he passes the ball,

1479
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: the way he affects the game, the way you have

1480
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,520
Speaker 2: to game plan for him. I think it's a preposterous

1481
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: like you're splitting hairs if you're like, is he a

1482
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: star or is he a superstar? There is a guy, though,

1483
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: that is not a superstar, and that's Karl Anthony Towns,

1484
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: and that really is not how it should have been

1485
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: coming out of Kentucky and what he projected to be

1486
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 2: when he got to Minnesota. And from a talent standpoint,

1487
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: he gives you everything you want, at least on the

1488
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball. But his problem is the

1489
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: same as many uber talented guys who don't ascend to

1490
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: that level and its dependability. Is he a guy that

1491
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: you can rely on when you absolutely have to have him? Now,

1492
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: he had twenty two in this game, right, in this

1493
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 2: Club Zoc game, he had more than Jayleen Brunson. Only

1494
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: og Nanobi had more. He had twenty four. But let's

1495
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 2: look at let's look past that. There are times in

1496
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: this series where Karl Anthony Towns could not shoot his

1497
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 2: way out of a out of an open barn. And

1498
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: defensively he's just not very good. He doesn't put forth

1499
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: much effort there, whether he's banged up or not. He

1500
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: doesn't run very hard. Defensively, he's slow, he's a little lethargic,

1501
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 2: he's a little clumsy, I think, on the defensive side

1502
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: of the ball. If he is not scoring, if he

1503
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 2: is not engaged and actually scoring the basketball offensively, he's

1504
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 2: almost worse than having almost anybody else out there because

1505
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: of what he's not going to be able to do

1506
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: for you defensively. And so we've now seen this with

1507
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: two teams. Minnesota failed to get to the finals with

1508
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 2: him alongside Anthony Edwards, and now New York fails to

1509
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: get the finals with him next to Jalen Brunson, even

1510
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: as good as he is on the pick and roll,

1511
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 2: and even as well as he can compliment Joeen Brunson,

1512
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: is he a guy that you can go to the

1513
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 2: finals with and win a championship with as your number two?

1514
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: I think the answer is no. He has every opportunity

1515
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: to prove me wrong going forward. But I don't think

1516
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: that he plays up to his size consistently enough. He

1517
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: settles for three still way too much when you see

1518
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 2: him going downhill and really going straight at it. I mean,

1519
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: there were a couple of moments where he got to

1520
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 2: the spot before the defender could for Indiana in this game,

1521
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: and so there was not going to be a charge,

1522
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: and he had an opportunity for an and one didn't

1523
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 2: shoot free throws well at all. In a game that

1524
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 2: you had to shoot free throws well in you couldn't

1525
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: lead points on the board. There's just too many times

1526
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 2: he goes absent, like you can't find him, he's lumbering

1527
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 2: up the court. And yeah, were there were a couple

1528
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: of times this postseason where he's been banged up, right,

1529
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: But if he's out there, then he's still gonna be

1530
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 2: expected to do this or someone else should be in

1531
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: there because somebody had to fill that role. But the

1532
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: problem for him is and the problem for the Knicks

1533
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: and the problem for the t Wolves last year is

1534
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: just there's there's times when he's gonna come up really

1535
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: small for you, and on a team like the Knicks

1536
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: that just turned out to be all right, well, then

1537
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: Brunson better go get fifty or we're gonna lose. Even

1538
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: in this game, right, Brunson only had nineteen. He was

1539
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: he was wiped out, and they really defended him well

1540
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 2: in this game. After the Great Game, he had him five,

1541
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 2: like they weren't gonna let him have it in six.

1542
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: So Carlisle had his defensive set up and they just

1543
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: made Brunson's life incredibly tough. But then you look at

1544
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 2: Towns had twenty two and Anonobe had twenty four and

1545
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: they got by nearly twenty points. So what does that

1546
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: tell you? It tells you that not only can you

1547
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: not have an off night if you're jailing Brunson, but

1548
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: but Karl Anthony Towns has got to be there for you,

1549
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: and he's just not enough. I think that's a fatal

1550
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 2: flaw for this next team. I don't know what they're

1551
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: gonna do about it. I'm not saying that you shouldn't

1552
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 2: have Karl Anthony Towns on your team. I'm saying you've

1553
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: got to have somebody else, and it can't be Mikhale Bridges,

1554
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: who's another Look, he's a defensive first guy, and that's great,

1555
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: but you're paying him way too much money to just

1556
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 2: not be able to give you anything offensively, at least

1557
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 2: not much. There are times when maybe he goes off,

1558
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: but he's just never gonna be a particularly strong scorer

1559
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: for you. And then you're looking at what while you're

1560
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: looking at Josh Hart. Another guy's not gonna get you

1561
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 2: a ton of points. He's gonna do a lot of

1562
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: good things that you want in terms of rebounding and

1563
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: playing playing defense and doing well in the middle, but

1564
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: he's not a particularly strong offensive threat. I think that

1565
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: the Knicks were just more flawed than maybe we thought.

1566
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: And you know, I do think that along with that

1567
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: is this desire for the Knicks to be good and

1568
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 2: the fact that they had a marketable superstar in Jayeen

1569
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: Brunson well deserved by the way. I think they may

1570
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: have gotten too much credit going into this series. I

1571
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: think everybody over gave them more respect than they should have. Innyan.

1572
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: It was a better team, and we should have known

1573
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: that before they ever started playing. Yes, the Knicks were

1574
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: the three seed. Yes the Knicks blew a seventeen point

1575
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: lead in Game one, but the Pacers also had to

1576
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 2: shoot their way into that overtime and then win in

1577
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,879
Speaker 2: that overtime. So yes, the Knicks failed, but the Pacers

1578
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: also were there to take every advantage of the holes

1579
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: that were created. And then you saw the rest of

1580
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 2: the series. They were just better. The Pacers were just better.

1581
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 2: They were deeper, they were more consistent when it mattered

1582
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: most in those last five minutes of the half, the

1583
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: last five minutes of each game, And so they win

1584
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: this thing in six and you look next year, it's

1585
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 2: just like, man, did the nixt blow a real chance here? Well,

1586
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: I guess that depends on whether or not you think

1587
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is a Jugger or not, which most seem to.

1588
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 2: So whoever was gonna win here where they just gonna

1589
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: walk in and get dominated by the Thunder, We'll know

1590
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 2: when a couple of weeks whether or not that's true.

1591
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm a thunderfan, so I am hesitant to say anything

1592
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 2: like that, because that's just a recipe to get your

1593
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: team beaten. I'm way too superstitious for my own good.

1594
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: But I just when I look at Karl Anthony Towns,

1595
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 2: I see you've got to have somebody else that's a

1596
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: star alongside your money maker for that to work. He

1597
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 2: can kind of be a two, but there's got to

1598
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: be another two. So really he can be like a

1599
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 2: two b or a two way, but there's got to

1600
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 2: be somebody else. And I don't think that Bridges is

1601
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 2: quite that guy. I just don't think the Knicks had enough. Ultimately,

1602
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: it may cost the Bodeau's job because of how many

1603
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 2: minutes he played the starters, and you saw Mitchell Robinson

1604
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: what he was able to do, just a blue collar

1605
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 2: guy that he is out there the way you play defensive,

1606
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 2: way he rebounded the ball, block shots. He seemed to

1607
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 2: be everywhere they needed him to be in Game six.

1608
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 2: And maybe if he's healthy, they're able to do more

1609
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 2: with him next year. But they're gonna have to address

1610
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 2: this Carl Anthony Towons problem because too often you just

1611
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 2: don't find him. And while nobody ever assumed he was

1612
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: gonna be a lockdown defender in the league. That's not

1613
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: really his m O, right, he was more of an

1614
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 2: offensive big guy. He's a liability defensively, like he's not

1615
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 2: even passable defensively, healthy or not. And if he's not healthy,

1616
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: than man, they're abusing and taking advantage of him. And

1617
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: that's exactly what the Pacers did in Game six, and

1618
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 2: it's what they did throughout much of this series. That's

1619
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 2: probably the biggest reason really. I mean, you can talk

1620
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: about Siakam the way he played at thirty four in

1621
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 2: this game, and he was awesome. He's great. He deserved

1622
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 2: what he got. He deserved to be named Eastern Conference

1623
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 2: Finals MVP. He got five of the votes, I think,

1624
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 2: and Haliburton got four. I think you would have gotten

1625
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 2: it right either way. But I mean, you really look

1626
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 2: at it, and it's just kind of like it's the

1627
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: failure of the Knicks just as much as the team

1628
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 2: build and chemistry and depth of the Pacers. It's the

1629
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 2: way that the Knicks just couldn't make the right plays

1630
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: in the final couple of minutes and they didn't have

1631
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: somebody else other than Brunson that they could really trust

1632
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: on the offensive end. That's why he took that big

1633
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: three in that game three at the end that they lost.

1634
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: That's the one right, Like you look at that one,

1635
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 2: for example, and you think to yourself, why is he

1636
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 2: taking that shot? I understand he's an offensive first player,

1637
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 2: but he was five feet behind the three point line

1638
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 2: early in the shot clock, like he probably thought, well,

1639
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm probably not gonna get a better look and neither

1640
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: is anybody else. I'm the only one that could probably

1641
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: make this shot, so I'd better take it. And he

1642
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 2: wasn't full. It wasn't a horrible shot in terms of

1643
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: like how badly he missed, But you look at it,

1644
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: it's just like, if there's anybody else, then maybe you

1645
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 2: give it a bit more time. But I and that's

1646
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 2: why as much dribbling at as much on the ball

1647
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 2: offense as we continually saw from Jayleen Brunson in this series.

1648
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 2: And I do think that's something they're gonna have to

1649
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 2: look at. And jal Wen's probably gonna look at that

1650
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, I need to probably be off the

1651
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 2: ball more. But who was going to be the option?

1652
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: Because if Karl Anthony Towns isn't red hot, then he's

1653
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 2: ice cold. He's not usually average he's either heat checked

1654
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns, or put them on the bench and

1655
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 2: let's put Mitchell Robinson in the game. Karl Anthony Towns.

1656
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 2: That's a problem. Your number two can't be that hot

1657
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 2: in that cold. They've got to run somewhere in the middle,

1658
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: right that or there. The boom or bust potential is

1659
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,799
Speaker 2: too big, The volatility is too big in a sport

1660
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 2: where the margin of the margin for error is too small.

1661
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 2: To win four games, you got to have somebody that

1662
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 2: you really know exactly what you're gonna get from them

1663
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: night after night. And that's never gonna be your role players.

1664
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 2: The reason why it's so hard to come back from

1665
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 2: three to one down, and why it never gets done

1666
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: and all these things is because the role players show

1667
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,759
Speaker 2: up at home. What did you see from the Pacers

1668
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 2: in game six? Look at the way they shot threes.

1669
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 2: They were fifty one percent from three in this game.

1670
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 2: I think it was seventeen of thirty three. I don't

1671
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: have it directly in front of me right now, seventeen

1672
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 2: of thirty three or somewhere in that vicinity from three.

1673
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 2: Those role players made everything. They made stuff from the corners,

1674
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 2: they made stuff from the ye they made stuff from

1675
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 2: the top, like everything they took. And then you look

1676
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 2: at the next nine of thirty two. What do your

1677
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 2: role players do on the road? They miss It's just

1678
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 2: more comfortable at home. There's something about how it feels

1679
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 2: on your feet, right. Every floor is a little bit different.

1680
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 2: I just know this lighting. I know this lighting because

1681
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 2: I've been in it so many times. The glare on

1682
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: the floor, I'm used to it. The way the building smells,

1683
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 2: the way the air blows in the building, even like

1684
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 2: how the wind might hit my face when I'm on

1685
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 2: the floor, something like that, Like there's just a familiarity there.

1686
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 2: Sleeping in the hotel room is never the same as

1687
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 2: sleeping in your own bed. That's why you often say, Man,

1688
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 2: if I could just bring my house on vacation, or

1689
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 2: at least my bed, I would sleep better. It's just

1690
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 2: not the same on the road. The stars have got

1691
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 2: to perform everywhere. Karl Anthony towns. He can't count on

1692
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 2: him to do it at home or a way. That's

1693
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 2: why I think he's more of a two B kind

1694
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 2: of player. You've got to have a two A. The

1695
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 2: Knicks don't have a two A, and as a result,

1696
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: they won two games in this series instead of four,

1697
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 2: and they're done playing basketball for this year. When we

1698
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk about football. We haven't

1699
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 2: done that to this point in this show, but we've

1700
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 2: got a lot here, some things that I really do

1701
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 2: want to discuss. Even though there's not gonna be any

1702
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 2: games in football played on Sunday. The best pregame show

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. So, Jason, what football

1709
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,799
Speaker 2: are we going to be talking about? Joe Flacco? Mentor

1710
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 2: or not a mentor? He answered the question. I think

1711
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: he's exactly right. I'll tell you why next on Fox

1712
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 2: Sports Radio.

1713
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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1716
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Speaker 3: listen live.

1717
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Welcome back Fox Sports Radio. I'm Jason Martin. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.

1718
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 2: Wherever you are, I hope you're doing well. Hope your

1719
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: weekend has gone well. We're in June, folks, almost halfway

1720
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,799
Speaker 2: through the year. You don't realize how fast time moves

1721
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 2: until you get married and have kids. I'm convinced of

1722
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 2: that because time didn't seem to pass this quickly. I

1723
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 2: look up in September, I will have been married to

1724
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 2: my beautiful wife Abby six years. My daughter is now four.

1725
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 2: My youngest is fourteen months, and she's standing, and we

1726
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 2: are really close to seeing her walk and her third

1727
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 2: tooth pop through this morning and life starts to fly.

1728
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 2: It really really does. So I hope that yours. I

1729
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 2: hope you're paying attention to it and you're not letting it.

1730
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to go full Fares Mueller on you here,

1731
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 2: but just every once in a while, slow down and

1732
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 2: take inventory of your life. It's a really important thing

1733
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 2: to do, and hopefully you will find and see the

1734
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 2: blessings that are there and understand just how much you have,

1735
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: even if sometimes you can't feel it, and even if

1736
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 2: you're going through a really difficult time right now, and

1737
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you are but if you're going

1738
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:39,759
Speaker 2: through a challenging season or something like that, there's still

1739
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 2: some things. There's still a lot on the horizon for you,

1740
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 2: and there's still a lot that's come before that's given

1741
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 2: you whatever chance you find yourself in right now. So

1742
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 2: just know that. But yeah, look up and it's twenty

1743
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 2: twenty five and halfway through the year. So I said,

1744
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about football. I want to talk

1745
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 2: about Joe Flacco because Joe Flacco was out to question

1746
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,480
Speaker 2: earlier this week and it generated all sorts of conversations,

1747
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 2: all the random hot takes that you can think of,

1748
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 2: how dare this man say this? Or some version of

1749
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 2: that generally, But what he was asked about is something

1750
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: that a lot of aging quarterbacks and he's forty now,

1751
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 2: a lot of aging quarterbacks in the NFL or aging

1752
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 2: players in sports are asked. It's kind of a question

1753
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: with a no win situation. We're gonna play the audio.

1754
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 2: Here's what Joe Flacco, at least part of what Joe

1755
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 2: Flacco said when he was asked about mentoring. Because this

1756
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 2: is a weird, stacked quarterback room full of young guys.

1757
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 2: You got Kenny Pickett, but then you've got doing Gabriel

1758
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 2: and you've got Shide or Sanders. So Joe Flacco being

1759
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,679
Speaker 2: the veteran guy, dude, it's got a Super Bowl ring,

1760
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 2: you know all of those things. Can you be a

1761
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 2: mentor will you be? Is that your focus is being

1762
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 2: a mentor to these guys. Here's what Joe Flacco said.

1763
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 5: It's a good question debates somebody into answering and either,

1764
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 5: and no matter how they answer, it kind of makes

1765
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 5: the guy that's answering it look bad. If I say

1766
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 5: I don't want to be a mentor, I look bad.

1767
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 5: If I say I do want to be a mentor,

1768
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 5: then I look like an idiot that doesn't care about

1769
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 5: being good and playing football. So it's one of those

1770
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 5: questions that no matter what I say, you guys can

1771
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 5: write what you want to write about it. And there's

1772
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 5: a lot of questions like that. That's why you end

1773
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 5: up having to try to avoid them. I tend to

1774
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 5: try to be honest, and I've said I'm not a mentor.

1775
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 5: I play football and in a quarterback room. There's a

1776
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 5: lot of times already, there's been already a ton of

1777
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 5: times where there's learning experiences and I have a lot

1778
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 5: of experience, and I can talk on things and hopefully

1779
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 5: they listen, but it's not necessarily like my job to

1780
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 5: make sure they listen to me. And you know, hey,

1781
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 5: like hopefully you have a really good relationship with the

1782
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 5: guys that are in the room, and you naturally want

1783
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 5: to do that.

1784
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 2: He would go on to say, the thing is, because

1785
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 2: of what I just said, you're acting like I wouldn't

1786
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 2: want to be a mentor. Once again, it's not really

1787
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 2: about that. It's just not the main focus. I see

1788
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 2: myself as a guy that can play in this league.

1789
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 2: So if your main focus was just like, hey, but

1790
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you ready, you're just not taking care

1791
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 2: of business. The best way to be a mentor, honestly

1792
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: is showing people how you go to work, and like

1793
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 2: I said, hope that they pick up on that stuff,

1794
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,760
Speaker 2: but not necessarily force them to pick up on the

1795
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 2: things that you do. That's what Joe Flacco said in totality,

1796
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 2: Not only do I not have a problem with the

1797
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 2: way Joe Flacco answered this question and what he had

1798
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 2: to say, Joe Flacco is exactly right. I don't understand

1799
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 2: why this would be problematic. How do you mentor? Yes,

1800
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 2: there are different ways that you can mentor. Yes, you

1801
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 2: can say I'm going to be your mentor. The new

1802
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 2: Karate Kid came out this week. You can be you know,

1803
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 2: mister Miyagi type of mentor, can be Morpheus to Neo,

1804
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 2: you can be someone like that. You can be Obi

1805
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 2: Wan to Luke Skywalker. But there's another way to mentor,

1806
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 2: and arguably it's more effective. Aaron Rodgers has said many

1807
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 2: times that he wasn't mentored by Brett Farv, but what

1808
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 2: he learned he learned by watching how Brett Farv went

1809
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 2: about his business. How did he play, how did he study,

1810
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 2: how did he prepare? How did he carry himself? All

1811
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 2: those kinds of things he picked up those things, he

1812
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: absorbed him like a sponge, and of course he put

1813
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 2: his own spin on them. Flacco was saying, I'm just

1814
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 2: gonna go about my job and the other guys can

1815
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:51,759
Speaker 2: see it. How do I live? How do I work?

1816
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 2: How do I study? How do I talk around this team?

1817
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Around an NFL locker room? How do I carry myself?

1818
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 2: That's the equivalent of sitting under the learning tree. What

1819
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,759
Speaker 2: is Joe Flacco paid to do right now? He's paid

1820
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 2: to play football. This question like he said, it's a

1821
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 2: no win question. He's forty. Ben Roethlisberger has been asked

1822
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 2: this question before had a kind of similar answer. I'm

1823
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 2: right here in Nashville. I remember this very same like.

1824
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 2: It became a mild controversy when Ryan Tannehill was asked

1825
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 2: whether or not he was going to mentor Malik Willis,

1826
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 2: and he answered very similar to what Joe Flacco said here.

1827
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 2: I don't think it was quite as eloquent. I think

1828
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 2: Flacco's answer is excellent because he's not saying I don't

1829
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 2: care about these guys. He's saying he said, this is

1830
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 2: the quote he said, it's not necessarily my job to

1831
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: make sure they listen to me. I have a lot

1832
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,520
Speaker 2: of experience and I can talk on things and hopefully

1833
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 2: they listen. And then he said, hopefully you have a

1834
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: really good relationship with the guys that are in the room,

1835
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 2: and you naturally want to do that. When he says

1836
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 2: you naturally want to do that, I think he's referring

1837
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 2: to those young guys in the room that you naturally

1838
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 2: want to listen to what the veteran might be saying.

1839
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 2: What he's trying to impart folks, that's apprenticeship. That's exactly

1840
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 2: the way it should be. If should do and justin Gabriel,

1841
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 2: and yes, even can he pickett if they're watching Joe

1842
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 2: Flacco and they begin to pick up on some of

1843
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: that stuff and emulate him in the things that they

1844
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 2: see him succeed through doing, if they lean on his

1845
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 2: experience and learn from him and listen to how he

1846
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 2: talks about tape, even if he's not saying, now, guys,

1847
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 2: you listen to me here, because this is how you

1848
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 2: want to break this down. Like, yeah, you can do that,

1849
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 2: but you can also just trust them or at least say, look,

1850
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 2: it's up to them. It's not up to meet to

1851
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 2: mentor them. It's up to them to pay attention to me.

1852
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 2: It's up to them to follow my example. So some

1853
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 2: of you know this, some of you do not. But

1854
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm now a pastor, and so I'll be preaching in

1855
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 2: seven hours from right now, and I'll tell you one

1856
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 2: of the well not one of the ultimate example of

1857
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 2: this is Jesus in the New Testament. Very few times

1858
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 2: if you read scripture, almost never do you see here

1859
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 2: is how you would do this, and you would step

1860
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 2: by step and all this that's not how he trained

1861
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 2: the disciples. He didn't train them. He discipled these men

1862
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 2: that he chose, and he did it by they just

1863
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 2: went with him about his life. When he would go

1864
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 2: to villages and he would do the things that he

1865
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:41,759
Speaker 2: did in scripture, performing miracles, the way he talked to people,

1866
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 2: all of those kinds of things. They were just there,

1867
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 2: and then at some point he would turn around and say,

1868
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 2: now go back through the villages. We just went through

1869
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 2: this time. I'm not going to go with you. But

1870
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 2: generally speaking, what they learned from him, they picked up

1871
01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 2: by following him, by walking with him, by seeing him,

1872
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 2: by observing him, and by taking of that what they will.

1873
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 2: And that's what Joe Flacco is saying here. This is

1874
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,839
Speaker 2: not controversial. And I heard and saw like Chris Canty

1875
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,440
Speaker 2: flew off the handle about this and said, how ridiculous

1876
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 2: is this? And he used to be my teammate. What

1877
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 2: are we talking about. He's not holding these guys back.

1878
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: He's doing his job, and he's saying this without saying it.

1879
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 2: He's saying, just watch me and you're gonna learn what

1880
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 2: you need to know. He's not closing his door to them.

1881
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure if they ask him a question, He's going

1882
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 2: to answer the question. But what he's not gonna do

1883
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 2: is baby these guys. He isn't there to prepare them.

1884
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 2: He's there to do his job, period. And along with that,

1885
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 2: he's going to be open when they seek out his guidance.

1886
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 2: He even said, look, there's already been experiences where I

1887
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 2: can share some wisdom, and so I do that, but

1888
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,719
Speaker 2: it's not my job to like force them to listen

1889
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 2: to what I have to say. It's not my job

1890
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 2: to force them to do what I tell them to do.

1891
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:11,479
Speaker 2: Along with that, let them observe how he goes about

1892
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 2: his business. And then he said, like I said that

1893
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 2: at the end of that quote, the best way to

1894
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 2: be a mentor, he said, is showing people how you

1895
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,680
Speaker 2: go to work and hope that they pick up on

1896
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 2: that stuff, but not necessarily force them to pick up

1897
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 2: on the things that you do. Could you can talk

1898
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: to someone until they're blue in the face, but if

1899
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 2: they don't want what you if they're not ready to

1900
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 2: accept whatever that responsibility is, it does not matter. They

1901
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 2: have to be coachable, they have to be teachable, they

1902
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 2: have to be available, they have to be dependable, but

1903
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 2: they have to be responsible like, yes, you can train

1904
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 2: someone with a checklist, or you can let them be

1905
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 2: around you as you do the things that they're going

1906
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 2: to be expected to do. Wasn't just not wrong. I

1907
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:09,480
Speaker 2: think he is exactly right, exactly right. And from him,

1908
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 2: I go to a quarterback that man, I love his optimism,

1909
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 2: but I got to tell you he's probably going to

1910
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 2: be wrong. He's probably going to be wrong. And that

1911
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 2: is Justin Fields, a guy I like a lot, guy

1912
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 2: like coming out of college, just watching him play, He's

1913
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 2: he can be must see TV kind of stuff. So

1914
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 2: on Thursday, Justin Fields was talking about what he thinks

1915
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 2: he can be going forward with the Jets. I think

1916
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 2: we have that audio. Here's here's what Justin Fields, the

1917
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 2: New New York Jets quarterback, had to say.

1918
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 6: I think I can be great, you know, and that's

1919
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 6: been to go for me my whole life, my whole career.

1920
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 6: So like I said, you know, I think this guy's

1921
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:56,799
Speaker 6: a limit, you know, for this team, for this offense.

1922
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 6: But we do have a long way to go. Like

1923
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 6: I said, our offense and defense are news. So guys,

1924
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 6: are you know, really tuned in and locked in and

1925
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 6: trying to get everything down? But I think you know

1926
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 6: once we do. I think this guy's are limited. I mean,

1927
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 6: we have, you know, all the guys you need, We

1928
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 6: have all the talent, So it's really just going to

1929
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 6: come down to disciplinection, execution when the game's come.

1930
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 2: I think I can be great. I think the sky

1931
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 2: is the limit with the Jets. So I want you

1932
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 2: to stop and consider history.

1933
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 7: The word great, very rarely throughout history appears in a

1934
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 7: sentence alongside the word Jets in sports conversations, unless the

1935
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 7: great is actually describing whoever the Jets played that week.

1936
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,799
Speaker 2: Now, yet there was a Nameth. You had some decent

1937
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 2: success with Rex Ryan's Jets teams there for a couple

1938
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 2: of years, right, and so Aaron Rodgers was great, but

1939
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 2: not as a Jet. The greatness of Aaron Rodgers you

1940
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 2: were talking about came in Green Bay. So justin fields, okay, awful,

1941
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 2: all time awful situation in Chicago quarterbacking a horrendously coached team,

1942
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 2: horrendously run the organization awful, just brutal. And then he

1943
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 2: goes to Pittsburgh and he becomes basically a gadget player

1944
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 2: for the Steelers. Comes in a couple of different times,

1945
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 2: and if you need a first down. He might be

1946
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 2: a guy that can run for you. And look, to

1947
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 2: his credit, didn't play with the giant ego and all

1948
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 2: those things. Just did what they asked him to do.

1949
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 2: You gotta appreciate that about him because that had to

1950
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 2: take some humility on his part because think about what

1951
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 2: he was at Ohio State and what it's been for

1952
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 2: him in the NFL. So now he steps into the

1953
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 2: New York Jets organization. Two, let's just call him not

1954
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 2: particularly ideal spots. Okay, brand new head coach and Aaron Clynn,

1955
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 2: brand new staff and yeah, that would ordinarily make you

1956
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 2: feel good. But how many brand new coaches and brand

1957
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 2: new staffs and the New York Jets have. This is

1958
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 2: the Jets we're talking about, Sorry, Jason Smith. This is

1959
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 2: where good players go and disappear. This is where Hall

1960
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 2: of Famers Aaron Rodgers went and disappeared. He might be

1961
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, but he also might be in the witness

1962
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 2: protection program. I'm not sure at this point. Now, Look,

1963
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 2: what Fields was saying is what you got to say.

1964
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 2: I understand that, right, Like he's not gonna say, yeah,

1965
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 2: we're probably gonna be a two win team, Like he's

1966
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 2: not gonna do that. He's gonna say optimistic stuff. He's

1967
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 2: and he needs to be confident. I get all that.

1968
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 2: And he said, look, there's a lot of work that

1969
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 2: we have to do to get there. But then he said,

1970
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 2: the ceiling is awfully high. The sky is the limit.

1971
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, boy, I can tell you that

1972
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 2: you have a you have it all. The only way

1973
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 2: you can go is up, bro, Like, it can only

1974
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:08,719
Speaker 2: get better, right, it can't get much worse. The sky

1975
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 2: is way away from you right now. If you were

1976
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:14,760
Speaker 2: able to touch the sky, then you have gone a

1977
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 2: tremendous distance. But to say, I think I can be

1978
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 2: great with the Jets, man, put that on your mirror

1979
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 2: in your bathroom. Put that like, take some scotch tape

1980
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 2: and tape it to the front of your microwave. Put

1981
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 2: it on your stove. Put it underneath your rear view mirror.

1982
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 2: Replace objects in the side mirror are closer than they

1983
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 2: appear with I think I can be great. Because you're

1984
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 2: going to need to tell yourself that on a week

1985
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 2: to week basis once the season starts, because even though

1986
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 2: there's some good football players on the Jets roster, woah, boy,

1987
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 2: you have a lot of history and a lot of

1988
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 2: even recent history to overcome. Yes, you can only you

1989
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 2: can only get better from here, from where the Jets

1990
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 2: found themselves. But the optimism is strong with this one.

1991
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 2: Folks like this is you gotta will this thing into existence.

1992
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:25,839
Speaker 2: You know what the other thing you got Tom Brady

1993
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 2: remember the uh Tampa Bay. He sent his guys all

1994
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,480
Speaker 2: the text that stores out there. Tom Brady sent texts

1995
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 2: to his entire team the week of the Super Bowl

1996
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 2: against Kansas City and said, hey, we're gonna win this game.

1997
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 2: And because it was Tom Brady, they believed it. Justin

1998
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 2: Fields needs to send this like on a loop every

1999
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 2: ten minutes to every member of the Jets team. I

2000
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 2: think we can be great. I think we can be great,

2001
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 2: like because it's gonna take that level of repetition, like

2002
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:58,639
Speaker 2: spelling be national champion, repetition, repetition for people to actually

2003
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,800
Speaker 2: believe that in that building, like there's sometimes you tell

2004
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 2: yourself a lie enough, you might you start to believe it.

2005
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 2: You tell a story enough all that, that's how you

2006
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 2: memorize stuff. You got to ingrain this into the souls

2007
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 2: of your teammates with the Jets, because the first time

2008
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 2: they go out there and they put that Jets uniform on.

2009
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 2: The only thing that they are going to think about,

2010
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 2: especially if they've never played with the Jets before, is

2011
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 2: every time they watch them on television and saw stuff

2012
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 2: like Sam Darnold seeing ghosts. The history is not on

2013
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:34,639
Speaker 2: their side. The odds are not in the fava. Terrible

2014
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 2: accent by me, but I wasn't hired for that role.

2015
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm not rooting against Justin Fields. Like I said, I'm

2016
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 2: a fan and I know that this is the kind

2017
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:49,560
Speaker 2: of thing that you have to say, but this is wishcasting.

2018
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 2: The Jets are not going to be good this year.

2019
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what Aaron Glenn does in year one,

2020
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 2: but he's a first time head coach and there's still

2021
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 2: a lot of things that the Yets don't have, even

2022
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 2: if the draft went fairly well for them. So we

2023
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: just talked quarterbacks, We talked Flacco, and we talked Fields.

2024
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 2: When we come back another quarterback. In fact, Justin Fields

2025
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 2: was a former Chicago quarterback. What did the current Chicago

2026
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 2: quarterback have to say about whether he really wanted to

2027
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 2: be there or not. That's next. I'm Jason Martin, this

2028
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 2: is Fox Sports. Radio, finishing up the third hour in

2029
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 2: for Bernie Ferroudo. My name is Jason Martin. I'm glad

2030
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 2: to be here, blessed to be here with you this morning,

2031
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 2: rocking out to Smells like Teen Spirit. Still one of

2032
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 2: the uh one of the mistakes was never getting to

2033
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:50,679
Speaker 2: catch them when Kurt was still with us. Definitely something

2034
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 2: I loved in high school, to say the least. Never

2035
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 2: got it, never happened, and like many right, we didn't realize.

2036
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 2: You never realize how few apportunities you have to do

2037
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 2: certain things right. The biggest regret for me is not

2038
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 2: getting to see Tom Petty live, one of my all

2039
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 2: time favorites. And I had a chance the year before

2040
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 2: he died, and it was I was just, well, he'll

2041
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 2: come again next year, because he was coming pretty regularly.

2042
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 2: Heartbreakers were doing their greatest hits and it was just like,

2043
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to catch them. I'll catch them, but I

2044
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 2: can probably wait and go next year. And then he passed.

2045
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 2: So take advantage when you get the chance to do stuff.

2046
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying here. Caleb Williams number one draft

2047
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 2: pick of the Chicago Bears. Seth Wickerchamp's book has the

2048
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 2: story of how they did not want to be Bears,

2049
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 2: meaning the Williams family. Caleb did not want to go,

2050
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 2: His dad really didn't want him to go, and so

2051
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams this week came out and said, I want

2052
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 2: it known I wanted to be here. So no, you

2053
01:54:57,160 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 2: really didn't. I mean, that's the truth. You didn't. You

2054
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 2: didn't have a choice. And so and he said in

2055
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 2: this statement right or this, He just stood up and

2056
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 2: he wanted to comment on this, and he said, look,

2057
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 2: I visited and then I left stronger about the organization.

2058
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 2: And I believe that to an extent, Like you go

2059
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 2: there and you understand the futility that they have had,

2060
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 2: and you think, how awesome would it be if I'm

2061
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 2: the difference for this franchise. It's been since eighty five

2062
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: since they've won a title. If I only played one

2063
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 2: other super Bowl since then in the rain, the Rex

2064
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 2: Grossman Bowl won by Peyton Manning. I mean, think about

2065
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: the fame that would come with that. If Caleb was

2066
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 2: able to do that for the Bears. He'd be a

2067
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 2: legend if he could do that. So I believe that

2068
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:48,640
Speaker 2: you go there and you think about that, especially if

2069
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 2: you have confidence in your abilities. And Caleb has been

2070
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 2: told for years and years and years that he was

2071
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 2: the wonder Kent, right, So I believe that you go

2072
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 2: there and you see that. And he even admitted in

2073
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 2: this same statement, he's like, yeah. So we talked, meaning

2074
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 2: his his advisors and certainly his family. We talked about

2075
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 2: the history the Bears and just how they haven't been

2076
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 2: able to develop franchise quarterbacks and all of that kind

2077
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 2: of stuff. We talked about that maybe you know what's

2078
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 2: the best place for my career and all this, but

2079
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 2: what's important is I wanted to be here. So he

2080
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 2: admitted that they had the conversation, and we know how

2081
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 2: the conversation went. Man, that's not a good place to go,

2082
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 2: at least it hasn't been yet. Maybe you're going to

2083
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:41,760
Speaker 2: be different, son. So I believe all of what he

2084
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 2: was saying in terms of he went there and he

2085
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:45,440
Speaker 2: thought about what a cool thing it would be if

2086
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 2: he was able to be part of it right, to

2087
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 2: turn it around. What I don't believe is that he

2088
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 2: wanted to be a Bear. What he saw value in

2089
01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 2: was being the unicorn that could fix it. But that

2090
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I wanted to be here. He's saying it

2091
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 2: because he's there. You don't say, now, yeah I didn't

2092
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 2: want to be here. You certainly don't say I don't

2093
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 2: want to be here, But you don't even say, yeah,

2094
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:18,400
Speaker 2: I really didn't want to be here. But that's you know,

2095
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 2: it is what it is that that's not something anyone

2096
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 2: is going to say.

2097
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 4: Right.

2098
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 2: He can't change where he is. And then this Wickersham

2099
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 2: book and these stories have come out and it's just

2100
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 2: causing some off season drama. And now we're getting real

2101
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 2: close to the season and camp and everything else. In

2102
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 2: the preseason, it's just drama he didn't really need. But

2103
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Speaker 2: I don't blame him. By the way you think about it,

2104
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 2: what is that where you would want to be necessarily?

2105
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 2: Probably not? And I don't blame him for what he's

2106
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 2: saying here kind of trying to sort of soften it

2107
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, but the important thing is by the

2108
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 2: time I was drafted, I really did want to be here.

2109
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he should say. So he didn't completely

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01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 2: disown his thoughts. He said that after he visited he

2111
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 2: wanted to be a reason for the turnaround, and I'm

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01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 2: cool with that, but I want it known though he

2113
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:11,920
Speaker 2: did not want to be a Chicago Bear. And I'm

2114
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 2: not just trying to come down on Caleb here because

2115
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 2: he didn't want to be a Chicago Bear, just like

2116
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 2: Jim Kelly didn't want to be a Buffalo Bill. I

2117
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 2: made this point a couple of weeks ago on My

2118
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 2: regular show with Aaron Torres. Jim Kelly famously did not

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01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 2: want to play in the cold weather. The last place

2120
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 2: he wanted to go was Buffalo. He was upset when

2121
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 2: he was drafted there, and now he's one of the

2122
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,880
Speaker 2: most beloved figures ever to step foot in that city,

2123
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 2: and he was welcomed even though that story was out

2124
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 2: there and Bill's fans knew it. Like after he retired,

2125
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 2: he was just like, I'm so thankful that you embraced me,

2126
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 2: even after I was a knucklehead about this, even after

2127
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 2: I was overly honest and I was scared about it

2128
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to be in cold weather. I'm

2129
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 2: not a cold weather guy. But you embraced me. And

2130
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:01,360
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that this organization wrapped at me. What

2131
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying is it ended really well for Jim Kelly,

2132
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 2: and whether or not I'd buy that, Caleb Williams wanted

2133
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 2: to be a Chicago Bear or not is almost irrelevant

2134
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 2: because it really worked out for Jim Kelly, and I

2135
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 2: also think that it might work out pretty well for

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01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams in Chicago as well. Final Hour the show

2137
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 2: is coming up. Eastern Conference Finals are a wrap, NBA

2138
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 2: Finals are coming and the end of Turner. I want

2139
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 2: to talk about the end of TNT NBA coverage when

2140
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:35,600
Speaker 2: we come back on Fox.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in. I am Jason Martin. What's happening. Hope you're well.

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Speaker 2: Hope your Sunday is beginning, blessed, Hope it ends blessed.

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Speaker 2: We are live in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Pacers Thunder,

2145
01:59:57,200 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 2: that's your NBA Finals. I'm gonna talk more about the

2146
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals and the Knicks. Just the Knicks just

2147
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 2: finally just didn't have anything left. The Pacers out lasted them,

2148
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 2: They out quicked them, they out hustled them, they certainly

2149
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 2: out defended them. They actually lost the battle on the boards,

2150
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:15,560
Speaker 2: largely thanks to Mitchell Robinson who was just an absolute

2151
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 2: monster on the glass. But the Pacers were able to

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02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 2: speed it up when they had to forced a lot

2153
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 2: of turnovers, scored a lot off those turnovers. I actually

2154
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:30,440
Speaker 2: saw like points off turnovers in this series, with something

2155
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:34,440
Speaker 2: preposterous like one forty to forty or something like that.

2156
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:36,960
Speaker 2: That's not quite right, but it's in the vicinity of right.

2157
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:41,800
Speaker 2: It was almost one hundred more for Indiana, and the

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02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:47,280
Speaker 2: Knicks had played a vast majority more minutes than the

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Speaker 2: Pacers in terms of their starters, so they were worn out.

2160
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:54,080
Speaker 2: They were worn down. They weren't a team that wanted

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02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 2: to play fast in the first place. The Pacers knew

2162
02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 2: that Rick Carlisle came in there with that mantra and

2163
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 2: you came in that third and fourth quarter especially, and

2164
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 2: they just they have way too much for them. First

2165
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,680
Speaker 2: half when exactly how you would want, really if you

2166
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 2: were the Knicks. It was a four point game. You

2167
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:13,800
Speaker 2: kept it very close, it was tied several times, had

2168
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 2: some lead changes there. I think the Pacers blew it

2169
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,480
Speaker 2: up to six at one point, and then you cut

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Speaker 2: it down and it's fifty eight to fifty four at

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02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 2: a half. All the pressure is on Indiana because the

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02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:29,640
Speaker 2: last the last place they want to find themselves on

2173
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 2: Monday was going to be Madison Square. Garden, and if

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02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:37,160
Speaker 2: you blew what they had prior to get to that point,

2175
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:41,640
Speaker 2: the chances of them somehow winning game seven in that

2176
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 2: rate at that building, all that that was not going

2177
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,280
Speaker 2: to be very good. So they had to get it

2178
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:51,000
Speaker 2: done here and all the Knicks had to do was

2179
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:53,920
Speaker 2: just go out and play, and the Knicks just man.

2180
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 2: The defensive effort wasn't there. Brunson had a very difficult night.

2181
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 2: Just everywhere he tried to go, there was somebody in

2182
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:06,480
Speaker 2: his face, if not multiple people. Didn't end up scoring twenty.

2183
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 2: I think he had nineteen in the game, and he

2184
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,879
Speaker 2: was frustrated. You could see it. He was He kept dribbling,

2185
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:16,480
Speaker 2: he was trying to find lanes, he was trying to

2186
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 2: find anything. Couldn't do it. Towns had twenty two. But

2187
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 2: Towns was absolutely non existent on the defensive side of

2188
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 2: the ball. And he does that a lot, but in

2189
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:30,040
Speaker 2: this case, like he just he was like guys just

2190
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 2: blow past him for wide open layups and at his

2191
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:37,600
Speaker 2: size to just not be a force at all that way,

2192
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:41,320
Speaker 2: if he's not giving you offense, he's basically you can't

2193
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 2: have him on the floor at all. And he was

2194
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 2: hurt a few games ago and he was hurt in

2195
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 2: the last series a little bit, so he probably wouldn't

2196
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 2: feeling his best, but man, he was out there, so

2197
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 2: he needed to give you more than he did in

2198
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 2: this case, and he looked on the other sides. Yakham

2199
02:02:56,200 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 2: had thirty one. Seakham's named You were Eastern Finals MVP.

2200
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,120
Speaker 2: I think he got one more vote than Halliburton did.

2201
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:05,000
Speaker 2: Haliburton had twenty one. In the game. A lot of

2202
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 2: them came late. He was not like he wasn't really

2203
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 2: looking for his offense early. He was definitely looking to

2204
02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:14,080
Speaker 2: pass first, which is more his style. He's just an

2205
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 2: incredible passer at the point guard spot, and his energy

2206
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 2: level was big time, but he was getting other guys involved.

2207
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:25,240
Speaker 2: The leaders scorer for the Knicks was og Onnobi and

2208
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 2: he had twenty four. He played pretty well, even though

2209
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:28,720
Speaker 2: he couldn't shoot well from three. I think he was

2210
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:31,680
Speaker 2: two of seven from beyond the arc. But I mean

2211
02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:34,920
Speaker 2: the Knicks as a team were not thirty percent from

2212
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,480
Speaker 2: the three point line. So you look at that, and

2213
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:40,480
Speaker 2: then you look at the Pacers at fifty plus percent

2214
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 2: seventeen to thirty three. I believe it was. That tells

2215
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:47,800
Speaker 2: you a lot as just sixty five percent from the

2216
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,760
Speaker 2: line for the Knicks. Either way, the Pacers were the

2217
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:55,360
Speaker 2: better team in the series. They probably wouldn't have won

2218
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 2: it if it went seven, so they had to make

2219
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:58,880
Speaker 2: sure it didn't, and it did not. They win the

2220
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:02,640
Speaker 2: game by seventeen. It was closer than that for a while.

2221
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:06,760
Speaker 2: But this result really does tell the story of the

2222
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:10,120
Speaker 2: way the second half played, and that's been the story

2223
02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:12,520
Speaker 2: of the whole series. Is the Pacers were better when

2224
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:17,600
Speaker 2: it mattered most. Even if the Knicks played arguably better

2225
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:19,880
Speaker 2: basketball in a lot of the first halves or even

2226
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 2: the first three quarters of games in this series, it

2227
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:26,600
Speaker 2: doesn't matter when you can't finish, it doesn't. The movie

2228
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 2: is no good at the ending stinks. I would much

2229
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:34,880
Speaker 2: rather half the movie be bad. But when it ramps up,

2230
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,200
Speaker 2: it really ramps up, and it has an awesome conclusion

2231
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 2: than the opposite. And the same thing is always going

2232
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:44,320
Speaker 2: to be true of your sports teams. Why are games

2233
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,120
Speaker 2: that are really good for a half and then turn

2234
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:50,440
Speaker 2: into laughers are never regarded as classics, but games that

2235
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 2: three quarters are boring as all get out, and then

2236
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter turns into this riveting back and forth

2237
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:00,080
Speaker 2: deal this is an instant classic. We're gonna have to

2238
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:04,520
Speaker 2: replay it tomorrow. Like and I usually I'll come on

2239
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:07,120
Speaker 2: the radio or I'll come on and I'll say, you know,

2240
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:09,400
Speaker 2: that wasn't a great game. It was just a great finish.

2241
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:14,760
Speaker 2: But everything's determined by how it ends, right. It just

2242
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,200
Speaker 2: is like think about the Orlando Magic the year that

2243
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,200
Speaker 2: they were in the finals. This is the Shack Penny

2244
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:24,400
Speaker 2: Orlando team the year they were in the finals against

2245
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets, when Jordan was playing baseball. The Magic

2246
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:35,280
Speaker 2: had to lead. They had it at home. Nick Anderson

2247
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:37,280
Speaker 2: goes to the free throw line. Many of you know

2248
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 2: this story if you're old enough, misses the two free throws.

2249
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 2: They found him again, he misses two more so he

2250
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:47,360
Speaker 2: misses four free throws. Kenny Smith hits a three pointer.

2251
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:51,080
Speaker 2: Sense it to overtime. The air is sucked out of

2252
02:05:51,120 --> 02:05:54,120
Speaker 2: the building. The Rockets win game one and they end

2253
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 2: up sweeping the Magic. It's about how you finished. They

2254
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:02,840
Speaker 2: played great, did the Magic early in that game, and

2255
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:06,920
Speaker 2: then it collapsed. And honestly, Nick Anderson never recovered from it.

2256
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 2: He was never the same player after that night, but

2257
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:14,800
Speaker 2: you were. But history is written by the victors. It's

2258
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:19,280
Speaker 2: not written by the guys that were in charge for

2259
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 2: the first half of the war. They're not around to

2260
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 2: write the history at the end. So it was about

2261
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:29,879
Speaker 2: who finished. It's always about who finishes, and the Pacers finished.

2262
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:35,880
Speaker 2: It's that simple. Also finished is coverage of the NBA

2263
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:41,440
Speaker 2: on TND on Turner Networks. After thirty six years, they

2264
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,680
Speaker 2: signed off for the final time. I mentioned the first

2265
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:45,080
Speaker 2: hour of the show if you missed any part of

2266
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 2: the show though, by the way, podcast that's when Bernie's here,

2267
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:52,600
Speaker 2: when I'm in for him, and certainly all the other shows.

2268
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:55,440
Speaker 2: Just wherever you get your podcasts, search us and you

2269
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 2: can hear. But I said to the end of the

2270
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,240
Speaker 2: first hour, the tribute that Reggie Miller had for Kevin

2271
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:03,560
Speaker 2: Harlan was special, saying that he made him a better

2272
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 2: dad by watching how Kevin was with his children. That is,

2273
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:13,440
Speaker 2: I want somebody to say that about me. I don't

2274
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:15,040
Speaker 2: care what they say about what I am on the

2275
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:20,440
Speaker 2: radio or any almost anything else. I want them to

2276
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:22,560
Speaker 2: say I wanted to be a better husband, I wanted

2277
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:26,040
Speaker 2: to be a better father because of just observing how

2278
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 2: you did, how you were with your wife and children

2279
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 2: and that's what he said. But the inside guys, you know,

2280
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:36,600
Speaker 2: they did their their send off, and both Shaq and

2281
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 2: Kinney dropped that f bombs and Barkley set his piece,

2282
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 2: and Ernie Johnson, as I expected, got more emotional because

2283
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:46,320
Speaker 2: he's been with Turner for so long. It's unthinkable that

2284
02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:48,200
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be with them as a matter of fact.

2285
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 2: But you know, he made the point, a lot of

2286
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 2: these people either have found jobs or they're gonna be

2287
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 2: with us. Our staff's gonna be with us, We're still

2288
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 2: gonna be in the studio. It's still gonna be the

2289
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 2: same guys, same ideas, just going to be airing on

2290
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:05,280
Speaker 2: a different network. I don't know if that's gonna be

2291
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:10,200
Speaker 2: true or not, because they're going to a major corporation here.

2292
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 2: But our own Rob Parker on The Odd Couple had

2293
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:19,480
Speaker 2: his own take on this, and I wanted to comment

2294
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:23,000
Speaker 2: on this because I think there's something to this. It's

2295
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,880
Speaker 2: certainly worth discussion. So here's what Rob had to say

2296
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:27,440
Speaker 2: earlier this week on The Odd Couple.

2297
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:32,200
Speaker 8: Inside the NBA is moving to ESPN. Supposedly the same

2298
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:34,200
Speaker 8: people ran it or whatever, we're going to do it,

2299
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 8: and they're just kind of like selling the the raperty

2300
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 8: right of it. But all the same cast members, they're

2301
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:42,960
Speaker 8: all gonna be back and all that kind of stuff.

2302
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 8: But it's an But it's gonna be air on ESPN,

2303
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:46,320
Speaker 8: And I know a lot of.

2304
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 2: People rejoiced and were happy. It was a mistake.

2305
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:51,960
Speaker 1: Inside the NBA.

2306
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:56,840
Speaker 8: Coming back on ESPN next year is a mistake, a

2307
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 8: colossal mistake.

2308
02:08:59,600 --> 02:09:00,560
Speaker 1: It ain't work.

2309
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 8: It ain't gonna feel the same, it ain't gonna be

2310
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:03,760
Speaker 8: the same.

2311
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,120
Speaker 2: TNT was a unique situation.

2312
02:09:07,240 --> 02:09:10,839
Speaker 8: They didn't have all that other sports properties and Charles

2313
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 8: ripping on this and that, and there were no other

2314
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:17,240
Speaker 8: shows or personalities that they had to worry about. Ask

2315
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:20,480
Speaker 8: Pat McAfee, who was on YouTube.

2316
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:21,879
Speaker 2: During his day. I come over to ESPN.

2317
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:23,320
Speaker 1: He's on the air.

2318
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:27,520
Speaker 8: Calling out bosses by name. He's a rat this and that.

2319
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 8: Oh no, Pat mcvey's his own entity. He doesn't really,

2320
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,320
Speaker 8: nobody's their own entity when they were on a network.

2321
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 2: Nobody. I don't care.

2322
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:40,040
Speaker 8: Somebody upstairs is gonna be like I don't want to

2323
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:41,040
Speaker 8: hear that, or is.

2324
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 2: That stop that?

2325
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:47,160
Speaker 8: Yes, they'll tell you have your autonomy right. It don't

2326
02:09:47,200 --> 02:09:49,839
Speaker 8: work like that inside the NBA.

2327
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 2: Going to ESPN as like.

2328
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:58,080
Speaker 8: American Idol leaving Fox and going to ABC.

2329
02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:03,120
Speaker 2: Have you watched since it don't feel the same. So

2330
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:05,160
Speaker 2: that was what Rob Parker said on The Odd Couple

2331
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:08,200
Speaker 2: about Inside the NBA. He said, they should have just

2332
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 2: ended it because it's not going to be the same.

2333
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:12,680
Speaker 2: No matter how much they want to tell you it's

2334
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:14,040
Speaker 2: going to be the same, it's never going to be

2335
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:17,480
Speaker 2: the same. I think there is something to that. I

2336
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:22,000
Speaker 2: don't know that I fully agree with that take, but

2337
02:10:22,080 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 2: I do think it isn't going to feel exactly the same.

2338
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:27,480
Speaker 2: Now if they're in the exact same studio, everything looks

2339
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:30,600
Speaker 2: almost the same. Is that maybe the sponsorships maybe as

2340
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:34,000
Speaker 2: a maybe the name changes slightly or who knows. But

2341
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,160
Speaker 2: they're all sitting in the same seats, the desk looks

2342
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:38,760
Speaker 2: the same, most of the staff's the same, which means

2343
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:40,600
Speaker 2: a camera work's still going to be the same all

2344
02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Can they pull it off? I

2345
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 2: think they can. But I also think there is something

2346
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:49,800
Speaker 2: to walking away icons. Not that their legacy gets tarnished

2347
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 2: if they continue. But if Jordan had never gone to Washington,

2348
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:02,720
Speaker 2: going to Washington did nothing for him, It didn't hurt

2349
02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:05,760
Speaker 2: him In my opinion, I think only grifters would argue

2350
02:11:05,800 --> 02:11:08,240
Speaker 2: that it should hurt his the way you see him.

2351
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:15,160
Speaker 2: But it is very hard to just walk away when

2352
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 2: you've still got it. But something has changed. I'm a

2353
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:23,680
Speaker 2: Broncos fan. I know you're saying he's a Thunder fan.

2354
02:11:23,680 --> 02:11:25,840
Speaker 2: He's a Broncos fan. Look I am what I am.

2355
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 2: I lived in a place where there were no pro

2356
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:31,480
Speaker 2: sports team, so I picked teams based on things, and

2357
02:11:32,200 --> 02:11:34,080
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I became a Broncos fan

2358
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:37,600
Speaker 2: because like the Colors. I love John Elway. That simple

2359
02:11:40,360 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 2: John Elway walked away after two Super Bowls. He's one

2360
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 2: of the only guys that ever was able to do that.

2361
02:11:45,680 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 2: I worked in pro wrestling for many years. I don't

2362
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 2: know how many pro wrestlers had quote retirement un quote

2363
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:53,240
Speaker 2: matches and then came back and had careers after it

2364
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:57,760
Speaker 2: because they couldn't stay away. Tom Brady famously unretired, came

2365
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:01,200
Speaker 2: back played before he finally bung it up. I think

2366
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:04,200
Speaker 2: finally he could probably still come back. You never know,

2367
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 2: it's very hard to walk away. It's very hard to

2368
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 2: do it, especially when you're at the top of your

2369
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:13,560
Speaker 2: game and somebody's willing to compensate you or it's just

2370
02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:18,160
Speaker 2: who you are. So I'm not surprised that they're not

2371
02:12:18,280 --> 02:12:21,680
Speaker 2: ending it. But what Rob Parker said, Bill Simmons actually

2372
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 2: also said. Bill Simmons said they should just walk away.

2373
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:30,560
Speaker 2: The end of NBA on TNT should be the inside finale,

2374
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:33,400
Speaker 2: That should be it. They should not go do this

2375
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 2: anywhere else. So like this was a moment in time,

2376
02:12:35,560 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 2: This was a capsule of history that was special and unique,

2377
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:41,920
Speaker 2: and we're not even going to attempt to keep it going.

2378
02:12:42,920 --> 02:12:46,480
Speaker 2: This was Turner was us, We were Turner, I said

2379
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:48,320
Speaker 2: in the first hour. The thing that made Inside the

2380
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:51,800
Speaker 2: NBA special to me, One of the things is the

2381
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:55,240
Speaker 2: fact that Turner gave them the space to do what

2382
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:58,080
Speaker 2: they did, stayed out of the way a lot of

2383
02:12:58,120 --> 02:13:01,640
Speaker 2: the time, but also gave them time to show their

2384
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 2: personalities and to never feel rushed. The great thing about

2385
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:07,920
Speaker 2: Inside the NBA, for years and years, long before Shack

2386
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:14,120
Speaker 2: even got there, was that that show had time. Didn't matter,

2387
02:13:14,240 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 2: like whatever was going to air afterwards was going to

2388
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:20,720
Speaker 2: air afterwards. But they did not have fifteen minutes they

2389
02:13:20,720 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 2: had to get to this. They had their time, they

2390
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,280
Speaker 2: had their moments, they were able to talk, they were

2391
02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 2: able to actually have lengthy discussions, which in the era

2392
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:32,160
Speaker 2: that we now live in, those clips, those seven to

2393
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:36,080
Speaker 2: eight minute clips of them breaking down something in detail

2394
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:38,240
Speaker 2: or having some kind of a disagreement, end up with

2395
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:41,520
Speaker 2: millions of views within hours when they put those up

2396
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:46,320
Speaker 2: on YouTube. You never get that from ESPN stuff from

2397
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:48,960
Speaker 2: their coverage of games, from their pregame or postgame, because

2398
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 2: they're not even given time even if they were good.

2399
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:56,000
Speaker 2: And that's subjective, right, I don't need to drag anybody,

2400
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:59,160
Speaker 2: but they're not even given the breathing room to do that.

2401
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:03,680
Speaker 2: So what I want to know and where I think

2402
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 2: Rob really does have a point. It's definitely not going

2403
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:09,680
Speaker 2: to feel the same if they have to break seventeen

2404
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:12,080
Speaker 2: more times to get to this sponsor or that sponsor,

2405
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:15,000
Speaker 2: or this thing or that thing that they never had

2406
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:18,680
Speaker 2: to do with Turner. If they don't have the space

2407
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:22,320
Speaker 2: and those lengthy times where they can really just let

2408
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:25,320
Speaker 2: it go, then it is not at all going to

2409
02:14:25,320 --> 02:14:28,560
Speaker 2: feel the same. And we're going to say, man, this

2410
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:31,360
Speaker 2: is not what it was at its best, or even

2411
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:35,160
Speaker 2: some people thought they peaked years ago. Whatever. I would

2412
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 2: watch it until until it stopped, even the years that

2413
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:42,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't watch much basketball because of the time or

2414
02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:46,280
Speaker 2: whatever's happened in my life, I dvard inside the NBA.

2415
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:48,280
Speaker 2: That's the whole reason why I was glad the NBA

2416
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:51,720
Speaker 2: Network existed. They had some other good documentaries and stuff.

2417
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:55,080
Speaker 2: But the thing that I could not live without, the

2418
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:57,960
Speaker 2: thing absolutely I couldn't live without, was the stuff Turner

2419
02:14:58,080 --> 02:15:01,040
Speaker 2: was most associated with, and mainly it was inside the NBA.

2420
02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:03,560
Speaker 2: They would run it all night long, and I could

2421
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:05,920
Speaker 2: just record one of the morning shows and make sure

2422
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 2: I got it all, even if there was an overlap

2423
02:15:07,880 --> 02:15:09,800
Speaker 2: or whatever was going on, and what I tried to

2424
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:12,520
Speaker 2: record on the DVR. Because the game ran long, I

2425
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:15,040
Speaker 2: could always make sure I had that. That made the

2426
02:15:15,080 --> 02:15:19,480
Speaker 2: NBA worthwhile a cable network. Just having access to that,

2427
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:21,240
Speaker 2: and then Open Court and some of the other stuff

2428
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:25,400
Speaker 2: they did with those guys was phenomenal. But ESPN never

2429
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:27,800
Speaker 2: gives their guys the breathing room they have. It's like

2430
02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:30,839
Speaker 2: Steven A, here's ten seconds, Kendrick Parkins, here's ten seconds,

2431
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:33,640
Speaker 2: probably ten two long for you. Malika Andrews, here's five seconds.

2432
02:15:33,680 --> 02:15:35,840
Speaker 2: Like nobody had time when Jay, when Rose was there,

2433
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:37,760
Speaker 2: had no time when he's gone on Turner. Guess what

2434
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:39,920
Speaker 2: he's got time, he's better, He's able to actually be

2435
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 2: himself a lot more. You see his personality instead of automaton. One.

2436
02:15:44,760 --> 02:15:46,480
Speaker 2: Here's your take. You got twelve seconds. We got to

2437
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:49,280
Speaker 2: get to this trailer for Marvel's fantastic four First Steps.

2438
02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:53,120
Speaker 2: That's the thing they can't do. If they do that

2439
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:56,240
Speaker 2: with Inside the NBA, then Rob Parker's going to turn

2440
02:15:56,240 --> 02:15:59,080
Speaker 2: out to be exactly right. And look, Rob worked at ESPN,

2441
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:02,480
Speaker 2: so he knows those at least to some degree, what

2442
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:05,880
Speaker 2: they are walking into. I do think and hope that

2443
02:16:05,960 --> 02:16:10,440
Speaker 2: they have this autonomy that what Ernie said is going

2444
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:13,960
Speaker 2: to turn out to be exactly right, because a sanitized,

2445
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:19,320
Speaker 2: rushed version of this show is not going to work,

2446
02:16:19,560 --> 02:16:21,680
Speaker 2: and we're all going to be sad. And I'm just

2447
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:25,440
Speaker 2: sad that it's not on Turner anymore, because that felt

2448
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:29,000
Speaker 2: like not a relic. It felt like an antique in

2449
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:31,360
Speaker 2: the best possible way, like the one you want to

2450
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,720
Speaker 2: go in the shop and you want to display, because

2451
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:36,200
Speaker 2: you just don't get much like that anymore. It was

2452
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:39,720
Speaker 2: and probably will always be the greatest studio show in

2453
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 2: the history of sports broadcasting, and I hope that we're

2454
02:16:42,920 --> 02:16:46,560
Speaker 2: not saying that in the past tense, but got to

2455
02:16:46,560 --> 02:16:49,320
Speaker 2: say I'm at least fearful that Rob Parker is one

2456
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:52,520
Speaker 2: hundred percent right. One thing I know is not going

2457
02:16:52,560 --> 02:16:56,280
Speaker 2: to be true is that this team is not going

2458
02:16:56,320 --> 02:16:59,000
Speaker 2: to win every game this season, even though they're favored

2459
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,240
Speaker 2: to do so. I'll tell you who it is and

2460
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:03,200
Speaker 2: why when we come back. I'm Jason Martin. This is

2461
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:04,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

2462
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

2463
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:12,680
Speaker 3: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

2464
02:17:12,840 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 3: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to

2465
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:17,720
Speaker 3: listen live.

2466
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:22,680
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I'm going to have to do this NFL team

2467
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:26,800
Speaker 2: like that. But you can stream this show all of

2468
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:29,680
Speaker 2: our Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven

2469
02:17:29,720 --> 02:17:32,160
Speaker 2: in the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox

2470
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 2: Sports Radio in the app, you can stream us live.

2471
02:17:34,720 --> 02:17:36,680
Speaker 2: One of the newest features in the app, you can

2472
02:17:36,680 --> 02:17:39,959
Speaker 2: now select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets,

2473
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:42,640
Speaker 2: just like the ones on your radio dial if you

2474
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:45,959
Speaker 2: still got one of those. If you don't, perhaps you're

2475
02:17:45,959 --> 02:17:49,400
Speaker 2: old enough to at least remember such, but be sure

2476
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:52,600
Speaker 2: preset Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. It will

2477
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:55,360
Speaker 2: always pop up the top of your screen. I'm Jason

2478
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:58,680
Speaker 2: Martin and for Bernie Frado here this morning. Usually you

2479
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:01,640
Speaker 2: hear me with Aaron Torres right before Bernie Farrado. So

2480
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm up a little later than usual earlier considering I'm

2481
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:10,840
Speaker 2: in Nashville, Tennessee. So we're approaching four thirty am. So

2482
02:18:10,920 --> 02:18:14,600
Speaker 2: I said I had to do this NFL team like this,

2483
02:18:14,840 --> 02:18:21,200
Speaker 2: and one team is favored in every game this season,

2484
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:24,680
Speaker 2: one team in the NFL. That team would be the

2485
02:18:24,720 --> 02:18:31,039
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. CBS others have said they're the most likely

2486
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:32,920
Speaker 2: team to win the Super Bowl. They have the best

2487
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:39,520
Speaker 2: odds to that. I just gotta tell you, you're gonna

2488
02:18:39,520 --> 02:18:42,440
Speaker 2: need to wake me up in January, because yeah, they'll

2489
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:46,280
Speaker 2: be right there. Of course they will. They always are.

2490
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:51,280
Speaker 2: So I need you to tell me what's going to change.

2491
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:55,240
Speaker 2: I mean, not a thing that they do during the

2492
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:58,320
Speaker 2: regular season. Nothing. I don't care how dominant they look

2493
02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:03,200
Speaker 2: over those seventeen games. They can win every one of them.

2494
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:05,959
Speaker 2: By thirty. They can prove this right right. They're favorite

2495
02:19:05,959 --> 02:19:08,960
Speaker 2: in every game they win, they cover whatever you want

2496
02:19:08,959 --> 02:19:13,160
Speaker 2: to say. None of that means jack squat. It doesn't

2497
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:17,680
Speaker 2: mean Diddley until the playoffs. Not with this team. And

2498
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the wildcard round. I'm not even

2499
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:26,080
Speaker 2: talking about the divisional round. Nothing matters surrounding the Buffalo

2500
02:19:26,120 --> 02:19:30,560
Speaker 2: Bills until at least the conference championship game, if not

2501
02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:35,720
Speaker 2: reaching the super Bowl. That's the bar we're now at

2502
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:39,800
Speaker 2: with them. No excuses left, well except the fact that

2503
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:42,640
Speaker 2: they're still going to roll Sean McDermott out as head coach,

2504
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:45,640
Speaker 2: so they could still potentially try to rest back on that.

2505
02:19:45,680 --> 02:19:48,360
Speaker 2: And look, this is not on Josh Allen. I'm not

2506
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:50,840
Speaker 2: of that chorus that somehow Josh Allen is to blame.

2507
02:19:50,920 --> 02:19:55,120
Speaker 2: Even though in the game that they lost in the playoffs,

2508
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't his best day. He was a little bit

2509
02:19:58,400 --> 02:20:01,560
Speaker 2: erratic early, maybe a little maybe a few nerves because

2510
02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:04,440
Speaker 2: they had put so much into that game, but he

2511
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:08,360
Speaker 2: was also excellent in the second half. He was right there,

2512
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:12,120
Speaker 2: and they let him down. I think more so. But

2513
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:15,240
Speaker 2: you can barely ask a guy to do more than

2514
02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:17,200
Speaker 2: what Josh Allen does for the Bills. This is not

2515
02:20:17,360 --> 02:20:19,520
Speaker 2: me slamming him saying he can't win the big one.

2516
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:23,640
Speaker 2: Da da da da da. But this team, this Buffalo

2517
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:30,360
Speaker 2: Bills team, until they actually win something that matters. I

2518
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:33,000
Speaker 2: do not want to hear about how great they are,

2519
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:37,400
Speaker 2: because I have heard it for half a decade now.

2520
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:41,080
Speaker 2: Every year. They're the best team in the league. They're

2521
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:43,119
Speaker 2: the most dangerous team in the league. They're the ones

2522
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:45,400
Speaker 2: that you don't want to face. They're the ones that

2523
02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:48,200
Speaker 2: are best poised. They're the ones that are ready for

2524
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:50,360
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. They're going to be thrown the Chiefs.

2525
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:53,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna beat this, They're going to do this. All

2526
02:20:53,720 --> 02:20:58,080
Speaker 2: I've seen is Chiefs, Chiefs, Chiefs, Bengals. You don't they

2527
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:00,320
Speaker 2: haven't made it. The last time the Bills made the

2528
02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:04,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, the late Marv Levy was the coach. Josh

2529
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:06,959
Speaker 2: Allen probably didn't even know what the Bills were at

2530
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:15,000
Speaker 2: that point. It's been a long long time for this team.

2531
02:21:16,480 --> 02:21:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about how great they are.

2532
02:21:18,360 --> 02:21:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't want. I don't care. You can say that

2533
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:23,600
Speaker 2: they are favored to win every game, and I'm not

2534
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,760
Speaker 2: necessarily even disagreeing with you. I'm just saying I don't care.

2535
02:21:27,240 --> 02:21:30,760
Speaker 2: I don't care if they go seventeen to oh, if

2536
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:35,879
Speaker 2: they falter again in the playoffs. How many times are

2537
02:21:35,879 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 2: we going to buy a ticket to this same movie.

2538
02:21:40,879 --> 02:21:43,760
Speaker 2: They may continue to make sequels, but boy, they have

2539
02:21:43,879 --> 02:21:47,560
Speaker 2: not updated the storyline. The plot is still identical to

2540
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:52,560
Speaker 2: what he used to be. I can't listen to this anymore.

2541
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:55,800
Speaker 2: They're dominance during the regular season. I don't care. I

2542
02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:58,440
Speaker 2: don't care what Josh Allen's stats are. I don't care

2543
02:21:58,440 --> 02:22:04,120
Speaker 2: how many touchdowns or why receiver have I don't care

2544
02:22:04,120 --> 02:22:05,600
Speaker 2: about any of it. I don't care how well James

2545
02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:09,160
Speaker 2: Cook is running the football. I don't care about how

2546
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:12,440
Speaker 2: good the defense seems to look. None of it, None

2547
02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:17,200
Speaker 2: of it. There are teams where it's put up or

2548
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:21,080
Speaker 2: shut up. And even though the Bills aren't out there

2549
02:22:21,080 --> 02:22:25,279
Speaker 2: touting themselves, everyone else touting them needs to cease doing

2550
02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:29,280
Speaker 2: so until they win in the playoffs, because we are

2551
02:22:29,320 --> 02:22:32,520
Speaker 2: approaching that territory where it's just never going to happen

2552
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:34,280
Speaker 2: for this group. There are a lot of great teams

2553
02:22:34,320 --> 02:22:37,000
Speaker 2: and never won championships. This Bills team's been good for

2554
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:39,199
Speaker 2: a long time, really good for a long time, even

2555
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:42,360
Speaker 2: elite for a long time. But that eliteis hadn't even

2556
02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:45,920
Speaker 2: taken them to play in a super Bowl. As great

2557
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:47,920
Speaker 2: as that quarterback is, and he is going to walk

2558
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 2: into Canton deservedly, so the accolades about him are all legit.

2559
02:22:53,160 --> 02:22:56,720
Speaker 2: Likable guy too. It doesn't matter though, Like you can

2560
02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:58,400
Speaker 2: favor them all you want. They can have the best

2561
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:00,120
Speaker 2: odds to win the Super Bowl. They got to do.

2562
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:03,000
Speaker 2: They're going to exercise a lot of demons in fact

2563
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:07,200
Speaker 2: to do it. Oh yeah, and by the way, that

2564
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:11,520
Speaker 2: goes for YouTube Baltimore. The same stuff I just said

2565
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:15,160
Speaker 2: about the Bills applies to the Ravens and their guy

2566
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:17,440
Speaker 2: who's gonna waltz right into the Hall of Fame and

2567
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 2: deserves all the accolades and also seems to be a

2568
02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:25,920
Speaker 2: great dude in Lamar Jackson. These are two teams and

2569
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,680
Speaker 2: only one of them can actually pull this off because

2570
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:33,720
Speaker 2: one of them has to lose. But those are two

2571
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:37,840
Speaker 2: teams where it just does not compute what they do

2572
02:23:37,879 --> 02:23:41,720
Speaker 2: in the regular season. All the stats, all the wins,

2573
02:23:42,400 --> 02:23:46,240
Speaker 2: all the eye popping plays, all the jaw droppers, all

2574
02:23:46,280 --> 02:23:49,200
Speaker 2: of that stuff. That's all fine and well. That is

2575
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:53,840
Speaker 2: window dressing. That is an appetizer. Give me the protein,

2576
02:23:56,640 --> 02:24:02,440
Speaker 2: like fill our stomach with something more. You gotta finish.

2577
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:04,640
Speaker 2: We talked about it about that in the first segment

2578
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:09,280
Speaker 2: when it came to the Pacers when they had to finish.

2579
02:24:09,400 --> 02:24:12,440
Speaker 2: They finished. The Knicks choked away a seventeen point lead

2580
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:14,920
Speaker 2: in Game one, blew a nine point lead in the

2581
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:21,040
Speaker 2: last minute. They seem to have no answers when they

2582
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:27,520
Speaker 2: needed them most in the tight games. That was the

2583
02:24:27,560 --> 02:24:30,840
Speaker 2: same story for Minnesota against Oklahoma City, or at least

2584
02:24:30,879 --> 02:24:34,360
Speaker 2: the ones that had a chance late. If you can't finish,

2585
02:24:34,360 --> 02:24:38,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you do early. That applies everywhere,

2586
02:24:40,440 --> 02:24:44,400
Speaker 2: applies in racing, applies in golf. I mean, they've been

2587
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:46,000
Speaker 2: a lot of guys that have had big time leads

2588
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:50,000
Speaker 2: at Augusta have let that thing fall in the final

2589
02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:57,800
Speaker 2: five to six holes. Remember Speth and McElroy, both Greg

2590
02:24:57,800 --> 02:25:02,360
Speaker 2: Norman multiple times this has happened. They're not remembered for

2591
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:06,000
Speaker 2: the right stuff, man, they are remembered for well, the

2592
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:12,520
Speaker 2: obvious stuff. Right. Luckily, now Rory has that green jacket.

2593
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:18,200
Speaker 2: Speith has one too. But it's how you finish and

2594
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,840
Speaker 2: the bills for them to finish well, they've got to

2595
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:22,680
Speaker 2: at least make a Super Bowl this year. That's got

2596
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:25,879
Speaker 2: to be the bare minimum, the absolute minimum for the Ravens.

2597
02:25:25,959 --> 02:25:27,800
Speaker 2: They got to make a Super Bowl this year. That's

2598
02:25:27,800 --> 02:25:35,640
Speaker 2: got to be the just absolute low end. You go

2599
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,800
Speaker 2: and lose the Super Bowl, there's no real shame in that, right,

2600
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:40,400
Speaker 2: because you're going to be matching up with the best

2601
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:43,640
Speaker 2: on the other side too. But you've got to get

2602
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:49,000
Speaker 2: the job done in January. Two Hall of Famers at quarterback.

2603
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:52,199
Speaker 2: You can put the odds wherever you want. The Ravens

2604
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:55,119
Speaker 2: have been I think the athletics said that they're mock.

2605
02:25:55,360 --> 02:25:57,959
Speaker 2: Austin Macker whatever said that the Ravens should win the

2606
02:25:57,959 --> 02:26:01,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year based on his numbers, whatever that means.

2607
02:26:02,520 --> 02:26:04,360
Speaker 2: But before I can give credence to any of this,

2608
02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:08,680
Speaker 2: they're actually gonna have to do something they should be

2609
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:10,959
Speaker 2: able to and that part of it's right, right, So

2610
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:14,520
Speaker 2: they're favored in every game, and like, I understand why

2611
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:17,200
Speaker 2: you would favor them. They should be able to do it.

2612
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:19,920
Speaker 2: But it still hasn't happened yet. So what exactly changes

2613
02:26:19,959 --> 02:26:23,760
Speaker 2: that this season? What are the big roster overalls, what's

2614
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:28,680
Speaker 2: the difference, what's different exactly between now and then? So

2615
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:30,240
Speaker 2: I just look at that story. I'm just like, man,

2616
02:26:30,280 --> 02:26:33,440
Speaker 2: this is gonna get tiresome. When in November we're told

2617
02:26:33,480 --> 02:26:36,920
Speaker 2: that we're watching the un crowned champions so far in

2618
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:38,640
Speaker 2: the Bills and the Ravens, and then we get to

2619
02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:40,840
Speaker 2: January and they lose to the Chiefs, or they lose

2620
02:26:40,879 --> 02:26:44,080
Speaker 2: to the Chargers, or they lose to Cincinnati, or they

2621
02:26:44,120 --> 02:26:46,879
Speaker 2: lose to my Denver Broncos or the Texans or whatever

2622
02:26:46,920 --> 02:26:49,080
Speaker 2: it is. Like, those are two teams that can't afford

2623
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:52,400
Speaker 2: any of those things to happen. Bill's finally got to

2624
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:57,160
Speaker 2: beat the Chiefs. Baltimore's got to find its way to

2625
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,720
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. Lamar and Josh Allen, they both are

2626
02:26:59,720 --> 02:27:02,040
Speaker 2: gonna have that knock until it changes. Only one of

2627
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,560
Speaker 2: them can change it. This year, it's a possibility neither

2628
02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:06,840
Speaker 2: one do, and history would tell you neither one is

2629
02:27:06,879 --> 02:27:12,920
Speaker 2: going to, not based on their inefficiency, but just it

2630
02:27:13,080 --> 02:27:19,200
Speaker 2: just hadn't worked out. So I think I really might

2631
02:27:19,240 --> 02:27:22,440
Speaker 2: take away. I'm frustrated by the fact that there's a

2632
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:25,800
Speaker 2: lot of people telling you what's gonna happen that are

2633
02:27:25,800 --> 02:27:29,760
Speaker 2: not saying yeah. But so I guess I'm the water

2634
02:27:29,879 --> 02:27:31,560
Speaker 2: on that. If your Bills in a Ravens fan and

2635
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, just call me in January. I'm not

2636
02:27:33,800 --> 02:27:36,280
Speaker 2: saying that you're not good enough to do it. I'm

2637
02:27:36,320 --> 02:27:38,920
Speaker 2: just saying, you're gonna have to actually do it, Like

2638
02:27:39,240 --> 02:27:44,000
Speaker 2: you don't win on paper on June the first. We'll

2639
02:27:44,040 --> 02:27:46,720
Speaker 2: talk January thirty first, and by then we'll at least

2640
02:27:46,760 --> 02:27:49,920
Speaker 2: know what the super Bowl matchup is, and then we

2641
02:27:49,959 --> 02:27:55,640
Speaker 2: can have that conversation. Elections are won on election day.

2642
02:27:55,640 --> 02:28:00,000
Speaker 2: They're not one a month before when a primary happened,

2643
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:02,600
Speaker 2: or when after the convention when you get your bump,

2644
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:06,600
Speaker 2: like things happen, right, There's always the surprises. There's those

2645
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:12,560
Speaker 2: November surprises or October surprises. Gotta get it done. The

2646
02:28:12,600 --> 02:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Indy five hundred did huge numbers for Fox, biggest number

2647
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:20,120
Speaker 2: since two thousand and eight. I think it was somewhere

2648
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:22,400
Speaker 2: around eight million. But it did have me thinking of something,

2649
02:28:22,480 --> 02:28:25,879
Speaker 2: right because like all the IndyCar races, I think around

2650
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:29,360
Speaker 2: Fox this year and hopefully they're gonna be able to

2651
02:28:29,360 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 2: build on this momentum. Right, But the Indy five hundreds

2652
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:33,680
Speaker 2: is a little different. It's kind of like WrestleMania. Like

2653
02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:36,080
Speaker 2: you're not a wrestling fan, but you know what wrestle

2654
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:38,039
Speaker 2: Mania is. You're not a golf fan, but you know

2655
02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:40,680
Speaker 2: what the Masters is and you tune in. Not really

2656
02:28:40,680 --> 02:28:43,600
Speaker 2: a tennis fan, but you don't miss Wimbledon. Well that's

2657
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:45,600
Speaker 2: kind of a sort of NY five hundred, like how

2658
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:48,160
Speaker 2: many indie car drivers do you know? And how many

2659
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:51,080
Speaker 2: indie races do you watch? Outside of the Indy five hundred?

2660
02:28:53,400 --> 02:28:56,120
Speaker 2: Every sport in America though, It got me thinking about this, though,

2661
02:28:56,440 --> 02:28:58,520
Speaker 2: Every sport in America right now seems to have a

2662
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:01,920
Speaker 2: serious problem to fix, apart from the NFL. So I've

2663
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:04,959
Speaker 2: just made the decision I wanted to get into F one.

2664
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:07,120
Speaker 2: So this year I've started paying attention. I've watched the

2665
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:10,680
Speaker 2: last three races. I bought F one twenty five on

2666
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:12,800
Speaker 2: my PS five and I'm having a good time with that.

2667
02:29:12,879 --> 02:29:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm learning things, I'm reading and researching when I have

2668
02:29:15,400 --> 02:29:17,840
Speaker 2: some time to kind of learn how the sport works

2669
02:29:17,879 --> 02:29:19,879
Speaker 2: and understand its history a little more. And I'm getting

2670
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:22,280
Speaker 2: into it. I'm enjoying it, but it also has a flaw.

2671
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:28,039
Speaker 2: First off, last week at Monaco. As usual, Monico is

2672
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:32,080
Speaker 2: just basically a procession. There's almost no room, especially with

2673
02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:35,000
Speaker 2: these larger F one cars as they've grown bigger through

2674
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,959
Speaker 2: the years. There's no places to overtake, there's no places

2675
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:42,800
Speaker 2: to pass, and so everything that happens in qualifying, nothing

2676
02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:44,840
Speaker 2: changes when you get to Sunday. The top four is

2677
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:47,720
Speaker 2: still the top four. But what also? F one has

2678
02:29:47,720 --> 02:29:51,240
Speaker 2: a problem. Oscar Piastre has the poll today in the

2679
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Spanish Grand Prix and he's going to win because the

2680
02:29:54,840 --> 02:29:57,840
Speaker 2: McLaren cars are the best cars out there. Max Verstappen's

2681
02:29:57,840 --> 02:30:00,200
Speaker 2: a great racer, but the Red Bull car is not

2682
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:04,959
Speaker 2: as strong as the tech that is in these McLaren cars.

2683
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:08,279
Speaker 2: And so the top two guys in the points standings

2684
02:30:08,320 --> 02:30:11,000
Speaker 2: going towards the championship or who Well, it's Oscar Piatrice

2685
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:17,400
Speaker 2: and Piastre and Lando Norris, both teammates for McLaren NHL

2686
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:21,600
Speaker 2: second year in a row, their playoffs and their Stanley

2687
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:24,959
Speaker 2: Cup matchup. I mean, does anybody outside of those markets care?

2688
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:27,480
Speaker 2: And they can't get anybody to generate The Sport's still

2689
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:28,879
Speaker 2: a lot of fun to watch. It's not like it's

2690
02:30:28,879 --> 02:30:32,040
Speaker 2: become less fun. It's just that's a fatal flaw, and

2691
02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how you're supposed to fix it, just

2692
02:30:33,800 --> 02:30:36,760
Speaker 2: like I'm not exactly sure what you do about F one.

2693
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:39,640
Speaker 2: I do think you probably should make the car smaller

2694
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:44,320
Speaker 2: so you have more chances for things to happen NBA.

2695
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:47,880
Speaker 2: We talked about the All Star Game, we talked about

2696
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:51,240
Speaker 2: the regular season, how woefood is seemingly with all the

2697
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:56,039
Speaker 2: low management issues and various things surrounding that league WNBA.

2698
02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:57,480
Speaker 2: If they don't have Kaitlin Clark, they don't have a

2699
02:30:57,560 --> 02:31:04,440
Speaker 2: league MLB they attracting younger fans. Are some of these

2700
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:07,280
Speaker 2: disparities between big and small markets starting to really rage?

2701
02:31:07,440 --> 02:31:09,520
Speaker 2: Like does everybody have a chance or are we looking

2702
02:31:09,520 --> 02:31:12,720
Speaker 2: at Dodger Jenkees again? Are we looking at some of

2703
02:31:12,760 --> 02:31:14,400
Speaker 2: these teams that are spending a ton of money on

2704
02:31:14,440 --> 02:31:16,440
Speaker 2: payroll and we're not gonna see a lot of this

2705
02:31:16,520 --> 02:31:19,840
Speaker 2: other stuff anymore. Every sport's got this. Golf is still

2706
02:31:19,879 --> 02:31:24,400
Speaker 2: looking for the next tiger Woods. Tennis, Nadal is basically done,

2707
02:31:24,520 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Djokovic is soon to be done, Federer's already done, Murray's

2708
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:31,840
Speaker 2: already done. The Williams sisters are gone. Carlos Akaurez, he's

2709
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,560
Speaker 2: a really nice player, but I don't think that name

2710
02:31:34,600 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 2: has reached the message yet. And the women it's not

2711
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:41,000
Speaker 2: the same. Like every sport, even college football, is dealing

2712
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 2: with this, like the haves and the have nots and

2713
02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:46,360
Speaker 2: all of the things. The expansion and what's gonna happen,

2714
02:31:46,400 --> 02:31:49,000
Speaker 2: and everything being about money, to where when you watch

2715
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:51,879
Speaker 2: college football you can almost smell money and you can't

2716
02:31:51,879 --> 02:31:54,879
Speaker 2: even trick yourself into believing it's about anything else. Maybe

2717
02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:58,199
Speaker 2: it never was right. The NFL is the lone exception.

2718
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:01,840
Speaker 2: Every sport seems to have a massive issue to fix,

2719
02:32:02,480 --> 02:32:05,160
Speaker 2: except the NFL, unless we want to talk about officiating

2720
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:08,600
Speaker 2: and things like that, but that's splitting airs. The NFL.

2721
02:32:09,560 --> 02:32:11,959
Speaker 2: It's the only one in America that I couldn't have

2722
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:13,800
Speaker 2: this talk about. We could have done this for an hour,

2723
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:17,120
Speaker 2: So good for the Indy five hundred. I'm hoping this

2724
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:20,400
Speaker 2: is a good sign going forward. I'm hoping that that

2725
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:24,520
Speaker 2: race last week in the interest level, people tune in

2726
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:28,000
Speaker 2: to watch the next one, to watch Detroit, to watch

2727
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:31,400
Speaker 2: what's coming up next for them. Little skeptical, but I'm

2728
02:32:31,440 --> 02:32:33,680
Speaker 2: hopeful we're gonna come back. We got one more segment

2729
02:32:33,720 --> 02:32:36,720
Speaker 2: to go. I've teased at the entire show, I will

2730
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Speaker 2: predict the NBA Finals, and I'll predict what the most

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02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:43,560
Speaker 2: important thing happening on Thursday, June fifth is. Hint, it's

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Speaker 2: not Game one of the NBA Finals. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what it is next. I'm Jason Martin. This is Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio. Good Sunday morning to you, finishing up four

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Speaker 2: hours here on Fox Sports Radio. My name is Jason Martin.

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Speaker 2: In for Bernie Fratto tonight. Usually I'm before Bernie Tag

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02:33:00,640 --> 02:33:04,160
Speaker 2: Team and with Aaron Torres on Fox Sports Saturday. We're

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02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 2: doing Fox Sports Sunday here. I hope it's gonna be

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02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:11,320
Speaker 2: a good one for you, better than probably the Sunday

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02:33:11,320 --> 02:33:14,520
Speaker 2: for the Knicks. Season's over there. Jaymen Brown says, quote

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02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:18,240
Speaker 2: it sucks. That's how he felt about the loss. There's

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02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:22,000
Speaker 2: a rough night. Pacers were the better team, proved it

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02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:25,000
Speaker 2: throughout the course of the series, and the Knicks are

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02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:27,000
Speaker 2: gonna have to go back to the drawing board and

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02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:29,160
Speaker 2: see what they can tweak and what they can fix

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02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:35,879
Speaker 2: now we get to the NBA Finals, Thunder and Pacers. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Thunder fan. I'll say it. I've said it

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02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:39,680
Speaker 2: a couple times during the course of this show. If

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02:33:39,720 --> 02:33:41,360
Speaker 2: you listen to me on Saturdays, if you listened to

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02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:43,520
Speaker 2: me for years, and then you know that I have

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02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:48,440
Speaker 2: been for a long time. Of course, but I'm not

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02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:51,000
Speaker 2: gonna come at this from a bias perspective. In fact,

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02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:53,680
Speaker 2: I hesitate to say it at all because I have

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02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:58,520
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Indiana, and I have a

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02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:00,959
Speaker 2: ton of respect for Carlisle on the way he prepares

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02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:03,760
Speaker 2: that team. They're gonna be ready, and they're gonna try

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02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:06,800
Speaker 2: and make this thing physical. I just don't think they

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02:34:06,879 --> 02:34:12,120
Speaker 2: got enough, not in this case, not against SCA and

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02:34:12,280 --> 02:34:14,480
Speaker 2: Chet and Jamal and these guys. Like I just don't

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02:34:14,480 --> 02:34:19,879
Speaker 2: see it this year. But I kind of feel like

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02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Indiana won its title when they beat the Knicks, like

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02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:25,160
Speaker 2: that's their rival. It was a lot of emotion in

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02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:28,480
Speaker 2: that series. They want it at home, Reggie called the game.

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02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:32,600
Speaker 2: It was the last broadcast on TNT for basketball, Like

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02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:37,680
Speaker 2: it almost feels like they want it. But there's still

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02:34:37,720 --> 02:34:40,039
Speaker 2: a series to play after that, and it's against the

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02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:43,640
Speaker 2: best team in the league, the best defense in the league,

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02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:48,199
Speaker 2: the reigning MVP of the league. Indian is not gonna

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02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:50,119
Speaker 2: show up not prepared. They're not gonna show up lack

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02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:53,879
Speaker 2: a day's ago. They're just out manned an out gunned

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02:34:54,600 --> 02:35:01,000
Speaker 2: in this one. So I've got the Thunder winning their

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02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:08,240
Speaker 2: first NBA championship in five. I wanted to say six,

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02:35:08,320 --> 02:35:10,760
Speaker 2: but I really just think matchup wise in the way

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02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:15,800
Speaker 2: this plays out, just the energy expended in that PACER's

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02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:21,400
Speaker 2: next series, the emotion of that series as well. I

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02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:23,360
Speaker 2: just feel like Oklahoma City is gonna come in there.

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Speaker 2: They'll get They'll give them one, right, I don't think

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02:35:25,720 --> 02:35:28,160
Speaker 2: it will be a sweep. I think Indiana, Indiana will

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02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:31,840
Speaker 2: get one, might even get game one. I heard some

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02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:33,680
Speaker 2: an I was saying, that's the easiest one to get,

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02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:35,720
Speaker 2: and that's, you know, you can catch somebody off guard.

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02:35:36,360 --> 02:35:37,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I think they'll get game one.

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02:35:38,160 --> 02:35:39,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna get one, though. I don't think it will

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02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,800
Speaker 2: be a sweep, and I don't think that these games

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02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:47,480
Speaker 2: are gonna be just total blowouts either. But this Okahoma

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02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:51,880
Speaker 2: City team is a monster right now. They do everything

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02:35:51,959 --> 02:35:56,560
Speaker 2: well and they are led by a just beast in

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02:35:57,120 --> 02:36:03,680
Speaker 2: shake Gilge just Alexander. So the final start Thursday, June

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02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:06,920
Speaker 2: the fifth, perfect timing for the NBA. They're gonna own

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02:36:06,959 --> 02:36:09,160
Speaker 2: the news cycle that day. They're gonna own the news

2791
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,359
Speaker 2: cycle all weekend long. There's nothing else in pop culture,

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02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:16,440
Speaker 2: nothing else in entertainment that's going to be able to

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02:36:16,480 --> 02:36:19,480
Speaker 2: take them away. There there's no NFL, so it's not

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02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:23,120
Speaker 2: a Christmas situation. There's no even not even a giant

2795
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,359
Speaker 2: movie Mission Impossible has been out a couple of weeks.

2796
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Lelo and Stitch Remake if you like that sort of thing,

2797
02:36:29,080 --> 02:36:32,440
Speaker 2: has been out for a couple of weeks. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't think the ball Arena is going to be

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Speaker 2: knocking you off the list or anything like that, but

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02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:42,280
Speaker 2: so you should be rolling, right. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 2: I would say if the Nintendo Switched to wasn't launching

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02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 2: on that same day. Worldwide, the biggest newsmaker on Night

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Speaker 2: one of the NBA Finals is going to be Nintendo,

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02:36:56,600 --> 02:36:58,000
Speaker 2: and it's going to be the talk of the world

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Speaker 2: for the entire week in the following week. It's not

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Speaker 2: just the NFL that can take Christmas from you, it

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Speaker 2: is also Nintendo that can take another one of your holidays.

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Speaker 2: And while we're at it, actually Nintendo might just dominate

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Speaker 2: Christmas as well. It's probably gonna be the item this Christmas.

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02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:19,440
Speaker 2: Luckily we can have both. Right, I'm gonna pick up

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Speaker 2: my Switch too, and I'll have that thing set up

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02:37:23,640 --> 02:37:26,000
Speaker 2: and I'll probably be I don't know if I'll be

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02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:28,200
Speaker 2: playing one of the games from the original Switch or

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02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:30,359
Speaker 2: if I'll be rolling with one of the new titles

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02:37:30,920 --> 02:37:33,400
Speaker 2: while the NBA Finals are on. It's my squad and

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02:37:33,440 --> 02:37:38,160
Speaker 2: it's also my game system. So hopefully there'll be others

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02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:41,039
Speaker 2: out there like that, right, And I'll bet you Nintendo

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02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:43,160
Speaker 2: will even have switch ads during the game. But the

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02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:45,560
Speaker 2: thing that will be talked about most it's probably unless

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02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:50,160
Speaker 2: there's something of a bad variety that happens in that game.

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02:37:51,560 --> 02:37:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't think anything's not going to switch off the

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02:37:53,320 --> 02:37:56,320
Speaker 2: front page when it comes to the entertainment side. So

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02:37:56,480 --> 02:38:00,800
Speaker 2: the NBA just sometimes you just you get lucky and

2824
02:38:00,840 --> 02:38:05,800
Speaker 2: sometimes you're the NBA. NFL said we Christmas is now ours.

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02:38:05,879 --> 02:38:09,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna take it. Now, the NBA starts its NBA Finals,

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02:38:09,360 --> 02:38:10,920
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be knocked off the front

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Speaker 2: page of the entertainment section. Luckily, there's also a sports

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02:38:13,320 --> 02:38:17,039
Speaker 2: section in most newspapers, so they'll still get top billing there.

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02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:20,400
Speaker 2: But I do have thunder in five. I thought this

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02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:22,920
Speaker 2: playoffs as a whole has been good. There's been some

2831
02:38:22,959 --> 02:38:26,199
Speaker 2: good series here, There's been a lot of energy. There's

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Speaker 2: been some disappointment too, right, not just for the teams

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02:38:28,680 --> 02:38:32,920
Speaker 2: that lost, but especially like for Cleveland to come out

2834
02:38:32,920 --> 02:38:36,879
Speaker 2: there and lay that egg in the first round. Just

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02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:40,080
Speaker 2: unfortunate for them, and you hope that they're able to

2836
02:38:40,120 --> 02:38:42,480
Speaker 2: bounce back from that because that could set you back

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02:38:42,520 --> 02:38:45,560
Speaker 2: a little bit, kind of leave you shell shocked, and

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02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:47,920
Speaker 2: then again it becomes foolskull next year if they do

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02:38:47,959 --> 02:38:50,720
Speaker 2: it again, are they gonna say, well, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: And it might not, but the thunder Pacers series beginning

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02:38:55,959 --> 02:38:59,359
Speaker 2: on Thursday. Pacers earned what they got against the Knicks

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02:38:59,640 --> 02:39:03,000
Speaker 2: and Cyonara to the NBA on TNT. I hope Rob

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02:39:03,080 --> 02:39:06,000
Speaker 2: Parker's wrong, I do, but I fear that he might

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02:39:06,080 --> 02:39:09,360
Speaker 2: be right. I'll be watching next year either way to

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02:39:09,400 --> 02:39:12,120
Speaker 2: see what happens. Appreciate Bernie having me in. Bernie, We'll

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02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,039
Speaker 2: see you next week, buddy, and we'll lead you in

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02:39:14,120 --> 02:39:17,600
Speaker 2: like we usually do. Enjoy your Sunday. I'm Jason Martin.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio.