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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, October eight, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number fifty two. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star,
Speaker 1: and we got a lot, Man, we got so much
Speaker 1: to talk about today. The Cowboys lose. They are now
Speaker 1: two and three on the season. They lose a game
Speaker 1: to the Green Bay Packers that just I don't know,
Speaker 1: It just seems to be more of the same from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of how they match up against these Packers.
Speaker 1: We talked about it all last week, Dave, you and Nick.
Speaker 1: I think I can't remember who exactly started saying that
Speaker 1: God was coming to town, but I will I won't
Speaker 1: call him God, but I will say the dude is
Speaker 1: about as close to that as you would get on
Speaker 1: a football field. Um, Aaron Rodgers just I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just amazing what he does with the football, especially in
Speaker 1: crunch time. Yeah, I think that was that was Nick
Speaker 1: that coined that, and it was kind of facetious, I
Speaker 1: feel like. But uh no, Nick, facetious, I know, right,
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, I mean that's that's the night, you know.
Speaker 1: I hate to say I told you so, but that's
Speaker 1: more or less how I saw that thing playing out. Sorry,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean what else do you want? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's I'm unbelievable the things he can younger version. Yikes,
Speaker 1: that's terrifying. That's terrifying. No, you said it, right, I
Speaker 1: mean you said that. I mean they probably should be
Speaker 1: scared of him, and and they they weren't as scared
Speaker 1: as they probably should have been because they, you know,
Speaker 1: at some point in the game, they still you gotta
Speaker 1: go stop him. And that's why I don't have any
Speaker 1: really any issues with how the game kind of played
Speaker 1: out from the Cowboys. I mean, he could have done
Speaker 1: a few plays here and there, but they went out
Speaker 1: and they put it on their defense to stop the
Speaker 1: guy for a minute, and they couldn't do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just as simple as that. I don't know why
Speaker 1: it's really we shouldn't over oversimplify it. They had the game,
Speaker 1: they went out there, they were to go nine minutes
Speaker 1: with the ball eight forty three on a drive, I
Speaker 1: mean one thirteen to go. What else can you ask for?
Speaker 1: Thirty or forty more seconds? That's running, I mean running
Speaker 1: thirty or more, sorry, four seconds off the clock. It's
Speaker 1: a Monday morning, and we will get to I will
Speaker 1: say this to Get today afternoon, we're going to get
Speaker 1: We're going to get to those details, and I think
Speaker 1: they're worth discussing. Um. And I do want to give
Speaker 1: you a chance to kind of sound off, because I
Speaker 1: think you had picks all over this board. One of
Speaker 1: them obviously had to hit right. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm glad you didn't let her sweet Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not let lie that I was. I was talking
Speaker 1: to her all about it yesterday. I'm not letting this
Speaker 1: lad on this, you know. I mean, I get that
Speaker 1: people are mad at the result of this game, and
Speaker 1: so am I. But at the same time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you really surprised with the outcome of this game? Now?
Speaker 1: I was telling Nick after towards the end of the game,
Speaker 1: right after the game. I think it was. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there's some positive side to it. He's like, what kind
Speaker 1: of positive can you find out of this? Wait? Wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly not what I said. Yes, you did.
Speaker 1: You did say that. I absolutely didn't say that. We're
Speaker 1: about to do our first word and you said there's
Speaker 1: a lot of positives, and I did not say a lot.
Speaker 1: And I said, but just don't bring him up on
Speaker 1: the air because nobody wants to hear about him. I didn't. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think Derek gave me the floor to talk right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Misunderstood me with it. No, you
Speaker 1: did say that. I'm like, okay, whatever, Nick, But you know,
Speaker 1: I the the positive things. Did you say some positive
Speaker 1: things there? I did? I did, and I think I agree.
Speaker 1: I actually agree with both of you guys. I think
Speaker 1: there are some positive things. I don't think fans really
Speaker 1: care about it. Oh, I know, I know. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they still lost. What game?
Speaker 1: What positives? What are we talking about? You want to
Speaker 1: get to the positive. I think that what they did
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter offensively, I look at that and say,
Speaker 1: maybe there is a sign that this offense is can
Speaker 1: actually start to run the ball. Now, what flips that
Speaker 1: on his head is the first three quarters they couldn't
Speaker 1: run the ball for anything. So you kind of wonder
Speaker 1: which was really the truth of the matter in that game.
Speaker 1: But they certainly in the fourth quarter they got the
Speaker 1: running game going, and you would think that was a
Speaker 1: time in the game when the Packers should have been
Speaker 1: throwing everything at stopping the run, and they were able
Speaker 1: to run effectively. If the only positive I'm willing to
Speaker 1: concede from this entire game is that Dak is the dude,
Speaker 1: Like he's awesome. I'm really even you know, there's things
Speaker 1: you can criticize him for. There always are win or lose,
Speaker 1: but I'm not worried about like a sophomore slump or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to criticize him for. I thought he
Speaker 1: played phenomenally, and I also don't care because they lost,
Speaker 1: so right, Yeah, that's that's exactly what I said, is, yes,
Speaker 1: there were some things that you can point to and
Speaker 1: say I liked this particular thing about that game, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: they lost the game. That's about as much as I'm
Speaker 1: willing to concede though, like I don't. I don't care
Speaker 1: that they got the running game cranking in the fourth
Speaker 1: quart right, we all, I just said, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a more consistent offense from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: did you not? I thought it looked it was the
Speaker 1: same thing as last week. No, really, we got we
Speaker 1: got to see Jason wit and more involved would definitely,
Speaker 1: which definitely helped them. We got to see Cole basically
Speaker 1: involved two touchdowns from him. Yea, So we did see
Speaker 1: them do different things that clearly helped him. They moved
Speaker 1: the ball on and off, they struggled to run, and
Speaker 1: they found it. They had more success, arguably in the
Speaker 1: second half than the first fourth quarter, even first three.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean, I I get your point. I
Speaker 1: guess they were a little more consistent. I think the
Speaker 1: quality of the defense probably has a little bit to
Speaker 1: do with that. Um, I mean it. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: change well, it doesn't change the result. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: drastically different enough that I'm that it really made me
Speaker 1: like sit forward in my seat. You know, it didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't. It wasn't drastically different enough to where you
Speaker 1: think it means something of the future. Is that what
Speaker 1: you're kind of saying, Yes, right, all right, let's dive
Speaker 1: into some of the No, let's dive into some of
Speaker 1: the details, because I do think there were a lot
Speaker 1: of different details we need to hit in this game.
Speaker 1: And I want to start first with with the coaching decision,
Speaker 1: because I think that's something that's probably being talked about
Speaker 1: by more fans, and even Jerry talked about it after
Speaker 1: the game. You got basically, it's a minute twenty four
Speaker 1: left in the fourth quarter, Cowboys have the ball, second
Speaker 1: and one on the Green Bay eleven, and they make
Speaker 1: the decision that they want to pass on that play. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously they throw the pass. It's incompletely stops the clock.
Speaker 1: By the way, Green Bay still has a time out left.
Speaker 1: The thinking there is, if you run the ball, even
Speaker 1: if you don't get in the end zone there, you
Speaker 1: at least for screen Bay to take that final time out.
Speaker 1: Without that final time out on that last drive, it
Speaker 1: maybe changes what they're able to do. They were able
Speaker 1: to run the ball a couple of times, and one
Speaker 1: of the runs they actually needed a pretty good game.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't do that if they don't have a
Speaker 1: timeout because they don't feel like they have enough time
Speaker 1: to do it. I want to get your opinions around
Speaker 1: the table. What do you think of that coaching decision.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a big blunder for them
Speaker 1: or do you think it really didn't matter at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Let's start first with you, Nick.
Speaker 1: It mattered. It definitely mattered at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know. But at the time, I mean, you are
Speaker 1: trying to score. I mean, there's you can't get cute
Speaker 1: down there, so you have to score a touchdown one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Everyone knows that. And so you can we
Speaker 1: look back now and go, oh, the way it played out,
Speaker 1: the way Dak ran it in for you know, eleven
Speaker 1: yards or whatever. You're like, man, you sure would have
Speaker 1: liked to have thirty more seconds off the clock and
Speaker 1: their time out gone. So yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I wouldn't of throwing it on second down, there's no way.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not a high percentage pass. It's
Speaker 1: just not anymore. I mean, it's not a play. It's
Speaker 1: a high percentage just to run the ball, get the
Speaker 1: first down and do that. So yeah, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit there and crucify them because they have
Speaker 1: to score a touchdown and they scored a touchdown. So
Speaker 1: that's number one goal is to score touchdown and they did.
Speaker 1: And after what's his name dropped the ball Terrence Williams,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get to that too. That's one of those others.
Speaker 1: But after that that huge play, if anyone says, you
Speaker 1: know what, they're gonna go seventeen plays, eighty four yards,
Speaker 1: they're gonna take off nine minutes of the clock and
Speaker 1: they're gonna leave Aaron Rodgers for a minute thirteen to
Speaker 1: go win the game. It's a lot, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of time, but still but you're like, a I'll take that,
Speaker 1: and they did it. So they went and scored. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you can really fault them. They scored,
Speaker 1: all right, Amber, I mean, I agree with nick. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to get into days because it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a man here. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be heated.
Speaker 1: But I agree with nick I Again, if you see
Speaker 1: an opening, you're gonna run. You can't blame Dad. Now,
Speaker 1: I would have maybe done differently on the second down,
Speaker 1: but scoring the touchdown, and that's something that a lot
Speaker 1: of people have been talking about on Twitter and all that.
Speaker 1: Like he said after, can you guys hear me? I
Speaker 1: can't hear myself anyware. Okay, sorry, guys. Like Dak said
Speaker 1: himself in the press conference, it's like their main goal
Speaker 1: is to score a touchdown. They can't play around. That's
Speaker 1: like playing with fire. That's what he said. You can't
Speaker 1: play around and get like Nick said, cute with it.
Speaker 1: And the defense, they get paid to do their job,
Speaker 1: so you would expect this defense to be able to
Speaker 1: get the job done, even though we know what this
Speaker 1: defense is. And at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: just you just have to kind of trust them a
Speaker 1: little bit and not put everything on the offense. But
Speaker 1: the hold, I'm just saying I want to make a
Speaker 1: distinction here because I want to be clear there are
Speaker 1: two different areas here that we're talking about. I specifically
Speaker 1: was talking about the play, the decision to throw the
Speaker 1: ball on second down, and you introduced also the idea
Speaker 1: of maybe Da going down rather than scoring. I think
Speaker 1: those are two different things because one of them I
Speaker 1: think is kind of ridiculous. To even think that Dad
Speaker 1: should just go down to me is dumb because if
Speaker 1: you do that and then the next play, you get
Speaker 1: a penalty. Now you're back. Let's say you get a
Speaker 1: holding call. Go back and look at the Rams game
Speaker 1: when Frederick, they're on the goal line, gets a holding call,
Speaker 1: Like it happens. You get a holding call, you're back
Speaker 1: at the eleven, and now you're putting in jeopardy your
Speaker 1: ability to score. So I don't think that's even a question.
Speaker 1: You score when you have an opportunity to score. What
Speaker 1: I'm specifically talking about here, though, is the decision that
Speaker 1: they wanted to throw on second down. I think that's
Speaker 1: one that is debatable. So on that one, do you
Speaker 1: think that that was a big deal or not? Well,
Speaker 1: it clearly was. I mean I think Dad would have
Speaker 1: definitely helped cut down some you know, trimmed down some
Speaker 1: of that time that was left on the clock. But again,
Speaker 1: the coaching decision decisions that they make during game days,
Speaker 1: everyone can get into it and not agree, not fully
Speaker 1: agree with what they decide on there. So it's I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna start talking crap about Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: but some of their decisions, it's kind of like but
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm not in his position, so
Speaker 1: we can judge all we want from the outside, but
Speaker 1: we don't really know what's happening down there and what
Speaker 1: they're going through. Dave nik a deep breath, let's go.
Speaker 1: First of all, I would I have not and would
Speaker 1: not advocate for Dak Prescott to take a knee on
Speaker 1: an obvious touchdown run. I don't, I don't. That's not smart.
Speaker 1: Um Having said that, that was catastrophic failure of coaching
Speaker 1: decisions in the red zone in a situation like that,
Speaker 1: and one second down, yea, well, well the whole s
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But yeah, the second down throw for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you a minute twenty four left. Even if you just
Speaker 1: run the ball into the line and try to get
Speaker 1: a first down, you can take that down to forty seconds.
Speaker 1: You could presumably get them to burn their time out
Speaker 1: or not if they want to hold it. For Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: that's fine. The clock needed to be under forty seconds
Speaker 1: when you scored that touchdown if you were going to
Speaker 1: win that game. And I even I posted the tweet
Speaker 1: last night on Twitter, Aaron Rodgers said his thought process
Speaker 1: when he saw how much time was left was I'm
Speaker 1: thinking touchdown. I'm thinking we're gonna win this game. We've
Speaker 1: got the time, we've got the timeouts. Even if you
Speaker 1: take it down to forty seconds, you can probably force
Speaker 1: him to think field goal instead of touchdown, which changes
Speaker 1: everything even just again just by running the ball, and
Speaker 1: then you can still do your read option if you
Speaker 1: want to and try to score. But I don't understand
Speaker 1: why you're trying to pass right there. It's and I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. The object is to score.
Speaker 1: But you are playing the guy that we just referred
Speaker 1: to as God. And it's okay to keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: It's okay to think about that. It's okay to say
Speaker 1: I don't like this. For our defense, if we're giving
Speaker 1: this guy that much time, we have to burn more time.
Speaker 1: And Nick is right to a point that it's hard
Speaker 1: to ask for much more seventeen plays, eighty four yards,
Speaker 1: whatever it was in this situation against this guy. You
Speaker 1: got to ask for more. You got to because we
Speaker 1: have a game worth of evidence in this on this
Speaker 1: particular afternoon, not to mention a month worth of other
Speaker 1: evidence that this defense probably is not up to the task.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if that's harsh. I know you Amber said,
Speaker 1: you know you have to trust your defense at some point. Why,
Speaker 1: why would you in any circumstance want to trust these
Speaker 1: guys to stop one of the best to ever do it? Okay,
Speaker 1: Dave ever do it? And sorry, one more one more point,
Speaker 1: which is, and you know this is hindsight if you
Speaker 1: want to call it Monday morning quarterbacking. I'm oh so
Speaker 1: serious when I say I'd rather lose that game twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty four trying to manipulate the clock and score on
Speaker 1: my terms rather than put that game on the defense
Speaker 1: against that quarterback. I'm dead serious because and you can
Speaker 1: attest to this because I was standing right next to you.
Speaker 1: As soon as they scored that touchdown, I looked up
Speaker 1: at the clock and I said, yeah, they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: this game. And they did because they managed it that poorly.
Speaker 1: And it's it's not fair because that drive was a
Speaker 1: thing of beauty. And you would like to think that
Speaker 1: your defense is up to that challenge, but they're not.
Speaker 1: And you have to know that with every decision that
Speaker 1: you make down there, you have they had to win
Speaker 1: that game by bleeding that clock. You can't just hope
Speaker 1: for the best against one of the best quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: ever play. You have to know your team. You have
Speaker 1: to knowing this defense. I don't think there's anything that
Speaker 1: we've seen that suggests that this defense is going to
Speaker 1: stop him, and that speaks, in my opinion, way more
Speaker 1: to who Aaron Rodgers is as a player. Absolutely defense
Speaker 1: is not I'll be the first person to tell you
Speaker 1: that I don't think the defense is as bad as
Speaker 1: they probably get credit for. But they're not up to
Speaker 1: stopping Aaron Rodgers. It only made be three or four
Speaker 1: defenses exactly that in that scenario would stop Aaron rod
Speaker 1: You're the Seattle Seahawks by all means. Put it on
Speaker 1: your defense to get a stop, and you might be
Speaker 1: able to. But you might be able to. What have
Speaker 1: you seen from the Dallas Cowboys defense really anytime in
Speaker 1: the last five years that would give you confidence that
Speaker 1: they're going to win? That I had none, and my
Speaker 1: lack of faith was justified as it clearly turned out.
Speaker 1: So let's say the Cowboys did kill some time but
Speaker 1: failed to scar a touch. Though I can live with
Speaker 1: that easier knowing you can, you can live with it.
Speaker 1: Everyone would be pissed right now, I would. People are pissed. No, no,
Speaker 1: but hold on, but hold on. I think there's you're
Speaker 1: assuming that by throwing the ball that that's going for
Speaker 1: a touchdown, and running would mean you're not going for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I think if you run the ball, you
Speaker 1: probably are still we don't know what would have happened,
Speaker 1: right You don't, You don't, But but all I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I think that I think if you would have
Speaker 1: lost trying to run the ball after by the way
Speaker 1: in that drive and really in the fourth quarter, you'd
Speaker 1: been running the ball right through them. I think if
Speaker 1: you lost the game at that point, there would be
Speaker 1: a certainly would be upset fans, But I think this
Speaker 1: discussion would be different. The discussion would be your running
Speaker 1: game felled you at the end, it didn't do anything
Speaker 1: for the first three quarters, they got going in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and then when you needed it in crunch time,
Speaker 1: it failed you. That would be the discussion. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it would be a discussion of mismanagement. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the discussion now, is that people are
Speaker 1: saying they mismanaged that. Finally, what is the phrase? And
Speaker 1: I went back to this a lot last night, what
Speaker 1: is the phrase that Jason Garrett loves to use about
Speaker 1: his team hah, well, scratch crawl bye, say scratched. All
Speaker 1: of these things are true. He wants to put his
Speaker 1: players in the best position possible for them to succeed.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that yesterday. Whether it was his call,
Speaker 1: Scottlandhan's call, whatever, I believe. I said this. I've said
Speaker 1: this more times than I can count. The strength of
Speaker 1: this team is their offense. They're only going to be
Speaker 1: as good as their offense and specifically their running game,
Speaker 1: which did take a while to get going, but was
Speaker 1: doing everything it wanted to by the end of that game.
Speaker 1: The strength of your team is not your defense. Against
Speaker 1: a regular team, Trevor Simeon looked great against these guys.
Speaker 1: Why are you putting them out there hoping that they
Speaker 1: can make it work against what I think is the
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFL right now. That's not putting
Speaker 1: them in a position to succeed. That's putting them in
Speaker 1: a position to fail. And I get your point, and
Speaker 1: hindsight is always twenty twenty, but I would rather take
Speaker 1: my chances putting it on the strength of the team,
Speaker 1: the unit that's going to be the reason why the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are successful, rather than asking the defense to pick
Speaker 1: up the slack. Okay, well, then if that's really true,
Speaker 1: then this is a huge problem that goes a lot
Speaker 1: deeper than this, because if your defense can't go and
Speaker 1: do it in a minute ago, Jason Garrett should not
Speaker 1: be faulted for putting given his team the lead with
Speaker 1: a minute thirteen to go, if the defense is not
Speaker 1: capable of doing it, then you've got the wrong coordinator,
Speaker 1: you've got the wrong personnel, you've got the wrong GM
Speaker 1: or putting, you know, putting the players out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: what how many guys have to score touchdowns in the
Speaker 1: AFC to think, all right, why are we've got why
Speaker 1: do we have these players on the field if they
Speaker 1: can't stop them for a minute thirteen? That is a
Speaker 1: valid argument. It's a completely valid argument. It's a different
Speaker 1: conversation though, because once you're inside the lines of this
Speaker 1: game and you know what you're dealing with, well, and
Speaker 1: let me let me back up to let me let
Speaker 1: me just to clarify here, they don't need a different GM.
Speaker 1: They got a GM. Let's let's make sure we say
Speaker 1: that the right way. But the decisions that they you know,
Speaker 1: we can talk about that later on because you know, look,
Speaker 1: at the inactive yesterday, and you can realize that they
Speaker 1: they've made some pretty bad decisions back in March. But
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that at another time. But I just
Speaker 1: think that one of those details. Yeah, you've you've got
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you on second down. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like to throw. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't like the throw. Then I didn't like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I saw it all stems back to that, though. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing dak for not going down on the
Speaker 1: obvious touchdown right and joy that whole drive. You can
Speaker 1: say what you want about whatever went wrong, but there
Speaker 1: was only one play, in my opinion, that was a problem.
Speaker 1: That was a decision to throw the ball, and that
Speaker 1: decision I think changed the complexion of that game because
Speaker 1: it would have taken some time off the clock. It
Speaker 1: would have probably taken their last time out, and that
Speaker 1: changes what Aaron Rodgers would have been able to do.
Speaker 1: It's quite possible Aaron Rodgers still could have driven the
Speaker 1: field one hundred or down because that's Aaron Rodgers, or
Speaker 1: kicked the field right. But the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is you had to give your your I agree with
Speaker 1: you Dave. They had to give their team the best
Speaker 1: chance to win, and giving them the best chance to
Speaker 1: win mint taking it as taking that clock as far
Speaker 1: down as they possibly could. And to me, that's about
Speaker 1: not throwing that pass on second and one. It's it's grading,
Speaker 1: it's graading on a curve, playing and simple and ideally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your defense should be able to stop Aaron. You hope,
Speaker 1: so you would hope your defense with a minute and
Speaker 1: fourteen can do the job. But I knew that they couldn't.
Speaker 1: And I would argue seventy five percent of the people
Speaker 1: in the building saw that coming. It doesn't take a
Speaker 1: rocket scientist to think, oh, man, one, fourteen and a
Speaker 1: time out, Aaron Rodgers, that's trouble. Who's that twelve? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's that number twelve? Guy? He's pretty good. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So if I am just a you know, a slappy
Speaker 1: who stopped playing football in grade school, and I can
Speaker 1: figure that out, I'm I just it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: It was really good, and that's the unfair thing. It
Speaker 1: was really good, but it wasn't good enough from a
Speaker 1: play calling or an offensive standpoint, whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we still do need to talk about the offense we take.
Speaker 1: We will talk about Dak's today, we'll talk about Zeke.
Speaker 1: We need to talk a little bit about Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: and what's going on with him and maybe how his
Speaker 1: play yesterday affected this outcome. We'll do that when we
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Speaker 1: All right, we're talking about the cowboys lost yesterday. They
Speaker 1: lose thirty five to thirty one to the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Panel got it there. Now they are now two and three,
Speaker 1: sitting in a third place in the division, the only
Speaker 1: team that they're better than right now from from one
Speaker 1: lost record of the OD five New York Giants. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about all that tomorrow. Right now, we're dissecting this
Speaker 1: game and uh and everything that went wrong for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys yesterday too. Again, what TiO going to the Giants?
Speaker 1: I don't know. They got some issues. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that tomorrow. But but the Cowboys have issues of
Speaker 1: their owns. Let's talk about the offense though, And I
Speaker 1: do think Dave, going back to what we were talking
Speaker 1: about in that first segment, I think Umber kind of
Speaker 1: started it off. I do think there were some positive things.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Dak Prescott. He was twenty five or
Speaker 1: thirty six yesterday, sixty nine percent completion percentage, which is
Speaker 1: much closer to what we saw him do last year.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty one yards, three touchdowns, one pick,
Speaker 1: But that one pick I don't think was his fault.
Speaker 1: He could put the ball where he needed to put it.
Speaker 1: One hundred and five quarterback rating all in all, I
Speaker 1: think it was a really good day for him, and
Speaker 1: but for that last drive by Aaron Rodgers, today Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott would be the talk of the town. Everybody would
Speaker 1: be saying how great of a game he played, But
Speaker 1: because it wasn't enough for a win, the talk of
Speaker 1: the town is Aaron Rodgers. He played like an absolute
Speaker 1: beast man. Jerry Jones actually said after the game he
Speaker 1: thought it might have been his best game of his career.
Speaker 1: And there's certainly a few that you could point to
Speaker 1: and argue, but like, it's certainly up there. You were
Speaker 1: being nice. That was not his fault at all. That
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was a bad play by Terrence Williams.
Speaker 1: That is not on Dak Prescott. He evaded pressure. He did.
Speaker 1: He did some more magician stuff. Whether it was rod Smith,
Speaker 1: whether it was Bryce Butler. He got, as Amber said,
Speaker 1: he got Beasley and Witten involved after a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks where they were struggling to be part of the offense.
Speaker 1: He found he freaking. He found Keith Smith on a
Speaker 1: third and one just he was lights out, And uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's a testament to it's on the NFL's unfair.
Speaker 1: You can play that great and not get the win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if the defense could make one play out
Speaker 1: there and get off the field and win the game,
Speaker 1: he's your best quarterback of the day. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking with one thirteen to go. But
Speaker 1: then I was like, well, you know, they could all
Speaker 1: change here if he go drives down and scores. But
Speaker 1: I mean he was. I mean not not that Rogers
Speaker 1: was playing poorly before that, just he would have outplayed him.
Speaker 1: But it's actually it's and Green Bay ran the ball
Speaker 1: way better than I ever would have thought that would
Speaker 1: That was atrocious, But rookie's pretty good. Well yeah, they
Speaker 1: made him look good. Baron Jones um Rogers through for
Speaker 1: what like two twenty or something like that, Like it's
Speaker 1: he was not a typical Rogers day, but as soon
Speaker 1: as he needed to he twenty one. Yeah, that means
Speaker 1: he was sitting at like what one sixty one he
Speaker 1: won seventy five he did not. It was not a
Speaker 1: big throwing day for him, but every time he needed
Speaker 1: it, it it was just like and three touchdowns. So I
Speaker 1: mean when it when it counted, he making the throws
Speaker 1: that need to be made, you know, yep, But I
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the running game. The running game took
Speaker 1: some time to get going, but I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think the second the first and second quarter against
Speaker 1: the Rams was kind of like, well, this is what
Speaker 1: the Dallas offense is supposed to be that, even though
Speaker 1: it ended forty seconds too soon, that fourth quarter drive
Speaker 1: was what you want the Cowboys to be. Shorten the game, methodical,
Speaker 1: not really looking for big plays. You're just finding the
Speaker 1: open man, moving the chains, gashing him with the run.
Speaker 1: It's it's impressive to watch when it's clicking. Yep. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about and one other thing I will point out
Speaker 1: that I liked about his game, and really the game
Speaker 1: he's had the last couple of weeks. He's starting to
Speaker 1: find good opportunities to run. Yesterday had four rushes for
Speaker 1: thirty seven yards and the touchdown there for the go ahead.
Speaker 1: And it's I think when he is when he's using
Speaker 1: his legs, and we've talked about this the last several weeks,
Speaker 1: when he's using his legs, and that doesn't mean running regularly,
Speaker 1: it means finding those moments in the game when the
Speaker 1: team needs it and when defenses have basically left the
Speaker 1: field wide open for him to be able to make
Speaker 1: a play. Using his legs in those moments makes a
Speaker 1: big difference for this team. We saw the same thing
Speaker 1: on the reverse side yesterday for Rogers. Rogers only ran
Speaker 1: four times for thirty two yards, but they were thirty
Speaker 1: two major yards for them. And that's where I think
Speaker 1: quarterbacks can add something to their team, is just knowing
Speaker 1: that right moment to use their legs and letting that
Speaker 1: help their team move the ball. Not to mention, I
Speaker 1: think the play action and the boot, you know, that
Speaker 1: worked about as well as it has all year for him.
Speaker 1: Yesterday he found witting on a couple of those where
Speaker 1: you know, the action before the play gets the tight
Speaker 1: end or the receiver moving in space before the play
Speaker 1: even really gets going, and just looked like he had
Speaker 1: more time on those throws than he has for most
Speaker 1: of the season. Let's talk about Ezekiel Elliott yesterday on
Speaker 1: the first here was the interesting part. In the first
Speaker 1: three quarters of the game, he had sixteen carries for
Speaker 1: thirty one yards, had an average of one point nine
Speaker 1: yards per Carrie Nick, I remember I told you, like
Speaker 1: right when we were in the fourth quarter, I told you,
Speaker 1: did you realize these stats? And we both were amazed
Speaker 1: because it didn't seem like his average was that low.
Speaker 1: I know he hadn't broken the big one, but it
Speaker 1: didn't seem like his average was that low. And then
Speaker 1: I think it was a play or two after that,
Speaker 1: here's the twenty five yard and that's when they got
Speaker 1: the running game going. In the fourth quarter, he had
Speaker 1: thirteen carries for eighty five yards. That's one quarter of
Speaker 1: work eighty five yards six point five average, which you
Speaker 1: think is more likely to be what we're seeing in
Speaker 1: the future. Do you accept the fact that in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter they finally found it and now you expect
Speaker 1: that to continue, or do you think that what you
Speaker 1: saw the first three quarters indicates the Cowboys are still
Speaker 1: having some significant issues when it comes to being able
Speaker 1: to sustain the running game. Well, I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of both. First of all, you've got to
Speaker 1: stay in the game and long enough so you could
Speaker 1: run the ball in the fourth quarter. And so typically
Speaker 1: if you've got thirty nine yards going into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be in a position where you
Speaker 1: can keep running it. But that's just kind of the
Speaker 1: way the game unfolded. And I think it was just
Speaker 1: a case of them leaning on him, leaning on him.
Speaker 1: I don't think they figured it out as much as
Speaker 1: it is they they they just kind of kept kept
Speaker 1: it going, kept the grind, and he was able to
Speaker 1: really turn out some some tough yards. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was some really tough running, um you know, and it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that they lost it, but it had they won
Speaker 1: the game. You know, first of all, Skycam would get
Speaker 1: a game ball and and Corey Miller running the board
Speaker 1: up there it gets you know, and the fact that
Speaker 1: he was able to throw it out there, I mean
Speaker 1: that that was a really great play. And also it's
Speaker 1: it's one thing to do it on the goal line
Speaker 1: because once you put it in a touchdown, but to
Speaker 1: do it on fourth and in inches like that, you
Speaker 1: could get the first down and it gets knocked down,
Speaker 1: right and it gets down, Yeah, it gets knocked out.
Speaker 1: So you got to have the armstring to do that,
Speaker 1: and the just the vision and and awareness of and
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great play that he did that.
Speaker 1: But and he even said after the game, he's like
Speaker 1: I usually do they say, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I think that may have been the only time in
Speaker 1: my career that I've ever done something like that. But
Speaker 1: he said, I had to get the first down and
Speaker 1: that was my way to get the first down. Awareness
Speaker 1: on his part. Another twenty one running back did that
Speaker 1: and he got cut for it. Yeah, and other things
Speaker 1: that was let's say, I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: it was just that it was. I was just gotten
Speaker 1: to start and talking to If it would have been Randall,
Speaker 1: I might have gone. I might have gone the rest
Speaker 1: of my life without ever thinking about that again. But yeah,
Speaker 1: still think you do well, not not just not Joseph Randall,
Speaker 1: but Joseph Randall's like pension for sticking the ball out
Speaker 1: like that. It wasn't what you remember out of him.
Speaker 1: Not really, No, I remember a lot of other stuff. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's three time Tuesday, I mean is that Yeah, we
Speaker 1: can talk about old Joe. Okay, I think everyone could
Speaker 1: have a story about his departments of gee. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with Nick. I mean, I'm starting to think
Speaker 1: they are what they are. Which it's it's again for
Speaker 1: the second week in a row. I'm flabbergasted that I'm
Speaker 1: not impressed by the running game because they ran for
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty yards, but you know they have
Speaker 1: it in them to do it. And they can do
Speaker 1: it consistently at times, but I just I don't know
Speaker 1: that they can do it at will the way they
Speaker 1: did last year. I mean, I think somebody put it
Speaker 1: out toward the beginning of the game last night that
Speaker 1: last last week or last year they were averaging five
Speaker 1: point five yards per carry on first down or something
Speaker 1: like that, and this year it's more like two and
Speaker 1: a half three. And yeah, like Nick said, they were
Speaker 1: still in the game, so they were in a position
Speaker 1: to run the ball in the fourth quarter. And that's great.
Speaker 1: But typically if your offense is built around the run
Speaker 1: and you can't run the ball successfully for the first
Speaker 1: three quarters, that's going to spell trouble for you in
Speaker 1: a lot of games. So it's it's definitely it's not
Speaker 1: bad by any stretch of the imagination, but it still
Speaker 1: has to be a concern, I think. So transitioning to
Speaker 1: the next topic you want to talk about, Actually, I'm
Speaker 1: just seeing the play on TV here. They showed the
Speaker 1: interception by Dak and the ball basically hitting Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: hands and bouncing off and then it's intercepted for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: What would you like to say about that? Well, I'll
Speaker 1: make the I'll make that point. The last one I was.
Speaker 1: I was thinking just now that how weird football can
Speaker 1: be sometimes. I mean, in a game like this when
Speaker 1: when you think about, you know, one of their best,
Speaker 1: you know, offensive lineman is Travis Frederick, and two weeks
Speaker 1: in a row he's had a holding penalty done of
Speaker 1: this last one didn't really affect the outcome. They were
Speaker 1: still bit able to go. But still you're not expecting
Speaker 1: him to do those things. He's one of your best
Speaker 1: line minutes. From a technique standpoint, he gets none of
Speaker 1: the primty Jordan Lewis. He's your best cornerback on the
Speaker 1: field right now. In my opinion, I don't care about
Speaker 1: the veteran. He is the best cornerback playing right now.
Speaker 1: He gives up the game winner. It seems a little
Speaker 1: bit unfair of that. It's also unfair the seventeen plays
Speaker 1: for eighty four yards is not enough. It's not long enough,
Speaker 1: you know, and you didn't take up enough time. It's
Speaker 1: also weird that the guy that's getting a body catcher
Speaker 1: drops a pass another one, and this one he's trying
Speaker 1: to catch with his hands. I mean, he can't do
Speaker 1: it right. So we can talk about Terrence. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that pass was a little bit behind him, but the
Speaker 1: past sometimes that's how the ball is supposed to be
Speaker 1: because if it's in front of him, then he gets
Speaker 1: helmet to the face, so it's supposed to turn his
Speaker 1: body that way, and he drops it and just plays
Speaker 1: volleyball with it. It's two weeks in a row now,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I think he could have made
Speaker 1: it more of a play on the deep ball to
Speaker 1: on that on that free play. Yeah, he's just it's
Speaker 1: just like just kind of waited for it to It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I want it here, I want it here for a touchdown. Okay,
Speaker 1: it doesn't always go like that stop turn, especially if
Speaker 1: you slow down and you get run into. That's a
Speaker 1: pass interference every time. But he just I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. He's just not playing with confidence right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on. He didn't talk after
Speaker 1: the game in this question on Twitter in regards to
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams, would you guys have wanted the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: not spend on money in free agency and spend it
Speaker 1: on Burry Church instead of him? Remind me of his
Speaker 1: contract because I don't remember it's a one year deal.
Speaker 1: It's not a big money no, no no, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: thinking of Bryce Butler. No Scott four seventeen point five
Speaker 1: with nine point five guaranteed over the first two. I
Speaker 1: think what what happened there is Terrence Williams, his agent.
Speaker 1: They thought he was going to get a lot more
Speaker 1: more than this, and the Cowboys kind of thought that too.
Speaker 1: I think that they thought that just looking at the
Speaker 1: market value. The others all spring telling fans that he
Speaker 1: was probably gone. They thought it was in a range
Speaker 1: of six to seven and four for seventeen. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a little over four. So they looked at it
Speaker 1: as a bargain. I said at the time, I would
Speaker 1: have taken Tarrell Prior's eight million one year eight million.
Speaker 1: I mean you could if you signed him a little
Speaker 1: bit more than one year, you wouldn't have been eight million.
Speaker 1: You could get Arl Prior in the five to six range.
Speaker 1: I would must jeff forget au Shan Jeffery. You know. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was on like a one year I remember it
Speaker 1: was a short term deal. Wasn't doing a lot? Not fourteen?
Speaker 1: Is it? I want to say one for ten, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Off the top of my head, one
Speaker 1: for nine to five days. Do you think that? Do
Speaker 1: you think that was a bad decision, even though even
Speaker 1: though the number ended up being much smaller than most
Speaker 1: people thought it was going to be. For Terrence william
Speaker 1: do you think it was a decision? I mean, I
Speaker 1: you think it was a bad decision to resign him
Speaker 1: for that much money? Yeah. What I and I've said
Speaker 1: this thousand times, what I don't like about Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: is the combination with him and Deaz. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Terrence can be a good receiver for other teams
Speaker 1: other with with another number one a little bit more dynamic.
Speaker 1: I think pairing him up with a guy like Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, that type of guy. I like him there.
Speaker 1: But him and Daz, you know, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: missing a lot of speed, and so I don't like
Speaker 1: those two combination. For that reason, I probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it. But I will say, to the point of
Speaker 1: the question, Barry Church signed a deal big enough in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville that I don't know that not signing Terrence would
Speaker 1: have would have given you the funds to keep him
Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth. Yeah, I said all along that
Speaker 1: I would have been perfectly fine, amicably parting ways with
Speaker 1: him and addressing that position in the draft. They didn't.
Speaker 1: And the thing. The other thing is you don't have
Speaker 1: to keep him through the four years of his deal,
Speaker 1: but the way it's structured probably means he's here through
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. So that's a that's a bed that they made,
Speaker 1: at least in the short term, for better or for worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's tough because you got Bryce who I mean,
Speaker 1: he's kind of he's a similar kind of player. He
Speaker 1: can be good at times, but Bryce can have his
Speaker 1: moments when he's inconsistent. I think that's the issue with Terrence.
Speaker 1: Terrence can be good at times, but he's not consistent enough.
Speaker 1: He has too many moments when it's like he should
Speaker 1: have made that catch and he doesn't. And and so
Speaker 1: you've got two of those guys. One of him is
Speaker 1: on a four year deal, one's on a one your deal.
Speaker 1: And you probably ought to be, like you said, Dave,
Speaker 1: you probably ought to be looking into draft to see
Speaker 1: if you can get younger at that position. Maybe Noah
Speaker 1: Brown steps up to become that guy for them. Well,
Speaker 1: let's not you know, forget they gotta They got decisions
Speaker 1: to make at the at the big spot too. With Dez.
Speaker 1: I mean DZ is supposed to get about twelve and
Speaker 1: a half million next year, so I mean that will
Speaker 1: be talked about at the end of this season, if
Speaker 1: not before that, about what they do at receiver. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're gonna. I mean, you can try to
Speaker 1: restructure if you want to, but that's only making in
Speaker 1: situation worse. So I mean they'll they'll have a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions to make it receiver. And like Dave said,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Terrence Williams really will be one
Speaker 1: of them this year. I will say that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think people on Twitter argue for for Bryce to
Speaker 1: cut into Terrence's reps, you know, I mean, maybe give
Speaker 1: him a bump. I'd still be surprised to see if
Speaker 1: that happens. You know. Garrett's more of the positive reinforcement
Speaker 1: type of guy. He'll tell you that Terrence does a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff off the ball, like block and all
Speaker 1: those good types of things. They're big fan block. I
Speaker 1: just remember the long run by Zeke. That's that's definitely
Speaker 1: it's definitely not lip service like he does. Bring those
Speaker 1: elements to the game. But I mean he's he's good
Speaker 1: for a bone headed mistake like that about once per game,
Speaker 1: or well maybe once every other game. I mean it
Speaker 1: happens with some regularity to the point where you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try as hard as
Speaker 1: I might have at one point to defend him to fans,
Speaker 1: because the you know, your resume is laid out for
Speaker 1: you right there. I was, you know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that last night, like even going back to like
Speaker 1: his rookie year. I remember in San Diego, I think
Speaker 1: he tried to stretch to turn a play into a
Speaker 1: touchdown and it fumbled. It. Uh, the resume is lengthy
Speaker 1: at this point, but I would still be surprised, knowing
Speaker 1: this coaching staff, to see them do anything drastic. I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're second, third receiver. You know they're both
Speaker 1: out there, you need them both. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: I think Rice does kind of cut into terrences just reps.
Speaker 1: I mean you see him a lot in two receiver
Speaker 1: routes with Dez and that he's the option out there.
Speaker 1: So I think I think it's healthy, I mean a
Speaker 1: healthy rotation there. I don't know the Switzer was providing
Speaker 1: anything for you right at a They did receiver, They
Speaker 1: did do a couple of they did a couple of
Speaker 1: ten personnel looks with Beasley and Switzer on the field
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yesterday. Nothing really came out of it,
Speaker 1: but kind of got me and a couple of times
Speaker 1: and they had to tight end off the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, And that was kind of surprising me.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a running back or tight end on
Speaker 1: the field. Was all receivers. And I hadn't seen them
Speaker 1: do that before because primarily because I didn't think that
Speaker 1: they would take eighty two off the field. But they
Speaker 1: bet it was time with that. I bet it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little tired, I need to come off the field.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: our final break when we come back. We still do
Speaker 1: have a couple of small things we need to hit
Speaker 1: from that game, one of them being Nolan Carroll and
Speaker 1: the fact that he was inactive yesterday and Cowboys are
Speaker 1: looking at their cornerback situation. And I'll have the question
Speaker 1: for you, guys, do you think that was a wise
Speaker 1: decision or does this just speak to the fact that
Speaker 1: they made a bad decision during the offseason. We'll do
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Speaker 1: lose yesterday Lucid the Green Bay Packers thirty five thirty one.
Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of different topics on this game.
Speaker 1: One other thing I did want to talk about. Nolan
Speaker 1: Carroll yesterday was inactive for the game. He has been
Speaker 1: out ever since he had the concussion, but there was
Speaker 1: I think most of us agreed that he was healthy
Speaker 1: enough to play yesterday. Now, again, this is all with
Speaker 1: the caveat. We don't know that because there could be
Speaker 1: the possibility that the team still has not gotten a
Speaker 1: clearance for him. They won't. They haven't said that one
Speaker 1: way or the other. I don't think you guys may
Speaker 1: have heard something different. So I asked. I asked Garrett
Speaker 1: what carroll situation was, and he said he practice all week.
Speaker 1: And I specifically said, so he's out of the concussion
Speaker 1: protocol and he said, well, he's practiced fully all week.
Speaker 1: He just repeated him, So he didn't really say yes
Speaker 1: or No, did anyone ask was he cleared to play? Well?
Speaker 1: I didn't get I didn't get down there in time
Speaker 1: to talk to Garrett at all last night. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones talked for a half hour or so so
Speaker 1: about what stuff? I don't think so. And like I
Speaker 1: said last night, I'm reluctant. I'm reluctant to classify somebody
Speaker 1: as healthy when a head injury is involved. But he
Speaker 1: practiced full three days in a row, so it certainly
Speaker 1: looks like he was a healthy scratch. I mean that's
Speaker 1: the appearance. And until we hear more as far as
Speaker 1: whether he has actually been clear to play or not,
Speaker 1: we can't say that for sure. Yeah, and I guess that.
Speaker 1: But that leads back to the question, assuming that he
Speaker 1: was healthy enough to play and he was inactive, does
Speaker 1: this signal something bigger about what the Cowboys think of him,
Speaker 1: about what the Cowboys think of their rookies? I mean
Speaker 1: at this point with Cheeto Bay, I mean, he gets
Speaker 1: another hamstring injury in that game, So it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like they certainly can can can afford to not have
Speaker 1: Carol because they don't know what they're gonna get from Cheetah,
Speaker 1: from week to week. If Cheeto had played four quarters
Speaker 1: and with six tackles and was completely healthy, then I'd
Speaker 1: be way more willing to entertain this conversation. I see
Speaker 1: where you're trying to take it, But what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with Nolan Carroll if one of your rookies
Speaker 1: that you're leaning on can't stay on the field. Be clear,
Speaker 1: it's Cheetah. That's the one way, yes, because the other
Speaker 1: one's on the field all the time, and he's playing
Speaker 1: quite well balling out. I don't even like Nicks. I
Speaker 1: don't even care that he gave up the game losing
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, he broke up the play just
Speaker 1: before that. They went right back to it, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure Rodgers like this rookie. I'm gonna I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: this rookie a little bit. If you're if you're not
Speaker 1: impressed by what Jordan Lewis has done to the point,
Speaker 1: I think you're dumb. He's playing really good football, guid Nick,
Speaker 1: Can I get the just the first four letters of Carroll? Like?
Speaker 1: Can I just have that hat? How do you come up?
Speaker 1: I want it? I don't want the last three. That's
Speaker 1: who I want it. I don't want Brendan Carr. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't iron horse, that's who I mean, we we all,
Speaker 1: I think all of us agreed at the time that
Speaker 1: if you were going to keep one guy from this
Speaker 1: secondary coming into this year, that you keep I mean
Speaker 1: I I I'm actually gonna have to change my tune
Speaker 1: on that, because, if I remember correctly, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like I think I was just more with the
Speaker 1: relax on the fans going nuts on losing some of
Speaker 1: these guys, especially Brandon Carr, which is ironic because everyone
Speaker 1: hated this guy till he leaves, you know, and so
Speaker 1: I kind of thought, well, let's you know, let's wait
Speaker 1: and see, you know, how it goes. But um, it's
Speaker 1: not gone well. And Carl cars getting interceptions and what
Speaker 1: he got two interceptions too, Yeah, unless he got one
Speaker 1: yesterday and he still plays games. I mean that's kind
Speaker 1: of what he does. So, I mean, when you think
Speaker 1: about what you've done by signing Nolan Carroll, since since
Speaker 1: you signed him, he has had a d WI. He
Speaker 1: has played pretty bad. At training camp. He played okay
Speaker 1: against the Giants receiver core that didn't have Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: then he played pretty bad against Denver before he got
Speaker 1: knocked out of the game, this two or three game
Speaker 1: then comes back and they feel like Ben a been
Speaker 1: wickery and Cheeto and his hamstring and issues are still
Speaker 1: better than to have him on the field. So what
Speaker 1: we're doing here hadn't been a good start as a cowboy, hasn't.
Speaker 1: Not no, not ideal, not ideal. But there's no recourse,
Speaker 1: as you were saying, like, right now you look at
Speaker 1: this and you're like, we we can't trust that Cheeto
Speaker 1: is going to be healthy. This hamstring has been consistently
Speaker 1: a consistent problem for him. And I'm gonna sound like
Speaker 1: Brian brought us for a second, and I apologize, but
Speaker 1: I think apologize the front office wanted these rookies to
Speaker 1: push him out of a job at training camp, and
Speaker 1: injuries kept that from happening. And like I said, I mean,
Speaker 1: we could sit here and have this big hypothetical conversation
Speaker 1: about whether no One Carroll's worth a roster spot if
Speaker 1: everybody was healthy and you could trust that you had
Speaker 1: enough cornerbacks to get through a game, But right now
Speaker 1: you don't. And to go back to Nick's next point
Speaker 1: from a couple of weeks ago, the more of this
Speaker 1: keeps happening with Cheeto, the more I'm just like, you
Speaker 1: just give this guy some time, stop trying to stop
Speaker 1: trying to nurse it back, you know, and get him
Speaker 1: out there as quickly as possible, and just give him
Speaker 1: the time he needs to recover, because he's already behind
Speaker 1: the eight ball as it is. He missed the second
Speaker 1: half of training camp. He's played in, He's played in
Speaker 1: five quarters of football maybe, I mean the full Giants
Speaker 1: game got hurt on the second and last play of
Speaker 1: the game, was out by midway through the second quarter
Speaker 1: of the Denver game. And I mean how many plays
Speaker 1: was he in against against the Packers, like, I think
Speaker 1: probably the second quarter. I mean, it hasn't been a
Speaker 1: lengthy rookie season for him by any stretch, yea. And
Speaker 1: I mean at this point they do it. It's clear.
Speaker 1: I think they have three cornerbacks that are better than
Speaker 1: Nolan Carroll. So if you if you can get Cheeto
Speaker 1: back and you feel I've been Wickerrea is okay, He's
Speaker 1: a guy. It gives you some depth. Then it does
Speaker 1: create a situation where it's like, how do you fit
Speaker 1: Carroll in? I think those other three guys, those top
Speaker 1: three guys I think are clearly better than Carol. Don't
Speaker 1: sell my guy Xavier Woods short either. He looked He'll
Speaker 1: drop down a nickel back to right exactly. So you've
Speaker 1: got options, I guess, is the point. But that does
Speaker 1: get to do they make a bad decision or did
Speaker 1: they actually did it actually play out the way that
Speaker 1: they wanted to play out. He was a bridge guy,
Speaker 1: like you said, they wanted the rookies to take push
Speaker 1: him out of a job, And it seems like, at
Speaker 1: least in the case of Jordan Lewis and Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: they have you could I mean, you could certainly argue
Speaker 1: that you made a bad decision in the sense that
Speaker 1: a guy that you gave ten million dollars to is
Speaker 1: is having the season that he's having. But again, I
Speaker 1: mean you go back to that, and it's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: they needed a body, they needed a guy with some
Speaker 1: experience whatsoever, and it's certainly not somebody that they're married
Speaker 1: to having as a key component of their defense. So
Speaker 1: I just look at it as whatever. I you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't overreact to the signing when it happened, and
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not overreacting the fact that he's not having
Speaker 1: a good year right now because the long term plan
Speaker 1: was for the rookies to be the guys anyway, So
Speaker 1: it certainly hasn't even lived up to whatever modest expectations
Speaker 1: you could have had. But I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: end of the world. All right, Let's get to some questions.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with a question from Twitter. With the bye
Speaker 1: week up on us, are we going to see a
Speaker 1: change in the secondary workout some free agents? Do you
Speaker 1: guys see them? I wouldn't be surprised. No, I definitely
Speaker 1: would expect them to bring in some guys just for workouts.
Speaker 1: But that just because they have the ability to do that,
Speaker 1: that doesn't always mean that you sign them. You just
Speaker 1: want to see who's out there out there. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a favor to the agent too, because once you put
Speaker 1: you know, once you put a workout out there, it
Speaker 1: goes through the whole wire. So his name goes out.
Speaker 1: They'll do that. But who Okay, no one carell We
Speaker 1: just talked about him, But like, whose job are you
Speaker 1: trying to take away in the secondary? Again, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a matter of taking jobs away as much
Speaker 1: as it is seeing what's out there in the event
Speaker 1: you sustain more injury Cheeto, and right now, the cornerback
Speaker 1: position has been a position where you've had a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries so far. I think you would be smart
Speaker 1: to probably do some some reconnaissance on the offensive on
Speaker 1: offensive linemen that are out there. You know your tackle
Speaker 1: has a back problem. You know that you've had injuries
Speaker 1: with Chaz Green and probably will continue to have injuries
Speaker 1: with Chaz Green. So you know, just looking to see
Speaker 1: what's out there in the event you get into the
Speaker 1: second half of the year and you start getting some
Speaker 1: injuries at some of these positions that make it to
Speaker 1: where you need to bring in a guy. If you
Speaker 1: had four more games at the end of the season
Speaker 1: for Cheetoh, if he got to play four games at
Speaker 1: the end, would you think that that would be enough
Speaker 1: so we would go into his second year and go, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got some good experience under his belt. Because but
Speaker 1: are you saying so that you'll have enough to cut
Speaker 1: n Carol? Is that I'm not talking about Carol. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about trying to talking about IR. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: fix this problem. I got this hamstring problem. But I
Speaker 1: don't really want to want to just kill his rookie
Speaker 1: season either. Um, so I think if you think a
Speaker 1: month would be plenty, yeah, I mean him down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two ways to look at it. You can say,
Speaker 1: you know, let's put him on IR. That's seven games
Speaker 1: because you get the buy a week. You put him
Speaker 1: on IR, now eight weeks to return, you're gonna miss
Speaker 1: seven games. But you're having a cornerback inactive every week anyway,
Speaker 1: So why not just be him and then if he
Speaker 1: can come back in a month or so I was
Speaker 1: gonna I don't think you need to put him on
Speaker 1: I make him inactive. Well you got I mean, they
Speaker 1: have two weeks until they need they play another game,
Speaker 1: and then you can probably carry him as an inactive
Speaker 1: for two or three weeks after that. I'd still at
Speaker 1: this point be surprised if he's on it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just wonder, you wonder what the what the situation is
Speaker 1: with the hamstring. I don't even know the same hamstrings
Speaker 1: before I didn't have it. You know that, like if
Speaker 1: for anybody that doesn't know losses. It's it's hard to
Speaker 1: get information after a loss because people are to find people,
Speaker 1: people are piecing the hell out of there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the Garrett press conference lasts like five minutes.
Speaker 1: Dak talked for three minutes. But but I will see
Speaker 1: if the team was out of the locker room by
Speaker 1: the time we got in there. And we talk about
Speaker 1: the guys that usually you know they're out immediately after
Speaker 1: a loss. Sometimes we do need to at least tip
Speaker 1: the cap to those that are willing to stand up
Speaker 1: and all the time. And Jason Witten right up there
Speaker 1: with him, Jason Zeke stood there, and Zeke last week
Speaker 1: and this I in there and and take the tough questions.
Speaker 1: Zeke deserves a lot of credit because the talking point
Speaker 1: around him is that he's young and immature. But two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row, he stood right there and answered
Speaker 1: all you know whatever. Last week he wasn't a great
Speaker 1: conversation for him, like sure, yeah, And he stood there
Speaker 1: and he answered the question yesterday after the game, after
Speaker 1: giving up that game winner, Jordan Lewis, he stood there
Speaker 1: and he took the questions after not a great game.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith stood there, took the question. So there are
Speaker 1: some guys in this locker room that are stand up
Speaker 1: guys that are willing to stand up and do what
Speaker 1: I think is their responsibility and talk to the fans
Speaker 1: through the media even after they've lost or even after
Speaker 1: things haven't gone their way and have a good day. Yep,
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, Let's let's get another question. Should
Speaker 1: Mary New he call up more blitz packages to help
Speaker 1: his personnel? Um, you know he did call some blitzes
Speaker 1: and and they don't They just don't get home. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: And I kind of said that to you on the
Speaker 1: field at the end of the game, like I would
Speaker 1: have blitzed him now a back shoulder fade. I don't
Speaker 1: think a blitz really matters about that. Um, I would
Speaker 1: have done a little bit more pressure at the end
Speaker 1: of the game there, because I would have just because
Speaker 1: how much a sack is, how important it is, because
Speaker 1: he knows he can't take a sack, he's gonna hold
Speaker 1: onto the ball just a little bit less. So I
Speaker 1: think if you if you blitzed and pressured him there.
Speaker 1: But to the question in general, Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the pass rush was how much
Speaker 1: of a problem was it. I mean they kind of
Speaker 1: got after it a little bit like him, like irving
Speaker 1: on the nose, but that was when they they usually
Speaker 1: got after him when they had a four man front,
Speaker 1: and at that in that last drive, they're primarily doing
Speaker 1: three man front, and so I I personally feel like
Speaker 1: and that that goes back to just you know, if
Speaker 1: you when you're in those kind of situations, saying we're
Speaker 1: just gonna keep everything in front of us. I think
Speaker 1: with a quarterback like that, you keep coming at and
Speaker 1: playing your bass defense. I do, and I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people may different. I just think I'd rather
Speaker 1: go down saying I played my defense that I know
Speaker 1: can get pressure and kind of cover, rather than saying
Speaker 1: we're just gonna throw everything back and not really worry
Speaker 1: about the pass rushes. I think more often than not,
Speaker 1: I really like the three man front cloggin cover idea,
Speaker 1: because I mean, he's gonna get rid of the ball quick,
Speaker 1: he's smart. You're probably not going to pressure him into
Speaker 1: a huge mistake or a sack. Because of again, who
Speaker 1: you're playing. If you were playing Blake Bortles by all means,
Speaker 1: but you're not so I think I'd rather just concede.
Speaker 1: I'd rather just conceive that I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: to him and have as many guys trying to rally
Speaker 1: to the ball carrier as possible. But I don't feel
Speaker 1: super strongly about it. I mean, yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: as you saw yesterday and as you'll probably see him
Speaker 1: most games where he's where you're playing a quarterback like that,
Speaker 1: like if you give them, if they've got time, I
Speaker 1: don't care how how many guys you got there back
Speaker 1: there trying to cloth things up. They're gonna find an
Speaker 1: open receiver because he's very good at buying extra time,
Speaker 1: and its receivers are very old good when he's buying
Speaker 1: extra time to be able to find a way to
Speaker 1: get open. It's almost as if when you're playing a
Speaker 1: quarterback of that caliber, you should do everything possible to
Speaker 1: keep the ball out of him from having the ball last.
Speaker 1: That's I think Brian's gut feeling. Like we write up
Speaker 1: a review of how we thought the game win, and
Speaker 1: Brian was like, you just knew whoever had the ball
Speaker 1: last was gonna win. I was like, well, you had
Speaker 1: a chance to have the ball last, and you passed
Speaker 1: on it. I think that's an overstatement. I don't think
Speaker 1: they had a chance to have the ball last. They
Speaker 1: had a chance to decrease the amount of time Rogers,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say that that's true. That is true.
Speaker 1: They did have them. But we didn't even talk about that.
Speaker 1: Amazing him. You know, that was crazy, Like it's like
Speaker 1: the place stopped before it really stopped, Like everybody just stopped,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, because the ball still wive guys, let's
Speaker 1: keep going. I don't know. I think I don't know
Speaker 1: how the stat crew and they got thrown issues over there,
Speaker 1: but I think that it should be a turnover the Packers.
Speaker 1: And then I think Travis Frederick should have got a
Speaker 1: turnover for stripping the ball getting it back, um, and
Speaker 1: you know, and then after that that something could have
Speaker 1: happened there when he got the ball back. But um,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I mean, okay, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: the thing, but it but when he when he got
Speaker 1: the ball there and he kind of just started running
Speaker 1: with it, I mean maybe if he could have pitched
Speaker 1: it and then they could have they could have got
Speaker 1: it over towards the Cowboys sideline. It was entertaining. I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We were down on the field. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of give me the mic. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun being down there in that environment,
Speaker 1: in those types of situations, but it really hinders how
Speaker 1: well you see what's going on, you know, because you're
Speaker 1: on eye level with these guys. But it was it
Speaker 1: was pretty wild. Yeah, I don't know if they would
Speaker 1: have played it the same way, But what if that
Speaker 1: was Bryce streaking down the middle of the field instead
Speaker 1: of Beasley, you know, if if he could have Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I I thought, just looking at it, I
Speaker 1: thought that the Beasley was gonna like, if he could
Speaker 1: have caught the ball that he was, he would have scored.
Speaker 1: But I think, no, I don't think he would. He wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But I do think then they have a shot. They
Speaker 1: can take one shot at the end zone. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot. Well, I'm okay, who cares about that?
Speaker 1: That was never gonna work. But I'm glad you mentioned
Speaker 1: that because this team had the ball at midfield with
Speaker 1: timeouts and what like eighteen seconds on the clock when
Speaker 1: Dak was sacked right before halftime and they just gave
Speaker 1: up against again, knowing that Aaron Rodgers was going to
Speaker 1: get the ball coming out of the third quarter. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can throw a ball. You have a timeout, so
Speaker 1: maybe you can throw a ball to the middle of
Speaker 1: the field and kick along field goal or may just
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers have scored how many touchdowns on just bs
Speaker 1: hail mary's at the end of halves? I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Just try it. You like, in my mind, was it
Speaker 1: twenty one six at that point or twenty one twelve.
Speaker 1: It's twenty one twelve, I think to twelve at halftime.
Speaker 1: So you're up nine and I'm just assuming Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is going to get them points coming out of halftime.
Speaker 1: He's just he's gonna do it. Yeah, They're gonna have
Speaker 1: thirty thousand fans in the stands, and it's so, why
Speaker 1: isn't there more urgency to go try to get points
Speaker 1: on the board? Talking about throw a hail Mary, whatever that,
Speaker 1: But I throw along pass to get in positions for fuel.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that part. They would have quickly called
Speaker 1: a time out. I think they could have gotten a
Speaker 1: play to maybe get them into field goal range and
Speaker 1: then get a shot. I can tell you why they
Speaker 1: don't throw a hall Mary. It's because of Troy Aikman.
Speaker 1: Troy Aitman's who are Troytman's two prominent backups in the nineties,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, Who else? Wade Wilson? Where are they on
Speaker 1: the staff? Yeah, they hate it. Aikman hated the hail
Speaker 1: Mary because he says it killed your stats because you
Speaker 1: got you you would get an interception for no reason
Speaker 1: out there, So he didn't like throwing it. He rarely
Speaker 1: threw it. They don't like throwing it. Wade Wilson has
Speaker 1: said before that they don't. They don't necessarily like to
Speaker 1: throw that play. I don't care about the stats, but
Speaker 1: they'll they'll do that so stupid. It is stupid. Well,
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna say that, but I don't. But
Speaker 1: I don't think the hell Mary. I don't even care
Speaker 1: about the hell Mary with I'm agree it's not the
Speaker 1: hell Mary. You had a shot with some time out
Speaker 1: do something over the middle. Just see what happened. He
Speaker 1: can kick a fifty. I mean you would try it
Speaker 1: for sixty yeah, right going into the half, you would
Speaker 1: definitely try. Aaron Rodgers is it's it's October, so Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is Michael Myers like he's just gonna get up
Speaker 1: and just keep coming with the big kitchen knife, and
Speaker 1: you have you just a kitchen knife. Yeah, you just gotta.
Speaker 1: You have to just almost play. Is it bad that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the defensive tackle from the two thousands back?
Speaker 1: I actually thought of both. I thought of both. There
Speaker 1: you go, Yeah, Ken knows Kin sendo movies. Wow, you
Speaker 1: almost have to play. You have to be afraid of
Speaker 1: putting your defense on the field when you play this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you have either, and they didn't
Speaker 1: in multiple occasions. Ken, It's been fifty nine minutes we've
Speaker 1: talked about Aaron Rodgers getting the ball to go win
Speaker 1: the game. You know, it's some scary thought, and you're
Speaker 1: just now playing that like that would have been perfect,
Speaker 1: which is coming up right? Yeah, That's why I happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah this Friday. Yeah, all right, guys, are ach you Johnius.
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