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Speaker 1: As expected, President Trump has been acquitted on both impeachment counts.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief Washington correspondent for Bromberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm broadcasting live in the Bloomberg Boston Bureau. I'm in

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Speaker 1: And of course that primary now is in a couple

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Speaker 1: the Boston bureau with me. First time on the Agram

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Speaker 1: And Scott, this is your first time on the show.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producer every day she says that, what are

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Speaker 1: did you see Speaker Pelosi take? I said, did Tom

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Speaker 1: Keane tell Speaker Pelosi to rip up the script? When

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Speaker 1: You know, between the handshake or the not handshake and

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Speaker 1: you what the President had to say about his Middle

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Speaker 1: So the President reiterating the Middle East Peace Plan. And Matt,

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Speaker 1: Sadly that doesn't exist anymore today. Isn't the isn't the president? Um?

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Speaker 1: That's unprecedented, and it's it's very sad because it's it's

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Speaker 1: thinking about a lot these days, told me that she

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Speaker 1: was like the biggest Kennedy fan, Kennedy Catholic, you know,

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Speaker 1: she grew up in Scranton and whatnot, and she Ethel

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Speaker 1: Kennedy was it, you know what I mean. And so

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Speaker 1: when I walked into I think it was the Motion

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Speaker 1: Picture Association building down in DC, and there's Ethel Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: and respectfully to Rory, I was, you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a good film and whatnot, but there's Ethel Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: I was so nervous, and I said, Mrs Kennedy, you know,

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Speaker 1: my grandmother was a was a big fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: I would like to get a picture. She goes all

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Speaker 1: right cool and she was just so chill and I

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Speaker 1: just remember that like she was just no nonsense. When

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Speaker 1: when when Senator Kenny's mother died, Rose kenned Um, we

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Speaker 1: were down at the at the compound. Everybody was getting

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Speaker 1: on busses to come back up. She was buried at

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Speaker 1: the church he was baptized in in the North End,

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Speaker 1: and there's Arnold Schwarzenegger and there's Caroline and they're all there.

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Speaker 1: George magazine And even with all that, um in Ethel

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's houses next door to the where the Senator's house was,

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Speaker 1: and she would come out, it would still stun you,

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Speaker 1: you know, like that's Ethel Kennedy, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: that's how you I mean, because some of these figures,

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Speaker 1: you just you know, there's there's such giants. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would Ted Kennedy say about today with the acquittal?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's actually it's an interesting question. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think he might wonder, I don't know what he

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Speaker 1: how we would sort of wrap his head around U.

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Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump being President United States. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they knew each other, you know, just from from being

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Speaker 1: celebrities and celebrity circles and stuff, and um, I found

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Speaker 1: him to be you know, there was always whatever he

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Speaker 1: would say, and he'd be he'd be down there railing

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Speaker 1: on the Senate floor talking about how the president should

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Speaker 1: probably be impeached for everything he does every day all

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Speaker 1: day long. But but ultimately on this, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you remember back to the Clinton impeachment, he and Phil

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Speaker 1: Graham was a senator from Texas at the time, are

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Speaker 1: the ones that in the back room when they were

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Speaker 1: just meeting privately, all the senators worked out the deal

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Speaker 1: that allowed for witnesses. And I think he would have

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Speaker 1: looked at kind of that role to play. You know,

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Speaker 1: how do you do this in a way that is

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Speaker 1: going to elevate the institution, um, in a way that

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Speaker 1: it probably didn't work this time. I'm not sure it

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Speaker 1: was particularly elevated in the Clinton impeachment either, but I

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Speaker 1: think he would look for that kind of a role.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt Brooks, tell me one thing on your radar.

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Speaker 1: What's your quick take? My quick take is that, um,

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Speaker 1: I think that uh beebe will emerge victorious and the

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Speaker 1: upcoming elections in a couple of weeks in Israel. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what's the date on that election or what month? If

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Speaker 1: you don't have the exact date, it's March second, March second, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what what? What's changed? Why the shift? I just think

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Speaker 1: the momentum is with him. I think he's shown himself

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Speaker 1: on the international stage, not just with his visit to

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Speaker 1: the United States, but his trip to in Tabby and

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Speaker 1: the normalization uh, you know with relations in Sub Saharan

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Speaker 1: African right now, which uh they met with the Sudanese.

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Speaker 1: I just think on so many cylinders, Uh, he's demonstrating

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Speaker 1: that he's heading shoulders in terms of leadership and delivering

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Speaker 1: for the Israeli people than any of the other candidates.

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Speaker 1: You know what I think got lost in the shuffle

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Speaker 1: in the week of the Mid East Peace Plan. One

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Speaker 1: of the developments, if not the United States, who who

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00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Russia China to play referee? And and this, I mean

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Speaker 1: this is this is imperative that America take the league lead,

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Speaker 1: is it not, matt in negotiating between the Palestinians and

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Speaker 1: the Israelis, because if we don't step in, the Russians would. No,

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Speaker 1: there's no question that the Middle East has always seen

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Speaker 1: its share of power vacuums, and it's it's critically important, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the for the United States to to

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Speaker 1: to be the central player there and in order to

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Speaker 1: keep the other actors outside of the game, whether it's

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Speaker 1: the Russians or the Chinese, who are all looking for

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Speaker 1: a foothold in that part of the world. Um. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that's one of the things that

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Speaker 1: was so important, so different that with the President's peace plan. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they took a look and I know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time talking to Jared. You know,

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Speaker 1: they they unlike previous administrations that when they came in,

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Speaker 1: they just take the Middle East peace process binder off

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Speaker 1: the shelf and just try and recreate the same thing

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Speaker 1: over and over again. They said, you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at this, we're gonna find out why it didn't work,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna, you know, go outside the box and

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Speaker 1: do something radically different. And uh, it may work, it

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Speaker 1: may not, but at least we know it's not the

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Speaker 1: Einsteinian definition of insanity of continuing to do the same

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Speaker 1: thing over and over and over again and hoping, uh

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Speaker 1: for a for a different result. You know, that's interesting

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Speaker 1: when I was writing in my journal after that Jared

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Speaker 1: Kushner interview. I uh, I was, I was noting similar

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Speaker 1: something that you just said. My dad would always quote

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Speaker 1: that Einstein uh, that Albert Einstein quote that you just said.

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Speaker 1: All right, you want another bold prediction? By the way, yes,

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Speaker 1: but quickly, okay. Uh Tom Perez does not make it

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Speaker 1: as chairman of the DUNC through super Tuesday. Oh all right,

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Speaker 1: you heard it. All right, Well I'm gonna I hear you.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna move on before I say something.

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Speaker 1: Scott firston Democratic Strategist, What's what's your quick take? What's

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Speaker 1: on your radar? Quick take? First of all, I endorsed

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Speaker 1: that on Tom parres. Um the I thought that uh um,

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00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, I thought the Democratic Party was gonna wait

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Speaker 1: till October to screw with the election. But apparently we

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Speaker 1: decided we'd start right now and do it pretty quickly,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting. Kennedy's are out from blood. I think

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Speaker 1: we're I'm mad. I'm mad because it's but I think

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Speaker 1: we're focusing on exactly the wrong thing in Iowa, which

747
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Speaker 1: is the screw up of the party and what we

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00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: should be focusing on. Our two things, one is you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're just looking at the results now and you

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Speaker 1: didn't know about this, grew up Pete Buddha chet even

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00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: by a little bit one the Iowa caucus. And there

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00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: were five victory speeches that night, poor Pete them all.

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Speaker 1: And and that should have been such a clear, stellar,

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Speaker 1: unbelievable out of nowhere. He was not. He was in

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Speaker 1: the top four, but never never really predicted to actually

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00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: win the thing, and he won the thing. The other

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00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: thing that's really really troublesome, and why I sort of

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00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: endo a suppress thing, is that we didn't pump up

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Speaker 1: the vote at all. Um. The vote was exactly stagnant

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Speaker 1: to four years ago and down from eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: We're not We've done some polling. We're in New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: and South Carolina and we've done some polling. Independence don't

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Speaker 1: feel welcome in the Democratic Party by a majority about

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Speaker 1: and if we aren't, and frankly, you know we we

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Speaker 1: weren't really appealing to independence in Iowa. They didn't come

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Speaker 1: out and vote. We don't make it easy for them.

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Speaker 1: I predict a New Hampshire UM the vote. If the

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Speaker 1: vote is pumped up, it will be because Independence UM

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Speaker 1: are interested but we should be welcoming and make it

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Speaker 1: easy for them, and we don't do that as a point,

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Speaker 1: So smart Scott, I mean, thank you for your your

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Speaker 1: quick take there. Let me ask you a follow up question. Biden.

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Speaker 1: Can Biden recover your Biden is kind of the slow

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Speaker 1: and steady, so I think it depends. He's you know,

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Speaker 1: truck Alowe. He didn't do bad. Ultimately, he wasn't really

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Speaker 1: participating in ioware playing in Iowa. Um, if he and

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Speaker 1: he could afford Bill Clinton is the last president to

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Speaker 1: become president. We lost the first four primaries. Biden could

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Speaker 1: do that and go into Super Tuesday and sort of

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Speaker 1: just be the one who's kind of there and standing. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think frankly gonna look for one thing in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: which is I want Pete Budaicech to be presidential. I

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00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: haven't seen that in him. Um. He's the type of

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Speaker 1: guy and be happy if he gave me a medical diagnosis.

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Speaker 1: He seems very calm and uh, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: he could deliver that very but that's different from being presidential.

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Speaker 1: And I think if he steps it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I's noticed today for the first time he actually wore

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Speaker 1: a soup code, which I think is a step in

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Speaker 1: the right direction. Wow, it's all about this. It's very

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Speaker 1: George Magazine asked, you know, you gotta have that GQ style. Listen,

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Speaker 1: if anyone saw what I'm wearing right now, I'm not

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Speaker 1: in my TV closed and that's all I'm gonna say.

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00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta be comfortable. No, I'm not. That's an understatement.

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Speaker 1: What's on my radar? Bangwaido. I was really struck by

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Speaker 1: this President Trump meeting with the Venezuelan president as is

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00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: recognized by the United States and fifty plus countries at

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Speaker 1: the White House today. He was also a special guest

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Speaker 1: at the President's State of the Union address. Defying a

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Speaker 1: travelman in Venezuela. After meeting with world leaders and Davos

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Speaker 1: of the Secretary of State during his Latin American tour,

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Speaker 1: bogwaide Oh taken on Dictator Maduro. That does it for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cerilli, chief Washington correspondent Fromoomberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm en route to New Hampshire, Folks, We're headed to

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Get me some chouda. But I'm still an

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Speaker 1: Eagles fan, always loyal to Philadelphia. You're listening to Bloomberg