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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Welcome back to Coast to Coast George, and

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Speaker 1: are you with you along with Marshall Barnes as we

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Speaker 1: talk about time travel. Fascinating discussion. Marshall, how did you

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Speaker 1: get interested in this? By the way, Oh, like most people,

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Speaker 1: you know, living as the time I grew up in.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're not that far away from me age wise.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a fascinating subject. For me. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't so much the movie The Time Machine, as it

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Speaker 1: was a TV series of time and Tunnel. But I

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Speaker 1: didn't think you could actually do it, you know, I

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Speaker 1: kind of wondered, but you know, I wasn't really sure

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Speaker 1: about that. And then later on, many years later, I

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Speaker 1: started to see how there could be possibility just for

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Speaker 1: into physics and all that, and then I started to

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Speaker 1: get serious around twenty eleven or so because some associates

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Speaker 1: of mine and I got together and we said, look,

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Speaker 1: there are these people out there that think that the

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Speaker 1: Earth's population needs to be deuced down to half a

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Speaker 1: billion people. Now, how are they going to do that?

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Speaker 1: Because it's serious. They meet and they talk about these things.

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Speaker 1: How are they going to do that? And so, long

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Speaker 1: story short, we figured out probably the best way to

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Speaker 1: do something like that. And then a few years later

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Speaker 1: I started to see some of those things that we

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to get out of here. And

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Speaker 1: the answer was not space. The answer was getting back

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Speaker 1: to working on time travel. Get out of here that way,

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Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that's going to save you

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Speaker 1: at that period, or you're done. And so that's why

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Speaker 1: I started to do and you know, I changed on

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Speaker 1: my focus that I could away from the aerospace industry,

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Speaker 1: which I had been involved in for a number of years,

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Speaker 1: and start focusing on resolving the issues about time to

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Speaker 1: travel because my head was, you know, gunn was too

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Speaker 1: my head, so to speak. Are there some technological laboratories

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Speaker 1: out there that are working on the apparatuses for time machines? Well,

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Speaker 1: not that I knew of. I mean, while my people

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Speaker 1: are doing it. You know, we're working on it. We

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Speaker 1: can't we wire on somebody else to do it, because

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Speaker 1: number one, they have to catch up on what the

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Speaker 1: science is and the science were gonna have time to

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Speaker 1: travel involves like over three different other disciplines that most

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Speaker 1: people don't even know anything about. So you know, it's like,

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Speaker 1: we can't we can't waste time for someone else to

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Speaker 1: this other consideration. There are things that are part of

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Speaker 1: the development of this technology which can be weaponized, and

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Speaker 1: so they become a national security risk. You know, if

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, you can't allow it to just

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Speaker 1: be in anyone's hands. You know, I can't go around

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Speaker 1: and blab the people you know how to how to

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Speaker 1: try to do it, because it'd be a violation of

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Speaker 1: US Code thirty five, Chapter seventeen, see one. And I

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Speaker 1: had you to look it up even just so now

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Speaker 1: I just to know what it is. I could quote

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Speaker 1: it so the government people out there would realize, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about him. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to blab about anything, and then leave me alone. You know.

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Speaker 1: But uh, it's it's really tricky. Stop. It's not something

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Speaker 1: that you can do in your garage. And if you

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Speaker 1: go back into time into the past, can you come back? Sure?

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Speaker 1: But and I here and I'm glad you asked that question,

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Speaker 1: because it's not so much and this is something I

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Speaker 1: it's not something that you were You are literally going

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Speaker 1: cause the creation of a new parallel universe copy of

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Speaker 1: So we have to One of the biggest problems about

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Speaker 1: the subject of the nature of time and time travel

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Speaker 1: that's the symmetry of time problem. But if duration is

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Speaker 1: That's not that time is literally connected to space, where

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Speaker 1: But its purpose is to allow things to take place

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Speaker 1: while things have happened. Space is where things are. Time

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Speaker 1: But you have to get over this idea that time

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Speaker 1: just nonsense. Because my next question, Marshall was going to be,

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Speaker 1: do you calibrate that? So you pop up in that

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Speaker 1: how like for example, um Bill Clinton soul technology to

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Speaker 1: for example, like say the nineties or the eighties or whatever,

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Speaker 1: Could I find you in that same parallel universe or

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Speaker 1: you how we could find out if somehow a cosmologists

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Speaker 1: you're in that area that I was talking about. Are

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Speaker 1: You know, that's what's really important. That's not what's some

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Speaker 1: he have? Yeah, what could you know? That kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's where the answers are. They're not up in the

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