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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Anderson and this is part one of our NBA

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Speaker 1: Mid Season Update, a crossover episode of Buckets Action Networks

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Speaker 1: Daily NBA Betting Podcast. The NFL season at Long Last

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Speaker 1: is over all eyes at last on the NBA as

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Speaker 1: we hit the All Star break playoffs just around the corner.

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Speaker 1: We're getting ready for those weeknights of four games all

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Speaker 1: at once, everything coming at you. For those of you

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Speaker 1: like me that have had eyes mostly on NFL. If

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Speaker 1: we're being honest for the last few months, this is

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Speaker 1: a two part NBA crash course. This is to get

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Speaker 1: us all caught up, get us ready to watch and

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Speaker 1: beat the NBA season the rest of the way. For

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Speaker 1: part one, I'm joined today by Jim Turby to look

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Speaker 1: through the Eastern Conference. You can find Jim at at

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Speaker 1: Turby bats on Twitter. Is that where you are on

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Speaker 1: the app as well? Jim, how you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing well. Yep, same name on the app there,

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Speaker 2: keep it straightforward, good, good, I'm ready I've been living

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Speaker 2: in the NBA weeds, ignoring the NFL basically entirely, just

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Speaker 2: to be able to do this podcast with you and

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Speaker 2: welcome back folks into the warm embrace of the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Bright as we get to the really messy place where

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Speaker 2: Utah is going to benching eighteen different guys to night

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Speaker 2: and it's pure chaos. But we all we don't know

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Speaker 2: what's really about you the NBA playoffs. Well, we'll kind

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Speaker 2: of talk through, you know, we'll talk through the bottom

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Speaker 2: towards the top because it's a pretty interesting conference. This here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is interesting and definitely is kind

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Speaker 1: of stretched out. So I like that as we're going

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Speaker 1: through the teams, you separate them into tiers even without

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Speaker 1: tears as always. Yeah, this is basically here is the assignment.

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Speaker 1: Joe Delara will be on to Talk West. That's part two,

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Speaker 1: so make sure to come back for that one. The

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Speaker 1: assignment was treat me as me. I'm Brandon. I follow

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Speaker 1: the NBA, I watch some of the games. I know

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Speaker 1: who got traded. I know Lucas on the Lakers, and

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Speaker 1: now I know all the stuff. I just haven't been

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Speaker 1: able to, like grind a night after night, be in

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Speaker 1: the lab and the props, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go through team by team. Tell me

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Speaker 1: as we hit the brake, obviously, as we're coming out

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Speaker 1: with that, I left that up to you. That could

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Speaker 1: Just something about the team, A key thing I might

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Speaker 1: So this is just this is a crash course for

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Speaker 1: Oh, so nobody really plays or tries right now, and

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Speaker 1: do big picture and East Conference futures, et cetera. So

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Speaker 1: But let's go to the next tier here, low key,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they really aren't as bad. You know, they've

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Speaker 2: the low key not heinous tier is against the spread.

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Speaker 2: They're actually not terrible. Charlotte against the spread this year

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Speaker 2: great court, LaMelo balls fun to watch, but there's not

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Speaker 1: All Right, Brooklyn Nets a team that I thought coming

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Speaker 2: what's really good that they're kind of a perfect tank team,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my favorite team to catch you up

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Speaker 2: We talked about a few of these teams that are

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls with like four minutes left until Max

433
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,320
Speaker 1: Strus turned into God for four minutes and then the

434
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Speaker 1: whole Eastern Conference turn upside down.

435
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Speaker 2: Luck.

436
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240
Speaker 1: You are speaking my love language. I'm in heath.

437
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,200
Speaker 2: That's the playoffs.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm tailing plus two seventy five. It's about next. Two

439
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,280
Speaker 1: teams on the list have been your teams, so we've

440
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 1: been texting about them all season. Start out with the

441
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,879
Speaker 1: Atlanta here in the play and race. Who could have

442
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 1: seen it coming.

443
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of these I'm like happy if they were

444
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 2: my team. One of these is not as happy. We'll

445
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,119
Speaker 2: start with the Hawks, so you know they started the

446
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 2: year eighteen and fifteen. I was loving it. Hawks Island

447
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 2: was sunny, there wasn't a cloud in sight. Things were

448
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 2: looking great. But then my guy, Jalen Johnson, the one

449
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 2: who I named the Jalen Johnson All Stars after the

450
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 2: guys who impact the game more than the spread is

451
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,440
Speaker 2: going to be account for. You know, Jalen Johnson isn't

452
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 2: go They're not going to move a spread five points

453
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 2: off Jalen Johnson. Well, he's the type of player who

454
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 2: really does have that kind of impact. They lost twelve

455
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 2: of the next sixteen with Jalen Johnson off. But would

456
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,719
Speaker 2: you look at this the last few games, what they

457
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 2: do they kind of they sold off some piece at

458
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 2: the deadline, bogdan Bogdanovich out the door, DeAndre Hunter out

459
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 2: the door. Well look at this now, they're four to

460
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,360
Speaker 2: zero against the spread in those four games. Since they

461
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 2: sort of moved some pieces around. They brought karouslo Vert back,

462
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 2: they brought George's Niang back. They did I think a

463
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 2: pretty good job of keeping the overall talent on the

464
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 2: roster around the same while also recapping some capital for

465
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 2: the future as well. You know, these aren't amazing games,

466
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: since since the break, they had the Bucks without Giannis,

467
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 2: they had the Wizards, but they were at the Magic,

468
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: who you know will cover them in a second. Haven't

469
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 2: been as good as I and others anticipated, but they're

470
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 2: still pretty good at home and they won that game,

471
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,360
Speaker 2: and then they lost by one in New York, which

472
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: is a very solid result. So I kind of can't

473
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 2: quit these guys. I know how the team specific future,

474
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: but I will say that Trey has been since the

475
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: trade deadline and even leading up to trade deadline a

476
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: little bit. Once Gial and Johnson went out, his usage

477
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: went up. He's been playing really, really well. He has

478
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 2: a tough game right out of the break against Orlando.

479
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 2: But the books are gonna know that He's averaging thirty

480
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 2: and twelve with usage well over thirty since those guys left.

481
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: And one thing that I think is really interesting is

482
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 2: rest spots for him this season. So on zero day's rest,

483
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 2: Trey has averaged seventeen point six points per game. One

484
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 2: day rest. That jumps all the way up to twenty

485
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: four point two, two days rest twenty five point three,

486
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: three plus days twenty eight point five. So this is

487
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: gonna be a nice little rest. He is going to

488
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Speaker 2: the All Star break or to the All Star Game.

489
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: Now you will get to you know, it's not full rest,

490
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 2: but the All Star breaks, you know, as close as

491
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: a nice long rest as you're going to get during

492
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: the regular season. Keep an eye on that both ways.

493
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,239
Speaker 2: You know, if they have a back to back, you know,

494
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 2: potentially look at fading his points, especially if it's a

495
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: tough matchup, whereas if they're in a really decent rest

496
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: spot behind his points. It's a tough matchup in Orlando

497
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: for sure, but he's playing really great right now, and

498
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: so I'll be looking at that first team back for him.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Atlanta seems like an extremely play

500
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: in team. And let's go ahead and get to with

501
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic there next on your list, and they're

502
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Speaker 1: the other team that was your team coming into the year,

503
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Speaker 1: Ralph Locke in Orlando, they cannot get anybody healthy.

504
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they They have had a really really brutal season

505
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: and it's one of those that's really interesting where you know,

506
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: Palo went down like five games in the season and

507
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: they were able to maintain, and you know, there was

508
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 2: some good Palo slander that came out of that, but

509
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: then Bronz went down and they were able to maintain

510
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: without Franz as well, and it was like, all right,

511
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: is this one of those teams that they just kind

512
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: of win. I think what it was is that the

513
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 2: effort level was so high that once those guys started

514
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: to come back, we actually saw the team kind of

515
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: fall off, ironically, and I think they were pouring so

516
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: much effort in when those guys were out that they

517
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: really kind of just burned themselves out. However, I will

518
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: say that a very central part of this this Magic

519
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 2: team has been Jalen Suggs. He has been really, really awesome.

520
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 2: He's an amazing point of attack defender and he is

521
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: you know, you and I don't think I don't think

522
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: we overweight this but you know, he's the type of

523
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: guy who can kind of change the mentality of a team.

524
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: He just kind of is out there and if you

525
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: are not hustling around Jalen Suggs, you kind of get

526
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: left in the dust. And so why I think is

527
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: really interesting. They're twenty and fifteen with him this season

528
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: seven and fourteen without Again, I think a little bit

529
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: of that is noise in that they really pushed really

530
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: hard when those guys first went out and kind of

531
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: burned through some stuff. But you know, the net rating

532
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: with him on the season plus zero point nine with

533
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: him off minus two point eight. What I really think

534
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: is interesting though, this year with Franz and Pallo with

535
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: no Sugs, they have a minus eleven point three net rating.

536
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 2: That is not going to fload it. Those two guys

537
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 2: really should be able to float you in an Eastern

538
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: Conference that is definitely improved, but overall is not you're

539
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: not in the Western Conference, and eleven point three in general,

540
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: even if you're in the Western Conference, that's not going

541
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: to float you. So they have the second worst spread

542
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: differential against top ten teams according to Cleaning the Glass,

543
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: including the second worst point differential so they are just

544
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: not good against good teams, and that's it comes back

545
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: on their top players, Franz and Polow. I still like

546
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: the talent level of these guys, but I do think

547
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: that the the vibes are just kind of there, like

548
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: they're just off with this team. And this feels like

549
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: one of those lost seasons for a team that I

550
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: had a lot of hope that they would be a

551
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: contender in the East, let alone be you know, battling

552
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: down here by the play in. So I do think

553
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: this is one of those seasons. It seems like kind

554
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: of a lost season. I still love the talent though,

555
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: so I'm not giving up on them entirely, but it's

556
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: definitely one of those years for them.

557
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because of course I was really low

558
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: on the Magic. I'm not big on Polo. Even Franz

559
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: I like, but I don't know that he was worth

560
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: a max contract actually, you know, having not watched them

561
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: a whole lot, admittedly, but just checking them in the standings,

562
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Like you tried to go me into give me Magic

563
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: versus and we list off a bunch of teams and

564
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I was too pansy to accept any of them. I

565
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: would have been winning most of the bats. I assume

566
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: I've been keeping an eye on them. I'm a little

567
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: impressed with the magic. I'm wondering, could they actually be something.

568
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: It's been a terrible year, but they're still like here

569
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: in the mix. Could they get healthy and make a

570
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a push and suddenly like even get

571
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Speaker 1: to the five or the six, especially get to the

572
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: five in the East. Could you actually win a series?

573
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: Still?

574
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: Do you see a way where this season could still

575
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: be saved and turn into something where there actually some

576
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: like sleeper value here? Is there any chance that, like

577
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: between where I was at and where you were at,

578
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: is there a happy middle for this team this season?

579
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Or is it just not this year?

580
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: Well? I mean, right now they are sitting in the

581
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: seven seed. That looks like they are about five losses

582
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: behind the Bucks. We'll get to the Bucks, and how

583
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: you know, Giannis has not even been playing for them

584
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: right now, So I don't think it's impossible. But I

585
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 2: also I do think that the vibe of this season

586
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: is that they burned out in that stretch when they

587
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: were trying to float themselves, and that I know this

588
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: would be the moment to keep an eye on, though

589
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: because if that is the theory that they burned through,

590
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: you know, kind of their legs and you know, everything

591
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: in that low stretch trying to float. This is the reset, right,

592
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: you get a week off, you get to kind of

593
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: finally rest your legs. For a team like Orlando that

594
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: is so effort based and so defensive oriented, this could

595
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: be a turning point. So if they come out of

596
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: the break and look notably better, especially the guys around

597
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: Franz and Powell, We're gonna want to see Franz and

598
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: Powell play better that I'm less worried about. Those are

599
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: two very good players who I still trust. If the

600
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: other guys are playing better, and they're and they're picking

601
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: up wins, especially against good teams that they've struggled against

602
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: good teams all season, if they're at least able to

603
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: stay in those games, I think that will be telling I,

604
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, we'll get to these these better teams. I'm

605
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: actually I think that the top of the East is

606
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: pretty strong. So I don't know if this I personally

607
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: am not gonna you know, even as mister Magic, I'm

608
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: probably not gonna be looking to bet their futures this year.

609
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: The team that they do. I know is a little

610
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: bit nervous about them. The Boston Celtics. They do not

611
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: match up well with Orlando. So if that, if we

612
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: get that matchup in the first round, I'll probably bet

613
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: like a Orlando series spread, or maybe I'll just bet

614
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: the Magic to cover the spread each game because they'll

615
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, they'll be with they'll be close, but they

616
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 2: won't actually win anything. But that's the matchup I would

617
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: keep an eye on if I were Orlando.

618
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know with the Celtics, you always get

619
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: the free win for the opponent, at least one of

620
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: them anyways, So I like that. I like calling you

621
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: mister Magic. We'll love to see if that catches on too.

622
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that the Philadelphia seventy six Ers have

623
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: not been in our list. We're halfway, We're over halfway through,

624
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: done eight of the fifteen teams. The Sixers are terrible.

625
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: If we just talk about bad vibes, this is like

626
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: bad vibes City. I mean, this won the Super Bowl,

627
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: that's that vibe. But what's happening with the Sixers? Why

628
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: in the world do you have them in the top

629
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: half of the East.

630
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: Well, it is funny because I came in this podcasting, like,

631
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: you know, East Coast boy over here, listen, the Eastern

632
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: Conference is better. This is not speaking highly of Philly

633
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: as much as it is around especially Miami Atlanta, you know,

634
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: having sold off some pieces, they're kind of like just

635
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: none of these these teams super impressed me. And the

636
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: ceiling is still there for Philadelphia. But I'll say this

637
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: Big three quote unquote has not been a Big three.

638
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: They have a plus three point three net rating together

639
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: when healthy this season. They're seven and six in the

640
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: games that all three of those guys have played. They've

641
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: only played thirteen games together. Is incredibly telling as well.

642
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: But you know, they have the worst against the spread

643
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: record in the conference. If you just bet them every night,

644
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: you'd be down fifteen units right now, which is really depressing.

645
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: You probably made, you know, a pretty penny if you're

646
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: fading them constantly. But all of that said, I do

647
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: I'm vaguely intrigued. You can get plus three hundred to

648
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: make the playoffs. It's almost the inverse of Miami, right

649
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: And if we go in to a play in in

650
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: which Philly and Miami are both in that play in,

651
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: and I'm waiting I'm holding a plus three hundred Miami

652
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: ticket to not make it and a plus three hundred

653
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Philly ticket to make I'm going to really like where

654
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm sitting at. Paul George has looked truly, truly terrible,

655
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: and it's gotten worse throughout the season. He has some

656
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: lingering health stuff, but it doesn't seem like it's entirely

657
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: that either. It's just like a you know, it's like

658
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: a spring pinky. I think is the injury. This is

659
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: not the the injury that should be derailing you, But

660
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: at this point in his career, maybe it is. There's

661
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: still some interest here to me, but again, it's it's

662
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: less of a celebration of the Sixers and more an

663
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: indictment of the rest of this tier, at least of

664
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: the conference.

665
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: So okay, he sold me on the idea of Philly.

666
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: But then I just checked the standings and the Sixers

667
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: are currently the eleven seed, two game two wins out

668
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: of even making the play in, So I'm not unsold

669
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: on the idea. But they are currently six wins back

670
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: from the eighth seed. That means that they've got to

671
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: almost certainly they're not going to get to the eighth seed.

672
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: This you know we think of the All Star break

673
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: is halfway now, there's like under thirty games left, Like,

674
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: there are not a lot of ground eight six games

675
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: a lot to make up. So why not wait? Why

676
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: am I not waiting on this beat to CEFM beat

677
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: and pg are at least like somewhere in the universe

678
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: of playing, Because Okay, sure I can either going to

679
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: make the play in, but I still have to win

680
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: maybe a road game in the first game, definitely a

681
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: road game in the second game. And I'm gonna want

682
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: at least one of pg r M beat out there.

683
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Am I really sacrificing odds that bad? They're gonna have

684
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: to price in that I gotta win two games, one

685
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: or two of them on the road. Do I need

686
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: this number now?

687
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: No? And that's a great clarify because I want to

688
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: I want to point out that the Miami heat one

689
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: was lock it in today, missed the playoffs plus three hundred,

690
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: because that, to me, is going to be shown over

691
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: the next few months how bad Miami is. This to

692
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: me is an intrigue. But you're one hundred percent right

693
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: that they're likely going to be the nine seed. I

694
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: think they will probably pass Chicago right in front of them,

695
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: and the Miami and then Miami as well. So you're

696
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent right, because it will Bacon having to

697
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: hint to win that road game in the eight nine,

698
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: which has always been you know a little bit tricky.

699
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: So there's no rush on this. And with the with

700
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: the health and the possibility of you know, I've seen

701
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: six er Twitter out there floating, you know, soft launching

702
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: the tank job like just this is the year, the

703
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: curse year. We talked about a couple of teams here

704
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Orlando having a curse year. So there it is a

705
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: very decent chance that they just you know, pull the plug,

706
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: and they honestly probably should. I they're not gonna they're

707
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: not gonna beat Cleveland in a series. They're not gonna

708
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: beat Boston in a series, so I don't see any

709
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: really reason to go for it. But they're also they

710
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: their players are so unhealthy that they can kind of

711
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: just keep doing what they're doing and they're not going

712
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: to be flying up the standing. So I I agree

713
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent. Miami. I would lock in today. Philly.

714
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: Let's let's play it out. Let's see you might lose

715
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: a little bit if Miami does, you know, drop down

716
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: the standings, but it's gonna be pretty hard over a

717
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: you know, a third of a season to catch up

718
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: and pass those guys, And even if you do, it's

719
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: not the end of the world. This is not a favorite, favorite, favorite,

720
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: best bet. Just to me, at plus three hundred to

721
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: make the playoffs is a little bit long for a

722
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: team in a tier that I think they are still

723
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: even despite the struggle as the best team in.

724
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's one of those where with Philly of all teams,

725
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: especially if I'm getting a plus two fifty or a

726
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: two hundred, that fifty cents I paid for more information

727
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: a month from now. A lot of these guys healthy

728
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: that does PG look anything like himself, Like that is

729
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: worth the price admission for Philadelphia info. I'm not Philly talk.

730
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: We're to the top six teams now, the real teams.

731
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: We're out of the play in We're on the low

732
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: tier playoff squads. You've got sixth in your rankings, the

733
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. You've got a whole manifesto here. What are

734
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: you gonna tell me about the box?

735
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is to me the other most interesting team

736
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: because before the season, this was the team you and

737
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: I both put on put in tickets for to come

738
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: out of the Eastern Conference, and I was intrigued by them.

739
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: And then they won the n season tournament and things

740
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: were seeming great. They flipped the switch, right, Oh, this

741
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: was what will happen come postseason. Digging a little deeper

742
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: and just in watching the night to night with this team,

743
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm not as sold. They are one in eleven with

744
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: a minus fifteen point nine net rating against top ten

745
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: offenses this season. Now, I believe that's per gleaning the glass.

746
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: I believe that does not include that one single game

747
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: that we have basically is acting as you know Atlas

748
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: there with the entire mountain of a burden of evidence

749
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: here for them being a legitimate team, because they have

750
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: by far the worst team by spread differential against those

751
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: top ten teams in the league or top ten offenses

752
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: in the league. Part me. And if they are going

753
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: to come out of the East, they're gonna have to

754
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: face Cleveland, who's the number one offense, New York who

755
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: is the number two offense by cleaning the glass, Boston

756
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: who's the number four offense, like cleaning the glass, And

757
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: even in the first round, they might get Indiana, who's

758
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: number eleven. They have the toughest remaining schedule in the conference.

759
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Giannis has not played in over a week now. There

760
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: are question marks. Is a calf injury. Calf injuries are terrifying.

761
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: They are in a decent position to grab that fifth seed,

762
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: and the fifth seed is really big this year. Set

763
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: you up to potentially face Indiana in Cleveland and avoid

764
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: New York and Boston. That is definitely a really big

765
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: thing here. But I hated the Kyle Kuzma trade. I know,

766
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: Chris Middleton, they had their doubts on you know, whether

767
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: he with the double ankle surgery, what all would be there.

768
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: But you know, Kyle Kuzma, credit to him. The last

769
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: time he was in the playoffs, he was a decent

770
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: piece on a Lakers championship team. Of course, he hasn't

771
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: been playing a lot of playoff fastball since then because

772
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: he chose to prioritize, you know, starting to launch his

773
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: career over some winning. I was talking to, you know,

774
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: Charlie Wright, who's who's with me at Rodo Grinders, and

775
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: he was saying he's a wizard. Sanin's like, I think

776
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: you might actually like Kyle Kuzma. So I will I'll

777
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: watch this out. I'll see, I'll see how it goes.

778
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: I I have my doubts, but you know, I'm I'm

779
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: pretty nervous here. They actually have the second best three

780
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: point shooting offense right now, That to me screams far

781
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: more regression than Cleveland's first place shoot three point shooting offense.

782
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: I I came into this wanting that came in the season,

783
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: winding to be on Cleveland, that came in this pod,

784
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: wanting to be like, all right, let's dive deep on this.

785
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: See if see if our Bucks tickets are looking great?

786
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: They aren't. I am pretty nervous about this Bucks team.

787
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: And you know, there is the Giannis of it all,

788
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: can can somewhat cover up a lot of those gaps.

789
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: He really, when he isn't playing the season has been outstanding,

790
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: some of the best basketball of his career. But to me,

791
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: there are a lot more question marks and that we're

792
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season, and I have as

793
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: a result dropped them below. You know, at least one thing,

794
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: one team I think is very notable for them to

795
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: be behind, and another team that I think most people

796
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't have them behind. So to me, they are kind

797
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: of the bottom of this the low tier playoffs squad.

798
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all all the teams right around me here

799
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: in Chicago Land, all the Midwestern teams stuck in the

800
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: middle here in the standings as well. Yeah, like Jannis

801
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: can cover all the sims. Giannis can do the everything

802
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: and just be honest again low key, I think that, like,

803
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: janis that pretty good. PR's like closer to the mb

804
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: to end of the spectrum on health than can you

805
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: actually show up on the playoffs, And like, I realize

806
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty slamder assigned. Just go check like year by year,

807
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: like we do not get long Giannis runs on the

808
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: playoffs because he's so good and does so much, Like

809
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: the hell thing really is a deal with him, And

810
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: if it's not him, man, the rest of the roster

811
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: is rough. I hated, hated, hated the Kuzma trade. To me,

812
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: that's just like the white flag on the season. So

813
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not excited about them, But I am excited

814
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: about Detroit basketball, a top five team in the East.

815
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Tell me about the top five Pistons.

816
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will, I want. I wanted to say one

817
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: silver line in Milwaukee. I think the ones, because you're

818
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: one hundred percent right on him. His playoff record healthwise

819
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: suddenly looking pre sketchy. I think the very you know,

820
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: if you if you squint and you're like, oh, let's see,

821
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: how does this look good? If he's getting you know,

822
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: if he's a player who's only going to be able

823
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: to play you know, sixty five to eighty games in

824
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: a year regular, she's an in postseason. If he's clearing

825
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: out some of that injury stuff now and he's resting

826
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: up and could be healthy for the postseason, I'll take

827
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: that trade, you know, one hundred times of one hundred.

828
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: That's the optimist case for sure. Yeah.

829
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean they were always a postseason bat team, not

830
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: a Railers season team, so that checks out.

831
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: But yes, the optimist case for Detroit is that this

832
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: team is legitimately very good. They're they're the fifth best

833
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: spread differential against top ten teams in cleaning the Glass.

834
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: That's always something I look forward to see, like how

835
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: legit is this team when they are going up against

836
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: the best teams they were like Detroit especially and doing

837
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: it by spread differential. What I mean by that is

838
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: like clean Glass has a great stat where it looks at.

839
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: You know, they're ats basically, and the margin off off

840
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: of the spread, and so they outperform in these spots

841
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: against really good teams. They pretty easily could go up

842
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: into that fifth seed and get Indiana in the first

843
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: round and then Cleveland. Now Cleveland is awesome. We're going

844
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: to talk about them later. But if you if you

845
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: told me that Detroit could be the fifth seed in

846
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: the East and potentially winning around in the postseason, I mean,

847
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: this is this is one of the best outcomes you

848
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: could possibly imagine for them this season since Jane and

849
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: Ivy went out. And this is not an indictment of Ivy.

850
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: I think it's probably more about the long term fit

851
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: between in Kate Cunningham and j and Ivy. They're fourteen

852
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: and eight with a plus five point five net rating.

853
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: That's the third best rating net rating in the conference

854
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: during that stretch, which is you know, twenty two games

855
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: is a not it's a quarter of the season. That's

856
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: higher than the Knicks, that's higher than the Bucks. They

857
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: have wins in that stretch. They have wins over the Timberwolves,

858
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: the Knicks, the Rockets, and again that they are a

859
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: great road team as well. They're good against good teams.

860
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: So what I'll be eyeing against them or for them, sorry,

861
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: is when they are on the road against good teams.

862
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: It's like the ultimate time you'd want to doubt the

863
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons. Who's gonna bet the Detroit Pistons on the

864
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: road against the top ten team? You should? That is

865
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: when they have been doing very well. This is a

866
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: very legitimate Detroit team. Kate Cunningham right now is the

867
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: favorite for most improved player. We always chuckle about, you know, oh,

868
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: the number one pick is suddenly the most improved player.

869
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Look at that. But he is genuinely playing very really

870
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: good basketball. And there's a lot to like. You are,

871
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, the coaching staff there, JB. Bickerstaff and crew

872
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: are doing a really good job in the first season,

873
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: which I love. I think it's it's kind of nice

874
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: that Cleveland took off when JB left, but also Detroit

875
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: has taken off as one of the rare win wins

876
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: where both coaches landed in the spot they should.

877
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that that speaks to just like

878
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: coaches and different expectations too. Like I think raising the

879
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: floor is what JB. Bickerstaff does. Raising a ceiling is

880
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: what Kenny Atkinson has done, and just two different jobs.

881
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: It's different, different ass for different teams. Yeah, I'm excited

882
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: about Detroit. They're a team that I'm gonna have to

883
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: get some eyes on. They're gonna be hind my list

884
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: to watch some NBA League pass. I'm sure they did

885
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: not exactly put them on a lot of national television

886
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: games here for us, but yeah, let's see some Detroit basketball.

887
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: The Indiana Pacers early this season. So Matt and I

888
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: did our Elite one hundred. We had Tyrese Haliburton fifth

889
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: on our list when we combined our list, neither one

890
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: of us actually had him that high, but we had

891
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: him fifth in the NBA and then he came out

892
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: and looked like absolute trash can for the first while

893
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: of the season. I was like, oh man, the Pacers

894
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: are cooked. Now you have them fourth best in the

895
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: East going forward. So tell me about the Pacers.

896
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Haliburt and I shall we talked through this on buckets.

897
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 2: I talked to her some buckets this past week. When

898
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: we're Joe and I each gave out a team to

899
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: kind of look out for, to kind of hit the

900
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: gas in the second half here Indiana. As I dug

901
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: in deeper, I was like, you know what, I don't

902
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: know if I want them to fully hit the gas,

903
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 2: but I do think that this is a pretty legitimate team,

904
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: and Haliburton was kind of at the center. I think

905
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Haliburton kind of goes viral when he has these zero

906
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: point games. I think, listen, I might be part of it.

907
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: The New York state media, state run media here, we've

908
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: got that's like Nick's propaganda everywhere. I know Haliburton is

909
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: not a popular guy. You know Wally's arabiak and his

910
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: famous comments there on Haliburt, So I think it fits

911
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: an easy narrative whenever he struggles. But overall he has

912
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: been very solid. But really what it is is this

913
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: is a team of depth in a league where depth

914
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: is great. I have Pascal Siakam, who has been genuinely outstanding.

915
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: He is in the ninety seventh percentile of on off

916
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: by cleaning the last this season. Andrew Nemhard has become

917
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: quietly this season a Jill and Johnson All Star. They

918
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: are twenty four and thirteen with Andrew Nemhard in the lineup.

919
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: This season. Nie Smith it has been good. They just

920
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: have a lot of decent, solid depth. You know, TJ

921
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: McConnell off the bench, Benedict Mathern knows his role perfectly.

922
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: He does decently. This is a top ten team both

923
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: offensive rating and defensive rating in the New Year. So

924
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: this is, to me, is just a really solid team.

925
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: I think that they like. Like, if you had to

926
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: tell me right now to pick who will be in

927
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: the set the four teams to be in the second round,

928
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: I would have Indiana in the second round because of

929
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: my questions about the Bucks. Now, if Giannice is there

930
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: and healthy, I'm gonna love picking the Bucks over the Base.

931
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: We love that matchup, of course exactly.

932
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: However, this India team is really solid. I will say

933
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: the one betting trend on them that I had though,

934
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: is actually a negative one. Ironically, they're really bad on

935
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: zero day's rest. They're two and six against the spread

936
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: with the worst spread differential. It's a somewhat small sample size,

937
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: let's not read into it too much, but they did right.

938
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: They headed into the break on a zero rest spot

939
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 2: against the Washington Wizards. It took overtime to beat them,

940
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 2: So I think that's something to keep an eye on

941
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: for a team the overall, I'm actually pretty high on Yeah.

942
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: I like that Indiana. I guess my question for you,

943
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: and we'll get to the final three teams here. You

944
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: sold me pretty well in Indiana. I'm wondering if Indiana

945
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: should have been maybe a tier up into this next group.

946
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: So let's get to your New York Knickerbockers alone and

947
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: a tier third for you.

948
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. This seer is called how much do two games matter?

949
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: And we could really even make this three games. But

950
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: the two games that the Knicks fans will be thinking

951
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: about this year is the two games against the Celtics.

952
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: This this wing stop Knicks team that was built to

953
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: stop these wings on Boston. They've lost by a combined

954
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: fifty points in those two Celtic games so far. Kat

955
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: was getting absolutely flombayed by Tatum out on the perimeter.

956
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: He scored twenty one points combined in those two games.

957
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: And listen, this is not to slander Cat entirely, because

958
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: this was a team wide problem. They struggled. But you

959
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: and I are both pretty big Cat skeptics. He has

960
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 2: been genuinely outstanding this regular season. He's been every good,

961
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: every bit as good as Joe when he immediately flipped

962
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: for up from being Kat is a fraud to being

963
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: Kat is the Goat. He's been as good as Joe

964
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: said he would be. The Knicks have been plus eight

965
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: point eight with him on the court, just plus one

966
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: point nine with him off. He has genuinely been awesome

967
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: and he has been a joy to watch, you know,

968
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: as a Knicks fan. I don't talk to this team

969
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: as a Knicks fan, but just watching I've been very

970
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: impressed with him. But those two Celtics losses loom pretty

971
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: large for me. They also lost to Cleveland and the

972
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: only match up those two have played this season, And

973
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: to me, the health is still a question. It feels

974
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: like a house of cards. I know that they have

975
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: stayed healthy, and I know there's people out there that

976
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: will say, you know, Tibbs makes you stronger, and the

977
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: more minutes it builds you up. Like Josh Hart is

978
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: a guy who came to New York not a healthy

979
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: player and now suddenly is an iron man. Same deal

980
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: with Brunston, picked up things here and there. He's suddenly

981
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: an iron man despite being an undersized guard off of

982
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: a long playoff run last year. Kat has had health

983
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: question marks. To me, there is a lot of question marks.

984
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: If this team is fully healthy, fully operational, I'm intrigued.

985
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: But the fully healthy, fully operational only really matters against

986
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: these top two teams, right if we're looking at the

987
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: true seal of the Knicks, they have to be able

988
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: to beat Boston Cleveland. So far, they've been at their

989
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: peak and they haven't been able to beat Boston Cleveland.

990
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: So to me, they're in kind of this nebulous tier.

991
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: Genuinely a very good team, and I do think better

992
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: than any of the other teams we've talked about so far,

993
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: but to what end really, you know, maybe maybe we're

994
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: overweighting a few games sample size here in the playoffs,

995
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: and I do because in a vacuum without those three games,

996
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: I actually do think that this Knicks team, especially if

997
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: they get Mitchell Robinson back, can can can be, you know,

998
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: if not in the same tier as Bosston Cleveland, pretty

999
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: pretty close. I really do like the theory of this

1000
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: next team fully healthy, fully operational, But if we haven't

1001
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: seen it, and it feels a little bit like a

1002
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: house of cards, I'm definitely having them a notable tier

1003
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: below these top two.

1004
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. I think that if I were

1005
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: to retier teams a little bit, I think Indiana belongs

1006
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: in the tier with the Next. I know it wasn't quite

1007
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: fit as well with your tier title obviously, like the

1008
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: two games thing and all. So I get that as

1009
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: far as we are ranking them on a regular season

1010
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: nine only, I can see the case for the next

1011
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: in the postseason, and their chance to make a run

1012
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: certainly looks like we're gonna get neck Celtics round two.

1013
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of where everything appears to be heading. But

1014
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: I think the I think the Next You've not sold

1015
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: me on them as much you sold me on the Pacers.

1016
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: I think they kind of belong together. We've got two

1017
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: teams left. I'm just gonna give you the floor to

1018
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: do maybe both teams here, because I think they have

1019
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: to be sort of relative to one another, your final

1020
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: tier in the same tier. Give me this Eastern Conference Finals.

1021
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: Talk to me about in whatever. Already you have them,

1022
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: the Celtics and the Caves.

1023
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So these two teams have played three games already.

1024
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: They've been decided by a combined six points. Each game

1025
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: has been a very narrow game, very fun game so far.

1026
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: I would love this Eastern Conference Finals. I'd love if

1027
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: Boston went out earlier and we could, you know, really

1028
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: kind of lean into our Boston our frauds takes. But

1029
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: I do think this genuinely would be an outstanding Eastern

1030
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: Conference Finals. And I do think that as of this second,

1031
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: it is where I would I would make the most

1032
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: likely outcome for the Eastern Conference. I'm gonna have I'm

1033
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: gonna start with and who I have second in this year.

1034
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: But this is framing for regular season, so I'll say that,

1035
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: and then maybe we can talk through, you know, this

1036
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: specific matchup if we get to see it in terms

1037
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: of the rest of the regular season. I think one

1038
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: pat one bet that I have been kind of looking at,

1039
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing a lot of people out there were

1040
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: kind of eyeing, is is this Knix division bet. If

1041
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 2: you look at some of the Sharper books, it's actually

1042
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: one of the few division bets you can actually get

1043
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: down on right now, and you can get a decent

1044
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: number on the Knicks. However, I'm not I'm not taking it.

1045
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: We're on Celtics before the season. They have a much

1046
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: easier rest of season schedule. They're kind of ramping up

1047
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: their health whereas again, the Knicks and I can say

1048
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: it the entire season. They can just stay healthy, that

1049
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: is totally a possibility. But it does feel like og

1050
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: and Andobi picked up something before the break Heart has

1051
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: been in and out a little bit. I'm not going

1052
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: to bother with betting that Knicks division. What I'm more

1053
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: interested in is looking into this matchup, specifically this Cleveland

1054
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: Boston matchup. Cleveland, I think they're encapsulated well by the

1055
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: fact that they're they're they're over in their games is

1056
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: thirty six and eighteen, So I think the mar thinks

1057
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: that there is a regression coming here. They are the

1058
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: top three point shooting team. We talked about it with Milwaukee.

1059
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: They shoot thirty nine point three percent from three. Not

1060
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: just against bad teams though, it's that they have the

1061
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: third best point differential and the best spread differential against

1062
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: top ten teams according to Clean the Glass. Even if

1063
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: I cherry pick the worst possible date, I always, you know,

1064
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: always joke about like cherry pick the date that makes

1065
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 2: the team look good the bad if you cherry pick

1066
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: the date to make them look the worst, which is

1067
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: right before their little mini three game losing streak, they

1068
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: had They're eight and fourth a plus eleven point seven

1069
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: near ratings since then, the best in the Eastern Conference

1070
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: by four point five points. So to me, this is

1071
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: hands down the best team for the rest of the

1072
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: regular season, and I almost could have even put them

1073
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: in a tier of their own. But I think that

1074
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: this is a very fitting tier if we wait the

1075
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: postseason just enough, just a little bit, and I do

1076
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that Boston kind of warms up

1077
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: and really starts to hit the gas here in the

1078
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: second half. What I think this very well may come

1079
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: down to is these is these close games. Boston has

1080
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: taken two of them so far, but overall, the record

1081
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: in the clutches that I've been looking at Boston has been,

1082
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, long maligned and recently unfairly. They're now sixteen

1083
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: to nine in the clutch with a plus seven point

1084
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: three net rating. That's very strong. Cleveland is otherworldly. They're

1085
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: sixteen and six with a plus thirty three point seven

1086
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: net rating. Now, a lot of that is beating up

1087
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: on bad teams and just pulling away late, but I

1088
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: think there is something to this Cleveland offense where Donvin Mitchell,

1089
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: Darius Garland, Darius Garland. Keep an eye on Darius Garland

1090
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: close games. He has an outside case at Clutch Player

1091
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: of the Year this season. He's playing outstanding basketball. My

1092
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: final bet my official final bet here, and maybe this

1093
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: is another one you don't have to rush. I don't

1094
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: think it's gonna move very much, but I do want

1095
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: to officially plant the flag. Here is Cleveland plus three

1096
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: thirty to win the Eastern Conference. I really like the matchup.

1097
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm not scared off by the fact that Boston took

1098
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: two out of three so far. I think that this

1099
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: Cleveland team is very legitimate. I think that they are

1100
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: going to get a very nice path to the conference

1101
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: finals as well, whereas Boston might have a little bit

1102
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: trickier path there. I just I think this Cleveland team

1103
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: is the real deal.

1104
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in the Calves. They have been good. I

1105
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: think to the overs mark that you mentioned over like

1106
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: two thirds of the time, basically to me, that's a

1107
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: little bit. I wonder too, if that's still thinking what

1108
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: the Calves used to be as this defensive team that

1109
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: could find just enough offense, kind of like the way

1110
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: that the Magic are thought about. But this offense has

1111
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: been a completely different thing. This year. Garland has clearly

1112
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: been a totally different player. He was a player Matt

1113
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: and I had a hard time ranking and one hundred

1114
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: is just like, okay, it is even in the hundred. Yeah,

1115
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: he clearly is now he's like probably in the top

1116
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: thirty or something. Here's my question for you, and it's

1117
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: a victory lap question. I got my Kenny Atkinson Coach

1118
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: of the Year ticket thirty to one. I'm obviously feeling

1119
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: great about it. I know it's like minus five seven

1120
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: hundred something like that. I don't love that he's so

1121
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: clearly obviously has to be the choice right now, because

1122
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: it does set up for like it can only go

1123
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: down from here, like if the Calves sort of fall

1124
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: off and become quote only the two seed behind the

1125
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Celtics or something like that, Like the ticket can only

1126
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: get worse. Do I need to be looking to hedge

1127
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: at all with Kenny? Or is that ticket looking the cash?

1128
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: You have them number one, so I assume you expect

1129
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: them to get to the one seats?

1130
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: Tell yeah? And will you do you have the odds

1131
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: up there in front of you for Coach of the Year.

1132
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't buy What names are you thinking about? Well?

1133
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: So It's mostly that I'm curious if the name that

1134
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: is in second right now, I'm kind of guessing the

1135
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: name that in second is a name where I am

1136
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: lower on the team and actually think that you don't

1137
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: necessarily have to worry about. Is if Emeo Udoko is

1138
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: second on that list. Houston is a team that I

1139
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: am very fine baiting down the stretch. So if he

1140
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 2: is the second one, I'm trying to think who else

1141
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: could really pop here, just kind of on the fly.

1142
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to hedge, I think is

1143
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: the short answer. I think that the case could be

1144
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: made that if Okac, you know, if if Cleveland fads

1145
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: and Okac, you know, runs out to sixty five wins,

1146
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: maybe there's a case there.

1147
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: Let me give you some names. So coach of the year,

1148
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at fan duel Kenny Atkinson minus

1149
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: seven hundred. Udoka twelve to one is next.

1150
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: JB.

1151
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: Bickerstaff fifteen to one is next. Taylor Jenkins twenty five

1152
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: to one. Then Mark Dagnault. Dangnault doesn't really fit. We

1153
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: knew the thunder were gonna be good. Jenkin's not gonna

1154
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: get to the one seed. Those names don't scare me.

1155
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: Bicker's staff isn't the usual formula, but he does kind

1156
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: of fit the TIBs formula that one. So I think

1157
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: bicker Staff and Hudoka are probably the two threats. Do

1158
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: you feel like either of those? Do I need a

1159
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: bicker Staff nibble?

1160
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: You know what, I wouldn't mind Bickers because I am

1161
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: high on Detroit. I would so say you put one

1162
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: unit before the scene. What was Kenny twenty five to one?

1163
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: Basically I was thirty to one.

1164
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: I've got a half unit on him, so I'm I'm

1165
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: for fifteen units profits, So maybe one unit on JB.

1166
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: You hate to lose the Calves bet to the Calves coach.

1167
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: That would not be a fun way to well.

1168
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: I think that's the exact way to do it. Sprinkle

1169
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: a little bit on JB and just a lot. Then

1170
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: you don't even know. I think you don't even have

1171
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: to think about because I I'm lower on Houston the

1172
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: rest of the way, and I think, like we said,

1173
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: they don't really the other two coaches don't really fit

1174
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: the bill.

1175
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's do a little lightning round big picture here.

1176
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Had five questions I gave you, gave you a little

1177
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: time to think about these, So we'll do like a

1178
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: minute one each and get out of here. First question,

1179
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: give me yes, no odds if you're the betting market

1180
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: on the Eastern Conferences any two of Celtics Calves next,

1181
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: those are your top three teams. Obviously, right now the

1182
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: Calves are set as the one seed, so yes, no

1183
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 1: odds on the Eastern Conference finals being two of those three.

1184
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So if we talk this out, basically, the theory

1185
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: is like Cleveland I feel very good about, and if

1186
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: you feel very good about Cleveland, the path suddenly becomes

1187
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: like this should be minus a very very large number.

1188
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: So I'll say that the Bucks. You know, theoretically it

1189
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: would be a Bucks. It would have to be the

1190
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: Bucks coming from the four to five, and then someone

1191
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: else random coming from or and then we get yeah, sorry,

1192
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: and it would be it basically is a Buck set.

1193
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: And so I think that the Bucks, because we do

1194
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: think that their ceiling is a theoretically decent one, I

1195
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: would set this around something like a minus three hundred

1196
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 2: plus three hundred, and I'd probably bet the minus three

1197
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: hundred side of it. But the Bucks part of it

1198
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: does make me a little bit nervous.

1199
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: Okay, that's kind of what I was thinking. Like, this

1200
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: to me is a question. I'm like, all right, lot,

1201
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: how much East do I really have to pay attention to?

1202
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: Hasn't it really just these three teams gonna be fighting

1203
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: at the end, and I think we're probably headed that way.

1204
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Question two, same thing. Give me the price team to

1205
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: advance further in the playoffs, Calves or Knicks.

1206
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: I would set this hardly towards the Calves side. I

1207
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: would have it Calves about you know, minus three hundred,

1208
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: four hundred maybe as well. Again, they have the easier path,

1209
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: and they are the team I trust far far more.

1210
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: I do think there is you know, the the Knicks

1211
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: were created as this wing stole. There is a theoretical

1212
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: version of this team that can match up well with Boston.

1213
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: We just haven't seen it. And that's with them being

1214
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: you know, fully operational, like we said before. So on

1215
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: the flip side of it, I really love I love

1216
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: this Cavs team, and there is not much doubt in

1217
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: my mind of you know, those first the first round,

1218
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: for sure, someone like a Philly is not going to

1219
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: scare me. And then that four or five, if we

1220
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: get the Bucks fully healthy, that is the fear, but

1221
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: there's a decent chance the Knicks go out in that

1222
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: round as well, So I think it's very heavily towards

1223
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: the Cavs side of it.

1224
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the way the bracket shapes up, it's

1225
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: hard to see the Knicks dropping down to the four

1226
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: or five, so they're probably gonna have to play Boston.

1227
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: It's hard to see Cleveland dropping below Boston, so it's

1228
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: just a matchup thing at that point, and New York

1229
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: probably has to beat the Celtics for this bet to

1230
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: really be in play against you all right, number three

1231
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: price this series, Boston this year, Boston last year, and

1232
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of coral air. Are you more or less confident

1233
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: in the Celtics right now than you were at the

1234
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. As far as coming out of

1235
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: the East, I'm.

1236
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: Really excited because to me, this is like basically a

1237
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: coin flip. I think the flip side of you know,

1238
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: you can say, experience kind of cancels out with worn

1239
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: out legs, having KP around a little bit longer, a

1240
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: little bit like Parzingis has been healthier. This season wears

1241
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: out within you know, another year on what's not the

1242
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: youngest roster in the world like that, those to me

1243
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: kind of all cancel and listen. I want a chance

1244
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: to run back my Boston fraud takes. I'm so excited

1245
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: for we might get a chance to be able to

1246
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: see them against an Eastern conference that I think we'll

1247
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: see how the break, the bracket break out, and maybe

1248
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, someone you know, Donovan Mitchell will roll an

1249
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: ankle in the second round and it'll it'll all happen

1250
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: all over again, and our nightmares will be will be

1251
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 2: true again. But I think this is a really nice

1252
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: chance to get to see a very Boston team. I yeah,

1253
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: let's go plus one hundred, plus one hundred either side,

1254
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: no juice. I think is very similar. There's some there's

1255
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: some pros to each and some cons to each. I

1256
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: think that it's a very very good team that's very

1257
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: similar to last season, and especially when we look at

1258
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: it postseason wise, I think regular season last last year's

1259
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: team was definitely better. I know there was a tweet

1260
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: going around a couple of days ago that was, you know,

1261
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: cherry picking some numbers showing how similar they were. They've

1262
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: they've gotten worse. They definitely are a little bit worse

1263
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: as a regular season team, but with porzingis more, you know,

1264
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: healthier for a longer stretch of time. This season, I

1265
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: think all things even out to them being about the same.

1266
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: I want another chance of them going through the Eastern

1267
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: Conference and even the finals, especially to see you know,

1268
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: we're we're. I'll count it as a win because I am.

1269
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm petty and willing to take wins as I can

1270
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: get them, to see if we get this Boston team

1271
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: one more time.

1272
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: I love that the Book of Jim taking No Juice

1273
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: plus a houndred. Either way, that's what the people need.

1274
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: I like that to me. The question on are you

1275
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: more or less confident? My instinct is that I feel

1276
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: worse about the Celtics this year than last year's team,

1277
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: But I also feel worse about their competition this year

1278
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: than I would have last year. But maybe the Calves

1279
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: are the answer to that, and I should feel a

1280
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: little differently. So that's that's the thing I'm gonna need

1281
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: to figure out. Question four. I think you kind of

1282
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: answered this one already. Most likely to win a playoff

1283
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: series this year your Orlando Magic, your Atlanta Hawks, or

1284
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: you'll go on Detroit Pistons.

1285
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's give shield a shout here. This is this

1286
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: is definitely definitely the Detroit Pistons. I think it's gonna

1287
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: be really tough for I probably go, you know, even

1288
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: though they're my Hawks, I put them third kind of

1289
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: notably in that in that ranking, I don't think the

1290
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 2: ceiling of this Hawks team, even with Trey, They're gonna

1291
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: have to They're gonna have to face one of those

1292
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: top few teams. I don't see them being able to

1293
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: take out one of those teams. Orlando have a little

1294
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: bit more interest. We talked about the Boston matchup being

1295
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: a tough one at times for Boston, but Detroit is

1296
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: if they can move up into that five spot. If

1297
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: Milwaukee has no Jannis for a little bit, Detroit versus Indiana,

1298
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 2: that's it's not coin flip. I would probably skew towards Indiana,

1299
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: especially they had that strong postseason run. We saw it

1300
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: from them last year. But that's going to be a

1301
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: way better case than I can make for Orlando or Atlanta.

1302
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: So I will go with the Detroit Pistons.

1303
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: I love it all right. Last one, question five, you

1304
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: found a crystal ball. You can see into the future

1305
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: the future playoff performance of any three East players for

1306
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: just this season? Who are your three packs? Make the case?

1307
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: I love this question so much. This was the most

1308
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 2: branding question ever and my so I was like, oh,

1309
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: this is good, this is good. You know, it's kind

1310
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: of funny. I think a lot of people might say,

1311
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, the Boston is the favorite, and now let's

1312
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 2: see some Boston players. To me, Boston is like part

1313
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: of what I am so skeptical about them at times

1314
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: is that they just have such a high floor. But

1315
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: I think the ceiling isn't all that much high. I

1316
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm going to get from Tatum, I know

1317
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: what I'm going to get from Dylan Brown. They're very,

1318
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: very good players. I'm far more here. I'm going to

1319
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: be paint my number one Karl Anthony Towns. He has

1320
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: been genuinely like like first team All NBA level player

1321
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: during the regular season, but in those big games he

1322
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: has still struggled in the postseason. The past we've seen him.

1323
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: Last year it started to click and then he had

1324
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: a terrible series. So he, to me, is the biggest

1325
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: variable on a team that could break up what seems

1326
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: like a Cleveland Boston Conference finals. My second player, I'm

1327
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: going to focus on that conference finals. I'm my theoretical

1328
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: conference finals Darius Garland. I talked about him earlier and

1329
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: how good he has been in the clutch, and we

1330
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: talked about, you know, how much he has moved up

1331
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: the player rankings in general. I've been incredibly impressed with him.

1332
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: And this is a player who I long had been on.

1333
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: Last year was a little dicey. I think that at

1334
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: this point I am pretty comfortable saying that was he

1335
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: was playing through injury and the things were just not

1336
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: great for him. It was kind of a lost season.

1337
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: I think this is a really talented young player and

1338
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: who has a feel for the clutch, and I think

1339
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: that that kind of clutch regular season translates pretty well

1340
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: to postseason. In general, I think he's going to be

1341
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: an outstanding playoffs. How high I am on him is

1342
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: part of why I'm so high on the Cavs. I

1343
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: really trust that they have, you know, two legitimate stars,

1344
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: a you know right there sub sub to your star,

1345
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: and Evan Mobley and Jared Allen, who's a very decent player.

1346
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: Now that fifth, that fifth spot's always a little bit suss,

1347
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think either of us are the highest

1348
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: on DeAndre Hunter. But they have a lot of pieces

1349
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: they can slot in there. They can slot in Strue

1350
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: if they need some shooting, they can shoot, slot in

1351
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: Marrel if they need even more shooting. But this for

1352
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: this team, that that is a very good fit. So

1353
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: those will be my top two. The third I struggled with.

1354
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: I was like, should I pick a sixer? And I

1355
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'm They're plus three hundred

1356
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, Why waste the spot on them.

1357
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Haliburton. We're gonna focus, you know,

1358
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: really on those top tier of teams here Detroit. If

1359
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: they're making a run, it's gonna be through Kid. We

1360
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: know that Indiana again as a team that has the

1361
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: good depth. If they're going to make a run in

1362
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: the postseason, it's gonna be via a Star. We know

1363
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: their floor is pretty solid. Haliburton is kind of the

1364
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: ceiling to me. You've got You've mentioned that the you

1365
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: know in this episode, having him top five and player

1366
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: rankings at one point in the season. He hasn't been

1367
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: that so far, but I do think there is still

1368
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: a lot there, and I do think he will be

1369
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: what drives the ultimate ceiling of this Indiana team, both

1370
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: this year and in the future. So if we want

1371
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: to see another run from them to the conference finals,

1372
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: it's Caliburton's going to have to be playing really outstanding basketball,

1373
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: and then the you know, the pieces around him are

1374
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: going to have to be as solid as they can be.

1375
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: So if there's a surprise team there, I do maintain

1376
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: I think it could be potentially the Pacers. I guess

1377
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: that the cop out would be, you know, give me

1378
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: honest and just tell me if he's healthy, that's not

1379
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: that's not sure. I don't want I want to use

1380
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: my crystal Ball for stats and not health, So I'll

1381
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: go with those three guys. Yeah.

1382
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: Now, I think those are really good choices. I think

1383
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: Cat it makes a lot of sense as a choice.

1384
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would use my crystal Ball

1385
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: and Cat. I feel like I can just use my

1386
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: last ten years of watching Kat on Kat. But maybe

1387
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: that's why you need the crystal Ball. Still, he's been

1388
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: awesome this year. To me my answer, I think those

1389
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: are three really strong answers. I would add Dame to

1390
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: the last. Maybe this was just me not giving up

1391
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: yet on Milwaukee. I know what Yanni says, I don't

1392
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: know if he's healthy, but I know what he's going

1393
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,479
Speaker 1: to do if he's healthy. Is their aversion of Dame

1394
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Time still happening in there? And that's what I can't

1395
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: quite give up yet on this team, as if that's

1396
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: still in there, they can now have the best maybe

1397
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: two players any series, any given night on the court

1398
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: in the East. And that still makes them, to me

1399
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: at least a wild card that I can't quite quit.

1400
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: So Dame to me, just I think before the season

1401
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: I said the same thing, just like as a crystal

1402
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: ball player, what version is in there? And I think

1403
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: I probably know the answer. I think it's not the

1404
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: answer that I excited want it to be as a fan,

1405
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: but I think Dame Time would be on the list

1406
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: as well.

1407
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,360
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