1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. We have 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: another mini in depth today and man, are we excited 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: to have the man of the hour Matt James joining 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: us and my husband Jared will be filling in for 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Ben and then couldn't be here. I'm like, plan, I'm 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: honored to be planned b behind Ben. I feel like 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm playing j um Well Matt. Jared has been fan 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: boying over you for the past five weeks now, so 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: I thought that he would be the perfect person to 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: come because like he literally he like gets smiley watching 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: He's like, man, this guy, this guy got it. Dude. 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: You just got like great vibes about you. You know, 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: like you're authentic, You're You're endearing. I think that's your 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: best quality. You're so endearing. I love Ashley and I 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: were talking about before the season about how you weren't 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: a part of the franchise beforehand, and I feel like 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: I love that now because watching you go through this 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: process for the first time along with the women, I 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: feel like creates a bond between you and your girls 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: that previous leads haven't had. Yeah, I feel that I 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: feel thank you, Jared, I, Um, there there was times 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: where I was I would tell the women, I'm like, listen, 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: like it might look like I don't know what I'm 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: doing because I don't like I'm figuring this out like 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: y'all are, and and and being able to bond on 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: that was nice just because I felt like they didn't 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: feel as much of outsiders as as someone might have 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: if someone had been in their shoes and been on 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the other side. And I was just dealing with everything 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: that came up like any normal person would if if 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: they were thrown into the Phrakes. So uh, Ashley saw 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: that during our our love story reading that you know, 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: that's I don't think that's something that you can prepare for, 35 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: regardless of that you've been on the show or not. 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: So uh, it was. It's been a lot of fun here. 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: Were there any instances where you were like, oh man, 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: it would have been very helpful to have had more experience. Um, 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: I'll say that for the rose ceremony, Like the rose 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: ceremony is the most daunting thing for me, Like I 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: I get short of breath because it's just like I'm 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: sending women home for the most part, who are incredible 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: women who I could see myself with, but there's only 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: one one ring at the end of it. It's like, 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: how do I tell you that you're not my person 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: without like crushing you? And there really isn't a way 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: to do it, and that was that was tough. Um. 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that there would have been a way 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: to prepare for that. We're talking about how endearing you are. 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: I think one of the most endearing qualities is that, like, 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: you have all the elements in which you could be 52 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: like a total player, but you don't have a player 53 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: bone in your body. And even the producers when they 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: were telling me about you beforehand, they're like, I think 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: this guy is far more innocent in relationships and dating 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: than we thought he'd be. I think you need to 57 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: be smooth to have that, and I don't have it. 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, uh, I just I just try 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: to act as normal as possible, and it's hard when 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: like things are happening that are are not normal. But 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: I think that I doubled down on just how I 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: was raised and and the conversations I had with Wells 63 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: and Ben and Sean Low before the fact, so that 64 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: I would have some sort of idea of how they 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: handled it, and um, the short answer is im perfect. 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: It's an imperfect process for for everybody knows you've got 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: to find how it works for you. There's no one 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: on the right way to do. Everyone has their own 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: way of figuring it out. What was the best piece 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: of advice one of those guys gave you. I think 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: the best advice I got was just it's so basic, 72 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: h Tyler is just like you know where your feet are, 73 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: and that's just like basically saying, be yourself. And there 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: would be conversations that I'd be in where someone would 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: pose a question and I'm just thinking of my head, like, Okay, 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: how could I give the most articulate, like poetic, thoughtful answer, 77 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: But like I don't have that, you know, and like 78 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: all I have is like my lived experiences and like 79 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: who I am as a person. So my answers were 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: just candid, and it's like it might not have been 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: what they were looking for, but it was what they 82 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: needed to hear through. Tyler. You struck up a relationship 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: a friendship with Hannah Brown. Did you ask her for advice? 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: And what's the status of your friendship now? Hannah is 85 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: my girl? I I talked to hand on a regular basis. 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: I actually met her her new boyfriend, who's incredible and 87 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: thanks for spilling the tanks for giving some confirmation there. Yeah, 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: he's he's awesome and and she's happy and she deserves 89 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: to be happy. And the questions that I was asking 90 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: her were just like what to expect? How did you 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: know when you were feeling something? And she was just 92 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: a sounding board and it was It meant so much 93 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: to have someone like that who's again been through it 94 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: on through the highest highs and low flads of what 95 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: uh what can come with with putting yourself out there? 96 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: And uh, it made me more equipped for what I 97 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: was bound to handle. Did she at all suggests that 98 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Heather Morris come on the show? I don't know. No, wait, 99 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: we're not gonna. I think I'm talking about the girl 100 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: from Glen Alright, So yeah, did she have influence because 101 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: Heather and her are so close. Um, it wasn't something 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I was aware of, you know, I was just a 103 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: shock when she pulled up, as everyone else was. And uh, 104 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: I think that it makes for a very interesting conversation 105 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 1: next week. Oh yeah, I mean it makes for great TV. 106 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: How did you how did you and Tyler become friends? 107 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't even know. Wait for so so. I was 108 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: a year older than Tyler, and but Tyler graduated high 109 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: school of semester early. He was he gray shirted, so 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: like like instead of going into his springs uh semester 111 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: as a senior in high school, he graduated in the 112 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: fall and he came to Wake as a freshman because 113 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: he's so smart. What no, Uh, Tyler is actually very smart. 114 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: People don't give him enough credit. He was he was 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: He was the a CEC debate team champion. Wow. Good 116 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: for Tyler. He has the he has the hardware to 117 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: prove it. He got his masters from the f a U. 118 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: He's he's sharp. But but no, I was walking it 119 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: to his dorm and I saw him walking in with 120 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: all the stuff. I introduced myself and like, yo, you 121 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: must be the new QB because he's he's huge. He's 122 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: like six five, like two thirty. I'm like, listen, we're 123 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: going on a trip to South Carolina. I was with 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: like a few of other guys on the team. Never 125 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: met him in my entire life. I'm like, would you 126 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: want to join us? He's like, yeah, let me just 127 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: put my stuff down. It's just stuff down. We could 128 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: have been like anybody, gets in the car with us, 129 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: ride six hours with us down to USC and we 130 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: had one of the best weekends of our life. And 131 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: that's far our friendship. So Tyler's extremely good looking six 132 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: four quarterback, graduated high school early because he's so intelligent. 133 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Head of the debate debate team. Yeah, screw this guy. 134 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: He's like two perfect, he's got a rescue Yeah, he's 135 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't give himself enough credit. Yeah, he's actually really smart. 136 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Speaking of Tyler, did you have any issue 137 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: with him selling shirts with your naked body on it? 138 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: That was so funny that picture. I had no problem 139 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: with it because that picture brings back so many fond 140 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: memories of just spending a very tough time and in 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: not only our country's history, but in Tyler's life together. 142 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: That was like a like a month or so after 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: his mom had passed, and we were just trying to 144 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: find any way to entertain ourselves. And we freaking got 145 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: a tarp from his uh, from his shed. We put 146 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: don dish soap all over, we had the hoses running, 147 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: We had the neighborhood's biggest slipping slide everyone was it 148 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: was it was a blast, like we were just trying 149 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: to find ways to entertain ourselves. Tyler's mom was actually 150 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: the one who nominated you to be on The Bachelorette 151 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: Claire's season, Um, and then you did. You spent I'm assuming, 152 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: like just months in that quarantine crew, um, kind of 153 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: just being there for him. What was it like in 154 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: that house because on Instagram and on TikTok we see 155 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: it was just like looks like fun and games, but 156 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a lot of heavy moments as well. Yeah, 157 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone on the show if it hadn't 158 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: been for Tyler's mom, Um, And she was so adamant 159 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: about me being part of this experience because she saw 160 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: what he did for Tyler and the man that he 161 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: has continued to become into as he dealt with everything 162 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: that he did with his relationship with Hannah and going 163 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: out there and putting himself out in the open and 164 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: airing out a lot of the things that he's probably 165 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: never spoken about. And I just felt like I owed 166 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: it to her after everything that happened, to see it 167 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: through for her, And who would have thought that I 168 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: would end up in this position as the bachelor. But uh, 169 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: you know, I was out there for Claire season and 170 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: in a hotel quarantining ready to go to the mansion. 171 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: And that week everything hit the fan of the country. 172 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: The a C, the n C doul A tournament ended, 173 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: they canceled, uh, Premier League soccer. Like when I saw 174 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: these things happen, I'm like like, I'm like, how are 175 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: we gonna show with all this other stuff? And then 176 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: they send him home and uh, that time in the house. 177 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: To answer your question, actually was it was? It was? 178 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: It was. It was big because Tyler would never say it, 179 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: but um, I think he enjoyed having us around, and 180 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: I think his his brothers enjoyed having us around, because 181 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: you know, when you go through something like that, how 182 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: do you cope? How do you how do you move 183 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: past that? And you gotta surround yourself with people who 184 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: love you and care about you. And that's what he 185 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: did it and um and ultimately you know, we we 186 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: we drove each other crazy and we had blow ups, 187 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: but the culmination of that was just like strengthening our 188 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: friendship and and just building a bond that is can't 189 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: be broken. Maybe it was kind of like his mom's 190 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: the angel just kind of bless you with that lead 191 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: role after all of it. She had to have something 192 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: to do with it, No one, no one, Miss Cameron. 193 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: If she had anything to do with what's taken place 194 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: that those past six months after coming back from California, 195 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: it had to had her touch on it, because the 196 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: way that things fell into place, it just couldn't have 197 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: been anything else but a miracle. To be honest with you, 198 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: that's amazing. I want to know when you got the 199 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: phone call about being the Bachelor, because I'm not gonna 200 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: toot my own horn, but I'm gonna too my own horn. 201 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: I called it. I told her a week before you 202 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: were announced, because we were talking about we were like, 203 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: who's the next Bachelor? And I was like, I think 204 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: they're just gonna pull Matt off Claire season to make 205 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: him the Bachelor, And so I was right. Um, So 206 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: was it a build up? Did you start getting phone 207 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: calls from producers saying like, hey, we don't really know 208 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, but would you at all be interested? 209 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: Or was it just one day they called and really like, hey, 210 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: do you want to be the Bachelor? Yeah? Basically it 211 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: was the Ladder, like I just because I hadn't heard 212 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: from anybody in a while. And I'm just like, dang, 213 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: I guess like I'm not gonna be going on the 214 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: bachelorret Like I'm gonna be headed back to New York 215 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: getting back to work with commercial real estate. And I 216 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: got a call from a number that I had I 217 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: didn't have on my phone, hadn't spoke to this person ever. 218 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: And they're like, Hey, I'm so and so from whatever, 219 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: uh you have a second talking to me? How did 220 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: you feel about being the badge player? And I'm like what, 221 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm not supposed to be on the back strett, 222 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? And they're just like no, 223 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: like how did you? And I thought it was a 224 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: joke and I'm like no, I'm like thank you, and 225 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like that was a weird call. And then 226 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the next day I got a call back. It's like, hey, 227 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: like we talked yesterday, like just wanted to make sure 228 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: that this isn't something that you're actually interested in. And 229 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, y'all serious and they're like yeah, because 230 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: it was such like a random like I feel like 231 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: that process is like like you write an essay you have, 232 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: like your your freaking middle school teacher, right, you let 233 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: a recommendation like I don't know what the process was 234 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: to applying or be in that person. So when I 235 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: was going through it for myself, it just seemed like 236 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: too surreal for it to be that much of an 237 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: easy flowing thing. But I guess they had done their 238 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: homework for me being on the Mastaurette and it worked 239 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: out your season more than ever we have gotten asked 240 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: do the producers make you keep certain girls around for 241 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: a while, because there's no way he wanted to keep Victoria. 242 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to ask you that question directly 243 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: that would be inappropriate. However, how relieved were you when 244 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: she left? You know, to be honest with you, actually, UM, 245 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: I was reacting to information in real time, like and 246 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: every when everyone's fouting this information out, I'm finding it out. 247 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: And UM, you just hope that when you're going through 248 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: something like this, everyone's respectful of one another, because when 249 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: it starts to bleed, when your actions starts to affect 250 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: up people and they're removing their tone and their willingness 251 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: to be open, and that's when I've got to say something. 252 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: And up in and made aware to me that that 253 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: was going on. Then it makes my job easier because 254 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's something you've got to act on, and 255 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's it's just a tell, tell 256 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: that they can be part of that that journey for 257 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: you anymore. So it's unfortunate that that's how people had 258 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: to leave. You know, I don't think Anna's a bad person. 259 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: It's uh, it was a last and judgment, it seems, 260 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that she could learn from it and 261 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: going forward it's not something that she ever has to 262 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: deal with again. Yeah, his Anna, as he notes, is 263 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: definitely not a bad person. Um, we need to give 264 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: our other co host, who is not here currently because 265 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: he's doing a big book tour for his book. Um, 266 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: but he has recorded a couple of questions for you, 267 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: so they're going to play that audio. Let's do it. Well. 268 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: My first question for you, Matt is, uh, you know, 269 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: we we talked way before the season started about how 270 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: you can control your reaction and you can kind of 271 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: explain that, uh to actually what we kind of talked 272 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: about there. But obviously, uh, you know, a headline came 273 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: out this last week. Uh, that said, you know, Ben 274 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: Higgins says, Matt James has no clue what's going on, 275 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: And we talked about that. You know what I meant 276 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: is that, hey, when you're as the lead in the house, 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: you don't know all the things happening with the content essence. 278 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: You don't see it, you don't hear it, you don't 279 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: experience it. So until it's brought to your attention, you 280 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: have no clue what's going on in the house. That's fair, 281 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: That's just what happened. So my question for you is this, 282 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: when did you finally find out that there was a 283 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: toxic environment going on the house? And then as you 284 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: walk through the next steps to take, like how did 285 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: you process through that? What was the right thing to do? 286 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: How are you going to confront it? Uh? And then uh, 287 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: were you overwhelmed in that moment that that feel heavy 288 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: to you? Wasn't confusing to you? Or do you have 289 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: a pretty clear idea of what you wanted to do? 290 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: That's a great question. Um, thank you. Then you stumped Matt. 291 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: I'll say this that, Um the first thing Ben said, 292 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean he's spot on whenever. Uh, that that's part 293 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: that's par for the course in the world that we're 294 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: in now is is people are gonna take your words 295 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: and and they're gonna spin them into things that aren't 296 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: the context that they were meant and me and been 297 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: uh talking a regular basis, and we had a conversation 298 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: about that, and and there was no offense taken to 299 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: that article because what he was saying was right, Like, 300 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have an idea what was going on in 301 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: the house, you know. And when I did have an 302 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: idea is when I acted on it. And that was 303 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: that following day at the Rose ceremony. And to his 304 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: question about, um, how did you what steps did you 305 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: take in terms of knowing the proper course of action? 306 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: The biggest thing I wanted to do was I didn't 307 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: want an H and Victoria to feel like horrible people, 308 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: you know. I didn't want to alienate them. I wanted 309 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: to make sure that you went about this in the 310 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: right way so that it's a teaching moment and it's 311 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: not h this attack on them, because I don't think 312 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: that's the proper way to go about anything. Just in 313 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: my life, whenever someone's taught me a lesson or whenever 314 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: someone's brought something into my attention, I've been the most 315 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: receptive when it's in love, and you know, that's how 316 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: I tried to approach those conversations, just like making them 317 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: aware of how they made people feel, and that you know, 318 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: going forward, that probably isn't the best way to to 319 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: navigate a relationship. And unfortunately we don't have that luxury 320 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: of time to you know, have that second chance because 321 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of deserving women who have done everything 322 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: the right way, who who deserved that time, and and 323 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: and honestly, wasn't that difficult of a decision knowing that 324 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: I have these incredibly women who are waiting to get 325 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: to know me. Well, I'm gonna wrap this up by 326 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: doing something that my mom used to do with us 327 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: when we were having crushes on people. She said that 328 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: you can't stay the person that you love's name without smiling. 329 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: So I'm going to run off some of the girls 330 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: names that I feel like we're going to make your 331 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: top five ish and I want to see how starright 332 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: of a phase you can keep Alright, ready, hold on, 333 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Let me let me take a 334 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: deep breath. Let me just say, with Ben's voice coming through, 335 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: did anybody else think that was like the voice of 336 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: God for a second. Dar, I'm just like, yeah, I 337 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is the moment right here, God 338 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: has spoken to me. All right, you got your smiles out, okay, 339 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: pipera Brie, Abigail, Oh god, oh he bumped his head. Um, Rachel, Rachel, 340 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: he really had to try, but you had to try 341 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: too hard. There he's trying. He's good, Chelsea, chel Oh, wow, 342 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: smile there too, Victoria, the big all we got him 343 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: comes back? All right. Not you're a pleasure. You're a pleasure, 344 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and we just feel like you handle everything with such 345 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: great grace and warmth and we're so proud to call 346 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: you the president of our franchise right now. It's it's 347 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: been it's been wanting to be, uh in this position, 348 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: knowing that you know, people like yourself and Jared and 349 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Ben and Sean have been in similar positions, and um, 350 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: all all I try to do every week is is 351 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: the best that I can do, and I fall short constantly, 352 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: But um, it's it's been a learning experience and I'm 353 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: hoping that uh it paves the way for people who 354 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: look like me to be in this position more often. 355 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: So well, I think your best is good enough. Man, 356 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: You're awesome, So thanks for joining us. Thank you so much, 357 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: keep for having me. Bye. Well, I guess it's only 358 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: appropriate that I wrapped this interview up because who the 359 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: hell knows when I'm going to be on Almost Famous again. 360 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: This is my last chance to plug Help I Suck 361 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: a Dating another I Heart Radio podcast with myself and 362 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: Dean unglerd as the host. So if you're ever looking 363 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: for just like a little casual dating talk, some laughs 364 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: and living and loving, check out Help I Suck a Dating, 365 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: you can find it wherever you listen to your podcast, 366 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: which is right now. I thought that you would wrap 367 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: up with like talking about what your fan fanboy dreams 368 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: were achieved. I know, I I kind of did fanboy 369 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: a little bit over Matt Dude. He's just awesome. He's 370 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: so endearing, and I forgot to ask him the most 371 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: important question of all, which is I'm curious if the 372 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: investment invested in Game Stop this past week. But I'm 373 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: glad that we're able to talk to him for a while. 374 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: He's just an awesome, awesome guy, and and I love 375 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: him and Tyler's friendship. I remember first watching the Quarantine 376 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: Crew and being almost like yeah, and it was like, 377 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: what is this, what's going on there to like always 378 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: have their shirts off, but learning more and more, not 379 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: say having your shirts off is terrible, but like as 380 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: someone who doesn't have six you know, as a guy, 381 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: it's a little jealous. Yeah, it's like I want to 382 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: look like those dudes put a shirt on your embarrassing 383 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: me um. But learning more and more about their friendship. 384 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: I I just love it. I love Tyler and Matt's 385 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: friends friendship and and everything it represents, and and uh, 386 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it's cool. It's just really cool. And I 387 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: love that Matt's a bachelor and not I don't want 388 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: to put down previous bachelors, but it feels like it's 389 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: been a little while since we've had someone like Matt 390 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: as the lead who's like not but like put together, 391 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like he's a man, you know, 392 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: like Matt's a man. Yeah, Jared smiling while saying that, Yeah, 393 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: I like, I like, you know, I don't know how 394 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: it's because I don't want to put down other people, 395 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: and and that's not my intention. It's just it shows 396 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: how much I love Matt as the lead. Like that 397 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: dude is a he's a man. Yes, he has women 398 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: and men just kind of being like, that's what i'd 399 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: want to be with or that's what i'd want to 400 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: be Oh totally yeah. Um, so we're just wishing him 401 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: the best of luck. Uh and it was really cool 402 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: talking to him for a while. All Right, do you 403 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: know how we signed off on this show. I've been 404 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: I've been Jared. I don't know why I said it twice. 405 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: Apparently I've been really Jared say it three times. I've 406 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: been shared, I've been Mr Ashley I you guys, that's 407 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: the actual name of his business, And I've been Ashley 408 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: hikeneddie Haven by guys. Followed the Benn and Ashley I 409 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever you 410 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts.