WEBVTT - MNF Doubleheader Recap + Week 16 Rookie Draft 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:06.519 And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:07.840 What's up, everybody? 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.559 Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck with you Buck? 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:16.040 We went matching matching sweatshirts today. Yeah are and I 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.120 was having the coffee and you're having a coffee here, 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.320 So I feel like the brand. Yeah, we are representing 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.079 the brand, that's right. But we're kind of on the 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.200 same page here this morning. How was your night last night? 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.360 Did you get a chance to watch those ball games? 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.600 I mean I did have a chance to watch both 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:30.880 of them. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.600 I'm in North Carolina hanging with my parents, so I 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.280 got a chance to watch the Vikings in Chicago paid 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.080 more attention to than the Raiders. I called the end 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.320 of the Raiders game for the most part, but it 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.360 was interesting the Minnesota Vikings keep rolling the Bears r 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:46.800 ms and oh. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.000 My gosh, job, we're gonna get a job. Yeah, that 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.360 job is gonna be a tougher job than everyone thinks 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.240 about it, no doubt. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.400 It's time for the lead block presented by T Mobile 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.320 for Business. Football needs a network willing to go to 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.640 the extra yards. So do you go further? With T 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.120 Mobile for Business. It's interesting read right, there coming into 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.320 this game because we start on the bear side of things. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.360 I was trying to think of, like, Okay, all the 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.720 different things they need to fix and the problems they 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.000 need to solve in the off season, But the number 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.480 one thing Buck is they've got to fix the Wi Fi. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.440 They because we've talked about this like that Caleb is 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.960 having these freeze moments. Like if you've been on your 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.479 Wi Fi and the Wi Fi freezes, that's what's going 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.679 on with Caleb. They got to get that out of him. Man, 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.640 where he's just like a glitching, He's just kind of stuck. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.000 He's got to get unstuck in the offseason. It's one 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.280 of the more it's a weird thing to watch. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.520 A player that you've seen play very fluid become very robotic, 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.400 and it's almost as if there were too many voices 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.280 in his head, too many people telling them how to play. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.320 And it's one of the things that you worry about 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.760 with all players, but particularly players that may be a 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:01.440 little unorthodox in their games. Sometimes they try to conform 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.559 to be more of a traditional player, but the traditional 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.320 player is not what made them special and set them 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.240 apart from their peers, and so You're always dancing that 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.079 fine line between Hey, I need you to be traditional 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.520 in some aspects, but we love you because of the 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.480 different stuff that you bring to the table. Don't deviat 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.760 her straight too far from that part of your game, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.600 because that's what separates you from others. It's just really 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.360 hard to kind of tell him what to listen to 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:28.959 and what not to listen to when he's trying to 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:29.919 figure out how to play. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.519 Yeah, and I was, you know, just kind of watching 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.120 the game, and I was thinking, Okay, he's going to 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.320 get hit in the pocket anyways because of a combination 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.680 of him holding the ball and them not being great 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.040 up front. So if my guy's going to take hits, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.880 I'd rather have him take hits on the other side 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.480 of the line of scrimmage, you know what I mean. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.000 Like that's why I'm kind of and I know he's 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.200 beat up a little bit, but man, I would be 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.800 calling more design quarterback runs buck until we kind of 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.280 get him kind of out of that little rut that 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:56.680 he's in. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:57.600 You know. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.080 It's funny, and you would hear the quarterbacks talk about 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.160 this all the time. Cam Newton and some others would 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.000 talk about it, and they're not the same type player, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.880 but gam would talk about he wouldn't relax until he 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.600 ran the ball a few times, because when you're at 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.960 your when the anxiety is at its highest early in 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.480 the game, you kind of need something to settle that down. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:17.880 And I don't know how it was for you, but 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.079 for me as a player. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.760 Everything kind of came back to normal after I touched 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.680 the ball that first time and got hit. Whether it 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.799 was a kickoff return or catching a pass or whatever, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:27.800 you kind of need to get that out of your 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.800 system so you can settle down and play. And for Caleb, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.920 I want to get him into his comfort zone as 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.200 soon as I can. And so if that's a design 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.680 quarterback run early in the series, if that's something where 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:39.840 I put him on the move where he has the 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.720 option to maybe utilize his legs, but whatever it is, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.640 whoever is the play caller, whoever's the head coach next year, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.080 they need to make sure they find what makes him 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.640 tick and what can get him into his comfort zone 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.839 right away, because when he's in his comfort zone, he's 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.680 a much different player than the uncomfortable player that we'll watch. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.040 Four carries for three yards and those are mostly scrambles, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.800 I don't remember off top of my head designed quarterback 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:05.960 runs in that ball game. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:06.760 So I don't know. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.080 That was just one of the things I was thinking 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.120 trying and loosen him up a little bit. But he's 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.080 and it was trike Ma did a good job of 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.880 going through it on the broadcast, showing like, hey, you're 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.560 at the top of your drop, it's there, take it, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.120 it's wide open, just take it. Yep, he's just kind 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.640 of stuck and frozen. He and sometimes look like he's 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.279 even looking at it, but he won't he won't pull 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.000 the trigger. So and I know he's gone bazillion games 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.839 in a row without throwing an interception. I mean, I 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.080 guess that's something you can build off of, but I'd 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.360 rather live with some interceptions and let him play loose 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.160 and free and uh and see the guy that we drafted. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.960 But I also think the other point Aikman made, which 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.200 was good, was Akman was terrible. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.880 Was rookie year. Team wasn't good. He was terrible. You know, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:43.800 we saw it with. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.800 We've seen you know, Sam Donald on the other side 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.160 of the field go through multiple years of not being 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.080 a great player, and now he's in the right spot, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.719 the right fit talked a lot about how he learned 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:57.039 from Kyle Shanahan about defenses. I thought was fascinating, you know. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.279 And by the way, Troigman's really good. I don't know 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.520 how I'm not getting into like ranking broadcasters and people 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.000 like this guy. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.040 Don't like that guy. He's really good. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.440 Man like he had some insights in that from his 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.320 experience playing the position. I thought it was excellent. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:12.120 You know. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.640 It's funny because everyone has talked about Tom Brady and 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.040 some of the other broadcasters, and one I would tell 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.680 anybody because you and I have both done it. It's 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.920 a much harder deal than anyone can imagine. It is 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.239 hard to get nuggets in in a thirty second window 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.279 when so everyone understands the mechanics of the thing. The 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.280 playback play guy has everything to the snap, and then 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.200 once the play is done, the color guy has everything 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.000 from the end of the play into the huddle breaks. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.919 And so you have to have your points like dialed in. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.400 You have to be concise, but you have to be 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.680 able to be a storyteller within those moments, and it's 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.400 hard sometimes to process that all in your head to 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.000 get it out and to make it coherent and if 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.360 it's a story that needs multiple plays to be able 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.320 to continue to pick up where you left off on 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.800 the previous play. There's an art to it, which is 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.680 why when you talk about Troy Aikman and some of 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.520 the other guys that are revered for what they do, Yeah, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.120 it's not something that you can just fall out the 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:11.040 bed and be great at. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:12.800 Yeah, no, no question. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.760 I thought he just provided a lot of perspective and 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.600 really hope for Bears fans too. It's like, hey, this 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:22.000 doesn't happen right away for everybody. There's you know, there's 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.360 all the tools are in there, all the abilities in there. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.360 They need to get the next hire right, and you 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.719 get the right person around him. I know, I know 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.359 there's been talking and people have promoted, okay, we should 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.599 get Mike Vrabel because of his historical success. You know, 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.479 the physicality kind of matches the way they want to play, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.200 you know, in that city in Chicago, to match your environment. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.040 That's been you know that Marcus Freeman's name has been mentioned. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.600 Just a short trip over from Notre Dame. Buck, I'm 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.719 normally like, hey, you get the best leader, you know, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.600 that's the that's the right coach. And then you can 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.520 hire the right coaches around him in this particular situation 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.240 because it is a package that must be handled with care. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.760 I don't know how they don't hire or an offensive 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.120 coach where the voice is not going to change, you know, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.520 where you can have that same system, same voice in 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.839 your head for at least you're committing to you know, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.520 most of these coach is going to get three years, 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.040 so at least that's a three year full commitment to 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.640 some stability around Caleb Williams. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.800 Yeah, it's really hard because, look, I think there's so 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.280 many things that the Bears have to fix beyond the quarterback. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.640 I understand what you're saying about the stability and the 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.800 continuity that you're guaranteed if the head coach is the 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.440 play caller or is an offensive mind where he's bringing 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.120 his own playbook and those things. I just wonder when 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.200 you're the Bears and they've tried that a few different times. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.360 They try to remark trustsmen, they try to Matt Nagget, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:44.560 They've tried it in other iterations. It's such a hard job, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.440 and it appears that there's so many people who have 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.680 kind of their hands in the cookie dough. I think 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.160 you have to get the best leader, and if you 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.240 can get the best leader who is offensive centric, then 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:55.080 that'd be great. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.240 I just think it's a really really hard job, and 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:57.680 I think. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.200 Kayla Williams is there, but he's kind of there as 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.600 a backdrop to all the other issues that must be 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.960 fixed before the Bears can be really, really good. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:06.760 Yeah. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.040 Yeah, you're right, there are a whole host of issues there. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.720 By the way, the other side of things, Minnesota's not 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.040 done in this division. I mean we think about the 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.000 big picture. Shoot, it's all right in front of them. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.400 It's all right in front of them. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.000 And this is the thing about the NFL season and 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.360 why it's really a marathon and not a sprint. Whereas 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.040 great as the Detroit Lions have been for the majority 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.440 of the regular season, they could be a team that 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.640 limps into the postseason because injuries take them apart, and 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.400 the team that goes into the playoffs is not the 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.960 team that we saw for most of the year. Meanwhile, 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.560 the Minnesota Vikings have been relatively big injury free. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.040 You had Derris Shaw, he's going down. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.120 You've had some other bumps and bruises, but for the 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.520 most part, their core guys are there, and when you 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.360 look at them, it appears that they're playing better and 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.720 better each week, which is really a testament to the 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:01.680 coaching and that stuff. To me, the MINUSESO Vikings are dangerous. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.839 Their legitimate threat to unseat the Detroit Lions as the 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.880 top the division leader, and if they win and they're 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.920 able to kind of like make their way to even 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.720 home field. Very very difficult team to deal with because 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.679 koc in the offense is rolling, and then Brian Flores 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.960 and the aggressive defense poses a bunch of different problems. Yeah, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.920 you're right keeping eye on in Minnesota Vikings because they 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:23.680 definitely are coming. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.840 I feel like we've been kind of the bad news 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.319 brigade here when it comes to the Lions. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.200 Just it is what it is. I mean, you're coming 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.040 off of a tough. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.000 Loss, You've had all these injuries and Buck, what was 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.240 the matchup we've been talking about that was like, Man, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.200 the one that that I wouldn't love if I were 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.040 them is the Rams. So if you're the Detroit Lions 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.240 and Minnesota comes and they beat you in that game, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:46.720 I believe it's the last week of the season. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.240 You're the fifth seed. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.600 You're not only going to you're not only playing the Rams, 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.040 You're playing the Rams on the road. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:53.720 You're not playing the Rams at home. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.280 Like that's that is a tough matchup for them as 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.000 the teams are constituted presently. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.319 Yeah, no, it's not that a great matchup. It's certainly 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.480 not something that you want to see. And I'm telling 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.520 you the two things they worry about the Detroit Lions. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.960 And I am the biggest Dan Campbell fan that you 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.160 can find out there. I'm worried a little bit about 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.679 the risk taking. I understand the identity. I understand how 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.600 you built the team, and I understand all of those 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.520 things like all gas, no breaks, whatever, the iteration of 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:25.520 being aggressive is. However, I want you to be aggressive, 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.240 but I don't want you to be reckless. And I 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.920 think sometimes he board his own recklessness when it comes 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.680 to the decision making beyond side kick in that game 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.080 with twelve minutes left, little reckless. Some of the gambles 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.120 that they take on when they go for it on 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.120 their own end of the field a little reckless. And 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.600 I don't want to say that I judge him based 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.920 on the result, but I do worry in the playoffs, 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.840 where really more games are lost in one because the 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:58.840 mistakes are magnified. I just worry about him and the 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.840 decision making in those pressure moments when he's just so 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.040 apt to go for it. On top of them not 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.840 having look a full lineup, a complete lineup, that really 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.400 made them different than the other teams in the division. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.920 I've never asked you this question, but I was thinking 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.800 about because you you've brought up concerns on Sirianni, and 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.520 we talked about that, right, how Sirianni has a little 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.480 edginess to him. Buck I'm learning out like he wants 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.720 even keel, he wants a steady hand at the wheel. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.640 He doesn't want the emotional. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.320 So so then and then now Dan Campbell, you voice 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.840 your concerns on Dan Campbell being overly aggressive. So when 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.280 I was thinking about the coaches that you've been around, like, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.960 because I think of Marty Schottenheimer's emotional like Edgy Kauflin 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.680 the unique how he how he operates, but I think 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.480 there's an energy and him, and then I think of 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.920 Mike Holmgren and from the outside looking at it seems 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.400 like that's just like a steady, calm presence. So I'm 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.360 curious what your what your take is on the coaches 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.960 you've been around and what has given you this perspective, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.200 Because I do like Buck, I know you well enough 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.280 to know that I think that you prefer somebody just 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.920 be hey, let's even keel, let's not get too big. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.439 So so I mean, man, we can talk about it. Man. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.120 My high school coach was edge, but he was consistent. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.520 You knew what you were getting every day. Mac Brown 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:15.240 Hall of Fame. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.560 Are very even keelled. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.640 When it came to his emotional ups and downs, I 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.240 would say Marv Levy, Hall of Fame coach in Buffalo 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.280 very even keel. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.240 Mike Honggrin was more of a cerebral coach. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.280 He could explode, but he still kind of thought of 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.920 the game a little differently. I would say for all 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.880 the things that Tom Coughlin was in terms of like 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.240 not emotional but a disciplinarian in those things, I felt 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.000 like there was an emotional maturity about him when he 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.439 approached the game. Marty Schottenheimer was by far the most 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.320 confident coach that I've ever been around. But Marty is 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.559 the one that I coined the phrase like more games 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.640 are lost than one, because he would talk about that 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.600 He would talk about, guys, if we just take care 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.200 of the things that we can control, nobody would beat us. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.040 Most teams can't beat us. We'll just wait for them 0:12:59.040 --> 0:12:59.760 to implode. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.040 He was like that, and I felt like his fatal 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.240 flaw was in San Diego. He tried to prove to 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.400 people that he is a risk taker, and so he 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.959 would take he's risk in the postseason. I'm like, that's 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.720 who you really have pretended to be. And then John Gruden, 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.320 it was his first year as a head coach. He 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:16.480 was a little more emotional on that. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:17.640 But you may be right. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.800 The guys that I've been most influenced by as a 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.679 coach were more not flatlined from an emotional standpoint, but 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.839 when it came to risk taking, maybe they were a 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.600 little more risk adverse than some of the others. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.600 Yeah. No, I think it's interesting, man. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.200 We just kind of look at who the influences were 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.360 because I think about kind of some of the coaches 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.160 that I've been around, and it was Jerry Moore when 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.880 I was in college, was just steady. You know, he's 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.520 a Hall of Fame coach, but he was not too 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.320 high or too low. He was very under control, calm, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:50.920 never really raised his voice ever. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:51.400 Ever. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.840 Then, you know, I think about when I was in 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.640 college in Northeast Louisiana. Ed Zombrecker was the head coach there, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.080 but he had a lot of he is more he 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.800 blew up on me a few times, but there was 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.440 he was kind of a little more even. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.760 But then coaches around. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.440 Him, he had a lot of volatility like around him 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.640 that way. And then we get Billick was high emotion. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.640 You know, he tapped into the passion of the defense. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.400 So he brought a lot of energy, confidence, you know, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.920 bravado like that was kind of. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:22.600 His his deal. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.400 And then I had Andy Reid who was you know, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.080 very even keel and Romeo Crenell who never raised his voice. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.280 So it is interesting how the different coaches. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:35.200 So it's funny. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.680 So Andy Reid was an assistant coach in Green Bay 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.200 when I was there. He was the tight ends coach 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.400 in the quarterbacks coach, and he was in charge of 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:41.960 the scout team. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.800 And I can see that and DJ. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.920 So the common threa between all those guys, like for me, 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:52.000 coaching Hall of famers or Super Bowl winners, and so 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.520 you start thinking about like what wins and what wins 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.800 in the pick. There has to be a level of 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.960 calmness to your demeanor that you can make big decis 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.800 visions under pressure. And what I worry a little bit 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:07.000 about Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni sometimes they're so emotional 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.640 that I wonder if the emotion drives the decision making 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:11.880 and what you would. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:12.320 Like to do. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.920 And this is something that Bill Washer said, Man, most 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.880 of your decisions should be made throughout the week. So 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.840 when you come to the situation, just look at your 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.160 sheet and say, hey, here's how we're going to approach it. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.320 There shouldn't be this, Hey, let's draw it up in 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.160 the dirt and go because most of the time those things, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.640 as much as we like to think about the novelty 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.920 of making adjustments and all that, a lot of that 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.480 should be already thought out when you're calm and cool 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.960 and you just make a decision that's been thoroughly researched 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.040 and you go with it. I just worry about Dan 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.320 Campbell because of the risk tape. For Nick Sirianni, I 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.400 just worry about the emotional stuff creating chaos on the 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.680 sideline where they can't think. Because it already seems like 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.600 Philadelphia is chaotic with their team. I just worry about 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.240 Nick Sirianni point a little kerosene I seen on. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.240 It making it explode. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.240 But I say that in recognizing that Nick saiir Janni's 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:04.360 won a lot of games. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.160 Man, his record is. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.680 One of the best records that you'll find for a 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.000 young coach that has taken over a program. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.080 This is a little different. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:12.760 So so let me ask you this because I was 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.640 thinking about this the other day with uh when we 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.520 were talking about Fangio and how Fangio has worked there 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.200 and didn't work in other places, you know, and so 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.600 it's the right having the right kind of kid. What 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.440 do we always joke about where all Phillies players come 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.920 from Georgia and Alabama. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.320 Where they're used to that, where they have been mother, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:34.640 mother and trucks. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:41.800 Since you say they stepped on campus, that furnace, that furnace, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.320 they've lived in that furnace, and they know how to 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.120 respond to that. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.720 I never thought about that, but DJ, you are right 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.200 when you bring that up. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.400 Because one of the things and one of the things 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.120 that we talked about when we go back to scouting, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.520 like why you take players from winning programs and championship 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.080 programs or whatever. Part of that is like the pressure 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.000 that they've been under and playing in those big games. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.919 But when you think about Alabama and Georgia, and I know, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.400 like there's so many rules and restrictions in terms of 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.040 what you can ask players now. But you remember when 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.240 we talked about horror coaching and when you ask guys like, hey, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.480 what's the best way to coach you? Is to walk 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:26.960 through visualization, yelling, screaming, horror coaching. The Georgia, the Philadelphia team, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.640 a lot of guys they need horror coaching. Guys they're 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.760 respond to the horrid coaching because that's how Kirby Smart 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.920 goes about doing his business. He loves them up well man, 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.280 him and Nick Sabeman coached them hard. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.959 To coach them hard, no question. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.800