1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck with you Buck? 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: We went matching matching sweatshirts today. Yeah are and I 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 3: was having the coffee and you're having a coffee here, 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: So I feel like the brand. Yeah, we are representing 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 3: the brand, that's right. But we're kind of on the 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: same page here this morning. How was your night last night? 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to watch those ball games? 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean I did have a chance to watch both 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: of them. 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm in North Carolina hanging with my parents, so I 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: got a chance to watch the Vikings in Chicago paid 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: more attention to than the Raiders. I called the end 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: of the Raiders game for the most part, but it 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: was interesting the Minnesota Vikings keep rolling the Bears r 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: ms and oh. 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: My gosh, job, we're gonna get a job. Yeah, that 19 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: job is gonna be a tougher job than everyone thinks 20 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: about it, no doubt. 21 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: It's time for the lead block presented by T Mobile 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: for Business. Football needs a network willing to go to 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: the extra yards. So do you go further? With T 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: Mobile for Business. It's interesting read right, there coming into 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: this game because we start on the bear side of things. 26 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: I was trying to think of, like, Okay, all the 27 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: different things they need to fix and the problems they 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: need to solve in the off season, But the number 29 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: one thing Buck is they've got to fix the Wi Fi. 30 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: They because we've talked about this like that Caleb is 31 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: having these freeze moments. Like if you've been on your 32 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: Wi Fi and the Wi Fi freezes, that's what's going 33 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: on with Caleb. They got to get that out of him. Man, 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: where he's just like a glitching, He's just kind of stuck. 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: He's got to get unstuck in the offseason. It's one 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: of the more it's a weird thing to watch. 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: A player that you've seen play very fluid become very robotic, 38 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: and it's almost as if there were too many voices 39 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: in his head, too many people telling them how to play. 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that you worry about 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: with all players, but particularly players that may be a 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: little unorthodox in their games. Sometimes they try to conform 43 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: to be more of a traditional player, but the traditional 44 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: player is not what made them special and set them 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: apart from their peers, and so You're always dancing that 46 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: fine line between Hey, I need you to be traditional 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: in some aspects, but we love you because of the 48 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: different stuff that you bring to the table. Don't deviat 49 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: her straight too far from that part of your game, 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: because that's what separates you from others. It's just really 51 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: hard to kind of tell him what to listen to 52 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: and what not to listen to when he's trying to 53 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: figure out how to play. 54 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was, you know, just kind of watching 55 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: the game, and I was thinking, Okay, he's going to 56 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: get hit in the pocket anyways because of a combination 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: of him holding the ball and them not being great 58 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: up front. So if my guy's going to take hits, 59 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: I'd rather have him take hits on the other side 60 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage, you know what I mean. 61 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: Like that's why I'm kind of and I know he's 62 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: beat up a little bit, but man, I would be 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: calling more design quarterback runs buck until we kind of 64 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: get him kind of out of that little rut that 65 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: he's in. 66 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: You know. 67 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: It's funny, and you would hear the quarterbacks talk about 68 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: this all the time. Cam Newton and some others would 69 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: talk about it, and they're not the same type player, 70 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: but gam would talk about he wouldn't relax until he 71 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: ran the ball a few times, because when you're at 72 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: your when the anxiety is at its highest early in 73 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: the game, you kind of need something to settle that down. 74 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: And I don't know how it was for you, but 75 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: for me as a player. 76 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: Everything kind of came back to normal after I touched 77 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: the ball that first time and got hit. Whether it 78 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: was a kickoff return or catching a pass or whatever, 79 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: you kind of need to get that out of your 80 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: system so you can settle down and play. And for Caleb, 81 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: I want to get him into his comfort zone as 82 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: soon as I can. And so if that's a design 83 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: quarterback run early in the series, if that's something where 84 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: I put him on the move where he has the 85 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: option to maybe utilize his legs, but whatever it is, 86 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: whoever is the play caller, whoever's the head coach next year, 87 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: they need to make sure they find what makes him 88 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: tick and what can get him into his comfort zone 89 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: right away, because when he's in his comfort zone, he's 90 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: a much different player than the uncomfortable player that we'll watch. 91 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: Four carries for three yards and those are mostly scrambles, 92 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: I don't remember off top of my head designed quarterback 93 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: runs in that ball game. 94 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 95 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: That was just one of the things I was thinking 96 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: trying and loosen him up a little bit. But he's 97 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: and it was trike Ma did a good job of 98 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: going through it on the broadcast, showing like, hey, you're 99 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: at the top of your drop, it's there, take it, 100 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: it's wide open, just take it. Yep, he's just kind 101 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: of stuck and frozen. He and sometimes look like he's 102 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: even looking at it, but he won't he won't pull 103 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: the trigger. So and I know he's gone bazillion games 104 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: in a row without throwing an interception. I mean, I 105 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: guess that's something you can build off of, but I'd 106 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: rather live with some interceptions and let him play loose 107 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: and free and uh and see the guy that we drafted. 108 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: But I also think the other point Aikman made, which 109 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: was good, was Akman was terrible. 110 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: Was rookie year. Team wasn't good. He was terrible. You know, 111 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: we saw it with. 112 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: We've seen you know, Sam Donald on the other side 113 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: of the field go through multiple years of not being 114 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: a great player, and now he's in the right spot, 115 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: the right fit talked a lot about how he learned 116 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: from Kyle Shanahan about defenses. I thought was fascinating, you know. 117 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: And by the way, Troigman's really good. I don't know 118 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: how I'm not getting into like ranking broadcasters and people 119 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: like this guy. 120 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: Don't like that guy. He's really good. 121 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: Man like he had some insights in that from his 122 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: experience playing the position. I thought it was excellent. 123 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: You know. 124 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: It's funny because everyone has talked about Tom Brady and 125 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: some of the other broadcasters, and one I would tell 126 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: anybody because you and I have both done it. It's 127 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: a much harder deal than anyone can imagine. It is 128 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: hard to get nuggets in in a thirty second window 129 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: when so everyone understands the mechanics of the thing. The 130 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: playback play guy has everything to the snap, and then 131 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: once the play is done, the color guy has everything 132 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: from the end of the play into the huddle breaks. 133 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: And so you have to have your points like dialed in. 134 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: You have to be concise, but you have to be 135 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: able to be a storyteller within those moments, and it's 136 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: hard sometimes to process that all in your head to 137 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: get it out and to make it coherent and if 138 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: it's a story that needs multiple plays to be able 139 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: to continue to pick up where you left off on 140 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: the previous play. There's an art to it, which is 141 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: why when you talk about Troy Aikman and some of 142 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: the other guys that are revered for what they do, Yeah, 143 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: it's not something that you can just fall out the 144 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: bed and be great at. 145 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no question. 146 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: I thought he just provided a lot of perspective and 147 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: really hope for Bears fans too. It's like, hey, this 148 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: doesn't happen right away for everybody. There's you know, there's 149 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: all the tools are in there, all the abilities in there. 150 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: They need to get the next hire right, and you 151 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: get the right person around him. I know, I know 152 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: there's been talking and people have promoted, okay, we should 153 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: get Mike Vrabel because of his historical success. You know, 154 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 3: the physicality kind of matches the way they want to play, 155 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: you know, in that city in Chicago, to match your environment. 156 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: That's been you know that Marcus Freeman's name has been mentioned. 157 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 3: Just a short trip over from Notre Dame. Buck, I'm 158 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: normally like, hey, you get the best leader, you know, 159 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: that's the that's the right coach. And then you can 160 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: hire the right coaches around him in this particular situation 161 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: because it is a package that must be handled with care. 162 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: I don't know how they don't hire or an offensive 163 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: coach where the voice is not going to change, you know, 164 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: where you can have that same system, same voice in 165 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: your head for at least you're committing to you know, 166 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: most of these coach is going to get three years, 167 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: so at least that's a three year full commitment to 168 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: some stability around Caleb Williams. 169 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard because, look, I think there's so 170 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: many things that the Bears have to fix beyond the quarterback. 171 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about the stability and the 172 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: continuity that you're guaranteed if the head coach is the 173 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: play caller or is an offensive mind where he's bringing 174 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: his own playbook and those things. I just wonder when 175 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: you're the Bears and they've tried that a few different times. 176 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: They try to remark trustsmen, they try to Matt Nagget, 177 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: They've tried it in other iterations. It's such a hard job, 178 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: and it appears that there's so many people who have 179 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: kind of their hands in the cookie dough. I think 180 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: you have to get the best leader, and if you 181 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: can get the best leader who is offensive centric, then 182 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: that'd be great. 183 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: I just think it's a really really hard job, and 184 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: I think. 185 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Kayla Williams is there, but he's kind of there as 186 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: a backdrop to all the other issues that must be 187 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: fixed before the Bears can be really, really good. 188 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 189 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, there are a whole host of issues there. 190 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: By the way, the other side of things, Minnesota's not 191 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: done in this division. I mean we think about the 192 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: big picture. Shoot, it's all right in front of them. 193 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: It's all right in front of them. 194 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: And this is the thing about the NFL season and 195 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: why it's really a marathon and not a sprint. Whereas 196 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: great as the Detroit Lions have been for the majority 197 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: of the regular season, they could be a team that 198 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: limps into the postseason because injuries take them apart, and 199 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the team that goes into the playoffs is not the 200 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: team that we saw for most of the year. Meanwhile, 201 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings have been relatively big injury free. 202 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: You had Derris Shaw, he's going down. 203 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: You've had some other bumps and bruises, but for the 204 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: most part, their core guys are there, and when you 205 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: look at them, it appears that they're playing better and 206 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: better each week, which is really a testament to the 207 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: coaching and that stuff. To me, the MINUSESO Vikings are dangerous. 208 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: Their legitimate threat to unseat the Detroit Lions as the 209 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: top the division leader, and if they win and they're 210 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: able to kind of like make their way to even 211 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: home field. Very very difficult team to deal with because 212 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: koc in the offense is rolling, and then Brian Flores 213 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: and the aggressive defense poses a bunch of different problems. Yeah, 214 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: you're right keeping eye on in Minnesota Vikings because they 215 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: definitely are coming. 216 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: I feel like we've been kind of the bad news 217 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 3: brigade here when it comes to the Lions. 218 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: Just it is what it is. I mean, you're coming 219 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: off of a tough. 220 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: Loss, You've had all these injuries and Buck, what was 221 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: the matchup we've been talking about that was like, Man, 222 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: the one that that I wouldn't love if I were 223 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: them is the Rams. So if you're the Detroit Lions 224 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: and Minnesota comes and they beat you in that game, 225 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: I believe it's the last week of the season. 226 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: You're the fifth seed. 227 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: You're not only going to you're not only playing the Rams, 228 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: You're playing the Rams on the road. 229 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: You're not playing the Rams at home. 230 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: Like that's that is a tough matchup for them as 231 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: the teams are constituted presently. 232 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's not that a great matchup. It's certainly 233 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: not something that you want to see. And I'm telling 234 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: you the two things they worry about the Detroit Lions. 235 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: And I am the biggest Dan Campbell fan that you 236 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: can find out there. I'm worried a little bit about 237 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: the risk taking. I understand the identity. I understand how 238 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: you built the team, and I understand all of those 239 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: things like all gas, no breaks, whatever, the iteration of 240 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: being aggressive is. However, I want you to be aggressive, 241 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: but I don't want you to be reckless. And I 242 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: think sometimes he board his own recklessness when it comes 243 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: to the decision making beyond side kick in that game 244 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: with twelve minutes left, little reckless. Some of the gambles 245 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: that they take on when they go for it on 246 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: their own end of the field a little reckless. And 247 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I judge him based 248 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: on the result, but I do worry in the playoffs, 249 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: where really more games are lost in one because the 250 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: mistakes are magnified. I just worry about him and the 251 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: decision making in those pressure moments when he's just so 252 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: apt to go for it. On top of them not 253 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: having look a full lineup, a complete lineup, that really 254 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: made them different than the other teams in the division. 255 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: I've never asked you this question, but I was thinking 256 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: about because you you've brought up concerns on Sirianni, and 257 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: we talked about that, right, how Sirianni has a little 258 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: edginess to him. Buck I'm learning out like he wants 259 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: even keel, he wants a steady hand at the wheel. 260 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: He doesn't want the emotional. 261 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: So so then and then now Dan Campbell, you voice 262 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: your concerns on Dan Campbell being overly aggressive. So when 263 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: I was thinking about the coaches that you've been around, like, 264 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: because I think of Marty Schottenheimer's emotional like Edgy Kauflin 265 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: the unique how he how he operates, but I think 266 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: there's an energy and him, and then I think of 267 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren and from the outside looking at it seems 268 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: like that's just like a steady, calm presence. So I'm 269 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: curious what your what your take is on the coaches 270 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: you've been around and what has given you this perspective, 271 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: Because I do like Buck, I know you well enough 272 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: to know that I think that you prefer somebody just 273 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: be hey, let's even keel, let's not get too big. 274 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: So so I mean, man, we can talk about it. Man. 275 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: My high school coach was edge, but he was consistent. 276 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: You knew what you were getting every day. Mac Brown 277 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. 278 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: Are very even keelled. 279 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: When it came to his emotional ups and downs, I 280 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: would say Marv Levy, Hall of Fame coach in Buffalo 281 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: very even keel. 282 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: Mike Honggrin was more of a cerebral coach. 283 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: He could explode, but he still kind of thought of 284 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: the game a little differently. I would say for all 285 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: the things that Tom Coughlin was in terms of like 286 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: not emotional but a disciplinarian in those things, I felt 287 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: like there was an emotional maturity about him when he 288 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: approached the game. Marty Schottenheimer was by far the most 289 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: confident coach that I've ever been around. But Marty is 290 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: the one that I coined the phrase like more games 291 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: are lost than one, because he would talk about that 292 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: He would talk about, guys, if we just take care 293 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: of the things that we can control, nobody would beat us. 294 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: Most teams can't beat us. We'll just wait for them 295 00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: to implode. 296 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: He was like that, and I felt like his fatal 297 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: flaw was in San Diego. He tried to prove to 298 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: people that he is a risk taker, and so he 299 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: would take he's risk in the postseason. I'm like, that's 300 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: who you really have pretended to be. And then John Gruden, 301 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: it was his first year as a head coach. He 302 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: was a little more emotional on that. 303 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: But you may be right. 304 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: The guys that I've been most influenced by as a 305 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: coach were more not flatlined from an emotional standpoint, but 306 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: when it came to risk taking, maybe they were a 307 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: little more risk adverse than some of the others. 308 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it's interesting, man. 309 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: We just kind of look at who the influences were 310 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: because I think about kind of some of the coaches 311 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: that I've been around, and it was Jerry Moore when 312 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: I was in college, was just steady. You know, he's 313 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame coach, but he was not too 314 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: high or too low. He was very under control, calm, 315 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: never really raised his voice ever. 316 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: Ever. 317 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: Then, you know, I think about when I was in 318 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: college in Northeast Louisiana. Ed Zombrecker was the head coach there, 319 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: but he had a lot of he is more he 320 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: blew up on me a few times, but there was 321 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: he was kind of a little more even. 322 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: But then coaches around. 323 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: Him, he had a lot of volatility like around him 324 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: that way. And then we get Billick was high emotion. 325 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: You know, he tapped into the passion of the defense. 326 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: So he brought a lot of energy, confidence, you know, 327 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: bravado like that was kind of. 328 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: His his deal. 329 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: And then I had Andy Reid who was you know, 330 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: very even keel and Romeo Crenell who never raised his voice. 331 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: So it is interesting how the different coaches. 332 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: So it's funny. 333 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: So Andy Reid was an assistant coach in Green Bay 334 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: when I was there. He was the tight ends coach 335 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: in the quarterbacks coach, and he was in charge of 336 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: the scout team. 337 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: And I can see that and DJ. 338 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: So the common threa between all those guys, like for me, 339 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: coaching Hall of famers or Super Bowl winners, and so 340 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: you start thinking about like what wins and what wins 341 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: in the pick. There has to be a level of 342 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: calmness to your demeanor that you can make big decis 343 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: visions under pressure. And what I worry a little bit 344 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni sometimes they're so emotional 345 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: that I wonder if the emotion drives the decision making 346 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: and what you would. 347 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: Like to do. 348 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: And this is something that Bill Washer said, Man, most 349 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: of your decisions should be made throughout the week. So 350 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: when you come to the situation, just look at your 351 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: sheet and say, hey, here's how we're going to approach it. 352 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: There shouldn't be this, Hey, let's draw it up in 353 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: the dirt and go because most of the time those things, 354 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: as much as we like to think about the novelty 355 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: of making adjustments and all that, a lot of that 356 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: should be already thought out when you're calm and cool 357 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: and you just make a decision that's been thoroughly researched 358 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: and you go with it. I just worry about Dan 359 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: Campbell because of the risk tape. For Nick Sirianni, I 360 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: just worry about the emotional stuff creating chaos on the 361 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: sideline where they can't think. Because it already seems like 362 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is chaotic with their team. I just worry about 363 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni point a little kerosene I seen on. 364 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: It making it explode. 365 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: But I say that in recognizing that Nick saiir Janni's 366 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: won a lot of games. 367 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: Man, his record is. 368 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: One of the best records that you'll find for a 369 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: young coach that has taken over a program. 370 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: This is a little different. 371 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: So so let me ask you this because I was 372 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: thinking about this the other day with uh when we 373 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: were talking about Fangio and how Fangio has worked there 374 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: and didn't work in other places, you know, and so 375 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: it's the right having the right kind of kid. What 376 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: do we always joke about where all Phillies players come 377 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: from Georgia and Alabama. 378 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: Where they're used to that, where they have been mother, 379 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: mother and trucks. 380 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: Since you say they stepped on campus, that furnace, that furnace, 381 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: they've lived in that furnace, and they know how to 382 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: respond to that. 383 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: I never thought about that, but DJ, you are right 384 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: when you bring that up. 385 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: Because one of the things and one of the things 386 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: that we talked about when we go back to scouting, 387 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: like why you take players from winning programs and championship 388 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: programs or whatever. Part of that is like the pressure 389 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: that they've been under and playing in those big games. 390 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: But when you think about Alabama and Georgia, and I know, 391 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: like there's so many rules and restrictions in terms of 392 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: what you can ask players now. But you remember when 393 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: we talked about horror coaching and when you ask guys like, hey, 394 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: what's the best way to coach you? Is to walk 395 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: through visualization, yelling, screaming, horror coaching. The Georgia, the Philadelphia team, 396 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: a lot of guys they need horror coaching. Guys they're 397 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: respond to the horrid coaching because that's how Kirby Smart 398 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: goes about doing his business. He loves them up well man, 399 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: him and Nick Sabeman coached them hard. 400 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 2: To coach them hard, no question. 401 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: So again, I think that's part of the scouting process 402 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: is finding kids that match you're building and Howie Roseman 403 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: has done a great job of that. All Right, that's 404 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: a rap for the lead block presented by T Mobile 405 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: for Business. Football needs network willing to go to the 406 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: extra yard. So do you go further with T Mobile 407 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: for Business. We haven't forgot about the other game, the 408 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: Raiders and the fouls plus the rookie draft that's coming 409 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: up right after this, All right, Buck, we don't need 410 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 3: to spend a ton of time on it. I wasn't 411 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't super fired up to watch this game, 412 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: and I kind of got a reason why after seeing 413 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: what went down there. 414 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: Ugly, ugly game Atlanta and the Raiders. 415 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, ugly game and a lot of conversation coming out 416 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: the game is gonna be Kirk Cousins, right, Kirk Cousins 417 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: didn't have another had struggled through another performance. 418 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: One and twelve yards? Yeah, I mean interception not playing well. 419 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: My thing is this, though, DJ Right, Because people have 420 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: talked about Michael Pennocks being in the bullpin, I think 421 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: is are we going through a rookie quarterback in the 422 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: middle of the thick of the playoff races. 423 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: To be like, okay, Mike, let's go get him to me. 424 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: This is something that if you're having those thoughts, don't 425 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: you want to give him a run up before yes, 426 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: to get into those elimination games and those pressurized games. 427 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: There's no acclimation period for Michael Pennix. If you put 428 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: him in the game right now, we're expecting him to 429 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: be ready right now, And I don't know if that's 430 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: fair to a young quarterback to throw them right into 431 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: deep end. 432 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 433 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 3: No, I it's getting to the point, man, where it's like, 434 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: I know the plans, I know what you want to do, 435 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: but it's you know, we got Christmas coming up, man, 436 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: and it's like having that package that you can see 437 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 3: it right over there in the corner of the room. 438 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious what's in that package, you. 439 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Like that that's to the point 440 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: where they are. 441 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 3: You know, I think, listening to Raheem's comments postgame, we're 442 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: getting close to open in that package. I don't think 443 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: they wanted to. I don't think that was their plan. 444 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: They were going to wait till Christmas. But here we are, 445 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: and that thing's you know, they think maybe I like, 446 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 3: maybe that's a little maybe there's a bike in there. 447 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: I take that thing around the block a little bit, 448 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: go play with my friends. I don't off that package 449 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: is going to stay on open much longer. 450 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: Buck. 451 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: So here's what I can say. And I don't think 452 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I will out anybody when I say this. So the 453 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Jaguars played the Atlanta Falcons in pre season. Michael Penix 454 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: didn't play. But I had a chance to go down 455 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: there because I know some guys on the coaching staff 456 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: and some of the supporting staff, and I was able 457 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: to put them something, Hey, man, what's the skinny. 458 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, off the record, Yeah, Michael Penix's a 459 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of role. 460 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: So then in pregame what they did because Michael Pennix 461 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: didn't play, so they do those guys had to do 462 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of like what you'll see the Philadelphia Eagles when 463 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: the Eagles have inactives, their guys come out in pregame. 464 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: That's another practice. That's a rigorous workout. 465 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: It's not all almost said on the side and and 466 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: eat Swedish fish. 467 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 2: And chill out. 468 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, Michael Pennix and the 469 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: ball coming out as he's throwing routes on the doors, 470 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: it got a little little juiced to it, and you 471 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: can just see what. 472 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: Everyone was excited about. 473 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: Now, it's different when you put bodies on the field, 474 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: but in a simulated game, they told me he. 475 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: Lit it up. 476 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of positivity about him. It's just, man, 477 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna drop him. We're gonna drop him. But I mean, 478 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: I think I've told you this story about my kids 479 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: learning how to swim. So my son, my son learned 480 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: there's this guy, mister Conrad. You're making guy this and that, 481 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: and he guaranteed I can teach your son how to 482 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: swim in five days. Literally, DJ you take him to 483 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: the pool and he's like, okay, what's your name, Trey? 484 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, you got to swim from something right 485 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: in the water. 486 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: My daughter went to a water whisperer and it was 487 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: like six weeks of sprinkling water on the head. 488 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: He's enough to. 489 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Tell you my son was a stronger swimmer for the 490 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: longest time, and now my daughter can swim now. 491 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: But it's it's a different thing. 492 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: And so maybe maybe, just maybe they'll just take Michaels 493 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah, what's that on your Yeah, give. 494 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: Me the floaties. Right, we just kind of figured out. 495 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, like that's it just feels like 496 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 3: the temperatures changing in the room a little bit on 497 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: that whole decision, and whatever your plans were, they might 498 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: be a change in here, especially as you know, as 499 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: Tampa's playing really really well, so and. 500 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: Tampa's playing Tampa's playing so well the good thing for 501 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: the Falcons is they won both of those games. And 502 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: I would say that the Thursday night game, Man Tampa's 503 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: gonna root today. They let them come back and kind 504 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: of steal that one in the end because they out 505 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: played the Falcons for three and a half quarters and 506 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: they allowed the Falcons to swipe one. 507 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, man Tampa's coming and they come. 508 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: In like a bear, and the Falcons have to figure 509 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: out a way that they're not scoring enough points, they're 510 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: not productive or explosive. Maybe Michael Pennix gives them a 511 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: little juice, but once you go to them, ain't no 512 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: turning back, no question yep. Now it's you can't drown. 513 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: You got to find a way to get up to 514 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: the surface because you're not going back. One thing on 515 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: the Raiders and uh and then we'll move on to 516 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: the rookie draft. But I was just thinking about it 517 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: with Tom Brady's presence there in that organization, could I mean, 518 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: this is going to be unlike anything we've ever seen. 519 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: If they have the first pick, you're going to have 520 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time, who I would imagine 521 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: is going to be I mean, I would imagine you'll 522 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: be zooming with these kids all the time. 523 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 3: He's going to be doing watching film with them. He's 524 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 3: going to go work them out, spending all kinds of 525 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: time with them. Hey, Like I think of like if 526 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: you've seen Brady, like his notebooks of preparation that he has, 527 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: Like Tom Brady's gonna, hey, show me your notebook, Like 528 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: what have you been doing in college? Like show me 529 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: how your preparation? What that looks like on paper? Like 530 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: that's going to be fascinating to see how how involved 531 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: he is in this process and what Tom Brady values 532 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: does he is he looking for himself or is he 533 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: looking for someone? You know, this may be more quote 534 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 3: unquote a modern quarterback that can really move like and 535 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm just looking at Shadoor versus cam Ord. Those are 536 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 3: two totally different types of guys. Sure is more tom 537 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 3: Brady like going to sit in the pocket, read it out, 538 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: and while cam Ward has got some more spice to him, 539 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: he can create, make some more plays with his legs, 540 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 3: and he's got more he's got more firepower. 541 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: So that's going to be interesting. Man, It's gonna be 542 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: interesting debate. 543 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: And I will say this, and you know it's funny 544 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: because I would like to think, and man, I love 545 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: everything that Tom Brady represents six round pick, like making 546 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: his way and becoming the greatest quarterback that we've ever seen. 547 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's hard for great players sometimes to 548 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: be able to identify other great players. We saw John 549 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: Elway struggle with that for a long time. He is 550 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: one of the more decorated quarterbacks in the National Football League. 551 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: And they had a hard time finding. 552 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: At Weiler and Drew. 553 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean they yeah, they found they had a hard 554 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: time finding a quarterback in the draft. Tom Brady, I think, 555 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: can be a great resource, can be a great guy. 556 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: He can kind of help have those conversations, but there's 557 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: no guarantee. And I think the thing that the Raiders 558 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: have to do after they make whatever decisions they make 559 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the season, at some point the 560 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: Raiders have to sit in whatever decision they make. They 561 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: cannot continue to keep turning over coaches and personnel in 562 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: those things and think that they're going to be good. 563 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: Consistency and stability is the only way that you have 564 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: an opportunity to rise to the top. This is a 565 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: huge decision that they'll make if they have the number 566 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: one overall pick, if they getting a quarterback, because man, 567 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: they haven't DJ rich Gannon was the last time they've 568 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: had a big time quarterback like rich Gannon. 569 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: I mean just maybe one of their carr had one 570 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: or two good years in there, one or two good years. 571 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: I'm talking about big time quarterback. 572 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, so this is this is a 573 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: huge decision, and if you don't have a quarterback, you 574 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: don't have a chance. 575 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: And so they got to get this right. 576 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: So I'm sure Tom Brady's involvement will help them make 577 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: the decision on whichever quarterback they pick at the top 578 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: of the draft. 579 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be interesting. Man, Let's get to 580 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: this rookie draft. Last week, I mean, we at least 581 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: cut in a little bit, got one point off Rhett, 582 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: and he's still in a little bit of a runaway position. 583 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: Here we're gonna try and reel him in. Rehets in 584 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 3: first place. Here, we're battling behind him here, Buck today, 585 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: it looks like I believe I have the first pick, 586 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: So it's gonna go me and you then Rhett. So 587 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: Rhett has given his board his little rankings to Nobile, 588 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: so Nobill will throw his picks in the chat I'll 589 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: start us off. I'm gonna do what I what just 590 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: about all of us have done when we've had the 591 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: first overall pick. I'm gonna go Jaden and Daniels with 592 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: the first pick. I know they play Philly, but that 593 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: game is at home, and that is a rivalry game, 594 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: and uh, I think he'll I think he'll he'll acclimate 595 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 3: quite well there, even against that defense. 596 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Jayden Daniels with the first pick. Europe. 597 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: Okay, uh is this one where we got running back? 598 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: So is the two wide receivers? 599 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: You can do? 600 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: You can do, you can take. It's a whatever skill 601 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: player you can go. Right, I'm gonna take Okay, I'm 602 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna take the offensive rookie of. 603 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: The brock Bowers. 604 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: Oh nice, Okay, No, Bill is going to pick for 605 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: Rhett here. He's got back to backer for Rhett. He's 606 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: gonna go betj excellent and he's gonna go lad McConkey. 607 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 2: What are we doing, neb you? What about that man 608 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: taking two wide receivers? I don't like that. DJ. Who'd 609 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: you take number one overall? Who's you got? I took 610 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: Jade Daniels, so you are up? Okay? 611 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: I need to take a quarterback at some point. I 612 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 1: guess I'm haav to take bow Knicks right now. I'm 613 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: gonna take bow Nicks right now with this pick. 614 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: Okay, you're going bow Nicks. I'll tell you what I'm 615 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: gonna do. 616 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Uh with your namesake, because I 617 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: saw him up close. Bucky Irving went off last week, 618 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: so I'm gonna go Bucky Irving, and then I'm gonna 619 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: also come back with Uh. 620 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: Let's see who who. 621 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: Gosh, it's so hard to go with the Giants players 622 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: just because they're so bad, but I'm gonna have to 623 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: stick with you. They play the Falcons on the road, 624 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: I'll go Neighbors. 625 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So when you go Neighbors, I'm gonna go Marvin Harris. 626 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: So hold out, you got you got Rhett No, No, yeah, 627 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: you're up. You're going Marvin Marvin. 628 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: Okay. Then Rehet's got his last pick. He's going Drake May. 629 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: There you have it. 630 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: So I've got Jaydon Daniels, Bucky Irving, and Uh Malik Neighbors. 631 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 3: Bucky is coming with Bowers, bo Nicks and Marvin Harrison Junior. 632 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 3: Rhett has Brian Thomas Junior, Lad McConkey and Drake May 633 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 3: So we'll see if we can cut into this lead 634 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: a little bit. We've run out of time to catch 635 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: him here, but hopefully we can. We can reel him in. 636 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: All right, Buck, that's gonna do it for us today. 637 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow with another fresh episode. We'll see 638 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: it right here on. 639 00:28:41,480 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: Move the sticks.