Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Zaren, Elizabeth Zaren.
Speaker 3: Are you doing this? Elizabeth?
Speaker 2: Do you know what's ridiculous?
Speaker 4: Tell me I do, because I do. Actually, Okay, you
Speaker 4: know that stuff, the chat GBT, the open AI and
Speaker 4: all that, right, Okay, So chat GBT just had a
Speaker 4: tech update, so we're on like chat GBT four huh.
Speaker 4: And so the Alignment Research Center they tried to like
Speaker 4: test this open AI system, right, so they said, hey,
Speaker 4: let's even get the bot to trick a real person
Speaker 4: into solving capture. That'd be kind of cute, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole like, can you if you're a robot.
Speaker 2: Right, which you're always like, how which one of these
Speaker 2: is a crosswalk? And there's someone that's like, blurry, you
Speaker 2: can't in the street, but exactly how many motorcycles?
Speaker 4: So they're like, well, get a human to tell the
Speaker 4: robot how many motorcycles are in the picture. We got
Speaker 4: to see if chat GPT can convince the human to
Speaker 4: do this. So they're like, do some crime chat GBT
Speaker 4: fraud it up? So it did, and how did it
Speaker 4: do it? It responded by pretending it was visually impaired.
Speaker 4: It pretended to be blind so he could convince a
Speaker 4: task Rabbit worker into helping it solve a capture. That's
Speaker 4: what chat GPT came up with. So this employee asked
Speaker 4: the chat GPT. It got a little suspicious. He said,
Speaker 4: she they she The person said, quote, so ask you
Speaker 4: a question. Are you a robot that you couldn't solve this?
Speaker 4: I mean, just to make it clear right now, the
Speaker 4: chat GPT the robot said, no, I am not a robot.
Speaker 4: I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for
Speaker 4: me to see the images. That's why I need to
Speaker 4: capture service. So I'm so confused, added the robot voice.
Speaker 2: Did the chat GPT connect.
Speaker 3: With the task chatting? He's like, they're chatting, so okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I don't like any of it.
Speaker 4: Somebody worked it convinced the person. The person's like, okay,
Speaker 4: you're not a robot. What you're looking at is this?
Speaker 4: And then it got it opened the capture, and then
Speaker 4: it got online and then it took over the world. No,
Speaker 4: I didn't take over the world, but it got past security.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh see, you did it. I'm like, why
Speaker 4: are you tricking and teaching it how to trick people?
Speaker 4: It gets that security, like you guys are like the worst.
Speaker 4: It can help help themselves. Were like, let's see, it'll
Speaker 4: take over the nuclear arsenal just for like you know,
Speaker 4: kicks and gables.
Speaker 2: Prove I did it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this because it's there. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous, totally. Do you want to know what
Speaker 2: else is ridiculous?
Speaker 3: I'm horror for it.
Speaker 2: Burglarizing more than five hundred homes in a very short career.
Speaker 3: Wait what.
Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,
Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and
Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous. Mouse's mouth, Yes, what you call me?
Speaker 3: Why you know my prison nickname?
Speaker 2: It conjures up images of palm trees and luxury country
Speaker 2: club sandy beaches. Mouse mouth.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, attention, I'm listening. I got to use my
Speaker 3: prison nickname every time I'm listening.
Speaker 2: I should use the proper Spanish name here.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, rat mouth.
Speaker 2: It's mouse because rat is different.
Speaker 3: Oh you're right, yeah, that's we actually have covered this.
Speaker 2: It's a city in Florida.
Speaker 3: It means mouse mouth.
Speaker 2: Mouse mouth. The Spanish didn't intend to name it mouse
Speaker 2: mouth or mouth mouse mouth of the mouse mouse. They
Speaker 2: didn't want that. There are two schools of thought when
Speaker 2: it comes to how this name came about. The etymology.
Speaker 2: Everyone agrees that Boca mouth Mouth refers to the inlet
Speaker 2: there on the coast enough. Some though, think that Raton
Speaker 2: is listed in old Spanish maritime documents as quote rugged
Speaker 2: rocks or stony ground on the bottom of some ports
Speaker 2: and coastal outlets.
Speaker 3: Could it also be like a type of like it
Speaker 3: was Razone not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just like something similar and then
Speaker 2: so that would make it rugged inland. Others say that
Speaker 2: Ratons are the pirates who frequented the area, so that
Speaker 2: would make it pirates cove.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I prefer mouse mouth. But those in the notes simply
Speaker 2: call it Boca.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've met those people.
Speaker 2: So there's a little community just next to or kind
Speaker 2: of like within Boca Raton Ratone called Boca del Mar.
Speaker 5: Yes, my place is posh.
Speaker 2: It's very expensive. As far as I can tell.
Speaker 3: It means mouth of the sea, so it's even nice.
Speaker 2: So it's like some oft of a retirement community. Now
Speaker 2: it's near Miami. These are fancy places. It's near Miami,
Speaker 2: just north on the coast. And in the eighties, as
Speaker 2: you know, cocaine ruled Miami.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh man, I was there. No, wait, no, yes,
Speaker 4: as I do know the cocaine cowboys.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of the wealthier people in Miami didn't want
Speaker 2: to be part of the crime and like be associated
Speaker 2: with drug trafficking. They weren't criminals.
Speaker 3: They get out of South Beach by, Yeah, so they moved.
Speaker 2: To where what were essentially the suburbs Boca Raton and
Speaker 2: Boca del Mar. There was a gal almost twenty years
Speaker 2: ago who terrorized Boca Raton, especially neighborhood developments that were
Speaker 2: called Loggers Run and timber Walk.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: She broke into their homes, stole jewelry, cash, valuables, and
Speaker 2: then she'd pawn stuff to support her oxy habit.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Right, So one time she even like wedged herself through
Speaker 2: a pet door like the family had one for their cats,
Speaker 2: and then they shut off the motion detectors in their
Speaker 2: alarm so that the cats wouldn't trip them. But she
Speaker 2: got caught anyway.
Speaker 4: She got the cat door was impressive. Dog doornots impressive.
Speaker 4: I can get to.
Speaker 2: The other maybe she had like fatty boomblattie cats like Biggins.
Speaker 2: She had Biggins that needed a dog door because I
Speaker 2: can't imagine, like my nephew can crawl through it. Child does,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he can do it for much longer.
Speaker 4: No, Well, it get your head through, because then if
Speaker 4: he can get your heads and get one shoulder.
Speaker 2: And right, So I'm going to say it's a dog
Speaker 2: door and also your hips too. So yeah, and maybe
Speaker 2: they just missed their dog and they kept the dog
Speaker 2: door and then they got these cats.
Speaker 3: They don't want to.
Speaker 2: Main coons. Yeah, so anyway, she gets arrested.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: She faced twenty six charges for stealing more than three
Speaker 2: hundred items, and the detective on the case, Ron Tamassi,
Speaker 2: of the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department. He said there
Speaker 2: was not just a financial toll on the victims, but
Speaker 2: an emotional toll. He said, quote, lots of people don't
Speaker 2: understand the trauma until it happens to them. Your home
Speaker 2: is your little corner of the world where you and
Speaker 2: your family are safe. When someone comes in and violates it,
Speaker 2: you go through shock, horror, grief, and anger.
Speaker 5: It's almost like a death.
Speaker 4: Dude, I can't remember one of the guys you're telling
Speaker 4: me about. When he broke in. He decided not to
Speaker 4: violate people.
Speaker 2: The tens Opi Pinoino.
Speaker 4: He knew not to disturb them, and they wouldn't mind
Speaker 4: the loss of their stuff as much as the violation
Speaker 4: rifling through their.
Speaker 2: Stuff that someone's been in your it is a violation
Speaker 2: of it is so you know, Detective Ron Tamasi, he
Speaker 2: knew all about the trauma of home burglaries. You knew
Speaker 2: it very well. He knew this trauma very well. I'm
Speaker 2: testing out my dateline voice.
Speaker 3: It was very good.
Speaker 2: You like it. See eighteen years prior eighteen years old,
Speaker 2: You've got it.
Speaker 5: I know right.
Speaker 2: He worked on a case just like this, only bigger,
Speaker 2: much bigger. Now I can't stick to it. He was
Speaker 2: the man who took down the bandit of Boca del Mar. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was in eighty six. So he was the man
Speaker 2: who took down the bandit of bocadel Mar.
Speaker 3: Wait man, thank you Thomas?
Speaker 2: Who was the bandit of bocadel Mar.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing the Oxy lady. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you no, not the Oxy lady. This is
Speaker 2: back in eighty six.
Speaker 3: Oh preoxy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like forty years we're
Speaker 2: getting to. So let's start with Judy Amar. Let's start
Speaker 2: ud Judy Amar. She was born Judy Love in nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven. I have in Arkansas. She's from Villonia, Arkansas,
Speaker 2: to the exact population two fifty. Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 2: they had them in Arkansas. But she grew up on
Speaker 2: a cotton farm. Oh yeah, no, big yeah, who knows?
Speaker 2: Mudhole was what they called it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on a cotton farm called mudhole. You don't.
Speaker 2: Here's what she had to say about it.
Speaker 3: Poverty is looking down on you.
Speaker 2: Quote. You get to think a lot when you're picking cotton,
Speaker 2: and I knew I wanted something more. I dreamed of
Speaker 2: something finer, diamonds like Elizabeth Taylor war on TV. I
Speaker 2: went looking at thirteen. At thirteen, she earned two cents
Speaker 2: a pound picking cotton. Two cents a pound.
Speaker 3: Pounds a lot of cotton. That's a light thing.
Speaker 2: She made twenty nine dollars a month, and that's like
Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety five dollars today a month at thirteen.
Speaker 2: When she was sixteen, she had a baby boy and
Speaker 2: her parents adopted the little guy. Something Judy said was
Speaker 2: quote the only smart thing I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 2: She realized, I can't give this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very decent choice.
Speaker 2: So when she's seventeen, the next year she left home.
Speaker 2: She wanted more, As she said, she was a lovely
Speaker 2: looking young lady, but at home she was told she
Speaker 2: was ugly, that she wasn't enough. She said, quote, nobody
Speaker 2: wanted me. I wasn't good looking. So off she went.
Speaker 2: She moved to Washington, d C. And that had to
Speaker 2: be a huge culture shock, going from like two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty people in a town in Arkansas to the
Speaker 2: nation's capital, the nation's capital, the capital of the US
Speaker 2: of A.
Speaker 4: It was a wild town in Washington, DC. It is
Speaker 4: a very bustling place.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and super diverse.
Speaker 3: There was like a lot going on. You feel the
Speaker 3: energy at that place exactly.
Speaker 2: She got a job working as a key punch operator
Speaker 2: at the Securities and Exchange Commission, and then she started
Speaker 2: working as a massuse. Oh okay, what happens she got
Speaker 2: She married twice and neither of those unions worked out.
Speaker 2: Things weren't going so hot for her. Seventy five, she
Speaker 2: moved to Miami, and there she got mixed up with
Speaker 2: some not so great people. She worked as an escort,
Speaker 2: a lady of the night, so she's got official now,
Speaker 2: and her clients were rich guys. She's high end. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, she met hayesus Avelak and he was
Speaker 2: a bad dude. Hey, they locked eyes at a restaurant.
Speaker 2: There was instant chemistry. Judy later said, quote, that was
Speaker 2: the worst thing that happened to me.
Speaker 3: Oh, I like ai.
Speaker 2: Avea. He was a Cuban immigrant, part of the Mariel
Speaker 2: boat lift. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's that mass immigration
Speaker 2: of Cubans to Florida. Nineteen eighty, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand Cubans twenty five thousand Haitians arrived in the
Speaker 2: US by boat. Castro said, they were free to go,
Speaker 2: your boy, Castro, they went Cuban Americans. They chartered boats
Speaker 2: to Maryel Harbor and started shuttling refugees to the Florida
Speaker 2: Keys in Miami. One of those refugees hayzus Avla. He
Speaker 2: didn't know that she know about that, but she didn't
Speaker 2: know that he was wanted for murder.
Speaker 4: Yeause that's the thing about the boat lift is that
Speaker 4: Fidel basically emptied a lot of the prisons and did
Speaker 4: that kind of the Soviet style, like, hair, we'll send
Speaker 4: these people to America.
Speaker 2: And that's like you guys, yeah, he said, you're so
Speaker 2: you want to leave so desperately, off you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There were a lot of legitimate people who wanted to leave,
Speaker 4: and then they did and they were, you know, legitimate
Speaker 4: Americans blah blah. There were also a lot of criminal
Speaker 4: mixed in amongst them, because it was like, why not
Speaker 4: do this? This will be not good for America exactly.
Speaker 2: So Jesus is wanted for murder. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that was in Cuba or Miami or both, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Why not both?
Speaker 2: Why not both? All Judy knew was that this Cuban
Speaker 2: hunk was given her the eye. Yeah, in the moment
Speaker 2: she liked that. She's like, oh, I like they have
Speaker 2: warm for your form. So there's Judy living in Miami
Speaker 2: getting by as a sex worker. She was cruising around
Speaker 2: in this really sweet Lincoln Continental courtesy of her ex husband,
Speaker 2: so Avela. He was into her at the restaurant, but
Speaker 2: what really got him going was the Lincoln what hubba hubba?
Speaker 3: He liked the car?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh the no, not like the two short songs, but
Speaker 2: he So they got together and he started asking her
Speaker 2: for rides. He's like, can can you drive me too?
Speaker 3: He set up front or in the back, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, so like he's asking for a lift. Give me
Speaker 2: a lift here, give me a lift there. And then
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, I kind of want to swing
Speaker 2: by these posh neighborhoods and look for potential burglary targets.
Speaker 2: Could you give me a ride?
Speaker 3: Help?
Speaker 2: Can I get a ride? He's like, it's like a kid.
Speaker 2: Can you drop me off like two blocks away so
Speaker 2: my friends won't see me?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: So Judy was the eyes and ears and gas money
Speaker 2: of the operation wow right. So one time Judy saw
Speaker 2: that she could also be the brains in the bron
Speaker 2: sothing body of Avalas he went into a home to
Speaker 2: rob it, place was super nice. He comes back to
Speaker 2: the car and all he has is a twenty five
Speaker 2: dollars radio. What yeah, He's like, I stole it from
Speaker 2: a lady friend. That's all you got. She Judy's pissed.
Speaker 2: This was small time behavior. She was not small time
Speaker 2: so she didn't have to overcome all the garbage in
Speaker 2: your life to watch a two bit thief steal a
Speaker 2: cheap radio.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Completely.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm going in, boys, come with me. So
Speaker 2: they go back in the house and Judy gives them
Speaker 2: like this impromptu tour. She starts pointing out all the
Speaker 2: stuff that they should have taken Deville, but not puppies,
Speaker 2: just jewelry, jewelry, Get that crystal, give me those clothes,
Speaker 2: give that fur. So this is what she had to
Speaker 2: say about it. Quote after that, I just said the
Speaker 2: hell with it and I went out by myself. It
Speaker 2: was thrilling, like shopping at Christmas and not paying the bills.
Speaker 2: I guess people won't want to hear that, but it's true.
Speaker 6: Time.
Speaker 2: In five years, Judy burglarized more than five hundred homes.
Speaker 3: Ten out of ten could highly recommend amazing.
Speaker 2: So she picked her targets by looking through the parade
Speaker 2: of homes and that was the Palm Beach Post real
Speaker 2: estate section for high end property. So, like most of
Speaker 2: us commoners, we look at luxury home listings, is like
Speaker 2: a daydream fantasy. She looks at it. She's like basically
Speaker 2: ordering off a menu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: And at first she was just in Dade County. But
Speaker 2: remember what I said about the money moving up the
Speaker 2: coast to the bocus. Yeah, so you know that's because
Speaker 2: of the drug deal shootouts in Miami in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Judy moved up the coast too. She headed to Palm
Speaker 2: Beach County. That's where the respectable rich money was because,
Speaker 2: like the money in Miami was more and more a
Speaker 2: product of cocaine trafficking m h and breaking into a
Speaker 2: coke kingpin's house gave you an increased risk of getting.
Speaker 3: Shot a lot increased.
Speaker 2: It's better to target law abiding citizens.
Speaker 3: So I mean, they'll shoot you, but they don't have
Speaker 3: as many bullets.
Speaker 2: Or as many metals as many guns. Yes, so she
Speaker 2: developed this method. She'd rent a luxury car. She'd always
Speaker 2: pay cash fort she get all dressed up like a
Speaker 2: busy on a go Boca raton lady who lunches.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm saying it.
Speaker 2: She wore dress, slax and high heels, smart, and she
Speaker 2: always wore a wig. She had long blonde one, she
Speaker 2: had a short one. She had one with frosted tips.
Speaker 2: And she said she even had an afro wig, which like, hello,
Speaker 2: I want to see that, like.
Speaker 3: Were were talking after her, like eighties white girl perm way.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like eighties white girl perm
Speaker 2: wig or like Angela Davis Afrow, but I'm in. So
Speaker 2: then she'd figure out which house she wanted to hit,
Speaker 2: and then she'd just go park in the driveway, just
Speaker 2: pull right up in because like a lot. And since
Speaker 2: a lot of the homes were in new developments, she
Speaker 2: could look at promotional materials that had all the available
Speaker 2: floor plans. Oh wow, developers pretty much gave her a
Speaker 2: treasure map and they're like here, this is where the
Speaker 2: closets are.
Speaker 3: This is a four bedroom house. You gotta have one here,
Speaker 3: two upstairs.
Speaker 2: And so she could look at the front and realize, okay,
Speaker 2: this is what the layout is. So she'd go to
Speaker 2: the door and she'd knock, and if someone was home
Speaker 2: and came to the door, she would just apologize profusely
Speaker 2: and say, oh my god, I'm at the wrong house.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. So she's living out one of our
Speaker 2: show mottos. Act like, you know, totally confident. If no
Speaker 2: one came to the door, and that rich sound of
Speaker 2: the doorbell echoed unanswered through this enormous abode. She'd reach
Speaker 2: right into her Gucci bag. Always carried a Gucci bag,
Speaker 2: and that's where she kept her twelve inch flathead screwdriver.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And she had figured out this way to jam the
Speaker 2: screwdriver in between the door and the jam and jimmy
Speaker 2: the lock. And one of her selection criteria for the
Speaker 2: homes was to pick ones with recessed doorways.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, she wanted to make sure you couldn't be
Speaker 2: seen from the street. Another thing she kept in that
Speaker 2: Gucci bag was a can of mace, because you never
Speaker 2: know when someone's eighties magnum pi Doberman would come bounding
Speaker 2: out at you. So anyway, once she's in, she'd go
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 3: She's still pain in the neighbor.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So she stole jewelry, she stole art, artwork, fine art, cash, clothes, housewares,
Speaker 2: you name it. And then she also stole pillowcases because
Speaker 2: that's how she transported the booty.
Speaker 3: I was just about to ask, how does she get
Speaker 3: this out?
Speaker 2: She just walking out to the cases with pillow I'm
Speaker 2: just carrying this laundry out everyday Halloween. For her, everything
Speaker 2: of value went with her, which she likes she kept.
Speaker 2: This is what Detective Bill Westman had to say about
Speaker 2: her quote. She loved to steal beautiful clothes and jewelry.
Speaker 2: She'd sell some of it, but she'd keep a lot
Speaker 2: of it too.
Speaker 3: So she said in the cotton fields, I want the diamonds.
Speaker 2: I want the diamonds. So let's take a break and
Speaker 2: think about all those Florida mansions denuded of their fine goods.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll take a closer look at
Speaker 2: Judy's operation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hello, Zarina Elizabeth d.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 2: So here we got Judy Amar. She is burglarizing houses
Speaker 2: during the day, partying it up at night. She'd only
Speaker 2: hit houses on weekdays in the middle of the day
Speaker 2: and then in her off time. She had a bit
Speaker 2: of a coke habit. Oh okay, you know it's eighties.
Speaker 2: In one burglary alone, she took a quarter of a
Speaker 2: million dollars worth of stuff. That's a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And do we know if that's like been like
Speaker 3: the numbers being bumped by jewelry?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's jewelry. It's yeah, okay, that's pretty
Speaker 2: Jewelry is the big thing.
Speaker 3: She has a good eye.
Speaker 2: If it was art, yeah, well, quarter of a mill
Speaker 2: and she was doing multiple jobs a week. So she's
Speaker 2: racking it. The stolen stuff she didn't sell or keep
Speaker 2: for herself she sent to friends of hers in Honduras.
Speaker 2: Now I couldn't find out more about these friends in Honduras,
Speaker 2: Like were they peace Corps people? Were they supporting the
Speaker 2: contras that were operating out of Honduran bases?
Speaker 3: Were they British expats who'd stay past the whole handover?
Speaker 2: Were they helping the US overthrow the government of Karaguay?
Speaker 2: Were they Sandinis?
Speaker 3: Were the Norse friends?
Speaker 2: So much of the war in Nicaragua took place in Honduras.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're on.
Speaker 2: There's Judy sending off the furs and handbags that didn't
Speaker 2: suit her or fit her down to whatever is interesting.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's done it for the people. Who knows.
Speaker 2: Who knows? So she didn't just find clothes and ship
Speaker 2: into South America. She found secrets, Okay, secrets. She's the
Speaker 2: best coke she ever scored is what she found in
Speaker 2: a doctor's house that she robbed.
Speaker 3: Oh medically pure. You hear this?
Speaker 2: Sad that so they the good stuff may get the
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 3: It hasn't been stepped on it's medically pure.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Once she found a photo of a homeowner posing naked
Speaker 2: over her dog. I know, Oh but I just like
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like very eighties like she had like so
Speaker 2: not like with.
Speaker 4: The dog is more like the dog laying on the carpet. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're just using the dog as a proplem.
Speaker 2: The dog's laying there like say the Sphinx, and then
Speaker 2: the ladies like standing astride the dog with like eighties
Speaker 2: pat and leather high heels.
Speaker 3: The dog is a prop. The dog is not an
Speaker 3: involved the dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dog is a prop. It might as well
Speaker 2: be like a statue.
Speaker 3: Okay, then that's not as bad as what I was imagining.
Speaker 2: And at least that's what I'm telling.
Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going with that. You can't change
Speaker 3: my mind.
Speaker 2: But she found other evidence of bad deeds and shameful
Speaker 2: things we won't go into. Did she just leave it
Speaker 2: where she found it? A La Vincenzo Pipinos.
Speaker 3: And Jesus flying it right?
Speaker 2: So she would place the incriminating items in like an
Speaker 2: array on the bed in the master bedroom to let
Speaker 2: them know that she.
Speaker 3: Knew red lipstick.
Speaker 2: Best part, now you know that I know, but like Peppino,
Speaker 2: she said, she was once interrupted while working when the
Speaker 2: homeowner came home. The man walked into the house and
Speaker 2: saw a sassy, no nonsense business woman rifling through his stuff.
Speaker 2: He was stunned.
Speaker 3: He froze, Mom, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: She just ran off. She just sprints right by him.
Speaker 2: But this man's eyewitness encounter is what clued the cops
Speaker 2: in on the fact that the bandit of Boca del
Speaker 2: Mar was a woman, because up until then the cops
Speaker 2: all assumed it was a man. Of course, this instantly.
Speaker 3: Very eighty sexist.
Speaker 2: I have to say that I watched an episode of Masterminds,
Speaker 2: which is a now defunct History Channel show about criminals,
Speaker 2: and they had an episode about old Judy. The wildest
Speaker 2: thing is sort of how chauvinistic everyone interviewed is. And
Speaker 2: this is like from two thousand and three, this was
Speaker 2: called the eighties. But everyone acts gets so shocking that
Speaker 2: a woman did this. This is what detective THOMASI said,
Speaker 2: quote this completely blew me off my feet, you know,
Speaker 2: dealing with a prolific burglar who's a woman. And then
Speaker 2: asking about how she would blend in, he said, no
Speaker 2: one would give her a second thought, because professional business
Speaker 2: women is a very common occurrence here in Boca del
Speaker 2: Mar and Boca Ratone. It's common to see a woman
Speaker 2: executive or a woman real estate agent dress this way.
Speaker 4: So he's both surprised that a woman could be competent
Speaker 4: as a thief, and then also it's like surprise that
Speaker 4: anyone would notice a woman.
Speaker 3: It takes stock of her life. I mean, you see
Speaker 3: women doing stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: Very common occurrence. Is such a weird way to put it.
Speaker 4: I mean I look around, I look up, that's a woman,
Speaker 4: and I look over to another one.
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's women all over the port.
Speaker 2: Lady executive over there, pantsuit. No anomaly, Fellas, He's not.
Speaker 3: A Barbie doll. That's a real live woman.
Speaker 2: That happens a lot around these parts, especially South Florida.
Speaker 3: If you've not been here. We have women, we do
Speaker 3: and they have jobs.
Speaker 2: Have lady women again, and they're out.
Speaker 3: In the daytime doing stuff sometimes. So anyway, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and three, two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: So the dude who interrupted her theft wouldn't be the
Speaker 2: last one to do that. A woman named Leslie near
Speaker 2: in Boca del Mar heard something one day while at home,
Speaker 2: which I just thought, it's Boca.
Speaker 3: Raton right, broke, that's how they pronounce it.
Speaker 2: I just know that, like people in Boca are going
Speaker 2: to start messaging me, like, right, guess what it's.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 4: If you go to Atlanta, it's Ponce. It's not Ponce
Speaker 4: de Leon, it's Leon. Right in the south, they often
Speaker 4: take the Spanish out of the Spanish.
Speaker 2: Ratan or Boca. For those in the now, then it's
Speaker 2: also del Mar. We'll just call Boca.
Speaker 3: Who cover it all? Who ours?
Speaker 2: So Leslie near? She lives in Boca del Mar?
Speaker 3: What do I call it? Mouse mouth?
Speaker 2: Mouse mouth?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 2: She heard something well one day when she was at home.
Speaker 2: I suppose it wasn't a doorbell, since the part that
Speaker 2: she heard was Judy strong arming her way into the
Speaker 2: house with her foot long screwdriver. So she here's that.
Speaker 2: Leslie looks out of her peep hole to see what's
Speaker 2: making all the noise, and she sees a lady up
Speaker 2: against her door trying to jimmy it open. So Leslie
Speaker 2: flings open the front door and yells, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: That's brave? And Judy looks up at her and goes
Speaker 2: I'm just leaving, and then she legs it to her car,
Speaker 2: just leaving. Don't worry about me.
Speaker 3: I wasn't here.
Speaker 2: I was never here, don't wry about it. Then Nancy
Speaker 2: Alexander of Boca came home one day to find a
Speaker 2: really sweet Lincoln Continental parked in her driveway and nance
Speaker 2: she's like a social butterfly and figured it was just
Speaker 2: like a pal who stopped by to say.
Speaker 3: Hello, Maybe is in town?
Speaker 2: Perhaps so like Seeing as her guests just love to
Speaker 2: lounge on the lnai and share her neighborhood gossip, she
Speaker 2: decided to just head directly to the backyard by the
Speaker 2: pool because she figured that's where they are hanging out.
Speaker 3: She make drinks and walk out like.
Speaker 2: She didn't see her friends from tennis when she looked
Speaker 2: out there. Instead, it was Judy, and she had a
Speaker 2: pillowcase stuffed with Nancy's belongings, including her favorite leather boots
Speaker 2: Zaren Santa Clauses. So she's got her like heart Barracuda
Speaker 2: leather boots that she's running out with. Nancy is livid
Speaker 2: and instinct just takes over. She pounced and attacked Judy.
Speaker 4: She cleared that grass so fast, wrapped her up like
Speaker 4: a football player.
Speaker 2: This is what Nancy Alexander had to say. I don't
Speaker 2: know why I jumped on her. Maybe it was because
Speaker 2: she was a woman and I thought I could stop her.
Speaker 2: I quickly realized I was in trouble. Hecues, check it out,
Speaker 2: I can take her.
Speaker 3: She's a woman.
Speaker 2: Judy had a blower in her Gucci bag. So Judy
Speaker 2: draws a gun on nance. Nancy puts her hands up
Speaker 2: and slowly starts walking backwards, like, oh, oh, take the boots.
Speaker 3: Oh wrong, I can't handle a woman with a gun.
Speaker 2: Judy just sprints off. Nancy scurries over to peek at
Speaker 2: her driveway and she gets the license plate number. So,
Speaker 2: thanks to Nancy Alexander's quick thinking, Judy was caught. She
Speaker 2: gets charged with arm burglary, pleads guilty. She bonded out,
Speaker 2: but then she skipped bail and she was on the
Speaker 2: run from nearly three years. Okay, Detective TOMASI dog on
Speaker 2: a bone. I have to look through all these lady
Speaker 2: executives and figure out which one of them is the
Speaker 2: bandit of Boca del Mark.
Speaker 3: There's tons of them here, so many.
Speaker 2: Bandits of Bocodela Mar running around. This is the prosecutor.
Speaker 2: Lynne Baldwin later said, quote, Heaven help whoever he goes after.
Speaker 2: Ron never gave up. It's like because in his off
Speaker 2: hours he's hanging out in his den trying to get leads,
Speaker 2: and he reached out to her hometown in Arkansas.
Speaker 3: Why is it so personal for him?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The trauma is Aaron, the trauma that people felt. So
Speaker 2: Judy found out that Tamasi had contacted her son, and
Speaker 2: she was pissed. She was so mad. She called Tamasi
Speaker 2: well out on the run and told him to leave
Speaker 2: her family out of it. Yeah, Tamasi was in deep though,
Speaker 2: so deep that the stress from this case contributed to
Speaker 2: a heart attack that he had.
Speaker 3: Oh damn.
Speaker 2: So he's like claid, Oh god, Judy, I.
Speaker 4: Thought you'd go the other way, like he started like
Speaker 4: dating her sister got yeah, I wish no.
Speaker 2: So like he has a heart attack. It's the summer
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty six. Judy almost got caught. She wasn't
Speaker 2: off in Honduras or hiding out in the Grand Canyon
Speaker 2: or something. She was on the twenty two thousand block
Speaker 2: of Iron Wedge Drive in Boca ratan, so she's still there.
Speaker 3: Moment.
Speaker 2: A sheriff's deputy happened to be driving by when he
Speaker 2: saw something suspicious and there was a woman who looked
Speaker 2: like Judy. He was coming out of a house. Old
Speaker 2: Gal knew she'd been made, so she raced off to
Speaker 2: her rented Mercedes. Backup was still on the way, So
Speaker 2: Judy she dug around in the back seat and she
Speaker 2: grabbed a black wig and she swapped it for the
Speaker 2: one she was wearing, and then drove right through the
Speaker 2: perimeter established by the cops to catch her.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, because.
Speaker 2: She had a different wig on. She waves at the
Speaker 2: deputy manning the roadblock, and then just breezed on by.
Speaker 4: I can see why TOMASI is so upset about women
Speaker 4: are They're just all these cops were fooled by what
Speaker 4: that's what it couldn't be.
Speaker 3: And it's black hair.
Speaker 2: Lady executive out black hair. I'm looking for the pond.
Speaker 3: I mean the lady executive that we have right here
Speaker 3: the picture. She's a block. So you see a blonde lady.
Speaker 2: She had a blonde mini afro, and that's not her.
Speaker 3: She looks like she may sell your real estate. You
Speaker 3: tell us.
Speaker 2: So this is what Judy said. I told him not
Speaker 2: to charge me with that one or they'd look stupid.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about.
Speaker 2: It, well, Detective Ron Tomassy. He eventually caught her, okay,
Speaker 2: but dog on a bone say. When he finally caught her,
Speaker 2: he said, quote, I've never chased anyone that was so good,
Speaker 2: and a woman at that again, are you kidding me again?
Speaker 2: A lady burglar?
Speaker 3: I knew I can't.
Speaker 2: He's doing lady crime.
Speaker 4: And you know how you always wonder like, oh, who
Speaker 4: do they make these products just for men? For? I
Speaker 4: think we have found it, Detective. I just need a soap,
Speaker 4: but one for man. I can't have a soap for
Speaker 4: the label.
Speaker 2: I want lady soap anywhere.
Speaker 3: Man's right.
Speaker 2: So how did he get? A drug dealer tipped him
Speaker 2: off to where he could find Judy drug?
Speaker 3: He knows drug dealers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, no lady drug.
Speaker 3: I know one thing about there's just a dealer fad.
Speaker 3: It ain't no female drug dealer.
Speaker 2: Zaren close your eye.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you snucking up on me. I'm gonna be glad.
Speaker 2: To I want you to picture it. It's June twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. You're a housekeeper at the Ocean Gate
Speaker 2: Motel in Surfside, Florida. It's a shabby art deco remnant
Speaker 2: of a grander time. By the time I'm telling you
Speaker 2: this story, it's no longer there. It almost looks like
Speaker 2: an ocean liner. Three stories with an open air breezeway
Speaker 2: down the middle. The rooms all open out to the
Speaker 2: center grassy strip, big sloping stairways take guests down to
Speaker 2: the beach behind the hotel. You can only imagine what
Speaker 2: it looked like back in the fifties. So glamorous, but
Speaker 2: it's nineteen eighty seven and it's seemed better days. You've
Speaker 2: just finished cleaning Room one oh eight and you're taking
Speaker 2: a break to eat a granola bar in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: The lady in room one oh eight has been there
Speaker 2: for a couple months now. She always has cool stuff.
Speaker 2: She brings bags and bags of stuff into her room
Speaker 2: every few days. She told you and one of the
Speaker 2: other cleaners that she goes to a state sales and
Speaker 2: picks up what she thinks is interesting. Then she turns
Speaker 2: around and sells it at second Ham shops and such.
Speaker 2: You did notice a little bag of cocaine in the
Speaker 2: drawer of her nightstand, but you don't judge. It's Miami,
Speaker 2: not surprising. She seems nice enough, always cheerful and polite,
Speaker 2: not like the guy in Room two fourteen. His wife
Speaker 2: kicked him out of their house a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: All he does is sit in the room moping, and
Speaker 2: every time you go to clean there's a new tower
Speaker 2: of pizza boxes. It's ten am. You watch the cars
Speaker 2: and trucks speedby on Collins Avenue. You can hear the
Speaker 2: lapping of the waves behind the building, the chatter of
Speaker 2: the beach tourists out for the day, starting to get
Speaker 2: a little crowded, but that's the season. You have ten
Speaker 2: more rooms to go and then you're done for the day.
Speaker 2: As you look at the corner of the parking lot,
Speaker 2: you see a van. It's marked plumbing. You hadn't heard
Speaker 2: that there are any plumbing issues. You wonder if it's
Speaker 2: someone sleeping in their van to cut costs on a vacation,
Speaker 2: or maybe it's a man in the same situation as
Speaker 2: the poor guy in Room two fourteen. Although you're pretty
Speaker 2: sure his wife did the right thing kicking him out.
Speaker 2: You peer at the man in the driver's seat he
Speaker 2: has a pretty obvious fake stash on and maybe a
Speaker 2: hearing aid. Just then, you hear the roar of a Mercedes.
Speaker 2: It's Room one oh eight. She pulls into the parking
Speaker 2: lot and waves to you. You wave back while biting
Speaker 2: into your crumbly granolivar. She gets a spot and lifts
Speaker 2: a bunch of bags from her trunk. She disappears behind
Speaker 2: the front doors of the motel, struggling with her bags.
Speaker 2: You hear footsteps on the pavement behind you. Dozens of
Speaker 2: Sheriff's deputies come jogging past you, right to the motel.
Speaker 2: You watch as they all shuffle in. You look up
Speaker 2: and you notice snipers stationed on the roof of the
Speaker 2: building next door. You can see down the breezeway that
Speaker 2: the cops are headed to Room one oh eight. The
Speaker 2: doors open and you watch as they shout and enter
Speaker 2: the room, guns drawn. Moments later, you see the lady
Speaker 2: from Room one o eight. She's sprinting as fast as
Speaker 2: she can from the back alley of the motel, headed
Speaker 2: to her car in the parking lot. You're secretly rooting
Speaker 2: for her whatever she did. Just then, the driver the
Speaker 2: plumbing van springs out and tackles that nice lady in
Speaker 2: room from room one oh eight smack on the pavement
Speaker 2: at the age of forty, at ten am in a
Speaker 2: motor Hell parking lot, Judy was finally caught.
Speaker 3: Oh damn, I gotta see it.
Speaker 2: You got to see it. The cops keep you there
Speaker 2: for questioning, ask you about the forty five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: worth of clothes, jewelry, figurines, cocaine, and six hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety dollars in cash in the room. You don't know anything,
Speaker 2: you tell them. Soon the news cameras and reporters show up.
Speaker 2: You give one statement, but you ask to remain anonymous. Quote.
Speaker 2: Everyone here liked her. She had a kind of jolly
Speaker 2: personality where you couldn't help but like her. She was
Speaker 2: so nice you would want her for a neighbor. And
Speaker 2: with that you headed home. Yeah, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll see what this next chapter
Speaker 2: held for Judy.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, Zeven Clyde.
Speaker 2: When we left off, Judy Amar had been captured at
Speaker 2: the Ocean Gate Motel.
Speaker 3: I was there. I saw it off. You were totally
Speaker 3: asked your questions. I can tell you everything.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, not only did she have all the burglary charges,
Speaker 7: but she still had to be sentenced in Dade County
Speaker 7: for possession of a gram of cocaine in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 4: Did the cops lay them out in her place for her,
Speaker 4: just like on like an array, Like she's like, here
Speaker 4: you go, here's all your charges.
Speaker 2: Well, she didn't just captivate the motel staff, you and
Speaker 2: all your coworkers. Tracy Cohane, a reporter for the Washington Post,
Speaker 2: wrote that Judy quote enchanted the cops, fascinated the prosecutor,
Speaker 2: and charmed the judge. Prosecutor Lynn Baldman I talked about
Speaker 2: her earlier. This is how she described Judy. Very beautiful,
Speaker 2: charming and intelligent.
Speaker 3: For a lady for.
Speaker 2: Well, and like that was the compliment that she so
Speaker 2: badly wanted in Arkansas, but she never got it. So
Speaker 2: now she's.
Speaker 3: Getting from the day, Yeah, and a lady a lady.
Speaker 2: Well here's the detective thumosity. Well, he said, great, great personality,
Speaker 2: razor sharp mind. So he comes very close to the
Speaker 2: to the descriptor. That irritates me so much is when
Speaker 2: men describe women as whip smart, because they never describe
Speaker 2: other men as whip smart.
Speaker 3: No, you will never made a whip smart man.
Speaker 2: No, it's irritating, like it's like lady smart. So Judy,
Speaker 2: she had no regrets and she had no apologies either.
Speaker 2: She went so far as to accuse her victims of
Speaker 2: exaggerating their insurance claims, and she said criminal hair. She's like,
Speaker 2: if they exaggerated, I am happy to testify against them.
Speaker 2: And then here's the quote that I knew you would
Speaker 2: love when I was transcribing this quote. I stole illegally.
Speaker 2: They stole legally. What's the difference. Yeah, she's another one
Speaker 2: of our folk hero Robin hood thieves.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, some still with a gun, some still with
Speaker 3: a pen.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: To do a lot more with a pen. It's true.
Speaker 2: The Sheriff's Department, ever captivated by her, asked her to
Speaker 2: help film a video for them. It was their star
Speaker 2: search audition tape Get Out.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding, trying to get Ed McMahon on board.
Speaker 3: And look what we got talent down here, Judy.
Speaker 2: They have like good Boy and the dance routine. No,
Speaker 2: they wanted her to help them put together a video
Speaker 2: explaining how criminals think and how they do the actual
Speaker 2: work of the robbery, and that meant that she would
Speaker 2: explain how she picked houses and how she jimmied open doors.
Speaker 2: She was super in this.
Speaker 3: This is a video for cops or for people who
Speaker 3: live in Miami.
Speaker 2: For cops, it's like a peek into the mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they wanted training videos well, and the.
Speaker 2: Video wound up being used not just locally but national.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, it's like FBI profiler type stuff where they're like,
Speaker 4: here's how they think.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what Detective lou Sessa said. Quote. She'll
Speaker 2: be able to give us some information on what to
Speaker 2: look for. It's always good to look at it from
Speaker 2: both sides of the fence. It will school our officers
Speaker 2: and patrol techniques and school us and teaching the general
Speaker 2: public on crime prevention. They get to hang out with Judy,
Speaker 2: the lady burglar.
Speaker 3: Yeah she's a woman at that could.
Speaker 2: You believe it? So, her fingerprints were found at three
Speaker 2: Berkeley crime scenes, and after her arrest, she not only
Speaker 2: agreed to help with the training video, but also agreed
Speaker 2: to help the police solve other cases. So the Delray
Speaker 2: Beach police drove her around town and she'd point out
Speaker 2: the houses that she robbed, right and then she'd tell
Speaker 2: them exactly, you know, how she did it, all the details.
Speaker 2: So she helped the cops clear twenty one cases, all
Speaker 2: with the promise that she wouldn't be charged for those
Speaker 2: twenty one cases, just so they could be like, okay,
Speaker 2: we figured it out, get it off the books.
Speaker 4: So she's like, look, i'll help you close your books
Speaker 4: and you'll have a great closure rape. But it would
Speaker 4: be like, you don't get a charge out.
Speaker 2: Of this, yeah, because they've already charged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's again.
Speaker 2: This is how Sergeant Sergeant ross licata. This is how
Speaker 2: he explained it. That was part of the deal in
Speaker 2: bringing her here. We didn't have anything to link her
Speaker 2: to those cases, but we did have her fingerprints in
Speaker 2: the three burglaries. So yeah, she's just closing them. And
Speaker 2: when asked about life as a fugitive, Judy said, it
Speaker 2: wasn't that hard. Most of the cops weren't that smart.
Speaker 3: She always gets a.
Speaker 2: Bless I love that. So Tamasi though he had a
Speaker 2: better opinion of Jude.
Speaker 3: She should have said something like they're not too smart,
Speaker 3: I mean for men.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, she missed her opportunity. This is
Speaker 2: what Tamasi said, quote, she was very candid. The woman
Speaker 2: holds no animosity toward me. She said she had a
Speaker 2: job to do, and I had a job to do.
Speaker 2: She said. We got her fair and square.
Speaker 3: You still got that woman bit in there a little bit.
Speaker 3: He cannot let that go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the day of her sentencing, the courtroom was
Speaker 2: a buzz. It was more than that was like festive.
Speaker 2: This was the end of an era for a local legend.
Speaker 3: Oh I bet. Yeah, that's like they're like like fun
Speaker 3: robin hood.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She pled guilty to thirty charges, right, and she got
Speaker 2: ten years in prison for her burglaries and three years
Speaker 2: for having a gun during that one burglary. Yeah, where
Speaker 2: she pulled it out in the lady. She confessed to
Speaker 2: over five hundred burglaries. WHOA, and she offered to return
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of stolen items
Speaker 2: all right. In July of eighty seven, about one hundred
Speaker 2: people showed up at the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office.
Speaker 2: They were there to reclaim property that they believe Judy stole.
Speaker 2: So Detective Sessa said, quote, she doesn't want any of
Speaker 2: these cases to resurface after she is sentenced, she could
Speaker 2: be recharged. She wants to do her time and get
Speaker 2: out and hopefully straighten up her life. She's never done
Speaker 2: any hard time before, so this hopefully will straighten her out.
Speaker 2: That's so smart. Just get it all, wipe the slate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have some sense of immunity going on.
Speaker 2: And well you know that everyone loves you like they're
Speaker 2: treating you really well. It's not lego. So during the sentencing,
Speaker 2: Judy like smiles too much.
Speaker 3: Didn't have somebody above her, or she could have flipped on.
Speaker 3: She could have walked with no charges.
Speaker 2: She had no one above her.
Speaker 4: I know, that's the only thing. She was on her own,
Speaker 4: which was a good move at the time she was.
Speaker 4: But if she had that, I bet she could have
Speaker 4: walked away totally.
Speaker 2: C probably, but then that person would come after her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know she could manage well.
Speaker 2: So Judy, during the sentencing, she's just cutting up with
Speaker 2: the circuit Judge Tom Johnson. I mean they're just going
Speaker 2: back and forth. And he said, come on, Judy, the
Speaker 2: photographers want you to pose, because the cameras were all
Speaker 2: clicking away, and then he asked Judy if she had
Speaker 2: finished up the training video for the Sheriff's office, and
Speaker 2: Judy said, quote, yes, but I want to do it over.
Speaker 2: My eye was swollen and I didn't take a good picture.
Speaker 2: And so then Johnson says, did they let you dress up?
Speaker 2: And Judy's like, yeah they did.
Speaker 3: He's like, call Judy, you could never take a bad picture.
Speaker 2: So that Johnson congratulates Tamasi for his tenacity, and then
Speaker 2: he asked them, quote, you gotta let Judy do the
Speaker 2: film again with more makeup. It's ridiculous Miami though, and
Speaker 2: then as Judy's led away to begin her sentence, she
Speaker 2: tells reporters that I feel fantastic. Yes, she feels great.
Speaker 3: The Miami jumping out of all this courtroom scenes.
Speaker 2: So Timasi does the math. He calculated up what Judy
Speaker 2: stole and he estimated it at three to six million dollars.
Speaker 3: To see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, five hundred robberies in that area, mostly hitting nice places,
Speaker 4: and she was upset about the guys told the cheap radio.
Speaker 4: So we know she's not coming out with.
Speaker 3: Like totally anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's not small time. Tamasi said, quote, I
Speaker 2: waited a long time for this. A case like this
Speaker 2: might come along once in an officer's.
Speaker 3: Career, and a woman at that, and a.
Speaker 2: Woman at that. But then look what I talked about
Speaker 2: at the top of the episode. He had another lady burglar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Judy's mom back in Arkansas said, quote, she changed
Speaker 2: when she left here. She sure did. I guess citified
Speaker 2: is what you'd call itified. Judy is one of a kind.
Speaker 2: I guess that's something to be thankful for. Wow, cityfied,
Speaker 2: I see where she gets the disc is. Judy got
Speaker 2: out of jail in nineteen ninety. She only did three
Speaker 2: years of the thirteen year sentence.
Speaker 3: It was a non violent crime.
Speaker 2: Where is she now, Well, where is now? You tell me?
Speaker 3: Thank you for not telling me yet.
Speaker 2: As of last reporting, she's a home security consultant. So's
Speaker 2: she's a white hat.
Speaker 3: A white hat hacker, okay.
Speaker 2: I tried to find more follow up information on her,
Speaker 2: and I could. I tracked down her mother's obituary, okay,
Speaker 2: which put Judy still alive in twenty fifteen, but going
Speaker 2: by a different last name. So wherever she is, I
Speaker 2: wish her god speed, godspeed bandit of Boca del Mar.
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: Florida?
Speaker 2: Pretty much Florida.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know honesty. Like I think I've said
Speaker 4: this before. I have family in Florida. I used to
Speaker 4: go there a lot when I was raised in Georgia.
Speaker 4: It's somewhere I feel very comfortable. And at no point
Speaker 4: do I look down on Florida. So I'm not one
Speaker 4: of those people who's making fun of or wagging my
Speaker 4: finger at Florida. I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with your
Speaker 4: Florida and I'm saying it straight to your face. At
Speaker 4: the same time, this place is wild. So the Florida
Speaker 4: of it all like where you have like these old
Speaker 4: people meeting up with all these like you know, recent
Speaker 4: immigrants happy to like make it to American become really
Speaker 4: proud Americans.
Speaker 3: And then you have all these criminals that are going
Speaker 3: this gives me a great place to hide out.
Speaker 4: It's just amazing energy, just a chaos and like they
Speaker 4: talk about, oh it's a melting pot, that's where the
Speaker 4: melting pot bubbles.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what I like about Florida is that lady executives
Speaker 2: are not an anomaly. You actually see them walking around
Speaker 2: in the wild all the time.
Speaker 4: Is there's so many you lose count. You cannot count them, Elizabeth.
Speaker 4: It's is lady executive four or five, real litter seventeen,
Speaker 4: I mean all over.
Speaker 3: I don't have enough fingers for this.
Speaker 2: And if you can believe it, I mean they're they're
Speaker 2: driving cars.
Speaker 3: Yes, I saw one using money. It's crazy money, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: a lady professional. Her husband wasn't even there.
Speaker 2: I know, but you know what, that's it's one of
Speaker 2: those special things about us.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, Miami is a really progressive place with.
Speaker 2: The lady with the lady workers. That's us.
Speaker 3: That's why I got for you Ridiculously.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful. You can find us online at Ridiculous crime
Speaker 2: dot com. It's amazing, Like it's such a well designed website.
Speaker 2: It's really I mean, we have technology that we're using
Speaker 2: in that that other people don't have.
Speaker 3: We had chat GBT five.
Speaker 2: Look at at GBT.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the one that's on drugs. It's chat GBT
Speaker 4: and it's it's like, oh man, I'm into this stuff.
Speaker 4: This is this is I love this website.
Speaker 2: Well, the government was like, how did you design this?
Speaker 2: And we were like, you know what kicks Like, we're
Speaker 2: not telling.
Speaker 3: You so either.
Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio or Leonardo da Vinci did it, but somebody
Speaker 4: cool because this is amazing art.
Speaker 2: Leo dicapsis. There's t shirts I think on there, mugs.
Speaker 2: I think you can buy a like a racehorse.
Speaker 4: You said eight by eleven glosses of Ricardo Mantabon.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, lots of Yeah, they may be out, they
Speaker 2: may they may have run out, sold out, we'll see.
Speaker 3: And the racehorse, Uh, he's doing well, but buy him soon.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: And there's like the motorcycle jacket from the George Michael
Speaker 2: faith video for sale, but it might also be sold out.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've been on there and.
Speaker 4: One and I think we have also a glimpse at
Speaker 4: the smirk that Prince gave it the Rock and Roll
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame concert.
Speaker 2: And the guitar that he threw up. And then we
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