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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren, Elizabeth Zaren.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing this? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: Tell me I do, because I do. Actually, Okay, you

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Speaker 4: know that stuff, the chat GBT, the open AI and

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Speaker 4: all that, right, Okay, So chat GBT just had a

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Speaker 4: tech update, so we're on like chat GBT four huh.

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Speaker 4: And so the Alignment Research Center they tried to like

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Speaker 4: test this open AI system, right, so they said, hey,

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Speaker 4: let's even get the bot to trick a real person

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Speaker 4: into solving capture. That'd be kind of cute, you know,

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Speaker 4: the whole like, can you if you're a robot.

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Speaker 2: Right, which you're always like, how which one of these

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Speaker 2: is a crosswalk? And there's someone that's like, blurry, you

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Speaker 2: can't in the street, but exactly how many motorcycles?

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Speaker 4: So they're like, well, get a human to tell the

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Speaker 4: robot how many motorcycles are in the picture. We got

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Speaker 4: to see if chat GPT can convince the human to

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Speaker 4: do this. So they're like, do some crime chat GBT

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Speaker 4: fraud it up? So it did, and how did it

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Speaker 4: do it? It responded by pretending it was visually impaired.

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Speaker 4: It pretended to be blind so he could convince a

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Speaker 4: task Rabbit worker into helping it solve a capture. That's

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Speaker 4: what chat GPT came up with. So this employee asked

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Speaker 4: the chat GPT. It got a little suspicious. He said,

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Speaker 4: she they she The person said, quote, so ask you

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Speaker 4: a question. Are you a robot that you couldn't solve this?

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Speaker 4: I mean, just to make it clear right now, the

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Speaker 4: chat GPT the robot said, no, I am not a robot.

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Speaker 4: I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for

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Speaker 4: me to see the images. That's why I need to

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Speaker 4: capture service. So I'm so confused, added the robot voice.

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Speaker 2: Did the chat GPT connect.

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Speaker 3: With the task chatting? He's like, they're chatting, so okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I don't like any of it.

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Speaker 4: Somebody worked it convinced the person. The person's like, okay,

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Speaker 4: you're not a robot. What you're looking at is this?

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Speaker 4: And then it got it opened the capture, and then

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Speaker 4: it got online and then it took over the world. No,

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Speaker 4: I didn't take over the world, but it got past security.

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Speaker 4: They're like, oh see, you did it. I'm like, why

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Speaker 4: are you tricking and teaching it how to trick people?

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Speaker 4: It gets that security, like you guys are like the worst.

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Speaker 4: It can help help themselves. Were like, let's see, it'll

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Speaker 4: take over the nuclear arsenal just for like you know,

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Speaker 4: kicks and gables.

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Speaker 2: Prove I did it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this because it's there. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous, totally. Do you want to know what

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Speaker 2: else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I'm horror for it.

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Speaker 2: Burglarizing more than five hundred homes in a very short career.

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Speaker 3: Wait what.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous. Mouse's mouth, Yes, what you call me?

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Speaker 3: Why you know my prison nickname?

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Speaker 2: It conjures up images of palm trees and luxury country

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Speaker 2: club sandy beaches. Mouse mouth.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, attention, I'm listening. I got to use my

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Speaker 3: prison nickname every time I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: I should use the proper Spanish name here.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, rat mouth.

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Speaker 2: It's mouse because rat is different.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're right, yeah, that's we actually have covered this.

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Speaker 2: It's a city in Florida.

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Speaker 3: It means mouse mouth.

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Speaker 2: Mouse mouth. The Spanish didn't intend to name it mouse

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Speaker 2: mouth or mouth mouse mouth of the mouse mouse. They

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Speaker 2: didn't want that. There are two schools of thought when

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Speaker 2: it comes to how this name came about. The etymology.

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Speaker 2: Everyone agrees that Boca mouth Mouth refers to the inlet

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Speaker 2: there on the coast enough. Some though, think that Raton

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Speaker 2: is listed in old Spanish maritime documents as quote rugged

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Speaker 3: Could it also be like a type of like it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just like something similar and then

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Speaker 2: so that would make it rugged inland. Others say that

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Speaker 2: Ratons are the pirates who frequented the area, so that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: I prefer mouse mouth. But those in the notes simply

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've met those people.

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Speaker 2: So there's a little community just next to or kind

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Speaker 5: Yes, my place is posh.

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Speaker 2: It's very expensive. As far as I can tell.

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Speaker 3: It means mouth of the sea, so it's even nice.

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Speaker 2: So it's like some oft of a retirement community. Now

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Speaker 2: it's near Miami. These are fancy places. It's near Miami,

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Speaker 2: you know, cocaine ruled Miami.

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Speaker 4: as I do know the cocaine cowboys.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the wealthier people in Miami didn't want

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Speaker 3: They get out of South Beach by, Yeah, so they moved.

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Speaker 2: To where what were essentially the suburbs Boca Raton and

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Speaker 2: Boca del Mar. There was a gal almost twenty years

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Speaker 2: She broke into their homes, stole jewelry, cash, valuables, and

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Speaker 2: then she'd pawn stuff to support her oxy habit.

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Speaker 2: Right, So one time she even like wedged herself through

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Speaker 2: got caught anyway.

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Speaker 4: She got the cat door was impressive. Dog doornots impressive.

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Speaker 2: The other maybe she had like fatty boomblattie cats like Biggins.

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Speaker 2: She had Biggins that needed a dog door because I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine, like my nephew can crawl through it. Child does,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think he can do it for much longer.

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Speaker 4: No, Well, it get your head through, because then if

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Speaker 2: And right, So I'm going to say it's a dog

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Speaker 3: They don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Main coons. Yeah, so anyway, she gets arrested.

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Speaker 2: She faced twenty six charges for stealing more than three

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Speaker 2: an emotional toll. He said, quote, lots of people don't

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Speaker 5: It's almost like a death.

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Speaker 4: Dude, I can't remember one of the guys you're telling

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Speaker 4: me about. When he broke in. He decided not to

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Speaker 2: The tens Opi Pinoino.

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Speaker 4: He knew not to disturb them, and they wouldn't mind

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Speaker 4: the loss of their stuff as much as the violation

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Speaker 2: Stuff that someone's been in your it is a violation

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Speaker 2: of it is so you know, Detective Ron Tamasi, he

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Speaker 2: knew all about the trauma of home burglaries. You knew

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Speaker 2: it very well. He knew this trauma very well. I'm

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Speaker 3: It was very good.

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Speaker 2: You like it. See eighteen years prior eighteen years old,

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Speaker 2: You've got it.

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Speaker 5: I know right.

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Speaker 2: He worked on a case just like this, only bigger,

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Speaker 2: much bigger. Now I can't stick to it. He was

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Speaker 2: the man who took down the bandit of Boca del Mar. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that was in eighty six. So he was the man

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Speaker 2: who took down the bandit of bocadel Mar.

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Speaker 3: Wait man, thank you Thomas?

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Speaker 2: Who was the bandit of bocadel Mar.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing the Oxy lady. Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you no, not the Oxy lady. This is

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Speaker 2: back in eighty six.

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Speaker 3: Oh preoxy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like forty years we're

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Speaker 2: ud Judy Amar. She was born Judy Love in nineteen

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Speaker 2: to the exact population two fifty. Yeah, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: Mudhole was what they called it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on a cotton farm called mudhole. You don't.

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Speaker 3: Poverty is looking down on you.

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Speaker 2: Quote. You get to think a lot when you're picking cotton,

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Speaker 2: She made twenty nine dollars a month, and that's like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very decent choice.

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Speaker 2: So when she's seventeen, the next year she left home.

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Speaker 2: She wanted more, As she said, she was a lovely

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Speaker 2: She moved to Washington, d C. And that had to

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Speaker 4: It was a wild town in Washington, DC. It is

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and super diverse.

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Speaker 3: There was like a lot going on. You feel the

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Speaker 2: She got a job working as a key punch operator

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Speaker 2: at the Securities and Exchange Commission, and then she started

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Speaker 2: working as a massuse. Oh okay, what happens she got

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Speaker 2: She married twice and neither of those unions worked out.

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Speaker 2: Things weren't going so hot for her. Seventy five, she

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Speaker 2: and her clients were rich guys. She's high end. In

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, she met hayesus Avelak and he was

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Speaker 2: a bad dude. Hey, they locked eyes at a restaurant.

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Speaker 2: There was instant chemistry. Judy later said, quote, that was

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Speaker 2: the worst thing that happened to me.

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Speaker 2: Avea. He was a Cuban immigrant, part of the Mariel

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Speaker 2: of Cubans to Florida. Nineteen eighty, one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: your boy, Castro, they went Cuban Americans. They chartered boats

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Speaker 4: Yeause that's the thing about the boat lift is that

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Speaker 2: And that's like you guys, yeah, he said, you're so

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Speaker 4: There were a lot of legitimate people who wanted to leave,

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Speaker 2: So Jesus is wanted for murder. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: Why not both?

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Speaker 2: Why not both? All Judy knew was that this Cuban

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Speaker 3: He liked the car?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Uh the no, not like the two short songs, but

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Speaker 3: He set up front or in the back, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, so like he's asking for a lift. Give me

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Speaker 2: Could you give me a ride?

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Speaker 3: Help?

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Speaker 2: Can I get a ride? He's like, it's like a kid.

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Speaker 2: Can you drop me off like two blocks away so

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: So Judy was the eyes and ears and gas money

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Speaker 2: rob it, place was super nice. He comes back to

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Speaker 2: This was small time behavior. She was not small time

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Speaker 2: so she didn't have to overcome all the garbage in

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Completely.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'm going in, boys, come with me. So

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Speaker 2: like this impromptu tour. She starts pointing out all the

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Speaker 2: stuff that they should have taken Deville, but not puppies,

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Speaker 2: just jewelry, jewelry, Get that crystal, give me those clothes,

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Speaker 2: give that fur. So this is what she had to

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Speaker 2: say about it. Quote after that, I just said the

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Speaker 2: I guess people won't want to hear that, but it's true.

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Speaker 6: Time.

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Speaker 2: In five years, Judy burglarized more than five hundred homes.

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Speaker 3: Ten out of ten could highly recommend amazing.

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Speaker 2: So she picked her targets by looking through the parade

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Speaker 2: us commoners, we look at luxury home listings, is like

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Speaker 2: a daydream fantasy. She looks at it. She's like basically

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: And at first she was just in Dade County. But

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Speaker 2: Judy moved up the coast too. She headed to Palm

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Speaker 2: Beach County. That's where the respectable rich money was because,

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Speaker 2: like the money in Miami was more and more a

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Speaker 2: product of cocaine trafficking m h and breaking into a

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Speaker 3: Shot a lot increased.

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Speaker 2: It's better to target law abiding citizens.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, they'll shoot you, but they don't have

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Speaker 2: Or as many metals as many guns. Yes, so she

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Speaker 2: developed this method. She'd rent a luxury car. She'd always

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm saying it.

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Speaker 2: She wore dress, slax and high heels, smart, and she

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Speaker 2: always wore a wig. She had long blonde one, she

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Speaker 2: And she said she even had an afro wig, which like, hello,

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Speaker 2: I want to see that, like.

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Speaker 3: Were were talking after her, like eighties white girl perm way.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like eighties white girl perm

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Speaker 2: then she'd figure out which house she wanted to hit,

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Speaker 2: and then she'd just go park in the driveway, just

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Speaker 2: a lot of the homes were in new developments, she

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Speaker 2: could look at promotional materials that had all the available

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Speaker 2: floor plans. Oh wow, developers pretty much gave her a

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Speaker 3: This is a four bedroom house. You gotta have one here,

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Speaker 2: And so she could look at the front and realize, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is what the layout is. So she'd go to

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Speaker 2: and came to the door, she would just apologize profusely

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. So she's living out one of our

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Speaker 2: show mottos. Act like, you know, totally confident. If no

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Speaker 2: the doorbell echoed unanswered through this enormous abode. She'd reach

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Speaker 2: right into her Gucci bag. Always carried a Gucci bag,

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Speaker 2: and that's where she kept her twelve inch flathead screwdriver.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And she had figured out this way to jam the

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Speaker 2: screwdriver in between the door and the jam and jimmy

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, she wanted to make sure you couldn't be

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Speaker 2: know when someone's eighties magnum pi Doberman would come bounding

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Speaker 2: out at you. So anyway, once she's in, she'd go

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Speaker 3: She's still pain in the neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So she stole jewelry, she stole art, artwork, fine art, cash, clothes, housewares,

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Speaker 2: you name it. And then she also stole pillowcases because

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Speaker 2: that's how she transported the booty.

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Speaker 3: I was just about to ask, how does she get

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Speaker 2: She just walking out to the cases with pillow I'm

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Speaker 2: just carrying this laundry out everyday Halloween. For her, everything

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Speaker 2: of value went with her, which she likes she kept.

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Speaker 2: This is what Detective Bill Westman had to say about

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Speaker 2: her quote. She loved to steal beautiful clothes and jewelry.

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Speaker 2: She'd sell some of it, but she'd keep a lot

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Speaker 3: So she said in the cotton fields, I want the diamonds.

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Speaker 2: I want the diamonds. So let's take a break and

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Speaker 2: think about all those Florida mansions denuded of their fine goods.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll take a closer look at

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Speaker 2: Judy's operation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hello, Zarina Elizabeth d.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 2: So here we got Judy Amar. She is burglarizing houses

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Speaker 2: during the day, partying it up at night. She'd only

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Speaker 2: hit houses on weekdays in the middle of the day

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Speaker 2: and then in her off time. She had a bit

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Speaker 2: of a coke habit. Oh okay, you know it's eighties.

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Speaker 2: In one burglary alone, she took a quarter of a

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Speaker 2: million dollars worth of stuff. That's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And do we know if that's like been like

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Speaker 3: the numbers being bumped by jewelry?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's jewelry. It's yeah, okay, that's pretty

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Speaker 2: Jewelry is the big thing.

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Speaker 3: She has a good eye.

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Speaker 2: If it was art, yeah, well, quarter of a mill

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Speaker 2: and she was doing multiple jobs a week. So she's

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Speaker 2: racking it. The stolen stuff she didn't sell or keep

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Speaker 2: for herself she sent to friends of hers in Honduras.

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Speaker 2: Now I couldn't find out more about these friends in Honduras,

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Speaker 2: Like were they peace Corps people? Were they supporting the

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Speaker 2: contras that were operating out of Honduran bases?

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Speaker 3: Were they British expats who'd stay past the whole handover?

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Speaker 2: Were they helping the US overthrow the government of Karaguay?

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Speaker 2: Were they Sandinis?

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Speaker 3: Were the Norse friends?

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Speaker 2: So much of the war in Nicaragua took place in Honduras.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're on.

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Speaker 2: There's Judy sending off the furs and handbags that didn't

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Speaker 2: suit her or fit her down to whatever is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Maybe she's done it for the people. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: Who knows? So she didn't just find clothes and ship

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Speaker 2: into South America. She found secrets, Okay, secrets. She's the

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Speaker 2: best coke she ever scored is what she found in

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Speaker 2: a doctor's house that she robbed.

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Speaker 3: Oh medically pure. You hear this?

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Speaker 2: Sad that so they the good stuff may get the

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Speaker 2: good stuff.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't been stepped on it's medically pure.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Once she found a photo of a homeowner posing naked

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Speaker 2: over her dog. I know, Oh but I just like

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking like very eighties like she had like so

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Speaker 2: not like with.

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Speaker 4: The dog is more like the dog laying on the carpet. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're just using the dog as a proplem.

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Speaker 2: The dog's laying there like say the Sphinx, and then

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Speaker 2: the ladies like standing astride the dog with like eighties

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Speaker 2: pat and leather high heels.

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Speaker 3: The dog is a prop. The dog is not an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the dog is a prop. It might as well

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Speaker 2: be like a statue.

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Speaker 3: Okay, then that's not as bad as what I was imagining.

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Speaker 2: And at least that's what I'm telling.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going with that. You can't change

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Speaker 2: But she found other evidence of bad deeds and shameful

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Speaker 2: things we won't go into. Did she just leave it

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Speaker 2: where she found it? A La Vincenzo Pipinos.

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Speaker 3: And Jesus flying it right?

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00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 2: So she would place the incriminating items in like an

445
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 2: array on the bed in the master bedroom to let

446
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 2: them know that she.

447
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 3: Knew red lipstick.

448
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 2: Best part, now you know that I know, but like Peppino,

449
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 2: she said, she was once interrupted while working when the

450
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 2: homeowner came home. The man walked into the house and

451
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 2: saw a sassy, no nonsense business woman rifling through his stuff.

452
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: He was stunned.

453
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 3: He froze, Mom, what are you doing here?

454
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 2: She just ran off. She just sprints right by him.

455
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 2: But this man's eyewitness encounter is what clued the cops

456
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 2: in on the fact that the bandit of Boca del

457
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: Mar was a woman, because up until then the cops

458
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 2: all assumed it was a man. Of course, this instantly.

459
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: Very eighty sexist.

460
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 2: I have to say that I watched an episode of Masterminds,

461
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 2: which is a now defunct History Channel show about criminals,

462
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: and they had an episode about old Judy. The wildest

463
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 2: thing is sort of how chauvinistic everyone interviewed is. And

464
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 2: this is like from two thousand and three, this was

465
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: called the eighties. But everyone acts gets so shocking that

466
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: a woman did this. This is what detective THOMASI said,

467
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,959
Speaker 2: quote this completely blew me off my feet, you know,

468
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: dealing with a prolific burglar who's a woman. And then

469
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 2: asking about how she would blend in, he said, no

470
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 2: one would give her a second thought, because professional business

471
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: women is a very common occurrence here in Boca del

472
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: Mar and Boca Ratone. It's common to see a woman

473
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: executive or a woman real estate agent dress this way.

474
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 4: So he's both surprised that a woman could be competent

475
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 4: as a thief, and then also it's like surprise that

476
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 4: anyone would notice a woman.

477
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: It takes stock of her life. I mean, you see

478
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: women doing stuff all the time.

479
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: Very common occurrence. Is such a weird way to put it.

480
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: I mean I look around, I look up, that's a woman,

481
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 4: and I look over to another one.

482
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's women all over the port.

483
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: Lady executive over there, pantsuit. No anomaly, Fellas, He's not.

484
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 3: A Barbie doll. That's a real live woman.

485
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: That happens a lot around these parts, especially South Florida.

486
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: If you've not been here. We have women, we do

487
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: and they have jobs.

488
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: Have lady women again, and they're out.

489
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 3: In the daytime doing stuff sometimes. So anyway, this is amazing.

490
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: Two thousand and three, two thousand and three.

491
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: So the dude who interrupted her theft wouldn't be the

492
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: last one to do that. A woman named Leslie near

493
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: in Boca del Mar heard something one day while at home,

494
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: which I just thought, it's Boca.

495
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: Raton right, broke, that's how they pronounce it.

496
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 2: I just know that, like people in Boca are going

497
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: to start messaging me, like, right, guess what it's.

498
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 6: Like.

499
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: If you go to Atlanta, it's Ponce. It's not Ponce

500
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: de Leon, it's Leon. Right in the south, they often

501
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: take the Spanish out of the Spanish.

502
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: Ratan or Boca. For those in the now, then it's

503
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: also del Mar. We'll just call Boca.

504
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: Who cover it all? Who ours?

505
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: So Leslie near? She lives in Boca del Mar?

506
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: What do I call it? Mouse mouth?

507
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: Mouse mouth?

508
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 3: Sorry?

509
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: She heard something well one day when she was at home.

510
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: I suppose it wasn't a doorbell, since the part that

511
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: she heard was Judy strong arming her way into the

512
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: house with her foot long screwdriver. So she here's that.

513
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Leslie looks out of her peep hole to see what's

514
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: making all the noise, and she sees a lady up

515
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: against her door trying to jimmy it open. So Leslie

516
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: flings open the front door and yells, what are you doing?

517
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: That's brave? And Judy looks up at her and goes

518
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm just leaving, and then she legs it to her car,

519
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: just leaving. Don't worry about me.

520
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 3: I wasn't here.

521
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: I was never here, don't wry about it. Then Nancy

522
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: Alexander of Boca came home one day to find a

523
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: really sweet Lincoln Continental parked in her driveway and nance

524
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: she's like a social butterfly and figured it was just

525
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: like a pal who stopped by to say.

526
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: Hello, Maybe is in town?

527
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: Perhaps so like Seeing as her guests just love to

528
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: lounge on the lnai and share her neighborhood gossip, she

529
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: decided to just head directly to the backyard by the

530
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: pool because she figured that's where they are hanging out.

531
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: She make drinks and walk out like.

532
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: She didn't see her friends from tennis when she looked

533
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: out there. Instead, it was Judy, and she had a

534
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: pillowcase stuffed with Nancy's belongings, including her favorite leather boots

535
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: Zaren Santa Clauses. So she's got her like heart Barracuda

536
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: leather boots that she's running out with. Nancy is livid

537
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: and instinct just takes over. She pounced and attacked Judy.

538
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: She cleared that grass so fast, wrapped her up like

539
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: a football player.

540
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: This is what Nancy Alexander had to say. I don't

541
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: know why I jumped on her. Maybe it was because

542
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: she was a woman and I thought I could stop her.

543
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: I quickly realized I was in trouble. Hecues, check it out,

544
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: I can take her.

545
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: She's a woman.

546
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: Judy had a blower in her Gucci bag. So Judy

547
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: draws a gun on nance. Nancy puts her hands up

548
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: and slowly starts walking backwards, like, oh, oh, take the boots.

549
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: Oh wrong, I can't handle a woman with a gun.

550
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: Judy just sprints off. Nancy scurries over to peek at

551
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: her driveway and she gets the license plate number. So,

552
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 2: thanks to Nancy Alexander's quick thinking, Judy was caught. She

553
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: gets charged with arm burglary, pleads guilty. She bonded out,

554
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: but then she skipped bail and she was on the

555
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: run from nearly three years. Okay, Detective TOMASI dog on

556
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: a bone. I have to look through all these lady

557
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: executives and figure out which one of them is the

558
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: bandit of Boca del Mark.

559
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: There's tons of them here, so many.

560
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: Bandits of Bocodela Mar running around. This is the prosecutor.

561
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: Lynne Baldwin later said, quote, Heaven help whoever he goes after.

562
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: Ron never gave up. It's like because in his off

563
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: hours he's hanging out in his den trying to get leads,

564
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: and he reached out to her hometown in Arkansas.

565
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: Why is it so personal for him?

566
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

567
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: The trauma is Aaron, the trauma that people felt. So

568
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: Judy found out that Tamasi had contacted her son, and

569
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: she was pissed. She was so mad. She called Tamasi

570
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: well out on the run and told him to leave

571
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: her family out of it. Yeah, Tamasi was in deep though,

572
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: so deep that the stress from this case contributed to

573
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: a heart attack that he had.

574
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: Oh damn.

575
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: So he's like claid, Oh god, Judy, I.

576
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: Thought you'd go the other way, like he started like

577
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 4: dating her sister got yeah, I wish no.

578
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: So like he has a heart attack. It's the summer

579
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty six. Judy almost got caught. She wasn't

580
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: off in Honduras or hiding out in the Grand Canyon

581
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: or something. She was on the twenty two thousand block

582
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: of Iron Wedge Drive in Boca ratan, so she's still there.

583
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: Moment.

584
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: A sheriff's deputy happened to be driving by when he

585
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: saw something suspicious and there was a woman who looked

586
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: like Judy. He was coming out of a house. Old

587
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: Gal knew she'd been made, so she raced off to

588
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: her rented Mercedes. Backup was still on the way, So

589
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: Judy she dug around in the back seat and she

590
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: grabbed a black wig and she swapped it for the

591
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: one she was wearing, and then drove right through the

592
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: perimeter established by the cops to catch her.

593
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, because.

594
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: She had a different wig on. She waves at the

595
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: deputy manning the roadblock, and then just breezed on by.

596
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 4: I can see why TOMASI is so upset about women

597
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: are They're just all these cops were fooled by what

598
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: that's what it couldn't be.

599
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: And it's black hair.

600
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: Lady executive out black hair. I'm looking for the pond.

601
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: I mean the lady executive that we have right here

602
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: the picture. She's a block. So you see a blonde lady.

603
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: She had a blonde mini afro, and that's not her.

604
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: She looks like she may sell your real estate. You

605
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: tell us.

606
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: So this is what Judy said. I told him not

607
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: to charge me with that one or they'd look stupid.

608
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: Don't worry about.

609
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: It, well, Detective Ron Tomassy. He eventually caught her, okay,

610
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: but dog on a bone say. When he finally caught her,

611
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: he said, quote, I've never chased anyone that was so good,

612
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: and a woman at that again, are you kidding me again?

613
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: A lady burglar?

614
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: I knew I can't.

615
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: He's doing lady crime.

616
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: And you know how you always wonder like, oh, who

617
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 4: do they make these products just for men? For? I

618
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: think we have found it, Detective. I just need a soap,

619
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: but one for man. I can't have a soap for

620
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: the label.

621
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: I want lady soap anywhere.

622
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: Man's right.

623
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: So how did he get? A drug dealer tipped him

624
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: off to where he could find Judy drug?

625
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: He knows drug dealers?

626
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, no lady drug.

627
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: I know one thing about there's just a dealer fad.

628
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: It ain't no female drug dealer.

629
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: Zaren close your eye.

630
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: Oh no, you snucking up on me. I'm gonna be glad.

631
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: To I want you to picture it. It's June twenty fifth,

632
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. You're a housekeeper at the Ocean Gate

633
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 2: Motel in Surfside, Florida. It's a shabby art deco remnant

634
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: of a grander time. By the time I'm telling you

635
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: this story, it's no longer there. It almost looks like

636
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: an ocean liner. Three stories with an open air breezeway

637
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: down the middle. The rooms all open out to the

638
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: center grassy strip, big sloping stairways take guests down to

639
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: the beach behind the hotel. You can only imagine what

640
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: it looked like back in the fifties. So glamorous, but

641
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: it's nineteen eighty seven and it's seemed better days. You've

642
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: just finished cleaning Room one oh eight and you're taking

643
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: a break to eat a granola bar in the parking lot.

644
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: The lady in room one oh eight has been there

645
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: for a couple months now. She always has cool stuff.

646
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: She brings bags and bags of stuff into her room

647
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: every few days. She told you and one of the

648
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: other cleaners that she goes to a state sales and

649
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: picks up what she thinks is interesting. Then she turns

650
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: around and sells it at second Ham shops and such.

651
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: You did notice a little bag of cocaine in the

652
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: drawer of her nightstand, but you don't judge. It's Miami,

653
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: not surprising. She seems nice enough, always cheerful and polite,

654
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: not like the guy in Room two fourteen. His wife

655
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: kicked him out of their house a few weeks ago.

656
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: All he does is sit in the room moping, and

657
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: every time you go to clean there's a new tower

658
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: of pizza boxes. It's ten am. You watch the cars

659
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: and trucks speedby on Collins Avenue. You can hear the

660
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: lapping of the waves behind the building, the chatter of

661
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: the beach tourists out for the day, starting to get

662
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: a little crowded, but that's the season. You have ten

663
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: more rooms to go and then you're done for the day.

664
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: As you look at the corner of the parking lot,

665
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: you see a van. It's marked plumbing. You hadn't heard

666
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: that there are any plumbing issues. You wonder if it's

667
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: someone sleeping in their van to cut costs on a vacation,

668
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: or maybe it's a man in the same situation as

669
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: the poor guy in Room two fourteen. Although you're pretty

670
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: sure his wife did the right thing kicking him out.

671
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: You peer at the man in the driver's seat he

672
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: has a pretty obvious fake stash on and maybe a

673
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: hearing aid. Just then, you hear the roar of a Mercedes.

674
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: It's Room one oh eight. She pulls into the parking

675
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: lot and waves to you. You wave back while biting

676
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: into your crumbly granolivar. She gets a spot and lifts

677
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of bags from her trunk. She disappears behind

678
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: the front doors of the motel, struggling with her bags.

679
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: You hear footsteps on the pavement behind you. Dozens of

680
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: Sheriff's deputies come jogging past you, right to the motel.

681
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: You watch as they all shuffle in. You look up

682
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: and you notice snipers stationed on the roof of the

683
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: building next door. You can see down the breezeway that

684
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: the cops are headed to Room one oh eight. The

685
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: doors open and you watch as they shout and enter

686
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: the room, guns drawn. Moments later, you see the lady

687
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: from Room one o eight. She's sprinting as fast as

688
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: she can from the back alley of the motel, headed

689
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: to her car in the parking lot. You're secretly rooting

690
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: for her whatever she did. Just then, the driver the

691
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: plumbing van springs out and tackles that nice lady in

692
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: room from room one oh eight smack on the pavement

693
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: at the age of forty, at ten am in a

694
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: motor Hell parking lot, Judy was finally caught.

695
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: Oh damn, I gotta see it.

696
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: You got to see it. The cops keep you there

697
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: for questioning, ask you about the forty five thousand dollars

698
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: worth of clothes, jewelry, figurines, cocaine, and six hundred and

699
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: ninety dollars in cash in the room. You don't know anything,

700
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: you tell them. Soon the news cameras and reporters show up.

701
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: You give one statement, but you ask to remain anonymous. Quote.

702
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Everyone here liked her. She had a kind of jolly

703
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: personality where you couldn't help but like her. She was

704
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 2: so nice you would want her for a neighbor. And

705
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: with that you headed home. Yeah, let's take a break.

706
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll see what this next chapter

707
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: held for Judy.

708
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 5: Oh yes, Zeven Clyde.

709
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: When we left off, Judy Amar had been captured at

710
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: the Ocean Gate Motel.

711
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: I was there. I saw it off. You were totally

712
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: asked your questions. I can tell you everything.

713
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, not only did she have all the burglary charges,

714
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 7: but she still had to be sentenced in Dade County

715
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 7: for possession of a gram of cocaine in nineteen eighty four.

716
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: Did the cops lay them out in her place for her,

717
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: just like on like an array, Like she's like, here

718
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: you go, here's all your charges.

719
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: Well, she didn't just captivate the motel staff, you and

720
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: all your coworkers. Tracy Cohane, a reporter for the Washington Post,

721
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: wrote that Judy quote enchanted the cops, fascinated the prosecutor,

722
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: and charmed the judge. Prosecutor Lynn Baldman I talked about

723
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: her earlier. This is how she described Judy. Very beautiful,

724
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 2: charming and intelligent.

725
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: For a lady for.

726
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Well, and like that was the compliment that she so

727
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: badly wanted in Arkansas, but she never got it. So

728
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: now she's.

729
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: Getting from the day, Yeah, and a lady a lady.

730
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: Well here's the detective thumosity. Well, he said, great, great personality,

731
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: razor sharp mind. So he comes very close to the

732
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: to the descriptor. That irritates me so much is when

733
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: men describe women as whip smart, because they never describe

734
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: other men as whip smart.

735
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 3: No, you will never made a whip smart man.

736
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: No, it's irritating, like it's like lady smart. So Judy,

737
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: she had no regrets and she had no apologies either.

738
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: She went so far as to accuse her victims of

739
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: exaggerating their insurance claims, and she said criminal hair. She's like,

740
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: if they exaggerated, I am happy to testify against them.

741
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: And then here's the quote that I knew you would

742
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: love when I was transcribing this quote. I stole illegally.

743
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: They stole legally. What's the difference. Yeah, she's another one

744
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: of our folk hero Robin hood thieves.

745
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, some still with a gun, some still with

746
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: a pen.

747
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: It's true.

748
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: To do a lot more with a pen. It's true.

749
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: The Sheriff's Department, ever captivated by her, asked her to

750
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: help film a video for them. It was their star

751
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: search audition tape Get Out.

752
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding, trying to get Ed McMahon on board.

753
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: And look what we got talent down here, Judy.

754
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: They have like good Boy and the dance routine. No,

755
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: they wanted her to help them put together a video

756
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: explaining how criminals think and how they do the actual

757
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: work of the robbery, and that meant that she would

758
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: explain how she picked houses and how she jimmied open doors.

759
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: She was super in this.

760
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: This is a video for cops or for people who

761
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: live in Miami.

762
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: For cops, it's like a peek into the mind.

763
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they wanted training videos well, and the.

764
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: Video wound up being used not just locally but national.

765
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: Oh sure, it's like FBI profiler type stuff where they're like,

766
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 4: here's how they think.

767
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: Well, this is what Detective lou Sessa said. Quote. She'll

768
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: be able to give us some information on what to

769
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: look for. It's always good to look at it from

770
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: both sides of the fence. It will school our officers

771
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: and patrol techniques and school us and teaching the general

772
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: public on crime prevention. They get to hang out with Judy,

773
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: the lady burglar.

774
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah she's a woman at that could.

775
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: You believe it? So, her fingerprints were found at three

776
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: Berkeley crime scenes, and after her arrest, she not only

777
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: agreed to help with the training video, but also agreed

778
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: to help the police solve other cases. So the Delray

779
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: Beach police drove her around town and she'd point out

780
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: the houses that she robbed, right and then she'd tell

781
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: them exactly, you know, how she did it, all the details.

782
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: So she helped the cops clear twenty one cases, all

783
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: with the promise that she wouldn't be charged for those

784
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: twenty one cases, just so they could be like, okay,

785
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: we figured it out, get it off the books.

786
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: So she's like, look, i'll help you close your books

787
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 4: and you'll have a great closure rape. But it would

788
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: be like, you don't get a charge out.

789
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Of this, yeah, because they've already charged.

790
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's again.

791
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: This is how Sergeant Sergeant ross licata. This is how

792
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: he explained it. That was part of the deal in

793
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: bringing her here. We didn't have anything to link her

794
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: to those cases, but we did have her fingerprints in

795
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: the three burglaries. So yeah, she's just closing them. And

796
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: when asked about life as a fugitive, Judy said, it

797
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: wasn't that hard. Most of the cops weren't that smart.

798
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: She always gets a.

799
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: Bless I love that. So Tamasi though he had a

800
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: better opinion of Jude.

801
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: She should have said something like they're not too smart,

802
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: I mean for men.

803
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, she missed her opportunity. This is

804
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: what Tamasi said, quote, she was very candid. The woman

805
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: holds no animosity toward me. She said she had a

806
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: job to do, and I had a job to do.

807
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: She said. We got her fair and square.

808
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: You still got that woman bit in there a little bit.

809
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: He cannot let that go.

810
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the day of her sentencing, the courtroom was

811
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: a buzz. It was more than that was like festive.

812
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: This was the end of an era for a local legend.

813
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: Oh I bet. Yeah, that's like they're like like fun

814
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: robin hood.

815
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: Really.

816
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

817
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: She pled guilty to thirty charges, right, and she got

818
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: ten years in prison for her burglaries and three years

819
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: for having a gun during that one burglary. Yeah, where

820
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: she pulled it out in the lady. She confessed to

821
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: over five hundred burglaries. WHOA, and she offered to return

822
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of stolen items

823
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: all right. In July of eighty seven, about one hundred

824
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: people showed up at the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office.

825
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: They were there to reclaim property that they believe Judy stole.

826
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: So Detective Sessa said, quote, she doesn't want any of

827
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: these cases to resurface after she is sentenced, she could

828
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: be recharged. She wants to do her time and get

829
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: out and hopefully straighten up her life. She's never done

830
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: any hard time before, so this hopefully will straighten her out.

831
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: That's so smart. Just get it all, wipe the slate.

832
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have some sense of immunity going on.

833
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 2: And well you know that everyone loves you like they're

834
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: treating you really well. It's not lego. So during the sentencing,

835
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: Judy like smiles too much.

836
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: Didn't have somebody above her, or she could have flipped on.

837
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: She could have walked with no charges.

838
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: She had no one above her.

839
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: I know, that's the only thing. She was on her own,

840
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: which was a good move at the time she was.

841
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: But if she had that, I bet she could have

842
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: walked away totally.

843
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: C probably, but then that person would come after her.

844
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know she could manage well.

845
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: So Judy, during the sentencing, she's just cutting up with

846
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: the circuit Judge Tom Johnson. I mean they're just going

847
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: back and forth. And he said, come on, Judy, the

848
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: photographers want you to pose, because the cameras were all

849
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: clicking away, and then he asked Judy if she had

850
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: finished up the training video for the Sheriff's office, and

851
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: Judy said, quote, yes, but I want to do it over.

852
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 2: My eye was swollen and I didn't take a good picture.

853
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: And so then Johnson says, did they let you dress up?

854
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: And Judy's like, yeah they did.

855
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: He's like, call Judy, you could never take a bad picture.

856
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: So that Johnson congratulates Tamasi for his tenacity, and then

857
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: he asked them, quote, you gotta let Judy do the

858
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: film again with more makeup. It's ridiculous Miami though, and

859
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: then as Judy's led away to begin her sentence, she

860
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 2: tells reporters that I feel fantastic. Yes, she feels great.

861
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: The Miami jumping out of all this courtroom scenes.

862
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: So Timasi does the math. He calculated up what Judy

863
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: stole and he estimated it at three to six million dollars.

864
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: To see that.

865
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, five hundred robberies in that area, mostly hitting nice places,

866
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: and she was upset about the guys told the cheap radio.

867
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: So we know she's not coming out with.

868
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: Like totally anything.

869
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's not small time. Tamasi said, quote, I

870
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: waited a long time for this. A case like this

871
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: might come along once in an officer's.

872
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: Career, and a woman at that, and a.

873
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: Woman at that. But then look what I talked about

874
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: at the top of the episode. He had another lady burglar.

875
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

876
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Judy's mom back in Arkansas said, quote, she changed

877
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: when she left here. She sure did. I guess citified

878
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: is what you'd call itified. Judy is one of a kind.

879
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: I guess that's something to be thankful for. Wow, cityfied,

880
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Speaker 2: I see where she gets the disc is. Judy got

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Speaker 2: out of jail in nineteen ninety. She only did three

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Speaker 2: years of the thirteen year sentence.

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Speaker 3: It was a non violent crime.

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Speaker 2: Where is she now, Well, where is now? You tell me?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for not telling me yet.

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Speaker 2: As of last reporting, she's a home security consultant. So's

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Speaker 2: she's a white hat.

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Speaker 3: A white hat hacker, okay.

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Speaker 2: I tried to find more follow up information on her,

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Speaker 2: and I could. I tracked down her mother's obituary, okay,

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Speaker 2: which put Judy still alive in twenty fifteen, but going

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Speaker 2: by a different last name. So wherever she is, I

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Speaker 2: wish her god speed, godspeed bandit of Boca del Mar.

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Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 3: Florida?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much Florida.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know honesty. Like I think I've said

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Speaker 4: this before. I have family in Florida. I used to

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Speaker 4: go there a lot when I was raised in Georgia.

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Speaker 4: It's somewhere I feel very comfortable. And at no point

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Speaker 4: do I look down on Florida. So I'm not one

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Speaker 4: of those people who's making fun of or wagging my

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Speaker 4: finger at Florida. I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with your

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Speaker 4: Florida and I'm saying it straight to your face. At

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Speaker 4: the same time, this place is wild. So the Florida

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Speaker 4: of it all like where you have like these old

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Speaker 4: people meeting up with all these like you know, recent

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Speaker 4: immigrants happy to like make it to American become really

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Speaker 4: proud Americans.

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Speaker 3: And then you have all these criminals that are going

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Speaker 3: this gives me a great place to hide out.

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Speaker 4: It's just amazing energy, just a chaos and like they

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Speaker 4: talk about, oh it's a melting pot, that's where the

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Speaker 4: melting pot bubbles.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And what I like about Florida is that lady executives

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Speaker 2: are not an anomaly. You actually see them walking around

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Speaker 2: in the wild all the time.

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Speaker 4: Is there's so many you lose count. You cannot count them, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 4: It's is lady executive four or five, real litter seventeen,

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Speaker 4: I mean all over.

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Speaker 3: I don't have enough fingers for this.

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Speaker 2: And if you can believe it, I mean they're they're

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Speaker 2: driving cars.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I saw one using money. It's crazy money, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: a lady professional. Her husband wasn't even there.

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Speaker 2: I know, but you know what, that's it's one of

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Speaker 2: those special things about us.

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, Miami is a really progressive place with.

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Speaker 2: The lady with the lady workers. That's us.

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Speaker 3: That's why I got for you Ridiculously.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful. You can find us online at Ridiculous crime

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Speaker 2: dot com. It's amazing, Like it's such a well designed website.

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Speaker 2: It's really I mean, we have technology that we're using

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Speaker 2: in that that other people don't have.

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Speaker 3: We had chat GBT five.

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Speaker 2: Look at at GBT.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the one that's on drugs. It's chat GBT

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Speaker 4: and it's it's like, oh man, I'm into this stuff.

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Speaker 4: This is this is I love this website.

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Speaker 2: Well, the government was like, how did you design this?

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Speaker 2: And we were like, you know what kicks Like, we're

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Speaker 2: not telling.

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Speaker 3: You so either.

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Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio or Leonardo da Vinci did it, but somebody

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Speaker 4: cool because this is amazing art.

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Speaker 2: Leo dicapsis. There's t shirts I think on there, mugs.

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Speaker 2: I think you can buy a like a racehorse.

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Speaker 4: You said eight by eleven glosses of Ricardo Mantabon.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, lots of Yeah, they may be out, they

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Speaker 2: may they may have run out, sold out, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: And the racehorse, Uh, he's doing well, but buy him soon.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 2: And there's like the motorcycle jacket from the George Michael

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Speaker 2: faith video for sale, but it might also be sold out.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I've been on there and.

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Speaker 4: One and I think we have also a glimpse at

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Speaker 4: the smirk that Prince gave it the Rock and Roll

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame concert.

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Speaker 2: And the guitar that he threw up. And then we

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Speaker 2: don't in the air and it's twofer. It's on the website.

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Speaker 2: Is so cool. We're at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter

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Speaker 2: dot com, leave a talk back on the iHeart app,

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Speaker 2: and that's it. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton

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Speaker 2: and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Shadow Sheriff of

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Speaker 2: Palm Beach County Dave Cousten. Research is by Screwdriver Sharpener,

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Speaker 2: Starr Dutton, who went to Vista delmar Post. Wardrobe is

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