1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm taking a few days to reset as well as 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: to celebrate. I don't know what the hell is left 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: of this country, not really just my birthday, but in 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: today's conversation, this was recorded on election day with doctor 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, our friend and in house doctor, and I 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: will say I am still, like many of you, still 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: processing where we are and what's in store for us. 10 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: We've talked about this for years. At this point, we 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: know that there is a lot of darkness and a 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: lot of pain that is headed our way beginning in January. 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how we will move move through. I 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: don't know what is needed to move through. What I 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: have been telling people is that you need to fortify. 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: You need to fortify your homes, your hearts, your relationships, 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: your communities, because what is going to be outside of 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the doors each and every day is going to be grotesque. 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: It is going to be miserable, and that is the 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: point to break our culture, our hope, our humanity. And 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: so this conversation Jonathan and I just kind of reflect 22 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: on where we've been over the last few years and 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: where we think we are headed. 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: Folks. 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: You know that whenever we have the opportunity each week 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: to speak with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzl, 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I am always thrilled. And this week we are coming 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: to you. We are recording this on election day. We 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: have no idea as millions of votes have already been 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: cast and millions are lining up to vote what the 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 1: outcome is going to be. But today, Jonathan, I actually 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about the fact that you and I 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: have been in conversation for years. That it began I 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: think during the pandemic or right before the pandemic. 35 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: It is the beginning of the pandemic, the very. 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: Beginning of the pandemic, and I think that both of 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: us started. I asked you to come on to you know, 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: to talk, be a doctor, help us through what we 39 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: were trying to manage. And we've continued the conversation for 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: four years every week, and so I don't know, I 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: guess I want to say, like, how have you been feeling, 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: how have you felt being on WOKEKF weekly for this time. 43 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: We've had so many discussions, so much has happened in 44 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: the world that we've been able to analyze and kind 45 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: of you know, link arms and get through together. So 46 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: how has that felt. 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we retrospect today, We'll do your retrospect the 48 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: greatest of you know, and then we can do a 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: prospect too. I'm happy to do some predictions here. But 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: it's been you know, it's just funny. It really feels 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: like on one hand, and I think rightly so, that 52 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: so much of what we've spoken about has been leading 53 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: up to this moment. In fact, like many many times 54 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: over the past weeks, but particularly over this past week, 55 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: something happened and I'm like Danielle, I talked about that 56 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: six months ago actually, And so if there's something about 57 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: like our process that I think is insightful about something 58 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: that's happening that other people aren't seeing, I mean, that's 59 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: among the many things I look forward to. But it's 60 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: kind of like, it's not like we're conspiracy theorists. We 61 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: are we have our ear to the ground in a way, 62 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: and so I think that in addition to just the 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: great the light of our conversations every week, which are 64 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: just personally therapeutic and speaking to our listeners around the world, 65 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: and beyond in other galaxies. I would say that there's 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: something very prescient I think about our talks, because from 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: everything from judges to election boards, to what would it 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: mean to speak to white men? To what's Harris getting 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: right and wrong? To where's this heading? The impact of 70 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, and especially for me this week, so much 71 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: of our conversation when my book came out was about 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: how public health becomes political. And then of course there 73 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: goes RFK taken floor right out of our water and 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: stuff like that, and so in a way, just there's 75 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: just so many things that I think it's having this 76 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: weekly dialogue kind of lets us unpack things in a 77 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: way that I think is meaningful and useful and I 78 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: think important. 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that we have had our 80 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of a lot of conversations, a 81 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: lot of because you know, you living inside of the 82 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: world of academics, as well as movements in terms of 83 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: public health, in terms of gun violence and gun reform. 84 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: I think that it has helped guide this audience and 85 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: provide some insight and also make people feel less crazy, 86 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: knowing that people who do have their ear to the 87 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: ground are feeling similarly in the way that they are. 88 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. Right before I came on today, 89 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm you know, of course I'm going through the news, 90 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: but I'm not turning on the news because I don't 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: want to hear the chattering for seventy two, you know, hours. 92 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: But I saw for the first time buildings in Washington, 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: d C. Are boarded up, and they are it looks 94 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: as if we were just told that a hurricane was 95 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: headed to Washington, d C. In the way that plywood 96 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: is going up and barricades are going up. And I 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: said to my sister, who was here right before, I 98 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: was just like, wow, this is really a sign of 99 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: the times. And I don't want to ever take these 100 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: images in as normal as just oh, that's what we 101 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: do during elections. And so hearing that and maybe you 102 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: saw the images because they were on BBC, They're on 103 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: the National Review, They're everywhere right now, What does that 104 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: symbolize to you? How does that make you feel to 105 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: see that for the first time in our modern history, 106 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: that this is how our nation's capital is preparing for 107 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: an election. 108 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: It's a sign of the times. We've had those barricades 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: and smaller versions go up. Really after January sixth of 110 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: zillion times, right after Supreme Court decisions, Supreme Court hearings, 111 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: other kinds of things. You know, just use the title 112 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: of an excellent book. This is what we've become because 113 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: the idea that we are a very divided nation. And 114 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: I also think that public gatherings, even celebratory gatherings, are 115 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: wrought with politics. I mean, think about the Super Bowl parade. 116 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: When the Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl last year, 117 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: there was a mass shooting at the super Bowl parade. 118 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: So there's a level of awareness about just public gatherings 119 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: and how people act in public and the relationship between 120 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: like individual liberty and communal responsibility. That just we are 121 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: essentially those barricades right now. That is who we are. 122 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: And so the question of can we work back from that? 123 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: And I do think that there are two models in 124 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: front of us of how to work back from that. 125 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: I mean, Trump is saying I'm going to take control 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: of everything. We don't need these barricades because I'm going 127 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: to take over the mechanisms of everything, and We're going 128 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: to have military parades and all these kind of things. 129 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: And Harris is saying, this is not who we are. 130 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: And let's work back toward a more communal form of 131 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: collaborative government. So in a way, those barricades present two 132 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: very different models of how to move forward that ironically 133 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: both are involved in taking them down, just in very 134 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: different ways. 135 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: What is the mood right now in Tennessee where you are? 136 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: How are people in your state kind of moving about? 137 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: We talked a couple of weeks ago about your record 138 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: early voting that had happened. I talked to a couple 139 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: of people actually in Tennessee that it's said for the 140 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: first time when they went to vote, there were lines 141 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: at early voting and like and feeling a certain kind 142 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: of energy. What has the mood been. 143 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about on this show that slaces like 144 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: Tennessee that figure out this system are going to be 145 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: models for everywhere, right, I mean the problem in Tennessee. 146 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: We have incredible candidates running incredible I'm Sundell Brooks, the 147 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: mother of a victim of the waffle house shooting, is running. 148 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: Megan Barry is running against Marshall Blackburn and has tremendous 149 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: support here in Nsville, where we have a great majority 150 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: of the population of our area. Fantastic candidates covenant moms 151 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: running things like that. The problem is we've been jare manders. 152 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: So we're say we're fighting an uphill battle with both 153 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: arms and both legs tied behind our back. Is kind 154 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: of app and so the question is we're laying the 155 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: groundwork for something here. There's tons of mobilization around gun safety, 156 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: around other issues, and I think partially in the aftermath 157 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: of mass shootings like the ones I write about in 158 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: my book, people started to wake up to hey, wait, 159 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: this system isn't working for us. But it's just hard 160 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: to see how much germandering safe districts like Jim Cooper's 161 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: old district of reliably great Democratic congressman here collapsing those 162 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: into just adomized voting blocks. It's just hard to see how. 163 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: And again, I'm just reinforcing something you and I have 164 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: talked about a million times here, which is when the 165 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: other side controls the judges, and judges can get away 166 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: with yep this. So we're seeing that across the country, 167 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: and so I hope there are some amazing surprise victories here. 168 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: I think we've built coalitions here that I think are 169 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: going to sustain. I think people are aware, but I 170 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: also think that the flip side is if that doesn't happen, 171 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: the other side can say, look, we've built this system 172 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: that can weather even the most energized coalition on the 173 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: other side and still win. And so we'll see. I'm 174 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: going to a bunch of different election watch parties tonight 175 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: for different candidates, and I'll let you know how that goes. 176 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: Please do because I think you know, I think you 177 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: said an important phrase, which is building infrastructure, that the 178 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: ability to turn the reddest of states purple is not 179 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: something that happens overnight. It's not something that happens in 180 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: one election cycle or two election cycles. I never thought 181 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: in my life that I would see the state of 182 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: Georgia turn blue, and it's done so twice. And so 183 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: I think that Georgia is a model for the kinds 184 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: of decades long work that needs to go into these states, 185 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: the same way that we are seeing work being done 186 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: in Texas to mobilize people around these systems of ry 187 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: mandering that have just been the law the land, and like, 188 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: what can people do? But I think that when you 189 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: see a Georgia, when you see in North Carolina, when 190 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: you see these places that are fundamentally have been read 191 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: for generations make this change. It's not like people all 192 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden woke up and had an epiphany. It's 193 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: the work that's being done quietly and largely underfunded that 194 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: gets to this place well. 195 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: But also that we didn't get into this whole overnight either, 196 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: And so there's a fifty year history of Republicans realizing 197 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: that power runs through judiciaries and that grassroots organizations like 198 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: the NRA at the time have tremendous way and deep 199 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: pockets and things like that. And so I do think 200 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: that you and I spoke about in the beginning that 201 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: there was a frustration of our side to not see 202 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: that for quite a long time. And I think right 203 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: now there's it's encouraging to see organizations and other groups 204 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: and people and voters recognizing that this is part of 205 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: the process. That you can go off and say anything 206 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: you want on social media, but if you don't have 207 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: a plan for how school boards and election boards and 208 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: library boards and things like that are the ground on 209 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: which we build. And so I just you know, I 210 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: think we also we've started in a hole in part 211 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: because of this, and I think there's a waking up 212 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: about that. But I don't know, it's funny that like 213 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: Tennessee is the state of al Gore. It's the a 214 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: form of centrism that we used to kind of have 215 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: as a model that would be represented of the what 216 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: was called the time the New South. And so it's 217 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: not like people can't do it, it's just, you know, 218 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: our politics don't allow it. 219 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: Right now, Let's look ahead a little bit if we can. 220 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: I personally can't see a damn things past today, but 221 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: I do want to take a look ahead at the 222 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: two versions of America that we're staring at right now. 223 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: What do you see going forward? If Donald Trump wins. 224 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, predictions are hard. Again, people should know we're speaking 225 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 2: before the election, but you know, I'm happy to predict, 226 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: Like if anybody listens to this, I would bet that 227 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs are going to beat the Tampa 228 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. I'm Monday Night football in overtime by six points, 229 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 2: just a feeling I have. We'll have to see what happens, 230 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: and I guess for the election, the issue is going 231 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: to be. You know, it's funny because I've been asked 232 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: a lot by the media, like how can people heal 233 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: and how can people take back their mental health and 234 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 2: things like that. And what I keep saying is uncomfortable 235 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: blaming that on individual psychology because it's so responsive to 236 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: external factors. And so in a way, if the candidate 237 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: who quote unquote wins the election, says, we've had a 238 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: hard time do this election, and now it's time to 239 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: bring things back together. And unfortunately we're in a zero 240 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: some political system, but let's make sure there are more 241 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: voices at the table that would do more for mental 242 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: health than anything that I could ever recommend in terms 243 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: of like sleep and eat a lot of snacks and 244 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: stuff like that. I don't have a ton of faith 245 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: that if Donald Trump won he would do that. But 246 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: even for Trump, he's been pushed into this crazy dark 247 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: place and also been pushed by people to whom he 248 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: sold his soul, like RFA Junior, to adopt crazy positions. 249 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: And so in a normal election, there would be like, Okay, 250 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: we've had this, let's all come together. But I think 251 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: we have a winner take all, zero sum political system 252 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: that Trump has taken to heart, and for him, winning 253 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: means then wiping out your enemies. And so I guess 254 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: the question would be if this is that, if that 255 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: is the outcome here. There was shock in twenty sixteen 256 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,479 Speaker 2: went he won, and then people mobilized around democratic institutions. 257 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: And the question will be is that going to happen 258 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: here or is his power all that much greater because 259 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: he's like the staypuff marshmallow Man at the end of 260 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: the first Ghostbusters movie, like he's just ingested everything already, 261 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: and he already has more mechanisms of power and more 262 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: of a plan. Are people exhausted from the election or 263 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: is there going to be resilience or are people you know, 264 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: I've heard so many people say people get what they 265 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: deserve or something like that, like kind of let it 266 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: play out as a morality tale. So I think it'll 267 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: be a pretty interesting you know, we can talk about 268 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: this going forward. I think it'll be a pretty interesting 269 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: challenge if that happens, which I don't hope it doesn't. 270 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: For the left, do we move to the center, Do 271 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: we move to the left or we in the resistance? 272 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: Are we just giving up? Are we all going to 273 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: take my advice and move to Dave and Busters? You know? 274 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: And so we'll have to see. I don't know how 275 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: would you answer that question. 276 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't ever remember because this has never happened before, 277 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: the kind of collective anxiety and stress and fear that 278 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: people have right now that you're seeing all around social media. 279 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: And I that I have probably what I call pandemic 280 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: level anxiety right now, where I'm worried about myself, my family, 281 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: everyone around me, and like what is going to happen? 282 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: Like what will America look like moving forward? And you know, 283 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: much in the same way that I don't feel as 284 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: a country we have processed the trauma induced by COVID. 285 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if A Harris wins. I think that 286 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: the work ahead is so hard, right, like, at least 287 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: we know that we can link arms and try and 288 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: build and repair together. But the fracture is so deep 289 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: and so big that it is going to take all 290 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: of us to put it back together. And I don't 291 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: know if we I don't think that we ever go 292 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: back to the before time, much in the same way 293 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: that I feel, like, quote unquote post COVID, that we 294 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: haven't really gone back to a before time. Like you know, 295 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: you know more so than anyone that if you don't 296 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: process trauma, it you know, manifests itself in other ways. 297 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: And so I'm curious as to what that looks like collectively. 298 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: I mean, again, I have very strong opinions about if 299 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: Harris wins, I have very strong opinions, but I don't 300 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: feel like we're there right now. I mean, if Harris winds, 301 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: reparation can't just be let's all come together around the table. 302 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: It actually means trying to understand some deeper currents about 303 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: what Trump has promised other people and why that resonates. 304 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: It's not just like I mean, I'd never forget in 305 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: my book, like some guys said, liberals think that if 306 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: they just shout their policies louder or market them different, 307 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to agree with them. But I actually have 308 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 2: a totally different paradigm. So it'll take understanding different paradigms 309 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: for that. But we're not there right now, Like, let's 310 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: let's figure out what's going to happen. I hope that's 311 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: a problem we have. 312 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean I do. I will say the same. I 313 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: do hope that it is a problem that we have, 314 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: because I think that you and I will continue being 315 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: in conversation about what comes next regardless. But I want 316 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: to say, Jonathan, as we close out today, that I 317 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: really I have deep appreciation for you for the way 318 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: that you've shown up for the WOKF audience over the 319 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: last four years, with such commitment and such passion. It 320 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: really means a lot to me but also to the 321 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: audience to have you as their weekly guide. And I 322 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: really appreciate that. 323 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: I feel the same so deeply, and I'm so excited 324 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: to keep having these conversations and hopefully we'll be having 325 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: them just as we always do, free and open. It 326 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: might be like coming to you live from an undisclosed 327 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: location behind the whack a mole at a Dave Investor somewhere. 328 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: I get no money from Dave Investors. I just am 329 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: a fan. But so you know, TBD. But we will 330 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 2: keep talking, so. 331 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: Everybody real booking talking. Buckle up, hang in there, everybody, 332 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: as Jonathan has been telling us to do for four years, 333 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: appreciate you. That is it for me today, Dear friends 334 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: on WOKEF as always, power to the people and to 335 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.