WEBVTT - Episode 5: The Trial

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin previously on Deep Cover. Greg, you gotta I can't

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<v Speaker 1>just call a prosecutor over here and waste his time.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to tell us what is it we're asking

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor to come for. And that's when he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not the shooter and I want immunity, and so he.

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<v Speaker 2>Starts telling us how it went down. That basically that

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<v Speaker 2>he and Tommy decided one night to go and find

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<v Speaker 2>a black man to kill that black man so that

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<v Speaker 2>they could get their spider web tattoos. As skinheads.

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<v Speaker 3>It was definitely a different type of case. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a skinhead coming to fill a to kill somebody, a

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<v Speaker 3>cowardly act.

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<v Speaker 4>The family and I thought that this would be good

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<v Speaker 4>if we found at least what happened to him. Can't

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<v Speaker 4>do nothing about it, can't bring him back, but at

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<v Speaker 4>least we would find out the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Aroan Wood was murdered in the spring of nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The case had been called for almost twenty years until

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight. That's when tom Guybison was put

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<v Speaker 1>on trial. He stood accused of four charges, ethnic intimidation,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a firearm without a license, conspiracy to commit murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and murder in the first degree. So far, I'd heard

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal about the prosecution's case against him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to hear the defense's case directly from the

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<v Speaker 1>man who made it himself.

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<v Speaker 5>He's scared to death, Jake. They're taking away his life.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Mike Ferrell. He was Tom Guybison's lawyer, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was quick to tell me just how precarious his

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<v Speaker 1>client situation was at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>He's facing life without parole and the only comfort he has,

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<v Speaker 5>and he's got this crooked Irish kid who's trying to

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<v Speaker 5>help him.

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<v Speaker 1>Crooked Irish kid being you correct, Why do you call

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<v Speaker 1>yourself a crooked Irish kid?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I have a crooked face, Jake.

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<v Speaker 1>He means that quite literally, by the way, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was just a baby, Mike had an operation and as

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<v Speaker 1>a result, the left side of his face is paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a parent immediately unless he smiles, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you notice because it's really only a half smile. When

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<v Speaker 1>I arrived at Mike's house in Philadelphia, he was prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to retry this case. And I'm being serious here. He

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<v Speaker 1>had his opening remarks printed and laid out on dining

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<v Speaker 1>room table. He'd retrieved all the files from this case,

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<v Speaker 1>boxes of it, and after a brief introduction, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>explaining his crooked face as he called it, he launched

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<v Speaker 1>right into his opening arguments.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe Tom Geybison is innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Guybison is innocent, he told me, is as if

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<v Speaker 1>the trial were going on right now in his dining room.

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<v Speaker 5>They had no physical evidence, they had no gun, They

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<v Speaker 5>had nothing but the ear witnesses of scorned girlfriends and

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<v Speaker 5>Craig Peterson, who had been made an offer he couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>refuse to escape prosecution in return for full immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike got worked up, read in the face, raised voice,

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<v Speaker 1>leaning in close to me. At one point he actually

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<v Speaker 1>apologized for getting so animated, said he couldn't help it.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned that over the course of his career, Mike

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<v Speaker 1>had carved out a niche for himself defending what Mike

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<v Speaker 1>calls quote, unpopular persons, people who might alienate a jury.

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<v Speaker 1>He represented a bunch of skinheads, but also guys like

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<v Speaker 1>Mumiya abou Jamal, a black activist who is convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>murdering a white Philadelphia cop. Mike was on his legal

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<v Speaker 1>team too.

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<v Speaker 5>At cocktail parties, criminal defense attorneys are always asked, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>how do you represent people who are accused of doing

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<v Speaker 5>horrible things. My answer was, because I'm a sinner.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say you're a sinner, though, what exactly do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean by that? Do you mean that in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that we're all sinners or you speaking specifically, or.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, we're all centers. I'm a sinner, and ultimately, no

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<v Speaker 5>one is the worst thing that they've done in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>One more thing that I should mention about Mike. Years

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<v Speaker 1>after he defended Tom, he was convicted of money laundering

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<v Speaker 1>and attempted witness tampering in another case involving marijuana dealers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's safe to say Mike's entire career, start to finish

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<v Speaker 1>defies convention. One of Mike's challenges in this case was

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the jury from jumping to conclusions about his client,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Guybison. The whole skinhead thing was potentially a liability.

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<v Speaker 1>It threatened to bias the jury against Tom from the start.

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<v Speaker 1>To counter this, Mike described Tom in a very specific way.

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<v Speaker 1>You might recall Tom once told a local newspaper that

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<v Speaker 1>he was at one time a certain type of skinhead,

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<v Speaker 1>a blue collar skinhead. Mike claimed that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>very important distinction.

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<v Speaker 5>Tom Geybison was a blue collar skinhead, and a blue

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<v Speaker 5>collar skinhead did not advocate racism. He advocated, frankly, not

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<v Speaker 5>on like our current magla, which is America First. Blue

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<v Speaker 5>collar skinheads do not advocate racism.

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<v Speaker 1>I had read that he had a Hitler tattoo though

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<v Speaker 1>on his body.

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<v Speaker 5>He did, and at some point in his younger life

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<v Speaker 5>that was part of his ideology, but it was not

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<v Speaker 5>his ideology when I represented him.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been able to speak with Tom directly about this.

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<v Speaker 1>He never responded to my requests for an interview. But

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<v Speaker 1>based on the court records, Tom got the Hitler tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>after the alleged murder. I know this because before the

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<v Speaker 1>trial even started, his lawyer, Mike argued that the jury

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<v Speaker 1>did not need to know about that tattoo, and the

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<v Speaker 1>judge agreed. It was a win for the defense. Even so,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be easy for a jury to make some

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<v Speaker 1>snap judgments about who Tom Guybison was and what he believed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Mike's job to prempt these judgments. Mike hoped

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<v Speaker 1>that he could focus the jury's attention instead on what

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<v Speaker 1>he saw as the problems with the prosecution's case.

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<v Speaker 5>This was a case that was absolutely backwards. Would nearly

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<v Speaker 5>you have a murder and law enforcement searches for the murder.

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<v Speaker 5>In this case, they started with a murderer and searched

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<v Speaker 5>for a murder.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, the FEDS had taken the rumor of

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<v Speaker 1>a killing, linked it to a cold case, and blamed

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<v Speaker 1>his client. That was the argument. Anyhow, Mike didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to offer any answers. He didn't have to identify the

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<v Speaker 1>quote real killer. All he had to do was create

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable doubt, poked just enough holes in the prosecution's argument

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<v Speaker 1>that jurors might start scratching their heads. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about Mike is he's really good at poking holes. This

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<v Speaker 1>became apparent to me the minute I set foot in

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<v Speaker 1>his dining room. But of course it wasn't me. He

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<v Speaker 1>needed to convince it was a jury of twelve Philadelphians

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<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand and eight. His adversary was the

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<v Speaker 1>legendary prosecutor Roger King. His audience was a courtroom packed

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<v Speaker 1>with spectators. They included lawyers who had come to witness

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<v Speaker 1>this showdown, a Ron Wood's family who was praying for justice,

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<v Speaker 1>and Of course, the press was there too, because this

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<v Speaker 1>trial would make headlines. How could it not. A cold

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<v Speaker 1>case almost two decades old have been resuscitated in rather

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<v Speaker 1>epic fashion, and if the prosecution was to be believed,

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<v Speaker 1>hate itself was on trial from Jay Calburn and This

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<v Speaker 1>is Deep Cover Season four, The Nameless Man, Episode five,

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<v Speaker 1>the trial. The prosecutor in this case was Roger King,

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<v Speaker 1>a legendary figure, a distant cousin of Martin Luther King Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>He spoke with the cadence and the charisma of a

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<v Speaker 1>big church pastor. Roger often made the papers he tried

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<v Speaker 1>high profile cases. Back in the spring of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight, the city's Criminal Justice Center was buzzing with

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<v Speaker 1>the news that Roger King was trying his very last case.

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<v Speaker 1>This drew a bunch of spectators. Then one of them

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<v Speaker 1>was another prosecutor named Carlos Vega. Carlos says he just

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<v Speaker 1>had to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like saying goodbye. You know, it's a level

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<v Speaker 3>of respect you're giving him, but also you're watching one

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<v Speaker 3>of the greats do his last performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos, like so many prosecutors in Philadelphia, had been mentored

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<v Speaker 1>by King.

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<v Speaker 3>As a baby DA. When you first came through the office,

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<v Speaker 3>he was a legend. He had tried these really complicated murders,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that were in the front page, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they go, that's Roger King.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, Carlos ended up getting involved in this case as

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<v Speaker 1>a prosecutor, but initially he was just a spectator sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in the gallery watching Roger King's last performance. As he

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<v Speaker 1>put it, Roger died back in twenty sixteen. The headline

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<v Speaker 1>to his obituary read, Roger King seventy two, Large than life,

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<v Speaker 1>and I should tell you his legacy was complicated. In

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<v Speaker 1>a number of other murder cases that he tried. His

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<v Speaker 1>convictions were later overturned. There are allegations that he hid evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>manipulated witnesses, or otherwise broke the rules. Carlos told me

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<v Speaker 1>Roger was not the kind of guy who would have

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<v Speaker 1>been intimidated by anyone. That he was tough, and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was always ready for anything.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of homicide prosecutors are are armed. So you

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<v Speaker 3>know Roger always carried two guns. Why two? Because Roger

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<v Speaker 3>is Roger.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was Roger's opponent, Mike Ferrell. Carlos remembers

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<v Speaker 1>how Mike carried himself in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 3>He was very, very intense. He's not a bully because

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<v Speaker 3>it's very gentle, but he looks like he run up

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<v Speaker 3>and punched you, like he really You see the veins

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<v Speaker 3>pop in his neck and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the scene in the courtroom. Larger than life.

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<v Speaker 1>Roger King who liked to carry his two guns, and

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<v Speaker 1>the self proclaimed crooked face irishman vains ready to pop

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<v Speaker 1>out of his neck, two impassion lawyers getting ready prelude

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<v Speaker 1>to an epic standoff. The trial would hinge on two

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental questions. Number one, did it really happen? In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe that in nineteen eighty nine, Tom Guybison

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<v Speaker 1>went to Philadelphia and murdered a complete stranger. The answer

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<v Speaker 1>to this question would depend on the credibility of three

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<v Speaker 1>star witnesses. There were the two ex girlfriends, both of

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<v Speaker 1>whom claimed that Tom had confessed to them, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was the old friend Craig Peterson, who claimed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the accomplice. These witnesses would have to convince the jury

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<v Speaker 1>that Tom had committed murder back in nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was question number two. Was this the correct victim.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, was there enough evidence to convict Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Guybison specifically for the murder of Iran Wood? And the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to this question would focus on the detective work

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<v Speaker 1>performed by Scott Duffy, Terry Mortimer and the Philadelphia PD.

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<v Speaker 1>The burden of proof was on the prosecution, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was a point that Mike made both in his opening

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<v Speaker 1>arguments and in the little re enactment that he did

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, in a criminal case, it's very interesting in the

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<v Speaker 5>sense that the prosecution side of the story they have

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<v Speaker 5>to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. As to the defense

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<v Speaker 5>side of the story, we just have to create reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 5>But we did way more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, Mike would present his own theory on how and

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<v Speaker 1>why iron Wood was killed, but his job was simply

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<v Speaker 1>to poke holes in the prosecution's case. Starting with the

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<v Speaker 1>credibility of its three star witnesses, Let's start by talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the testimony of the two ex girlfriends. If you recall,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them was from high school. Her name was Jen.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom was her prom date, and when she took the

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<v Speaker 1>witness stand, she testified that Tom had shown off his

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<v Speaker 1>spider web tattoo on a number of occasions, including the

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<v Speaker 1>prom and that Tom had been very clear this tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>was a badge of honor for killing a black man.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen also claimed that Tom kept a newspaper article covering

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<v Speaker 1>the man's death and boasted that this was his doing

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<v Speaker 1>his murder. Jen testified quote, he told me that he

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<v Speaker 1>was driving aimlessly and a man just walked out between

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<v Speaker 1>two parked cars and he shot him in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen said her relationship with Tom ended because he was abusive.

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<v Speaker 1>The other ex girlfriend was Patricia. She was Tom's girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>when he was older in his twenties. Patricia also testified

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that Tom liked to show off his

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo and brag about the murder that he'd committed. She

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<v Speaker 1>also talked about the newspaper article that Tom supposedly kept.

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<v Speaker 1>She also alleged Tom had abused her in a brutal manner.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get into all the details here,

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<v Speaker 1>but the allegations were graphic, specific and disturbing. Carlos Vega,

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<v Speaker 1>who you heard from earlier and who eventually got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in this case as a prosecutor, said that Jen and

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia showed real courage, not only for taking the stand,

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<v Speaker 1>but for risking the potential consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of it. If they were intimate with him. They

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<v Speaker 3>know who he is, They know what he is. People

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand. It's not TV that it's cut and everybody's high.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a life after a case, and people have

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<v Speaker 3>to live the rest of their lives dealing with the murderer,

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<v Speaker 3>his family, his friends, his associates. They're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to look behind their back for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike, the defense lawyer, argued that both of these women

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<v Speaker 1>had been cast aside by Tom, that they were quote

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<v Speaker 1>scorned girlfriends. In particular, Mike attacked Patricia's credibility, noted that

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<v Speaker 1>she'd struggled with substance abuse for years, and pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>that Tom had cheated on her repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he was not a faithful boyfriend, but he

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<v Speaker 5>was not a murderer.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike maintained that both ex girlfriends were lying on the

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<v Speaker 1>stand to get back at Tom. In cross examination, Mike

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<v Speaker 1>did his best to poke holes in the ex girlfriend's

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<v Speaker 1>stories by pointing out inconsistencies. Over the preceding years, Jen

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<v Speaker 1>and Patricia had told their stories multiple times to investigators

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<v Speaker 1>and court officials, and there were some discrepancies. Patricia and

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<v Speaker 1>Jen both testified at trial about seeing Tom's spider web tattoo,

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<v Speaker 1>but years earlier, Patricia had originally told investigators the tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>that Tom got for the murder was a tear drop

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<v Speaker 1>within a spider web.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the theory of the girlfriends, the theory that began

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<v Speaker 5>this whole snowball rolling down the side of a snow

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<v Speaker 5>covered hill, was not to earn the web tattoo, but

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<v Speaker 5>to earn a red tear drop within the web tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, Tom did have a web tattoo, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no tear drop in it. Mike found things

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<v Speaker 1>like this, small inconsistencies and hammered away at them. In

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, the most confounding issue that Mike raised involved

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<v Speaker 1>the newspaper article about the murder, the one that Tom

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly kept. This article was important because in theory, if

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<v Speaker 1>Iran would was the victim, then this article would have

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<v Speaker 1>Iran's name in it right because it would be about Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>But no one, not the FEDS, or the police or

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutors, was able to find such an article, not

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<v Speaker 1>at Tom's house or the library, or anywhere. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>loose end that remains unexplained, and according to Mike Farrell,

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<v Speaker 1>this was another hole in the prosecution's case. More on

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution after the break. By far the most important

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<v Speaker 1>witness was Craig Peterson, the supposed accomplice. He was really

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<v Speaker 1>the lynchpin to the prosecution's case. When Craig finally walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the courtroom, it was a dramatic moment. Craig and

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<v Speaker 1>Tom had been friends since the fourth grade. They knew

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<v Speaker 1>each other's families, they had grown up alongside one another

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<v Speaker 1>in Delaware, and if Craig was to be believed, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>finished out their adolescence by committing murder together. Now, almost

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<v Speaker 1>two decades later, the former friends were in their late thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>One was the defendant, possibly facing life in prison, the

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<v Speaker 1>other the star witness who had a get out of

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<v Speaker 1>jail free card. When he took the stand, Craig described

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<v Speaker 1>the night of the murder in detail, just as he

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<v Speaker 1>had done with Scott and Terry, the two federal agents

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<v Speaker 1>two years prior. It was the same story that he

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<v Speaker 1>had helped to kill a man all because of the

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<v Speaker 1>color of his skin, and that he had watched as

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Guybison shot him in the head, and then, as

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<v Speaker 1>Craig told the jury, he quote slowly drove off like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing happened and just kept going.

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<v Speaker 5>Craig Peterson was a liar, He was a corrupt source. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>he was given an offer that no one could refuse.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the argument that the defense made a trial

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<v Speaker 1>that Craig lied to the federal agents Scott and Terry

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<v Speaker 1>to save his own skin.

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<v Speaker 5>If in fact their theory was that he was the

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<v Speaker 5>driver of Tom Guybison to Philadelphia from Warmington to kill

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<v Speaker 5>a black man. He's a co conspirator first degree murder,

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<v Speaker 5>life without parole.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can is that they explicitly threatened him or

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<v Speaker 1>said you're going to go away from murder if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't cooperate with us.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not my theory, Jake, it's the truth. It's exactly

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<v Speaker 5>what happened. You know, mister Peterson, you know, didn't Tom Guybison.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't you drive Tom Guybison to Philadelphia to cooble backman?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Second time? Didn't you drive Tom Guybison to Philadelphia to

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<v Speaker 5>cool back man?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Third time? Well, look, you know you're facing life without parole.

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<v Speaker 5>First degree murder co conspirator, but we'll we'll let you

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<v Speaker 5>go scott free with total immunity if you essentially tell

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<v Speaker 5>us what we want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>It is true that initially Craig denied taking part in

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<v Speaker 1>this murder when Scott and Terry made that trip to Vermont,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also true that once he confessed, his story,

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<v Speaker 1>with all its many details, remained consistent. In the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>under cross examination, Craig held his own At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike asked him, pointedly, you decided to tell them what

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<v Speaker 1>they want to hear, that you'd get immunity and not

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<v Speaker 1>have the worry about prosecution. Correct, Craig replied, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell them what they wanted to hear. I told them

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. It's impossible to underscore just how important Craig

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<v Speaker 1>was as a witness. In order to convict Tom Guybison,

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<v Speaker 1>the jury would not only have to believe that Craig

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<v Speaker 1>was credible, they would also have to believe that Craig's

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<v Speaker 1>memory was reliable because all the details they connected this

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<v Speaker 1>murder to iron Wood came from Craig's confession. Scott, Terry,

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<v Speaker 1>and Luby, the detective from the flipd All testified for

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution. They walked the jury through the years of

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<v Speaker 1>work they'd done to bring this cold case out of

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<v Speaker 1>the basement literally and into the courtroom. Talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>several key facts from Greig's confession, the general location, the

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<v Speaker 1>type of weapon, the nature of the wound, and the

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<v Speaker 1>time frame spring of eighty nine led them to a

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<v Speaker 1>single match iron Wood. But in the end, it would

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<v Speaker 1>all come down to a gut feeling about Craig. The

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution presented him as someone with a checkered past who'd

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<v Speaker 1>finally redeemed himself and told the truth. The defense was

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<v Speaker 1>calling him a liar and an opportunist. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>up to the jury to decide. After the prosecution rested,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Ferrell had an opportunity to present his own witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>to build out an alternate theory of how Iran Wood

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<v Speaker 1>died to suggest that Tom wasn't the one who killed him.

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<v Speaker 1>His counter narrative is a bit spotty, not all of

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<v Speaker 1>it connects, but I'm going to walk you through it.

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<v Speaker 5>Would it was supposedly the victim, Tom Guyvenson, didn't kill him,

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<v Speaker 5>Drugs and guns killed him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike called a bunch of witnesses to build out his

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<v Speaker 1>theory that Iran was murdered over a drug debt. One

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<v Speaker 1>of these witnesses was an old girlfriend of Iran's. She

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<v Speaker 1>testified that Iran sold drugs and that she'd once received

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<v Speaker 1>a threatening phone call from a guy who was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for Iran. In response, Roger King pointed out that this

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<v Speaker 1>call occurred more than a year before the murder, so

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<v Speaker 1>he argued, connecting these two events was a real stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike brought into other witnesses too, including a bartender who'd

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<v Speaker 1>seen Iran on the night of the murder in an

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<v Speaker 1>agitated state.

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<v Speaker 5>We proved that Aaron Wood was in a bar, nervous, afraid,

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<v Speaker 5>indicating that he may never come back. The bartender called

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<v Speaker 5>Iran saying, quote, you probably won't be seeing me no

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<v Speaker 5>more man after today.

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<v Speaker 1>It went on like this. Mike brought in someone who

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<v Speaker 1>had been interviewed by the police back in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine at the scene of the crime.

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<v Speaker 5>And we have an eye witness of heard the gunshot

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<v Speaker 5>and saw three black males in hoods running from the

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<v Speaker 5>scene of the gunshot.

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<v Speaker 1>On cross examination, Roger asked this witness if he thought

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<v Speaker 1>the three men in the hoods running away were involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the crime, No, said the witness. This man also admitted,

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment of absurdity, that he had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>why he was being called to testify because he knew

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about this murder. Okay, at this point, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>scratching your head trying to keep all this straight, I

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<v Speaker 1>hear you information overload. That, however, seemed to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the defense's strategy here. Mike wasn't offering complete answers

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<v Speaker 1>or a counter narrative that made total sense, and he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to. He was just trying to see doubts

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<v Speaker 1>in the jurors minds. I should mention Tom Guybison never

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<v Speaker 1>took the witness stand. He waved his right to testify,

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<v Speaker 1>so the jury never heard from him. The trial would

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<v Speaker 1>last for twelve days, and as the lawyers sparred and

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<v Speaker 1>the witnesses testified, one man in the gallery watched on silently.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there every day from start till finish, taking

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<v Speaker 1>it all in. That man was Tyrone Wood, Aron's youngest brother.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like I had to go to trial every day,

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<v Speaker 4>and I feel like I had to find truthful not

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<v Speaker 4>only for the family, for my mom because she said

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<v Speaker 4>should I go, and I said no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because he didn't want her hearing all the details,

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<v Speaker 1>reliving the whole nightmare, so he went instead, though it

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<v Speaker 1>was no easy to ask for him either. In the

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<v Speaker 1>lead up to the trial, kind of amazingly, no one

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<v Speaker 1>had shared any details with him, the whole story about

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<v Speaker 1>Tom and Craig and the prom and the tattoos. That

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<v Speaker 1>was all news to him. Tyrone intently listened to all

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<v Speaker 1>the witnesses, especially Craig, and he found him credible. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a tortuous situation. On the one hand, Craig's testimony

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<v Speaker 1>is what made this whole trial possible. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>key to the family shot at justice or at least

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<v Speaker 1>a closure. On the other hand, Craig was also the

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<v Speaker 1>man who supposedly helped kill Roan, the man who drove

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<v Speaker 1>away quote like nothing happened. I asked Tyrone how he

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<v Speaker 1>felt about Craig testifying.

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<v Speaker 4>I was actually thinking that I was glad he did

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<v Speaker 4>at least for my family and for my mother, so

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<v Speaker 4>at least they can close their eyes knowing that they

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<v Speaker 4>knew who did it. And that's the way I look

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<v Speaker 4>at it. Also, I just thank God for that I

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<v Speaker 4>know who did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Occasionally during the trial, Tyrone found himself looking right at

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Guybison, looking and thinking.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I'm not gonna let him win. I just

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<v Speaker 4>wanted you to be convicted of my brother's death. You

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<v Speaker 4>did it, you know, you did it so and I

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<v Speaker 4>felt like he was a coward, you know, because you

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<v Speaker 4>didn't face no man. You went up and just shot

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<v Speaker 4>a man just because the sport. I don't hate, but

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<v Speaker 4>I was kind of hating for a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 4>then at the same token, I thought to myself, I

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<v Speaker 4>came that this guy overtake me again. So I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 4>that we're gonna get justice and then everything will be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>His family's hopes, just like Tom's fate, were now in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands of twelve Philadelphians. It was their call. They

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<v Speaker 1>had to sort through the witness's testimonies, the narrative, the

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<v Speaker 1>counter narrative, the lofty rhetoric of Roger King, the doubts

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<v Speaker 1>sewed by Mike Ferrell, all in search of the elusive

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<v Speaker 1>prospect that buried somewhere in this tangled, tragic mess was

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<v Speaker 1>a verdict. It was truly just next time I'm deep cover.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Bob.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a Philadelphian and.

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<v Speaker 3>I was selected to serve on the Jewelry that heard

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<v Speaker 3>the case of Thomas Guybison.

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<v Speaker 6>Pressure was growing within the group to come to a conclusion.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a feeling of we don't have more to

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<v Speaker 6>go on.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Cover is produced by Amy Gaines McQuaid and Jacob Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>It's edited by Karen Schakerji mastering by Jake Gorski. Our

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<v Speaker 1>show art was designed by Sean Carney. Original scoring in

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<v Speaker 1>our theme was composed by Luis Gara, fact checking by

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Gomberts. Our story consultant was James Foreman Jr. Special

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Jerry Williams, Sarah Nix, Greta Cone, and Jake Flanagan.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jake halpern

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<v Speaker 5>S