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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Hello, Hello, Hello, somebody's excited. Somebody's singing, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited Part four of Collette, Part Cat, Part Cat.

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Speaker 1: Very excited for this one today. And also shout out

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Speaker 1: to Diana, because I mean, it's not uncommon that we

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the norm for us to each individually

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Speaker 1: research an episode and that we bring it to each

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Speaker 1: other and blah blah blah. But you know, sitting with

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Speaker 1: one episode for a long time can be overwhelming. And

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Speaker 1: Diana has done all four parts of Collette while I've

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Speaker 1: been handling the end between episodes. Uh, so shout out

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Speaker 1: because that's that's impressive. Thanks. Well, it's partly why I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for it to come to a close, because I've

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed again learning a lot about Collette. Um. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, the only thing I knew about her was

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Speaker 1: that she had one quote in like a famous quotations

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Speaker 1: It is, you will do foolish things, but do them

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Speaker 1: with enthusiasm. Oh great quote, definitely story your life, story

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Speaker 1: of my life. Foolish and enthusiastic. And uh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know shit about her. So it's been really interesting

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Speaker 1: to basically live with her for four weeks in a

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Speaker 1: row trying to put these episodes together. Um, but it'll

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Speaker 1: be nice to kind of move on to a new

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Speaker 1: new topic or area of the world, whatever and pluses.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get too into it and you have

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Speaker 1: few times on this show, but this is a great

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Speaker 1: one to get sucked into, and there's so much going on,

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Speaker 1: and that there's so much coming up in this final

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Speaker 1: part very true, and this woman lived vibrantly the whole time,

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Speaker 1: foolishly and enthusiastically. Definitely, absolutely yes, and yes thanks again

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Speaker 1: to Rachel rayche Vaughan on Instagram who suggested Colette, because again,

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Speaker 1: you sent us on a whole journey here and we

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Speaker 1: for the suggestion. It's been really really cool to dive in.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, let's jump in to part four, the final

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Speaker 1: part of our Colette series. And when we last left

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Speaker 1: the story, Colette had gotten through the First World War,

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Speaker 1: she had seduced her young stepson oh bertrand juvenil. That's right.

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Speaker 1: She had broken up with her second husband's on read

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Speaker 1: d juvenile Bertrand's dad, and she had gotten involved with

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Speaker 1: the new medium of cinema. And of course she is writing, writing, writing, writing, writing, writing.

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Speaker 1: Now cast your mind back to part three and remember

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Speaker 1: that she asked to have dinner with Bertrand one last

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Speaker 1: time before they broke up for good. And he did

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Speaker 1: not bring a date. But she did. She brought Maurice Gutiquette,

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Speaker 1: a man seventeen years younger than her. Maybe she's just

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Speaker 1: trying to make Bertrand jealous like I could still get

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Speaker 1: them or whatever, But actually Maurice had a much bigger

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Speaker 1: arm candy. So um, let's find out how Collette found

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Speaker 1: her true love at long last. Yes, let's go. Hey

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Speaker 1: their French comelition. Well, Elia and Diana got some stories

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Speaker 1: to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's just

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Speaker 1: about ridiculous relationships, a love. It might be any type

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Speaker 1: But if there's a story, were the second clanch Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Romance a production of I Heart Radio? So yeah, many

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Speaker 1: of the sources that um I was using for the

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Speaker 1: we got most of this information for today's episode from

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Speaker 1: Judah Thurman's biography Secrets of the Flesh. She got real

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Speaker 1: in to their relationship, and it's awesome. We're going to

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Speaker 1: pick up in right before Colette broke things off with Bertrand,

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Speaker 1: So Maurice was often referred to as Collette's Dutchman he

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Speaker 1: it was for him, as for so many sexually seething

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Speaker 1: He even turned to his parents at some point and said,

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Speaker 1: is really something I don't remember ever saying, like Judy

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Speaker 1: He wrote, quote, not much gave me pleasure. I felt

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Speaker 1: in fact, that he planned a trip to Italy and

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Speaker 1: She told Marguerite that he was already quote something to her,

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Speaker 1: It was all for the best the end. Dust your

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Speaker 1: was elected to the Belgian Royal Academy of French Language

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Speaker 1: and Literature and in a poll that year she was

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Speaker 1: named the greatest living master a French prose. Now that

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00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: same year, in ninety five, the Claridge Hotel went bankrupt,

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Speaker 1: so Collette and Maurice found a joining apartments to live in.

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Speaker 1: By now, Maurice was also doing journalism. He was writing

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Speaker 1: for Paris Soir, which is a newspaper with one of

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Speaker 1: the largest circulations in the city, and eventually he would

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00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: become the literary editor for Mary Claire Magazine. And they

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00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: got invited by their respective journals to cover the maiden

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Speaker 1: voyage of the ocean liner the S S. Normandy, which

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00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: was going to New York and Maurice, who's like up

435
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: to his ears and travel plans at this point, he

436
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: told Collette that since they weren't married, they'd need separate

437
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: rooms in the hotel in America. He wrote in his

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00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: memoir close to Collette, quote, but if we got married,

439
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: I said, jokingly, there wouldn't be a problem. Collette looked

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00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: at me in such a way that I suddenly understood

441
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: all that this cementation of our relations spent to her.

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00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: So on April third, ninety five, ten years after they

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00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: got together, the sixty two year old Collette and the

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00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: forty five year old Maurice got married in a seventeen

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Speaker 1: minute ceremony in town Hall. Yeah. I love that. I mean,

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00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: if you wanted to get married, I supposed I couldn't

447
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: hurt we get at least split a room, you know.

448
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: She's like, well, yeah, I guess, like to the let's

449
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: just get married. I know, all right, I love it.

450
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: She was like not wanting to ask him to ask her,

451
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: but she definitely wanted it, and he finally realized it.

452
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: And that's so cute. Well let's pause at that wedding,

453
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: take a quick commercial break. We'll be back with a

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00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: whole other wedding right after this, and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show. So, Collette and Maurice's marriage was not the

456
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: only one that happened that year. Belle Gazoo also got married. Um.

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00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: She married a pompous doctor who was quite a bit

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00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: older than her um, but their marriage barely lasted through

459
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: the honeymoon. Fortunately, though, when she approached her parents about

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00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: getting a divorce, neither of them cared about any social

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00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: censure or any kind of consequences like that, which to

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00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: be expected. I would think of two people who had

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00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: been divorced a couple of times, but you never know.

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00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: Some parents don't let you make their mistakes, obviously, so

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00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: not to mention it. Sounds like Collette and Henri like

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00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: never really paid that much attention to Belle ga Zoo,

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00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: so they're kind of like, divorced, Well you got married,

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00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: all right, Well, yeah, whatever you want to But no,

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00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: she went to Collette and she's like, Mom, you know,

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00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I want to divorce this guy sucks. I'm not happy.

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00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: And Collette told Belle Gazoo she's only twenty two and

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: therefore she's too young to be unhappy. But by forty

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00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: two she would not be able to help it. True, Um,

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00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: And she's like, you better go tell your father about it.

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00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: So bell Gazoo goes to Henri, and she says, this

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00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: marriage sucks. He's boring, and Ri said, quote, being bored

477
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: by someone can make you think of murder. So he's like,

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00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: you better get out of that marriage for you. So

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00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, why did Belle's Gazoo even bother

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00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: marrying this guy in the first place? Like they barely

481
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: got along for any length of time. And later Belle

482
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: Gazoo's half brother, Renauld, kind of shed some light on that.

483
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: He wrote she told him quote, I wanted to normalize myself.

484
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: And that's because she was a lesbian. So she was

485
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: trying to change her sexuality in a way or uh,

486
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: she thought maybe it would cover it up. Perhaps, um

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00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if she was trying to normalize herself

488
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: to herself or to other people. Um. So she would

489
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: have several same sex romances throughout her life, most notably

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00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: with a French actress named Nicole Stephane. And this is

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00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: so weird, but one of Bell Gazoo's friends wrote that

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00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: Collette did not approve of her daughter being a lesbian.

493
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: He wrote, quote, to be gay, in her view, showed

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00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: a kind of sexual irresponsibility that was one of the

495
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: enormous contradictions in Colette's character, which is so weird because

496
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: she was definitely having plenty of lesbian relations herselves, and

497
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: she knew a lot of lesbians who were exclusively lesbian,

498
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: where she was more bisexual. So did she think Natalie

499
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: Barney had a sexual irresponsibility? Maybe because Natalie was really polyamorous.

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00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I didn't believe in monogamy, so maybe she thought that

501
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: of every lesbian. I don't know. It's a very weird

502
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: thing to think, no, but not uncommon for parents to

503
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: be hypocritical of their children and be like, well, yes,

504
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: but you shouldn't do it because it's wrong right now,

505
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: even though all my friends and everything did it. Very weird. Yeah, Well,

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00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: anti fascist activism was getting even more energetic after Mussolini

507
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: invaded Abyssinia, which is also known as Ethiopia present day Ethiopia.

508
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, that will be a subject in an upcoming

509
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: episode Just learned about You, Ethiopia and Abyssinia. Um, so

510
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: that happened in But Collette still didn't really write anything

511
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: about any of that that was going on, and in fact,

512
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: she started contributing articles to the extremely anti Semitic and

513
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: pro fascist weekly paper Gringoire In an example of this

514
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: paper in ninety six, she shares printing space with quote

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Speaker 1: a glowing report from Nuremberg on the annual Nazi rally,

516
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: a front page expose on the non French I E.

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00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: Jewish background of the Prime Minister Leon Bloom, a cartoon

518
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: showing Jewish and other anti fascist refugees from Germany stuffed

519
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: in a trash can and captioned France the garbage dump

520
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: of Europe. And a vicious article one of a series

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00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: spearing Roger sal Negro, who was the Minister of the

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Speaker 1: Interior and the architect of many social reforms, including the

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00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: forty hour workweek. And the series was so damaging and

524
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: nasty and cruel that only a few weeks after it ended,

525
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Roger gassed himself to death. Insane ship Like that is

526
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: so upsetting, But you know, hey, France was going to

527
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: be pulled into all that Hitler mess anyway. Yeah, there's

528
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: one thing France didn't have to worry about in the

529
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: mid nineteen thirties. It was what Hitler was going to

530
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: be doing exactly. We can all close our eyes because

531
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: major Western powers worked out a treaty in Munich with Hitler,

532
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: and they were like yeah, you can take part of Czechoslovakia,

533
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: but just stop there, okay, and we won't bother you.

534
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: You're appeased, right right exactly, Okay, good, great job everyone.

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Speaker 1: We solved it by and Colette and Maurice are like, great,

536
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: it's all good, and France sucks to be you Czechoslovakia.

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: And they started traveling again and everything was fine. Collette

538
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: also started struggling with rheumatoid arthritis at this point in

539
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: her life, and that would become a very big problem

540
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: for her as the years go on. Uh spoiler alert,

541
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: another big problem. The Treaty of Munich meant funk all

542
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: to Hitler. On September one, nine, he invaded Poland, which you'll,

543
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how good you are a geography, but

544
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: it's not Czechoslovakia. So that piste off everyone who signed

545
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: the Treaty of Munich, and France and England declared war

546
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: on Germany two days later. By now, Maurice was fifty,

547
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: so he was not called into active duty right away.

548
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Um he was in the reserves, the army reserves. But

549
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: by day three of the war, Paris had its first

550
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: air raid alert, and then by June of nineteen forty

551
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: the government fled Paris. That's how close the Germans were,

552
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 1: so Collette Maurice many other Parisians did too. They all

553
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: kind of went to the country to sort of wait

554
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: it out and see what would happen. But within five

555
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: weeks the government surrendered. The v She regime was installed,

556
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: and Collette Maurice and many others came back to Paris. Now,

557
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: at this point, any newspapers, magazines or publishing houses that

558
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: wanted to stay open at all had to become what

559
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: was known as collaborators. They had to write whatever the

560
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Nazi sensors would let them write. Plenty of people quit

561
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: their writing jobs or publishing jobs, or editorial jobs because

562
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: they just had, you know, principles and they refused to

563
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: do it. I ain't working for you, bitch. Now. Some

564
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: people wrote just because they needed the money. But Collette

565
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: not only wrote stories for these outlets, she maintained cordial

566
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: relations with these editors. Meanwhile, by the way, Belgazoo, her daughter,

567
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: and Renault de jouvenel H Belgazoo's half brother, they started

568
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: working with the French resistance. Belgazoo ran a secret hospital

569
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: for resistance fighters. I feel like she was probably pretty

570
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: disappointed in her mom. Oh yeah, I would be definitely.

571
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel like Belgazoo was always a little disappointed in

572
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: her mom for their relationship, but this definitely I was like,

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00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I will say I found a

574
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: quote by Bell Gazoo when she was older where she said,

575
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing my mother gave to

576
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: me was a scorn for prejudice to love or to

577
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: dislike without having prejudice of any kind enter into it.

578
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: So that might be she she might have kind of

579
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: been like, well, that's mom. You know, she's she's going

580
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: to be nice to everybody until she has a reason

581
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: not to be. And it has to be more than

582
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: like you're just politically a piece of ship. I guess, okay, okay,

583
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: like you have to be personally abusive ship, right, I

584
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't decide how the nazis. Yeah, Like,

585
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: there's something admirable about not letting prejudice enter one way

586
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: or another, good or bad, enter into your feelings about somebody.

587
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: But of course a lot of people died because of

588
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: these people's thoughts. And it's not like an abstract principle

589
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: that I live. It's some real ships it's a little

590
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: bit like not cool now. Both Collette and Maurice lived

591
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: openly in Paris and socialized with everyone, including occupying Germans.

592
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: And just a reminder that Maurice himself is Jewish. Now,

593
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: even when the Nazis quickly moved to install race laws

594
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: preventing Jews and therefore Maurice from the army or any

595
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: profession in commerce or journalism, Collette wrote quote, as long

596
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: as that's the extent of the sanctions, will be consoled,

597
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: which you know, every time someone said, well, I'm sure

598
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: that's all the Nazis are gonna do, and they were

599
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: always wrong, always wrong. Judith Thurman quotes a woman named

600
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: patrise Blank, who was a hero of the resistance and

601
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: a close friend of Bertrand de Juvenel, as saying that

602
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: collects willingness to right for the collaborationist press. Quote reflected

603
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: an unconsciousness shared by a large number of French artists.

604
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: It was very widespread, and the excuse one heard most

605
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: often was that the theater should function normally and the

606
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: voice of French culture should not be stifled. There were

607
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: very few, and I underlined, very few true resistance. Collette

608
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: belonged to that herd of passive collaborationists who were legion

609
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: As the balance of the war began to shift, so

610
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: did the proportion of those who actively supported the Allies

611
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: and the Free French forces. But they change their allegiance

612
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: out of prudence because Germany was losing, and not from conviction.

613
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: So you've got a lot of fair weather allies of

614
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: whoever happens to be kind of doing better in the

615
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: war at that time, their hedge in their beds, and

616
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: they're like, whatever happens, it might not affect me if

617
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: I am just the right kind of persons. It never works, no,

618
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: But it's tough. I think it really tests your metal

619
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: and your character about like, you know, are you willing

620
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: to take the losing side here because it's right or

621
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think we see it in movies and

622
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: you know so often that that's an easy choice for

623
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: people that it's like, I'm just going to do the

624
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: right thing because I believe in it. And I think

625
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: even like good people who believe in the right thing

626
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: with a gun to their head, it's it's hard. It's

627
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: a hard choice to make and well, and I think

628
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people too, were like, what's most important

629
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: is that I survive. Um, that's what matters. And then

630
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: at the end the other side of this, then I

631
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: can be useful. But right now I can't. I can't

632
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: make waves because then I'll be killed, and then what

633
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: good am I attended? Body? I mean, you can see many,

634
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: many justifications. We are very good at justifying that we do.

635
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: Now Collette started serializing a story called Julie in the

636
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: Green War, that extra shitty newspaper that we talked about before,

637
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: and Julie apparently does have some pretty gross anti Semitic

638
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: writing in it. Um, so she did say some gross

639
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: gross things. She didn't just like here's an article, Like

640
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: she did actually say some ship that she thought they

641
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: would like to hear. I guess now this newspaper was

642
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: basically blaming all the hunger in France on Jewish people

643
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: and foreigners eating their food. The war in general was

644
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: because of Jewish people, Communists, financiers, and freemasons all conspiring together.

645
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: It had very little to do with Germany at all. Um,

646
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: they basically stopped mentioning Hitler. They're just like Jewish people

647
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: did this to you, and so you know, it's just

648
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: crazy that she would lend herself to this paper, it's

649
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: fucked up. And whatever protection that she thought Maurice was

650
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: getting by her working with these guys, not making waves

651
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: and just kind of being this passive collaborationist, uh, it

652
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: did last What a surprise. In June, Hitler broke his

653
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: pact with Stalin and invaded the Soviet Union. And now

654
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: Maurice displayed his prescience again, like kind of when he

655
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: said he was gonna one day Mary Collette. He told Collette, quote,

656
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: the war is over. It might still last three or

657
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: four years more, but for me, secure in the absolute

658
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Hitler has already disappeared, and the German soldiers you see

659
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: passing by at this moment are nothing but phantoms. And

660
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people felt that way because

661
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: they're like, soyvie, you don't funk with Soviet Okay crazy.

662
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: But as he thought, his prediction would take a few

663
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: years to come true. In December, the US entered the war,

664
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: the French Resistance started their first acts of armed subversion.

665
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: Things are getting they're really popping off, and so the

666
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: Germans retaliated by arresting a thousand prominent Jewish Parisians. So

667
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: before dawn on December twelfth, the Gestapo came for Maurice

668
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: and Collette helped him pack a bag. She walked him out,

669
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: and they both knew that they might be parting forever.

670
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: But before we find out what happens with that, let

671
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: us take a quick commercial break and we will be

672
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back to the show, everyone. So, Maurice

673
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: was taken to a detention camp northeast of Paris, and

674
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: Collette immediately started moving heaven and earth to get him out.

675
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: Maurice wrote quote, there was no effort and no humiliation.

676
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: She wasn't willing to undertake. He was in the camp

677
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: for seven weeks, living on a bowl of soup and

678
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: some bread, sleeping on vermin infested straw, thirty six people

679
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: to a hut. He was able to smuggle letters to collect,

680
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: and through these same clandestine channels she was able to

681
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: smuggle him some provisions like food, books, and then weirdly,

682
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: she sent him old neckties, trying to try to figure

683
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: out maybe like maybe he just wanted to feel sophisticated,

684
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe right, or or yeah, why would you

685
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: need an old necktie? Was it for wounds? Were they

686
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: tying them together so they could escape out a window?

687
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I just have real questions about why he asked for these,

688
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: and then why she was like, I guess I'll bother

689
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: sending them. There had to be a good reason, you know,

690
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: a long strip of sturdy fabric has many uses, that's true,

691
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: but maybe you're right. And he was just like, I

692
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: need to feel like a man. I want to be

693
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: fully dressed. Right now, Colette wasn't sleeping. She was in

694
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: this constant state of anxiety for Maurice, and finally one

695
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: of her connections paid off. One German officer Otto at

696
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: BET's had a French wife, and as a favor to her,

697
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: Auto ordered Maurice's release in February of n Maurice left

698
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: the camp eighteen pounds thinner, but otherwise unharmed. But this

699
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: was far from over, because in June of that year,

700
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: Collette had to buy a motorized wheelchair to get around

701
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: because her arthritists had gotten so bad, and Maurice, along

702
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: with every other Jewish person, had to start wearing the

703
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: yellow Star. Now, Colette said Maurice didn't really seem to care,

704
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: and that only people who seemed upset about wearing it

705
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: quote exposed themselves to unpleasantness. Classic like well, if you

706
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: don't make a fuss, then it's not a big deal.

707
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Just do what they say, come by and they won't

708
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: kill you. But well, guess what she was wrong again.

709
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: Mass deportations of Jews began only a month later. In

710
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: eighty thousand French born men, women, and children were rounded

711
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: up with an additional forty thousand foreign refugees. Only a

712
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: tiny percentage of them would return. Thirty thousand Jews were

713
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: saved by quote courageous French citizens who risked and sometimes

714
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: lost their own lives in doing so. And among these

715
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: French citizens risking their lives was Renault and Belle Gazoo.

716
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: And Maurice needed help from these courageous people too. Um

717
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: even with all these connections they had and maintained with

718
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: all their passivity, it was really too dangerous for him

719
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: to be. In Paris. There was this young shop assistant

720
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: who worked at a booksellers who offered to hide him

721
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: because they had created a secret hole behind the bookshelves

722
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: for that very purpose. And there's going to be a

723
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: lot of that in France, and many places their secret

724
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: places where they hid Jewish people from Nazis. And I

725
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: would love to do a tour of France and justy

726
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: those places that would be so interesting. There's a great

727
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: book called The Paris Architect, actually about an architect who

728
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: starts developing these secret spots and it's really so good.

729
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: But Maurice kind of felt like Colette would only be

730
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: able to relax if he was in the free zone.

731
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: He's like, if I'm hiding and stuff, she'll just be

732
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: so nervous. She'll be in this constant state. It'll be

733
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: really bad for her health. I need to just be

734
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: somewhere she knows I'm safe. So he traveled south on

735
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: forged papers, and he slipped across the border to spend

736
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: a few months in San Tropez, away from the occupiers

737
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: because remember Germany only had control of part of France,

738
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: not all of France at this point. But then the

739
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: Allies landed in North Africa, so Germany started trying to

740
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: get the whole of France, including the coast, under its

741
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: own control. So Maurice came back to Paris uh close

742
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: calls with border guards, and you know, he had a

743
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: very misadventure kind of way to get back, and then

744
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: he spent the next eighteen months sleeping in the maids

745
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: him to avoid detection. Colette called it the Sleep of

746
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the Condemned, and he himself wrote that this is a

747
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: cover story that couldn't fool an Ostrich. And he he

748
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: was like, we know that, it's not like they're not

749
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: going to check the maid's room or something. But it

750
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: made me feel better anyway. And Judith Thurman writes that

751
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: this was quote exceptionally gallant. He had survived the camp,

752
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: he had worn the Yellow Star, and he must have

753
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: by now come to understand the scope of the Nazi persecutions.

754
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: But he also understood that Colette couldn't live without him,

755
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: so he risked his life to relieve her solitude and

756
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: her anxiety. Now, at this point in her life, Colette

757
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: kind of started flirting with religion, and she cozied up

758
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: to Francois Mariac, who was an author and a critic

759
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: and a pretty powerful emissary of the church. Now this

760
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: might have been because she was seventy years old, she

761
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: had this terrible arthritis, and she was worried about the afterlife.

762
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: But Judith Thurman thinks it actually had to do more

763
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: with Maurice than with God. This church guy, Francois Mariac,

764
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: He's telling people that they shouldn't collaborate with the occupiers.

765
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: But he's helping Collette, who's doing just that. So Thurman writes, quote,

766
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: there's an ironic symmetry to their perspectives on honor and salvation.

767
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: His are large, spiritual and austere. Hers are focused on

768
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: the survival of one essential being. And she would collaborate

769
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: with anyone, God or the devil who might help her

770
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: keep him. So it's really all about just keeping Maurice safe,

771
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: no matter who she had to get with, and Maurice

772
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: thought so too. He wrote that her motives were complex,

773
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: but being close to some members of the church quote

774
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: might give me some immunity in a moment of great

775
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: danger was certainly paramount among them. She even asked Maurice

776
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: to get baptized, and he did agree, but it never

777
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: happened because he couldn't lie convincingly enough to the bishop

778
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: about why he wanted to be Catholic. The priest is

779
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: like and and why would you like it to be

780
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: that dised into the Catholic Church under the eyes of God?

781
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: So the Germans won't murder me. That's not the gazak.

782
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: Can you tell me? Maybe it's because you believe in

783
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: God and you want to yes, Jesus and so on, Yes,

784
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: absolutely Jesus, guy who lived and died. This is not

785
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: going to work. I do not believe you. Yeah. In fact,

786
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Maurice was such a bad liar that earlier in the

787
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: war at a border checkpoint, this Nazi officer kept giving

788
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: collecte grief about her curly hair and insisting that she

789
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: was Jewish. But finally, you know, this guard is like,

790
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: you must be Jewish because you carr carly hair, and

791
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Maurice just blurts out, quote, I am the jew, you dummy,

792
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: look at me. And Collette wrote to a friend later quote,

793
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: alas I have married an honest man. She's like, get

794
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: your lie in face on, bro. We are dealing with

795
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: no easy. So finally June six D Day came, the

796
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Allies stormed Normandy Beach. Big day in the war, also

797
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: a big day in Collette's life because that same day

798
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: she heard some news about her past love, Missy, the

799
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: Marquis de Morney. Now they had been in touch over

800
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: the years. Remember they had kind of a bad break up,

801
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: but they did, you know, reconcile and they were in touch.

802
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: Their letters were quotes suffused with sweetness and devotion, which

803
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: is nice. But the end of Missy's life was not happy.

804
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: She was financially ruined by a bunch of lovers who

805
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: just wanted her to pay for ship. Her memory was going.

806
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: She apparently a little notes to try to remember how

807
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: to get around Paris, but she had a really hard time.

808
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: She knew that to most people she was this pathetic,

809
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: grotesque figure. Um. A lot of they talked about the

810
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: bravado of her youth was all gone. Like she you know,

811
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: addressing like a man and being really open about her

812
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: idea city that was all gone, which I think we

813
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: can conjecture that she's living in Nazi occupied France. You know,

814
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: she can't be herself. That must add to your torments

815
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: as much as old age and infirmity would. So anyway,

816
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: on D Day, Colette learned that Missy had tried to

817
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: commit suicide quote in something like a horror kiri, which

818
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: is the Japanese practice of cutting your stomach open with

819
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: a sword and letting your intestines fall out. That makes

820
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: me so sad that she wanted it to be that painful. Um,

821
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: that's method did not work for whatever reason, But Missy

822
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: tried again with Gas a couple of weeks later, and

823
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: she died aged eight one. So that is so sad

824
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: to me that Missy just had such an end to

825
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: her life. She was such an interesting person. Um Collette

826
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: also outlived Willie, who died in ninety one, and on

827
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Red Juvenel who died in ninety five, so she she

828
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: had the last half. I guess I love all these lovers.

829
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: At least with Willie she did. She she wrote a

830
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: whole thing about how much he sucked after so she

831
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: got her revenge on him. From point now on a

832
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: lighter note, I guess uh d Day was the beginning

833
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: of the end for the Nazis. By mid August, Nazis

834
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: and their collaborators were fleeing France. The German general was

835
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: told to defend Paris until the last man and then

836
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: burn it to the ground, but Paris said hell no.

837
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: They said absolutely no. L f So free French forces

838
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: were erecting barriers in working class neighborhoods to prevent the

839
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: Germans from advancing, and the police refused to help restore order,

840
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: and they went on strike. The resistance radio started playing

841
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: the French national anthem the Marseilles, and people blared it

842
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: from their open windows. People started ambushing German convoys with

843
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Molotov cocktails. I love this energy. The Germans fought back

844
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: with tanks and guns, and a lot of people died,

845
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: and Maurice was almost one of them. He went out

846
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: for a walk and, out of curiosity, stopped to watch

847
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: a kerfuffle between French undercover police and German forces. But

848
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: then the Germans set up a machine gun and they

849
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: started rounding up pedestrians. So Maurice ran and he hid

850
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: in a bomb shelter, where he ended up getting trapped

851
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: for three days. During this time, Collette was frantic, and

852
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: she was sending out friends to check like all the

853
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: morgues and hospitals to see what happened to him. When

854
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: he finally did come back, he sheepishly told her what

855
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: had happened, and she started cussing him out. Hi. You know,

856
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: she was like, I just imagined being like, I'm sorry,

857
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was just curious. I you know, I

858
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: thought they'd win real quick and it'd be fun to watch.

859
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: And she's like, you idiot, you fool, you absolutely fuck nugget.

860
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: He's like, I deserve it, oh man, But it makes

861
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: sense she was so angry. She clearly thought he had

862
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: he was already you like, like, you're freaking idiot. Don't

863
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: get curious about the Germans. Just come home. But at

864
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: this point, the war for France at least was over,

865
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: and Collette at this point was mostly bedridden. She worked

866
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: from her day bed, which was pushed up against the window.

867
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: She could kind of look out into the streets of

868
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: Paris Um. And she wrote her last memoir, The Blue Lantern.

869
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: And she was writing the dialogue for the French film

870
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: adaptation of Gig, which is one of her best known novellas.

871
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: And at the age of seventy nine, she tried for

872
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: the first time to keep a diary, but she only

873
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: managed one entry, quote, I should indeed like one to

874
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: begin again, two to begin again, three to begin again.

875
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: She was in pain a lot of the time from

876
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: her arthritis, but she refused to take a bunch of

877
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: pain killers. She was kind of of the athletes opinion

878
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: that pain is sort of like strange, Yeah, she said,

879
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: quote old age is an uncomfortable piece of furniture, which

880
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: I love that, But she rarely complained. She would remember

881
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: the morning in December when Maurice was taken away by

882
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: the Gestapo, and as Thurman Wrights quote, she consoled herself

883
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: with the thought that the greatest calamity that could befall

884
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: her had already happened and had been survived. The date

885
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: of his arrest became a mantra. Maurice is sixty years old.

886
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: He's a healthy guy, and apparently he pursued extramarital affairs

887
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: even before she was bedridden that Colette knew all about.

888
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: So they still had a bit of an open, very

889
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: French marriage. But this time she never really got jealous

890
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: the way she had with Henry and Willie. And you know,

891
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think maybe it's because she

892
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: knew that she was the main woman in his life,

893
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, the one he really really loved and wanted

894
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: to be with and wanted to live with and I

895
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be married to. And she was kind of like,

896
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: whoever you're fucking, I don't care. Whereas the other husbands,

897
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: they would kind of their interests would kind of wane

898
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: in her and be picked up by these other ladies.

899
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: And that felt more of an abandonment than the sex part. Yeah,

900
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: it's one thing when you're spending your time with your partner,

901
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: and you're loving and engage with each other and passionate

902
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: with each other, and then like other nights, you know,

903
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: when oh you're you've got plans. Cool, I'm going to

904
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: go out and oh, hey, I hooked up with somebody

905
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: as opposed to I think like her previous husband's like

906
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: you said, We're like, oh it's you again. Well, anyway,

907
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm going out for a while, I might sleep with

908
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, there's a difference there, and I'm gonna

909
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: get real hot and heavy with them and promise to

910
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: marry them and stuff like. You know, Maurice never did that.

911
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: She said she thought it was her virility that like

912
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: he he would pick like a very feminine woman to

913
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: sleep with, but he could never live with a woman

914
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: like that. He could only be with a woman like Colette,

915
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: who was very like vibrant and more I guess quote

916
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: unquote masculine in a way or something. But anyway, I

917
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: think it's because she knew she was the most important woman,

918
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: so she was like, I don't care if there's other women.

919
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: I just want to be the main one, you know,

920
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: in your life. In his memoir, Maurice wrote, quote, I

921
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: set myself gently by the side of this woman who

922
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: life had so wounded, and I did so with the

923
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: firm determination of proving to her that constancy was not

924
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: an empty word. Year by year she grew more persuaded

925
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: of this, and her last books bear witness to a

926
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: serenity that she would not otherwise have acquired. And Judith

927
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: Thurman and several other biographers they think Maurice has every

928
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: right to say this. They're like, you can see in

929
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: her letters and in her writing, just like he said

930
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: that he truly did bring a measure of peace and

931
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: stability and real love to her life that she had

932
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: never really had before. And for the last twenty five

933
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: years of her life, Collette paid him the honor which

934
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: he earned the hard way of calling him my best friend.

935
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Which is interesting too, that she found she had so

936
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: many romantic words for past lovers, but they weren't her friends.

937
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: And now it's like more romantic to be calling him

938
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: her friends. Very important to be friends, I think true. Now.

939
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: In spring of nine, the Allies were advancing on Berlin

940
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: and the first deportees from concentration camps started arriving in France.

941
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: Paris had been somewhat shielded from the reality of what

942
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: the Nazis were doing. So the condition of these prisoners

943
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: when they showed up shocked the entire city. A lot

944
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: of people were calling for just the harshest possible sentences

945
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: on these collaborators, on anyone who helped the Germans. Some

946
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: who were questioned and released received death threats and went

947
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: into hiding like Coco Chanel. Others had their heads shaved,

948
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: their homes ransacked, They were imprisoned for life or put

949
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: to death, were committed suicide. Yeah, there's a bad time

950
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: to be someone who thought that the Nazis would wear

951
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: and Bell Gazoo was one of these hardliners. She didn't

952
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 1: take She wasn't standing up for any of this ship.

953
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: Remember she had run that secret hospital for resistance fighters

954
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: during the war. Following the liberation of Paris, she founded

955
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: a relief organization and worked to feed the starving. Also,

956
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Bell Gazoo was one of the first French journalists to

957
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: report from the camps, so she saw some crazy and

958
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the atrocities of what happened at them were not like

959
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: abstract for her. That that was she totally knew what

960
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: was going on, Like dozens of her closest friends in

961
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: the resistance had been deported to Bukenwald, and almost none

962
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: of them returned. The ones who did were broken and haunted.

963
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: They had terrible injuries. Collette described seeing some women's survivors

964
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: outside of cafe who quote raised their skirts to show

965
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: their legs devoured up to the groin by the up dogs.

966
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: So horrible. You gotta hope that Collette here is even

967
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: second guessing what she was willing to put up with,

968
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: because again, obviously a big part of what the Nazis

969
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: did was very powerful mind games and propaganda to convince

970
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: everyone that they weren't doing the horrible things that they

971
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 1: were doing, and that that was all like, oh, that's

972
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: just fake news. You know, we're not torturing and murdering

973
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: people by the thousand um. But they were. And so

974
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: people like Collette now who bought into that, hopefully we're

975
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: seeing the reality of it and felt felt a kind

976
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: of way about it, you know, hope. But regardless of

977
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: this attitude towards previous collaborators. On May second, Collette was

978
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: nominated to the Academy Goncourt, which gave out an annual

979
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: award for the Best Novel, which is the most prestigious

980
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: literary award in France. The guy who started it stipulated

981
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: that no women, Jews or poets could ever be members. Women,

982
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: Jews and poets the three people. I write um. But

983
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: not only was Collette added to the academy, she became

984
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: its president. In n gone Court, right, Thurman writes, quote,

985
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm which greeted Collette's election to Goncourt is one

986
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: measure of how unscathed her reputation was by her contributions

987
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: to the occupation press. I and I wonder why, you know,

988
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: is it just her celebrity was enough that people were like, yeah,

989
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: she didn't mean it, or was maybe she just didn't

990
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: do as bad shit as some people did, so it

991
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: was like, fine, you just wrote and said some dumb

992
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: ship whatever. I'm not sure, but she was just beginning

993
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: to receive her flowers from Paris Um. They were really

994
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: all about Colette in the end of her life. In

995
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: when she turned seventy five, the city threw itself into

996
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: this big public homage to her, and they did like

997
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: a revival of Sherry. Colette went to the opening and

998
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: quote received a standing ovation from three generations of lit

999
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: Peri among them. Surely was at least one ancient dandy

1000
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: with tears in his eyes, who remembered those perfect breasts

1001
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: she had once so insolently and proudly bear. Which I

1002
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: do love that that visual of some old guy like, Ah,

1003
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: she's old now, but I remember those good I saw

1004
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: her In nineteen fifteen, she pulled her titty out for

1005
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: everyone to see that. I don't know why he's transatlantic now.

1006
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: That same year, Maurice started to put together a collection

1007
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: of all her work, like her fiction, her war reports,

1008
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: her theater reviews, like everything she'd written for a fifteen

1009
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: volume set that would be wished by his new company,

1010
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: Lift Laurent. And when Collette saw it all assembled, she

1011
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: could barely believe it. She said, quote, have I really

1012
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: written all that? Unfortunately this point, though, arthritis had finally

1013
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: gotten to her right shoulder and she was not writing anymore.

1014
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: Now it had become Maurice's main project to get all

1015
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Collette's shipped together. Now, Colette had been a bad bookkeeper,

1016
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: but she did have a lot of copyrights and assets,

1017
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: and she wanted to leave half to Maurice and half

1018
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: to Belle Gazoo. So she made Maurice the executive of

1019
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: her will, and he got to work consolidating her reputation

1020
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: and her fortune. He renegotiated her contracts and arranged for

1021
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: new translations of her work in England, America and Germany,

1022
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: and he went after her film rights with a vengeance.

1023
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: Between nineteen forty seven and nineteen fifty four, six of

1024
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: her novels were brought to the screen, and even Hollywood

1025
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: came calling, wanting to do an adaptation of Gigi at Is.

1026
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: When Collette made arguably her biggest contribution to film history

1027
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen one, Maurice was wheeling her through the lobby

1028
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: of the Hotel de Paris and Monte Carlo, where they

1029
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: were shooting a film, and as Collette watched, she noticed

1030
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: this beautiful young actress switching seamlessly between French and English,

1031
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: and without hesitation, she looked up to Maurice and she

1032
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: said she had found quote R G G for America.

1033
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: That actress was Audrey Hepburn. Thank you, colad I loved

1034
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: Apparently she had like a very small part in this

1035
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: Monte Carlo movie. Yeah, and Collett just happened to be

1036
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: rolling through like that bitch. Right, there's a star. Amazing

1037
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: Collette could be right sometimes Maurice went on taking care

1038
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: of Colette's every need. She wrote to a friend quote,

1039
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: I married a saint and he sometimes received mail addressed

1040
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: to Mr Colette, and he swore he did not mind

1041
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: that she was this big name in their marriage, and

1042
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: he was a little bit less of one, I guess,

1043
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: but he said didn't bother him. Sometimes she would ask him,

1044
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: am I going to die? And he would reply not

1045
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: until I give you permission, which I think is says

1046
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: something about the way they talked to each other their relationship.

1047
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: A French filmmaker created a documentary of Colette's life, and

1048
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: at the premier she famously remarked to a journalist quote,

1049
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: what a beautiful life I've had. It's a pity I

1050
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: didn't notice it sooner, Ain't that the way? On her

1051
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: eightieth birthday she received even greater homage from Paris. In

1052
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: nine three, she was made a Grand Officer of the

1053
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: French Lesian Dunner, which is like the highest civil honor

1054
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: in France that you can get. Um. In her lifetime,

1055
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Speaker 1: she had produced over fifty novels, collections of short stories, screenplays,

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Speaker 1: articles and reviews. So she is just her body of

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Speaker 1: work is undeniable. But near the end Colette was less

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Speaker 1: and less lucid. She was sleeping more, she was unable

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Speaker 1: to digest solid food. But on August two, she had

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Speaker 1: a good hour looking at a book with Maurice. A

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Speaker 1: thunderstorm was brewing. Colette swept her arm up as if

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Speaker 1: to showcase the entire outside world, and spoke her final

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Speaker 1: coherent word, regard MHM, which is truly a fitting final

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Speaker 1: word for a woman whose underlying message in all of

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Speaker 1: her work, according to Victoria Best on her lit Love blog,

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Speaker 1: was to quote, make the very best of what you've got,

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Speaker 1: Live with all your senses engaged, let nothing pass you by.

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Speaker 1: And the next day, August three, Colette died. She was

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Speaker 1: denied Catholic funeral rights because of her divorces, but France

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Speaker 1: was not going to let her go with no fanfare.

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Speaker 1: They gave her the first state funeral ever given in

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Speaker 1: France for a woman. More than six thousand mourners showed

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Speaker 1: up as she was buried in per La Chase Cemetery.

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Speaker 1: Judith Thurman entor biography with what we thought were fitting words, quote,

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Speaker 1: as the dirt was shoveled into the grave, the rain began.

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Speaker 1: The Winds rose and a storm broke, one of the

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Speaker 1: most violent in a century. She would have enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: She would have lifted her arm and said, oh my god, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what a Woman's not so interesting to me that despite

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Speaker 1: her collaborations, however, however strong they were. You know, whether

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Speaker 1: it was just like I'm just I'm just gonna quietly

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Speaker 1: kind of just try and do some work and keep

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Speaker 1: my head down and like say what they want to

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Speaker 1: hear as minimally as possible, or whether she was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm on board with this. It's all Jewish people's fault.

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Speaker 1: Like either way, it's surprising to me that France, uh

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Speaker 1: afterwards was like honor the funk out of this woman

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Speaker 1: to give her everything she ever wanted. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess it just shows her contributions outweighed her. Uh what,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you call him missteps or mistakes

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Speaker 1: or poor judgment or that might be Winders, right, and

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01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: that might be enough. They might also been like she's old,

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Speaker 1: Like are you going to kill Collette because she wrote

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Speaker 1: some articles? She's eighty years old, you know what I mean?

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: Maybe they were kind of just like leave her be go.

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: After the year old people. The celebration the extent of

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Speaker 1: time was intense, but they didn't kind of like it.

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Speaker 1: Forget that, you know, in recent years of really I

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01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: think Coca Chanelle and I think we've got her on

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Speaker 1: our list with her Nazi boyfriend, but she was more vilified,

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Speaker 1: especially in recent decades. Yeah, well she actually she did.

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Speaker 1: She did some. Yeah, she was fully on board. So

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Speaker 1: it's a bit different, I think, definitely majorly different. Collette

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Speaker 1: was just trying to get by, right, you know, in

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Speaker 1: a in a crazy world. She was too old to

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01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: make a big change or to make a big stand.

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure she would have done it, if you know,

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Speaker 1: if she had been younger. But at the time, you know,

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01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: it's maybe understandable that she was like, I just want

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Speaker 1: to die and be well and to protect Maurice. That

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01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: again misguided as it was a big Again at the

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Speaker 1: propaganda machine was strong, and people like collect saying like, well,

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Speaker 1: I've got a Jewish husband, so as long as I

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01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: do what they say, will be fine. Yeah, she is

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01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: big in respectability politics. I think she thought if you're

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Speaker 1: the right kind of Jewish person or the right kind

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: of person, they won't bother you. And she was proved

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Speaker 1: wrong many times over, and she just kept thinking it.

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Speaker 1: So that's the most frustrating thing to me is that

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Speaker 1: she kept being like, only people who were mad getting

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: getting or getting in trouble. Oh, these sanctions won't be

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: more than this. Oh they'll leave us be Oh I

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01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: can ask my friends, like she just kept thinking like

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Speaker 1: that they were going to be wrapped in cotton wool

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Speaker 1: and completely avoid what was going on, and it simply

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01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: was not true. And you know, just in terms of

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: that mindset, she did not have the history of the

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Speaker 1: Nazis to look back on and learn from. You know,

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: she was in it for the first time, arguably seeing

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 1: it and being like, no, you know, it's not gonna

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01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: be that, that couldn't possibly happen. And now I think

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01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: we can definitely look back and say, but it did happen.

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Speaker 1: And everyone who said that can't possibly happen was objectively

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01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: wrong exactly, But they didn't have that history to to

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Speaker 1: look back on, right And and you know, and if

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Speaker 1: you're talking to someone racist who thinks all Jewish people

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Speaker 1: are from the devil or something, they're not ever going

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01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: to think you're the right kind of Jewish person. They're

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01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: just only going to think you're Jewish, so that's all

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Speaker 1: I need to know about you. There's no right way

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: to be, you know what I mean that will protect you.

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Speaker 1: So even Maurice had a little bit of that, like

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Speaker 1: I thought, I can I'll get away with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not that Jewish or something right, whatever it was didn't matter,

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Speaker 1: you know ye. So yeah, it's a It's very interesting

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Speaker 1: the Collette had some tunnel vision, I think for sure.

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Speaker 1: Um speaking of her not approving Bell Gazoo being a lesbian,

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: um is kind of one of these things. Like apparently

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Speaker 1: at some point she did meet radcliff Hall, the lesbian

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Speaker 1: author at Natalie Barney's and she was like, oh, radcliff

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Speaker 1: Hall keeps writing about her homosexuality, like she's really ashamed

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Speaker 1: of it, and I just don't think that real gay

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01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: people feel that way about their sex. Like she's clearly

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: so grossed out that she has sex with women, and

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: that's that's just that's not real, Like that's not how

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Speaker 1: you really feel about that. And Judath Thurman is like, well,

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, she grew up. She she came to herself

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01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: sexually in the middle of Bellapoch Paris, where it was

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01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: totally fine to have lesbian relationships and nobody felt any

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: type of way about it. So of course she felt

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Speaker 1: differently than Radcliffe Hall, who grew up in Puritan America

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: surrounded by people who thought it was gross and bad,

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01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: and so of course she would internalize that homophobia and

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01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 1: not be able to you know, she that was her struggle,

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: that was her life struggle, but like Coleg, could not

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01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: enter into it at all because that was not her

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01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: personal experience. So she kind of had to like personally

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: experienced things before she was like, oh, that's a true thing,

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Speaker 1: that really happens. I guess. Fascinating, Yeah, I meant what

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Speaker 1: a complicated character. I mean, you know, you can't summarize it.

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Speaker 1: You just got to go back and listen all four

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Speaker 1: parts of this um or read one of these books.

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Speaker 1: Due to Thurman's book, I'm exciting to uh watch this

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Speaker 1: care nightly movie at some point. I love her. She's

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Speaker 1: she's great, she's very good. So um but fascinating, interesting

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01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: and complicated person. Yeah, and I'm really glad that we

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01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: dived into her because she's just not she's not a

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Speaker 1: cut and tried. You know, you really have to take

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01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: it all in and it's all part of her and

1180
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: she was never going to allow herself to be boxed

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: into anything small. She was a big person, a big sonality.

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Speaker 1: And yeah there's you know she needed four parts. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you all enjoyed them. Yes, person, we did.

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Speaker 1: This was a really cool one. Like you said, to

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01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: get sucked into this one was was great. It was

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01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: definitely worth the time, I think. Um, but always we

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01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: want to hear from you all, like what she thought

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Speaker 1: of this? Um, what do you think of the four parts?

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Speaker 1: Here's a question, you know, if we do a series

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Speaker 1: in the future. I liked breaking it up, doing the

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Speaker 1: Wednesdays and then having another episode on Fridays. But I

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe people really thinking like just get to it,

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Speaker 1: you know. So if you've got thoughts on that, sending

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Speaker 1: our way to definitely um and obviously just any thoughts

1195
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: about this episode or suggestions for future episodes, or just

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Speaker 1: kind words or we are getting we're getting some talk

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Speaker 1: about pineapple pizza. Okay, we did get a little talk

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Speaker 1: about pineapple pizza. I'm gonna save it for our next

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Speaker 1: episode because we've been here awhile. But but well, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you've got more thoughts, send them our way, we'll, we'll,

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