1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Death by trampoline? Have you 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: ever heard of that? Because I had not until I 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: got to know about a little eight year old girl 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: named Jalen. Well, I know every word to that side 5 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: that's from Frozen Let It Go? And how many times 6 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: have we ridden down the road to the highway with 7 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the windows down screaming out the lyrics of let it Go? 8 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: You were just hearing little jail and singing let it Go. 9 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: Sounds like with the windows down in the car. That 10 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: will never happen again. This eight year old little girl 11 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: is dead. Why I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Story. 12 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Take a listen to 13 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: our Dave mac at crime online dot com. On August 14 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, Odessa, Texas police officers respond to a medical 15 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: call at one fifty pm at the home of forty 16 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: four year old Daniel Schwartz and his wife, thirty four 17 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: year old Ashley Schwartz. The schwartz Is tell officers that 18 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: they are the guardians for eight year old Jalen. Jalen 19 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: is the purpose of the call. Police are told that 20 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: Jalen has been jumping on the trampoline for an extended 21 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: period of time without taking any break, right up to 22 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: the point where she appears to have suffered some type 23 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: of seizure and is now unresponsive. With me an all 24 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back 25 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: together again. Let me introduce you to them. First of all, 26 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: former prosecutor now defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions across the US. 27 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: Joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction right now, Daryl Cohen, 28 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, psychologist, adjunct professor, Columbia University at 29 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe Ellis dot Com. Former police chief John's Creek, 30 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: joining me. Chris Buyer's twenty five years on the force 31 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: now private investigator and polygrapher at Chris Buyers Investigations and 32 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Polygraph dot Com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author of 33 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, now the Star on 34 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: a new hit, Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. 35 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: Joe Is Scott Morgan, but first to the lead news 36 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: anchor for w d BO Orlando, Joining me now, Ray Caputo. Ray, 37 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: let me understand, I want to take this from A 38 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: to Z. There's a nine one one call. Police arrive. 39 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: They're in Odessa and it's about two o'clock in the afternoon. 40 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: You know, that's hot. One fifty pm in Odessa to 41 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: a man and his wife. They tell the officers a 42 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: year old Jellen has had some kind of seizure jumping 43 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: on the trampoline. What can you tell me about Odessa, Texas? 44 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: What do we know about Odessa? Well, Nancy, like you said, 45 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: it is hot in the summer. It's Western Texas. And 46 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, not only does it get hot, but then 47 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, above the average temperature, sometimes you get something 48 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: called a heat index where it just feels hotter. So 49 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, wait, wait, wait, wait, what did you say 50 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: about a heat index where it feels hotter? Because I 51 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: know about, for instance, having lived in New York so long, 52 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: it may be thirty six degrees outside, but with the 53 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: wind chill factor, it feels like it's twenty six. I 54 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: didn't realize that applied to heat as well. What are 55 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: you talking about, Well, yeah, absolutely, Nancy. You know, we 56 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: have something called the humidity, and it makes the temperature 57 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: feel even warmer. But also it depends on what you're around. 58 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: If you're you know, I always say that the hottest 59 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: place because I'm in Florida. The hottest place to be 60 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: is in a parking lot in the summertimes. If you're 61 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: around things that radiate heat too, it just makes it hotter. 62 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: So we're not always not just talking about the Texas 63 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: heat here. We're talking about you know, it could be 64 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: upwards of one hundred and ten and whoa, Yeah, you're 65 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: just reminded me of when I cover the jd Area's 66 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: trial out in Phoenix, Arizona. It was so hot in 67 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: the afternoon, and I had the twins with me when 68 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: I would get out of the courthouse. I once said 69 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: only lizards could live there, and I've never lived that 70 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: down it was so darn hot. I've been looking and 71 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: researching into Odessa since I found out about jailing. As 72 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: you said us in West Texas. I know downtown there 73 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: is a jet ben rabbit eight foot tall statute of 74 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a jet rabbit. But more important than that, I know 75 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: that there's about one hundred and twenty thousand people that 76 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: lived there a little over that. So this is a 77 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: small town that's even bigger than the community where I 78 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: grew up. But it's still a small town and you 79 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: don't get many eight year old girls dead when the 80 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: police got there. Was she already dead or did they 81 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: rush her to the hospital, Ray Kaputo, Nancy, she was. 82 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: She was unresponsive. She was having seizures, which is what 83 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: happens when you're outing. But she was unresponsive and then 84 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: they rushed her to the hospital Birmingham, which wasn't too 85 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: far away. But yeah, she wasn't not responsive having seizures. 86 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Hold on to you, Jessics got Morgan death investigator. So 87 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: you can get so hot you go into seizures. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, Nancy. 88 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: It actually affects the brain with this loss of water, 89 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: and there's any number of other things that are going 90 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: to happen. You're going to have vomiting stroke. Yeah, commonly, 91 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of the vernacular that's used with it. But yeah, 92 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: it is a hypothermic death and our hyperthermic death where 93 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: your your body is trying to regulate itself to maintain 94 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: that ninety eight point six. It's not just about a fever. 95 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: It's about the external influences that are going on here. 96 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: And this is horrible. I'll tell you one thing about Odessa, Texas. 97 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: Ain't no trees out there, that's for sure, So there's 98 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: no place to hunt for shade. I mean, understand what 99 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: happened to Jellen. Now, you know, one year before we 100 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: had children, I gave David a trampoline for Christmas, and 101 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: whenever I would fly home from New York, the first 102 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: thing I would do, we'd go jump on the trampoline, 103 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: or I would anyway, and you know at night sometimes 104 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: we'd go out there and lay there and look up 105 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: at the stars. Then we had to get the insurance 106 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: renude and they said, you have a trampoline. Yeah, bye bye, 107 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: So we had to get rid of the trampoline. It 108 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: was only fast forward years later Joe Scott Morgan that 109 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: after much begging from the twins and against my legal judgment, 110 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: we got another trampoline and the twins jump on it 111 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: a lot. So my question is, I don't understand exactly 112 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: how that would factor into her going into seizures, the 113 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: fact that she's jumped on a trampoline in the heat. How, 114 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, how long would you have to jump in 115 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: that heat before you would start having seizures? And why 116 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: does your body go into seizures? What is a seizure exactly? Well, 117 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: the seizure actually takes place in the brain itself. There's 118 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: actually there's a control center within the brain, and once 119 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: that begins to shut down as a result of we 120 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: have a loss of water and also those basic elements 121 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: that we need to survive, like electro lights. Those things 122 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: actually control the electro lights themself actually control the rhythm 123 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: of the heart. They control our synapses within our brain. 124 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: So okay, it's just right there, right there, Joe Scott, 125 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: how many times have I asked you to talk regular 126 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: people talk? What's an electro light and what is the synapse? Well, 127 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: the synaps are the little they're the little conductors for 128 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the electrical impulses in our brain that actually tell They take, 129 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: they take the information and communicate it. They literally fire 130 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: off electro lights that are contained many times within water, 131 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: that kind of you know that flows through our body. 132 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: How many times do we hear about remaining hydrated throughout all, 133 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, anything that we do day in and day out, 134 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: and with the balance of the electrolytes in the body, 135 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: this maintains this kind of perfect calm and our body 136 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: at all times. As we begin to lose the water 137 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: through the salts that are contained within the water and 138 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the electrolytes, conversely, our body gets out of whack and 139 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: so you can't compensate for this without slowing down, cooling off, 140 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: and taking on water. And this did not happen in 141 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: this case. Clime stories with Nancy Grace, guys are talking 142 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: about a little eight year old girl jealing shore dead 143 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: in the heat in Odessa, Texas on her trampoline. Now, 144 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: how did it happen? Didn't her body sent her signals, 145 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm thirsty, I'm hot, I've got to go in. Why 146 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: didn't this little girl notice I'm hot, I need water, 147 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: I got to get off the trampoline and go in 148 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: the house. Take a listen to Tatum Gin at News 149 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: West nine. Police found the girl dead after responding to 150 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: a call at a home on Locust Avenue. Investigators say 151 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: the girl was punished and not allowed to eat breakfast. 152 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: They add that she was required to jump on a 153 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: trampoline without stopping for an extended period of time, and 154 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: it was also not allowed to drink any water because 155 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: she wasn't jumping, and autopsy report says that their death 156 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: as homicide. The little girl didn't come down off the 157 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: trampoline for water or to quit jumping in the heat 158 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: well over one hundred degrees because mommy and Daddy wouldn't 159 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: let her listen to Dave Matt crime online. By the 160 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: time Odessa, Texas police officers arrive at the home of 161 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Daniel and Ashley Schwartz, eight year old Jaylen is already dead. 162 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: Officers are told that Jalen has been jumping on the 163 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: trampoline without stopping. The investigation reveals that Jaylen was being punished. 164 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: She was not allowed to eat breakfast, and she was 165 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: required to jump on the trampoline without stopping. According to 166 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: their police report, she had been jumping for an extended 167 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: period of time. Digging deeper, police discover the little girl 168 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: was not allowed to drink any water because she had 169 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: to stop jumping on the trampoline to stop and drink water, 170 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: and she was not allowed to stop jumping. These two people, 171 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Daniel Schwartz forty four Ashley Schwartz thirty four, need to 172 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: burn and hell a little while before they start rotting 173 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: in hell. Can you even imagine putting your child out 174 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: in one hundred and ten degree heat, forcing them to jump, 175 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: no breakfast, and as they turn redder and redder in 176 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: the face and need water, you won't let them come down. 177 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Daryl coh A former prosecutor now defense attorney. You've handled 178 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, but I guarantee you I would 179 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: take a bite out of these people's rear in and 180 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: not let go until I had them in jail for life, 181 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: behind bars without parole. Give me any possible defense, Nancy. 182 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: You know I like to fight with you, and I 183 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: normally disagree with you. But in this instance these people, 184 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: the word despicable does not explain what their actions are. 185 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: I will tell you what I would do as a prosecutor. 186 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: I know what you do. I can see you right now, 187 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: coming down the long hallway and Fulton County Courthouse Annex 188 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: where all the new courtrooms are, with your tail dragon 189 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: between your feet, coming right at me, trying to cut 190 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: a deal. You know that's what you would do. I 191 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: see it on your face by the end of the hallway. 192 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: I know what you'd want, absolutely, because there is no defense, 193 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: and any jury that has an opportunity to pass a 194 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: judgment based upon the evidence will destroy these people. And 195 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: I will tell you this. If they were to be incarcerated, 196 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: and they will be, then the prison population will take 197 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: care of olah blah. You always say that jailhouse justice 198 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: really the only time to you. Chris Buyer saw a 199 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: former chief of police John's Creek now private investigator Polygrapher. 200 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: The only times I've seen jailhouse justice is when somebody 201 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: killed Jeff Dahmer behind bars. I think that was in 202 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Wisconsin after he murdered an God only knows how many 203 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: people he got killed behind bars. And then there was 204 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: this priest that lesson all these little boys and guess 205 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: who he met behind bars one of his victims he 206 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: got killed. I don't really hear of that much jailhouse justice. 207 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: Would you like to correct Daryl Cohen? Or am I 208 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: taking you on too? Because I'm happy to do that, 209 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: Chief Buyers happy Now I'll pick Darrel in a little 210 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: bit on that. Yeah, no justice needs to happen here, 211 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: but it doesn't need to depend on what happens behind bars. 212 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: There's there's some serious justice that needs to be administered 213 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: to these people because it's absolutely one of the most 214 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: sickening things that I've ever heard. I can tell you 215 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: the police officer responding to something like that, And everybody 216 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: thinks that we're robots, but we're moms and dads and 217 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: aunts and uncles. And in my twenty five years of 218 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement. The cases that stick out in my mind 219 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: the most, the ones that I really remember, the ones 220 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: involving children. So there's some serious justice that needs to 221 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: be Still doubt in this, you know, he just says 222 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: something really smart, Chief Buyers. I'd like to point out, 223 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: it's not the first time you bombed me with a 224 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: gem of wisdom. We shouldn't rely on inmates behind bars 225 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: for jailhouse justice. Take a listen to Dave Matt crime 226 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: online dot com. The Odessa Police Department investigation into the 227 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: death of eight year old Jalen revealed that while the 228 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: little girl was being forced to jump on the trampoline 229 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: without stopping and without benefit of water, the temperature of 230 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: the trampoline read to be approximately one hundred and ten 231 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: degrees and the ground around the trampoline approximately one hundred 232 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: and fifty degrees. This is according to the Odessa Police 233 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Department report of the event. According to AccuWeather dot com, 234 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: the high temperature in Odessa in August twenty ninth was 235 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and three degrees. Daniel and Ashley Schwartz had 236 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: been raising eight year old Jalen as well as her sister, Jade. 237 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: Jade was removed from the home and placed in foster 238 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: care after the death of Jalen. I found something out, well, actually, 239 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: actually you found it out for me. Ashley Swartz, the mom, 240 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: and for those of you listening, I'm using air quotees. 241 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: The mom of Jellen is a step sister of Jellen's 242 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: bio mom. So, for whatever reason, I know that Jellen, 243 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: eight year old little Jellen, and her sister Jade are 244 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: there in the home for a temporary period of time. 245 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: For all I know, it's a week, it's a month, 246 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: it's a year, I don't know. I just know they're 247 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: in the step sister and her husband's home and they're 248 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: the ones punishing her. Did you hear that, Joe Scott. 249 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to you about it being one 250 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty degrees around the trampoline. But let me 251 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: go to doctor Debbie Joffey ellis psychologist professor at Columbia University. 252 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie, what is a sadist. Well, it's a person 253 00:16:53,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: who is disassociated from basic reality and lacking a moral 254 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: compass and often driven by a need to control and 255 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: or has the inability to handle frustration, in patience, and 256 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: anger in a healthy way. Didn't you leave out the 257 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: part where they like to torture and hurt other people. 258 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: Did I miss that? Or does she just say something 259 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: about they don't know how to deal with their frustration 260 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: in a healthy way. Will you please, doctor Debby, stop 261 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: sugarcoating every time I ask you a question? What does 262 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: they satis do for fun? Let me put it, let 263 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: me rephrase your honor, what does a satus do for fun? Well, 264 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing that some people who act in sadistic 265 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: ways do that, and s what does satists do? They 266 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: act in ways that inflict suffering on others. They act 267 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: with uther a t they act with brutality. And I'm 268 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: not trying to sugar code anything, Nancy, but if we 269 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: want to live with a just say sadist can't deal 270 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: with frustration in a healthy way. That could be me 271 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: kicking the trash can. The Oxford Language Dictionary defines sadist 272 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: as a person who derives pleasure, sometimes sexual gratification, pleasure 273 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: from inflicting pain or humiliation on others. Apparently, at Columbia University, 274 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: where doctor Debbie Joffe LS is an adjunct professor, they 275 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: say you're sadist is someone who can't express frustration in 276 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: a healthy way BNK for me, not for the university. Please, 277 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: that's okay, you're right. Let me rephrase. And doctor Debbie 278 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: Joffe ellis Land. Yes, sadist is someone who can't deal 279 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: with frustration in a healthy way. But from the little 280 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: bit I know now, I'm just a JD. I'm not 281 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: an MD. I'm not a psychologist. But sadism, A sadist 282 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: inflicts pain and they enjoy it. They inflict pain on 283 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: somebody else. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are talking 284 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: about an eight year old little girl dead and according 285 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: to me and other news outlooks, a sadistic couple kill 286 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: an eight year old girl by making her jump on 287 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: a trampoline during blistering hot heat. That's what the police say. 288 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Daniel Schwartz forty four, thirty four year old wife Ashley 289 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: punished Jael a roasting August day, ground temperature one hundred 290 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: and fifty degrees fahrenheit. And I am looking directly at 291 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: a news report describing her last moments. It's amazing to me. Guys, 292 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: listen to what we learn in the autopsy. This is 293 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: Brett Barney Crime Online dot Com investigate every reporter. The 294 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: autopsy performed on Jalen concludes the eight year old died 295 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: from dehydration. The girl was forced to continuously jump on 296 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: a trampoline as punishment by her guardians. Police affidavits include 297 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: comments on how it was not uncommon for the family 298 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: to use the trampoline as a form of punishment for misbehaving. 299 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: The investigation reveals that Jalen was forced to jump without 300 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: stopping for quote an extended period of time. As yet, 301 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: we don't know how long she had been on the trampoline. 302 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: Jalen was also not given water because she would have 303 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: to stop jumping to drink it. The final autopsy report 304 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: lists the manner of death is homicide and was of 305 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: death to be dehydration. Doctor Debby Jaffie Ellis rematch round 306 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: two right back in the ring, Doctor Debby, Yes, do 307 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: you hear what Brett Barney just reported? They had done 308 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: this before. This was a form of punishment. This is 309 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: how they one of the ways that I know they 310 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: punished this little girl. Like in your profession, Nancy, I 311 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: don't come to any definite conclusion until unless I have 312 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: solid evidence. Now I don't disagree with your definition of saddism. 313 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: I absolutely do not. I also agree that these parents 314 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: had better have just consequences, but I also want to 315 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: say that it may have been that they got enjoyment 316 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: or and this is different. It's not the same. An 317 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: absolutistic dictator like and need to control coupled wiz an 318 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: inability to handle frustration. So you're bad anability to handle frustration. 319 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: You're back on it. She's dead, doctor Debby, the good 320 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: little girl eight years old. Didn't you hear her singing, 321 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: let it go from frozen? She's dead. That's never gonna 322 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: happen again. And they had used this form of punishment before, 323 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: forcing her to jump on the trampoline without ceasing to 324 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: Ray Caputo, I didn't realize they had done this to 325 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: her before. Yeah, and Nancy, it's completely astonishing. If you 326 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: grow up in a colder climate, you know not to 327 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: send your kids out without mittens and boots. These folks, 328 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: they live in Texas. It goes without saying, you know, 329 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: to not put your kid out in hot weather without 330 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: taking proper precautions. I mean every year and here in 331 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: Florida we do news stories when when suber starts for 332 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the kids because it's to keep them safe. So they 333 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: did this before and if you understand how the other 334 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: works in these hot climates, I mean, it's beyond negligent. 335 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: These two are really in for it when they when 336 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: they hit the courts, because everybody that lives in Texas knows, 337 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: you know how how preposterous it would be to do 338 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: what they did and not just once, but over and 339 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: order and that, Daryl Cohen, let me help you with 340 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: your defense. This is why they're going to argue they 341 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: were just negligent. They didn't know that she could go 342 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: into convulsions and die. But isn't it true, Daryl Cohen, 343 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: that under the law in every state in the United States, 344 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: the law says that it the law presumes you intend 345 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: the natural consequences of your act. For instance, if I 346 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: take a gun thirty eight loaded and pointed at Jackie 347 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 1: right here in the studio, pull the trigger as she dies, 348 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: I can't then say, oh, I was just trying to 349 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: scare her. I didn't know she's gonna die. No, the 350 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: law presumes. This is the black and white letter of 351 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: the law. I'm just I'm making this up. I've heard 352 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: judges charge this a hundred times. Read it verbatim to 353 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: a jury. The law presumes you intend the natural consequence 354 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: of your act. You put a child, you refuse food 355 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: and water the night before breakfast water. Nothing forced her 356 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: to jump at one fifty pm in there in Odessa, Texas, 357 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty degrees around that Champlaine, What do 358 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: you think is going to happen? The law presumes you 359 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: intend her to have a stroke when they answer your right. 360 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: The law does presume that. But as a defense lawyer, 361 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: if they were my clients, the first thing I would 362 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: do was have them psychologically example, oh dear lord. Thing 363 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: I would do would have them pay as much pentence 364 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: as POS think they will be. But if they're out 365 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: on bond, they need to do community service, They need 366 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: to get psychological counseling, and they need to be able 367 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: to say, we were trying to punish, not kill. We 368 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: realize now that we were wrong. We've lost this child forever. 369 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: We were so wrong. I don't think it's going to work, 370 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: but I don't see what else they can do other 371 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: than get on their knees and beg second verse same 372 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: as the first, because let me also remind me, I'm 373 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: really embarrassed for you Darryl Cohen. Since you obviously are 374 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: not embarrassed for yourself, let me remind you also that 375 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: the law reason this is a black and white letter 376 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: of the law. I don't even have to look it up. 377 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: I've heard it so many times. I can tell you 378 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: verbat him that one may immediately regret the deed, but 379 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: that does not diminish the act. They can say I'm 380 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: sorry all they want to, they can cry me a river, 381 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I mean, let's get real, jose Scott, 382 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: would this little girl go through with me? Joseph Scott Morgan, 383 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: death investigator, author star Poisonous Liaisons. I could go on 384 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: and on, but I want to get back to Jalen. 385 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: What did this child? Eight years old? As I'm sitting here, 386 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: friend girl of mine sent me a picture of Lucy 387 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: and her her little child daughter together at Lego Land 388 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: and they're doing all kind of crazy poses and she 389 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: was about eight years old in that picture. I cannot 390 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: imagine what my life would be without her or John David. 391 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what reason I would even have 392 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: to live anymore. What did this child go through? Joe Scott, 393 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: Let's just lay it out for Daryl Cohen. Yeah, let 394 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: me ask you a question real quick, Nancy, what color 395 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: generally is the canvas that a trampoline is made out of? Black? 396 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Or dark green? Black? That's right, And we know that 397 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: in science that black does not reflect like it does 398 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 1: not reflect heat. What does it do? It absorbs it. 399 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: So not only is this child dancing about in this 400 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: horrific maccabbre set of circumstances on a surface that probably 401 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: to her feels like hell itself, she's also surrounded almost 402 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: like being in a convection of and where the heat 403 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: is swirling around her little body. Remember what Dave said, 404 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty degree ground temperature. That means what 405 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: does heat do? Heat radiate? So it's actually coming up 406 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: off the ground. And then she's surrounded by the ambient temperature, 407 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: which is about one hundred and ten. You combine all 408 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: of this and listen, there is no way, there is 409 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: no way under the sun that you're going to convince 410 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: me that they didn't know what they were doing. Listen, 411 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: the night before the night before all of this happened, 412 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: they hadn't even fed her. They had withheld nourishment from 413 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: the child. And there's a distinct pattern that they had 414 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: done this over and over. You know what this reminds 415 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: me of. It reminds me of little Cooper. Harris was 416 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: just thinking that his daddy weaponized heat. These people, these 417 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: people weaponized heat against this child. Now, I don't know 418 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: if they're saying this, maybe they are, but I know this. 419 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: This little girl is dead. And they sat there. They 420 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: did just say go outside and jump on the trampoline. 421 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: They sat there and watched as she dwindled. You know 422 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: that because of the dehydration, Nancy, that if this child 423 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: wanted to physically demonstrate through tears that she's upset, that 424 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: she's terrified, do you know, she wouldn't even be capable 425 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: of crying. Do you know if that's one of the 426 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: symptomologies with dehydration, particularly fatal dehydration, you can't even generate tears. 427 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: Let that sink in just for a moment. Her skin 428 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: loses elasticity, It literally shrivels up. In these moments. There 429 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: are even some circumstances where the eye will begin to 430 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: kind of retract into the sockets. It's a horrific, horrific 431 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: way to die. Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, we were 432 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: talking about the death of an eight year old little girl, 433 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: jael In Schwartz, at the hands of Daniel and Ashley Schwartz. 434 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Take a listen to CBS seven News. Daniel and Ashley 435 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: Schwartz were slapped with charges after Odessa police found an 436 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: eight year old girl named Jalen dead in August. The 437 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: victims family members tell us that Schwartzes were her guardians, 438 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: not parents. A member of Jalen's family also gave us 439 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: these photos of the young girl. Now, police investigation show 440 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: Jalen had been deprived, not being allowed to eat breakfast 441 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: or drink water, and was made to jump on a 442 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: trampoline without stopping in over one her degree heat. She 443 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: died of dehydration, according to Odessa Police. Our friends reporting 444 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: at CBS this sadist couple now being charged in her death. 445 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: This isn't the first time and child has been forced 446 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: to exercise till death. Take a listen to a case 447 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: I covered on HLN joining us Jonathan Hardison WBrC Jonathan, 448 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: what happened, well, Nancy, Here's what investigators are telling This 449 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: last Friday afternoon, about three o'clock, so nine year old 450 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: Savannah Harden comes home from elementary school with her grandmother. 451 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: She was fine when she left school. She gets back 452 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: to her house and that's when investigators say the grandmother 453 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: discovered that At some point, We're not sure exactly when 454 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: this was. Maybe it was Friday, maybe it was the 455 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: day before, the grandmother found out that Savannah had had 456 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: a candy bar. Now she was not supposed to have chocolate, 457 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: according to because Savannah had a bladder condition that they 458 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: believed chocolate could exacerbate or make worse. So to punish her, 459 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: according to investigators, Joyce Gerard began making her drainschild run 460 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: around the house and this continued, they say, for about 461 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: three hours until she collapsed into a seizure about six 462 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: forty five. That's when her stepmom, twenty six year old 463 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: Jessica Harden, who by the way, at the time was 464 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: nine months pregnant, called ninety one one and says, my 465 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: stepdaughters having a seizure. Medics come out to this scene 466 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: in rule Edowa County, northeast of Birmingham, take her to 467 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: a local hospital native side. She's in bad enough condition 468 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: they're going to airlift her to Children's Hospital in Birmingham, 469 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: and that is where she died. Because this little girl 470 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: a candy bar. Sanda was just nine years old. Grandmother 471 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: made her carry an armful of logs I guess for 472 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: their fireplace and run around and around and around the 473 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: house while she and stepmother, the evil stepmother sat on 474 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: the porch and smoked cigarettes and watched Savannah run until 475 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: she dies, goes into seizures. And I want you to 476 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: hear what the grandmother told the bus driver. Take a listen. 477 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: This takes evil stepmommy to a whole new level. Step 478 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: Mommy and grandma force a nine year old little girl 479 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: to run until she literally drops dead. Tonight, Grandma caught 480 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: on tape telling the girls school bus driver she'll quote 481 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: run the girl until she quote can't run no more. 482 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: And this is all over a candy bar while these 483 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: two grown women sit by lounging. Step Mommy actually on 484 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: her iPhone and laptop while the girl dies. The nine 485 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: year old girl crawling, finally crawling on all fours, bagging 486 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: this she bits from hell to let her stop. The 487 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: grandmother and the mother show no mercy. That was me 488 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: on Achelnne covering the death of a little nine year 489 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: old Savannah Harden. And you know now we see history 490 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: repeating itself with Jellen, eight year old Jellen Shorts. The 491 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: mom kicked back, tapping through her iPhone, probably on Facebook, 492 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: laughing and joking as the little girl literally begs to stop. 493 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Now at a point she's crawling. Well, it doesn't end there. 494 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. We are getting reports that 495 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: your son has been found any of your basement, sir, 496 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: mister Bothell, are you yeah, we are getting reports that 497 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: your son has been found alive in your basement. What yes, 498 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: that's what if? If you can hand me that wire 499 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah, we're getting that right now from from Yeah. 500 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: How how could your son be alive in your basement? Uh? 501 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: I have I have no idea. Now, this is just 502 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: a report that we are hearing out of Detroit that 503 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: we're trying to confirm. Everybody in New York. Please get 504 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: on it. Let me know when we get Charlie Langton 505 00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: from wwj Uh, sir, did you check your basement? You 506 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: know why the little boy disappeared, and he had been 507 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: going down this corridor surreptitiously that would connect to other 508 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: people's basements and storage areas because he was forced to exercise. 509 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: Listen to my friends at my old TV home CNN listen. 510 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: According to two court petitions filed in juvenile court, Charlie 511 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: told investigators he was forced to get up at five 512 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: am by his father and complete one hundred pushups, two 513 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: hundred sit ups, twenty five arm curls, and thousands of 514 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: revolutions on the elliptical trainer twice a day, seven days 515 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: a week. The twelve year old said he had to 516 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: complete the grueling routine in under an hour or he'd 517 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: have to do it again. Charlie said sometimes he couldn't 518 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: finish because he was in too much pain, pain allegedly 519 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: caused by his father hitting him with a PVC pipe 520 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: on his feet. Police found Charlie in his own basement 521 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, crouched down, barricaded behind a stack of 522 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: boxes and a fifty five gallon barrel. A twelve year 523 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: old seemed excited to see police, who say he was 524 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: hungry out to the father of Chillens. Nancy Grace broke 525 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: the news to his father, Charles Bothel, that his son 526 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: was found live on air. We are getting reports that 527 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: your son has been found alive in your basement. What 528 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: that little child lived after being tortured and forced to 529 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: exercise this year that starting his regiment at five am, 530 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: hiding out for weeks on end the parents had reported 531 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: him missing, when in fact he may have saved his 532 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: own life by hiding out in this elabyrinth of connected 533 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: basements and storage areas underground because he didn't want to 534 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: do those brutal, tortuous workouts. Now we have gel and 535 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: Schwartz dead. To Ray Caputo, lead US anchor W dbo Orlando, 536 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: I understand the two have been charged with murder. Yes, Nancy, 537 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: capital murder, and of course you Chris Buyers, former police 538 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: chief John's Creek, we know what that means. Capital murder. Yeah, absolutely, 539 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: facing death penalty of life in prison about role, which 540 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: is exactly what they should be facing the death penalty. Man, 541 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: you're not kidding. I'm not going to argue death penalty 542 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: wrong or right, because that is up to a jury 543 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: to decide. But if you're going to have the death penalty, 544 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: think about it. Yep, this is exactly what it's for. 545 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a scene I know you have, chief, 546 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: where there has been so much child cruelty the child dies, Yes, 547 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: I have. And again, like I said earlier, those are 548 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: the cases that just stick with you. There's a couple 549 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: of children's faces that I literally have nightmares about still 550 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: and wake up scene because those scenes are just so 551 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: absolutely brutal and heartbreaking. That is exactly what this case is. 552 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfals Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off, 553 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: Get bye friend,