Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and this time for another edition of
Speaker 1: mix Shots on a Thursday. Here inside the SWBC podcast
Speaker 1: studio at Ford Center at the Star in Fresco, Bill
Speaker 1: Jones with Mickey Spagnola wearing his cowboy blue today. That's
Speaker 1: royal blue. It's kind of Kansas City boy. And Everson
Speaker 1: Walls joins us. Hello, Everson, Hello Bill. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 1: Doing very well? Thank you? And ever since we missed
Speaker 1: you yesterday? What did I What did I miss while
Speaker 1: I was gone? We had a few things to talk
Speaker 1: about yesterday. We've got more of the same and then
Speaker 1: some to talk about today. To set the scene here,
Speaker 1: Mickey just came from the practice field where he was
Speaker 1: listening to some of the interviews post practice interviews that
Speaker 1: are going on right now. Marie, Marie Cooper, Okay, we
Speaker 1: need a wireless a wireless Mike. Yeah, put it down
Speaker 1: on the little stand and listen to what Dak has
Speaker 1: to say here and wherever whenever he shows us. So
Speaker 1: Dak's about to talk to the media, he was supposed to.
Speaker 1: This is his day. I don't know what time, if
Speaker 1: he comes right away or if he showers first, so
Speaker 1: he's usually the last guy. Okay, all right, So we
Speaker 1: what have you heard so far from anybody as anyone
Speaker 1: had any play? What does the coach say? What's coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy talking about? Did he explain himself? Did he talk
Speaker 1: about the untimeliness of this relie? What was it? Or
Speaker 1: it might or it might have been very timely by
Speaker 1: the way, might have been. Yeah, ye, bring us up
Speaker 1: to speak, Micky, what can you well? And we should
Speaker 1: point out that's what has happened, as many of you
Speaker 1: probably know by now, what has happened since we last
Speaker 1: convened yesterday, is that Jalen Smith apparently has found a
Speaker 1: new NFL home very quickly, right, Mickey, Yes, he has.
Speaker 1: Looks like he's agreed to a one year deal with
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, and I would imagine from my
Speaker 1: financial standpoint, it doesn't have to be for all that much,
Speaker 1: since the Cowboys have to honor his seven point two
Speaker 1: million dollars base salary. So I would imagine the veteran
Speaker 1: minimum since it happened so fast that it didn't have
Speaker 1: to be much of a negotiation, right, especially the veteran
Speaker 1: minimum for now just what thirteen games? You don't have
Speaker 1: to pay for the whole season too, by the way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that took place, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy today did not want to talk anything more
Speaker 1: about it. Um, you know, and I'm sure they were
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, whatever, you know, good, good for him,
Speaker 1: he was able to find a job or whatever. Uh
Speaker 1: so he was pretty mum on that. Yesterday, Everson said,
Speaker 1: I mean Everson, he said that there were multiple factors
Speaker 1: on why they allowed decided to release Jalen Smith, and
Speaker 1: he didn't want to get into the factors. So that
Speaker 1: left it fair game for us to fill in the
Speaker 1: factors the best we thought we could. Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: let's go, let's let's just throw stuff up in the
Speaker 1: air and let's see what sticks. How about it. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's start right. Well, we we did it yesterday and
Speaker 1: um and you should have been listening, by the way, Uh,
Speaker 1: he was in transit all. You know that they called
Speaker 1: there's a thing called recordings by the way, right, yes so,
Speaker 1: and I don't think called Cowboys dot Com. Yes media,
Speaker 1: click on media and right there you go. But I
Speaker 1: think that you know, the the you know, quick review
Speaker 1: of it was number one. I think play on the
Speaker 1: field number two. They wanted to restructure his contract, especially
Speaker 1: next year where he had a injury guarantee for nine
Speaker 1: point two million against injury, meaning if he got injured
Speaker 1: at any point this year, they would be and it
Speaker 1: carried over and he wasn't good to go by the
Speaker 1: fifth day of the league year, he was guaranteed that
Speaker 1: base salary, and I think that's what they wanted to
Speaker 1: restructure and not take that chance. And I think he denied.
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing I think we've learned when
Speaker 1: it comes down to dollars and cents with the Joneses, Um,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big deal. Uh. And then I think
Speaker 1: the other thing they looked at is, you know, with
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill coming back, uh, and probably Michael Parsons playing
Speaker 1: more linebacker, you know, the way he was playing and
Speaker 1: how they were using him. He was going to be
Speaker 1: linebacker four behind Layton Vanderish so and in some people's mind,
Speaker 1: they might have wind up being linebacker. Linebacker five behind
Speaker 1: you Brille Cox too right, and and and then the
Speaker 1: other six behind Louke Gifford, and then the other thing.
Speaker 1: The other thing ever said that, I think they were
Speaker 1: looking at and Mike kept saying, big picture. Well, the
Speaker 1: big picture is they've got about a half dozen guys
Speaker 1: that will be returning or they want to return this
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. Uh. And there was going to
Speaker 1: be some roster shaving to make room for those guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're not you know, playing or
Speaker 1: starting in Europe, not doing much special teams, you might
Speaker 1: be the one to eventually go anyway. So I think
Speaker 1: they just made the decision after a personnel meeting on Tuesday, that,
Speaker 1: you know what, it was time to move on. You know,
Speaker 1: when you look at all the breadcrumbs that were left
Speaker 1: by the organization, Cowboys organization, I think we kind of
Speaker 1: saw this coming, but maybe not in this timely fashion.
Speaker 1: The draft itself, we drafted how many linebackers guys. I
Speaker 1: mean that should have let all the starting linebackers those
Speaker 1: that are here know, hey, we have some young talent
Speaker 1: here that is not only good but they are multi talented.
Speaker 1: You've got you know, we talked about having these uh
Speaker 1: hybrid type of players. You see a Jabril Cox. For
Speaker 1: some reason, that's the first person I thought about when
Speaker 1: they when I heard they let go of Jalen and
Speaker 1: so along with some of the video that was sent
Speaker 1: to me by some secret spy, that just really exhibited
Speaker 1: just how incompetence at times that Jayden Smith was and
Speaker 1: they were. It was glaring in competence. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: make a mistake here and there amongst making great plays.
Speaker 1: You saw more mistakes than you saw plays made. And
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that you want from a player
Speaker 1: that you have already paid this super contract. And I
Speaker 1: have to say, guys, did we sign him to too
Speaker 1: much too soon? I know, spags, you're going to talk
Speaker 1: about what the market dictates, and and you know what,
Speaker 1: someone else could have swooped him up. And they saw
Speaker 1: him on the uptick as opposed that we've seen him.
Speaker 1: We're seeing him now on the downtick. You're gonna say
Speaker 1: that that's what the market bared. But even when they
Speaker 1: signed him, I was very surprised that it was for
Speaker 1: so much and so soon. Well, he had the one
Speaker 1: good year, and I think they said, okay, it would
Speaker 1: be behoove us to sign him early and probably for
Speaker 1: a lesser amount than if they waited another year or
Speaker 1: two when he really uh you know, continued on that track.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately that didn't happen. And the other thing that, as
Speaker 1: we pointed out yesterday, you know, everybody talks about his
Speaker 1: base salary this year, what they don't have to pay
Speaker 1: next year, but they forget to point out that there's
Speaker 1: going to be six point eight million dollars in dead
Speaker 1: money going into the cap that the Cowboys have to
Speaker 1: account to for next year. And then the other thing,
Speaker 1: and Everson, you probably can give us a kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, a different view on this than we
Speaker 1: might have. You know, I heard the talk today about
Speaker 1: how surprised all the players were and how this was
Speaker 1: going to affect the locker room, and you know, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen in practice without the team one of
Speaker 1: the team leaders there. And my point was is, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to affect it one bit. And
Speaker 1: if anybody watched a part of practice that we watched yesterday,
Speaker 1: I mean today there was no one out there morning. Okay,
Speaker 1: they were having a very spirited uh practice high energy uh.
Speaker 1: And so no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no, I'm not saying I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I think from a players standpoint, I gotta
Speaker 1: worry about myself, right, I gotta make sure that I
Speaker 1: go out there and practice well. And next guy up's
Speaker 1: got to go out and say, Okay, I got an opportunity.
Speaker 1: You can't sit there and go, oh, what are they doing?
Speaker 1: My good buddy, Jalen's gone. I just don't think that
Speaker 1: happens in this transient business that is the NFL, is
Speaker 1: especially now right in free agency. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you got a lot of young guys out there
Speaker 1: that pretty much understand that where this opportunity leads them,
Speaker 1: they might look at this as Okay, guys, this is
Speaker 1: just the process. This is not a warning shot to
Speaker 1: players who aren't playing well. This is the team committing
Speaker 1: to going forward with the best they can go forward with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how broken up the locker
Speaker 1: room can be. You and I Spags have always joked
Speaker 1: about Eugene Lockhart and I always trying to give him
Speaker 1: some props on making all the tackles that he made,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jalen was always the perfect example of that.
Speaker 1: You can make those tackles, but with their ten and
Speaker 1: fifteen yards down the field after you've chased them down
Speaker 1: because you hit the wrong gap. You know, your hustle
Speaker 1: is admirable, but you get you get a minus on
Speaker 1: that play because he still got away from you. He
Speaker 1: still came through your hole. So that happened a lot
Speaker 1: with Jalen, and it continued throughout this season. We're still
Speaker 1: giving up a lot of points. Were still decent against
Speaker 1: the run, but we could be even better when you
Speaker 1: take a look at some of the glaring mistakes that Jayleen.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting it all on Jalen, trust me, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that. But what they have not seen is
Speaker 1: not just having seen an improvement from him. They've seen
Speaker 1: a decline from not just his his play, but it
Speaker 1: seems like his athletic ability. Yeah no, and I think
Speaker 1: you're right. And you know, the guys were asked about
Speaker 1: it yesterday, and you know, everybody kind of you know,
Speaker 1: said the right thing. And but I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: what Layton vander esh talked about more so than his
Speaker 1: ability or lack of ability or Layton came down on
Speaker 1: people kind of making fun of him on social media
Speaker 1: on the fact that yeah, it was about time they
Speaker 1: got rid of him da And I just want you
Speaker 1: to listen to what Leyton had to say about, you know,
Speaker 1: guys getting cut, guys losing their jobs, and he turned
Speaker 1: it more into hey, this is what happens to people
Speaker 1: in our league. What bugs me most about it is
Speaker 1: when people that are on the outside fans whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, they want to say, oh, like, someone deserves
Speaker 1: this or someone deserves that everything. They don't realize that
Speaker 1: this is literally like our livelihoods. We literally could get
Speaker 1: up and traded the next morning, like the next day,
Speaker 1: we could be in fifty different freaking states. So people
Speaker 1: need to realize that. People needn't realize that what they're
Speaker 1: saying is literally just like nonsense. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a big problem in the world today. And then you
Speaker 1: cut that out because I mean, we're literally talking about like,
Speaker 1: we don't go talking about someone else's job, so why
Speaker 1: are they talking about our jobs. It's super frustrating, it's annoying.
Speaker 1: I think it's classless. I got a lot of strong
Speaker 1: words for it, because I know a lot of guys
Speaker 1: are on the league. Deal with it. We got families.
Speaker 1: We might be in one area. You got dudes that
Speaker 1: have been playing for a team for eight years, they
Speaker 1: get traded. They got family, they got kids that have
Speaker 1: been there for that long. And think about that before
Speaker 1: you say something like, oh, this guy deserves this, but
Speaker 1: this guy deserves that. We don't go saying oh, we
Speaker 1: aren't in your business, like how much you guys are
Speaker 1: getting paid, or or what's your boss saying? Or this
Speaker 1: than that, and about anybody else's jobs. We aren't doing that.
Speaker 1: This is our lovelihood, this is our job. We get
Speaker 1: traded tomorrow, we get cut tomorrow. Yeah, so people need
Speaker 1: to realize what they're saying on social media because I
Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous. So there you go kind of a
Speaker 1: different point of view on this stuff. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: that because of course, you know, I've gone through it,
Speaker 1: and hey, you can look at a lot of different occupations.
Speaker 1: I mean even you guys man when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the media. Hell, Bill, how many jobs have you had?
Speaker 1: About twenty five and not all by his own choice?
Speaker 1: Right back to my points, So you know I've gone
Speaker 1: through with myself facts you've been from the hot water.
Speaker 1: You know you've heard You've heard how people talk about Mickey.
Speaker 1: I mean the people he works with over those radio stations,
Speaker 1: what they say about Mickey. Yeah, so, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I do like the angle that vandersch. I'm gonna mean
Speaker 1: to call it an angle, but uh, he's white. You know,
Speaker 1: stuff happens, man, We are aware of that. And I
Speaker 1: think what he's saying is, Okay, stuff does happens, but
Speaker 1: have a little bit more empathy. I think that's what
Speaker 1: he's saying. And let's let me say this, guys. I
Speaker 1: know I sound like an old food but you just
Speaker 1: cannot let social media determine your outlook on anything, man,
Speaker 1: if it's coming from a negative standpoint. I see athletes
Speaker 1: now reading social media, reading these comments from people they
Speaker 1: have never met, the people that don't even know them,
Speaker 1: and it affects them and it deals with their mental
Speaker 1: capacity in some way in a negative way. We kind
Speaker 1: of had that going spags before you got there. I
Speaker 1: always tell people this whole internet thing and and people
Speaker 1: in the locker room thing going crazy and media just
Speaker 1: being a little underhanded. That started to me in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties with Gary Myers. Uh, it was Jim dent
Speaker 1: U Skip Skip Bayliss. The locker room became under siege
Speaker 1: with with with spies and snitches and things of that nature. Uh.
Speaker 1: Jim then hiding around the corner of the locker room
Speaker 1: trying to peek in on on players conversations, private converence, sation,
Speaker 1: Jerry or and all of a sudden, this this whole thing,
Speaker 1: Oh man, Jack, I mean what about the guy hernandez
Speaker 1: on It was on Channel thirty three. It was just
Speaker 1: it was it became this. You remember, you remember that
Speaker 1: I got crazy. So now here we are, you know,
Speaker 1: the Jerry and these guys come up, Jimmy comes up.
Speaker 1: Everything just so blown out. Everything becomes a circus now.
Speaker 1: And we were still that was our internet thing, that
Speaker 1: was our social media stuff going on at that time.
Speaker 1: We were still somehow able to block that stuff out because,
Speaker 1: first of all, you can't give credence to someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. And so
Speaker 1: Vandersh needs to understand that what you hear out there
Speaker 1: is nothing but white noise, you know, don't don't Yes,
Speaker 1: yes people, yes, people are glad. They want to say
Speaker 1: glad that he's gone. They're saying that they didn't think
Speaker 1: he was that good and they left to their opinions,
Speaker 1: and that is great, but you can't let that determine
Speaker 1: what your outlook all is on America's self or your
Speaker 1: all your Cowboys sports fans. These are guys that probably
Speaker 1: not even sports fans, and probably guys they're not probably
Speaker 1: not even American, they probably don't even live here, probably
Speaker 1: sometimes got this all this going on. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. I hate that that hurts
Speaker 1: him like that because he's that's that's his buddy, that's
Speaker 1: his friend. He knows Jayla's has family, and I really
Speaker 1: eympathize with what he's saying and I applaud him for that.
Speaker 1: But man, that's just life in the NFL. And and
Speaker 1: don't all that other stuff that's going on, all that
Speaker 1: media stuff that's going on, not media stuff, but all
Speaker 1: the Internet stuff and the comments and all that. Stay
Speaker 1: away from that. Man, don't even read that crap because
Speaker 1: it has no value to what the Dallas Cowboys are
Speaker 1: doing and to Jayla's life itself. So let me give
Speaker 1: you one example before we have to hit a break
Speaker 1: care of what happens even in the newspaper business. So
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, you guys remember when the Dallas Times
Speaker 1: Herald went out of business and we found out the
Speaker 1: morning of the Cowboys game at Texas Stadium against the Saints,
Speaker 1: and it was basically, this is our last edition. We're
Speaker 1: going out of business. We've been bought out by the
Speaker 1: Dallas Time Morning News. And so basically we did our jobs.
Speaker 1: After the game, we hung out in the locker room
Speaker 1: a little longer than normal just because we didn't know
Speaker 1: what was next in our lives. Right, what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: No place to go, no place to go, and so
Speaker 1: we waited till we waited till Jimmy came out of
Speaker 1: the coaches locker room, right and we didn't know if
Speaker 1: he knew, but he did know. They told him what happened,
Speaker 1: and so he looked at us and he gives us
Speaker 1: this kind of cheapest grin and he goes, well, whatever,
Speaker 1: now you know what coaches feel like when they get fired.
Speaker 1: And he's got some nerves. I know, look and I
Speaker 1: fire the kicker because he has Jimmie's eyes. Come on, man.
Speaker 1: That was his way, that was his way of making
Speaker 1: some common sense out of it like, Okay, it happens
Speaker 1: in other businesses. You lose your job. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like thanks to you you, We'll see it always has such
Speaker 1: a soft heart. Yes, yes, all right we can Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Jalen here as far as it being a quote unquote
Speaker 1: money move, and because what we talked about earlier about
Speaker 1: fifth day of the new year next year, which would
Speaker 1: be in March, his contract would become guaranteed for next year.
Speaker 1: His salary for next year was nine nine point two million,
Speaker 1: all right, the cap charge that the Cowboys oh next
Speaker 1: year on the cap is six point eight million for
Speaker 1: the dead money. For the dead money, and so basically
Speaker 1: you're looking at a difference of two point four million
Speaker 1: dollars right there. So you don't have him and you're
Speaker 1: paying your cap charge six point eight million, whereas and
Speaker 1: so I look at it that way, that that this
Speaker 1: was this was they have better players to play right now,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's how was he playing more
Speaker 1: than a than a money move because you're basically it's
Speaker 1: two point four million dollars difference is all it is.
Speaker 1: And I and I think from their standpoint, chances were
Speaker 1: the way he was playing now that probably wasn't going
Speaker 1: to make the team. Right So, but you know, and
Speaker 1: and and and had he had some sort of surgery,
Speaker 1: like a risk surgery like he had this past year,
Speaker 1: he couldn't pass a physical on the fifth day, then
Speaker 1: you're on the hook for nine point two million instead
Speaker 1: of the six point eight million. And that's where a
Speaker 1: trust factor comes in. Also, by the way, you got
Speaker 1: to cover yourself. So it's a two point four million
Speaker 1: dollars difference exactly. And so when you look at where
Speaker 1: they're trying to go right now, it's two stags. You're
Speaker 1: they don't see themselves getting better defensively with him going forward.
Speaker 1: You know, right right he was hurting them as a defense,
Speaker 1: which you know when they're trying to make moves. And
Speaker 1: now the pressure is on, they see how good they are. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the tough decisions have to be made. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's kind of how it came down. But before
Speaker 1: you got to move on to that, and once again
Speaker 1: I missed a lot of yesterday. Oh so what was
Speaker 1: coach's explanation? What did he even talk about the timeliness
Speaker 1: of it? I mean, I never did hear you, guy.
Speaker 1: It was more that through four games where you see
Speaker 1: this defense is right now after four games, this was
Speaker 1: the time to do it, and what and what our
Speaker 1: and what our system was and it was more of
Speaker 1: a big picture move than that. Dad takes into account
Speaker 1: how the other players are playing, you know, and as
Speaker 1: Mickey said off the top, you're getting Keiana Neil back.
Speaker 1: You want vander esh to play. You know, vander Esch
Speaker 1: had forty snaps last week. Jalen had twenty eight snaps.
Speaker 1: I mean, and here's the other part of it. Even
Speaker 1: here's a guy Jalen who's been a starter, I mean
Speaker 1: even all of last year. He was playing every snap
Speaker 1: on defense. Last year, he's never coming off the field.
Speaker 1: And now even with this game against the Giants, if
Speaker 1: you're making decisions on who's going to play based on
Speaker 1: how they've how they're playing, and how they've earned their snap.
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna play any with the guys that were
Speaker 1: coming back this way with Kean O'Neil knight, with Parsons
Speaker 1: now able to take on the phone play at linebacker
Speaker 1: sixty eight snaps last week. Um and and so then
Speaker 1: you have sort of an awkwardness in your locker room that, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a guy who's been a starter, been a captain,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's now he's not playing at all,
Speaker 1: especially when he's not contributing on special teams. Even he
Speaker 1: can be the best trooper in the world, best team
Speaker 1: guy in the world, but there's still a certain awkwardness
Speaker 1: with that in the locker room. No, no, absolutely, you
Speaker 1: have to know. Yeah, you have to know that with
Speaker 1: his lack of you can see that those snaps were dwindling.
Speaker 1: I like you guys were saying and leading into the
Speaker 1: attitude that you talked about spags on the field. Maybe
Speaker 1: they were like they've been waiting, you know, it's been
Speaker 1: an awkwardness in the waiting because they could see his
Speaker 1: snaps dwindling. They could you know, it's like the uncomfortable
Speaker 1: thing and the big elephant in the room. Hey, Jalen's
Speaker 1: numbers are going down. He's not playing well. They can
Speaker 1: see it on the film itself. His scores were probably
Speaker 1: going down. And once it was finally done, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we could kind of see that coming. And really they
Speaker 1: ridicule it was just yeah, try and they really they
Speaker 1: gave him every opportunity four games where, you know, and
Speaker 1: with Neil out a couple of games, you know, to
Speaker 1: see what you can do in the film, don't life.
Speaker 1: So we move on and let me give you a
Speaker 1: little update on the injuries the Cowboys were dealing with. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: they had what three guys that did not practice. We
Speaker 1: knew about Donovan Wilson not being ready to go. Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott was given the day. He had a little bit
Speaker 1: of a sore knee. He said it got significantly better
Speaker 1: from Monday to Wednesday, but they gave him a day
Speaker 1: and today he was actually out there in pads. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess they're gonna list him as limited, but he did.
Speaker 1: He did a significant amount during the individual drills and
Speaker 1: they said if all that went well, he would get
Speaker 1: into some team. And Amari Cooper was given a day
Speaker 1: yesterday his hamstring and basically he was talking today and
Speaker 1: he was out there in pads, and I would imagine
Speaker 1: maybe limited. He didn't do every snap in team, but
Speaker 1: I bet he did enough. And then Dorin's Armstrong is
Speaker 1: still out, did not practice. Trayvon Diggs wasn't even on
Speaker 1: the injury reports, so whatever that back tightness was must
Speaker 1: have loosened up in two days, so he's good to go.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph working on the cord, so that was good
Speaker 1: to see, as was Cooper and Zeke during the special
Speaker 1: teams h portion of practice. So from an injury stampoint,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're doing pretty good. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell with the Giants. You guys, they had six
Speaker 1: guys that didn't practice yesterday, but it was a walkthrough practice,
Speaker 1: so that was basically an estimation of what might or
Speaker 1: might not happen. But four of those guys were considered
Speaker 1: starters Jabrill Peppers, Sterling Shepherd, Darius Slayton, and actually Andrew
Speaker 1: Thomas and Leonard Williams, so five. So anyway, and what
Speaker 1: I've read about Andrew Thomas, he's coming around. You know,
Speaker 1: he was a fourth pick in the draft last year.
Speaker 1: He was coming around at the end of last year
Speaker 1: blend of last year, and they're really pretty happy. And
Speaker 1: if we want to spend a little time on the Giants,
Speaker 1: I think the guy that's really come around is Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: He obviously played his best game, probably of his career
Speaker 1: against the Saints. And what he did. He completed twenty
Speaker 1: eight of forty passes for four hundred and two yards.
Speaker 1: That was a career high. He averaged ten yards an
Speaker 1: attempt in a quarterback rating of one oh eight point five.
Speaker 1: So uh, that was probably his best game. And then
Speaker 1: because he had a good game, that may meant Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett had a good game as an offensive coordinator, right,
Speaker 1: mister conservative. They were worried that Jason wasn't what flamboyant
Speaker 1: enough would his play calls, uh, and so uh they
Speaker 1: were kind of down on him. But I see in
Speaker 1: that game that, uh, he must have called a screen
Speaker 1: pass to se Quon Barkley that went for fifty four year.
Speaker 1: It was actually it was like like a wheel route,
Speaker 1: wheel side streaking down the sideline. Because they was he
Speaker 1: was getting credit for a screen that he threw. I
Speaker 1: assumed it was that and then there was the fifty
Speaker 1: two yard or to John Ross I believe. Uh, so
Speaker 1: they had some very big plays in that game. Uh
Speaker 1: and uh when you looked at uh Barkley, he had
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six yards from scrimmage against the Saints.
Speaker 1: They totally four hundred and eighty five. They're most since
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen for the Giants. So it looks like they're improving.
Speaker 1: And I think the point is, don't let one in
Speaker 1: three record cloud your opinion of where the Giants are
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, they're they're they're improving at one in three,
Speaker 1: They're they're one in three with a bullet. Isn't that
Speaker 1: how they say? That's that's a good one they I mean,
Speaker 1: they could easily be two and two if a guy
Speaker 1: doesn't jump off sides on a field goal attempt by
Speaker 1: Washington a few weeks ago. And then you can also
Speaker 1: take into account the Atlantic game. They lost on the
Speaker 1: last second field goal in that game too. They had
Speaker 1: a lead in blew it in that game. Um and
Speaker 1: in fact, I think a Dorry Jackson dropped an interception,
Speaker 1: a potential interception that would have sealed the deal in
Speaker 1: that game too. Yeah. Then then the wide receiver missed
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I think it out to touchdown game as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was another one too. And they you know that
Speaker 1: they've improved their wide receiver corps from what they had
Speaker 1: last year. Uh. You know last year they had Sterling
Speaker 1: Shepherd and Darius Slayton. They they're both hurt last week.
Speaker 1: We'll see if they'll be able to play this week
Speaker 1: or not. But they they signed Kenny Golladay in the
Speaker 1: off season. They drafted Kadarius Tony in the first round
Speaker 1: and he had his first game against the Saints where
Speaker 1: he actually had had some really good production. He had
Speaker 1: six catches for seventy eight yards. Uh. And Isaiah Stanback
Speaker 1: did a little segment for the Coaches Show that we
Speaker 1: just did on the telestrator segment with him. He showed
Speaker 1: some of the creativity that Jason Garrett is showing about that. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was a little comeback route on ah. That was
Speaker 1: a very quarterback friendly pass to Kadarius Tony and a
Speaker 1: lot of yards after catch that he illustrates on there.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, when I saw the Giants
Speaker 1: take Tony, I said, oh boy, that's a great pick
Speaker 1: because I watched enough of him at Florida, and boy,
Speaker 1: that guy's no joke. I mean you got to watch
Speaker 1: out for him. And keep in mind what they did
Speaker 1: on that was if you remember, on Draft Day, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: of course, traded with the Eagles, traded down two spots,
Speaker 1: Eagles moved up, took Davante Smith. Giants were picking next,
Speaker 1: and since Davante Smith was off the board, they traded
Speaker 1: back with Chicago. Chicago took Justin Fields and the Giants
Speaker 1: by trading back, picked up another first and they picked
Speaker 1: up Kadarius Tony. And so they probably had their eyes
Speaker 1: on Davante Smith and had Tony ranked right behind him.
Speaker 1: Probably he reminds me a little bit of Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of Seedee Lamb. The their
Speaker 1: ability to run with the football, get it, and that
Speaker 1: combination is not good. But he's smaller, he's smaller than
Speaker 1: that big and he's smaller. This is this is a
Speaker 1: Jordan this is a Jordan Lewis assignment. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and and and maybe a safety over the top two
Speaker 1: by the way, So yeah, they'll have their hands to
Speaker 1: put somebody with the bricks in his pocket on that dude.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jordan has bricks in his pocket,
Speaker 1: you're somebody like what you're talking about, Well, whether you
Speaker 1: need to get go a little bit bigger. Let's let's
Speaker 1: put you jay Ron on it. Let's put no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's a smaller guy. And yeah this because Mickey mentioned CD.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not that big. Yeah, he's not that big,
Speaker 1: but he's he's a he's a good shifty slot guy
Speaker 1: with some moves and and what he was talking about,
Speaker 1: what Mickey's talking about his yards after the catch, the
Speaker 1: ability that CD has to run after the catch so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: time Deebo, Samuel and Samuel too. This guy, this guy
Speaker 1: can scoot, let me tell you so. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: watch out for him. And keep in mind remember last
Speaker 1: year when Garrett came in here and he showed a
Speaker 1: little creativity down on the goal line. I believe it
Speaker 1: was tight end Evan Ingraham on a little tight end
Speaker 1: end a round to score a touchdown the first touchdown
Speaker 1: of the game. I think, and uh, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's funny you bring that up because the sarcastic remark
Speaker 1: I saw in one of the New York area newspaper was, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's getting a little bit more creative than Evan Ingram
Speaker 1: on a tight end to run. But I remember thinking
Speaker 1: of times you can't win, right. I remember thinking that.
Speaker 1: When it happened, I'm like, oh, you can tell Garrett.
Speaker 1: Garrett has fired up about this return home. He wants
Speaker 1: to he hears all this love giving the Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: on his creative play calling and oh, man has got
Speaker 1: to be burning him up. Guys, that's funny that you
Speaker 1: brought that up. Bill. I'm sure like like jee stall
Speaker 1: Is said that just chaps my ass. Saying that with
Speaker 1: that deep drawl of his. Uh you know brand yes, Chaps,
Speaker 1: And you know what the other thing um when we
Speaker 1: were talking about and not to go back to Jalen,
Speaker 1: but one of the other things I think we were
Speaker 1: pointing out without saying, you don't need a progress stopper.
Speaker 1: If he's not going forward, you don't want to stop
Speaker 1: somebody else. And I think the natural reaction from everybody
Speaker 1: was Okay, now we're going to see Jabril Cox. Well
Speaker 1: McCarthy was asked about it. Yeah, And McCarthy was asked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday and he didn't give that a huge endorsement, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, now he's going to get a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of snaps. He basically said, well, yeah, he's getting better. Uh,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's there's a lot of competition to
Speaker 1: get on that forty eight man game day roster, and
Speaker 1: right now he's he's doing a better job on special teams.
Speaker 1: And he kind of left it at that, so there
Speaker 1: was no suggestion that suddenly Jabril Cox is going to
Speaker 1: spring forward and be a starting linebacker. They like Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish and I can't emphasize that enough. I like Layton Vanderish.
Speaker 1: Even when this season started. I said, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know yet what Parsons is going to do, but
Speaker 1: this guy's the best linebacker on the team. And I
Speaker 1: think they finally coming around to that opinion of him.
Speaker 1: That's the irony of what Layton is talking about. And
Speaker 1: he hurts because his friend is no longer on the team,
Speaker 1: But it's actually going to benefit Layton because now he's
Speaker 1: going to have more snaps. And you know, and the
Speaker 1: other thing is from a salary cap standpoint for next year,
Speaker 1: you know, they would like to resign him if they
Speaker 1: could afford him. They would like to resign Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: if they can Reford him. They would like to resign
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory if they can afford him. So you need
Speaker 1: to start looking, as they said, big picture. It's not
Speaker 1: all about the cap now, it's about planning for the
Speaker 1: future too. And if you weren't going to keep him around,
Speaker 1: then there was no sense keeping him around in chance
Speaker 1: in the injury happening that would guarantee the contract next year.
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Speaker 1: Very well done, once again, Mickey Spagnola. Okay, we have
Speaker 1: just about five minutes left here, and how about an
Speaker 1: update on the Lyle Collins situation. As I quit law
Speaker 1: school afterwar one a month because it gave you tired head,
Speaker 1: should be tired head. I cannot follow this and so Bicky,
Speaker 1: would you please? I'm reading as much as I can,
Speaker 1: and it sounds pretty confusing that you know they've had
Speaker 1: an appeal going on. After the appeal was overturned by
Speaker 1: the NFL and ended up what was gonna be a
Speaker 1: two game suspension, they gave him a five game suspension,
Speaker 1: and now they're appealing to try to get him back
Speaker 1: as soon as possible, meaning to try to get back
Speaker 1: for those final two games. So I heard people saying, well,
Speaker 1: what's why go through the trouble. You already served three
Speaker 1: game suspension. You're probably even if they overturn it, you're
Speaker 1: not playing this week. So that's like a four game suspension,
Speaker 1: and then you only got one game left after that,
Speaker 1: and then there's the buy you might not play until
Speaker 1: the next week. Well, here's the bottom line on this thing.
Speaker 1: Not only is he suspended, he is suspended without So
Speaker 1: there's a monetary figure in there that if I can
Speaker 1: get two more games of payback, Uh, then uh you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take that in a five file suit against the NFL,
Speaker 1: which I don't does anybody ever win that? Uh? Then
Speaker 1: maybe I get all five games. And that's what they're after.
Speaker 1: So it's not so much Oh, they're helping out the cowboys.
Speaker 1: They're helping out the bottom line. Uh, And that's what
Speaker 1: this is all about right now. So it's in a
Speaker 1: court case now in Colin County. And the last thing
Speaker 1: I read the judge that was going to hear this
Speaker 1: was the judge that UM overturned the decision of the
Speaker 1: NFL on Ezekiel Elliott in twenty seventeen. I believe it
Speaker 1: was yes, it was amos yes. And then that case
Speaker 1: ended up in some sort of appeals court in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and that and that court ruled in favor of
Speaker 1: the NFL, so his six game suspension withstood. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's what's going on right now in the legal ease world.
Speaker 1: And I understand why Bill left the law for future.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the law profession yet, literally literally, Everson.
Speaker 1: I made it through one month of law school without
Speaker 1: ever getting called on in class, but I do. I
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna happen sooner rather than later, and
Speaker 1: so I better get out while they getting is good.
Speaker 1: And so I went to Lubbock, Texas and became a sportscaster,
Speaker 1: making making in twelve thousand dollars a year. Instead, after
Speaker 1: I retired, uh, I had an opportunity to be a
Speaker 1: you know, a money manager and get into all those
Speaker 1: stocks and all that kind of stuff sounded so sexy.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm back in the nineties, mid nineties, and
Speaker 1: I had all kind of opportunities. They gave me a
Speaker 1: tutor and everything. I know numbers. You know, I'm a
Speaker 1: numbers guy. I think I took this Series six exam,
Speaker 1: it's what they call it. I flunked it twice, Bill,
Speaker 1: I funked it twice. Right, this is not for me.
Speaker 1: This is not for me. Oh, it was such a disappointment.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I said, You know what,
Speaker 1: I think I dodged a bullet there, because I would
Speaker 1: have been way over my head. It happens. I had
Speaker 1: a college roommate that flunked an accounting class twice, and
Speaker 1: he was taking it a third time, right, and it
Speaker 1: was the same professor, And before the final exam the professor,
Speaker 1: the professor called him in and said, look, can you
Speaker 1: just get a D. I'll give you a D and
Speaker 1: you can pass, okay, And I think he passed with
Speaker 1: the D the third time. Man, Sometimes numbers don't make
Speaker 1: sense to people. We all and we know our limitations.
Speaker 1: Speaking of numbers done, do you know how much what
Speaker 1: what is lyles per game? That's what I didn't write down.
Speaker 1: But he's he's I think he's probably lost. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: it's got to be close to one hundred thousand, right,
Speaker 1: it's more. It's gotta be more than that. Two well, okay,
Speaker 1: I called up his called up his now his way salary. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, because I guess he redid his contract or
Speaker 1: it was part of his contract. He's at basically a
Speaker 1: veteran minimum amount one point one million. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: probably already paid part of that, right, Okay. So basically,
Speaker 1: I mean at one point one million, that's like sixty
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a game. So for five games, it's
Speaker 1: like three hundred and ten thousand dollars total, sixty four
Speaker 1: and four. So I mean you divide about eighteen weeks, now,
Speaker 1: don't you? Yeah, eighteen, I did seventeen, so you're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so times four times five five weeks weeks? What did
Speaker 1: you get? It's three hundred ten thousand. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say two weeks. Okay, so you're you're in the ballpark,
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, yeah, so and two more. Now you're
Speaker 1: getting into four hundred thousand, right, Well, I mean no,
Speaker 1: it was sixty per per week. It was sixty thousand
Speaker 1: or so. Oh okay, based on the one point one
Speaker 1: million dollars salary whatever. Yeah, I mean it's significant. He's
Speaker 1: lost that much already. Yeah, and you would two more
Speaker 1: weeks to go. No, No, that total was for a
Speaker 1: five Oh you get five okay, all right, So anyway,
Speaker 1: it's so it was about one hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 1: It is what a or close to one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety thousand he's missed out on right now, right, So
Speaker 1: it's still so funny. He's a guy with that kind
Speaker 1: of talent and he's kind of making like obviously the
Speaker 1: minimum wage. So now, but he already got this signing
Speaker 1: making big money. No, he already made the big money.
Speaker 1: He made the big money. That the way the contract
Speaker 1: for salary cap purposes, the contract is where he's got
Speaker 1: his bonus money and now the week to week he
Speaker 1: makes this. See, sometimes it's very profitable to restructure because
Speaker 1: you get your money ahead of time. Right, Like the
Speaker 1: when did he restructure last year? Maybe? Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was this year, was okay, So it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was last year or it wasn't with this looming
Speaker 1: that Okay, we can maybe we can offset some of
Speaker 1: this loomings been Yeah, well it's been looming since last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there you go. That was added added incentive. You
Speaker 1: go ahead and restructure. Yeah, I mean, I'd like the
Speaker 1: rest of us that have to work for our money
Speaker 1: and then get paid. It's not like you need any
Speaker 1: incentive they're offering. I mean you've already you're getting the money.
Speaker 1: You're just getting it up front now, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: you don't need any more incentive than that. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and take that money up front. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, we're out of time on this sorrow. We're
Speaker 1: going to discuss maybe a little bit more on Dak
Speaker 1: returning to the scene the injury. Hey with the New
Speaker 1: York Giants in town? Who the team he got hurt against?
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be one year almost to the day.
Speaker 1: Three sixty five is tomorrow, right, three Sunday, No Saturday,
Speaker 1: because Sunday or Monday. Sunday would be a year and
Speaker 1: a day right now at Monday would be the anniversary. No,
Speaker 1: it would be on the on the eleventh. But if
Speaker 1: you're counting days, right, sixty four days, three sixty five Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll figure that out by tomorrow at one thirty, last
Speaker 1: Sunday counted for our next edition. And Everson, we will
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow as well. And we missed you yesterday
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