1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Hey y'all. Once again, welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast, 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: presented by Win Las Vegas. I'm Jefferson White, your guide 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: on this journey, this journey into the world of Yellowstone. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm coming to you again from the podcast studio here 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: at WIN Las Vegas. Don't worry. They haven't been holding 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: me hostage. I've actually it's kind of the opposite. I've 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: been camping out here. They've been trying to get rid 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: of me, but I got a sleeping bag in a 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: mini bar. I'm set. I've been here a few times 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: over the last month, and every time I wind up 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: finding a new thing that I love about this place. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: So one of the incredible gifts of working on Yellowstone 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: for me has been getting to learn more about the 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: various cultures and communities that the show represents. I'm new 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: to cattle ranching, as you well know, I'm new to 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: the rodeo world. And I also, I have to say, 17 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: I've been very, very ignorant and naive when it comes 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: to Native American culture and the issues that face contemporary 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Native American culture. I am so so grateful for our 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: next guests today. I am honored to chat with two 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: people that obviously do an incredible job at representing their 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: culture on this show, none other than chairman Thomas Rainwater. 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: That's Gil Birmingham and his badass driver slash bodyguard Mo 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: Brenks Plenty. I'm gonna step aside for a moment and 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: then we're going to dive right in. Okay, amazing. I 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: feel so lucky, so grateful to have with me today 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: Gil Birmingham, who plays Thomas Rainwater. Gil, thank you so 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: Oh, it's a real pleasure to be able to sit 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: here and chat with you, Jeff. 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: I haven't seen you for a while. 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: I know. What a gift. That's one of the amazing 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: One of the most fun things about this podcast has 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: been the opportunity to sit down between seasons when we 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: haven't seen each other for months. But it sounds like 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you've been incredibly busy in the interim. 37 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: I have. 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: I have, I've been I don't think I've traveled more 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: or socialized more since this whole COVID thing went down, 40 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: but of course following all the protocols. But it's nice 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: to be back in the grand us of a. 42 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say you so. Folks at home 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: know you from many roles. Folks at home know you 44 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: from a long career of incredible highlights. Will you just 45 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: take a second, at your own pace, at your own length, 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: just describe everything that brought you up to Yellowstone. 47 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always fascinating for me. I think it happened 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: after I got out of college and I got involved 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: in bodybuilding. I think a lot of fans are pretty 50 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: pretty familiar with that already. But I got scouted into 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: the gym to participate in the music video with Diana Ross, 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: and I loved beyond set and my girlfriend at the 53 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: time said, do you know, why don't you Why don't 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: you start taking classes? And I did, and that's kind 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: of where it started. But I don't know that I 56 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: took it as seriously the craft itself, until I started 57 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: doing projects that were more representational for the Native community, 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: and then I really understood the responsibility of it. So yeah, 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: I've been I've been very blessed with a varied career 60 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: and leading up to Yellowstone, there's well, of course, I 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: encountered Taylor, you know, back in twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: with Hell or High. 63 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: Water, and then he brought me in on wind River. 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: So that relationship started some five years ago, which I 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: feel so so grateful for and very blessed by, and 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: has led itself into Yellowstone. 67 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 68 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: What a gift to work with the same director writer 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: for an extended period of time. I guess it's a 70 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: rare gift. As an actor, you know, you sort of 71 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: jump from project to project. It's a kind of it 72 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: can feel like a sort of freelance mercenary lifestyle, but 73 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity to settle in with a collaborator over time 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: feels like such a rare opportunity. So will you just 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: talk about how you first met Taylor, how you sort 76 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: of what brought about the beginning of the collaboration that 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: had sense matured into into where you find yourself now. 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: Well, it definitely started with hell or high Water, and 79 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: as you were describing, it is really kind of a life, 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: the circus lifestyle, and that project had so many interesting 81 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: elements to it. We had Chris Pine, who only had 82 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: a two week window to film before he went off 83 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: I think to Wonder Wonder Woman, and so it came 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: together so fast, I think within the course of like 85 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: five weeks, and we had to get everything lined up 86 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: and then we shot for five weeks. But but the project, 87 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: you know, really highlighted, you know, even beyond Sacario with Taylor, 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: and that's when I became, uh, you know, I came 89 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: to understand Taylor in the way he writes. And then 90 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: I was so so thrilled to be brought back on 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: Whin River, another incredible project. And yeah, I think most 92 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: of our collaboratings come at a time in filming Yellowstone 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: because we have a little more time we have or 94 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: episodes we have a longer duration, and after four years, 95 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: I think Taylor is just so so specific about the 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: actors that he cast, and he lets them do. 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 3: The work he does. He does a layout, he does 98 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: the writing, and he trusts his actors. 99 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: What I find really interesting about that is that, Yeah, 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: Taylor has a lot of collaborators that he works with 101 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: on project after project, and a lot of those I 102 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: think you're totally right that he sees people's energies and 103 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: he brings in I think he's amazing at casting. Something 104 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: interesting about the roles that you've played for Taylor is 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: they're all quite different. They all sort of fell quite 106 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: different positions in the story. Does that feel true to you? 107 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I think when you're in 108 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: the project, when you're doing it, that's all. That's the 109 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: world you live in. And now that you mentioned it, 110 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: that's that's pretty interesting. They are very different. And I 111 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: think when River scared scared the hell out of me 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: when Taylor called me up about it, and I said, oh, yeah, 113 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: that's that's really incredible writing. I like to do Graham 114 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: the police officer, the tribal police officer, And he said, Nope, 115 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: you're not doing that one. 116 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: You're doing this one. And I think it was because. 117 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: Just the heartbreak of the subject matter and feeling that 118 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: that was the way that I would have to take 119 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: on and and I wanted to represent it in the 120 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: best possible way. And he just had trust, and he 121 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: had more trust in me than. 122 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: I had in me. 123 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: And from that point on, I said, whatever it is 124 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 2: you want Daylor, you think I can do it, then 125 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: I can do it. 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 127 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: I think that's incredible because especially you know the idea 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: of representation. So in Hell or high Water, you played 129 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: a police officer. In wind River, you played a man 130 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: living on a reservation sort of struggling from a sort 131 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: of different part of the socioeconomic spectrum, and then in 132 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: Yellowstone you play somebody on the opposite side of the 133 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: socioeconomic spectrum, somebody who has had, you know, the bin 134 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: fit of wealth and finds themselves in a position of 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: status and authority. I think that's a fascinating It really 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: shows a whole spectrum of experiences. Because you talked earlier 137 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: about feeling a sense of responsibility to tell these stories, 138 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: to tell you know, Native indigenous stories, and those three 139 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: different roles represent three completely different experiences. So will you 140 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the sort of breadth of 141 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: experiences that you've had the opportunity to step into. 142 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a really you have the good questions here, Jeff. 143 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: Oh, thanks, Gil. 144 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: That's what I've heard about you, and now I believe it. Gosh, 145 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. You're so intertwined with the character at 146 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: the time you do it and then you kind of 147 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: release it so to reflect back on it. But you're right, 148 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: and it has so much to do with the dynamics 149 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: of the other actors that you're working with as well. 150 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: Jeff Bridges was incredible. 151 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: You know, Jeremy Renner, which is primarily who I did 152 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: my scenes with, and when River Kevin Costner Happy Birthday, 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: Kevin on Yellowstone. 154 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: So they're all. 155 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: Iconic performers and to bring your own game to it 156 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: and the context of the representation is. 157 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: I don't know what would I say about that. I 158 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: don't know. 159 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: It's it just feels like you have to get to 160 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: the heart, the heart of the character and the connection 161 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: that he has to his people. 162 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: Maybe not so much. 163 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: On Hell or High Water, but definitely when River and 164 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: definitely in Yellowstone. So that's that's a bigger breath in 165 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: terms of the representation. So yeah, I learned something all 166 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: the time. And then dealing with subject matter like we've 167 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: did in season two, I think with the missing and 168 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: murdered Indigenous women, you know, these are powerful subject matters 169 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: to write about and to represent. I just feels like 170 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 2: a responsibility. I guess that's a keyword I would I 171 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: would say I feel about it. 172 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: And that's an interesting synergy between you, the actor, and 173 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: the character because it certainly feels like Thomas Rainwater is 174 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: also bound by a sense of responsibility, by a sense 175 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: of duty to his history, to his people. It really 176 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: feels like the character also carries a tremendous amount of 177 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: responsibility on his shoulders. Do you feel does that make 178 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: does that sort of resonate with your experience of it? 179 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 180 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: And you know, and that's in the context of contemporary 181 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: time where these these corporate forces are coming in and 182 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: and John and Rainwater actually have a similar though not 183 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: identical respect for the land and a purpose for for 184 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: wanting to keep it. It's more of a legacy something 185 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: that that's come down through the family for John. But 186 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: it's really where the power of my people resigne in 187 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: the connection with the land. So that might be the 188 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: only difference, but it's a crucial difference. 189 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's pretty daunting sometimes. 190 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: It's Yeah, and it feels like the character is often 191 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'm always interested where you know, 192 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: the experience of an actor in real life resonates with 193 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: the experience of a character in a project. You know. 194 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: It's like, you can call that a lot of different names, 195 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: people call it a lot of different things. I'm always 196 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: just sort of curious about it because I feel like 197 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: it adds a layer to the performance that like deepens, 198 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: deepens a character. You know, when we look at Rainwater 199 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: and he's experiencing the weight of responsibility, that is deepened 200 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: and enriched by the fact that you the actor are, 201 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: to a certain extent feeling the weight of responsibility that 202 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: you're describing. I'm always just sort of curious about that. 203 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: And it also feels like, you know, as you just 204 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: mentioned Yellowstone, I think in so many interesting ways, kind 205 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: of complicates these archetypal narratives. You know, in the first season, 206 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: there's this you know, just direct kind of setup of 207 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: and you know, an antagonistic relationship between John Dutton and Rainwater. 208 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: In the first season, they're gonna butt heads. You know, 209 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: it's a little that's maybe the most archetypal conflict we 210 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: see is those two sort of butting heads. And then 211 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: it very quickly, season after season starts to get more complicated, 212 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: to get sort of richer and more personal, to get 213 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: less kind of mythic, to get less sort of you know, 214 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: cowboys and Indians clashing it very quickly, as you just described. 215 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes your purposes aligne sometimes you feel a sort of 216 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think over and over again, actually they've 217 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: found themselves allies against other you know, external antagonists. So 218 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: will you talk about because I personally find that the 219 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: relationship between John Dutton and Rainwater is kind of the 220 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: most one of the most complicated relationships on the show 221 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: because it's changed so many times from scene to scene. 222 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has, and from season to season. I think 223 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: the way I see Thomas is that he understands that 224 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: he's not going to be able to outfight John Dutton, 225 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: even though he has these pending forces trying to take 226 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: the land. But culturally speaking, I think I was just 227 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: reading John Trudell was a great Native poet, and it's 228 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: about thinking clearly and coherently using our intelligence. So we 229 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 2: I think Thomas is approaching it in terms of outthinking 230 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: the forces and not to You're not going to have 231 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: the I guess resources to go up against what John 232 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: Dutton has, But we can't make alliances to fight people 233 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: who are really wanting to just corporalize the land, you know, 234 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 2: to monetize it, and neither one of us want that. 235 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: It's pretty fascinating, yeah. 236 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: Because especially over time, you know, Rainwater's arsenal of weapons 237 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: has expanded too, like as the character of Mo deepens 238 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: and you start to sort of learn more about Moe's 239 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: sense of right and wrong, Moe's sort of specific code 240 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: of ethics. You know, we very quickly start to understand 241 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: John Dutton's Thomas Rainwaters early on, and then over time 242 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: we start to also see, Okay, Moe in some ways 243 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: pulls Rainwater one direction. A character like Angela Blue Thunder 244 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: in season three has a completely different sort of approach, 245 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: a different ideology. You know, it really represents this kind 246 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: of full spectrum of tactics and tools for protecting this land, 247 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: for protecting this sense of history. 248 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's quite dramatic, and of course that's all 249 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: laid out from Taylor's writing, but yeah, I would think 250 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: of it in terms of strategizing, is generally what Thomas 251 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: is doing. 252 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got these different chess pieces, and there's certain 253 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: problems you solve with you know, you solved by sending 254 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: in Mo and Moe's gonna grab a guy, black bag him, 255 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: drag him out to the country, you know, pull him 256 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: behind a horse, beat the crap out of him. And 257 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: then it also was I was so excited in season 258 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: three that introduction of Angela Blue Thunder as this kind 259 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 1: of you know, you know, like sort of legal assassin, 260 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: a kind of Beth Dutton style, like sort of courtroom warrior. 261 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I've been so interested in that sort of diversity of 262 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: tactics over time. 263 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most background, you know, being educated in 264 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: the Ivy League schools is where he brings this strategy in, 265 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: this thought of paradigm of understanding how the white man's 266 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: work works, and that's what he's going to use to 267 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: try to reacquire the land. 268 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: So it makes for a lot of different. 269 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: Strategies or thoughts or approaches to how he's going to 270 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: accomplish those things. 271 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I find that. And it also is just like 272 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: I think this is also the great gift of duration, right, 273 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: So as an actor, it's a tremendous gift to get 274 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: to do ten episodes of a television show. Here we are, 275 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, going on, we've done forty. One of the 276 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: gifts of that is that over time, people change, you know, 277 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: people sort of people through experiences, through the passage of time, 278 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: through conflict, you know, like tectonic plates smashing into each other. 279 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: People change. So will you talk a little bit about 280 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: how Rainwater's different at the end of season four than 281 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: he was at the beginning of season one. Maybe he's not, 282 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: but will you talk about you know that that idea. 283 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting because we've kind of incorporated Casey's healing ceremonies, 284 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: and I think that's a very interesting direction for Taylor 285 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: to take. And also because it's such an integral part 286 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: of the Dutton family, So we're having an individual healing 287 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: of a member of the family is very intricate to 288 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: the collective group, and I think that could be a 289 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: real pivotal point for how the expression from Casey comes 290 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: and the way he deals and sees things, and how 291 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: he might be influenced by those healings and the individual 292 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: change that he makes that may be going along with 293 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: the same way that we feel, or that Thomas feels 294 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: that this healing has to come for all of us 295 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: to have this clarity of thinking, to know what to do, 296 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: to know to do the right thing. 297 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: That's so interesting, because yeah, it sometimes feels like Casey 298 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: and Monica are kind of stuck in between two worlds, 299 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, and John Dutton has the way that he, 300 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, heals with Casey or sort of encourages Casey 301 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: to learn and grow in certain ways. But you're totally 302 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: right that this season, and you know, Rainwater has been 303 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: very kind to Casey from the beginning, has sort of 304 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: been an ally to Casey, particularly because I think, you know, 305 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: he sees a sort of whether it's a friend, a 306 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: sort of mentee, or whether it's a strategic sort of opportunity. 307 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: There's things he can say to Casey that he can't 308 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: say to John Dutton that will make their way into 309 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: the family and sort of permeate, you know, permeate outwards. 310 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I hadn't thought about that, like Casey 311 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: as this kind of shared space between John Dutton and Rainwater. 312 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: Casey has this kind of common ground almost. That's a 313 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: fascinating image. 314 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tay too takes going through the you know, 315 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: the boy. 316 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's a really because it also I think 317 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: there is that that question of generational passage and also 318 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: generational trauma, generational sort of wounds that are explored, you know, 319 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: and especially in season four, as we start to see 320 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: flashbacks to Duttons from the past interacting with you know, 321 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: people who were here long before they were when they 322 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: first arrived in Montana, we start to see these kind 323 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: of generational relationships and you're it's, yeah, it's fascinating to 324 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: then project that into the future into Casey, this younger 325 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: generation and Tate even younger than that, and how these 326 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: sort of how conflict changes over time and continues to shift, 327 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: and how these like archetypal forces that clash, how that 328 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: clash continues to be complicated, you know, because yeah, maybe 329 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: in the end capitalism comes along and sweeps off every 330 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: other player on the board to a certain extent, Right, 331 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: you talk about these corporate interests, these billion dollar trust 332 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: funds or whatever it is, coming in and trying to 333 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: just excize everything else. That's a sort of fascinating. The 334 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: nature of the conflict is changed, you know. 335 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know in that healing process too, 336 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: you're connecting both more authentically, I think with the land, 337 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: which is the heart of the individual, of the human 338 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: being itself. So the way you see the world, the 339 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: decisions you make from that point on could it could 340 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: be very drastic. 341 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and rainwater and doesn't have that in common. Right, 342 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: They see the land as they have a responsibility to 343 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: the land, They feel a sense of duty to the land. 344 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: They are stewards. They both see themselves as stewards of 345 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: this land, and that's you know, there is definitely compatibility there. 346 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: And then I think great writing is two people who 347 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: are you know, might agree under certain circumstances finding themselves 348 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: in a kind of mutually exclusive conflict or a conflict 349 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: that starts to feel like a zero sum game. You know, 350 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: they agree about so much, and then there are also 351 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: points where, you know, unfortunately they both can't you know, 352 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: take care of the land in the way that they 353 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: initially desire to. 354 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: You know, well in the corporate world, though, John's not 355 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: going to be able to hold onto that land very 356 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: long anyway. 357 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 358 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the season four I think that is like 359 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: that clock has been ticking since season one, and the 360 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: fuse is really short. In season four, it feels like 361 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: they're just an inch away from the cataclysm of that loss, 362 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: and Rainwater is stuck in this position of trying, it 363 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: feels like, to position himself to continue to be a 364 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: protector of the land even if John Dutton is wiped out. 365 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: You know, you see Rainwater very smartly positioning himself to 366 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: be there no matter what happens to the Dutton ranch, 367 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: you know. 368 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And interesting through the seasons, it's it was sometimes 369 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: alliances with some of the corporate interests we're trying to 370 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: come in, you know, on the smaller scale. 371 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right, you know, And it's exactly as 372 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: you said, it's sort of it's kind of outsmarting everybody, 373 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: playing your enemies against each other for the sake of, 374 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, this tremendous responsibility, this responsibility to the land, 375 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: this a greater responsibility because you know, family is a 376 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: huge theme throughout Yellowstone. There are so many characters who 377 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: are defined by their relationship to family. And then I 378 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: think your character and this whole sort of side of 379 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: the story complicates that idea of family, Like it sort 380 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: of asks some questions about what is you know, what 381 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: is a family. It complicates that idea bed and the 382 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: very simple you know, mother, father, children, because John John 383 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Dutton's idea of family is very literal, and it feels 384 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: like Rainwater's idea of family is much more sort of. 385 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: Holistic, yeah, exactly and spiritual. Yeah. 386 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: And the land as a kind of part of that family, 387 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: or a sort of responsibility to the land as a 388 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: part of the land, I think is fascinating. Yeah, those 389 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: two different ideas of family sort of colliding into each other. Yeah, Gil, 390 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time. It's such 391 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: a joy. I feel like I've been learning from you 392 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: as an actor for a long time because I mean 393 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: I've been a fan of your work for a long time, 394 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: and especially your your collaborations with Taylor since before I 395 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: met you. I loved your work in so thank you 396 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: for taking the time to talk to me about this stuff. 397 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: It's an honor. 398 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: Wow. 399 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: That's very that's very sweeter, Jeff, thank you. And I 400 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: wish we had more time on set. We just don't 401 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: do things together. 402 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: I yeah, fingers crossed. There's gotta be a way well on. 403 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 3: Our off time. But I don't know. 404 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: And maybe it's kind of like when I'm working, you aren't, 405 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: and when you're working, I'm not. 406 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: I think that's right. 407 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: It's these funny little worlds. Sometimes it's a little compartmentalized. Yeah, 408 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: but hopefully down the line. 409 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 3: All right, Well, it was wonderful talking with you. Thank 410 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 3: you so much. 411 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: Thank you too, Gil, talk soon, take care. Thank you 412 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: again so much for being here with us today. I'm 413 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: going to take a breath, and when we come back, 414 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna get right back into it. Okay, folks, Today 415 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: we're talking to Moe brings Plenty, who plays Mo Rainwaters 416 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: Driver on Yellowstone since since the very first episode. 417 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: My dear friend Mo. 418 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. 419 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 4: Mo it's an honor to be here with you, Jeff. 420 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: You've been on the show since the very beginning, since 421 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: episode one on one. So we're looking at four years. 422 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 4: Now, yes, sir, we are, and it's it's quite remarkable 423 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 4: that I'm just I feel so blessed to be part 424 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 4: of such an amazing cast, an excellent show, a well 425 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 4: written show, and I just it's a dream come true. 426 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 4: It really is. 427 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: I feel exactly the same way, man. Another one of 428 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: the huge gifts of a show like this is the 429 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: fact that we've gotten to do it for four years now. 430 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: It means we get to know each other, We get 431 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: to know the people working on the show, we get 432 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: to know the crew working on the show. So you 433 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: and I have known each other now for four years. 434 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: But we'll talk through some of this stuff like it's 435 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: for the first time, just for the sake of everybody 436 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: who hasn't had the honor of knowing you for four years. 437 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: So will you talk for a second just about your background, 438 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: sort of how you grew up, how you came to 439 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: be on Yellowstone. We just talk about that a little bit. 440 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 4: I grew up, I was born and raised on a 441 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 4: Pinergen reservation in South Dakota. I'm traveling enrolled on the 442 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 4: Shine River Reservation, which is also another band or a 443 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 4: subgroup of the Great Lakota Nation. My father is Oglala 444 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 4: from Pine Ridge, and my mother she's Mini Kozu from 445 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 4: the Shining River Reservation. It's still a Kota and so 446 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 4: I grew up going to school rode horses a lot. 447 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: My dream when I was a kid was to be 448 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: I had several dreams. One of them was to be 449 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 4: a world champion bull rider that didn't last long. The 450 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 4: second was to be an Olympic runner. I wanted to 451 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: be another Billy Mills, but of course got into riding bulls, 452 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 4: so he's then hold up for running. But I also 453 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 4: wanted to be a math teacher, which is kind of crazy, 454 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: but I love math, and of course a fighter pilot 455 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 4: for the Marine Corps, which none of those never worked out. 456 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 4: But you know, I kind of live life in the moment, 457 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 4: and my grandfather always told me, when you wake up 458 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 4: in the morning, don't expect anything you should. You should 459 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: just be if you if you live your life with 460 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 4: the expectations, then you're gonna lose your understanding of how 461 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 4: to be grateful for the very first gift you've been given, 462 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 4: and that is life itself. And so I live in 463 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 4: a moment and and doing so it guided me along 464 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: the way. I just went with it. 465 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: You know. 466 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: It's like riding a horse with no reins. You just 467 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 4: hang on and go for the ride and enjoy it, 468 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: you know. And I ended up being on a Yellowstone 469 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: and I and I'm not sure how how it all 470 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: worked out for me to continue to be a reoccurring 471 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 4: character and how the character is now evolving, but I'm 472 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 4: just thankful that it did work God the way it has. 473 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: It's such an incredible gift that the sort of curiosity 474 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: that you're just the ability to sort of stay in 475 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: the moment no matter what that moment brings you, has 476 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: also taught you so many skills. You are such an 477 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: expert horseman. Will you talk about that a little bit, 478 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: Your background with horses, how you started riding, how that 479 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: manifests in your life now, and the work you do 480 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: on your ranch, because you also live on a ten 481 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: thousand acre ranch, will you talk about that a little bit. 482 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 4: Well, the horse thing, how it evolved was I didn't 483 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 4: want to have to walk so far because our closest 484 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 4: neighbor was a mile and a half away, and I 485 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: definitely didn't want to ride my bike on dirt road 486 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 4: because to ride a bike on a dirt road, that 487 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 4: dirt is probably the dust was probably by three four 488 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: inches thick, and so it's like riding through mud all 489 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 4: the time. And so I decided to start riding horses, 490 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 4: and at a very young age. Of course, my father 491 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 4: was instrumental in that. My uncles. One of my uncles 492 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: who was like a father to me. He was honestly 493 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: one of the most famous native saddle bronk riders in 494 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: the nation, and he's made it to the national finals 495 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 4: several times, and he was a huge inspiration in my life. 496 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: That guy was like he was totally like a horse whisper. 497 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 4: I remember one time my cousin and I came home 498 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: from school and there was a horse tied up in 499 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 4: the round pin, and so we flipped a coin to 500 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 4: see who I had to get on his horse first. 501 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: N one day tied up and he said she's pretty salty, 502 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 4: and of course I lost, and so I got on 503 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: horse dumped me in probably three jumps. Lucky there was 504 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: no duct tape around. And the second guy, my cousin, 505 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 4: he got on and he came off from my uncle. 506 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: He was pretty upset that we both got bucked off 507 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: with on a three legged horse, and so he dropped 508 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: the leg down, took the rope off, and he jumped 509 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: on that horse and he said, all right, opened up 510 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: the gate, and he took that horse out and he 511 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: was gone for hours, and he came back and did 512 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 4: she's good to go. And so I will never forget 513 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: that moment when the sun was already down, there was 514 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: a little bit of light left, and here he'd come 515 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 4: riding back and that horse looked like that horse. I mean, 516 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 4: it just looked like it's been ridden for years. And 517 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 4: so just the connection that he had with horses, it 518 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 4: made me think more and more about our culture and 519 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: what type of instrument or what role the horses played 520 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 4: within our culture. Because our culture we didn't we didn't create, 521 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: we didn't self create our cultural identity. There were many 522 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: aspects of nature that gave us a part of themselves, 523 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: that gave us our identity, and horses played a role 524 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: in that. And we've always had horses in the country, 525 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: you long before the Spanish brought theirs. And so to 526 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: revitalize and reconnect with the old way of the relationships 527 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: that that the horse had with our ancestors was what's 528 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: so important to me. You know, in fact, we have 529 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: a we have a direct descendant a horse that is 530 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 4: a direct descendant from City Bulls original herd of horses. 531 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: They are called the horses today. 532 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: And so. 533 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 4: The moment that I rode him, I wept. I'm not 534 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 4: gonna lie. I shed tears. I wept because I felt, 535 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 4: for the first time of my life, I felt like 536 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 4: there was a huge void that was now finally filled up, 537 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: you know, and it made me realize that his ancestors 538 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 4: carried my ancestors, and we were torn hard and now 539 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 4: here we are back together. 540 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. That's an incredible image. 541 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: And you talk about it's kind of two different types 542 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: of heritage, right, there's big picture heritage. There's generations and 543 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: generations of culture that you've learned and you're an expert in. 544 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: And then you also talk about you know, your father, 545 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: your uncle's people, individuals who pass those lessons onto you. 546 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: So on the show, you know, how does that play 547 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: into your character and Moe's role on the show. You know, 548 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: Moe's role as one of Rainwater's sort of advisors and 549 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: trusted officials. How do you carry that tradition and that 550 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: heritage onto the show. 551 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's honestly just every bit of my own 552 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 4: experiences in life, you know, to try to maintain because 553 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 4: we are The relationship that Rainwater and mo has on 554 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 4: the show is very much many relationships that we have 555 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 4: in real life. There's a lot of people that were 556 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 4: removed from the reservations during the during the relocation program, 557 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 4: and whether it's the individuals themselves or their children or 558 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 4: their grandchildren that are now trying to find their way 559 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 4: back home and understand the struggles that they go through, 560 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 4: are the questions, the many questions that they have. We 561 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 4: want to be always, we always want to be available 562 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 4: for them, to be there to assist them and show them, 563 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 4: not guiding them, but show them the direction of where 564 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 4: they're going to find their answers, you know. And so 565 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 4: I bring that element of real life experiences onto the 566 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: show and I imply it to that particular character and 567 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 4: and like I said, to help build that relationship between 568 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 4: Rainwater and Moan, you know, to always be there to 569 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 4: have loyalty and also that compassion that we almost have 570 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 4: for especially for our relatives who've been removed. 571 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: I think it's such an amazing that that's sort of 572 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, is carrying your own personal experience 573 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: and also this tradition and this heritage that you carry 574 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: with you onto the show. And I feel like, truly 575 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: from the first frame of the show that you appeared in, 576 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: Moe had such complexity and so much depth and history, 577 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: and the sort of presence that you carry with you 578 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: even when you're not speaking in a scene, even when 579 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: you're sort of a kind of silent counselor the looks 580 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: that rainwater gives to you, and sort of how much 581 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: you say without saying anything is such an incredible gift. 582 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: I also think it's amazing you've. 583 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: Learned so much. 584 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: You're such an expert in your own culture and your 585 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: own heritage, but you're also such an incredible learner. You 586 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: and I we spend some time together cutting, you know, 587 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: doing cutting, which was something that was relatively new to you, right, Like, 588 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: how much cutting have you done in your life? 589 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: Not much? Not much? 590 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: And what's amazing to me is that you can at 591 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: both you can at the same time be such an 592 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: expert have done this. It carries so much wisdom and 593 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: knowledge with you and also be so open to new experiences, 594 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: be so open to learning new things. So is there 595 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: anything on Yellowstone that the process of working on Yellowstone 596 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: has taught you, or anything that you're particularly interested in 597 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: diving deeper into that you've learned about over the course 598 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: of the show. 599 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: You know, there's many aspects to the show that has 600 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 4: intrigued me. And I would say I love watching the crew. 601 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 4: Every every department within the crew is so important, and 602 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 4: you see all these moving parts, how they're able to function. 603 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 4: It's like watching a herd of buffalo move and every 604 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 4: single one of them are important. And I look at 605 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 4: the camera work and how they set up shots, and 606 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: I look at just not what Taylor has written, but 607 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 4: what he also has visualized and through a little screen, 608 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 4: and how he's able to allow us and give us 609 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 4: the room and of the space to bring to life 610 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: what he has put down laid down on a piece 611 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 4: of paper. And so I'm I would love to be 612 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 4: able to just sit for a whole season behind him 613 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 4: and watch how every single one of them that direct 614 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 4: you know rather it's Stephen k I mean all of them, 615 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 4: and just watch it. That's so amazing to be able 616 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 4: to capture a spirit into a lens through great camera work, 617 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 4: and to be able to direct not even just I mean, 618 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 4: I just look every aspect of it is so amazing 619 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 4: to me, and it just intrigued, All of it intriguing, 620 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 4: and I'm always open to learning. You can never you 621 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: can never allow yourself to think that you're a professional 622 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 4: at anything. For me, And so I see myself as 623 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 4: like this sponge that I'm just always hunger for knowledge, 624 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 4: and it don't matter. It's not just about my people's tradition, 625 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 4: but I'm I hunger for the knowledge of the society 626 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 4: as well. So I but know how to be able 627 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 4: to coexist and a compassionate and a loving way, and 628 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 4: a respectful way, and respectful to my culture, respectful to society, 629 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 4: to all people, and so to When I'm on a set, 630 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 4: I see how everything moves, and we're all in this 631 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 4: together at the end of the day, we all play 632 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 4: an important role. And so I'm just I love I 633 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 4: love being there, I love watching everyone work. I love 634 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 4: how you work. I mean, in fact, we was just 635 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 4: talking the other day. It's Sarah and they found a 636 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 4: calf that was it was poor and rain, it was cold, 637 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 4: and and they found this calf, and she remembered that 638 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 4: scene where you went back and you was you was 639 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 4: saving this calf. So we had a good guy s 640 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 4: little laugh about that. You know, Jimmy saved the calf. 641 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, except you guys did it for real and 642 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: a team of experts propped me up on a horse. 643 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: That was one of the funniest days, MO, because that 644 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: was the only time I've ever seen the stunt team nervous. 645 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: The only time I've ever seen those guys nervous was 646 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: when they had to let go of the calf and 647 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: walk away from me very slowly. I was looking at 648 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: them like, guys, I if you're worried, I'm worried, well 649 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: then I'm so. It's funny because you that quality you 650 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: describe of being a sponge, you know, of being o 651 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: been to learning and sort of observing and picking up 652 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: things from There's so much on films on a film 653 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: set that's about trust, that's about trusting everyone else to 654 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,479 Speaker 1: do their job, sort of putting faith in everyone else 655 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: and sort of being able to then focus on your 656 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: own responsibilities without trying to micro manage everybody else. And 657 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: you're somebody who I have learned so much from in 658 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: so many ways, often just from watching you, because I 659 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: learned how to ride for Yellowstone. You know, I had 660 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: never touched a horse in my life before Season one 661 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: a Yellowstone, And you're somebody who, from the very beginning 662 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: sort of watching you ride has taught me so many 663 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: little things, kind of unspoken things, you know, because you're 664 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: such an expert in both the kind of spoken understanding 665 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: of this stuff, but also just the little things like 666 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: watching you ride has been such a sort of masterclass 667 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: in the unspoken rules and tricks to riding, which is relaxing, 668 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: going with the flow, even the way you describe living 669 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: your life, you know, going with the flow and living 670 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: in the moment. When I first started writing, I was 671 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: so tense. I was trying to do things right. I 672 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 1: was so sort of caught up in where my hands 673 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: were supposed to go and like doing it exactly the 674 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: right way. And I've been learning from you for four 675 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: years now how to chill out, how to relax a 676 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: little bit, have fun, how to sort of stay in 677 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: the moment and have fun because you sort of you 678 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: also have such a sort of breadth of knowledge on 679 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: so many different subjects. I think a lot of what 680 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: people respond to with Yellowstone is the feeling of authenticity, 681 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: you know, this this feeling that it's a world that 682 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: is really lived in. And you're somebody who brings so 683 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: much natural, easy authenticity to the show, but across so 684 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: many different fields, because you also have experienced in rodeo. 685 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: So will you talk a little bit about your your 686 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: history bull riding, bronc riding. 687 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, I wanted to one of my uncles. 688 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 4: He yet my dad's brother, older brother. He used to 689 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 4: ride saddle wrong courses and of course he lost his 690 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 4: life while competing. Of course came over backwards on him. 691 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 4: And and there's no one else in our family that 692 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 4: that wanted to take that next step in that realm. 693 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 4: And I think I was just crazy enough to be 694 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 4: the one to say, you know, I'll do it, and 695 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 4: and so I write, I wrote bare back courses, and 696 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 4: I tried saddle wrong, but I was horrible because of 697 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 4: my thought process of everything. I was so scared and 698 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 4: nervous of it. And I rode bulls and and then 699 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 4: eventually I got scared of the bare back courses as well, 700 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 4: and I just decided to stick right with riding bulls, 701 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 4: they weren't scary for me. But outside of that, yeah, 702 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 4: you can get a horse we can't get. If we 703 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 4: can't get a settle on it, I'll get on it. 704 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 4: I didn't care when I was younger, when I was 705 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 4: a kid, if we didn't get a rope on the halt, 706 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 4: get a halter on the horse, I'll jump on that 707 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 4: horse forair back. I didn't care. But when it came 708 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 4: to rodeos, because those horses are bred differently and they 709 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 4: know their job. Where a ranch horse or or a 710 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 4: horse on a reservation, it's different, you know. And so 711 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 4: some of them bucked pretty good, and some of them 712 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 4: bucked extremely hard, and some of them really didn't buck 713 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 4: at all. And so I was just crazy. I was 714 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 4: just crazy enough to do whatever. I even rode a 715 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 4: buffalo once, and I couldn't believe I did myself after it. 716 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 4: But before that, my cousins they said, oh, you're too 717 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 4: scared to do it, and I was like, no, let's 718 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 4: do it. And so I jumped on and I held on. 719 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 4: I had a death grip. I think my toenails grew 720 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 4: real fast too, and I latched on my toenails like 721 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 4: a cat, and the buffalo stopped and it starts shaking, 722 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 4: and I I started shaking because I didn't know how 723 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 4: I was going to get off, because I know they're 724 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 4: super fast. But I jumped off anyway, and I took 725 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 4: off running, and it just stood there and watched me, 726 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 4: and I was like, thank you for not chasing me. 727 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 4: So I could say I wrote a buffalo once, but 728 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 4: I wouldn't really, honestly, Jefferson, I wouldn't really consider myself 729 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 4: an expert at many things, just for the fact that 730 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 4: what I've learned it came from people who were honestly 731 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 4: out of this world for me, even like Cole Paul Ferman, 732 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 4: who's one of the Wranglers. He's a good friend of mine. 733 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 4: I consider him a brother. And I watch that guy 734 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 4: right too, and I'm like you, I watch everyone right, 735 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 4: and I'm still learning things still. I'm always a student. 736 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 4: I always want to be a student. The day I 737 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 4: stopped being a student is the day that life's done 738 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 4: and over with, I'm sure, but I don't ever want 739 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 4: to see that yet. I'm always going to remain being 740 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 4: a student. So for me, I just I pick up 741 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 4: I pick up things by being a sponge. I'm able 742 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 4: to pick up things and I'll fight something. Some things 743 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 4: work and some things don't. There was some things that 744 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 4: my uncle did that were absolutely amazing, and I tried it. 745 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,919 Speaker 4: It didn't work for me. And there were some things 746 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 4: that he did do that did work for me and 747 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 4: I and I held on to those things. And so 748 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 4: there's one thing that my grandfather he did teach me. 749 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 4: He said that when you work with a horse, never 750 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 4: never see what you can make that horse do your 751 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 4: whole your whole day should be spent on seeing what 752 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 4: you can both accomplish together. And and so I try 753 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 4: to carry that mentality with everything that I but that 754 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 4: I do. You know, I want to see what we 755 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 4: can accomplish together. 756 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're coming to the end 757 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: of our time here. Is there anything else you'd like 758 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: to say, anybody else you'd like to shout out? 759 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 3: Man? 760 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 4: Just you know, it's always good to see you. It's 761 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 4: good to always see you. Guys have family members, I 762 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 4: mean really, you know, we're just one big family. And 763 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to getting back at it. I'm totally 764 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 4: excited for this new season to come out. I know 765 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 4: all my neighbors are pretty amped up for November seventh, 766 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 4: and but anyway, it's just man, I just want to 767 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 4: say thank you, thank you for including me and taking 768 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 4: the time to allow me to be a part of 769 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 4: you know, your new adventure. And I'm looking at good 770 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 4: luck to you. I know it's not you don't need 771 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 4: it because you you're so talented. 772 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: Jim. 773 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 3: Thanks mo. 774 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man. 775 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time to do this, and 776 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of adventures ahead of us. I'm 777 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: really excited you man. 778 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 4: And I always ruggle with that too, Jefferson. I was like, Jimmy, 779 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 4: I mean, Jefferson, no one has that problem with me 780 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 4: because I'm mold exactly. 781 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: That makes it easy. 782 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 4: That makes it easy. So man, keep up the great 783 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 4: work you're you are. It's good you're sharing your talent 784 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 4: with the world. You got to great gift there. 785 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: Thanks brother, Take care of the rest and I'll see 786 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: you really soon. 787 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, Yeah, sounds good, brother, We'll be in time. 788 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 4: Here's me take care by now. 789 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for tuning in. I obviously 790 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: would not be able to do this without you. If 791 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be in this big, 792 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,439 Speaker 1: beautiful podcast studio in the Win, Las Vegas. So thank 793 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in. It really it means 794 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: the world to me. We drop new episodes every Thursday, 795 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: so make sure to subscribe and tune in to the 796 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get 797 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: your podcasts. The Official Yellowstone Podcast is hosted by me 798 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: Jefferson White and produced by One on one Podcast Studios 799 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: in Paramount Network