WEBVTT - Let’s Talk Friendship…with Rose McGowan 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:07.920 This is let's be clear, it's Shannon Doherty. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:08.959 Hi. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:14.120 I'm Rose McGowan, and I am here standing sitting with 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:19.160 my dog Perlita little Pearl for our dear departed, lovely, 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.200 amazing human, the Bravest, Bravest champion. I've known Shannon Doherty 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.159 and it's a real pleasure and an honor to be 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.440 able to do this. Her legion of fans worldwide, the 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:36.320 outpouring of love and affection and from her family and 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.440 friends and just and from strangers worldwide, has been magnificent 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.320 to behold. I feel Shannon around, I feel her energy 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.279 very strongly, and I think this would be a real 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.400 good thing for her to know that we're continuing on 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.840 in the bravery that she showed in telling her truth 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.160 and telling her story and getting to talk about things 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.760 she wanted to express. You know, there's something when you're 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.440 an actor and a performer, you get the lines that 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.319 are given to you, and that's what you talk about, 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.399 and that's what you say. And for me when I 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.080 wrote my book Brave, and for her when she did 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.520 this podcast, you know, that's when you get to speak 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.280 on your own terms. It's it's a very powerful thing 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.759 because imagine you go to work and your lines, everything 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.760 that you were going to say for yourself in your 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.600 own day and your own life, coming out of your 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:32.319 own mouth. Your thoughts are replaced by other thoughts, by 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.360 other voices, by a committee of voices, and that's who 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.800 you get to be, and that's who the world knows 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.000 you as. And a lot of times we can be 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.120 painted into a corner and we become this caricature, this 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.680 kind of false identity, and you kind of can't get 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.040 out from under a b you know, it's something that 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.720 traps you. I know what that's like, and I know 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.480 Shannon definitely knew what that was like as well. And 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.240 we both kind of were trapped and painted into these 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.280 corners until we kind of took a hold of our 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.520 own power and unpainted ourselves. There's always backlash that tries 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.760 to put you back in that corner, the false corner, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.799 I call it. But it's been a real amazing thing 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.720 to watch and to know how many people she helped. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.760 I first met Shannon when I did a cameo with 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.120 her in a movie called Nowhere. I had been discovered 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.919 maybe ten months before this in Hollywood, standing against a gym, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.360 crying because my boyfriend had died and a woman came 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.520 up to me. And two weeks later, I'm starring in 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.920 this crazy movie called The Doom Generation, and the director, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.120 Gregor Rocky was doing his next feature, a movie called Nowhere, 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.079 and he called and he's like, it's Shannon Doherty and 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.680 Tracy Lords, who'd been in a John Waters film at 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.280 that point. And I had known Shannon, like so many 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.440 others from Little House in the Prairie a few episodes 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.640 when I arrived in the US. I watched those and 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.040 loved them, and her role as Jenny was just so 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.120 amazing the fact that I can remember it all these 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.040 years later, and I don't remember almost anything else from 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.640 that show, just her, It's pretty special. And then of 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.440 course Beverly Hills nine o two on. Oh. And it's 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.880 funny because I was actually living in la for a 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.840 while at that point. I was around fifteen and a half, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.080 and weirdly, because my life is a little strange and 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.880 hasn't followed kind of the normal path of most people's trajectory, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.840 I was living on my own in an apartment, and 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.600 I had been emancipated from my parents and was completely 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.520 on my own, and I loved watching nine to two 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.120 and Oh, because it felt like there was this family, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.720 this very loving family, while they're navigating this kind of wonky, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.800 weird city, this weird reality that is Beverly Hills, that 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.200 is Los Angeles. And I was kind of on a 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.400 different side of Los Angeles, not the Beverly Hills side, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.280 but it was still very like everybody else in the 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.720 world at that moment watching that show, you know. And 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.680 so the day I met Shannon, it's a very unique day. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:12.720 We were dressed, I. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.159 Don't know how to explain it in a completely ridiculous way. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.799 I was orange, I believe she was blue or red, 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.159 I can't remember. And our hair was teased out giant. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:31.760 We had braces on these crinoline kind of Cindy lapper skirts, 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.240 you could say. They're kind of big and puffy. And 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.120 there was the three of us and we had giant, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.240 giant hair, and we're talking like valley girls, like, oh 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:40.560 my god, did you see Eileen? 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.440 I hear she lives in Whittier. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.240 And which is a I guess a suburb of Los Angeles. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.920 And we were on a main street in Los Angeles 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.760 and they'd block some of it off for traffic, but 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.120 of course we looked so strange. The first thing I 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.479 really remember about being next to Shannon is that we 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.719 caused a three car pile up, a giant automobile crash, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.560 like three cars like they stacked on top of each 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.560 other and had steam coming out of them, and we 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.600 were just quite the sight to behold. So, I mean, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.599 I should have known then that our relationship started with 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.680 a giant crash, that we were meant to be and 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.320 destined to be intertwined for most of our lives, for 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.800 the bulk of our adult lives, as it turned out. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:30.560 How strange, right, And that day Shannon was in a mood. Recently, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.680 the last time I was wish Hannon, she actually told 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.440 me about that day and what had gone on. That 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:45.040 somebody around us had called her then boyfriend and lied 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:50.839 and said Shannon was kissing a crew member or something 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.840 weird like that, and her and her then boyfriend, I'm 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.080 not sure who it was at that time that you know, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.479 there weren't cell phone so it wasn't like you were 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.120 texting back and forth blowing up each other's phones, you know, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.920 denying something. And she was in a mood. She was 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.679 furious and there's just a very strange energy. And I 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.240 remember at the end of that day, I mean, she 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.159 invited me to sit in her car, her Mercedes with 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.320 her for lunch. I sat there with her for lunch 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.000 and she was just raging and I didn't kind of 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.479 understand what she was talking about. And it's amazing that 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.960 all these years later I finally got to understand and 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:36.880 understand that she was justified anger, definitely justified. Being lied 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.159 about at any stage and accused of something you haven't 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:46.440 done is rough, you know. So I think it actually 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:51.800 really impacted her relationship with that man she was with, unfortunately. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.600 And that's the first time I met Shannon. But at 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.080 the same time, I remember her laughing, and I remember 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.440 her professionalism and they also I remember leaving there and thinking, like, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.680 whoa if, I I don't think I want to be 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.279 an actor, I don't think I want a part of 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.400 this world's I don't think this world. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:10.560 Is for me. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.800 And then I did a movie called Scream and then 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.320 that hit and I kind. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:17.240 Of got stuck in that world. 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.360 Yeah, so that's how I knew her before I joined Charmed. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:26.800 And the thing is that was it's a very unique time. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.400 There was not a lot of crossover between film and 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:34.720 television then, and I was on a very unique trajectory. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.480 I'd had four movies at sun Dance, the most anybody 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.120 had in competition there at any time when something very 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.920 bad happened to me, and it was a setup and 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.080 the whole thing down the line from a ten am 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.240 breakfast meeting with my boss. I was in the middle 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.520 of my second film for this company, his company, and 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.080 I had to go back and finish filming that movie, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.840 and from the outset, I was not okay with what 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.480 had happened to me, and I fought it, and you know, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.320 words spread like wildfire in town. I refused to sign 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.360 a non disclosure. I didn't know what that was, but 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.040 when it was explained to me, I was like, wait, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.720 so I can't talk to a therapist. I had this 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.000 idea that if I went to six months of therapy, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.480 I could then be fixed and I could. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.040 Be back to who I was before. And that's not 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:29.760 how it turns out. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.080 That was just kind of a young mind approach to trauma, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.000 and I didn't really understand kind of the levels of 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.440 what would happen to me at that point, and I 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.480 just I felt very lost and from I'd had about 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.640 four movies lined up to do that year, probably would 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.440 have made around like seven million dollars or something like that, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:54.480 and they all fell apart and I got cast in 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:59.360 a show called Charmed. Now I'd known that Shannon was 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.960 on this show, but I never watched the show. I 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.920 didn't I didn't really watch TV. I was working. I 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.920 was just doing movie after movie after movie at that 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.680 point until you know, kind of the breaks slammed and 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.920 from then on we were like really pitted against each 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.160 other in the media. And it also wasn't until recently 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:25.000 that I understood kind of the backstory of her even 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:31.319 leaving there, because when I got there, it was it's 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.800 kind of, you know, like what Hollywood does. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:37.679 I call Hollywood a cult. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.760 I called it that in my book Brave, and it 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.240 compares the kind of the sect, the group that I 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.559 grew up in behind walls, to the cult of Hollywood 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.360 and how how cults work in general. It was not 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.440 about sexual harassment or assault or anything like that. It 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.280 was It's an idea book and bravery and the bravery 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:04.640 it takes to live of under under a lie that's 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.200 manufactured about you. And that's something that I know, Shannon deeply, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.319 deeply understood I. However, at the time I joined charm 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.199 did not understand kind. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:15.760 Of the backstory. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:21.600 I was just told she was fired and nobody talked 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.240 about her, which is what happens in cults. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:24.640 They memory hold you. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.439 That's a term for just kind of blanking people's memory, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:33.600 and they don't mention the person they're kind of they kind. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:34.480 Of ceased to exist. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.920 And I was just trying to keep my head above 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.640 water at that point. I was very famous at that point, 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.720 but I was persona non grata, non hirable. But I 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.520 was famous and caused disruptions everywhere I went. And I know, again, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.880 this is kind of something that Shannon we later talked 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:58.040 about that she related to, you know, the weight of 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.920 what it's like to be to have the media machine 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.520 lie about you. She was vulnerable on that show. She 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.360 was vulnerable knowing what I know now, you know, knowing 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.360 that she had left nine oh two and zero in 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.880 kind of a cataclysmic way, and then when she joined Charmed, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.640 I didn't really understand her passion for I didn't know 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.600 anything really about the show at all. So for me, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.480 it was just perceived by the public as a very 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.319 strange move. Why would someone in movies, why would they 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.200 go do a TV show? And I couldn't explain, Well, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.240 I'm famous and I can't get any other job, and 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.920 it looks interesting, and you know how it happened for me. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.360 And I've told this story, you know, on stage with Shannon. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.240 What a gift to be able to spend that last 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.960 year and a half with her, really really amazing gift. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.760 But the story I told is I was in Romania 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:57.160 doing a movie and I get a call and it's 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.880 a producer named Aaron Spelling, and I hang up because 0:11:59.920 --> 0:12:00.400 I didn't know. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.199 I was like, why would Aaron Spelling be calling Romania? Haha? 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.560 Click, And I had this little voice like Rose McGowan, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.080 would you like to join, you know, the cast of 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.200 Charmed on a show? And I was like, I didn't 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.600 really know what he was talking about, but I was 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.240 open to meeting him. So I am on a plane 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.880 home to Los Angeles. I'm like, okay, Universe, give me 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.240 a sign if I meant to be doing this. And 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:28.200 the weirdest thing is from never before and never since 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.440 have I ever seen Charmed on any airplane offered as 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.440 the entertainment on a flight and I was going from 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.480 a Romania to Los Angeles, and the pilot episode of 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:45.920 Charmed was the entertainment offering so strange, and it looked 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.840 cool and moody and dark and unique, and the acting 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:56.160 was really strong, And I said, yes, I didn't really 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.560 understand what it would entail. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:58.840 I didn't realize that. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.640 I mean, I'd still be here talking about it all 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.840 these years later, that there'd be legions of legacy fans 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.240 and new fans, and how interwoven we would be in 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:13.800 people's lives. And I think Shannon definitely did understand all 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.560 of that. She definitely understood the power of the medium 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.320 of television in a way that I had not. And 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.840 when I got there, it was just strange. And I 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.280 was told over and over and over, no show survives 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.959 a major cast change. You only have like two hundred 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:36.559 and something jobs on the line, and far more behind 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.800 the scenes of people you can't see in administration. But 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.920 no worries if everybody loses their jobs because you joining 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:43.920 it's going to tank the show. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.160 Don't worry. It's not your fault. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:46.959 And that was said to me that I was going 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.120 to fail over and over, and so I just kind 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.880 of refused to fail. And I also knew that I 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.080 was in a very vulnerable position. The thing in Hollywood 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.240 is if you got fired as a woman from a job, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:04.200 you didn't get a second chance. So it was already, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.360 you know, a miracle that Shannon was there in the 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.760 first place, and I think that's certainly what made her 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:13.920 vulnerable to kind of the operation behind the scenes that 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.760 took her out to be blunt. That's what made her 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.920 vulnerable to that, and that person knew it and that 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.640 group knew it, and that was that was she was 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.040 preyed upon in that way. And I don't think there's 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.680 anything wrong with someone wanting things to be better, and 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.160 that's kind of you know, they made it sound like 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.080 she was difficult. Shannon was good. She was really good. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.960 She was a damn fine actress and director. She really 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.480 cared about what she was putting out there, as did I. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:48.240 But I was in a different way joining I knew 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.880 I had no pull, and it was just very weird 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.000 on the set kind of from from the get go. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.320 It was just very different universe from movies where it 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.680 might turn out badly, but everybody's all in it. There's 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.200 there's artists, there were artists there, you know, there was 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:08.360 and for me, I felt the business around the show, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.360 the business people. It felt kind of like I could 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.440 be working at a pencil factory in Ohio churning out 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.280 things at a high volume, which was just kind of 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.960 a shock to my system. And at the time, granted, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.280 they'd been on the air for quite a few years 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.240 when I joined, so it was a pretty well oiled machine. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.800 They knew what they were doing. And yeah, I mean, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:34.600 I imagine now with hindsight, it was so strange for everybody involved, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.320 everybody there, not just me and not just Shannon, And 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.800 looking back at it, you know, from the get go, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.920 every question was like, do you think Shannon Doherty hates you? 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.080 Do you think she's jealous of you? Do you think? 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:51.760 Do you think? Do you think? Do you think? What 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.200 do you think? And I refused to take the bait. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:54.880 I did not. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.600 They wanted me kind of to continue or start a 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.720 war with her, and I just was like, absolutely not, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.880 I will absolutely not do this. And to her credit, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.640 she absolutely did not do that either. And that's been 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:07.520 something that's. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:10.200 A real world. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:14.680 Class character about her, you know. And the thing is 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.680 both of us have been I just put this exactly, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.600 but I would say they use the term parasited. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.480 It's not a word. But when a. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:29.920 Parasite attached to the host body, they steal their creativity, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:35.640 they steal their work, they steal their joy, they steal 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.480 their nutrients, their food, their their food supply. And that's 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.080 what a parasite does to a human body. And sometimes 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.200 I think there are parasites in human skin, and they 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.040 wear human skin. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.080 And you know, we both. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.080 In this life and on that show and around it, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:52.920 and since. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:55.600 Had a parasite attached to. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:10.600 Us, I didn't understand a lot of what happened with 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.760 her in a way that I kind of wanted to 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.879 not know, because that way I couldn't I would not 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.440 be lying in any interviews and I wouldn't have to 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.960 have any feeling about it. But looking back, I mean, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:27.359 putting myself in her shoes, how devastating, how devastating, and 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.199 how dare someone say? You know, if I, honestly, if 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.520 I hear a parasite say hurt people, hurt people as 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.119 an excuse for their crap behavior one more time, I 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.960 will actually scream and light the world on fire. I 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:44.119 think on Shannon's behalf and maybe my own two and 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.280 quite a few people who've experienced this. You know, there's 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.639 a narcissistic quality to parasites. They want what they want, 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.040 they take what they take, and they feel that they're 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.960 owed that, and they know that they're not the real talents, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.600 that they are not the true ones, but they can 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.960 feed off other talent. And and I know that that 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.040 that's that's what was done to her and later on 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.600 done to me. And I think it is one hundred 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.719 percent valid knowing you have a ticking clock. We all 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.800 have ticking clocks, but Shannon really knew she had a 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.040 ticking clock on her to to want to talk about 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.480 this and to set the record straight for herself, because 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.320 it gets exhausting being lied about, and when you're led 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:26.080 about on that scale, as I have personally experienced. You know, 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.560 in my case, a very very evil, evil predator that 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.439 a lot of people seem to be okay with, I 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.440 just was not okay with this. Bought a medium machine, 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.000 bought journalists off all over the world. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:41.320 This is fact. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.240 This has been put in a journalist ron in Pharaoh's 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.560 book and the New York Times book. Bought journalists contracts 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.040 and said, you know, go after this person if you 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.080 ever see them, I'll buy your I'll buy your story 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.119 and turn it into a movie, and in trade, you 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.679 need to character assassinate this person. So I'm just saying 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.679 I've I had for me. It was twenty something, two 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.000 and a half decades of stalking at the highest level 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.960 and ruining my good name to a point where I 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.000 couldn't fight. And Shannon knew that too. But what we 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.639 both did and what I admired the hell out about her, 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.720 she just kept working and both of us were put 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.600 in things that we wouldn't have been doing had this 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:30.159 not happened to us, we wouldn't have been in a 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.200 different playing field, so to speak. But at the same time, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:38.359 this did not lessen our intention and honoring of the 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.000 work that was in front of us that we could 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.520 and were able to do. But it's very hard, and 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.960 what people don't understand is that it's not you know, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.560 people talk about the show Charmed and Shannon leaving and 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.280 firing and like as if it was it it just 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:52.320 affected her career. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:53.520 That's not the case. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.400 When someone lies about you and they have a machine 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:01.439 behind them, a powerful machine affects how people in a 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.159 store where you're going to buy something, treat you. It 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.239 affects certainly how the media treats you. It affects how 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:11.879 people online treat you. It affects future relationships you meet someone, 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:16.080 how any stranger perceives you, because they have all this 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.040 like arsenal of kind of lies that they're taught to 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.480 believe and not question. And why would they because this 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.320 is the dominant narrative, and it's extremely hard to get 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.159 out from under the dominant narrative. And I am so 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:34.199 proud that our girl did that. She did that, She 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.280 did that in the end and on her terms, and 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.800 by doing it, she helps so many people, which is 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:47.600 something that for me, I, you know, I sometimes get 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.760 asked like, you know, why are you like how you are? 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.680 And I'm sure she was asked that too. The bravery 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.440 it took for her to share her health journey in 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:04.400 a town where it's all about the look and nobody 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.000 can ever see you weak, The bravery it took for 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.960 her to be real and raw. For her, it was 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:11.840 actually not that much, because that's. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.280 Who she is. For other people, it would have taken. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.200 That. GE's inconceivable that they would share those moments, these 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.480 moments of deep vulnerability, these moments of weakness, and the 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.320 fact that she knew she could help others and herself 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.320 by having a community around her all the hats off 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.240 and anybody suffering that I know she would want you 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.040 to go on and keep fighting because she fought. 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:38.639 She fought. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.399 It was amazing. Sorry that brings tears to my eyes. 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:52.280 Moment for shoving it down. And what I'd love about 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.640 this last year and a half, almost two years now, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:03.160 it was such a gift. She never complained. She complained 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:09.320 about like stuff that, you know, why is the microphone 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.800 not sounding right? Like professional stuff, like pro stuff. 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.119 She's a pro. She was a deep pro. We're both pros. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.880 But she's a pro pro and like things to run 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:24.399 like a pro likes things to run. And But in 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.359 terms of her physical pain, her, if she had limitations, 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.080 if she was tired, she just kept going. And all 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.760 she would say is sometimes, you know, if too many 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:36.520 people tried to hug her at once, she was like, 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.560 you know, it's better for me not to. But she 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:40.920 almost always gave in and would hug anyway, even though 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:42.760 she was immuno compromised, which was. 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:49.000 What a hero, What a heroine she was was I 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.560 hate that word. 0:22:53.520 --> 0:23:04.000 Sorry, I'm gathering my It's hard when uh, a public 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:10.159 warrior leaves because there's not that many. There's not that 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:18.000 many that inspire me, inspire others because there's so many 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.240