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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. It's Ashley
Speaker 1: and Ben is still out on paternity leave, so we
Speaker 1: are here with Zachary Reality to recap this week's episode
Speaker 1: of Grand Season.
Speaker 4: Hey Zach Hello, Hello.
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm in the right place because I
Speaker 5: am like so Bachelor Nation strong. I love the show,
Speaker 5: I love the franchise. So I'm so excited to chat
Speaker 5: all things with you.
Speaker 2: And you told me off Mike that you love this season.
Speaker 1: So we are a little a bit in a disagreeance here,
Speaker 1: but I love that there are people who love this season.
Speaker 2: Why is it that it's got you?
Speaker 5: I love the girl drama and the girl competition. All
Speaker 5: of these girls are so fabulous. I feel like every
Speaker 5: week I get to know them better, and I think
Speaker 5: that's why the show gets better as it goes along
Speaker 5: because you actually get invested as time goes on. So,
Speaker 5: now four episodes in, I know everyone's name. I feel
Speaker 5: so confident going into the final seven. We have our
Speaker 5: key players left, so I think we have a good
Speaker 5: group and we have good drama.
Speaker 1: After this episode, who do you think is going to hometowns?
Speaker 1: Because that is right around the freaking corner. It's either
Speaker 1: gonna be not of course, next week, but you think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the following week. You think we're gonna
Speaker 1: eliminate three girls next week.
Speaker 5: I kind of do. For some reason. I feel like
Speaker 5: this is a shorter season, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I hope not.
Speaker 5: I was actually hoping would stay and that just Natalie
Speaker 5: would go because it feels like the girls are going
Speaker 5: so fast. But I think for Hometowns, I definitely see Juliana,
Speaker 5: Let's Sea, Dina and Alex in the top four.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would agree that this episode, probably there's always
Speaker 1: one episode like this kind of trimmed the fat. You know,
Speaker 1: the three obvious people to go home were the ones
Speaker 1: that went home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Rose was unexpected because she was like over
Speaker 5: it and they worked through it and then she just
Speaker 5: like maybe process things. A couple days later went off
Speaker 5: on Carolina spiraled and left like it was just so
Speaker 5: shocking and sudden.
Speaker 1: It was interesting, But I still think she would have
Speaker 1: been the last one to be eliminated. I just don't
Speaker 1: think they got there yet, comparable to the rest of
Speaker 1: the girls that happened that are remaining. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: go through the episode. Group date number one is Dina.
Speaker 1: You know, all before that group day always sees them,
Speaker 1: you know, finding out that they're going to Madrid.
Speaker 2: It's the day.
Speaker 1: After the the prom rose ceremony, and people are still
Speaker 1: feeling not so great about Carolina having taken time, but
Speaker 1: we're focused on Dina.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: They do the.
Speaker 1: Classic They did the classic Spanish trip. This is what
Speaker 1: they do every time they go to Spain. The kids
Speaker 1: play soccer. There's like dancing in the streets. What else
Speaker 1: did they do on their date? There was there was
Speaker 1: one moment that I was like, oh, that's actually kind
Speaker 1: of cute.
Speaker 4: They were just kind of vibing all day.
Speaker 2: They ride a little boat. It was the boat that's nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that night she was talking about how she's
Speaker 5: one of eleven, so she has a lot of siblings
Speaker 5: and then with her parents they were thirteen. So she
Speaker 5: was just talking about how she had to kind of
Speaker 5: overcome feeling like she had to prove herself.
Speaker 1: I guess right, And I just I really like I
Speaker 1: went from Okay, if you listen to the podcast, you
Speaker 1: kind of know that. Like, I just didn't think that
Speaker 1: he had it with Dina.
Speaker 2: I thought she was also.
Speaker 1: Kind of hanging by a thread. Actually I was definitely wrong.
Speaker 1: She is different than the rest of the girls. She
Speaker 1: is intimidating, like she says that she often comes across
Speaker 1: to people, but you can tell she's truly smart.
Speaker 2: She does a lot to her.
Speaker 1: And I think he thinks it's really sexy the way
Speaker 1: that she's like this strong, independent woman.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I also didn't see that much of a connection
Speaker 5: between them as well.
Speaker 4: I feel like she could.
Speaker 5: End up being more of a friend, and I don't
Speaker 5: think that he's gonna end up picking her.
Speaker 4: She also was a little boring.
Speaker 2: Okay, interested sick.
Speaker 1: I like the way that we're on different pages here.
Speaker 1: I also don't think that they're going to end up together.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure she'll be Final four, but I
Speaker 1: think that he's very intrigued by her. I think she's
Speaker 1: different than anyone he's ever dated. And they have this
Speaker 1: interesting conversation where he says that she reminds him of
Speaker 1: his mom, but he's he's spoken about his mom and
Speaker 1: not he loves his mom. He definitely, you know, thinks
Speaker 1: that she's a great woman and so grateful for everything
Speaker 1: that like she's she did for him and his sister.
Speaker 1: But he definitely says that his mom focused too much
Speaker 1: on work. It was too focused on the provider element.
Speaker 1: And I think that he when he says that you
Speaker 1: remind me of my mom, he's thinking about that too.
Speaker 1: And then they have this discussion over like I can
Speaker 1: take care of you, you take care of me, like
Speaker 1: we have like we're both equals in this providing element
Speaker 1: of the relationship. Would you think about this this conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I definitely feel like picking Dina would
Speaker 5: be like stable, and she seems responsible, Like she seems
Speaker 5: like she'll be a great responsible She's gonna be a
Speaker 5: great wife and mother. But I just don't think that
Speaker 5: she has that like adventurous spirit, and like maybe she does,
Speaker 5: because the fiery side of her kind of came out
Speaker 5: in the coming attractions for now.
Speaker 1: She said that she went to Europe three times during
Speaker 1: the summer. Do you remember that from last week?
Speaker 4: And I didn't even remember that.
Speaker 5: But there was just something a little like boring about
Speaker 5: her where she seems like a little uptight for him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I agree, I understand this, like I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see this happening. But but she's more of
Speaker 1: a contender than I thought she would be. So back
Speaker 1: at the house, the girls are speculating and.
Speaker 2: She could come home with a Rosaora like most people
Speaker 2: think she is. And the date card says that alex.
Speaker 1: Letia, Carolina, Natalie, Rose, Parisa, Zoe, and Juliana would be
Speaker 1: going on a wild ride. This means that Saraphina will
Speaker 1: get the will be getting the one on one date.
Speaker 1: During this home portion, you can already see people are
Speaker 1: chirpin about Carolina and her complaints. What's your take on
Speaker 1: Carolina's complaints thus far? Because from what I feel like
Speaker 1: we've seen, she I interpret it as she is insecure
Speaker 1: that she went on a date with him, she really
Speaker 1: liked him. She came home and she was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, now I have to see other people date
Speaker 1: him and everything worry, worry, and her doubts are more
Speaker 1: of like doubting this process, Like this process is crazy.
Speaker 1: How am I actually supposed to know if I can
Speaker 1: get engaged to this guy. I don't hear her coming
Speaker 1: up with doubts about his character. Are we missing something?
Speaker 4: I think she's over sharing to the group. I think
Speaker 4: these are things.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I agree that these are things.
Speaker 5: You need to keep an interview, like this is what
Speaker 5: you tell your producers when you're in the confessionals. This
Speaker 5: is not what you share to the girls. I think
Speaker 5: she thinks that everyone. I don't know if people are
Speaker 5: asking her questions and she just really wants to just
Speaker 5: share all. But I feel like she's oversharing. She should
Speaker 5: be keeping her cards closer to her chest. And I
Speaker 5: think that's going to be her demise, is that she
Speaker 5: is letting everyone know her business. And I think that's
Speaker 5: where she put her foot in her mouth one too
Speaker 5: many times, and why she's rubbing people the wrong way,
Speaker 5: because like she's realistic and she's skeptical, but she's just
Speaker 5: like being too aloof with like her information.
Speaker 2: This is so true.
Speaker 1: Yes, these are things that you write in yourcheler diary,
Speaker 1: and that you tell your producer. But why are you
Speaker 1: telling the girls that you have any sorts of doubts?
Speaker 1: Because everybody secretly has the doubts, but you say it
Speaker 1: out loud, and it's gonna not be a good look.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get to the group date and
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about Carolina later. So the group date's
Speaker 1: actually quite fun. It's a bull riding contest, and Alex
Speaker 1: comes up with this way to really grab onto the
Speaker 1: bull by the horse.
Speaker 2: She took the bull by the horns, and she rides.
Speaker 1: That thing well, and of course Zoe takes up her
Speaker 1: her you know her, and yeah, and she ends up
Speaker 1: beating her out with this. And I do not believe
Speaker 1: that she actually beat her in this competition. I think
Speaker 1: Alex deserved it. But it wasn't as if they really
Speaker 1: even got much of a reward for winning this, so
Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 5: It was like a sunset champagne moment. It probably was
Speaker 5: like an extra thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Let's say, you know what, You're right, it was was
Speaker 1: I forgot about the sunset champagne.
Speaker 2: And those moments are they're critical when you add them up.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Well, Zoe I think is really strong, like
Speaker 4: she was a wrestler.
Speaker 5: She has muscles, and I think riding the bull is
Speaker 5: about like staying tight to it, So I think that's
Speaker 5: why she won. And Zoe is beautiful as well. I
Speaker 5: mean she's stunning and gorgeous Zoe. She's stunned this She's
Speaker 5: also been a little bit like high maintenance too, and
Speaker 5: a lot of drama. So I think it'll be interesting
Speaker 5: if she makes it to Hometowns because she has been
Speaker 5: a rollercoaster this season.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if she will, but she was
Speaker 1: one of my first guesses to make Hometowns.
Speaker 2: Who the heck knows.
Speaker 1: She Her character is all over the place because they
Speaker 1: were villainizing her last week and the week before, and
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, she's just kind of one
Speaker 1: of the girls.
Speaker 2: No one's complaining about her.
Speaker 5: Well, Carolina has took up that spot and is really
Speaker 5: taking over the show. I mean, I'm sure she's gonna
Speaker 5: go home next week. It's gonna hit it all time high.
Speaker 5: But she's giving us a lot of material. Where do
Speaker 5: you think she ranks in Bachelor villains?
Speaker 2: Oh, Carolina, I think she said nothing villain. I don't
Speaker 2: even think she's a villain.
Speaker 1: I think she's partially being a little bit misunderstood.
Speaker 2: We will get to the and I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: This takes part at.
Speaker 1: The after party, the bull riding after party, Carolina and
Speaker 1: Juliana have their big confrontation here. I didn't like this, Okay,
Speaker 1: so call me a devil's advocate, which I tend to
Speaker 1: look at the show through devil's advocate glasses, But I
Speaker 1: thought that Juliana seemed to be a little bit villainous
Speaker 1: in this moment. She was like, do you feel that,
Speaker 1: because she was like, you are making everything up about you,
Speaker 1: like your doubts. But then it was the doubts. She's like,
Speaker 1: why do you keep talking about your doubts? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: just because the girl's expressing her doubts doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: she's not appreciative of the time that she had. She's
Speaker 1: not saying, man, I wish I didn't have that time
Speaker 1: with Grant. She's saying, I have doubts about the time
Speaker 1: that I had with him, and she's doubting the process, which,
Speaker 1: like you said, she should be saying to somebody else
Speaker 1: or in her Bachelor diary.
Speaker 2: So it's a weird move to be talking to the
Speaker 2: girls about.
Speaker 1: This, But she's technically not being not appreciative. She's just
Speaker 1: being thoughtful. Am I crazy? Our producer here is giving
Speaker 1: me support, she texted me in the chat she is
Speaker 1: she agrees. It's yeah, there's a difference between not appreciating time,
Speaker 1: which is what Juliana is accusing her of being doubtful
Speaker 1: of the time that she's had with him.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Zach Well, it was just so weird. I love.
Speaker 5: The key moment of the night was when Carolina said,
Speaker 5: what is your question? So what's your question? Because Juliana,
Speaker 5: no one asked for your opinion. And I do think
Speaker 5: that Juliana was like kind of speaking a little bit
Speaker 5: of facts of some frustration that her and some of
Speaker 5: the other girls have had about Carolina, but ultimately, like,
Speaker 5: it's really not your business to pull her aside and
Speaker 5: tell her what you think about her when she didn't ask,
Speaker 5: And are you trying to help her, are you trying
Speaker 5: to give her advice or are you just trying to like.
Speaker 4: Let your feelings off your chest.
Speaker 5: Because other than that, go to confessional, go to say
Speaker 5: it for the women tell all like, there's no point
Speaker 5: of pulling her aside if you're not trying to help her.
Speaker 5: So it felt like she was trying to like corner her,
Speaker 5: and she did look like the villain in that situation.
Speaker 2: Oh you did, okay you thought?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm.
Speaker 4: Team Carolina, but the internet is siding with Juliana.
Speaker 2: Your team Carolina.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I've been team Carolina, even last week with
Speaker 5: the Rose stuff.
Speaker 4: I've been riding with Carolina all season.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, So again, if they're annoyed at her time
Speaker 1: taking up time, there's been times where we get it.
Speaker 1: But last week I think she had every right to
Speaker 1: go up to him and say, hey, so this girl
Speaker 1: Rose told me that when you were like dirty dancing
Speaker 1: with me, you were thinking of her.
Speaker 2: Of course she's going to she's gonna confront him about that.
Speaker 1: That is legit, and that is this episode, the turnaround
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: We will get to that in a minute, but I just.
Speaker 1: Want to just to focus a little bit more on
Speaker 1: the Juliana conversation. It was bizarre because Juliana, who has
Speaker 1: I think, really tried to be very likable and put together.
Speaker 1: She showed some cracks in this conversation. To me, she
Speaker 1: seemed to get great joy out of telling Grant that
Speaker 1: Carolina was being a problem in the house. And she definitely,
Speaker 1: from what we've seen, exaggerated what.
Speaker 2: She's been saying because.
Speaker 1: She was like, she's had doubts about you. She's talking
Speaker 1: about how she's not sure about you. We as an
Speaker 1: audience haven't seen it. So who's in the wrong here.
Speaker 1: Is Juliana making this up? Or are the producers or
Speaker 1: the editors not showing us important stuff to the storyline,
Speaker 1: which has been our theme on this podcast all season long.
Speaker 1: Are we missing something because the puzzle pieces aren't fitting.
Speaker 5: There's off camera conversations. It was eluded last week when
Speaker 5: Rose and Carolina. That key point happened off camera. I
Speaker 5: think the girls are talking in the bunks at night,
Speaker 5: in the bathroom, in the bathroom or at night maybe
Speaker 5: like when the when they're sleeping, like do you think
Speaker 5: they're they're probably telling each other how they really feel.
Speaker 5: And I think they're testing their friendships and testing who
Speaker 5: will bring what to air. I mean Rose said this
Speaker 5: week like I would never have brought that to air,
Speaker 5: So there seems to be some miscommunication. I kind of
Speaker 5: believe Juliana, and I do think she has Grant's best interest.
Speaker 5: I also think she's a major front runner. She's actually
Speaker 5: my winter pick.
Speaker 2: Carolina is still your winter pick.
Speaker 4: No, Juliana is my winter Oh Juliana.
Speaker 5: I think there's room for Juliana to recover from this
Speaker 5: misstep that she had this week.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Juliana has misstepped in Grant's eyes, right,
Speaker 1: it seems like he's still.
Speaker 2: Very much like it does not.
Speaker 1: He said that I respect you more after you coming
Speaker 1: to me and airing this out, which was usually bachelors
Speaker 1: won't say that about somebody who is being the rat,
Speaker 1: you know. Oftentimes the you know, we gotta say what
Speaker 1: we gotta say, but usually those people don't get all
Speaker 1: the way and are barely ever said like, I respect.
Speaker 2: You more for coming to me and telling me this.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: But so, what happened in the group, Dad is after
Speaker 5: Juliana and Carolina's misstep, Grant came back and he kind
Speaker 5: of interrupted when they were talking to the girls in
Speaker 5: the group, do you remember, And then Grant pulled Carolyne
Speaker 5: aside because he noticed that she was crying, and then
Speaker 5: he didn't hands out.
Speaker 4: The group date Rose.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, so this is gonna make the girls dislike
Speaker 5: Carolina even more because Grant pulled her aside. Now she's
Speaker 5: getting even more time, and then no one gets a roast,
Speaker 5: So now they all feel like they got punished.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, Well, this is all above. You know,
Speaker 1: these are all God's hands at work. These are the
Speaker 1: Bachelor God's hands at work. Of course, Caroline is gonna
Speaker 1: be the last one to talk to him, and therefore
Speaker 1: it's gonna seem like she's the one to blame. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: then let's go on to the one group, the final
Speaker 1: one on one before we get into the real nitty
Speaker 1: gritty with Carolina. At the end of the episode, this
Speaker 1: is with Sarah Fina. They go bungee jumping, and every
Speaker 1: time I do a bungee jumping day, I contemplate whether
Speaker 1: it seems fun or or I could never do it.
Speaker 4: I would never do that in my life.
Speaker 5: I don't want to jump off a bridge, I don't
Speaker 5: want to jump out of thee I don't like roller coasters.
Speaker 5: But Sara Fina, she was fearless.
Speaker 1: See, I think I would do it over water on
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, not in life, but on the Bachelor as
Speaker 1: a bonding over love experience. Like if they had me
Speaker 1: and Jared go back and do like an episode, I
Speaker 1: would do this with him.
Speaker 2: He actually did it with Claire, so that makes it
Speaker 2: quite weird. He did it over water with Claire.
Speaker 5: They do it almost every single season. They do the
Speaker 5: bungee jump, and you know there's bachelor trivia for you.
Speaker 5: There's one girl who did not do it on her
Speaker 5: one on one date when she was supposed to jump
Speaker 5: out of a bridge.
Speaker 4: Do you know who it is?
Speaker 2: No? Who good trivia.
Speaker 4: From one Pablo season. Her name is Chelsea.
Speaker 5: She refused to jump off the bridge, so she just
Speaker 5: they just changed the date.
Speaker 4: They just didn't do it.
Speaker 2: Did he get annoyed?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, not really.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so. That's such good trivia.
Speaker 5: I was thinking of like last night. The reason I
Speaker 5: thought of that was because I would never jump off
Speaker 5: a bridge. If I was Sarah Fina, like, I would
Speaker 5: be like, I'm not doing this because that seems so scary.
Speaker 5: But she was so fearless, so I really commend her
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 1: What I thought about was like the fact that you're
Speaker 1: going down head first, you know, and then your head
Speaker 1: hangs upside down.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the worst part.
Speaker 1: Like when they did the jump in Vegas, that seems
Speaker 1: like something I would definitely do on a bachelor date,
Speaker 1: but never voluntarily do this is just like, ah, does
Speaker 1: this actually hurt?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And would I rather go skydiving or bungee jumping? Which
Speaker 1: one seems more dangerous? With this team, this woman that
Speaker 1: was conducting the bungee jump was making me nervous, right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but I feel like they were told to
Speaker 4: do that right now.
Speaker 2: Definitely they're like play along, yeah, and the safety.
Speaker 5: Because Sarafina just wasn't sweating like most people would at
Speaker 5: least be nervous, they would have to work through it together.
Speaker 5: Like she was just so tough. She was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: let's do it. And Grant was a little nervous, but
Speaker 5: it could have been way more dramatic.
Speaker 1: So Sarafina to me is the girl that got this
Speaker 1: week's date, and we'll get through to next week, but
Speaker 1: then you know, be eliminated before hometowns where it's like, oh.
Speaker 2: Did we waste that one on one?
Speaker 1: You know, like they have a nice, a nice friendly connection.
Speaker 1: I don't see a great love here, what about you?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the highlight of the date is when
Speaker 5: Brant was like, you know, I feel like you're holding
Speaker 5: back when I try and kiss you, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: my mom's watching.
Speaker 4: My mom is watching, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was the best.
Speaker 5: So that's where it's interesting because it's like, yes, Sarafina
Speaker 5: seems behind some of the other girls. It seems a
Speaker 5: little forced the connection. But is she just holding back
Speaker 5: because her mom is watching? Was that just a joke
Speaker 5: or is she just holding back because she's on TV?
Speaker 5: So there might be more to Serafina to be explored,
Speaker 5: but it definitely seems like she's behind even after this date,
Speaker 5: Like she's not going to be a front runner the
Speaker 5: top three.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1: She does talk about how she was embarrassed to be
Speaker 1: to be growing up for with a single mom. She
Speaker 1: feels like she missed out a lot on a lot
Speaker 1: and like she said that she was sad to have
Speaker 1: a traditional wedding because she didn't want to not have
Speaker 1: anybody walk her down the aisle, and that was very sweet.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, sad, but like that was a nice,
Speaker 1: little vulnerable moment and you know.
Speaker 4: She looks like Charity.
Speaker 2: I like her. Okay, thank you, thank you. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this girl is exactly Charity.
Speaker 4: And you know who you know, Alex? She looks just
Speaker 4: like Michelle too, you.
Speaker 2: Think Alex Michelle Alex?
Speaker 1: Okay, because Alex has been I look at her every
Speaker 1: week and I go, who do you look like? She
Speaker 1: looks so much like someone. I'm not sure if it's Michelle.
Speaker 1: She has Michelle like qualities for sure. But Sarafina is Charity.
Speaker 5: Right, No, for real, I really like Sarafina. She seems
Speaker 5: sassy and fun. She did make one rude comment this
Speaker 5: season when she was saying that Zoe's dress was too short.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was weird. That's kind of isn't that a
Speaker 4: rude comment?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a comment that we make in today's
Speaker 1: day and age, But then again we.
Speaker 2: Do, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, that's like the kind of thing that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna say on camera because you're not going to be
Speaker 1: like the anti feminist girl. You're not going to be
Speaker 1: the one that's putting women down right for their clothing choices?
Speaker 2: Will you whisper about it in the bathroom? Possibly?
Speaker 5: Right, So she'll probably have to clarify that at the
Speaker 5: Women Tell All. But I mean, she got the rose,
Speaker 5: so she's in the top seven. I can't believe there's
Speaker 5: only seven girls.
Speaker 1: Lefts Yeah, I know, so crazy. Okay, So let's get
Speaker 1: to the rose ceremony. Well, the cocktail party rose ceremony
Speaker 1: the most juicy part of the entire night. So I
Speaker 1: first want to just say, because I got a little
Speaker 1: comment from our producer here she goes. When Juliana was
Speaker 1: talking to Grant earlier in the episode, she was smiling
Speaker 1: ear to ear when she was talking. She's like, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about Carolina. Why was she's delivering it with such
Speaker 1: a joy and such pride. I don't know, I really
Speaker 1: that was That was weird, and I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about this a lot when it comes
Speaker 1: to Juliana in the future, especially next week when she
Speaker 1: looks to get the one on one.
Speaker 4: I think she just really thought she was right.
Speaker 5: I think she really wanted to tell her side of
Speaker 5: the story because she didn't get to. She had to
Speaker 5: wait like two days, right, because the group day ended
Speaker 5: so abruptly.
Speaker 1: She had to wait two days because the group Oh
Speaker 1: that's right, Yes, because she actually I was talking about
Speaker 1: this before. This is actually the top of the episode
Speaker 1: that he talks to Juliana from her perspective.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I got that.
Speaker 1: Next step, Yeah, he's talking to her at the top
Speaker 1: of this nurse cocktail party party. Yeah, all right, So
Speaker 1: this is when Grant says that Carolina the situations and
Speaker 1: bothering him a lot. He's saying he doesn't know how
Speaker 1: he feels about Carolina, and it's concerning after what Juliana
Speaker 1: has told him. So then he pulls Carolina aside and
Speaker 1: says that it's been hurting him to hear that she's
Speaker 1: questioning this, this whole thing, that he's developed.
Speaker 2: A spot a soft spot for her after.
Speaker 1: They're one on one, because you know, she revealed about
Speaker 1: the fact that she has epilepsy, and he said that
Speaker 1: he wanted to take care of her, really really sweet,
Speaker 1: and then she said, it's very frustrating to hear all this.
Speaker 1: She says that it's more normal to have doubts and
Speaker 1: questions after this is.
Speaker 2: Such a good point.
Speaker 1: It's more normal to have doubts and questions about somebody
Speaker 1: that I went on a first date with than to
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, I'm going to marry him tomorrow,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, Carolina exactly.
Speaker 4: She's speaking facts.
Speaker 1: It's always the person that brings realism to the show
Speaker 1: that gets villainized.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, it'll be interesting if Carolina makes it to hometowns too,
Speaker 5: and then that becomes a conversation with her family.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it probably will, because it's always a quite
Speaker 1: The family's always like this process seems kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Isn't it weird to like get engaged to somebody you've
Speaker 2: got on two.
Speaker 1: Dates with and you know, I'm sure they're just gonna
Speaker 1: echo her feelings. And then Grant says that it's unfair
Speaker 1: if he goes into a date and doesn't give one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of himself. Carolina says she doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of hope going to tonight. She feels defeated, and
Speaker 1: then we have this moment between Dina and Carolina where
Speaker 1: Dina says that she knows that she's being misunderstood. Dina's
Speaker 1: crying on behalf of Carolina. She's saying, I see you,
Speaker 1: I see you, and they have this hug and you've
Speaker 1: if you've been like watching really carefully, you can see
Speaker 1: that the two of them do have this friendship throughout
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna.
Speaker 1: End next week because Dina has this moment with Carolina
Speaker 1: by the stairs and she's like, ah, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: go see Grant one more time, like you're out of
Speaker 1: your mind.
Speaker 2: I'm the f I'm crazy. I'm just crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think their friendship is going to end. But
Speaker 1: I do think this is a sweet supportive moment for Dina,
Speaker 1: and she is seeing what we see the girl was.
Speaker 1: I can't get over the fact the girl was told
Speaker 1: last week that he was thinking of someone else's dirty
Speaker 1: dance while dirty dancing with her, that was.
Speaker 2: An appropriate time to have alone time.
Speaker 1: She is getting from what I got. I know it's
Speaker 1: I just have to keep reiterating from what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: I think she's getting the shit end of the stick.
Speaker 1: I think the girls are being overly dramatic. I think
Speaker 1: they needed to come up with a villain, so they're
Speaker 1: coming up with where they're coming up with Carolina. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see her getting a little support in
Speaker 1: the moment from Dina.
Speaker 5: It's definitely one of It's a good moment because it's
Speaker 5: nice that someone has Carolina's back. So it's not the
Speaker 5: entire house against her. So it was a nice moment
Speaker 5: for Dina. But if Carolina really burns Dina next week,
Speaker 5: like we're seeing the coming attractions, I mean, that's her
Speaker 5: burning her last bridge, and then she's gonna have no
Speaker 5: one left but Grant, and he's probably gonna sent her
Speaker 5: home on an island, and then she's gonna have to
Speaker 5: confront all these girls that the women sell all and
Speaker 5: that'll be tough for her as well. So I'm rooting
Speaker 5: for Carolina. I think maybe where she misstepped, like I
Speaker 5: said earlier, is just by oversharing and maybe being a
Speaker 5: little too emotional at times. Other than that, like she's
Speaker 5: had a lot up against her.
Speaker 2: Yes, we will.
Speaker 1: I will continue to give Dina the I mean I
Speaker 1: will continue to give Carolina the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: until Dina doesn't. I feel like I am team Dina
Speaker 1: because she has her head on straight.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The craziest part of the entire.
Speaker 1: Episode to me is Rose and Carolina, because she goes,
Speaker 1: I confided in you, and then you use that information
Speaker 1: against me. Your actions set my relationship back. You sabotaged me,
Speaker 1: you did mean dirty, you backstabbed me, it was nutty.
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, let's pull back for a minute.
Speaker 1: You told someone, Hey, the guy that we're dating was
Speaker 1: thinking about me when you were straddling him.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you think.
Speaker 1: That was an okay thing to say out loud to
Speaker 1: the person. And now you're gonna make her seem like
Speaker 1: the bad guy for wanting clarity. She spiral was this
Speaker 1: crazy bachelor stuff. The way she looked at her, you
Speaker 1: did me dirty?
Speaker 2: Are you are out of your mind? Okay?
Speaker 5: Well it was because it seemed like her and Grants
Speaker 5: threw things over. They had a conversation about moving on.
Speaker 5: Grant still kept her last week, even though he was
Speaker 5: mad at her. I thought they would have closure on
Speaker 5: the conversation this week and maybe clarify what was said
Speaker 5: and what wasn't.
Speaker 4: They really didn't dive into it.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of frustrating because he did say it,
Speaker 5: so Rose ended up getting.
Speaker 1: So you think that you think that he said it,
Speaker 1: So this is this is this is a great conversation
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 2: Did he say it or did he or did she
Speaker 2: misinterpret it?
Speaker 4: Well? I guess it's both.
Speaker 5: There is a clip going around where basically he said
Speaker 5: that he never said Carolina's name. He just said he
Speaker 5: was thinking about her while he was dancing, so it
Speaker 5: was more of a general statement, and it seemed like
Speaker 5: no one ever inserted Carolina's name into there except for
Speaker 5: Carolina or Rose. That's that's why the off camera conversation
Speaker 5: is confusing.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if, like a lot of the missing
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces over the season, has just been like them
Speaker 1: letting these girls chat unmiked too often, too many bathroom conversations,
Speaker 1: too many, too many bunk conversations. Like you said, we
Speaker 1: used to be miked if we were chatty at all,
Speaker 1: they were like they came to us with our mics.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they don't have a lot. But the
Speaker 1: weird thing is, I don't know. I think there's booms
Speaker 1: in every room where, Like they can at least show
Speaker 1: the footage from the top and like put close captioning
Speaker 1: underneath it, Like I would love some close captioning, like
Speaker 1: hidden camera stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're doing that anymore.
Speaker 5: They haven't done that this season, or maybe they've changed
Speaker 5: the rules recently. I don't think they're being as basis
Speaker 5: with the filming. They don't show people in the bedrooms anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bedroom conversations are key.
Speaker 5: They're gone, and I think that's what's missing in the
Speaker 5: Rose and Carolina context and why we don't really know
Speaker 5: who is right until we get to the women tell
Speaker 5: all and see them hash it out.
Speaker 1: This happened last season too, with Joey's season. It was like, well,
Speaker 1: what was actually said? We need the footage, And I
Speaker 1: would always argue that, like they had the footage, they
Speaker 1: just didn't want to give it to us because they
Speaker 1: wanted the narrative that they wanted to go with, right.
Speaker 5: But I think with Rose it's like, I think her
Speaker 5: relationship was set back because her and Grant were not
Speaker 5: able to overcome that. And maybe you can partially blame Carolina,
Speaker 5: but like, what is she supposed to do after what
Speaker 5: you said to her off camera? Like, of course she's
Speaker 5: going to bring it up. So Rose kind of did
Speaker 5: this to herself and she's blaming Carolina for her demise,
Speaker 5: and she spiraled and she went home and maybe she
Speaker 5: should have had a conversation with Grant about it, but
Speaker 5: it seemed like she just started crying and just needed
Speaker 5: to leave. Do you think there was more to that
Speaker 5: that was cut of her meltdown.
Speaker 2: I actually don't.
Speaker 1: I think she just like probably knew it wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be her. She felt so behind. She's like, there's
Speaker 1: no catching up. I would rather take the power and
Speaker 1: be the one to leave than get dumped at the
Speaker 1: rose ceremony. And I understand that dumping at a rose
Speaker 1: ceremony is like the ultimate demoralization.
Speaker 5: Really, I feel like I would want to like get
Speaker 5: dumped at a rose ceremony because it's like part of
Speaker 5: the show, Like it's like you have to commit to it.
Speaker 1: I'm all of my four seasons, I never left at
Speaker 1: a rose ceremony. I did technically in season three of
Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, and then I.
Speaker 2: Came back right. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of it, like you know,
Speaker 1: how you want to be the person to break up
Speaker 1: with somebody when you feel like the relationships on the Fritz,
Speaker 1: there's just a way to bring back your power. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that I don't think there
Speaker 1: was much more to it other than the fact that
Speaker 1: she was feeling very behind. But you know what, it
Speaker 1: was funny I was thinking when she was like, I.
Speaker 2: Just want to go home. I just want to go home.
Speaker 1: I was like, of all my seasons, I never said
Speaker 1: I wanted to go home.
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to be here.
Speaker 1: There was a time on Bachelor in Paradise three where
Speaker 1: I was like I should go home. Nobody why I
Speaker 1: think I should probably go home. That's different then I
Speaker 1: want to go home. I was like, I made a
Speaker 1: huge mistake in coming here anyway.
Speaker 2: All right now, I'm just reminiscing.
Speaker 1: All right, well next week we see and like you said, yes, Parisa,
Speaker 1: Natalie go home to me. That's not a shocking thing
Speaker 1: at all. Parisa in the Rocks, she probably had some
Speaker 1: hope because he gave her a gift that she was
Speaker 1: going to stick around.
Speaker 4: I'm sad for her. I wanted her one more week.
Speaker 1: Really, she's so ridiculous. But I'm sure she's not as
Speaker 1: ridiculous in her life. You know, they just made her
Speaker 1: like the silly character.
Speaker 4: She was a little silly. I was sure the power point,
Speaker 4: the cat.
Speaker 1: The power point was definitely her silliest of things.
Speaker 5: Just her fashion. She was just always different. Natalie was
Speaker 5: a little boring from the beginning, and she just did
Speaker 5: not do anything.
Speaker 1: Natalie had the kid with the kids going on, you
Speaker 1: know her. Her being so good with the kids at
Speaker 1: the basketball game was her standout moment.
Speaker 5: I think got it. Natalie and Dina looked alike in
Speaker 5: my opinion.
Speaker 2: I see that. I see that.
Speaker 1: So next week they're going to Scotland, Julianna is going
Speaker 1: to have her one on one and uh, we have
Speaker 1: the moment with Carolina on the steps where she said,
Speaker 1: what was the words that you said?
Speaker 5: You got it right, you did I'm the villain. What
Speaker 5: Dina said, you did me dirty? I Uh what Dina
Speaker 5: said to Carolina, if you're going to.
Speaker 2: Guess I'm I guess I'm crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, call me crazed or call me insane. Yeah, because
Speaker 5: she's going to talk to Grant again. And that's why
Speaker 5: the girls are so mad at Carolina, because she just
Speaker 5: monopolizes all the time.
Speaker 4: She just steals him the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's definitely gonna go home next week.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be at a rose ceremony. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to have some conversation and she's gonna
Speaker 1: slip out the back door.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be wild.
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