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Speaker 2: Bill's minus one according to hard Rock Bet at the Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: I like the Jaguars, and I think they can pound them. Now,

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Speaker 2: I will say, I know Buffalo has been a weird

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Speaker 2: team that week to week. You know, you get really

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Speaker 2: good halves really bad halves. I think Jacksonville is completely legit.

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Speaker 2: I think they're the third or fourth best team in

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Speaker 2: the league. For them to be at home as an underdog,

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Speaker 2: to me feels incredibly disrespectful. I get the offensive coach

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence isn't turning it over. I think I would

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Speaker 2: take Jacksonville by a touchdown, what say you?

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Speaker 3: I get they were playing the Titans today, But man,

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Speaker 3: they look good and I just counted they They've won

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Speaker 3: eight straight games and Trevor looks fantastic. There is no

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Speaker 3: disputing I mean, you could make the argument they're playing

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Speaker 3: as well as any team in the league. I think

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Speaker 3: now in terms of in terms of like momentum in

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Speaker 3: terms of both sides of the ball, the coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: how well the quarterback looks historically though, you know, I

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Speaker 3: mean this, that's where the Bills are a unique team

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Speaker 3: going to the They do have a guy that if

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Speaker 3: he's on, can just take over a game, but just

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Speaker 3: based on the way they're playing, it'd be hard to go.

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Speaker 1: Against the Jags.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's just the Jags can win the

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Speaker 3: Texans are probably one of the scarier teams. They're comfortable

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Speaker 3: playing them right there in the division, so they've seen

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Speaker 3: that personnel. It's not like Denver and New England are

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Speaker 3: unbeatable squads. So I would say Jacksonville haven't seen the

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Speaker 3: odds of them to win the AFC. But if they

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Speaker 3: get by the Bills, to me, they are very very

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Speaker 1: They're at home.

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Speaker 3: They're taking on this guy who's most considered when he's

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Speaker 3: the Jags win the AFC for sure.

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Speaker 2: Remember Buffalo is a very weird first half team. They

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Speaker 2: play from behind. Now today they didn't against the hapless Jets.

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Speaker 2: But you get down like I would take the Jags

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Speaker 2: in the first half. You get down to Jacksonville and

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Speaker 2: Buffalo has trailed, I think in six of their last

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Speaker 2: When you go on the road, regular season or playoffs

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Speaker 2: have to start quickly. Like Seattle at San Francisco took

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Speaker 2: command of the game first tribe, You're like, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: the crowds not a factor. Buffalo go on the road,

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Speaker 2: get down fourteen to three, fourteen to nothing like that.

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Speaker 2: Thing could go sideways fast. Jacksonville's a much better starting

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Speaker 2: team with an offensive coach in scripted plays. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is nothing against McDermott, but a team as good

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Speaker 2: as Buffalo shouldn't trail six of eight games in the

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Speaker 2: second half in a water down AFC. Jacksonville's a rough

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Speaker 2: matchup for them. Now, there's no odds yet the Texans

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Speaker 2: they will control both. My guess is the Texans would

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Speaker 2: go on the road and be like a two and

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Speaker 2: a half point favorite at Baltimore at Pittsburgh. I really

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Speaker 2: like the Texans. I think you and I both feel this.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just forget they keep making the playoffs

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Speaker 2: and c J. Strouds won't playoff games like Demiko Ryans

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Speaker 2: you guys around the league like Mike McDonald And Demiko

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Speaker 2: Ryans is defensive coaches. Jesse Mentor is a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: They're just different, and I I gotta tell you the

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Speaker 2: one team I would not want to play is the Texans.

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Speaker 2: Could you know they're going to be the underdog. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: play the Ravens and the Steelers. I like the Ravens

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Speaker 2: tonight close. Where are you on that?

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Speaker 1: I think they match you.

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers would have no shot against them,

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Speaker 3: you know, because Rogers running away not possible. That they're

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Speaker 3: passing games atrocious. I guess DK's back. They can't really.

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Speaker 3: The one way to neutralize a good pass rush would

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Speaker 3: be to run the ball, Derrick Henry's come alive of late.

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Speaker 3: You know, depending on Lamar, you know, whether he if

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Speaker 3: he's healthy for that game, just poses a problem.

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens are a tougher matchup than the Steelers, but

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Speaker 3: I beat either.

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Speaker 1: And if they win that game, they are like the Jags.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could argue two teams that are going

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Speaker 3: AFC with a chance to win the conference. Is the

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Speaker 3: Jags and the Texans. Their physicality, the coaching staff, their mentality.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've loved Houston. I listen, I thought Houston

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Speaker 3: the Jags have had an incredible season. When your defense

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: And look and look at this, Drake May second year player,

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Speaker 1: He's throwing to.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have elite dB play in Houston, So

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Speaker 3: to me, what they do translates to all the opponents

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Speaker 3: they're gonna see. You know, they've they've beaten the Jags

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Speaker 3: I think of all the wild cards that we're going

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Speaker 3: the NFC, the Texans would have the best chance to

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree. You know, Denver, we've seen this in college

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Speaker 2: They're going to get a bye. Denver's gonna get a buye.

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Speaker 2: I think those two teams, I think they'd want to play.

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Speaker 2: I think if I'm Seattle after that, yeah, I want

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Speaker 2: So it's like in a weird way sometimes losing you know,

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Speaker 1: They like Seattle.

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Speaker 3: There are only so many teams in the NFL that

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Speaker 3: You know, let's say Jacksonville and Buffalo end up playing

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Speaker 3: But I would say Jacksonville some home field advantage. Houston

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Speaker 3: Arrowhead Collegiate like atmosphere cold that these teams. I mean,

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Speaker 3: get the game plan installed, be able to communicate. No

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Speaker 3: you watch and play.

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Speaker 1: Somethings off, they don't. They don't really.

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Speaker 3: Oh and bo Nicks that one game he played against

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Speaker 1: You'd like a little more juice.

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Speaker 3: That's the one thing the Patriots have. They get easier opponents,

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Speaker 3: but they roll them. They get so much momentum so

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Speaker 3: because I watch him play. Doesn't always play confident where

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Speaker 2: They're going to Carolina. Carolina is going to be hosting

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Speaker 3: You could see it on it like this is because

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Speaker 3: My opinion has changed dramatically on the Rams. I am

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Speaker 3: to enact something. If you under five hundred, you should.

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Speaker 1: Not be able to host a playoff game.

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Speaker 3: That's sort you could make the argument that you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's an argument to be made that

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Speaker 2: so would I. You know, the Rams, I've watched every

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Speaker 1: Through their scripted stuff.

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Speaker 2: They have these quarters where they stall out, where again,

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Speaker 2: if I'm Shanahan, I can just start going to boot stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like watching the Rams, they're susceptible

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Speaker 2: caught by Wilson and there was a penalty and it

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Speaker 3: But will Wilson was all killing them today.

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Speaker 2: This is why they need to, you know, at some

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Speaker 1: Will you remove him? It puts so much pressure on

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Speaker 1: It's a long flight.

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Speaker 2: They just don't have enough good players. Okay, the forty

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Speaker 2: so if Ricky Pierson and Trent Williams play both missed

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Speaker 2: If you speed brock pretty up, you have a chance

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Speaker 1: We'll just wear you down.

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Speaker 1: Basically played a Shanahan game.

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Speaker 2: How many Niners last night, I don't remember. I remember

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Speaker 2: I mean, Seattle beat San Francisco up for three and

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Speaker 2: I just don't think San Francisco's got the AMMO.

434
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: I will say this, and I know the way the

435
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 3: Eagles in that building internalized stuff they do have. They

436
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: think obviously most people do really highly of Kyle. That

437
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 3: is not just an easy coaching staff. We talked about

438
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh getting you just get Kyle Shanahan and Robert

439
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: Sala in the first round. Now, there's only so much

440
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: Robert Sala can do. But Kyle just got embarrassed. You know,

441
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: probably in front of thirty thirty five million people. They

442
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: are gonna have some stuff that they're gonna bring to Philadelphia.

443
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing.

444
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: If you can just make it a little weird, right,

445
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: maybe ten to seven year up at halftime, that place

446
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 3: will start boooning you because they already don't really like

447
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: this team like they don't because they're not an entertaining

448
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 3: team to watch. So if you can get them tight,

449
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 3: that place can get tight. Because this ego season has

450
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: been weird. If I would have told you this today,

451
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: the Bears were gonna lose, he would have said, oh,

452
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: the Eagles are playing Washington even with their backups.

453
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: The Eagles will be the two seed.

454
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: And I look, the Eagles lose. How's that?

455
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: How do you lose? With the Bears losing?

456
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: If I would have been Sirianni and I look up

457
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: and they're down sixteen to nothing, I'm on the headsets. Hey,

458
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 3: we got to dial. We had a chance to be

459
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: the two seed.

460
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 1: That's multiple home games.

461
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 3: That is a massive, massive advantage. They know what they

462
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: I mean, They've been the one seed multiple times. They

463
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 3: understand the power of playing home games in the playoffs.

464
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: Now they might have to go on the road.

465
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: I when I do my herd hararchy, when I do

466
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: my herd hierarchy on Tuesday, I never know what to

467
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: do with Philadelphia.

468
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 1: I don't trust them at all.

469
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't know what to do

470
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 2: with them. I love their talent, I don't know what

471
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: to do with them.

472
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: So I think all the pressure there is on Philly

473
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: and Sirianni and we just know that place. Yes, and

474
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: that's I don't know the game times yet, but i'd

475
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: be I mean, that's got like Sunday Night Football written

476
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: all over it.

477
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: Right.

478
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: If you told me Pierceaal and Trent Williams and kill play,

479
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: that's a good live dog. They'll score, they'll they'll they'll score.

480
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: But God, and you know that of all the games

481
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: we've talked about. So let's transition to this Green Bay

482
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: seven seed Bears, two seed. Yet the Bears have a

483
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: two game losing streak going into the playoffs. It is

484
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: according to hard Rock Bet, it is a pick em.

485
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: It is a pick em. Now here's the advantage for

486
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: the Bears. With Micah Parsons out. They don't generate much

487
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: of a pass rush, right. They got to they got

488
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: to scheme it up like solid. They've got to take

489
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: some chances, compromise the back end of their defense. I

490
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: think I like the Bears in this spot. You know

491
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: it's watching them today, I almost felt like they were overconfident.

492
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: Like they knew they were in the playoffs. Then all

493
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden in the fourth quarter, you're like, okay, touchdown,

494
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: two point conversion. Touchdown two point conversion for the record,

495
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin and Caleb Williams, it is a thing now

496
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: like Holston had a day to day Luther Burden and

497
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: colst At Luther Burden and Caleb that's better now. So

498
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: I like Chicago in this spot. Again, it's a little

499
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: bit of ammo. Green Bay kind of limps into it.

500
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: Would would you roll the dice and take the Bears here?

501
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: I would say both the Eagles and the Bears.

502
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: If you would have told them, hey, you get home

503
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 3: playoff game first round.

504
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: You're the two and three.

505
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: Seed, you know six months ago, but you have to

506
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: play the Green Bay Packers and the San Franco forty

507
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: nine ers, they both would have been like, are you

508
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: kidding me? I think part of it is watching the

509
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: Bears game today. I give them a little bit of

510
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: a pass. They have this devastating loss right to the

511
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 3: forty nine ers on Sunday Night football. You're in the playoffs,

512
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: you're guaranteed a too or you're guaranteed a home game.

513
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: Young team, but their defense, Colin is not very good.

514
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: It might be a little bit better than the forty

515
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: nine ers. There are a lot of parallels there. They're

516
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: for the forty nine ers and the Bears are kind.

517
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: Of carbon copies of each other.

518
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 2: They gave them four hundred and forty yards to Detroit

519
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: today in bad weather.

520
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: There were guys wide open whatever Jared Goff was, Saint

521
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: Brown coming across the middle, Jamis and William coming across

522
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: the middle.

523
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Their dB play that they give up a lot of yards.

524
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: We just saw the.

525
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: Niners score a bunch of points on them. Now can

526
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: Green Bay take advantage of it? It feels like every time

527
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: I look up Green Bays playing and meaningless game. They

528
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: got guys on the ground, so they have a ton

529
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: of injuries that their defense is really banged up. Their offense,

530
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: you know it is Malik Willis a better option right

531
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: now than Jordan Love don't. I don't know, but I

532
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: mean they got a lot of question marks in that organization.

533
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: You got a coach playing for you know, coaching for

534
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 3: a contract extension. But that is a weird. There's not

535
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: a Bears fan you live around a lot of them.

536
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 3: Now they're comfortable with that matchup. You've had this magical season.

537
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: You're the freaking two seed and you get the Green

538
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: Bay Packers. Even if they come limping in and everyone's

539
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 3: gonna be picking you, that's the thing.

540
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be picking the Bears.

541
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: I could just see that thing can get weird as well.

542
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: That I'd say the Packers technically not a dog, but

543
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: a live dog in that situation for being a team

544
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: that no one's gonna pick.

545
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: You know, with Chicago, they have a playmaker at safety.

546
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: They have eleven catches almost one hundred and fifty yards

547
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: to on Sat Brown.

548
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: He was wide dominating.

549
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you look at the NFC, DeVante Adams

550
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: will be back. Aj Brown will be back San Francisco

551
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: with Piersall and Jennings those guys. Those guys are playmakers.

552
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: So Chicago's the kind of team that they're. You know,

553
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: they remind me a little of the Rams, where I

554
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: don't trust the back end of their defense. They can

555
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 2: really unimpress you. And then you look up and the

556
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: Bears in the Rams can put two or three drives

557
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: together in a row in the second half and you're like, okay,

558
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: all right, this is explosive. I mean Caleb still makes throws.

559
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean he made a couple today on those two

560
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: scoring drives.

561
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: Like he is.

562
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: He is, so he's got a physical confidence. Like when

563
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: he rolls back to throw and he's in, he's rolling

564
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: to his right, he's toying with the defensive players, he's

565
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: just kind of playing with him. He's going back and forth.

566
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: He's totally If Stafford rolls right, he's not controlling it.

567
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: He's waiting for somebody to quickly get open. When when

568
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: Caleb rolls right, he he could do a high school

569
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: pivot and say I'm gonna run backwards. I'm just gonna

570
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: buy something like Josh Allen does that occasionally. Like guys,

571
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm controlling this situation. I think I like Chicago in

572
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: this spot. I really do like how Colston Loveland and

573
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: Caleb have really created something special. Like today, it was incredible.

574
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: Every big play at was Colston Loveland. They really used

575
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: their tight ends. Cole comet at a two point conversion.

576
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 3: Two, that place is going to be pretty special on

577
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 3: that in that game. I mean, that's that's we're talking

578
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: about home field advantage. They haven't once, they haven't made

579
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: the playoffs in a while. Definitely haven't made the playoffs

580
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: as a team people think can win a couple of games.

581
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 3: It's that that atmosphere a couple of weeks ago when

582
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: they played Green Bay had to be one of the

583
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 3: more special games of the year just in terms of

584
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: watching it on TV as a viewer. I think there's

585
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 3: a chance that place is absolutely I mean, it's going

586
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: to be rocking. It's going to be really really cool.

587
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: And can they feed into that and maybe that helps

588
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: the defense out a little bit. They just they have

589
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: probably less injuries than Niners, and their talent on defense

590
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: is just not great. You know, the front seven is

591
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: not that good. They don't have a great pass rusher.

592
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: They basically just got to score a bunch of points.

593
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: Will he worked in Chicago radio for a long time.

594
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: Now he's on FS one career as Sunchon. Been fun

595
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: to see. His name is Danny Parkins. So Saturday a

596
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: friend of mine in California, he said, Hey, I take

597
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: my son to a game every year, and we know

598
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: you live in Chicago. Do you want to go to

599
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: the Bears game? I said, it's going to be thirty

600
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: mile hour wind gusts and snowing He's like, it'll be

601
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: so much fun, and I said, when you live in it,

602
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: it's really not that fun, Like I don't ski anymore. So,

603
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: but it is interesting when I look at that Packer game.

604
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: What I think is fascinating is usually when the Packers

605
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: play in a playoff game, they are the story, and

606
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: it's a total Bear story. Ben Johnson, Caleb the Bears

607
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: are literally what everybody is watching for. And my theory

608
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: is the lousy weather benefits the Bears because they have

609
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: one of the best run games. The Packers run game

610
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: isn't as good. The Bears have a better run game,

611
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: a better old line, and I would argue the ability

612
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: for Caleb to just take off is actually usually the

613
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: more skilled offense is at a disadvantage when the weather stinks,

614
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: and I actually think it plays into the bears favor

615
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: And I like Chicago this weekend, and I think they're

616
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: the second best bet on the board after Jacksonville.

617
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot there. Caleb's best game of the

618
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: season and arguably his career, was against Cleveland and their

619
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: defense was very good this year and it was the

620
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: coldest game at Soldier Field in like twenty years. His

621
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: arm is ridiculous, ridiculous. So they now Jordan Love's got

622
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: a very he's got a plus arm.

623
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: So, but like bad conditions should impact Caleb less than

625
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: other players because of his like physical gifts. And then

626
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: everything else you said is absolutely true. Home field, offensive line,

627
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: run game, all of those things. Green Bay's defense also,

628
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, they've lost four straight. Micah got hurt four

629
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: games ago. They have three sacks and no interceptions in

630
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: their last four games down the stretch. That's the Jets.

631
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: The Jets have four sacks and no interceptions. They're the

632
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: only other team in that spot. They're giving up twenty

633
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: eight a game. Like the pack The Bears defense is

634
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: not good, but they lead the league in takeaways, like

635
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: they do make plays. The Packers defense, since losing Micah,

636
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: is just bad. They don't sack the quarterback, they don't

637
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: turn you over. They give up a lot of points.

638
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: So they're just bad and not even opportunistic. But before

639
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: we get into any more hardcore Access knows football, I'm going,

640
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, Colin, you didn't even text me back.

641
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: I texted you and said, hey, I'm flying in Saturday morning,

642
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: do you want to grab lunch? And now I'm going

643
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: with my with my buddies and we're gonna get lunch.

644
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: So unless you want to come hang out with some

645
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: of us as we start boozing, you're more than welcome.

646
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: But Colin, I hate going to NFL games. Hate it.

647
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: It's expensive. People fight, Yeah, the traffic is miserable. I

648
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: think it's crazy that this game ended up on Saturday

649
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: instead of on Sunday. And there's been great reporting as

650
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: to like how the TV networks divvied up these games

651
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: and why Prime got the excellent game that is Bear's Packers.

652
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: But when I saw that it was Saturday night in

653
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Chicago and I could fly in Saturday morning, fly back

654
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: to New York Sunday morning, be back in time to

655
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: watch all the Sunday games and go and not miss

656
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: anything by going to this Bears Packers game, this is

657
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: going to be a special thing. Like it's going to

658
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable, it's going to be cold, but I I

659
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: havered double seats. I am right behind the Bears bench

660
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: like so I'm out in the elements, but like first

661
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: row behind the Bears bench. I have not been this

662
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: excited to go to an NFL game since I was

663
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: like a child like, I am very, very excited to

664
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: be there. It's because because your friend is correct, like,

665
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: it's going to be a it's gonna be an experience.

666
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be miserably cold and windy. I'm actually rooting

667
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: for it to be cold because I don't want it

668
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: to be If it's gonna I don't want it to

669
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: be rain like. I'd much rather it be snowing than rain. Yeah,

670
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: just for like comfort in the stadium. So if it's

671
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: like thirty three in raining, that's gonna be miserable, give

672
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: me twenty three in snow. Yeah, the thirty rain. But

673
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's good Bears Packers Soldier Field, Bears

674
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: as the two seed, feeling like we are not out

675
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: coached and we are not out quarterbacked. I remember watching

676
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: football for the first time in nineteen ninety two, being

677
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: six years old. My old my dad, and my older

678
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: brother raised in Wisconsin, diehard Packers fans. Ninety two is

679
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: Brett Favre's first year in Green Bay. I've never seen

680
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: the Bears have a better quarterback than the Packers my

681
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: whole life. So the idea that like this game could

682
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: be like the beginning of the rivalry being real, and

683
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: that's the floor where the ceiling is like passing of

684
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: a torch to like an era of the Bears being

685
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: the hammer and the Packers being the nail. I'm just

686
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this game. I had to be there.

687
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of the things about running a

688
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: Northern tier team, and I've said this for years, Danny,

689
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: there's never been a dome dynasty in the NFL. There's

690
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: never been a warm weather dynasty.

691
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, that's interesting.

692
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan Marino, one of the Cowboys. Uh, go there

693
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: in the winter. It's not that warm, it's it's you know,

694
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: they've got I went to a Super Bowl there were ice,

695
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: sheets of ice were falling off the stadium.

696
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: That was yes, sure, yes, okay.

697
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: So I don't consider I consider warm you know, Miami, Arizona,

698
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: an LA team, Jacksonville, there's never been a warm weather dynasty.

699
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: And so the NFL success has gone through cold, crappy weather.

700
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this the other day. Ben

701
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: Johnson's a real sharp guy. Ben Johnson. I think New

702
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: Listen it's not named the Windy City because of the win.

703
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: That's because of politicians years ago. Nonetheless, and Baltimore's always

704
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: done this, and New England did this. Don't worry too

705
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: much about deep threats. They went and got a center,

706
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: two guards, and a tight end and a slot receiver.

707
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: And why those guys can operate under sixteen yards? Now,

708
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: Caleb has a power arm. But even if you have

709
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: a power arm Saturday, it may not matter. And I

710
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: think what one of the quiet pieces of Ben Johnson,

711
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: unst dated pieces of Ben Johnson's brilliance. He built this

712
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: team to play in crappy weather. This is an excellent

713
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: crappy weather team. For the record, so is Philadelphia Saquon Barkley,

714
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: good tight ends, excellent O line. So Seattle, by the way,

715
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Darnald big arm. They went and drafted a tight end,

716
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: two running backs, really only one receiver. So I think,

717
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: what makes you you know we always think of Green Bay.

718
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: I mean Green BAYO is far of big arm, Aaron

719
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: big arm, Love big arm, Flacco big arm, Lamar not

720
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: so much Mahomes big arm. I think Chicago is if

721
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: the weather is lousy for the next three weeks. I

722
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: think the Bears are completely built for you. For the record,

723
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 2: Detroit wasn't where Ben was at because Gof's not good

724
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: in that weather, but they were they were indoors. So

725
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: I always feel like when golf goes outside, the odds change.

726
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: So I know a lot of people go back and forth,

727
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: but I in the last twelve hours, I'm like big Jacksonville,

728
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: Big Chicago, and I do like Mike Tomlin Monday now

729
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: that DK Metcalf comes back. So those are the three

730
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: I feel strongest about. Do you have two to three

731
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: that you really feel most strongly about?

732
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Well, so one that you didn't mention is my favorite,

733
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: and it's Chargers plus three and a half. Wow, I think, yeah,

734
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: so you and j Mack love that. So I don't

735
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: know if I love that. No, Like, obviously three in

736
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: the hook is a big deal. Like it's obviously a

737
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: very important number in the gambling space, So that is

738
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: a piece of it. I think Jacksonville wanted New England

739
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: because they know, Okay, two of our most expensive players

740
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: and two of our best players Alton Slater, are out

741
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: for the year. You take two of the four highest

742
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: paid players off any team, it's going to decimate him. Yes,

743
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Now you say they play the same position and their

744
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: job is to protect your most expensive and important player,

745
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: and it's a death blow, like anyone who has been

746
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: hit the number of times that Herbert has been hit,

747
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: who has made the playoffs in the last thirty years,

748
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: They've all lost in the wildcard round, Like it is

749
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be a fatal flaw of a team if

750
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: you can't stop your quarterback from getting hit. Well, New

751
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: England's defense is not good. They're statistically okay in some areas,

752
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: but they haven't played anybody, and when you dig into

753
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: it just a little bit, like good quarterbacks have been

754
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: efficient against them and have at least moved the ball,

755
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: and their pass rush numbers are not good. Now a

756
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: lot of that is, you know, they don't even really

757
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: need to. They're not playing from behind, they're not gearing

758
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: up and going after it. There's some prevent stuff. There's

759
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: been a lot of blowouts. Sure, I'll concede that. But

760
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: I think Denver is a worst matchup for the Chargers.

761
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: I think Houston is a worst matchup.

762
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: For Houston's a bad matchup.

763
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Denver's pass rush almost beat the eighty

764
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: four Bears record, right, I mean the Chargers beat them

765
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: in a twenty three to twenty game where Herbert was

766
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: incredible but he got hit and abused and sacked and

767
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: like he was. They were lucky to win that game.

768
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: But I just think that they looked at it and

769
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: they said, we'll rest our guys in week eighteen, and

770
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: we'll play a team that really hasn't played much of

771
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: anybody this year and will run on them, and we'll

772
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: protect Justin and Justin Herbert won't be staring at the

773
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: ceiling the whole game because their pass rush isn't great.

774
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: So I just I think New England having the easiest

775
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: schedule of any team since the ninety nine Rams is something,

776
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: and I think their pass rush not being very good

777
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: is something. And I think Herbert, like you do, is

778
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: a superstar. So I really like them to I think

779
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna win the game, but I'll certainly take them

780
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: plus three and a half.

781
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the Lamar Jackson thing.

782
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: So listen, eighteen years is a long time to be

783
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: a CEO of a company like that's just a long time.

784
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: And the Harballs are They're intense, like intense personalities. Jim

785
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: and John I could see six eight years in and

786
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: San Francisco. You know, Jim was wearing people out and

787
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: Stanford he did, and I think this Jim is much

788
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: more chill. Maybe the Harballs need to get to sixty

789
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: and John Harball has never been quite as intense. But

790
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: I think John'll go win somewhere and Lamar will win.

791
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: But it is interesting with Lamar because I was saying

792
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: this today. They sat down with a meeting, and I

793
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: don't think the intent was to run John Harbaugh out.

794
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: But if you're John Harbaugh, you're like, Okay, listen, I

795
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: was eight and four in the playoffs pre Lamar. I'm

796
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: three and six with him. He's missed a full season

797
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: of games. I don't know what he actually is right

798
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: now because it's not what it used to be. And

799
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Cam Newton's last Pro Bowl was at twenty like, but

800
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: Lamar is so wildly worshiped and loved in Baltimore. He's

801
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: unmovable and that and by the way, Mahomes is Alan

802
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: is Lamar is. You could move almost every quarterback and

803
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: I'm serious, there's about I mean, now, Herbert in LA

804
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: would be tough, but the truth is La is so chill,

805
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: you know. But I mean, like Lamar is on a

806
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: short list of you just can't move them. But my

807
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: point is what what what do you think next year?

808
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: Because remember, hyper athletic quarterbacks age faster. That's not disputable.

809
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: Old guys, Aaron, Stafford, Brady, don't you can play into

810
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: your fort I thought Aaron second half last week was

811
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: the best he's played in three years. I thought he

812
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: was outstanding. What do you think Lamar is going forward?

813
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: Because I think deep down he would never say it publicly,

814
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: but Lamar didn't throw out in all of Ranch when

815
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: he got fired, and that story got leaked to the

816
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: writer in Baltimore, and it didn't come from Lamar's side.

817
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: And my take is the untold story is Harbough asked

818
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: some questions about Lamar, like what are we going Ford?

819
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: He's got a seventy four million dollar capt My ask

820
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: to you is next year and beyond. Do you believe

821
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: Lamar is what we saw this year, a slower, more tackleable,

822
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: more defendable version of what he was three years ago.

823
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, he arguably should have won MVP

824
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: last year. You know, like it was a very close

825
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: MVP race with him and Josh Allen last year. So

826
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: we're not that far removed from Lamar. You know, he

827
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: was what forty one touchdowns and four picks or something stupid.

828
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: But again, athletic quarterbacks age fast. No, no, absolutely, Ben

829
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: just fell off a cliff.

830
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I would not want to be tied to

831
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Lamar for his thirties. But like he turned twenty nine today,

832
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: I think that it's totally reasonable to say his age

833
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: twenty nine, thirty thirty one thirty two seasons that you'd

834
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: be thrilled and could win a Super Bowl in two

835
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: of those four years, you know, like it. And so

836
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: because he has gotten better as a passer, I think

837
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: his what the next coach's biggest challenge is going to

838
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: be is figuring out how much of his improvement as

839
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: a passer was because teams had to defend against him

840
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: as a runner and Mike just like because like his

841
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: mobility makes you have to put in spies and keep

842
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: eyes on the quarterback and so that it makes it

843
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: easier to pass the football. He doesn't just drop back

844
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: and pass it like Matt Stafford, and he never will.

845
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: And so as that athleticism wanes, how much is his

846
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: passing efficiency going to wane? And my guess is a

847
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: significant amount. Ye Like, well, I don't think Lamar is

848
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: going to be. You know, I don't think he's gonna

849
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: win another MVP award, and I do think that he

850
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: will be good enough in the short term to be

851
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: competitive because of how talented that roster is and the

852
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: other like, because I think also what you're asking is, like,

853
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: how attractive is the Baltimore job. It's a great organization.

854
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's I think it's the best job

855
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: opening in for since since green Bay. But green Bay

856
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: doesn't have an owner and they've got their own obstacles

857
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: and things to deal with. I mean, green Bay third

858
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 2: year in a row, youngest team, why they don't sign

859
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: free agents much. So, right, Baltimore's as good a job

860
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: as that's been opening years.

861
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you, But like if you are skeptical

862
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: of what Lamar is gonna be, and you're gonna have

863
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: to pay him seventy million dollars.

864
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: So I'm not skeptical. I think you get two more

865
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: really really high end years. But my guess is the

866
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: Lamar that was freakishly hard to corner, I don't think

867
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: we'll see that. I think we'll see highly effective eleven

868
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: and six can win the division. But I do think

869
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: I think it's a reasonable take that twenty nine years

870
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: old for his stylistically, I think he's got two really

871
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: good years left. I wouldn't bet on four. I think

872
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: at thirty three is not the same player.

873
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I agree with that, and I said,

874
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: like two of the next four because you know, maybe

875
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: he hurts his back next year or whatever. But I

876
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: think I also think that athletes now they're just better, yeah, right,

877
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: And so I think we have to kind of like

878
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: it used to be, like running backs after twenty seven,

879
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't want those guys now. Derrick Henry is still

880
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: a top six back in the NFL. You know. Now

881
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: he's an Adrian Peterson cyborg. But like Christian McCaffrey used to,

882
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: just higher than it's ever been. Like, we have to

883
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: like adjust it a little bit, like because Cam Newton

884
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: took hits in a way that Lamar doesn't take hits

885
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: right now, bigger athlete, but he was one yard touchdowns

886
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger low his shoulder. That's not what Lamar is.

887
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: Like.

888
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: You can still be just if you are a good

889
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: escape artist, even if you're not running to scramble, just

890
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: like running to evade the pressure, extend the plays. You

891
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: can still be effective. So yeah, two of the next

892
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: four years, I think you have a top ten quarterback

893
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, and you can you can win a Super

894
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Bowl with that, and then when you add in all

895
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: the other talent there, how well they draft. What coach

896
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: Manjini keeps talking about though, is he's like, what people

897
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: underrate is when you're there for eighteen years, it's not

898
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: like a coach who was there for three and gets fired.

899
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: He's like, you're you're either just doing more of what

900
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: John Harball was doing or you're changing everything. But the

901
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: pr was how Harball wanted it, the food was how

902
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Harball wanted it, the training staff, all those things. So

903
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated into, like the profile of who the next

904
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: coach of the Ravens is, Like, can it be a

905
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: first time head coach?

906
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: No I said this today. They don't need their culture change.

907
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: They have one of the best cultures. They need somebody

908
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: that works with Lamar as he ages Stefanski. Yeah, the

909
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: New York Giants need a Vabel, they need a culture changer.

910
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: This will probably go viral so years ago I forget

911
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: who was doing this, but somebody ranked the best thirty

912
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: dunks of all time, and they eliminated the Vince Carter

913
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: jumping over the Chinese national team center. So we're gonna

914
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: take that one out because it automatically wins. You jumped

915
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: over a seven foot man, and so somebody took that

916
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: out and started it. So I'm gonna take Andy Reid

917
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: out of this question because he's almost Belichickian. Now it's

918
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: sort of understood. It's silly. His resume is better his play.

919
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: So let's take Andy Reid out of this and let's

920
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: go rank the coaches until we get to Ben Johnson.

921
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: Okay, so I would go Max.

922
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: So, okay, I'm gonna go McVeigh one.

923
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: That's fine. Shanahan too, boy, Jim Harbaugh's good. Jim Harbor's good.

924
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor Jim Jim Harbaugh is Jim Harbor is very good.

925
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: And I know, I know you love him.

926
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, here's why Shanahan gets docked for me? Okay, why

927
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: doesn't he come? Why is he bad? Second half trailing?

928
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: Because he has the best play sheet in the league,

929
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: and he gets glued to his play sheet. He has

930
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: the best he is that's that that is the most

931
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 2: sophisticated play sheet in the league, and the best play caller,

932
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: but he there are certain things, you know. I always

933
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: had my Aaron Rodgers theory. Why does he have so

934
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: few come from behind wins in the fourth fewer than

935
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: Derek Carr? Why because Aaron's mood changes after a pick

936
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: or two. He literally his mood changes, you can see it,

937
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: his body language changes. He has a bizarre few come

938
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: from behind wins. He I always said, he's not a

939
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Foxhole guy. He is a baller but a little bit

940
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: of a Baylor.

941
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but okay, I but I love this, so

942
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I want to just like stay on it. Like the

943
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: guy went to a super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo and

944
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: rock Party. I feel like it's like that's the only

945
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: argument I need. Like Kyle Shanahan, if you can go

946
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl with the last pick in the draft.

947
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're putting him third, you're putting him second.

948
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but okay, fine, okay, but my but my thing. Okay,

949
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: So now Harbaugh, Harbor wins everywhere he goes everywhere, is

950
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: a great culture guy. I don't know, man, I don't know.

951
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Like Ben Johnson calls the plays, well, yeah, but can.

952
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: We can we have him go through a full season before.

953
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like Jim Harbaugh runs a little bit

954
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 1: too much for my liking, Like he kicks field goals

955
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: a little too often for my liking. Okay, I'm just

956
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like there's it's just it's a little

957
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is we've reached the point of the list.

958
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: We've reached the point of the list where you're gonna

959
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: at least get me to start making some arguments for

960
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: my guys.

961
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that's okay. So I'm like McVeigh, Harbaugh, Shanahan's lack

962
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: of second half comebacks bothers me. Shanahan third, Mike Rabel, four,

963
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, I would probably I think Peyton's so good.

964
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's all inches here to me,

965
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: like I it's inches, it's not feet.

966
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: And so I have a question about Mike Rabel. Okay,

967
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm a question about Mike Rabel. He wins in Tennessee.

968
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: With that political bad ownership.

969
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: With with with Prime Derrick Henry and AJ Brown, yeah, and

970
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. I okay, but they had one great year

971
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: and it ended poorly, and yes there was politicking and

972
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: all of that he is clearly a smart coach. He

973
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: is clearly you know, he plays on the edges like Belichick,

974
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: Like he knows the rules backwards and forwards, which I

975
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: really respect. Josh McDaniels is a top offensive coordinator. Like

976
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: how lucky is that? And maybe it's not luck, it's

977
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: relationship and Patriots and all that stuff, but like he

978
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: has the best offensive coordinator situation you can have, because

979
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: it seems like Josh McDaniels can't be a head coach,

980
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: right but he's clearly Like if we were going to

981
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: say best play callers in the game, and again we're

982
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: removing Andy Reid, like Josh McDaniels is probably in the

983
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: top five, right Like he Josh McDaniels is. I think he's.

984
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: I think he's probably he and Brian Floores are the

985
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: best coordinators in the game right now.

986
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so, just like you gave him an incredible

987
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: quarterback and an incredible play caller, and an incredible play caller,

988
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: won't leave because he can't be a head coach. I

989
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: just I'll just tell you this right now. I wouldn't

990
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: trade Ben Johnson for Mike Rabel. Okay, that one wouldn't

991
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: be hard.

992
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so the difference between you and I. I get

993
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: to seven and I'm willing to consider Ben Johnson, So

994
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: I go McVeigh, Jim Harbaughs, Shanahan, Peyton Vrabel, and Mike McDonald.

995
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald took over. I think he's I think he's

996
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: McVeigh on the defensive side. So I get to seven,

997
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: and I could argue, I like Demiko Ryans, but I

998
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: do prefer offense over defense. I would go Ben Johnson

999
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: seven and then Demko Ryans eight, and then I'd probably

1000
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: go I mean, we have to put Mike Tomlin in

1001
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: there because goddamn one is division again.

1002
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: It's so I would the who am I missing?

1003
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: Now?

1004
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Listen, you know some people would say Matt Lafleur, he's good.

1005
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: I would good. I would take I would take Ben

1006
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: Johnson over him. Listen, I think I think not. It's

1007
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: very early, but well, Liam Cohen is doing and Jacksonville's very,

1008
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: very impressive.

1009
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: I would like him to finish the season.

1010
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: But I agree. Yeah, I'm just saying if I'm going

1011
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: to have Ben Johnson up there, like, because I'm giving

1012
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen a lot of credit for what Baker did

1013
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: you know? So like that.

1014
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: Here's what's funny. Sean McDermott has a higher winning percentage

1015
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: than Andy Reid and Belichick. I'm at nine and I

1016
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: don't have Sean McDermott. That tells you the depth and coaching.

1017
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen and Nick Sirianni has like the highest

1018
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: win percentage ever and everyone's like, yeah, but it's a

1019
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: super team, so like we can we can parse some

1020
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: stuff here. Sean Payton's great. I would take Ben Johnson

1021
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: because of age, like I think you have him for longer.

1022
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: McDonald is incredible. McDonell. And what the Seahawks did in

1023
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: that Week eighteen game against the Niners, Oh, it.

1024
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: Was one of the more It's amazing it was only

1025
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: thirteen to three because it felt thirty to three. That

1026
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: is the knock I have on Seattle is that they

1027
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: physically dominate teams. And in the last six weeks, you're like,

1028
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 2: I feel like you left fourteen points on the yeah

1029
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: on the floor.

1030
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that I mean that JSN is forty percent of

1031
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: their offense, and you fully trust their court, Like, I

1032
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: mean they clearly sometimes call plays to hide Donald making mistakes.

1033
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: They'll like snap throw like one read throws like they'll

1034
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: like roll them out left and look back right and

1035
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: there's one and it's like throw it to him or

1036
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: throw it away. So they they they they clearly don't

1037
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: fully trust Donald, even though they say everything publicly, like

1038
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: their actions in their play calling when he gets a

1039
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: little shakey suggested. But yeah, McDonald doing that. I mean,

1040
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: we looked it up on the show. Fewest yards ever

1041
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: for a Kyle Shanahan offense since he'd been the head

1042
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: coach in San Francisco, fewest rushing yards for McCaffrey since

1043
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: he got with Shanahan, and tied for the fewest points

1044
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: for Shanahan since he had been in San Francisco since

1045
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: his first game. Shanahan's first game in San Francisco in

1046
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, they scored three points and then they held

1047
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: him to three points when they had been the number

1048
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: one offense in football since week eleven when Purdy came back,

1049
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: they were averaging thirty five. The game they play a

1050
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: must win game against the division opponent they know, and

1051
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: they get held to one hundred and seventy four yards

1052
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: and three points. So, yeah, McDonald is excellent. Like to me,

1053
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: the coach of the Year this year, is fascinating Vrabel,

1054
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen, McDonald's Shanahan with all the injuries,

1055
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: there's you know, Peyton obviously getting the one seed. There's

1056
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: big names, there's history. Guys McDonald's probably I think he

1057
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: deserves it this year and that's over my guy, Ben Johnson.

1058
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: The volume