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Speaker 1: would like. So today we're talking about food nut bombs,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about mutual aid. And if you didn't
Speaker 1: listen to the first half of this episode, you are
Speaker 1: missing out on us puntivacating about Catholic theology for a moment,
Speaker 1: and also about why were or at least why I'm
Speaker 1: not excited about people dressing up as homeless people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just so like a classic of
Speaker 2: the genre. But I know, yeah, right, I know, so
Speaker 2: the street theater kind of always has that element to it.
Speaker 2: I guess, just.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, it's not a high art form, and
Speaker 1: that is both its advantage and disadvantage, both artistically and politically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so where we.
Speaker 1: Last left our heroes. They're feeding people every week. They're
Speaker 1: collecting donations from all over the city and delivering free
Speaker 1: groceries everywhere because they think that people might need free groceries.
Speaker 1: And then they're taking what's left over and making a
Speaker 1: ton of free food and feeding people in the park.
Speaker 1: And this is just a good thing to do. No notes,
Speaker 1: the city is less convinced that it's a good thing
Speaker 1: to do, or at least they don't like the other
Speaker 1: stuff that these same activists are doing, like sticking their
Speaker 1: noses into every protest and action that they possibly can,
Speaker 1: fighting every good fight that they come across. So so
Speaker 1: Keith McHenry, one of the founders of food nut Bombs,
Speaker 1: the main person who's written all this history, who's actually
Speaker 1: really cool most of the time. He doesn't like that
Speaker 1: he's getting harassed by the city, Like he's getting harassed
Speaker 1: a lot by the city. Apparently he's being kind of
Speaker 1: threatened by the city. Don't totally know what that, don't
Speaker 1: know exactly, So he fucks off, He fucks off to
Speaker 1: San Francisco and Food Up Bombs Boston keeps going without him,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty seven he starts Food Up Bombs
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and not long after, some people in Long Beach,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if you all knew this, but
Speaker 1: Long Beach is not actually the name of a beach
Speaker 1: in LA. It turns out apparently it's its own city.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Andrew, did you know that Los Angeles resident.
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I assume it is also a
Speaker 2: beach though, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is Los Angeles an actual city or is it just
Speaker 1: a Hollywood fabrication?
Speaker 2: Yes? So, yeah, definitely both. A is a ridiculous city
Speaker 2: as far as that goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, completely agree.
Speaker 1: Okay, does cool Zone media have an official stance on
Speaker 1: whether or not it's choe for me to spread conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories like LA is a real place and not just
Speaker 1: a Hollywood fabrication, because that's the conspiracy. Go for it.
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is a real place. Stage wink at the
Speaker 1: audience that they can't see I'm describing it.
Speaker 2: Y'all can't see shit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So, some people in Long Beach, legally
Speaker 1: distinct from Los Angeles, started food not Bombs, and they
Speaker 1: were nervous about stealing the name food nut Bombs, so
Speaker 1: they started calling it bread not Bombs. But then they
Speaker 1: got in touch with food nut Bombs and food nut
Speaker 1: Bombs like, oh my god, we don't care that rules
Speaker 1: use food not bombs, so they become food nut Bombs,
Speaker 1: and food nut Bombs writes up a little how to
Speaker 1: Get Started zine and they start passing it around. By
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, there's thirty chapters. I had a conference
Speaker 1: and decided on the three basic principles that I mentioned
Speaker 1: at the beginning of Monday's episode, free veggie based food,
Speaker 1: autonomous groups, nonviolence. And then they put out the first
Speaker 1: edition of a book called food Nut Bombs that explains
Speaker 1: the whole thing very direct titlers. I appreciate a good
Speaker 1: direct title. So the group explodes in popularity after this.
Speaker 1: Two years later, nineteen ninety four, six hundred people attended
Speaker 1: international gathering in San Francisco, and they're representing the US, Canada, Mexico,
Speaker 1: and various countries in Europe. And Okay, my theory is
Speaker 1: that the only downside of the popularity food Net Bombs
Speaker 1: is that we had to go through as activists the
Speaker 1: whole generation of slogans with names that are like bikes
Speaker 1: not bombs, homes not jails, food not lawn, solidarity not charity,
Speaker 1: the something not something. I really appreciate that, y'all's is
Speaker 1: something and something like. I feel like that's a really
Speaker 1: positive development.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't around for the genesis of it. I
Speaker 2: have no idea how any of that came to be,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that is actually a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were.
Speaker 2: We were at a protest recently, and I hadn't been
Speaker 2: involved in the early days of it when it was
Speaker 2: mostly protest support for solidarity snacks mentioned last episode.
Speaker 1: Which people can financially support, Yes, we.
Speaker 2: Need uh or the fund is getting We only have
Speaker 2: a couple more Saturdays left unless we get more funds,
Speaker 2: which hopefully will come in. But I didn't realize that
Speaker 2: the like cart that my friend used initially to start
Speaker 2: the whole thing is like was like well known amongst people. Really,
Speaker 2: people were like, Oh, it's the cart, know you, it's
Speaker 2: the cart. That's cool, pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, something and something that is my that
Speaker 1: is my endorsement society.
Speaker 2: It's a new a new riggule on the on the format.
Speaker 1: We've progressed past the need for things, not the other
Speaker 1: thing that said, all of those things that I named,
Speaker 1: like home's not jails, homes not jails, rules, and I
Speaker 1: actually almost did a whole thing about them, but I
Speaker 1: ran out of time. They're like people who, well, they
Speaker 1: do kind of what they say. They they open up
Speaker 1: squads and.
Speaker 2: Are great. It's often just the like, just another pass
Speaker 2: at the copy, that's all usually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally exactly what we need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the main issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's why I would like to propose
Speaker 1: a new something and something food and bombs for people
Speaker 1: who want to kill the Czar of Russia. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to kill the Czar of Russia, it
Speaker 1: has been proven empirically, through trial and error a lot
Speaker 1: of air that the most effective way to kill the
Speaker 1: Czar of Russia is with bombs. So just saying putting
Speaker 1: that out there, please don't actually do that and then
Speaker 1: say that I had anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so your mouth's shut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, no fucking snitches and food and bombs, all right,
Speaker 1: So food out bombs. It's getting super popular with people
Speaker 1: who like to eat food, But there are people who
Speaker 1: hate fun and freedom and people having nice things like
Speaker 1: food who are waiting in the wings. And these people,
Speaker 1: of course, best known as the government and the cops.
Speaker 1: This conflict first arises in a serious way in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight in San Francisco. You've got this mayor. He's
Speaker 1: super progressive. His name's Art Agnos. He ran on how
Speaker 1: environmental and feminist and pro union and shit.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: Spoiler. Okay, So he comes in during an intense period
Speaker 1: of gentrification of San Francisco and it's starting to change
Speaker 1: it into the yuppie hell hole we all know and
Speaker 1: love today. He wants to solve the homelessness crisis, and
Speaker 1: he starts off with some decent ideas about how to
Speaker 1: solve the homelessness crisis. He wants to build low income housing,
Speaker 1: which of course always gets complicated but is not inherently wrong.
Speaker 1: He also makes sleeping bands, and then he revives a
Speaker 1: nineteenth century law against lying down in public place with
Speaker 1: camping gear. Because you know that the government's doing something
Speaker 1: good when they find a law that has not been
Speaker 1: enforced in one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, so you should look at the laws,
Speaker 2: the other laws from that year and just see what else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, Like if this is who you're in company with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't be. These were not good legislators.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they're like, and here's the law against the
Speaker 1: following racial Oh wait no, Tessa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, but that's not for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's the sweet spot. That is the heyday
Speaker 2: of the Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think San Francisco is like a started being all
Speaker 1: the like like Chinese folks don't come here in the
Speaker 1: late nineteenth century, I think. Yeah, and hooray, America has
Speaker 1: a really cool history and present so wild the other thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, go ahead, Oh no, they're just recapping for
Speaker 2: my brain, all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the laws back, Yeah, the laws back, and
Speaker 1: he starts sending out cops two sweep parks full of
Speaker 1: homeless folks. Fuck art agnos. He's not progressive, he claims it,
Speaker 1: and and everyone I think starts seeing him as basically like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's the classic democrat. He is a bait and switch.
Speaker 1: He gets elected by progressives because the elector the people
Speaker 1: who vote a manner are progressives, and then he serves
Speaker 1: neoliberalism instead. Hooray and funup bomb shows up on the
Speaker 1: scene around the same time as art Agnos and Fun
Speaker 1: not Bombs. At the beginning, they weren't even trying to
Speaker 1: be controversial. They actually applied for a permit and did
Speaker 1: all of the paperwork and all that stuff. But the
Speaker 1: local business owners were like, no, you can't have homeless
Speaker 1: people eating food in public, as if there's some other
Speaker 1: place for people who don't have houses to eat food.
Speaker 1: So they pressure the city. The city denies the perbit,
Speaker 1: and Food Out Bombs rolls over and accepts it and
Speaker 1: ends as an organization. And wait, no, they say fuck it,
Speaker 1: and they feed people food anyway, and they start to
Speaker 1: get arrested for it, like a lot, Like in the
Speaker 1: first few months, there's almost one hundred arrests. It becomes
Speaker 1: an assembly line. Someone lines up to get a free meal.
Speaker 1: Someone scoops food onto the plate of the person who's
Speaker 1: there for a free meal, and the cops arrest the
Speaker 1: person who serves the food. So the next server steps
Speaker 1: up and feeds the next person in line and gets arrested.
Speaker 1: And and they just do this right because they're not
Speaker 1: afraid of civil disobedience. They do what's right, not what's safe.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also truly like you know, obviously, if you're
Speaker 2: a fucking cop, you are the worst human being. But
Speaker 2: like it's hard to have it more like in your face,
Speaker 2: what a fucking discussing piece oftion you are? Yeah, that day,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the fight is about food, I guess
Speaker 1: kind of, but not really. It's it's about more than that.
Speaker 1: It's about who controls public space. Are the parks controlled
Speaker 1: by the government or are they controlled by the people
Speaker 1: who make use of the park. And the government, of
Speaker 1: course tends to believe that they're the ones who get
Speaker 1: to control the park, but I would argue, if you've
Speaker 1: ever been to a park, you know that that's not
Speaker 1: the case. The politics of a park are remapped daily
Speaker 1: by the people who are there. Like there might not
Speaker 1: be a sign up that says don't skateboard on the
Speaker 1: basketball court, but like the basketball court most of the
Speaker 1: time is for basketball players and who have their own
Speaker 1: structures about who decides which courts are being used, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I mean, parks are beautiful because there
Speaker 1: are these informal organizational spots that happen daily all over
Speaker 1: the world. I don't know, It's like one thing I
Speaker 1: miss about living in cities and yeah.
Speaker 2: Or just like like the like the yeah, the politics
Speaker 2: of any like public place are like so interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's totally. You can make all the rules you want,
Speaker 2: but those aren't the rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And you know, and people who have no
Speaker 1: private space to return to, they're going to use public space,
Speaker 1: which makes sense, right, And I've never had to deal
Speaker 1: with homelessness. I used to be a traveling activist, but
Speaker 1: that was my choice. Is very structurally different. But I
Speaker 1: remember this one time I was taking a nap and
Speaker 1: a van in a parking lot and it was really hot,
Speaker 1: so I opened the doors, and I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about how, like I could now get in trouble. It'd
Speaker 1: be perfectly legal for me to park my van and
Speaker 1: get out of it and leave my van in this
Speaker 1: public space. But now that I'm sleeping in it, it's sketchy.
Speaker 1: But even more than that, it seems so weird to
Speaker 1: me that if I didn't have a car, I can't
Speaker 1: just set my stuff down in this public space that
Speaker 1: is meant for holding stuff, right, is a public spaceman
Speaker 1: for people to leave their car and walk away. And
Speaker 1: it just sort of like hits me.
Speaker 2: It's a magic of a car yeah, used in a
Speaker 2: certain way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then even if you have a car, if
Speaker 1: you don't have a private space to then take it
Speaker 1: home to later, you're not usually not allowed to park
Speaker 1: it anywhere. And it I don't know whatever, This isn't
Speaker 1: news to anyone probably that there's a lot of laws
Speaker 1: against homelessness that I wish I had the quote in
Speaker 1: front of me, but I don't. There's that quote about
Speaker 1: the law and it's it's uh, it's awesome equality. Uh
Speaker 1: outlaws both the poor and the rich from like pissing
Speaker 1: in the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: The law is like perfectly fair, like like no one
Speaker 2: is permitted to sleep under the bridge or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And La specifically, they've they've come out with all these
Speaker 3: like where they pretend like it's not trying to do
Speaker 3: that type laws where they're like like recently La City
Speaker 3: Council approved an ordinance where it's like bike repair on
Speaker 3: the street is now illegal and yeah, and then they
Speaker 3: were like, what what do you mean this has not
Speaker 3: this has nothing to do with you know, the unhoused communities.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and you know, anybody that that reads it is
Speaker 3: like just be honest, Yeah, what are you what do
Speaker 3: you what do you mean? And uh, you know, there's
Speaker 3: there's so many different things. It's like putting boulders under
Speaker 3: freeway underpasses and things like that. They're like, oh no,
Speaker 3: it's to prevent and they make up some lights like yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw a bat there once, and I don't want
Speaker 1: people to get rabies. So that's why there's a boulder.
Speaker 3: It's like, just treat people with dignity. Don't be so.
Speaker 2: Politicians.
Speaker 1: We'll just being gloves off and be like we want
Speaker 1: our clean city. Actually, don't do that either. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: That's nice, Like like oh.
Speaker 2: I I prefer the open fascists, Like it's like sort
Speaker 2: of it's glib, but yeah, don't tump them.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm not looking forward to that stage.
Speaker 2: It's like always like, oh I just prefer when people
Speaker 2: are say what they really believe. It's like I promise.
Speaker 1: You you don't yeah, totally, I know.
Speaker 3: I know. We were talking about like Democrats that run
Speaker 3: with these liberal policies and it's like, oh no, you're
Speaker 3: a Republican and like that sucks. But but having like
Speaker 3: the actual fascist run on fat like yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like that, like, oh, I prefer it at least
Speaker 2: I know where I stand. It's like, no, it's not
Speaker 2: such of where you stand is like such a valueless thing.
Speaker 1: And also like right, like when everyone had to be
Speaker 1: quiet about them slightly more quiet about their racism and shit,
Speaker 1: I think it made fewer young racists because if you
Speaker 1: can't pass it on as this contagion, racism is a contagion.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, truly it is like like that, that
Speaker 2: is like the thing it's like for all like the
Speaker 2: you know, subconscious or like quiet racism, Like it truly
Speaker 2: is better. It is just better. Yeah, a better society
Speaker 2: where at least they have to experience some sort of
Speaker 2: shame or second guessing themselves. Yeah, I'm not saying it's good,
Speaker 2: but it's better than the alternative. It certainly is that
Speaker 2: totally okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so all these people are getting arrested because
Speaker 1: the city is real clear how they want to control space.
Speaker 1: They're like, we control the parks. There's actually all these
Speaker 1: quotes from different city council people that are like or
Speaker 1: you know, from the city government that's like and cops
Speaker 1: that are like, we control these parks, not these homeless
Speaker 1: people and these anarchists or like they're making a political statement.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, yeah, of course, feeding people in
Speaker 1: a society where there's people going hungry, dying in the
Speaker 1: streets as a political statement, like this shouldn't be happening
Speaker 1: is a political statement because the current political system isn't working.
Speaker 2: Also like pathetic, that is the like, yeah, you're scared
Speaker 2: of political statements?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. So the civil disobedience works, and after
Speaker 1: a few months, the city sits down to negotiate with
Speaker 1: them and gives them a temporary permit. They have to
Speaker 1: like move a couple blocks over to like get it
Speaker 1: out of I think they're in Golden Gate Park at
Speaker 1: this point. They have to go a few blocks away,
Speaker 1: so they're like lesson public eye. But they drop all
Speaker 1: the charges against all the arrestees and things are a
Speaker 1: little better. But these radical homeless people. The next year
Speaker 1: they set up an encampment outside of city Hall and
Speaker 1: they have the coolest slogan ever for this exact thing,
Speaker 1: which is, we're tired, we're hungry, we don't like the government.
Speaker 1: Just say what you fucking mean. I want our side
Speaker 1: to say what they fucking mean.
Speaker 2: You know that's significantly better. Yeah, yeah, Well, the problem
Speaker 2: is most of our side quote unquote our side yea
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that that's true. Yep, that's that's the dark
Speaker 2: side of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ah, well, Fon up Bombs decides to go support that,
Speaker 1: just to avoid lingering on that dark thought. Yea, up Bombs.
Speaker 1: They decide to go support this homeless lead initiative. And
Speaker 1: I believe it at this point a decent chunk of
Speaker 1: the Food Up Bombs organizers are homeless folks themselves. I'm
Speaker 1: not entirely certain about how all that works, but it's
Speaker 1: more complicated than people might initially think. And they set
Speaker 1: up a twenty four hour soup kitchen to feed the
Speaker 1: protest camp. And this and the fact that some of
Speaker 1: the organizers non violently occupy the mayor's office, gets the
Speaker 1: whole encampment swept by the ostensibly progressive mayor, and Food
Speaker 1: Up Bombs permit is revoked, and so Food up Bombs
Speaker 1: is like, all right, fuck it, and they go back
Speaker 1: to the park no longer a couple of blocks away,
Speaker 1: and they just they're not going to be swept out
Speaker 1: from public eye and they're just going to feed people.
Speaker 1: And over the next seven years, this fight goes on
Speaker 1: for seven years, over two administrations, over a thousand activists
Speaker 1: gets sighted and or arrested for feeding people in the park.
Speaker 1: Nuns and priests joined them at one point. My favorite
Speaker 1: was that lawyers of the National Lawyers Guild showed up
Speaker 1: shout out to the National Lawyers Guild. They're great. They
Speaker 1: decided to serve food and get arrested. The cops are like, no,
Speaker 1: we're good. I just don't arrest the National Lawyers Guild
Speaker 1: because that's who they're actually afraid of as lawyers.
Speaker 2: I mean, they used to be. I was at the
Speaker 2: just for a part of and I wasn't able to
Speaker 2: be around for like the most violent parts of the disgusting,
Speaker 2: hopefully soon to be gone. City council member Mitchell Ferrell
Speaker 2: ordered the LAPD to sweep Echo Park here and truly,
Speaker 2: I mean it was one of those like right like
Speaker 2: this this felt like a new thing. I'm not super
Speaker 2: experienced with stuff, but like the LAPD like first of all,
Speaker 2: all like you know, performing acts of violence now with
Speaker 2: like everything recorded, but like actively going after journalists and
Speaker 2: the like the green hat national right folks, targeting them
Speaker 2: in some truly fascist ship and then setting up a
Speaker 2: uh literal concentration camp at Echo Park, Like they fence
Speaker 2: it off and you could not You didn't. You weren't
Speaker 2: free to leave or enter.
Speaker 1: They're just going to concentrate all the people into one
Speaker 1: place so that they can be handled. It was fucking
Speaker 1: not a concentration park. It was just concentration of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was, it was you know, it
Speaker 2: was so fucking disgusting. Yeah, it's unforgettable.
Speaker 3: Major media wouldn't even like really cover it because they're cowards.
Speaker 3: But it's like it was being live streamed on Twitter
Speaker 3: and you're seeing it and you're like, yeah, this this
Speaker 3: is a concentration camp in the middle of Los Angeles
Speaker 3: being run by our by the LAPD, by actual fascist
Speaker 3: Mitchell Ferrel.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you're listening to this and you're an LA voter
Speaker 2: and there's or if you're not, actually there's any way
Speaker 2: to contribute to the UGO Sodo Martinez campaign in any
Speaker 2: way to unseat open fascists, Mitchell Feral, please do that please. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I keep running when I
Speaker 1: was like researching this. At one point, I like got
Speaker 1: really frustrated about halfway through writing all this, where I
Speaker 1: was like, it's also quaint. I know that they were
Speaker 1: fighting for really hard things and it was really hard,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, oh my god, like just even
Speaker 1: the what you're saying about, you know, the National Lawyer's
Speaker 1: Guild actually gets arrested now right in the exact same situation,
Speaker 1: and just like, yeah, I'm really not trying to downplay
Speaker 1: the incredible amount of work that Funabum's well, that still
Speaker 1: does and does now in this new context. So I'm
Speaker 1: really not trying to knock it, but it is it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to see how far we've not come in
Speaker 1: terms of the move towards.
Speaker 2: D Yeah, I mean I think it is also like
Speaker 2: like probably the at least some version of this activism.
Speaker 2: The stuff that I felt like I saw a lot
Speaker 2: in the nineties was a lot of people insulated by
Speaker 2: their whiteness from some of the worst things. But that
Speaker 2: is like part of you know, it goes both ways too,
Speaker 2: because it is like part of civil disobedience is like
Speaker 2: civil disobedience only works if your oppressors have any kind
Speaker 2: of conscience, and like, yeah, it's just like cops have
Speaker 2: more of a conscience for like white teens than you know,
Speaker 2: your average on house person. Your average black person, etc.
Speaker 2: Like so there is some version of that, but then
Speaker 2: that becomes like sort of this white saviory vibe that
Speaker 2: can go the wrong way. It could turn into people
Speaker 2: encouraging street theater where you dress up like the homeless
Speaker 2: because you don't think about what that means. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, sorry, I'm I'm just like on that little tangent. No. No,
Speaker 2: it was like scary.
Speaker 1: Now, that's such as to me, Like.
Speaker 2: Like during the George Floyd uprising, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: the lapd is like beating middle class white women in
Speaker 2: broad daylight now, which feels like an escalation. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: you know, at least typically under they they in the past,
Speaker 2: it feels like they would at least wait till sundown. Yeah.
Speaker 3: To do that, they were like actively kettling people at
Speaker 3: like on a on a Tuesday at like one pm
Speaker 3: and then like and then like beating them on camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like pretty remarkable, honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know what else is remarkable? Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Market.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you going to do that?
Speaker 2: Because it's time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, shut the fuck up, don't talk to cops. That
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Speaker 1: And we are back and we are thinking about the escalation.
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, how like people who actually ag are
Speaker 1: more heavily marginalized by society have been dealing with this
Speaker 1: shit and it wasn't as like quaint even back, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is a really good point.
Speaker 2: I mean it's tough. Yeah, it just goes all ways,
Speaker 2: like it's like yes, absolutely doing you know a good
Speaker 2: thing on the balance, and like certainly there the allies,
Speaker 2: but Yeah, it's just it is weird, like the using
Speaker 2: essentially you're on privilege to advance goals, but sort of
Speaker 2: still you have that privilege and you can not extend
Speaker 2: that privilege, which is always like the precarious thing too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean I think that has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with like where you're taking direction from, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going to be protesting in a
Speaker 1: context in which I'm attempting to use my white privilege,
Speaker 1: it usually ideally would be in the context of like
Speaker 1: listening to you know, the direction and the overall strategy
Speaker 1: that is being proposed by the group that I'm attempting
Speaker 1: to be in solidarity with.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is of course also really complicated because
Speaker 1: people are like people of color are not monolith even
Speaker 1: among individual you know, like identities, and so you know,
Speaker 1: you people choosing who they listen to.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: Well, this is why I don't run a politics podcast
Speaker 1: as a shit gets messy. I just talked about history.
Speaker 2: No exactly. I mean I think that's like it's both
Speaker 2: messy and like ugly, and and you know the reality
Speaker 2: is there is no like right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, way, totally yeah, Yeah, I think that that, And
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I love about movements that
Speaker 1: are so like like diverse in terms of ideologies, in
Speaker 1: terms of ideas, in terms of strategies tactics, Like when
Speaker 1: we can work to coordinate different strategies and tactics together
Speaker 1: and different people coming from different positions, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's where we are our strongest personally. So the next
Speaker 1: mayor San Francisco, speaking of people getting a little more
Speaker 1: glove off, the next pair of San Francisco was the
Speaker 1: chief of police who orchestrated the crackdown on na pumps right,
Speaker 1: and a runs an anti homeless camp on a he
Speaker 1: runs on the anti homelesslatf and things just heat up
Speaker 1: for food ut bombs. But of course also everywhere in
Speaker 1: the city with this guy, and over the course of
Speaker 1: the fight, the city removes all the benches from the park,
Speaker 1: so folks have to eat sitting on the ground, which
Speaker 1: didn't stop anyone from eating food. You'll be shocked to know.
Speaker 1: Then they put up signs everywhere that said serving food
Speaker 1: without a permit is a crime. These were probably roughly
Speaker 1: as effective as skateboarding is a crime signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like it really is, like what like
Speaker 2: what society are you in? Yeah, you know that that
Speaker 2: that is your like priority. That's say that means taxpayers
Speaker 2: spend money on this. It's like is this really who
Speaker 2: you fucking are? I mean it it is. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: gross to think about, like a be that person.
Speaker 1: And the other thing they spent tax payer money on
Speaker 1: was to remove the fountain from the park because I
Speaker 1: guess though it's you know, all right, well they're gonna eat,
Speaker 1: they better not be somewhere with like pretty things, better
Speaker 1: not enjoy it, you know, have access to a water
Speaker 1: feature anyway, So Food not Bomb starts getting it comes
Speaker 1: up with different tactics to deal with all this harassment. Right,
Speaker 1: people get sick of people of the cops stealing their food,
Speaker 1: so they start having decoy food buckets where they put
Speaker 1: a third of the food in the bucket and they
Speaker 1: go up and they set up, and the cops steal
Speaker 1: the bucket and then they're like, ah, shucks, you stole
Speaker 1: our food, and the cops leave. So then they bring
Speaker 1: out the next third of a bucket and they serve
Speaker 1: some people and then the cops steal the food, and
Speaker 1: then they bring out a final third in a third bucket.
Speaker 1: And the flyer that they distribute all over the world
Speaker 1: being like, here's how to deal with it. If the
Speaker 1: cops are stealing your food, is like cops are too
Speaker 1: embarrassed to come back the third time to steal the food.
Speaker 1: And I don't know whether it's they're too embarrassed that
Speaker 1: they got like Looney Tunes tricked, or if they're just
Speaker 1: embarrassed about the fact that it really hits home about
Speaker 1: the fact that they are like just stealing food. That's
Speaker 1: what their job is, is steal food from the mouths
Speaker 1: of hungry people. And Keith McHenry, the founder guy that
Speaker 1: you know I have the most information about, he was
Speaker 1: arrested ninety four times between nineteen eighty eight and nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, which is more than once a month for
Speaker 1: seven years straight. As he puts it, he was framed
Speaker 1: up on three other felonies during that time it was
Speaker 1: facing twenty five years in prison. I have no counter
Speaker 1: argument to this. And during that same time period, for example,
Speaker 1: the FBI had just covered up the car bombing of
Speaker 1: two environmentalists, Judy Barry and Darryl Churney. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: FEDS might have even done the car bombing, but the
Speaker 1: thing that's been proven in court is that they at
Speaker 1: least covered it up, right, So this is the so
Speaker 1: here I am being like, ahaha, different times, Like actually, no,
Speaker 1: people are getting car bombed by the Feds probably yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I mean it's just like it probably is.
Speaker 1: I mean they are the same people. Yeah, they're worse
Speaker 1: and they have the Internet now, yeah, but like they're
Speaker 1: the same people that have always been doing this shit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah it is different. There was more innocent
Speaker 1: and less innocent. Yeah, you know, in different ways. Different
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, just different, is honestly the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not any less murderous in service of right,
Speaker 2: you know, right of their their little society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just their tactics changed in different situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he spends a total of Keith mccannery spends a
Speaker 1: total of five hundred days in jail during this seven
Speaker 1: year time, just with all of these minor rests for
Speaker 1: serving food, and the harassment started getting so bad that
Speaker 1: Amnesty International was wrote a letter to San Francisco saying
Speaker 1: that they were considering designating food not Bombs activists as
Speaker 1: prisoners of conscience, basically saying like, if you if you
Speaker 1: don't stop harassing people based on their political beliefs, that
Speaker 1: we're going to adopt them as prisoners are conscious you
Speaker 1: will be breaking international law, and we will fight for
Speaker 1: their unconditional release, and eventually, two mayors later, food ut
Speaker 1: bombs just kind of wins by default because the city
Speaker 1: stops war against them and they keep serving food. And
Speaker 1: thirty years after all this stuff, they're still serving food,
Speaker 1: and they still serve food all over the world. The
Speaker 1: current best guests there's no official registry of food out bombs.
Speaker 1: The best guess is that there's around five hundred cities
Speaker 1: in the US with chapters and about five hundred more
Speaker 1: cities around the world, and food up bombs of activists
Speaker 1: have been spied on by the FEDS and arrested by
Speaker 1: cops time and time again. Literally, while I was researching this,
Speaker 1: I messaged Sophia since I figured this out. I ran
Speaker 1: across a memo from the FBI about how they were
Speaker 1: spying on Denver food out bombs in two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: which is when I was in Denver cooking food out bombs,
Speaker 1: and it stuck out to me because they're describing how
Speaker 1: they were trying to get information out of my neighbors
Speaker 1: like our house ran one day of cooking, and different
Speaker 1: houses across the city ran different days of it, and
Speaker 1: some punks like some it's like punks did it some days,
Speaker 1: students did it other days. Whatever. And so the document
Speaker 1: points out that while they arrested AID activists at this
Speaker 1: food not Bomb's house, none of them nor any of
Speaker 1: the other people at the residence that the FBI was
Speaker 1: trying to question, gave any information to the investigation, which
Speaker 1: rules and is how you all should handle interactions with
Speaker 1: the federal police. You tell them that you have representation
Speaker 1: and that ask for their card, and that is the
Speaker 1: only information you give them. You don't lie to them
Speaker 1: and you don't tell them anything anyway. So after the
Speaker 1: fall of the Soviet Union, let's just jump gears really quick.
Speaker 1: Who ut bomb springs up all over Russia and the
Speaker 1: former Communist block Poland, Ukraine, Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria,
Speaker 1: and Russia all have or had chapters, and the stakes
Speaker 1: there are a bit higher than they've been for a
Speaker 1: lot of the US chapters. In November two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: a who Nut bombser in Saint Petersburg, teamer Kachavera was
Speaker 1: hanging out at a cafe a few hours after serving
Speaker 1: food in the park. A boneheads, which are Nazi skinheads,
Speaker 1: swarmed him chanting and this will be a familiar chance
Speaker 1: to Americans. They were chanting anti Antifa Nazis were strained
Speaker 1: Teamer while another another Nazi, who was only fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: stabbed him to death five times in the neck. And
Speaker 1: Timer was an anarchist and a philosophy student. He was
Speaker 1: twenty years old and he played in a punk band
Speaker 1: called Sandinista. Two years later, Bonehead swarmed Food not Bombs
Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg again, and if I'm reading the various
Speaker 1: articles correctly, they swarmed the actual feeding itself. This time
Speaker 1: they attacked and another Food not Bombs are Ivan Yellen.
Speaker 1: He survives, but he got stabbed twenty times for serving
Speaker 1: food in the park. And while he was recovering in
Speaker 1: the hospital, dozens of his friends showed up to donate
Speaker 1: blood to the hospital. Some came from as far away
Speaker 1: as Moscow, which is like an eight hour train ride.
Speaker 1: Basically people coming in solidarity to offer their blood. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they had plenty of blood. I hope the people
Speaker 1: showed up then gave blood to other people in the hospital,
Speaker 1: which is an inch escalation of mutual aid.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then on the fourth of February two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: Nazis went for the ultimate irony and they bombed a
Speaker 1: food not bombs. No one gets killed they I just
Speaker 1: want to like say that upfront so there's less tension
Speaker 1: around that. They hide a bomb in the flower stall,
Speaker 1: and it's I hate to laugh at this. It's said
Speaker 1: to go off at the time of the feeding, but
Speaker 1: the jokes on the Nazis because the feeding was run
Speaker 1: by punks and so they were late, and so the
Speaker 1: bomb goes off before anyone arrives, and no one was hurt,
Speaker 1: and they fed people as usual on the day that
Speaker 1: Nazis tried to bomb them. I said at the very
Speaker 1: beginning where I was like, in this time, no one
Speaker 1: gets killed by Nazis, and actually one person gets killed
Speaker 1: by Nazis in this Yeah, And I remember.
Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't. I should have probably known where
Speaker 2: I was going. I was. I was more chuckling at
Speaker 2: the you know where anti Edtifa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're just fascist that, Yeah, you're regular fuss
Speaker 1: terrible Yeah, yeah, no, I know, totally yeah, And I
Speaker 1: remember when this happened, it hit us all kind of hard,
Speaker 1: and it was like kind of sobering, right because we
Speaker 1: would get harassed for serving food nut bombs and like
Speaker 1: a couple of times I've served food ut bombs or
Speaker 1: eating it with like riot police all around and helicopters
Speaker 1: overhead and all that shit. But fucking Russia, they're getting
Speaker 1: bombed for it, and and the attacks were focused. It's
Speaker 1: the same focus in the US. It's it's about who
Speaker 1: controls spaces. Right in the US, it's the government is like,
Speaker 1: we control the parks. And in Russia at the time,
Speaker 1: the Nazis were like, no, we control the parks. And
Speaker 1: so it was they were attacking the the Saint Petersburg
Speaker 1: DIY leftist an anarchist punk scene which organized against the
Speaker 1: fascists under the name Antifa, And so the regular fu
Speaker 1: are not fans of Antifa, and so you know they.
Speaker 2: No, it's but it's just like it's like again, if
Speaker 2: you're murdering people for like handing out food, it's I mean,
Speaker 2: but that's like such a like fascist through line, you know.
Speaker 2: It's just like and that is a little you know,
Speaker 2: we talked, I talked about it. It's like me not understanding,
Speaker 2: you know. I was sort of like I guess I
Speaker 2: was still also just like not not not clear, but
Speaker 2: like when I was talking about just the small amount
Speaker 2: of mutual aid stuff I've been doing over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, and like the like relative paranoia I
Speaker 2: feel that, you know, these these you know, patriots like
Speaker 2: have and I think the thing that is it's like
Speaker 2: because my in my mind is like, what are they
Speaker 2: going to do kill us for handing out you know,
Speaker 2: granola bars? And the answer is yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it depends on how far things go, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but the answer is yes, yeah. Like so
Speaker 2: so that's like hard to internalize. And I think that
Speaker 2: is It's like because often you like come to this
Speaker 2: sort of thing with like the energy of this is
Speaker 2: like a social thing, yeah, or at least it's part
Speaker 2: of it. And it's like, yeah, very hard to not
Speaker 2: you know, to realize that like yes, like we are
Speaker 2: like doing something, but it's like we're actually there is
Speaker 2: an element of peril to this that is hard to
Speaker 2: like kind of like really realize sometimes, like right, this
Speaker 2: shit is like real yeah, and like even though it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be again totally it's literally just handing out fucking
Speaker 2: snacks and like hand sanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and almost every single food not bombs feeding that
Speaker 1: happens worldwide is pleasant with good mediocre to good food
Speaker 1: depending on the cooks and a good environment and safe,
Speaker 1: you know, and like, and I definitely wouldn't discourage people.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in Moscow right now, it's a
Speaker 1: lot more complicated, right, but you know, and things will
Speaker 1: get more complicated here as things happen. But but that's going
Speaker 1: to be true. It's going to be true wherever you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it is also like, yeah, like elements of
Speaker 2: like there's always something you can do totally. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, if you get to the point where it
Speaker 2: feels perilous to be there in person, there's things you
Speaker 2: can do. Yeah, it feels perilous to like be with
Speaker 2: a collective group of people cooking or organizing or whatever,
Speaker 2: there's things you can do totally. Yeah, something there's always more.
Speaker 2: You can always be doing more than you've been doing.
Speaker 1: And like, and it can always be something that plays
Speaker 1: to your strengths and it doesn't have to be something
Speaker 1: that is like you can think about what you are
Speaker 1: willing to risk and then think about how you can
Speaker 1: go about meeting your own needs and still engage, you know,
Speaker 1: and like yeah, just being the person to call like
Speaker 1: food co ops or big chain organic stores or regular
Speaker 1: stores and be like, hey, I'm working with you know, food,
Speaker 1: not bombs or if they're burned on that make up
Speaker 1: some other I don't know legality what I'm saying, find
Speaker 1: ways to get donations of food, and like I think,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably can just not name the yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: place I suppose, but yeah, yeah, yeah, there's always something.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that I was doing also during
Speaker 2: the George Floyd uprising was like trying to help out
Speaker 2: with just listening to the police scanner. Yeah totally, which
Speaker 2: was also illuminating in that I was like, oh, these
Speaker 2: people are both Like it was wild listening to cops
Speaker 2: be legitimately sound afraid. I mean, they're fucking fascist cowards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it really was.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you're scared of like I know
Speaker 2: who's in that crowd, Like, yeah, I'm fucking scared of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you have guns, you're the violent one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I mean, because fascism is a coward's ideology,
Speaker 1: like it's that's why they only attack when they're in
Speaker 1: big groups. That's why, you know, like yeah, and when
Speaker 1: there's a fair fight, they back down. It seems like
Speaker 1: not universally, but it Yeah, and a lot of what
Speaker 1: I'm reading not even a fair fight. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean you see it like in Portland. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: all like if you just like can stand up and
Speaker 1: be organize, the fucking proud boy type folks just like
Speaker 1: they're too stupid and weak and scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean it is the difference in the ideologies.
Speaker 2: It's like they don't have each other's backs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so the reason they need like the swarm is
Speaker 2: because it's they're they're so brittle, because they are so cowardly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's literally just I'm afraid
Speaker 1: of the other. That is the it seems to me
Speaker 1: is like the core of fascism, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so speaking of people standing up to fascism, this isn't
Speaker 1: an ad break. This is just you're talking more about
Speaker 1: some of these Russian food up bombsters what it could
Speaker 1: be dogs stand up to fascists. Uh, some of them,
Speaker 1: some of them. Okay, No, that's a hard one.
Speaker 2: Famously a bunch of them love fascists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well probably a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: our most famous dogs are pro fascists, you know, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, fine.
Speaker 2: Regrettably, I'm just saying, yeah, no, no more dogs more
Speaker 2: dogs are cops than are not cops.
Speaker 1: I know my dog.
Speaker 2: More dogs are not cops, but more famous dogs are cops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's riot dogs all over Greece and various
Speaker 1: countries in South America, Central America. Who who hate cops?
Speaker 1: All right, well, then here's some unrelated advertisements, because we
Speaker 1: live in a capitalist hell world. Yes, and we are back,
Speaker 1: and we are talking about in Russia and continues in Russia,
Speaker 1: I believe to this day. During the invasion, at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the current invasion of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Moscow,
Speaker 1: food not Bombs put out a hasty translation of a
Speaker 1: statement which is in order to keep and increase the
Speaker 1: benefits in their hands. The government declares wars who will
Speaker 1: collect their intestines with their hands, who will have their
Speaker 1: arms and legs torn off by explosions, whose families will
Speaker 1: bury their children. Of course, all of this does not
Speaker 1: apply to the ruling minority. We must resist the militaristic
Speaker 1: regime and the war it is waging with all of
Speaker 1: our might. Spread information among your comrades, fight as best
Speaker 1: you can. And then they've been doing that. A bunch
Speaker 1: of food Nut Bombs activists were arrested in February and
Speaker 1: anti war demonstration. You can see the video. It's literally
Speaker 1: just some people walking down the street with a banner
Speaker 1: and cops grabbing them off the street and arresting them.
Speaker 1: And then in March, out of food not bombs, feeding
Speaker 1: unknown assailants. They might have been cops, they might have
Speaker 1: been just piece of shit warmongers. Kidnapped four people out
Speaker 1: of food nut Bombs, threw them into a car, drove
Speaker 1: them out into the forest, said they were going to
Speaker 1: make them dig their own graves them off one by
Speaker 1: one and beat the shit out of them with police
Speaker 1: batons and seriously wounded several of them. I believe all
Speaker 1: of them, but I'm not sure. Belarus Food Nut Bombs
Speaker 1: has been going since two thousand and six, but they
Speaker 1: had to suspend operations in January twenty twenty two because
Speaker 1: of the repression there of the anarchist movement. Because Belarus
Speaker 1: is boot looking for Putin and that things have been
Speaker 1: going real hard for them there. But that was a
Speaker 1: terrible bummer note for me to end this part about
Speaker 1: food ut bombs on there's actually one more story that's
Speaker 1: related to mutual Aid than I want to say, but
Speaker 1: if you have a way to quickly turn this around
Speaker 1: on a positive note about food nut bombs. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at how I wrote the script and I'm not proud.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think the thing that is like
Speaker 2: it's this scary part, but it is the real part,
Speaker 2: which is like again, I came to mutual Aid mainly
Speaker 2: because you know, the world, but also like it was
Speaker 2: like honestly just for my own mental health, like such
Speaker 2: a like important thing. I wound up being to like
Speaker 2: do something and it's like, yeah, there's a social element
Speaker 2: to it, but like not that it's good that this
Speaker 2: is this is a political action that is like violently
Speaker 2: repressed by literal fascists. But I think to the extent
Speaker 2: that there's a silver lining for like an American audience
Speaker 2: is like this is like you are part of something
Speaker 2: actually powerful when you do things like this that again,
Speaker 2: it's it's that like you know, you look around and
Speaker 2: like for me, I'm like God, everyone seems here, seems
Speaker 2: really fucking paranoid, and it's like they're not, but they're
Speaker 2: not that you know, it's still like like at least
Speaker 2: there's that power there of realizing that you are like
Speaker 2: really doing something. Yeah, can be helpful, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: fucking hard obviously.
Speaker 1: Now that makes sense. I mean, like, we live in
Speaker 1: a society that tries to deny us agency, right, that's
Speaker 1: like one of its main structural ideas, And and here's
Speaker 1: just a really good, almost always very safe way to
Speaker 1: claim agency. And also this the society we're living in
Speaker 1: right now is trying to even the society at large,
Speaker 1: but chunks of it are trying to disappear people and
Speaker 1: more and more people are trying are starting to fall
Speaker 1: through the cracks. And it's not a coincidence from my
Speaker 1: point of view that this is happening as other things
Speaker 1: in the world are getting worse. And and here's a
Speaker 1: way that you can help stop that. You know, there's
Speaker 1: that there's that fucking poem about the you know verse
Speaker 1: they came for and then they came for. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like great, like give people give stuff to people who
Speaker 1: are homeless, Like that's good. That is part of that
Speaker 1: that is part of stopping that chain of events that
Speaker 1: does lead to you and I, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: The other like purely selfish way, if you want to
Speaker 2: look at it this way, it's like like we're talking
Speaker 2: about like sort of like in vaguely like militaristic terms.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's like, again, I am past
Speaker 2: probably my brick throwing days, but like.
Speaker 1: Why do you keep winking when you say that? Though,
Speaker 1: Oh sorry anyway.
Speaker 2: No, I really am.
Speaker 3: I just like even like even like very funny though.
Speaker 2: Carrying carrying a folding table the other day, I was like, god,
Speaker 2: damn it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 2: I just can't. Yeah, like you here's why not because
Speaker 2: I'm like it's it's I'm just like you. You don't
Speaker 2: want me. I'm not I'm not best used on brick
Speaker 2: throwing duty on either side of things. It's just like not,
Speaker 2: it's not good for anyone. However, it was a thing
Speaker 2: where I was like during like some of the darkest
Speaker 2: and the like perpetual up coming darkest moment, like the
Speaker 2: darkest moments that come is that like these motherfuckers who
Speaker 2: are like the paranoid people who are just like you know,
Speaker 2: in my eyes, paranoid people who are like handing out
Speaker 2: caranola bars, et cetera. Like when if and when like
Speaker 2: shit really goes bad, like this is the network, this
Speaker 2: is the thing that becomes a resistance or whatever or
Speaker 2: like if not these people, then something like it or
Speaker 2: something adjacent to it. Yeah, or like and you know
Speaker 2: it's real because these people have been out on the
Speaker 2: street doing shit, spending their own like energy and money
Speaker 2: and like time, Like if they were narks, it would
Speaker 2: be you know, they deserve it because if they put
Speaker 2: in yeah, totally this shit. So it's like, yeah, fine,
Speaker 2: send me to jail. It's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this old earth burst thing where earth bursters
Speaker 1: would be like Okay, once you figure out who the
Speaker 1: cop is in the group, you don't you don't kick
Speaker 1: them out. You just have them take all the notes
Speaker 1: and you just like make sure that they pay for everything.
Speaker 1: I am not recommending this as a strategy. I am
Speaker 1: not trying to opine about how groups should deal with infiltration.
Speaker 1: I am merely relaying a thing that has happened in
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 2: No, truly, Well, but yeah, it's like just the element
Speaker 2: of like you know, yeah, just again on a purely
Speaker 2: selfish level. It is like, these are the folks that
Speaker 2: I having demonstrated having their back, they're going to have
Speaker 2: my back. Yeah, and the people you meet, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, you know, if that's another way
Speaker 2: to look at it, it's like you're just building the
Speaker 2: structures that hopefully we will never need in a real way,
Speaker 2: but what we already use them in a real way.
Speaker 1: And like I've always been about, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that this dichotomy between the self interest in the community
Speaker 1: interest is a false dichotomy because being part of a
Speaker 1: healthy community that takes care of people rules for me
Speaker 1: as an individual, Like I love food not bombs because
Speaker 1: I ate it as so much and it let me
Speaker 1: not have a job and just run around and hop
Speaker 1: freight trains badly and mostly failed at that, and hitchhike
Speaker 1: around and like live the life I wanted to lead
Speaker 1: in my twenties, right, And and also yeah, building these
Speaker 1: networks is like one of the only ways that I can, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not doing the work of building these
Speaker 1: networks now, I just run a podcast and read history books.
Speaker 1: Also rules, But I don't know, being part knowing these
Speaker 1: networks exist is part of literally how I sleep as
Speaker 1: well as I do as a trans woman in the
Speaker 1: current environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so yeah, it's like it's like, at
Speaker 2: least you kind of have a sense that, look, you
Speaker 2: have a chance, and you have people who are like
Speaker 2: organized and doing something, and look, yeah, not every thing
Speaker 2: is going to succeed. Mostly it doesn't, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: know it's something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that does not actually naturally lead to
Speaker 1: But I want to pivot to talk about the final,
Speaker 1: final part of this whole thing, which is I bet
Speaker 1: you're wondering. I know a lot of people at home
Speaker 1: are wondering, what do gay birds have to do with
Speaker 1: mutual aid? And I have an answer for you, because
Speaker 1: this is going to be a story that talks about
Speaker 1: the origins of mutual aid as a as a term
Speaker 1: at least, and it brings us back to Russia, where
Speaker 1: the land where the government says there are no gay people.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether they say or not there's any
Speaker 1: gay birds. But so I can't remember the name of
Speaker 1: the magazine, and I'm so annoyed. I spent so long
Speaker 1: trying to find this magazine. But I read this magazine
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four it was about gay birds
Speaker 1: and mutual aid. And I wish I had a time
Speaker 1: machine so I could go back and tell younger me that, like,
Speaker 1: one day, all of these things that I read that
Speaker 1: give me my ideas, I'll actually have to cite them
Speaker 1: and source them. I would not have believed you. And
Speaker 1: I find this magazine in a trash can and it's
Speaker 1: about science. It's a science magazine I don't remember the
Speaker 1: name of it, and has an article and it's talking
Speaker 1: about scientists are finally starting to talk about gay animals
Speaker 1: in the early turn of the millennia, the early aughts,
Speaker 1: and and they're trying to figure out what the fuck
Speaker 1: it means for evolutionary science. So so this brings us
Speaker 1: to Darwin, and I promise we'll come back to the birds.
Speaker 1: You might have heard of this guy, this guy named
Speaker 1: Charles Darwin. Sophie's nodding. Sophie's heard of this guy. And
Speaker 1: he's this rich white British science dude who was like,
Speaker 1: whoa evolution? And then more than that, he was like,
Speaker 1: whoa natural selection is about? Drives evolution? And he wrote
Speaker 1: a book about it. And the book is called whoa
Speaker 1: Natural Selection? The Origin of the Species or something like that,
Speaker 1: and he wrote direct quotes yeah damn dog Yeah. And
Speaker 1: he was actually way cooler than most of the people
Speaker 1: who came after him who invoke his name, and way
Speaker 1: cooler than I expected him to be when I started
Speaker 1: researching this part of the story. Among other things that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with today's story, he and other
Speaker 1: scientists helped intervene on behalf of a French geographer a
Speaker 1: Lee Raclue, who fought in the Paris Commune and was
Speaker 1: going to be executed for trying to overthrow France basically,
Speaker 1: and all these scientists were like, no, I can't execute him.
Speaker 1: He's our guy. He's like a scientist. Darwin was also
Speaker 1: an abolitionist. He pushed back against race science that invoked
Speaker 1: his name, and he argued against any kind of like
Speaker 1: social planning that led to eugenics, and he believed that
Speaker 1: people needed to be free to reproduce as they wanted,
Speaker 1: which is again since most eugenics is sort of based
Speaker 1: and calling itself darwinistic, I feel like it's a big deal,
Speaker 1: and specifically it's kind of interesting to me because he
Speaker 1: didn't deny this concept of like, I guess you could
Speaker 1: change how humans work by selective breeding. But what he
Speaker 1: says is, and this is a paraphrase, not a quote, Okay,
Speaker 1: some traits are genetic, but if you control who reproduces,
Speaker 1: you will get rid of the single best trait in humanity,
Speaker 1: which is our capacity for empathy. And so he's just like, no,
Speaker 1: I would never work. And I kind of liked that.
Speaker 1: That's like a science approach to being like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can't do this racist thing because of this like science,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, but also too, it's like, because that isn't how
Speaker 2: it works. It's like you need variance and randomness, and
Speaker 2: like trying to direct it is not going to work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just wrong on some fucking levels.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What wasn't wrong were his iconic mutton chops, which later
Speaker 1: became an epic wizard beard that almost makes me sad
Speaker 1: I got laser hair removal. It's such a good beard.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's I mean, everyone has wizard
Speaker 1: beards back in the day, but Darwin's particularly good. Now
Speaker 1: that I don't hate him, I kind of always assumed
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think, like all learned
Speaker 2: people of the time, you're still grading on a.
Speaker 1: Curve it's true. He yeah, I'm go it gets to
Speaker 1: some of that. Sorry, okay, no, no, no, okay. So he
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, look how species differentiate, and other people
Speaker 1: are like, yes, this justifies imperialism and the abuse of
Speaker 1: the poor, of the strong survive the meek parish and
Speaker 1: he had to like waste his time being like, maybe
Speaker 1: you shouldn't base policy on what made one animal into
Speaker 1: another animal. Yeah, And he he does spend a while
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if colonialism is comparable to evolutionary
Speaker 1: natural selection. And he also believed that men naturally dominate
Speaker 1: over women because of genetics or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean I think it's like just so
Speaker 2: hard to like any scientists. It's like I think as
Speaker 2: humans clearly were like wired to believe, like it's if
Speaker 2: it happens, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it definitely happens. But like one of
Speaker 2: the trademarks of being human is realizing that things that
Speaker 2: happen aren't good just because they happened.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like wild, like yes, yes, absolutely, you know,
Speaker 2: survival of the fittest occurs, yeah, but is it good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And there are other options and that's what other scientists.
Speaker 1: But first I'm to talk about a scientists who took
Speaker 1: it the wrong way. Sure, so oh oh, And the
Speaker 1: final note about Darwin, total science nerd. The year before
Speaker 1: he dies, he's like seventy something and which in the
Speaker 1: nineteenth century means you're kicking ass, because the life expectancy
Speaker 1: is forty for men in England at the time that
Speaker 1: he's alive. He's almost doubled that. And the year before
Speaker 1: he dies he publishes his last work. And his last
Speaker 1: work is called The Formation of Vegetable Mold through the
Speaker 1: Action of Worms, And I just, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: He's a science guy.
Speaker 2: He never stopped yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And so there's two ways you can take all of
Speaker 1: the stuff he says, and there's the reasonable way and
Speaker 1: the way that doesn't make any fucking sense. And the
Speaker 1: guy who took it the most, the way it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any fucking sense, is best exemplified, at least by
Speaker 1: this guy named Herbert spent Here's another white British dude.
Speaker 1: He also has iconic mutton shops. Herbert Spencer should have
Speaker 1: been cool. His parents were Quakers. He grew up anti
Speaker 1: authoritarian and socialist and militantly feminist as someone who is
Speaker 1: all of those things. I like that. Then he took
Speaker 1: a turn to the hard right libertarian thing, and he
Speaker 1: started opposing women's suffrage and saying that all socialism is
Speaker 1: slavery and that it sure is good that all the
Speaker 1: inferior races are being wiped off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: And he spent time complaining about race mixing, diluting the
Speaker 1: white race. He doesn't sound anything like people who are
Speaker 1: around today. He's the one who coined the term survival
Speaker 1: of the fittest, and he laid the philosophical groundwork for
Speaker 1: what later became right wing libertarianism and the economics of
Speaker 1: I've got mind, fuck you.
Speaker 2: Survival of the fittest truly is yeah, like just a
Speaker 2: tiny sliver of the theory of evolution. Yep.
Speaker 1: That is like, yeah, no exactly. And for some odd reason,
Speaker 1: this guy died alone and lonely. I'm not it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine why. He also might have invented the paper clip.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who claim to have invented
Speaker 1: the paper clip. He is a man, then, So that's
Speaker 1: like the social Darwinism side, all about competition. The thing is, though,
Speaker 1: that Darwin didn't only write about competition, he also wrote
Speaker 1: about cooperation. And this brings me back to the gay animals,
Speaker 1: because all these Darwinists that not the social darmies particularly
Speaker 1: that a problem. If every animal is just trying to
Speaker 1: fucking pass on their genes as widely as possible, then
Speaker 1: why are some of them gay? Which for a long
Speaker 1: time people just ignored the fact that dogs animals were gay.
Speaker 1: But have you met a dog, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I only have one dog, and my dog as gay
Speaker 1: as fuck. My dog gay as fuck. Yeah, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure my dog's pan, but I haven't like proven this,
Speaker 1: partly because I removed his capacity to you.
Speaker 2: Know, like get it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so some animals are gay. For a while
Speaker 1: in the twentieth century, reactionaries used to be like, gayness
Speaker 1: isn't natural. If it was natural, then animals would be gay,
Speaker 1: and there's no gay animals. And then finally someone was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many gay animals, and so now reactionaries instead
Speaker 1: have to be like, we are better than those gay animals.
Speaker 1: That's what makes those human, you know. But then around
Speaker 1: the beginning of the twenty first century, basically people were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to address the fact that animals are gay,
Speaker 1: and people were like, but why how does this work
Speaker 1: with if all we believe is survival of the fittest.
Speaker 1: And the answer is something that evolutionary biologists have been
Speaker 1: talking about for one hundred goddamn fucking years, and basically
Speaker 1: they realized a couple things one hundred fucking goddamn years ago. One,
Speaker 1: sometimes animals do things just because things are fun. We're
Speaker 1: not actually robots. Animals try to aren't just trying to
Speaker 1: maximize their reproduction or whatever. Birds fly around in flocks
Speaker 1: because like, holy shit, we can fucking fly. This rules,
Speaker 1: you know. And fucking is also fun unless you're lucky
Speaker 1: enough to be like fucking a right wing dude who
Speaker 1: buys into the Ben Shapiro thing, which case you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily having a good time. Yeah all of them, or
Speaker 1: you know, have other drama of it whatever anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: yeah problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, but also, gay animals are good for community, and
Speaker 1: this is the main thing that was in this article
Speaker 1: that I read that like I have my like mind
Speaker 1: explode moment or whatever about this. Gay animals foster kids,
Speaker 1: and they also allow for relationships like within the animal communities,
Speaker 1: that aren't just like one boy Ostrich one I'm making
Speaker 1: this animal up for an example, and one girl Ostrich
Speaker 1: or whatever. You have a greater capacity for love within
Speaker 1: the community. And it turns out that that makes everyone happier,
Speaker 1: live longer, and everything is good. So this is a
Speaker 1: confirmation of this fight that had been going on one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago competition versus cooperation, which wasn't actually competition
Speaker 1: versus cooperation. It was one side saying competition is the
Speaker 1: only thing that happens, and the other side saying it's both.
Speaker 1: It's always been both, it will always be both.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's also like cooperation is. Typically it's cooperation
Speaker 2: within a sphere that helps a larger group possibly compete
Speaker 2: with a different groups or societies or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And the champion of this other school of
Speaker 1: evolutionary biology was none other than friend of the podcast,
Speaker 1: Peter Kopotkin. Who is this Russian prince. He's another rich
Speaker 1: white guy, let's be honest, and he renounces his royalty
Speaker 1: to declare war on Czarist Russia and all states. He
Speaker 1: dedicates his life to the twin goals of science and anarchism.
Speaker 1: He breaks out of the most impossible to break out
Speaker 1: of prison in Russia in the nineteenth century to circumnavigate
Speaker 1: the world the Foster revolution of let's take care of
Speaker 1: each other, like I watched some animals do while I
Speaker 1: was a biologist. And so he's the anti Spencer, the
Speaker 1: survival of the fittest guy, and he writes a book
Speaker 1: about it, and his book about it is called mutual Aid,
Speaker 1: A Factor and Revolution because he's also a very literal
Speaker 1: title guy. And this is where the phrase mutual aid
Speaker 1: in the modern context comes from. Is this book mutual aid?
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, I don't believe this
Speaker 1: is this is absolutely not the origin of the idea
Speaker 1: of mutual aid. In fact, since k. Pawkin's a scientist,
Speaker 1: it's like he's like, no, I've observed this, this exists, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then he got into all these like arguments about
Speaker 1: it at the time, but basically people like sort of
Speaker 1: forgot about all of these arguments. And it was all
Speaker 1: of the Russian scientists all, not just the leftists. We're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's cooperation, it's both, you know. But the sort of
Speaker 1: further West idea kind of won over for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so yeah, so, I mean, I I learned
Speaker 2: most of the biological side of this from now right
Speaker 2: wing lunatic Richard Dawkins's books, Oh yep, but his like
Speaker 2: books on you know, on genetics, Yeah, correct, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: his ideas of how to apply the to with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, which Darwin would have had a fucking fist
Speaker 1: fight with him over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think, I mean, look, this might be
Speaker 2: just me liking an older thing, but I would have
Speaker 2: thought that the older version of Richard Dalker or the
Speaker 2: younger version of Richard Dawkins would also feel the same way.
Speaker 2: But truly, what do I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we can wreckon it either way and just
Speaker 1: declare that young Richard Dawkins would absolutely fist fight would
Speaker 1: be the champion for Darwin in the fight to death.
Speaker 2: Maybe even if you say it out loud, that sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: My idea about the younger Richard Dawkin fighting older Richard
Speaker 1: Dawkins doesn't sound a lot.
Speaker 2: No, no, just not the fighting part, the being a good
Speaker 2: person part.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, who knows, Well, that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: so that's like the phenomenon, right, They went to observe
Speaker 1: this phenomenon, and it's a phenomenon that food not bombs,
Speaker 1: and literally countless other individuals and organizations such as Solidarity
Speaker 1: and Snacks not Solidarity not Snacks, which was the precursor
Speaker 1: organization that was popular, has been using this phenomenon all
Speaker 1: over the world and it is a phenomenon that rules.
Speaker 1: And that is my story of food, ot bombs and
Speaker 1: mutual aid.
Speaker 2: That's oh my god, thank you for having me for this.
Speaker 2: It has been like lovely and educational, but also I
Speaker 2: think like it is this like double edge thing of
Speaker 2: like the history is interesting, but one of the important
Speaker 2: parts of the I think the rules you talked about
Speaker 2: last week is like the most important part is like
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, but also these people weren't gods that
Speaker 2: founded this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally.
Speaker 2: It's like they made mistakes and it's fine, but the
Speaker 2: basic bedrock is fine. Yeah, and usable and adjustable.
Speaker 1: Yeah totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, careful when you're serving that meat because
Speaker 2: it's a real pain in the ass the streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Andrew, do you have anything you'd like to plug at
Speaker 3: the end here for us?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well yeah, if you've enjoyed
Speaker 2: listening to me, Talk. I'm going to be on tour
Speaker 2: with a couple more dates, not really a tour, so
Speaker 2: a mini tour with my podcast He Knows This Racist
Speaker 2: I co hosted with Tawny Newsom. We're going to be
Speaker 2: in Austin on August twentieth and Brooklyn on September tenth,
Speaker 2: So possibly the single least profitable way to put together
Speaker 2: a tour, but it's fun and it's you know, just
Speaker 2: a nice chance to see everyone.
Speaker 3: Awesome. And Margaret, you have a book coming out, correct
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: It's called we Won't Be Here Tomorrow, And I didn't
Speaker 1: have a pun prepared about the fact that the title
Speaker 1: reference okay anyway, And you can get it from Akpress
Speaker 1: or you can get it from different independent bookstores and
Speaker 1: if you pre order it you get an art print
Speaker 1: and it comes out September twentieth, and it's full of
Speaker 1: all of my short stories about uh I know. There's
Speaker 1: like a trans woman who feeds men to she robs
Speaker 1: men and then feeds them to her mermaid lover and
Speaker 1: then it's like, you know, whole parable imagine that. And
Speaker 1: there's another one about someone who uses drones to troll
Speaker 1: CEOs into quitting and there's another one about the dead
Speaker 1: from Valhalla come back and fight in the civil War
Speaker 1: against Nazis because there's no Nazis in Valhalla. If you
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing, yeah, I know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a it's a little bit of a yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so you can you can buy that. And also you
Speaker 1: can listen to my podcasts. I have a podcast called
Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, which is on cool
Speaker 1: Zone Media and you can listen to it every Monday
Speaker 1: and Wednesday. I have another podcast called Live Like the
Speaker 1: World Is Dying and it is about individual and community
Speaker 1: preparedness and you can listen to it also on wherever
Speaker 1: you find podcasts. But Sophie's not on it, so it's
Speaker 1: not sad, y'all be sad about that for a moment,
Speaker 1: a moment of silence me. Where can people find you
Speaker 1: on the Internet?
Speaker 3: You can?
Speaker 2: You can, you can.
Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram. You can
Speaker 3: just search my name, I pop up and then you
Speaker 3: can follow out cool Zone Media also on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 1: And if you look on the Internet archive, you can
Speaker 1: find Sophie Lichtterman's MySpace page.
Speaker 3: Please don't put please do but please don't please don't there.
Speaker 2: It's really it's really not not it.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 2: You can find my profile.
Speaker 1: And my space.
Speaker 3: Don't find mine.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to tell you the name of
Speaker 1: the band I was in in two thousand and five
Speaker 1: thousand my space. It's terrible.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So everyone get research it. You have a vague
Speaker 2: sense of your assignment. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And we'll be back on Monday with another story of
Speaker 3: of a poopil did cool stuff.
Speaker 2: Yea, bye bye.
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