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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Bob Left Sets podcast

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Speaker 1: on tune in. Happy New Year. We took a short

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Speaker 1: break for the holidays, but we're back and I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm humbled by the initial response of the podcast, and

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Speaker 1: I've been able to line up some excellent guests in

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Speaker 1: future episodes. I can't wait to share those and hear

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Speaker 1: the podcast evolve. I think you're in for a treat,

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Speaker 1: so be sure to subscribe, leave reviews, Tell your friend's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a big year. This episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: go back a bit so you can learn a bit

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Speaker 1: more about me. In my inaugural episode, I had my

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Speaker 1: good friend John Boyle from Insomniac interview me so listeners

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Speaker 1: could learn a little bit about my background. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard episode one, I strongly recommend you go back

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Speaker 1: and check it out. John and I could talk for hours,

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Speaker 1: and we did. For the sake of time, my producers

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Speaker 1: recommended we split up our conversation into two episodes. However,

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Speaker 1: in this spirit of my letter, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: leave anything on the cutting room floor, So picking up

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Speaker 1: where we left off, here's the rest of my conversation

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Speaker 1: with John. I want to make the point John that

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Speaker 1: first and foremost is about perseverance. It's like you talk

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Speaker 1: about skiing. I would go ski if it was ten below,

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Speaker 1: if it was raining out, when no one else would go.

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Speaker 1: That's how I became such a good skier. I was

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Speaker 1: skiing at the Middlebury College snowball, and I knew I

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Speaker 1: was better than everybody else. But I didn't expect to

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Speaker 1: go to utahm be world class. But it was because

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Speaker 1: I would go every day no matter what. But speaking

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Speaker 1: of the writing, it's funny how there's you know, little

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Speaker 1: things that affect you that you don't realize at the time.

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Speaker 1: When I was a senior in high school and I

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Speaker 1: went to a regular public high school, but the teacher

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Speaker 1: had a sabbatical and he came back and he made

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Speaker 1: us right for five minutes every morning, and if we

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Speaker 1: didn't have a new idea, we had to write the

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Speaker 1: last three words of what we had written. In addition,

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Speaker 1: my mother made me take typing okay, which ended up

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Speaker 1: being a beneficial thing such that no one else writes

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Speaker 1: and I just read. I just read the new Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Egan book, Manhattan Beach, and she says, oh, I write

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Speaker 1: a terrible first draft and I rewrite it. And you

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Speaker 1: read about writers all the time they say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: about rewriting. I don't do it that way at all.

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Speaker 1: gun to my head. I could write no problem, you know,

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Speaker 1: Craiker record really loud and it comes out. I view

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Speaker 1: it like action painting, like Jackson Pollock. And I've learned

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Speaker 1: because I've been doing a long time. If I change

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Speaker 1: reread everything twice, sometimes three times, but never less than twice,

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Speaker 1: But I don't change anything else because I realized I

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Speaker 1: You know, great writing is a little bit like music.

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Speaker 1: What I say about music is the most anybody can

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Speaker 1: it for forty years. Okay, But the differences in the sixties,

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Speaker 1: all the music was made by middle class people. No

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Speaker 1: Can Be Together from Volunteers. Nobody will do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: They're afraid to rock the boat. Oh I'm an alienate

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Speaker 1: So my point being, as I said, here you go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm a writer. I have a lot of perks the

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Speaker 1: There's nothing bad you can say about it. It may

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Speaker 1: What I hate about the music business is their mantras

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Speaker 1: it's just because you're old. No, if you go back

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's let's talk a little bit. We've

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Speaker 1: we've talked about your history, right and your experience in

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Speaker 1: Although you were I think you're very relevant early on,

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Speaker 1: It's the harbinger for digital disruption. For nothing else, a

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Speaker 1: don't have to own anything. It's there when you want.

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Speaker 1: All these other industries have not caught up. If you

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Speaker 1: It used to be you can move to California leave

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Speaker 1: The scariest thing now is what you know. We had

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Speaker 1: elections and the Russians, but that is not really the story.

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Speaker 1: the Russians bought it right exactly. They determine what everybody

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Speaker 1: reciting facts from sites I am unaware of. Not only

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing. It's not like you know in

427
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Speaker 1: the Muppet movie. You know, right a the industry a

428
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: standard contract for a cermit in the Muppets. So this

429
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: is one of the problems in music. That is one

430
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Speaker 1: of the good things about chances. How do we blow

431
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: it up? How do we make it different? Okay, by

432
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: the same token, there are a lot of things are inexplicable.

433
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: I want to see this act Glass Animals. They sold

434
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Speaker 1: out the shrine. Everybody knew every word. You check every

435
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: chart you got going, you see nothing. Nothing. So you say,

436
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to some people. They say, well,

437
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: it's festival appearances, but so far the undercard to coach

438
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: hell that nobody ever breaks through, So we don't have

439
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: the answers to so much. There never istually been so

440
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: much information where we don't really know what's going on,

441
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: all right, So you just bring up Glass Animals. You

442
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: wrote about an act that I like a lot, Gretivan Fleet.

443
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: I went saw him at the Tube door. They're fucking great.

444
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a song, but if they

445
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: had a Welcome to the Jungle or smells like Team Spirit,

446
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: could there be a movement there? What do you think?

447
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what what is the state of rock? And

448
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: you like this band? I know you like. Let's go

449
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: back one step to Sam Smith with Barnett, who's head

450
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: of Capitol Records, and he was saying this is too

451
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: much for the record came out. He said, if this

452
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: record is successful, it will open up new avenues for

453
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Speaker 1: other artists to go through. I don't know if that's

454
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: absolutely true, but what do we know. The biggest act

455
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: in the world is Adele and she doesn't sound like

456
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: any of these acts, so it shows that there is

457
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: demand for something other than hip hop as far as

458
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Speaker 1: rock goes. What is interesting about Greta Van Fleet. For

459
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Speaker 1: those of you who have not listened, it sounds like

460
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Speaker 1: a total Zeppelin ripple, So you will laugh at first,

461
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: but especially the two middle tracks, you will say, wait,

462
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: they're good songs. They which every other Zeppelin rip off

463
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: they can play, but they don't have good songs. So

464
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: if you sit here and you are cynical, you say terrible.

465
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Speaker 1: But then if you think, wait a second, if you

466
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Speaker 1: look at all the English bands, we revere, they were

467
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: all listening to old blues records and jumping off of that.

468
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Speaker 1: So for somebody twenty years old today to be listening

469
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Speaker 1: to a forty seven year old record, which is what

470
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Speaker 1: LEDs actually forty eight years the initial led Zepplin record,

471
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: what's different about that? And reconstituting it. So if you

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Speaker 1: ask me, I will say, rock is dead? Why is

473
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: rock dead? Has become too South referential. I remember when

474
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Speaker 1: Black Sabbath came out, and that was as far as

475
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Speaker 1: anybody thought you could go. If you want to listen

476
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: to what is called metal at this point in times,

477
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: it is so far out there. The average person is

478
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: never gonna be like ho. So you have a Dell.

479
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: A Dell's got a great voice with songs you can

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Speaker 1: sing to. How come no one's repeating that formula that

481
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: we have what Sam Smith is a little exactly Sam

482
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: Smith's a little bit. So does that show a great opening?

483
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: As far as rock and roll we have the rock

484
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: and roll is the biggest sound today. If you really

485
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Speaker 1: want to think, as Tom the Deer Departed Tom Petty said,

486
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Speaker 1: and he said it negatively. Country music is a rock

487
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Speaker 1: and roll of the seventies. I'm watching the c M

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Speaker 1: a s And the opening number, uh, Keith Urban comes

489
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Speaker 1: out and starts to whale Well, and you go wow.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to one of my favorites was like

491
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Speaker 1: Keith Thurban Stupid Girl. And if you think country sucks,

492
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: listen to this Stupid Boy, the original Stupid Girl that

493
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: it was rewritten by him. Stupid Boy. He does like

494
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: a three minute solo at the end. It's like straight

495
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Speaker 1: out in nineteen seventy two, and it's great. So there's

496
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: hope for that sound. But there are too many sounds

497
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Speaker 1: that are too far off the mainstream or the core.

498
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Speaker 1: And I think we have to to quote Joni Mitchell,

499
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Speaker 1: get back to the garden. Well, you know when I

500
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: went to the Gratis show. What I noticed is in

501
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: the front there were a lot of really young girls

502
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: and that's a great sign, right And the rest of

503
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: the audience, we're a bunch of dudes in their thirties

504
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: and forties. I saw the same thing. But what I

505
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: would say is different is if you know your radio format,

506
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: and many people don't. The only format that matters is

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Speaker 1: Top forty, which presently is is hip hop with mostly pop.

508
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: There's Hot a C which is a softer version that matters,

509
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Speaker 1: but it really doesn't. Then there are these other formats

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Speaker 1: Urban Urban is really a Top forty at this point,

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Speaker 1: Triple A. It's forty exactly triple uh A Americana all

512
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: that ship they have a tripe. It doesn't matter. But

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Speaker 1: the reason I'm saying the chart for rock is called

514
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: active Rock Highway Tune which was number one by Greta

515
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: van Fleet for weeks didn't break two million streams on

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Speaker 1: on Spotify. And also it's the rockers or anti streaming

517
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: the audience. More country people stream van rockers. They have

518
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: to get with the programs, so everybody's gotta get on

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00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: the format first and foremost that Canna rock band, whether

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00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: it's Greta or any other rock band, can they write

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00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: a song that will have the We haven't had an

522
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: impactful rock song since Welcome to the Jungle and smells

523
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: like teen Spirit, and that happened within a two year period.

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00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: Unless you want to call Atlantis Morris set rock. You

525
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: ought to know all those tracks. But your point is

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00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: well taken. But the other point is those were great records.

527
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: There used to be ridiculous. There used to be tower

528
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: records on Westwood Boulevard. The main tower was on Sun Said.

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Speaker 1: I remember being there one time in because if you

530
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Speaker 1: lived in l A, you were hearing the hype about

531
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: guns and roses for years. I'm there, there's a record

532
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: playing over the sound system. So while this is a

533
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: great record, only twice in my life that in Genesis,

534
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: Wind and Weathering that I ever buy the record that

535
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: was on the in house system. So the best track

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00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: of the first decade of the century in my ballpark

537
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: is narls Barkley Crazy you only eat here at once?

538
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I cannot mention you know what about time funk you up?

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00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Problem with that is to me, it's too much of

540
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: a rip off. It's too much of a Marvin I

541
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: don't wanna get the legality. I don't think it's copyright infringement,

542
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: but it's so it's so reminiscent of that. I'm just

543
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: not a new top. By the same token, there's certainly

544
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: country the Brothers Osborne stay a little longer. You listen

545
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: to the second half where they're really wailing in the

546
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: extended version. I listened to that again and again. But

547
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: there aren't enough great records. Al right, commercial radio terrestrial

548
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: radio terrestrial right right, you know, the data still says

549
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: that it's the number one form of discovery. Fuck the statistics.

550
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: The statistics are manipulated so the people who paid for

551
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: them will feel good. Okay, anybody will tell you. Research

552
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: will tell you where you've been as opposed to where

553
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: you're going. And if you read all these reports, which

554
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: they do, they always say the younger generation is not unique.

555
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: There's an overall volume. Your generation is not listening. This

556
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: does not square with the times I've been thinking about

557
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: this a lot. Relative to automated cars. Okay, because we

558
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: now have light rail in Los Angeles, I don't take

559
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the light rail that frequently for varying reasons, because it's

560
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: not on demand. It's like the movies. I don't know.

561
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: There are a couple of movies that I would like

562
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: to see. It doesn't start when I get there. Okay.

563
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: So when you have UM on your Internet or your

564
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 1: own iPhone or whatever, you can listen to what you

565
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: want when you want. Now, if radio or culture role

566
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: like it was fifty years ago, where there was personalities

567
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: and they actually chose the record to be one thing.

568
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: But these are playlisted by one guy for the whole country.

569
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: It's so phony. No one can listen to a torrestrial radio.

570
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: So the younger generation, it's how you're gonna keep them

571
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: down on the farm after they've seem PERI you know,

572
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: it's an music isn't on to me. And I'll give

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00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: you a classic example. Beginning of this century. Everybody's bitching,

574
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: even justin timber Lake on the v M A s

575
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: MTV has gotta play more videos. Tom Freston was head

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Speaker 1: of the music television at that time. I said, Tom,

577
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: what about this. He goes, We're never gonna play videos again.

578
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Video is an on the man item on the internet.

579
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: He was right. Music is an on demand item. You

580
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Speaker 1: want to listen to Howard Stern, that's great. Radio to

581
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: rest to satellite is different because there's so many channels.

582
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: You can push the buttons and there are no commercials.

583
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: But what about all the middle class people and poor

584
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: people driving to work every day. This is the same

585
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: thing people talk about flyover people, the assholes in Los

586
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: Angeles and New York saying, oh, the flyover people. You've

587
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: been to Iowa. They got they got a hundred mega

588
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: bit down the internet. They got the same hundred and

589
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: fifty channels. There is sophisticated as you and me. So

590
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: if we want to really because everything is gradual. Everything

591
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: is gradual until it falls off a cliff. So when

592
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: people tell you, hey, it's not coming yet, okay, I

593
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: use the example of digital photography. We heard for ten

594
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: years that digital was going to replace film. Never happened that.

595
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: In one year, everybody got rid of their film cameras

596
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: and it was digitalument exactly. So it is the same thing.

597
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying terrestrial radio is gonna be over tomorrow. Yes,

598
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: we have to get to the point with internet and cars. Okay,

599
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: other than Audi and BMW, Internet and cars is not

600
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: really here now, not to mention that we haven't gotten

601
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: to five G, etcetera, etcetera. So some things have to change.

602
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: I would say the big argument for radio is it's

603
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: not about music turning into something else. Hi, everyone, Bob

604
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: left Sets here. I just wanted to take a moment

605
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: and thank you for listening to my podcast. My goal

606
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: is to make your life more interesting and exciting. I

607
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: want to give you information and entertain you simultaneously. If

608
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: you have any interest in music, technology or pop culture,

609
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to sign up. So search left Sets

610
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: on your tune in app or where you get your podcasts.

611
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: As my father would say, that's l you like Edward,

612
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: FF like Frank, s like Sam? You like Edward? Do

613
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: you like Tom's? You like Zebra? I have to spell

614
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: that every time I call a doctor or make a

615
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: reservation and go down the rabbit hole with me. Alright,

616
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: So I want to move on to another subject, the

617
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: age old argument of uh, content versus distribution. We've had

618
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: this conversation before. What's very interesting right now? As you

619
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: have Netflix? Um, I think Apple just signed Jennifer Jennifer

620
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: Aniston Jennifer Aniston massive, right, and you got Hulu? Okay, wait, WHOA,

621
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: let's separate the issues. I want to talk broadly. You go,

622
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: we just say y'all know. I try to ask Bob

623
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: a question and he just takes it over. So, okay.

624
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: People have said for years content is king. That is

625
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: absolutely fucking wrong. I hammer this again and again. If

626
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: you read me, you want okay, Really, distribution is king.

627
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: It is very simple. If you make the best record

628
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Speaker 1: of all time and no one can hear it, what

629
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Speaker 1: difference does it make. It's a person who gets it

630
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: to the end listener who is king. What do we

631
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: know in the music business. We have these streaming services.

632
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: I believe one will end up with the market past

633
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: right now. I've been on Spotify. I wouldn't say that's

634
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: the finest number two Amazon? Really? What about Apple? Apple's

635
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: problem is they've already marketed to everybody they have the

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Speaker 1: credit card of so where are they going to get

637
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Speaker 1: new sub titles? These are will continue to be success

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Speaker 1: full in France, at least for a while. But Amazon,

639
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: they have a lot of stealth stuff. Okay, if you

640
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: have Amazon Prime and an Echo, you can listen to

641
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: music without paying an additional fee. They will tell you

642
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: if you ask for something that they cannot give you,

643
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: they will tell you, hey, for three you can get

644
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. You can get all the tracks

645
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: on your Echo. You can also pay more. You can

646
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: get all your tracks everywhere. So they are marketing to

647
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: a hundred million people constantly. Well, and you're you're a

648
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: big proponent of this because you have the system, you

649
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: have the new Sona system with UM Well, I gotta

650
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: tell you, you you know this is people have been talking

651
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: all along about their kids are in the car, and

652
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: they start the kids in the car start talking about

653
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: telling the car what to do via Alexa. I literally

654
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: have this in my house. Last Wednesday night, I told

655
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: the TV to turn off. I didn't even I don't

656
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: have it plugged in another smart thing. But I have

657
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: everything else in my house voice controlled. And you get

658
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: to the point you expect everything to be voice controlled.

659
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, for some reason, I had

660
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Spotify hooked up to my Alexa and I switched the

661
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: default to Amazon. I was messing with it yesterday. Didn't

662
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: get one song wrong. Once you experience voice control, you

663
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: will never go back. So distribution, you believe wins over content.

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Speaker 1: But if you're talking in television, don't forget. If you

665
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: go back to earlier in our conversation, one of the

666
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: flaws we have is in the music business. We figured

667
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: out there's no content difference between Amazon, Apple Spotify. It's

668
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: all the same content. There's a little number of Spotify sessions,

669
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: but exclusives are completely gone. In television, they always think

670
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: they're different. Okay, same thing in the movies. So what

671
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: happened was Netflix got all the content and they built

672
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: their service. Then they started with original content. Now everybody

673
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: wants to compete with them, hence the Apple deal. Okay,

674
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: but before you get there, let's talk with Disney. Disney

675
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: wants to have their own independent app. Okay, I want

676
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: to pay an additional ten dollars a month. What am

677
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: I getting? If you follow the news, they were thinking

678
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: about buying twenty century Fox just to add to the content,

679
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: So I get the Disney channel where the ratings are

680
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: going down, just like a nickelodeon Fox Sports. Well, right now,

681
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: let's just talk what they have right now. Okay. If

682
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: they have Disney and they're talking about ESPN being a

683
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: standalone thing, people don't want to pay separately for everything. Okay,

684
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: so Netflix has already established a beach head. These are

685
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Internet rules either not entertainment rules. Intertent rules are there's

686
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: a first mover advantage as long as you continue to innovate.

687
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: So if you look at the iPod, etcetera. The iPods

688
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: advantage was FireWire transfer, which was high speed transfer and

689
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: a better interface that was open to everybody was in

690
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: the marketplace before. They did not pick up on it.

691
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: My Space had a terrible interface. Okay, they could have

692
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: fixed that. They did. Facebook came in. Facebook is constantly innovating.

693
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: Spotify is constantly innovating. They're not resting on their laurels.

694
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Netflix is constantly innovating. So to compete with them, you

695
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: have to start from brown zero. You have to have content,

696
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: you have to be better. That's a huge hurdle decline.

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00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: So if you look at Amazon, Amazon's problem. Amazon is

698
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: now switching up their TV offering to try to have

699
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones. That is not their problem. Their

700
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: problem primarily is no one knows what Amazon streaming is,

701
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: even if they're paying for it. You know, Transparent wins

702
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: all the awards. Not even a million people watch Transparent.

703
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: I think it happens to be a great show. You

704
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: get so many other things. It's like the Apple streaming app. Okay,

705
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: to figure out what my library is and what streaming

706
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: is is way too difficult. This is Clayton Christians in

707
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: the innovator's dilemma. What you do is you disrupt yourself.

708
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: You start the new business across the street, and then

709
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: at some point shift everybody into the new business, and

710
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: you forget about the old by trying to appeal to

711
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: the old. Simultaneously, you hurt yourself by trying to appeal

712
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: to the people are buying tracks. There should be two apps.

713
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: You have iTunes listen to your tracks. Then there's Apple

714
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: Music streaming oldly. All right, So out of all of

715
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: this technology wise, who do you think wins? Okay, let's

716
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: be very clear. Most people believe there are four players.

717
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: The guy far Hid mons you in the Times close

718
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: their five players. He includes Microsoft. Amazon has one retail.

719
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: No one can compete Walmart. In the paper today, they're

720
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna make the products more expensive online than they are

721
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: in the store. Who the funk wants to go to

722
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: the store if you have Amazon Prime, Okay, I don't

723
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: ask me about the ecological and the element whatever. I

724
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: want to go to the store. Don't forget I've been

725
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: living a long time. Frequently when you go to the store,

726
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: they don't even have the product, So you've wasted a trip.

727
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: Amazon owns, right Amazon, and then no one knows what's

728
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: going on. Know what you want, what you're you know

729
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: what you're looking for, right? So I mean I had

730
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: to go. I was getting calling oscarpy, I had to

731
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: go get broth and jello. You're in the you're in

732
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: the grocery store where you're gonna find that happened to

733
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: be outside my normal neighborhood. How am I gonna find

734
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: that stuff? It's easier to order it online. So in

735
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: terms of retail, that's another thing. We said Amazon's gonna

736
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: crush physical retail for fifteen years. It's only been in

737
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: the last twelve months that this has literally started to happen.

738
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Speaker 1: So that's Amazon. I am not a big believer in Apple.

739
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: I own a zillion Apple devices. I've been on Apple

740
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: since eighties six. Unlike movies and television, there's no catalog

741
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: in tech, it's what have you done for me? Lately?

742
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Apple has a huge advantage. They have people locked into

743
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: their ecosystem. All the devices work together. But when we

744
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: go to the next thing, whatever it may be, and

745
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: there is going to be the next thing beyond the phone, okay,

746
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: will they be the leader? First of all, they're not

747
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: the leader in numbers. This is one of the things

748
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: that makes me crazy. I hear this all the time.

749
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: It's like with the Taylor Swift album. They talk about

750
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: the money. Oh, we're in the first week of Taylor

751
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Swift cell. She's gonna sell the album. It's about longevity.

752
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: There's a new number one every week. If the songs

753
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: are not continuing to play on streaming services, it means

754
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: you're already done. So. Yes, the iPhone makes all the

755
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: profits in the handset business today, but Android trumpet in

756
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: terms of usership. By the way, my iPhone is all

757
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: sucked up right now. There's a lot of stuff that's

758
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: sucked up on my iPhone now that it doesn't go

759
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: back from landscape to portrait and everybody emails, oh you

760
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: locked it. Believe me, I'm not that stupid. There's a

761
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of little stuff that didn't used to be screwed up.

762
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm not about to jump to Android, okay, But it's

763
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: about the power of the individual. I was reading the

764
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: New York Times today about a woman who tracks the

765
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: power of social media in terms of little verticals. She

766
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: ended up being hired by the Senate to inform them

767
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: how to ask questions to Google, etcetera. One person can

768
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Speaker 1: make a difference. Who is that person in Apple? He

769
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. That was the power of Steve Jobs. So

770
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: that is Apple. Google has shown their hit to ship

771
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: ratio is terrible. Okay, they had the glass, they fucked

772
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: up whatever. So when people tell me, it's like, ok glass, Okay,

773
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: so Google tell me I can't even hear that without laughing. Okay,

774
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: people tell me, first of all, who's gonna wear them?

775
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: The nerds at Google didn't realize they look terrible. And

776
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: then if you just saw Snapchat wrote off a huge

777
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: amount of money for Snapchat glasses. So it's just like

778
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: when A O L. When MSN network came in, they

779
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't beat a O L. Okay, I don't necessarily think

780
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Google is gonna come in. Facebook is very sharp and

781
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: they're not afraid to spend money. So in that hierarchy,

782
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, I put Amazon above Facebook and Google. Facebook

783
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: and Google are very strong. Alright, let's move into something

784
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: a little more serious. Our world it's pretty fucked up, right. Um,

785
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: you've been you've been pretty outspoken about this. You were

786
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: very involved in the sixties and seventies. We got some

787
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: crazy ship going on. Right now, Let's start from the began.

788
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: Let's look from the Democratic perspective. This is what I

789
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: love about Bob. I can never finish my question. Tell

790
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: me if you know you can interrupt me. No, actually

791
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: I I only asked my questions that you can interrupt me.

792
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: Just the problem with the Democrats is they used the

793
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: old Bill Clinton concept of triangulating. If you we've already

794
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: established if you were researching, it will tell you where

795
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: you've been. If Bernie had started a year earlier, he

796
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: would be president today. What Bernie did was speak English.

797
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: I remember after one of his uh victory speeches in

798
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: the primary season that a Republican commentator he goes, if

799
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: I weren't a Republican, I would vote for Bernie. They

800
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: did not realize what a pear. We live in a

801
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: different world. I don't want to talk about that, but

802
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you about myself talking to Debbie Wasson

803
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: and Stults. She was in the pocket for Hillary. Forget Russia,

804
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: forget all that crap. If the Democrats want to win,

805
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: they have to speak English, we have to find a candidate, etcetera.

806
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: That's a huge development. The next thing is jerrymandering. Okay,

807
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: jerrymandering is a huge problem. Then to go into Jerry

808
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: Springer said on Howard Stern, I'm a big believer liberals

809
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: always win in the end. We have gay marriage, we

810
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: have all these things. So in the long term, what

811
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: the Democrats and the Republicans failed to see is many

812
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: people have been left behind. It is not only the

813
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: blue collar worker. It is a so called middle class.

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Speaker 1: If you're an educated person and you're not a financier

815
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: or a techie, good chance you're struggling yourself. Okay. Now

816
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: we have highly educated city dwellers who have no sympathy

817
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: for the downtron and say, oh, they're doing dope, etcetera.

818
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: So there's contempt on the left for so many people.

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00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: Do you think those people don't read it as far

820
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: as it is on the right, it's a party controlled

821
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: by rich people, the Koch brothers. They've literally been running

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00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: on social issues and appealing to people of disadvantages. So

823
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: it's not all the social issues okay, of course. But

824
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the more interesting thing now is what is the landscape.

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00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Sullivan, I think he's a blowhard, but he was

826
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: a gay Republican. It first hard to believe. He wrote

827
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: an article New York Magazine about a month. It was endless.

828
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Speaker 1: You can't read it, but the concept it was good.

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Speaker 1: We live in a tribal nation, doesn't matter what you say.

830
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Speaker 1: Person is on one side or Malcolm Gladwell ship right

831
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Speaker 1: here right. So then the other thing is you cannot

832
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Speaker 1: convince somebody with facts. You can show them the facts

833
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: I've had, they cannot switch size. So we have a

834
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Speaker 1: disinformation society. The best news source in America, probably the world,

835
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Speaker 1: is the New York Time Times. I can sit here

836
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: and point to you flaws with the New York Times. Okay,

837
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: they have bureaus everywhere more than anybody else. The New

838
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: York Times. The right wing has completely neuter the New

839
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: York Times, even though they get their agenda from the

840
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: New York Times. If you bring it up, they say

841
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: fake news. Okay, even though we know Fox is biased

842
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: such that we cannot agree on the facts. So if

843
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: you get someone on the left like myself ranting and

844
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: raving about the right beliefs, we are not moving the

845
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: ball at all. So the ball has to be moved

846
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: outside the limelight. We're almost in a Mr Smith goes

847
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Speaker 1: to Washington Arrow. We need somebody really pure. I really

848
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: don't believe Mark Cuban will be elected because I believe

849
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: just what we have in Minnesota where we had Uh

850
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: the wrestler as governor, people see this is a professional job,

851
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: irrelevant of whatever businessman's beliefs are exactly, So I don't

852
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: believe we're gonna have another celebrity. But is a lot

853
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: of contempt for Washington. We need honest people who are

854
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: literally proffering solutions for other people. But we live in

855
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: a country where nobody wants to sacrifice. No one can

856
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: lose their job, So the Liberals are bad on this.

857
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: Liberals come up with a lot of stuff that is

858
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: just worship. Bring manufacturing back to America, you know, we'll

859
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: bring manufacturing back when you want to pay two thousand

860
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: You want to pay two thousand dollars for a flat screen?

861
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: I was at somebody's house the other day. They said,

862
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: we have a TV outside, So what do you do

863
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: when it rains? If it gets funked up up by

864
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: a new one? For Twitter and thirty six dollars. My

865
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: wife works for a big apparel company, and like it's

866
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: like if they had to manufacture their goods here. It

867
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be possible not to mention the fact that I

868
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: was just reading about some of these companies go down

869
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: because fast fashion used to be bought clothes, expensive clothes.

870
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: Last time people buy t shirts an old Navy for

871
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: seven dollars, where for a few times throw them away.

872
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: They're not going back to that. The good paying jobs

873
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: that we thought there were are not coming back. There's

874
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: nothing we can do about it, right, all right, so

875
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: did Russia medal? Of course, I don't believe we should

876
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: run the election again. I just believe we have to.

877
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: We realize that Facebook et cetera not Benige, and how

878
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: are we gonna go into this thing, and how we're

879
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna solve this problem of being influenced by these sites?

880
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: So um Vegas. I can't believe it. It's like we're

881
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: gonna write a newspaper. Okay, Vegas is a terrible situation.

882
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: If I ran the world, there would be no guns. Okay,

883
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: I can understand. I can understand bose and arrows for hunting,

884
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: and I on some level I seem like maybe we

885
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: should make an exclusion for that. But if you read

886
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: the New York times once again quitting it again. The

887
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: number of mass deaths correlates with a number of guns

888
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: in the population. That reduced the number of guns of

889
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: population to Australia, there were fewer deaths. Okay, we this

890
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: is the same thing. Everybody is afraid of the n

891
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: r A. Okay, most people are guns only the politicians

892
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: are exactly well. True. So therefore we have a very

893
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: vocal subgroup and it's making people afraid. We have to

894
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: address this ft the source. We have to get rid

895
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: of the guns themselves. Most of the guns are used

896
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: in domestic disputes. This is terrible. I can tell you

897
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: if I had a gun in the house, there are

898
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: a couple of times in my life I would have

899
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: committed suicide with so much pain, but there was no

900
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: gun in the house. So there should not be guns

901
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: in the house. We should, I know. All the right

902
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: wings say, hey, you know one of the reason gun

903
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: sales are down now is because of the Democrats not

904
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: in office. They're saying, hey, we should They're they're gonna

905
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: come take our guns. They should take your guns. What

906
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: the funk you need the gun for? Do you think

907
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: what happened in Vegas is going to change. And I mean, look,

908
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm in the inner circle, right, I'm asking you, do

909
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: you think what happened in Vegas is going to change

910
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: our business? Because if you look at Manchester in Vegas,

911
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: both of the explosions or the firings was from outside

912
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: the perimeter. Okay, what is the responsibility of the Staples Center?

913
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: Are they responsible to Santa Monica? They had that guy

914
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: who wrote a book and he was on Howard Journey Nights,

915
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: the Fox Consultan who shot ben Leyden been bin Laden.

916
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: You can shoot people from two miles away. Now that

917
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: is not the promoter's responsibility. Promoter certainly should secure the building,

918
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: should do his best to secure the perimeter. By the way,

919
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: it's a super Bowl, it's everything else, right, I mean,

920
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: it's any other matters. But look at look at the situations.

921
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: I remember all the hijackings we had on airplanes since

922
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: they have and they're pretty heinous, all these screenings. Oh,

923
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: I know, there's no more here hijackings. So it works.

924
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: So if we get rid of the guns, there won't

925
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: be a problem. Do you think that the big concert

926
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: promoter should take a bigger stance against um anti gun, Yes,

927
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: because they're the ones who're gonna get hurt. This is

928
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: like the NFL, the right wing paper of record, Wall

929
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: Street Journal, which I certainly get read every day. They

930
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: said the kneeling did not affect the NFL viewership whatsoever.

931
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: So they said, the people in the Red States want

932
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: to watch football, they watch. If you're a fan of

933
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: a country art you're a fan of Jason Aldan, and

934
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: I tell you Live Nation is against guns. You're not

935
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna go to the show, forget about. Of course you're

936
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna go to the show. So it would be great.

937
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: But the problem is there's no external force forcing these

938
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: companies to do it. Live Nation is a public company.

939
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: They're worried about their stock price. A g is not.

940
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: But yes, they have to take responsibility because what do

941
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: we know, it's going to happen again. But isn't it

942
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: interesting that the country music business has kind of started

943
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: to shift a little bit in terms of what well,

944
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean a few artists have come out against I mean,

945
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: by the way the country music business was like, it's

946
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: like gun Central, right. Well, literally, the n r A

947
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: was sponsoring acts and still does to this date. I

948
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: think that we have some you know, we have some

949
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: outliers who say, hey, like guitarists in one of the

950
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: bands from the Root ninety one festival or whatever, the

951
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: one in Vegas, whatever it's called, saying now I'm for

952
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: gun control. The fact that a couple of country acts

953
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: are against country. The vast majority of them in the

954
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: audience is pro guns. And I'm a country music fan.

955
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: But that's just a fact. Would you ever hesitate to

956
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: go to a in light of this? Would you ever

957
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: hesitate to go to another show? Hesitate is a good word,

958
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: because the week before the Country festival in Vegas, there

959
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: was the Life Is Beautiful festival, and I came very

960
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: close to going. And the shooter at Vegas. It's cased

961
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: that out. So I don't think it would prevent me

962
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: from going, but I certainly believe I might be anxious.

963
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Now what this goes back to your early question, I'm

964
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: playing putting faith in live nation in ag to protect me.

965
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: If you look at and these are friends of mine,

966
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, if we look at hard

967
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: summer where these people are dying, it begs the question

968
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: people might die in electronic music festivals. But how good

969
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: was preparation? How good was your emergency services, etcetera. The promoter,

970
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, Live Nation just reported record profits. They do

971
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: have a responsibility, but what it's not black and white.

972
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: It's not absolutely clear what they should do. Maybe you know,

973
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: maybe the first thing is you turn in your gun,

974
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: you get to go three free concerts. I don't know. Well,

975
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I can tell you definitively like both companies,

976
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm in the inner circle, right, like everybody

977
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: does everything they can, right, there's always more you can

978
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: do when you have people as there's there's nothing more

979
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: you could do in Vegas, Like how could you prevent Vegas?

980
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: This is not my business to prevent it. And then

981
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm not sure the promoter can prevent it.

982
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: Nobody can. But the only thing that bothered me about

983
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: Vegas is it was business as usual very soon after

984
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: it happened. And I also think this is contempt. If

985
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: it had been a classical music concert, or it had

986
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: been classic rock, we'd still be hearing it because it

987
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: was country artists. Media everything is a media problem. The

988
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: media problem is people are against guns, but you now

989
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: have a podcast. I just this is just maybe you

990
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: can make a big deal. This is just like politics,

991
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: it is not about bloviating. It is about doing the

992
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: hard work, doing the best to secure the perimeter of

993
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: a show, but also starting initiatives. I'm not sure that

994
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: a concert is the number one place, but we're turning

995
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: into the UK where terrorism we were immune, we're terrorism

996
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: is de rigor. We're going into uncharted terroristory. I can

997
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: guarantee you that both companies are doing everything they can.

998
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? No? I don't think this

999
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: is their number one thing. The nature of the music

1000
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: business is to cut corners. No, no, no, no no,

1001
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: that's what the music business does. If you're a promoter,

1002
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: we both know other than on festivals, the lion's share

1003
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: of the money goes to the acts, so ten percent

1004
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: or less goes to the promoter. I'm gonna tell the

1005
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: promoter to pay for this, to pay for that, no,

1006
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: bob Um. I can tell you that both companies do

1007
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: everything they can to minimize this. I am saying I

1008
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: don't want to single out these companies when you deal

1009
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: with public corporations. I don't want to sound like a

1010
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: tinfoil guy, Okay, But as I say, I do not

1011
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: believe they're busy wasting a lot of money. Do they

1012
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: have a task force hiring security specialists from outside the thing?

1013
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: Are they profiling ticket I want to see Kat Stevens

1014
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: because the answer to all the above is yes. So

1015
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: I went to see Kat Stevens and the manager said

1016
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: they literally researched every attendee their background because of the

1017
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Muslim problem. Live Nation and a G are not researching

1018
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: every attendee at every show. I'm not saying I'm not

1019
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: saying that when you say they're doing everything they can,

1020
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: and this might be they might be doing above and

1021
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: beyond job. But there's always more you can do. No more,

1022
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: no more serious stuff, more fun stuff. Okay, who is

1023
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: your favorite band in the world? I thought you can

1024
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: ask a different question the best shows I ever went to?

1025
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: But I have three at three in this genre. So

1026
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: favorite band, favorite show. He's the most important band in

1027
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, let wait, wait the shows. The three

1028
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: best shows I ever saw were The Who Doing Tommy

1029
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: at the Fillmore East. I saw it at the Universally

1030
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: Amphi Theater. But though this is in n Tommy Tommy

1031
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: was fresh and you couldn't believe Keith would have looked

1032
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: like two drummers, Prince doing Dirty Mind at Flippers Roller Disco.

1033
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: For those who don't remember, Reagan was shot and they

1034
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: delay the Academy Awards by one day, and the day

1035
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: they had it that was the day of the Prince show.

1036
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: There were fewer than a hundred people there. He did

1037
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: the whole show, flopping on the bed. It was unbelievable.

1038
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: Then you too, Octung Baby indoors. They ultimately played the stadiums.

1039
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: I saw that, but indoors with Zoo TV, with the

1040
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: trabants and everything. Those are the three best shows I've

1041
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: ever seen. And he's your favorite band of all time?

1042
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: I literally suppled, Come on, I don't know. I would

1043
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: not say Zeppelin. I mean I would go with my

1044
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: early band. I'm a huge Jan and Dean favorite. I'm

1045
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: a huge Beach Boys fan. Otherwise I wouldn't live in

1046
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: l A. I'm a huge Joni Mitchell fan, a C

1047
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: d C. Back in Black. There's no better record, and

1048
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: none of their records are that good. So that's your

1049
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: favorite album of all time? No, no, no, I mean

1050
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: some of these albums are so overplayed that you can bear.

1051
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a history with all of these albums.

1052
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, what is the best Beatles record?

1053
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: This is it's a whole a mother thing. You know,

1054
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: for a long time mine was. You know, people shoot

1055
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: on and now, but sergeant question, it's like, I literally

1056
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I want you to answer the question. Literally can't answer.

1057
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: I just literally don't have an answer. I can put

1058
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: something out of my ask but too many records, favorite

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00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: band of all time? No, I've followed you forever. Um,

1060
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: we've done friends forever. Your writing has changed, really it has.

1061
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: Tell me how it's changed. Well, you used to be um.

1062
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 1: Things used to be a lot more personal. Okay, on,

1063
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: without putting forth examples, I just want to ask you, like,

1064
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: how do you feel your writing house one question at

1065
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: one time. Let's talk about the personal. I love writing

1066
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: about the personal, and I would rather write about the

1067
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: personal than maybe maybe let me let me, let me

1068
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: go on about this, because you you hit on a

1069
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: key thing. I reached a certain level of ubiquity fame

1070
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: where if I write about anybody, they read it. So

1071
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: I wrote out about asking a girl for a dance

1072
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: at a bar Mitzvah party, and I heard from the woman.

1073
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: This is forty years later. Fifty years later, she lives

1074
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: in Boston. What else is like politics right now? Right?

1075
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: But she But then I was walking in the mountains

1076
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: just this week and I had, you know, I don't

1077
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: have the unlimited plan with Verizon, and you've gotta be

1078
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: on Verizon no matter what anybody says. The connections are better,

1079
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: and especially SKI you get LT all over veil, whereas

1080
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: T Mobile and a T T you can get the text.

1081
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I called the hospital. I thought a friend

1082
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: of might be injured. I never heard back. It's very

1083
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: important that that the connection comes in and Vail Verizon

1084
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: is the best connection. It is the most expensive anyway.

1085
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: But they just went to an unlimited plan. I don't

1086
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: I haven't gone to unlimited plants. I don't watch much video.

1087
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: But they have carry over such that I had some

1088
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: data carry over. So I said, I'm gonna use some

1089
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: of these music services us to pull out things while

1090
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm hiking. And it's amazing going to hike. It burned

1091
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: up like two and a half gigs worth of data.

1092
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: And I'm going through things that come to my mind,

1093
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: and I think of the great Robbie Robertson song Broken Arrow. Okay,

1094
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: and I remembered how I got into it. Okay, I'm

1095
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the backstory, which I was unclear. I'm

1096
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: gonna tell you some details I was not gonna put

1097
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: in a walkthrough. And by the way, this is the

1098
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: best part of the interview. Here we go, bobus. So,

1099
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: I was married and there's a lot of stories there,

1100
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: but it started to take a negative turn, and the

1101
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: woman I was married to was starting She grew up

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, where I grew up in Connecticut, and

1103
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: she started to reconnect with some of the people she

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00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: lived with in Santa Monica, and she reconnected with some

1105
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: people in Mill Valley and we she let's go up there,

1106
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: and I did, so we drove up. It was kind

1107
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: of okay. Now, it's like six or seven hours. These

1108
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: couple were very nice, and the next day we walked

1109
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: through Mill Valley and my girlfriend was my wife at

1110
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: that time, was really distant. I remember watching um the

1111
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Traveling Wilberries on their TV. It just about the guy

1112
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the Traveling Wilberries. Two bedroom house.

1113
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: He and his wife were one bedroom, and they're two

1114
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: young twins under the age of five or in the

1115
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: other and I remember having sex with my ex wife

1116
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: on the other living room floor, so it made me

1117
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: feel like, hey, things are good again. Then we went

1118
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: to stay in you in San Francisco for a night

1119
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: before we drove home. After staying with this couple for

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: two nights. What she was very non responsive and where

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01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: do you want to go in San Francisco? Remember when

1122
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: I think it's called the Imaginarium or something like that,

1123
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: EXPLORATORI um. I went with her, and she was really distant.

1124
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: Where you want to stay? And we stayed here in

1125
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: the hotel was really distant, okay? And we left San Francisco.

1126
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: Wasn't that early after staying the night. I assumed that

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: she would drive something, but she wouldn't drive, and she

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01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to me. And you're driving down the five

1129
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: and it's really creepy. And that Robbie Robertson album was new,

1130
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: and I heard Broken Arrow and it resonated. Okay, and

1131
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: I kept she was She's so distant. I just played

1132
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: it again and again and again. That's how I get

1133
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: into the track. Now I could have written I was

1134
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: thinking about writing about that. The problem is all my

1135
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: inspiration comes late at night, and I had to do

1136
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: something early in the morning that night and you can't

1137
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: sleep after writing. I would not have included the sex

1138
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: on the floor, okay, because people people can't handle it.

1139
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: I used to write about that, he used to That's

1140
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I was then. I was talking

1141
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: about something with my uh this woman I lived within

1142
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: law school, and she's emailed me a number of times.

1143
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: It's like, you sit there and I hate to admit it.

1144
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm inherently inhibited. It's I'm trying to get back into

1145
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: that zone. It's I was thinking about it just yesterday.

1146
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: When you no one's paying attention, you can do whatever

1147
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: you want. It's like, I went to this affair last night,

1148
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: and if I didn't have to get up early for

1149
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: this other appointment this morning, I might have written about

1150
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: it last night. Now I'm not exactly in the groove

1151
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: in the old days, I have written about it anyway,

1152
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: But I don't want to write and get ship. I mean,

1153
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: this is so important, let me expand it a little bit.

1154
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: Go Bob. I'm a great writer with people. The reason

1155
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: what I was doing in the music business for a year,

1156
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: nobody was doing anything like that. You invented this ship.

1157
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: But in the last few years. There's some people who

1158
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: do it, and there's some people with some decent insight,

1159
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: but they can't write for ship now. They can't write

1160
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: for ship. They're all about breaking stories, right, and so

1161
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: you read it even when it's analysis this you go,

1162
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: I just can't finish it. So first and foremost what

1163
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: I write has to be readable, okay, but well and enjoyable. Okay.

1164
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to say you have to. You know,

1165
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: you have to your eyes, don't it. You can't glaze over.

1166
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: What we have in society today is we have don't

1167
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: forget we have the Internet. We have we have newspapers

1168
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: and magazines. This woman, I know you used to write

1169
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: for the Wall Street Journal. They literally right the space. Okay,

1170
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to write the space. In addition writing

1171
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: for the phone with most people read this stuff on

1172
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: the phone now when you wrote for the computer, okay,

1173
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 1: people read more now on the phone. If it doesn't

1174
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: grab you right away, people, this is really fascinating. This

1175
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: is I can I'm like in the eye of the hurricane.

1176
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm sitting this out and it's funny. I went to

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Speaker 1: the City of Hope dinner. I wrote about um jay

1178
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: Z ticket sales. I didn't get such a big response.

1179
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: I went to the City Hope dinner two weeks ago.

1180
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: Everybody want to talk about every promoter. I said, if

1181
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: I didn't come here, I wouldn't know. It's just like

1182
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: talking to you about this. So people right, books, Okay,

1183
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: The publishing business a very small business. They funked up

1184
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: and they killed the kindle. The kindle was about a

1185
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: lower barrier to entry. It was just like music in

1186
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: that there's no packaging costs, there's no returns. Okay, But

1187
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: they were so fearful books being cheap that they raised

1188
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: the prices and kept the physical book business going. So

1189
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: they cut off their nose despite their face. They kept

1190
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: their business small because we all know everybody's gonna eventually

1191
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: read digitally, but it's a small circle of educated people

1192
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: who believe that it should be rewriting. I read some

1193
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: of these books like this, Jennifer Egan. She's a nice person.

1194
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: This book is hard to read. It's got some good wisdom,

1195
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: but it's hard to read. So I sit at home

1196
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: and feel inadequate, and I feel in him, and I granted.

1197
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: As I was telling Jason Flow the other days, talk

1198
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: about these bands. Something I write. Listen, I reach more

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01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: people than most of the bands I write about, but

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01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I reach more people than people

1201
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: write novels, by a great thing. But I am inhibited.

1202
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: I would like to reach more people, and I'm trying

1203
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: to be now that there's so many voices out there.

1204
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: Maybe if you listen, this has been very This has

1205
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: been the highlight for me. Yes, I would like to

1206
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: do more of that. But you write it, and you know,

1207
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: I wrote about getting my colonoscopy and people are tweeting.

1208
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: People are tweeting and they say, oh, I can't read

1209
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: that one based on the head, you know, but the header, etcetera, etcetera.

1210
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: And I've written a lot of stuff like that about

1211
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: getting dental work whatever, and my audience likes it, but

1212
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: there are people who can't handle it. And I'm I'm

1213
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: coming a long way, but I still have to get

1214
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: back to what I used to be. Well I think, um,

1215
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: I think, um, I think you have come a long way. Um,

1216
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: I think we're probably near the end of this all. Wait,

1217
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: just before we go any more questions about the writing, Well, no, uh,

1218
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: A couple of comments for you, okay, um one um uh,

1219
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: thank you for inviting me to be your You're my

1220
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: best interviewers, so I figured we start with you, and

1221
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: and I really do love you. And I'm sorry that

1222
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: our first encounter with me calling of me the annoying

1223
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: ball guy, and then you guy, really and then you

1224
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: really impressed me skiing um. You've you've done a couple

1225
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: of ride ofs about me, um which have really made

1226
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: a big difference in my career. And and I appreciate

1227
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: it that well, you know, as you know, whenever I

1228
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: say this doesn't work. But if you're a Todd Rundgren fan,

1229
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: and Todd Rungman belongs on the Rock and Roll Hall

1230
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: of Fame for both for those people who don't know

1231
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: he did, he produced the engineered the band Stage Fright.

1232
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: He produced Uh Grand Funk rail Roads were an American band,

1233
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: which is the best thing they ever did. They did

1234
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: a lot of crap shit, And he produced a lot

1235
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: of other great records. And he also made records and

1236
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: I understand what we do. He didn't want to repeat

1237
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: his successful records, but his breakthrough record, which was his

1238
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: third album, and it's great, although I think the second

1239
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: album is better than UH Run The Ballot of Todd

1240
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: rung in the first three sides are like McCartney's first

1241
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: solo album, where he plays all the instruments. Fourth side

1242
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: is a band side, and he goes at the beginning

1243
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: of the fourth side, he goes, we're changing the name

1244
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: of the album to send money. Just send money. And

1245
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: I always say that, you know, because I get a

1246
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of perks, I could always use more money. So

1247
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: that's okay, And it's hard to believe people tell me

1248
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: I make a big difference. You know, I'm out of

1249
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: the loop, but I'm glad that I could help you.

1250
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: You've you've been a good friend and um, and we've

1251
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 1: been friends for twenty one years. I think that's right.

1252
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: And the last thing, as I just want to remind you,

1253
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember what year it was, but it was

1254
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: my favorite moment and ever with you. As we were

1255
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: on a plane, I think we're flying back from Aspen

1256
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: and and it was They're star in the Southern sky.

1257
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm the whole plane fucking saying, well, you know, it's funny.

1258
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: I've read somebody doing that. It was fucking magic, wasn't it. Yeah,

1259
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: But okay, getting it. I saw I saw John at

1260
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: this classic West at Dodger Stadium over the summer, okay,

1261
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: and it was fired up. It was the reconstituted Eagles.

1262
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: So the first people was the Deobey Brothers. I happened

1263
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: to be a huge Deobey Brothers family because of that

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Speaker 1: month in Mammoth the guy played the Captain and me

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Speaker 1: and uh to lou Street and as a result, and

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Speaker 1: I hear from those guys and I love them. And

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Speaker 1: then the middle band was Journey, which they went off

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Speaker 1: on a tangier too busy. Neil shown he was too

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Speaker 1: busy being a rock god. And then the Eagles come

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Speaker 1: out crushed and they come out to Seven Bridges Road.

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Speaker 1: It's like one of those moments where you're like, this

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Speaker 1: is exactly did you think about the plane road? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is exactly where it should be right now. What

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Speaker 1: could be better than being here right now with perfect harmonies?

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Speaker 1: What people don't understand when you what does he Crosby

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Speaker 1: stills in Nash of the Old Days. It was just

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Speaker 1: like the Woodstock movies. The harmonies were bad. So the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Eagles can do it perfectly for those mean.

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Speaker 1: Don Henley is a genius, but he is a difficult guy.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you're hating some guy with an amazing

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Speaker 1: amount of talent. If you can go see the Eagles

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Speaker 1: and you get a chance. I know Glenn Fries dead,

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Speaker 1: but they are literally better than they ever were. I

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Speaker 1: I agree. And the funny thing about that plane, right

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Speaker 1: is I think you and I started singing it, and

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Speaker 1: then the whole fucking plane started singing it, and that

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Speaker 1: was like that was part of one of the Aspen rituals.

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Speaker 1: So right, but but just continuing before about that before

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Speaker 1: we close it. It's like these songs that are in

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Speaker 1: our DNA. But the other thing about it is, um,

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Speaker 1: that's a difference between yesterday and today. Yes, people, but

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Speaker 1: we all, we all knew these songs. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: off at a tangent because I want to tell a story.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm hanging with Al Cooper at the Guitar Center

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Speaker 1: where they have a Guitar Center Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 1: they put your finger, your handprints in whatever. And I

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Speaker 1: know Al pretty well and we're talking for those who

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Speaker 1: don't know. Al Cooper had a label called Sounds of

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Speaker 1: the South and he produced the first I forget it

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Speaker 1: was three, but certainly the first two. Leonard Skinner albums.

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Speaker 1: First Skinnered album has Freebird. It came out at the

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Speaker 1: end of set of seventy three and uh. A week later,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie van Zandt calls him. They were living in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: All's in Atlanta. So we got a new song. We

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Speaker 1: want to come up and cut it. It was sweet

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Speaker 1: Home Alabama. Okay. So they come up and cut Sweet

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Speaker 1: Home Alabama and it doesn't come out for a year.

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Speaker 1: And I'd say, al did you know? And he said

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Speaker 1: it was sweet Home Alabama. I literally remember the first

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Speaker 1: time I heard it. I was driving west to go

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Speaker 1: from my ski bum life and I was avoiding the

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Speaker 1: traffic going on the circle in St. Louis and it

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Speaker 1: came on the stage. You go, what the funk is this? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And that's the power of a great record. And all

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Speaker 1: of this is based on hearing those great records like

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Speaker 1: Seven Bridges Road. And even though people that's a great

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Speaker 1: thing about today. There's so much music in today that

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Speaker 1: being a hipster not only even counts. Some of these

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Speaker 1: records are great, are known as great because they truly

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Speaker 1: were that great, and it's great to share those records

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Speaker 1: with you. Until next time. John, Hey, this is Bob

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Speaker 1: left Sex. I want to thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Much like the Left Sets Letter, I want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. You can email me at Bob at left

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Speaker 1: sets dot com and let me know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Reason don't know me sadly, why must be its out

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