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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. Everybody pipe down.

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Speaker 1: We've got to get started. There's Chuck, I'm Josh, Cherry, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go stop laughing. Boy, that that's never

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Speaker 1: gonna get old, is it? Not? To me? Probably to

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Speaker 1: other people, but not me. We're going to start getting

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Speaker 1: emails where people are like, I like short stuff, but

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Speaker 1: I always feel so anxious. Right, yeah, well join the club. Pal. So.

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Speaker 1: I wrote this article on smoke signals many many years ago.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a good one, you think, sure, al right,

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Speaker 1: it's a I mean, it's a fairly short topic. Like

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Speaker 1: even when you go research elsewhere outside of your brilliant article,

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Speaker 1: there's not that much more to it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: like pretty straightforward stuff. But I think the thing the

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Speaker 1: first thing to kind of cover with smoke signals is

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Speaker 1: that they actually were real. It's not something that like

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Speaker 1: Hollywood invented from like Cowboy and Indian movies or something

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Speaker 1: like yeah, which that seems like it could have been

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Speaker 1: years ago as an article, was just like, how brilliant

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Speaker 1: this is? It really is. It is also, Chuck. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that struck me when researching, it's just how

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Speaker 1: stressful it would be because if you screw it up,

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Speaker 1: it's not like there's a signal for wait, let me

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Speaker 1: start over. Well, maybe there was. I hope there was

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Speaker 1: for for people like me, for neurotic Native Americans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess so. All right, so we're talking about smoke signals, which, um,

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Speaker 1: like you said, they were real, and they are still real.

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Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, they're still smoke and they're

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Speaker 1: still wet blankets, right exactly. But Native Americans and not

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Speaker 1: just Native Americans, as we learn we'll learn here in

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Speaker 1: a second, but Chinese soldiers along the Great Wall of China.

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Speaker 1: You know, they couldn't communicate long distances. But if you

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Speaker 1: have a big fire with white smoke, you can see

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Speaker 1: that for you know, a thousand miles maybe let's just

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Speaker 1: say a million miles Chuck, Yeah, a million miles. And

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Speaker 1: and they were so smart they figured out, hey, this

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Speaker 1: is a great way to send a kind of rudimentary

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Speaker 1: really important point too, is you're not sending like, hey,

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Speaker 1: doing right now? I'll wait for your reply Alexander the

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Speaker 1: Apache yeah exactly, or the Chinese soldier what are the two? Yeah? Um,

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Speaker 1: this is just strictly like like everything's okay, um, or

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Speaker 1: I am here, or please please God send help. Something

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Speaker 1: really horrible is going down, like really broad stroke communications

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Speaker 1: and what they are arranged. Because kind of the beauty

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Speaker 1: of smoke signals is it's just puffs of smoke, so

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Speaker 1: as long as you I'll talk about it beforehand. Get

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Speaker 1: everyone on the same page. Although they didn't have pages,

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Speaker 1: Turn back. Then get on the same puff. Get everyone

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Speaker 1: As long as you had everyone together, you could send

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Speaker 1: more complex messages. It's not just like hey, someone's invading.

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Speaker 1: It could be like, hey, we're really uh sick over

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Speaker 1: And because everyone could see it, you had to kind

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Speaker 1: top exactly. It's like, did you now it's the fire?

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Speaker 1: So this is still relevant today. The Boy Scouts of

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Speaker 1: We're all safe. Um. You just stay where you are

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Speaker 1: Smoke Signals. Hope you enjoyed it. Until next time, So

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