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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nory

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Speaker 1: with you. David Tye is the CEO of Paul Revere Films,

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Speaker 1: executive producer and financier of the major motion picture Soul Surfer.

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Speaker 1: His passion for film led to further success as an

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Speaker 1: early investor when co financing the script Personi's feature film

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Speaker 1: Where the Game Stands Tall. In the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: he has completed the production of an award winning feature

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Speaker 1: documentary about the vulnerability of our power grid, something that

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Speaker 1: we have talked about for some time, entitled Grid Down,

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Speaker 1: Power Up. The documentary will serve as a springboard to

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Speaker 1: initiate an organize social action movement to secure our nation's

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Speaker 1: power grid. Previous to this film's endeavors, David set records

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Speaker 1: during his thirty year investment career, founding and managing a

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Speaker 1: couple of mutual funds which grew to one point six

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Speaker 1: billion dollars in assets. David, welcome to the program. Glad

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Speaker 1: to be with you in your listeners, George, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for your efforts I get the grid protected. We've

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Speaker 1: been covering this story for years, but not a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have jumped forward to try to get this done. Well,

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Speaker 1: that means a lot to me coming from you, Thanks George.

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Speaker 1: How did you get interested in the power grid? So?

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Speaker 1: I've been interested in the power grid for some two decades.

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Speaker 1: So I've been a geopolitical student and a bit of

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Speaker 1: a Cold warrior going back a couple of decades. And

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Speaker 1: part of that background was influenced by some geopolitical analysts

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Speaker 1: such as Jeffrey Niquist and Jeffrey Niquist and then also

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Speaker 1: a few other individuals and I got together probably a

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Speaker 1: decade and a half ago, and I had the benefit

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Speaker 1: of having the highest ranking spy whoever defected from the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union in my living room, Stanslov Lunif, who actually

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Speaker 1: worked with China from the Russian end, talking about bringing

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Speaker 1: down the United States. And so it profoundly influved me.

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Speaker 1: And so I realize, really how bad a guys were

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Speaker 1: inside the CCP and inside the pollit boro Luna was

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Speaker 1: the one who was talking about suitcase nukes hidden away

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Speaker 1: in the United States, wasn't he? That's exactly that individual

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Speaker 1: he sure was. Wow. Now let's talk about the power

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Speaker 1: grid in the connectivity. We just saw what happened in

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Speaker 1: Moore County in North Carolina where some people shot at

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Speaker 1: substations and they're still without power. Initially it was forty

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Speaker 1: thousand people. They're down to thirty three thousand, but they

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Speaker 1: don't know when they're going to get They say maybe

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Speaker 1: by Thursday if our power grid goes down. People like

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Speaker 1: Bill Forston, who have written the book called One Second After,

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Speaker 1: they claimed that it could take years for the power

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Speaker 1: grid to get back up because we don't have enough

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Speaker 1: equipment to fix it. Well, Bill Forston is an amazing patriot,

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Speaker 1: and he certainly turned the lights on for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people's recognition of electromagnetic pulse. And he's a great patriot.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm very, very worried about that. And this

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Speaker 1: film points out the major difference between the minor inconvenience

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Speaker 1: of and it may not seem like it's minor if

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Speaker 1: it's out for four or five days or a week

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Speaker 1: and a half, because people can still die. In Texas,

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Speaker 1: we had what we call snow mcgeddon it's also known

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Speaker 1: as Yuri, ended up killing about two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: six people. Estimates that maybe as many as seven hundred died.

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about the grid going down nationwide for

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Speaker 1: an extended, you know, multi month period, and there you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, something like we've never even seen,

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Speaker 1: and it truly gets into almost zombie apocalypse where if

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Speaker 1: the grid's down for nine months. The EMP Commission, which

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Speaker 1: operated for seventeen years at the behest of Congress, who

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Speaker 1: included some of the smartest scientists in the world, found

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Speaker 1: that as many as ninety percent of Americans would die

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Speaker 1: in that kind of scenario. So when you think about

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Speaker 1: getting transformers back, and these transformers are made in Germany

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Speaker 1: and South Korea and China primarily, and therefore it's going

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Speaker 1: to be very very difficult to if people are just

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Speaker 1: trying to survive and just trying to get water. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like the system goes on as normal as

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Speaker 1: far as being able to have people coming into the

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Speaker 1: utility company and you know, get these transformers in. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's very very difficult to determine how that would even

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Speaker 1: take place. Oh absolutely, it would be a calamity beyond

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Speaker 1: anything we can imagine. You've talked about in the documentary

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Speaker 1: Grid Down Power Up four imminent threats to the grid.

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Speaker 1: What are they in your opinion, David Okay, So one

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Speaker 1: is physical attack, second one is cyber attack, the third

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Speaker 1: is an electro magnetic pulse attack, which is what Bill

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Speaker 1: Forston talked about. And then the fourth one is really

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Speaker 1: what doctor Peter Pry characterized as a natural EMP or

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Speaker 1: a geomagnetic disturbance also known as a chronal mass ejection,

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Speaker 1: which happened during the Carrington event back in the eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: back in eighteen fifty nine. Yes, the Carrington event is

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Speaker 1: known as being the biggest solar storm that we've ever experienced.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have great measuring techniques back then, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: there is a belief that this was the biggest one

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Speaker 1: will have a massive solar storm that will end up

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Speaker 1: hitting planet Earth roughly every one hundred to one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty years. Do you see adversaries adversaries out there

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Speaker 1: that would try to take down our grid exactly? So

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Speaker 1: the other attacks physical attack as well as cyber attack,

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Speaker 1: as well as EMP. Okay, let's talk about the various adversaries.

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Speaker 1: There are the state actors, and we really have four

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Speaker 1: major state actors that pretty much hate gets that end

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Speaker 1: up having, you know, frankly bad guys in charge. In

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Speaker 1: my opinion, I don't think too many people we'll argue

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Speaker 1: with that, and that is Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with you. We just talked about

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Speaker 1: the attack on a couple of substations in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: in Moore County. People apparently shot at the substations and

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Speaker 1: took them down. That's dangerous too, exactly. So that's that

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Speaker 1: physical attack. Now, Doctor Peter Pry, who we've dedicated our

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Speaker 1: film to, you know, felt like the major threat is

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Speaker 1: really a combination of several of these attacks at the

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Speaker 1: same time, and he calls it blackout wars, where the

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Speaker 1: adversaries might come after our substations with physical attacks, they

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Speaker 1: could utilize cyber attack and then an electromagnetic pulse all

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Speaker 1: at the same time. But the kind of money we

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Speaker 1: spend as a nation protecting the grid is nothing for

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Speaker 1: the amount of money that wouldn't be required. Why haven't

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Speaker 1: they done anything yet? Well, I'll tell you, George, it's

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Speaker 1: a combination of ineptitude, disorganization, various interests that would just

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Speaker 1: as soon leave the status quo the way it is,

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Speaker 1: fear of reimbursement. On the money side, I think there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of fear about the fragility of the

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Speaker 1: good and putting in new technology that might disrupt, and

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Speaker 1: also just a belief that nothing bad is going to

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Speaker 1: happen and it won't happen on my watch. And if

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Speaker 1: it happens on my watch, then you know, the world's

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Speaker 1: going to blow up anyway. And I'd rather, you know,

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Speaker 1: think good things and don't worry, be happy kind of

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Speaker 1: Have any other countries, David taken measures to protect their

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Speaker 1: own power grid, Yes, a number of them have. We

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Speaker 1: know that Iran, you know, has protected their grid. We

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Speaker 1: know that Israel has spent a lot of time and money,

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Speaker 1: you know, protecting their grid. We know that China and

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Speaker 1: Russia have frankly lesser technology, which makes them you know,

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Speaker 1: much more much less vulnerable than those US that utilize

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Speaker 1: higher technology. I was just listening to an interview with

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Speaker 1: doctor Vincent Peter Pry who served inside the CIA and

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Speaker 1: he was the executive director. Just passed away to miss

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Speaker 1: that guy exactly, and I'm sure he's been on your program.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was an amazing patriot, and he's written

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Speaker 1: seven or eight books that you know, represent really the

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Speaker 1: buy of you know, preparedness for protecting the grid. And

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Speaker 1: so he talks about Moore's law. Where Moore's law is

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Speaker 1: known in the microelectronics world, where you know, the greater

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Speaker 1: increase in technology, you know, increases the productivity of output

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Speaker 1: by you know, another ten to one hundredfold. But he

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Speaker 1: points out that the inverse of Moore's law is the

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Speaker 1: greater the increase in technology, it also increases the more vulnerability.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine the sensitivity of these chips, and therefore

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Speaker 1: they're getting better and better, but then they're more and

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Speaker 1: more vulnerable because they're more sensitive. Listen to more Coast

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