WEBVTT - 4. The Detective 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.119 From my Heart Radio. This is missing on nine eleven, 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.920 the story of one woman who vanished on the eve 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.319 of history and my quest to find her. I'm your host, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:45.360 John Wallzac. Well, you know, before I get into this 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.240 particular case, UM, tell me about your nine eleven experience. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.160 What what happened? Where were you? Um? I was working 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.000 in the Tools Squad, Temple Squad, Tool Precinct, Upper West Side. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.960 I was on my way. I was on the jaw. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.160 I'm going to interview somebody. UM. I was going over 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.080 the fifty Night Street Bridge and I sort of smoke 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.760 coming from the you know, downtown, and then I actually 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.200 going over the bridge, you can see more and more. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.200 I could see the twin towers. You see smoke coming out, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.480 and the first thing in my mind was like a 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.319 Cessna or something like. But it was a perfectly clear day. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.319 So I'm like, how the Assessna hit twin towers? This 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.000 is retired NYPD Detective Richard Stark. And then as I'm 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.760 looking at it, the second plane hit and I sort 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.880 of I didn't see the plane hit, but I sort 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.640 of blowout on the other side of the building. It's like, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.640 this is this is the termtives with a rookie detective 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.479 and the bombing of the coal just happened. So um, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.280 I said to him, I go speaking fin Laden, he's 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.080 behind this night and like everybody, yeah, short bridge, but 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.120 now that's the extra guy was with. That's exactly what 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.200 I said about nine. I arride the canal Street and 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:56.360 Broadway and uh that why being there waiting to be 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.200 assigned a past because they don't know what the was 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.560 going on. It was like chaotic at that time. So 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.640 at the time we're waiting waiting for assignment the buildings, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.920 when the buildings came down, and then we just see 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.480 people are running up roadway, like thousands of people and 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.160 they're all covered with dust. And I was grabbing him. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.560 I had a call, so I was grabbing him that 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.160 want two at a time to take him to St. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.600 Vincent's Emergency when was the closest hospital. And I went 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.080 back on the fourth I don't know how many times, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.680 six maybe five or six times, and then just rendering 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.400 first day to people that really didn't have to go 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.639 to hospital. He said, you know, scorting water in their face, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.720 getting dust out. Um. And then later on in the 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.079 in the day, we were signed post in the perimeter 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.520 of nine eleven in uniform, and then I finished that 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.880 about one in the morning on on September twelve, I 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.000 went home, which I lived, you know, close by from 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.160 the zero. Um. I got about three hours sleep, Uh, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:54.040 just into street clothes to the shallows you know, construction 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.560 booths and stuff. I went down to Detective and Dowmint Association, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.160 which is the you know, the assailiar time. So we 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.799 reported there and there's all volunteer work. At this point, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.840 anybody can say it was volunteer. It was an assignment. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:09.120 So the issue was helmets, mask, Did they have a mask? 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.320 We had the painter's mask to take the mask, gloves, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.040 and then we all went down to the ground zero 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.240 had to be about six in the morning, and we 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.480 were we you know, coordinated with other you know, steel 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.080 workers and firemen and other cops that were the police officers, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.440 and we were on top of literally on top of 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.880 the pile the fell and you had to kind of 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.720 circling your way out there. And then we had like 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.720 a we had um with the word for you know, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.640 like a line of people um just handing like pieces 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.760 of you know, we're trying to like about a brigade. Yeah, 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.080 I can't buck a brigade, but you could see somebody 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.280 under the rubble or alive or not. And then we 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.840 were just like handling beams and pieces of steel and 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:52.320 there's one from a guy to the other. We're just 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.600 getting out of the way to clear that area. And 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.360 then if you came up with our body, then we 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.760 would have a gurney and put the body on top 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.960 of them and then we would passed the body because 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.400 those guys on each side, then the body will be 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.760 get passed out or body part um. That was there 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.560 for about UM six thirty to about five in the afternoon. UM. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.520 At this point I was a wolf and work because 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.800 I was what's so busy to when I was supposed 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.440 to be a work at four o'clock and the other precinct, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.720 So I, you know, got in touch with them and 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.880 told him what I was doing, and and then I 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.000 had to go from there and go home change and 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.640 they go to work. Two days at the night eleven, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.120 I was transferred from the two old precinct to the 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.080 first Precinct, Lower Manhattan. UH. They needed help down next 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:40.039 they was shorthanded a little busy UM and I handled 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.960 cases in the first precinct and what we're here for 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.920 now is one of the cases was the missing personne House. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:51.640 Philip Stark has never spoken publicly about this case until now. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.640 We interviewed him in person during COVID, which is why 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.080 at points he sounds muffled through his mask. For of 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:05.120 your investigative effort, you checked hospitals, morgues, homeless shelters. Um, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.760 I n s credit card records. Is that all correct? Um? 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:16.320 I assume that's relatively standard. Um. Did you recognize this 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.760 as a high profile case early on? Or did did 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.000 you give it any extra effort or attention? No, I 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.040 could say attention I give any case. Um. But but 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.000 I realized it was like a high profile until I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.600 started seeing um, you know, violence putn't flies all over 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.120 the place. Now that was Manhattan. I found. I was 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.280 seeing him like in my neighborhood. I was like, you know, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.480 I'm seeing pictures. So far he made up his own flies. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.080 On September four, two thousand one, at eleven pm, Ron 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.599 filed a written complaint with the NYPD, triggering an official 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.640 investigation into Snake House disappearance. Initially it went to the 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.800 Missing Persons Squad, then it was flagged as a Category 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.240 G case and went to Detective Stark. Can you tell 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.160 me a little bit more about category G. What does 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.200 that include? Category GEZ just they just call a category G. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.120 But it's the mission person doesn't fall on the missing 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.360 person protocol. If you don't come home tonight and you 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.040 go for know your wife, please say he's missing, to 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.839 go where it's not really missing, because just because he 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.920 could be out, he could have went on just if 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.919 you guys are not getting along. He went on a 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.320 week long trip. But he has to fall under the 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.520 category over a certain age which is seventy two, under 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.560 a certain age which is sixteen on the sixteen, and 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.600 he have to some kind of mental something going on 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.400 physically or mentally that makes you that you can't take 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.000 care of yourself. Then you become a missing person. But 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.200 if you're healthy and you know you're of age, especially 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.880 an active doctor, and you just you know, disappeared, um, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.799 it's not consider a missing person over a favorite of time. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.800 Category G is a technical designation. It means that a 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:57.320 person is quote absent under circumstances indicating unaccountable or involuntary disappearance. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.320 It requires an immediate investigation. There's two things you want 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:02.479 to police up on the kind of go with you 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.520 missing and a coupy. You know what the copy is, 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.080 that's an unsolved homicide with they can't determine if it 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.720 was a homicide or not, but they can't say it's 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.080 not a homicide. So it gets the worst. I mean, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.400 it's just pretty much unsolvable most of the time. Not 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.960 well category G. It's sometimes it comes out. Most of 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.960 time it comes out in the bed because the person 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.280 turns out to see someone and so it gets it 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.200 gets kicked back to you guys, you get the case. Um, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.560 after scanning the initial information, what were your first thoughts 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.240 that did it just stick out? Is this is a 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.800 bizarre case or was it more of a everything is 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.040 chaos right now and this is just everything is chaos 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:42.120 and there's uh, there's a lot of thousands of people 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:47.440 doing miss impression reports because they can't just like ron Um, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.400 you know, he couldn't grasp that she was in the 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.560 building and she's dead. He couldn't grasp he believes she 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.840 was alive and something else happened. He just you know, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.680 with a denial pretty much. So tell me just about 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.200 your togative steps that you would do in general, but 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.400 specifically with this case. Um, the steps that you took 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.200 and kind of walked me through that process. Well, Cole 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.720 Rono Ron came into the precinct and we sat down 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.600 for an hour or so and tald Um just learn 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.880 more about him and about Snayha and he you know, 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.360 he told me, you know, like I said, I don't 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:22.880 want to say too much stuff that he she was 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:29.720 having issues substance abuse, mental illness, marital trouble, legal trouble. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.199 She was in court that monday. I don't know you 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.080 know about that right m on the on the tent. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.760 So Um we were just talking about that and he 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.719 believed that she was kidnapped or something else happened. And 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.040 I'm like, okay, I was like we'll look into it, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.040 of course, but I mean just logically, you know, you 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.880 live next to the Trade Center and you're telling me that, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.480 you know, she said to her mother the night before 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.360 she was going shopping in the in the in the mall, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.920 um the concourse mall, and in the trade enter. This 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.720 is extremely importon because although snay Hall lived near the 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.280 World Trade Center, according to ron quote, we never go there. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.520 She had no business there. So in order to believe 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.240 that snay had died at the Trade Center, her family 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.079 had to understand why she was there in the first place. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:21.199 They put forth at least four conflicting explanations. One snay 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.959 Hall was shopping at the mall underneath the World Trade Center. Two, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.280 snay Hall was visiting Windows on the World, the famous 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.000 restaurant on top of the North Tower, in advance of 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.800 a friend's upcoming wedding reception there. Three the night before, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.840 say attended a party at a hotel next to the 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.720 Trade Center, hosted by the city's quote South Asian community, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.920 and presumably stayed the night even though she lived only 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:52.240 nine feet away. And four snay Hall was walking home 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.000 on eleven from somewhere else, passing by the towers just 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.440 as the attacks began. Obviously, snay Hawk could not have 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.160 been shopping at the mall, visiting Windows on the World, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.320 leaving a hotel next to the towers, and walking home 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.480 from somewhere else all at the same time. But once 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.280 her family settled on the hero narrative that she ran 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.600 into the towers to help victims and died, they needed 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.400 a why to understand why she was there. In the 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.679 early days before the hero narrative. Snay House family genuinely 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.240 thought she was alive, and none of them, especially Ron, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.040 wanted Detective Stark to prematurely declare snay Ha at nine 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.680 eleven victim. Detective Stark understood that impulse, the desire to 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.080 investigate everything, but to him, nine eleven always made the 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.600 most sense. So I'm just, you know, being a detect 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.480 kind of like leans that way. So I'm just leaning. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.480 He goes see he understood that a little bit, but 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.040 he had a doubt in his mind this makeup. Can 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.439 I have a doubt my mind. I don't think she's 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.280 out of I don't think she died. I think something 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.600 else happened. So that's why we went through the hole. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.400 UM and I just got information phone, you know, anybody 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:03.080 she got contact with. I wish he works. UM. I 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.520 responded to the apartment, looked at video footage. I identified her. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.720 I don't not face identify. I don't know if um. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.440 Did Ron tell you about this? So so yeah, so 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.160 they're attree am on nine eleven. There's an image of 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.840 someone that's the blurry image exiting her apartment building. Well, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.200 it's not blurry that you had the slide and back 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:27.960 of her. But Ron did state that he recognized the dress, like, well, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.120 that could be one of addresses, Like he was never 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.160 sure about anything. In the Court Rutgers, he said that 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.000 he did not think that that was her. Yeah, no, yeah, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.040 well they was leaking towards not thinking. But again he 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.040 was he was really really in denial of this. So 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.760 you got to take that into consideration. Fair enough, but 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.360 I don't buy it. Ron was in a much better 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.360 position to determine whether or not thirty seconds of low 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:57.240 quality footage actually showed his wife. Were you able visually 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.720 to make an identification of that woman as or how much? 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.880 How certain were you? How much doubt did you not? 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.520 Not not a facial you no, no, not a positive idea? 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.680 What made you ninety percent sure? Just how mannerisms? Seeing 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.160 how watching her video for like hours and hours and 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.359 Century one, the way she walks, the way, her mannerisms 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.360 and she had the exact same mannerisms, say the night 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.720 before you know, Century This doesn't make any sense. The 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.800 Century twenty one footage includes only a few frames of 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.880 snay Ha, making it next to impossible to compare it 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.240 to thirty seconds of a different low quality video and 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:39.080 declare with certainty that the woman who exited to Rector 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.520 Place at eight three am on nine eleven was actually 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.960 snay ha. If it was snay Haa the woman on 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.199 video at three, why wouldn't she have her shopping bags 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.280 because she had stayed somewhere else the night of the tent. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.320 Then she was coming out of apartment, she was going shot. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:00.640 So so you so you think that that person in 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.040 the video was already in the building, It wasn't because 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.960 I've read that speculation that it was something that walked 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.000 in and then turned around and walked out. So you 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.439 did that video show somebody entering the building and exiting 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.680 or just exiting the building, exiting, attended a lobby for 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:22.360 a few maybe exiting with that that would indicate that 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.800 she was in the building. Though and Ron said later 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.840 on that Um and the family said that they were 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.440 not able to find any sign that she had been 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.080 in the apartment. That's a big question, walk. That was 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.960 always a big question. Walk. It's also a big deal. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.960 Detective Stark just said that he thinks Nah was inside 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.040 her apartment on the morning of nine eleven, then exited 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.920 the building at three, only three minutes before American Airlines 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.400 flight eleven hit the North Tower fet away. If true, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.480 if that means that either sna did come home late 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.000 nine or early nine eleven and Ron lied when he 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.160 said she did not come home, or she snuck into 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.640 her apartment after Ron left for work and left no trace, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.840 or Detective Stark is wrong. The woman at forty three 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.000 is not snay Ha. Snay Hall was not in the apartment. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.760 One thing that would help answer this question is being 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.520 able to see the digital photos Ron took when he 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.480 returned to the apartment on September twelve, two one, Because 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.080 according to Ron, snay Ha left behind her passport, I 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:32.000 D wallet, glasses and other critical belongings. What do the 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:36.120 photos show? Do they show the passport, I D wallet 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.280 and glasses? Do they show any signs snay how it 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:44.600 was in the apartment after I don't know. There's also 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.640 a crucial witness who could help clear this up. His 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.760 name is Jimmy Nelson. He's the doorman who worked the 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.520 night shift that Ron and snay Haus building from eleven 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.440 pm on nine ten until seven am on nine eleven. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.880 If anyone saw snay return or ro On leave, it 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.440 would have been Jimmy. Unfortunately, he did not respond to 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:09.840 interview requests. Finally, the apartments security footage is also vital 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:15.480 to Rector has at least three entrances, front, back, and side. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.360 I'm not sure if they were all covered by cameras 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.120 in two thousand one. The front definitely was the rest. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.640 I don't know. Do the tapes show Snajab returning home 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:31.840 one or early nine eleven? Do they verify Ron's story? 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.160 I don't know. I don't have access to the footage. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.240 I contacted the company that owns two Rector the related 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.400 companies to see if they saved nine ten and or 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:47.840 nine eleven security footage. They never responded. The NYPD probably 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.600 has the tapes, but it denied me access to most 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:55.200 case files. Finally, there was at least one big flaw 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.960 with the NYPDS investigation. According to court records. To tell 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.040 to Stark did not watch all of the security footage. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.640 He testified that he did see Snay leave the building 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.480 around five pm on nine ten, and the mystery woman 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.000 who he thinks is Snay, exit at eight forty three 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.400 am on nine eleven, but he did not watch all 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.760 of the footage between five pm on nine ten and 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.960 eight forty three am on nine eleven, fifteen and a 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.080 half hours of footage. I don't think anyone has ever. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.120 Let's return for a minute to the mystery call placed 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.840 at four oh five am on nine eleven from Ron 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.600 and snay house apartment landline to Ron's cell phone. Ron 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.879 said he was alone in the apartment at the time 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.320 and that half asleep, he probably used the landline to 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.760 dial his cell to see if snay Hall left him 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.880 a voicemail, but he has no memory of making the call, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.480 so more or less he thinks he's sleep dialed his 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.199 cell from his landline. To me, it's just odd. I 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.000 get that nine eleven was traumatic, but this is such 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.760 a critical detail. Did he did he give you an 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:33.640 explanation about what that he couldn't. Do you have any 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.600 idea did you find any reasonable explanation of because he 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.120 said he didn't remember that a good feeling. I saw 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.639 her leave the next morning and she was going to 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.040 said to her mother who I was the night before? 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.400 She was going shopping the ground that it just all 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.520 went together. Do you think coinences Do you think she 0:17:54.640 --> 0:18:01.240 was in the apartment? Done? Yes? See it? Then? Do 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.760 you ross story was that he was? He was He 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.719 got home around eleven fifteen, and that he left I 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.960 think six thirty in the morning on nine eleven, um, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.000 and that he never Yeah, so do you think she 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.560 entered there's there's there's some discrepancy. She either entered after 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.600 he left or she was there and he's not telling 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.960 the truth. Do you have any indication of it could be? Yeah. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.760 I mean he changed the story about three or four 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.040 times with me to the whole investigation, so it's possible 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:36.919 he's lying. Or when you say changed the story three 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.600 or four times, any specific details or what do you 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.359 mean by that? Um, just saying that she was taught 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.920 she wasn't plot of Night eleven, that she was kidnapped, 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.000 and then later on what was real? Later on he 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.399 said she was plating Night eleven, But um story or 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.760 what what she did? Like she was adopted in community 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.200 and you know the situation happened. Now, the situation he's 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.560 referring to is the incident in which Snay had claimed 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.840 a fellow doctor sexually assaulted her in a bar, then 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:11.320 allegedly recanted and harassed the doctor and his wife, UM 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:16.080 and affilly with the brother, the brother's girlfriend. And you know, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.080 he just he said it didn't happen, and the brother 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.600 said it, you know, said it, didn't you know what 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.399 she thought? He was inconsistent with some things. The quote 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.480 story with the brother and the brother's girlfriend. Okay, well, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.479 Detective Stark did not want to go into detail with 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.720 me out of respect for snay House family. But years 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.440 ago in court, Start said that snay has younger brother, 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.680 John told him that shortly before nine eleven, John walked 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:50.200 in on and his girlfriend having sex. John later denied 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.399 telling this to Start. In fact, he denied speaking to 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:59.479 Start at all. So figuring out her, say has final 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:05.600 movements and communications on um, how did you go about 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.160 doing that? Just interviewing people? Can you talk about did 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.760 you actually visit CenTra one and view the footage or 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.320 was it sent to you? No, I was. I went 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.760 to I can't remember how we I think it was. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.560 I think it was credit card uh usage. That's how 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.040 we found figured out she was there once we did UM. No, 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:25.400 he was finding that I was there for like four 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.520 or five hours video because it's I wish I had 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.440 the video I have now in this building. But it's 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.200 the old time. You know, it wasn't um motion sense. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.160 You know, you had to look at the whole thing. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.240 So ron Ron said that he spent several weeks going 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.640 and looking at that video too, and then he found her. 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.200 Um did you view it after he did? Or beef? 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:50.119 Did you who found her first? On the UM? And 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.240 I assume he probably was looking for other signs of 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.160 her and probably if you was, what was what somebody else? 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.680 You know who? Anybody could be anybody, but she wasn't 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.159 you know, she was by the whole time on what 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.560 I viewed. So that that's that's a very interesting point 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.280 because the last person to see her live was a 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:11.680 shoe salesperson, Sonya Mora the next floor. I never looked 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.360 at that footage. I just sent and what And so 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:21.080 the last person to see her a live said that, well, frankly, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.040 their discrepancies with this um I've seen and read in 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.399 different records that um that Snayhu was with someone, that 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:33.399 she wasn't with someone that the sales clerk thought she 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.040 might be with someone, you know, versus a story that 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.840 the sales clerk was definitively sure and that had she 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.640 had talked to them and they said they were going, 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.199 you know, somewhere else afterwards, it seems kind of murky 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.920 do you have did you ever determine whether or not 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.240 UM with any certainty? Snayho was with anyone? That? No, No, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.199 she wasn't you know that? I said, only view the 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.560 center one video. I don't know, why do you? I don't. 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.880 I can't remember why. I don't if it wasn't available, 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.520 it was, it was part of sent it wasn't. Yeah, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.840 it was just a different, different part. Yeah, but you 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.880 didn't viewing the video, you didn't see any photographic evidence, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.080 videographic evidence that's the hose with anybody else, because that 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.239 would have been key, that would have been a key 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.760 part of it to find out who that person was. UM, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.159 do you have any reason to doubt the story of 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.240 the person the last person to see her, who insinuated 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:31.280 or said that she was with somebody else? Maybe she 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.639 just met somebody, was talking to somebody and you know 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:37.040 that that I didn't see anybody what the um like, 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.359 you know, next to her or talking to her. Um, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.760 But no, I don't know. Maybe he just missed him 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.400 to maybe he thought the person was with her. Uh so, 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.199 UM was it a male female? She said it was 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:55.959 a female. So you obtained UM call records? Did you 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.120 explain tell me tell me about that. Can you get 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.240 these records? These are calling people? Did you contact Rizon? 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.479 How do you investigate that at the time? Yeah, if 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.000 you have subpoena and um, you know sub minute to 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.640 the horizon. I believe it was a rising at the time, 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.600 and then you just get the records of the you know, 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.960