Speaker 1: Cue the bagpipes. Today's episode contains spoilers for How to
Speaker 1: Train Your Dragon, the live action remake, but of course,
Speaker 1: also the first installment of the original animated movie. Jason
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Speaker 3: There's in today's episode, we are giving you our review
Speaker 3: of the live action movie How to Train Your Dragon?
Speaker 3: Ever heard of it? It's a part of it. It's
Speaker 3: a live action remake of an animated classic, which is
Speaker 3: going to inspire a round table conversation asking is it
Speaker 3: a live action remake or an adaptation? Oh baby, I'm
Speaker 3: sure that's gonna get spicy, and we will also be
Speaker 3: talking about the future of live action remakes. But bust,
Speaker 3: let's talk about it. Jason, me and you. What do
Speaker 3: we think about this movie?
Speaker 2: Let's do it?
Speaker 1: Okay, we have recently seen.
Speaker 2: The live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1: A wonderful truly. You called it a classic. I believe
Speaker 1: it is. And it's also it contains or has what
Speaker 1: I think is a very underrated soundtrack. Now, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: some people are gonna say, well, the soundtrack was nominated
Speaker 1: for an Oscar.
Speaker 2: It was, but it didn't win.
Speaker 1: Still, I feel like it's not one that people talk
Speaker 1: about in the same way they talk about, you know, like.
Speaker 2: The Star Wars or Inception, et cetera.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a wonderful soundtrack by John Powell, and
Speaker 1: let's talk about what did you think of how to
Speaker 1: How to Train Your Dragons?
Speaker 3: Yes, I thought it was really, really enjoyable. I actually
Speaker 3: decided to wait till after I watched it to rewatch
Speaker 3: the animated one so I could kind of go in and.
Speaker 2: Enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Obviously. We sat together with my friend Isaiah and my
Speaker 3: eleven year old review guy that I bring with me,
Speaker 3: who saw Minecraft. Yeah, I thought it was really great.
Speaker 3: I was actually kind of blown away by how good
Speaker 3: the casting was, how wonderful, unbelievable casting. Everybody is just
Speaker 3: one hundred percent committed. I was very moved by the score,
Speaker 3: especially the kind of like flight test flying with a
Speaker 3: toothless score that they use as a theme throughout every
Speaker 3: single time. That would just be like crying every single
Speaker 3: It's it's so passed thrilling. Yeah, and we, I mean
Speaker 3: we both talked about this after straight after when we
Speaker 3: were at the cinema, But I was blown away by,
Speaker 3: for the most part, how unbelievable this movie look, not
Speaker 3: only the aerial stuff, the landscape, how they make the
Speaker 3: dragons feel so real in a live action space, how
Speaker 3: they light the characters to kind of make them look
Speaker 3: more cartoony but still very much in this kind of
Speaker 3: I really felt like they did a great job with that,
Speaker 3: especially with Hiccup. They constantly light his face to look
Speaker 3: anime character.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 3: I love the casting of his I love the casting
Speaker 3: of Astrid Nico Parker. Big fan of her here. I
Speaker 3: think this is the first role she's really gotten to
Speaker 3: like showcase her kind of not only obviously there's a
Speaker 3: lot of like kind of stunt prowess in this, but
Speaker 3: just generally like her charm, her kind of. This is
Speaker 3: the first great movie that I've seen her in. She
Speaker 3: was most recently seen in another like to me, in
Speaker 3: another movie that I'm sure we'll talk about, Dumbo, far
Speaker 3: less successful live action adaptation. In my opinion, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just thought it was really really good. There were actually
Speaker 3: multiple moments here to do with how good the movie looked,
Speaker 3: the feeling of it that were giving like the original
Speaker 3: kind of loath to throw back to them nowadays, but
Speaker 3: they made me feel like when I was a kid
Speaker 3: first watching the Harry Potter movies. There was moments here
Speaker 3: where I felt like this could be an epic franchise
Speaker 3: for kids. Cinematography beautiful, Jared Butler amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm a G buts lover.
Speaker 3: I love the g he love We love the G butts.
Speaker 3: He rarely gets to be in any big movies like this.
Speaker 3: He is definitely more of a B movie guy, an
Speaker 3: action guy, a straight terme video guy. But I thought
Speaker 3: he was so fun here. I thought the costume design
Speaker 3: was fantastic, and really I was just I just thought
Speaker 3: it was. It was really really great. How about you.
Speaker 2: I I loved it.
Speaker 1: I found it comforting and thrilling all at the same time.
Speaker 2: Great way I thought the I thought it was a
Speaker 2: wonderful you know.
Speaker 1: They They were so loyal really to the original story,
Speaker 1: same director obviously, Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3: When I would be.
Speaker 1: And but everything that they added in the everything that
Speaker 1: live action added was an upgrade, which I thought was
Speaker 1: that's how you do it. When you talked about the
Speaker 1: aerial stuff, I mean it can't be talked about enough
Speaker 1: about how I mean it's powerful. I could watch a
Speaker 1: two hour super cut of just the flying scenes. It
Speaker 1: looks amazing. It captures the thrill and the energy and
Speaker 1: the dynamism, the excitement of what it must be like
Speaker 1: to be, you know, riding Toothless around this incredible.
Speaker 3: You really do feel like you are having that experience.
Speaker 3: We got to see it in IMAX, and it really
Speaker 3: does feel like the rush. This is a movie where
Speaker 3: maybe I would go and see it in forty X.
Speaker 3: I want to think about in my hair. I want
Speaker 3: to feel like I'm riding the spray, Yeah the cinema,
Speaker 3: what the ocean spray?
Speaker 1: And I you know they didn't they understood, don't change
Speaker 1: what is broken, like this character design for not just
Speaker 1: the human characters in the live action adaptation, like the hair,
Speaker 1: you know Hiccup's hair is they styled it somehow the
Speaker 1: same from how to the animated.
Speaker 3: That is really true. I was quite blown away by
Speaker 3: that when I watched, I was white impressed.
Speaker 2: And then also, you know, Toothless.
Speaker 1: I don't know what of the character assets they took
Speaker 1: from the animated version, or how they scaled that up
Speaker 1: and improved it and you know, improved the textures, but
Speaker 1: it it doesn't look as if they ripped Toothless from How.
Speaker 2: To Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1: It looks like they took everything that was there and
Speaker 1: just added more detail, but didn't lose that feel, that
Speaker 1: animated feel, so that there were times where I had
Speaker 1: to remind myself that I wasn't watching Toothless from yeah
Speaker 1: animated version like it was.
Speaker 3: It was a seamless sless and that is a critique
Speaker 3: some people have sometimes, right, but like I and at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the film, which opens the exact same
Speaker 3: way as the original film, they show Buck and they
Speaker 3: do change the the voice O very little bit, but
Speaker 3: they show but and he's showing his home, and in
Speaker 3: my head I had like the cynical voice was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're completely cgi home, Like it's clear. But then once
Speaker 3: you start getting into the village and you can see
Speaker 3: the practical nature of it, I was. I just thought
Speaker 3: it looked so good and also as well, I was.
Speaker 3: I was kind of blown away. And I do think
Speaker 3: that it is focused on something I really liked about
Speaker 3: the live action movie versus the animated movie is they
Speaker 3: gave some of the scenes like time to breathe in
Speaker 3: the live action one that they don't get in the original.
Speaker 3: When I rewatched the original, I basically felt like I
Speaker 3: was speed running the movie because things happened really really.
Speaker 1: Fast, and I guess the emotional turns even are really
Speaker 1: really fa exactly.
Speaker 3: And something that kind of came across in my opinion,
Speaker 3: like really strongly in this version is how it's like
Speaker 3: kind of a movie about like adaptive technology and like
Speaker 3: disability and like accept invisibility, and that begins with Toothless
Speaker 3: and kind of the film ends with you know, Hiccup,
Speaker 3: and and honestly, like you know, my biggest critique would
Speaker 3: be like, couldn't you have found someone with an amp
Speaker 3: who was an like Cata limb difference, or wasn't amputee
Speaker 3: to play like Goober's like the Nick the Nick Frost character,
Speaker 3: or couldn't you have found someone to play Hiccup? But
Speaker 3: you know what, Hollywood, they never doing that stuff. So
Speaker 3: but I did think that the themes were like very
Speaker 3: very well and you'll get to that.
Speaker 1: I will get to that in a moment, because I
Speaker 1: mentioned I do have a I love the film. I
Speaker 1: continue to love the film, I love the animated series,
Speaker 1: but I do have a dark take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to do it.
Speaker 1: That said, I mentioned that I found this movie comforting,
Speaker 1: and it's I love a good kids movie because the
Speaker 1: emotions are front and center, but there's also that feeling
Speaker 1: of like, hey, you know, when toothless biler, when toothless
Speaker 1: is is chained up and harnessed and being forced to
Speaker 1: lead them to.
Speaker 2: The dragon mast.
Speaker 1: As a kid, that's gonna be intense. You're gonna really
Speaker 1: a young audience member is going to really feel that.
Speaker 1: At the same time, because it's a kid's movie, there's
Speaker 1: also that like gentle kind of undertone of hey, it's
Speaker 1: gonna work out. It's gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And I found that really in
Speaker 1: these times, it's a nice, really comforting. It's a nice
Speaker 1: feeling of just being like, you know what, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it, it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: And also the eleven year old reviewer who also loved
Speaker 3: the Minecraft and did did say after see a Minecraft
Speaker 3: that was gonna make a lot more money than the
Speaker 3: box I said, and he was correct. He was also
Speaker 3: a big a big fan in this movie. I think
Speaker 3: it was very moving, it was very exciting. There were
Speaker 3: even moments when he was kind of scared and it
Speaker 3: was spooky, which I thought they did really well. I
Speaker 3: also thought they redesigned the kind of I think in
Speaker 3: the original Uh, How to Train Your Dragon the Red Death,
Speaker 3: they redesigned him to make them like basically a terrifying Kaiju,
Speaker 3: which I loved obviously. And I do feel like we're
Speaker 3: going to be in an interesting situation this year of
Speaker 3: being able to talk about having like a monster movie summer.
Speaker 3: If this does well. I do think it's gonna do well.
Speaker 3: I that saying that the film is gonna perform overperform
Speaker 3: with sixty five million to seventy five million this for
Speaker 3: its opening weekend. I think it's gonna make one hundred million.
Speaker 2: I think it might be the high end of that.
Speaker 2: I think. I think this is the kind of I
Speaker 2: think kids.
Speaker 3: Are gonna want to see over.
Speaker 1: I love Minecraft, Yes, a love Minecraft. Kids are gonna
Speaker 1: want to see it. The older kids who grew up
Speaker 1: with the originals are gonna want to see it in
Speaker 1: live action, and for an adult, it's a pleasant time
Speaker 1: at the movie theater. So I think it's got all
Speaker 1: I think it's got all of those things. Here's my
Speaker 1: dark tick on this movie and the message of this movie,
Speaker 1: and that includes the original animated version.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is not a new edition. This is definitely
Speaker 3: something that is a story. But it really struck me
Speaker 3: this time watching it in live action.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I love this movie, passionately love this movie. Said, this
Speaker 1: is a movie. This is a movie about regime change.
Speaker 1: This is a movie about a nation who went to
Speaker 1: war mistakenly with a culture and a race of beings
Speaker 1: that then tricks or cajoles a small minority of that race,
Speaker 1: including several members who had been long imprisoned and enslaved
Speaker 1: and potentially brainwashed, into assassinating their nation's leader so that
Speaker 1: afterwards they can be put to work by the conquering people.
Speaker 3: That is basically what this story is.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: Movie, but there is a kind of a dark undertone
Speaker 1: of like colonialism and.
Speaker 2: Occupation and war and conquering.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like, hey, listen, all we know about
Speaker 1: this queen is she's bad. How do we know that
Speaker 1: we don't like because she ate a couple of her
Speaker 1: subjects and therefore it's totally okay that we take these
Speaker 1: prisoners who we have been torturing for a long time
Speaker 1: by doing various mock executions in a tournament format for
Speaker 1: the entertainment of our town, if we then turn them
Speaker 1: loose in order to kill her so that we can
Speaker 1: take over this nation and use them as you know,
Speaker 1: are construction workers.
Speaker 3: I mean that is that basically the same thing? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean also as well, like let's be real that
Speaker 3: we don't actually see the giant Kaiju dragon like do
Speaker 3: anything wrong, Like she's.
Speaker 1: Just she eats, like she eats one or two of
Speaker 1: her subjects, which I am not condoning. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: as an outside force, we don't understand the societal dynamic funny.
Speaker 3: As well, because like in the live action when they
Speaker 3: were like, you know, she's probably like controlling the don't
Speaker 3: listen to them or something, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if she is, man, I think this is just
Speaker 3: like an ecosystem. You can't understand, like she lives in
Speaker 3: a giant volcano.
Speaker 4: Giant it's a kids movie.
Speaker 1: Therefore, I accept that she was evil. I am just saying,
Speaker 1: not a lot of thought.
Speaker 2: Goes into that.
Speaker 3: Really, I think you're read is like correct and the
Speaker 3: truth is right now, it's hard not to look at
Speaker 3: things through that lens. And a lot of stories from
Speaker 3: you know, fairy tales and obviously I'll Train Your Dragons
Speaker 3: adapts from a book, but it's not that old. But
Speaker 3: a lot of these kind of kids films they do
Speaker 3: intentionally or unintentionally continue ideas of like assimilation or and
Speaker 3: so so. So I think you're right to call this out.
Speaker 3: And let's be real. The movie does I mean sorry,
Speaker 3: sorry sorry I said, I said just noticing. I mean
Speaker 3: I just say you should you you're correct to note it,
Speaker 3: to note that it exists. But you know, like they
Speaker 3: see this movie, go see it because it is really great.
Speaker 3: And then you you can go in the discord and
Speaker 3: then we'll go back to lay tank.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to another break, and then let's bring in.
Speaker 1: The super producer crew and let's talk about live Actually.
Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome to the floor, super producers.
Speaker 2: Joelle's superproducer Aaron. How are you folks.
Speaker 3: Tickled by e? How do you want to hear it?
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Any the movie there in the groove, you said, Jay said,
Speaker 3: it is actually about two communities coming together. Joel, talk
Speaker 3: more about it.
Speaker 1: I mean I believe that that is also a reading,
Speaker 1: that's also a not unfair reading.
Speaker 2: Yes, please, Joel No, I think the very.
Speaker 4: Basic like jeneric reading is like this kid thinks differently,
Speaker 4: and that's really beautiful and it really opens can.
Speaker 2: We don't have to kill them, we can use slaves.
Speaker 1: Jason's like maybe death is bad and being I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that, and they do have and and he and
Speaker 1: to listen and again tooth listen, Hiccup have a they
Speaker 1: do have a very loving relation and loving relationship where
Speaker 1: they love the relationship they.
Speaker 4: Have the Hiccup wounded him.
Speaker 1: And then I'm just saying the rest of the dragons,
Speaker 1: for the crew, it's a little we get into like
Speaker 1: a murky ethical.
Speaker 3: Area considering that they were.
Speaker 1: Released very quickly through that actually directly from dungeons and
Speaker 1: like put to put to war fighting.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but continue, Joelle No.
Speaker 4: You know I actually have the the esteemed privilege of
Speaker 4: having spoken to Aaron separately and then you guys separately
Speaker 4: and knowing your takes and they are oceans apart.
Speaker 3: Real and tell us what this movie.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait for this.
Speaker 6: Shots that I am so different from you on this, Jason.
Speaker 6: I think before you threw the break, you were like,
Speaker 6: go see this movie. I would are you don't just
Speaker 6: watch the original. You're not missing any track.
Speaker 4: Please continue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so one of your I took some notes as
Speaker 6: you were talking about. One of the things you said
Speaker 6: was everything the live action movie added was an upgrade.
Speaker 6: You mean, like the two extra minutes of training sequence
Speaker 6: just sling. Yeah, but doesn't look amazing. Yeah, so I
Speaker 6: do think that yossified How to Train Your Dragon looks better.
Speaker 6: The dragons, the dragons, The dragons amazing. The dragons look amazing. Hiccup, Hiccup,
Speaker 6: what's it? Hiccup looks like Andrew Garfield.
Speaker 3: Too hot? Too hot? You've got your crush on this
Speaker 3: young man, he lied. I was actually I had had
Speaker 3: rumor that you had this feeling. I was actually feeling
Speaker 3: for this kid, because Hiccup in the original is like
Speaker 3: very generic, like he's got a completely even face. He's
Speaker 3: just like a right like this guy, this Hiccup. They
Speaker 3: spend like fifteen minutes early on in the movie lighting
Speaker 3: him to be like make sure you know he's got
Speaker 3: a big nose, like look at that nose, Like they
Speaker 3: were like trying to make him look uglier. He was
Speaker 3: no like yasified. I think you just have a crush
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 1: Also, I would just to lightly push back and then
Speaker 1: I'll let you continue. His dad stood like the vast
Speaker 1: stoke Jerry Butts. This guy's chest is twenty feet wide.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's eight and a half feet tall
Speaker 1: in his armor. He's a massive guy, and you're meant
Speaker 1: to buy contrast, say, God, I wonder if Hiccup can
Speaker 1: live up to the intense masculinity that Jerry Butch is
Speaker 1: putting down on a daily base. Look at that beard,
Speaker 1: Look at those muscles, Look at that helmet.
Speaker 6: You know anyway, Yes, for as for as hot as
Speaker 6: Hiccup was, Gerard Butler looks like ship. His wig was
Speaker 6: so bad. When when he comes out of the water
Speaker 6: and his wig is all wet, he's so bad.
Speaker 3: My main care.
Speaker 6: And hey, and I love I love Dead of Thieves
Speaker 6: as much as the next guy.
Speaker 2: So like I'm a Butler fan. I will say.
Speaker 6: The one thing that this one I do think added
Speaker 6: from the original was the Gerard Butler monologue to rally
Speaker 6: the troops and get everyone, this is why we have
Speaker 6: to go look for the nest and and they do
Speaker 6: this great thing where he goes to the first Viking
Speaker 6: and you know, you got all this glory because you
Speaker 6: killed the dragon. You may have lost your limb, but
Speaker 6: like you did all this great work, and now you
Speaker 6: the Asian Viking. Okay, you can't go far away. You
Speaker 6: don't get to have a line. You just came from
Speaker 6: far away, all right, and moving like what a dumb scene.
Speaker 2: I hated that.
Speaker 6: I thought that like completely ground everything to a halt.
Speaker 6: I will say, Toothless look great. I think in the
Speaker 6: animated I felt like Toothless was very cat coated, but
Speaker 6: in this one, Toothless felt more like a dog.
Speaker 2: Well though I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like sixty five percent dog thirty
Speaker 1: five percent excuse me, sixty five percent cat thirty five
Speaker 1: percent dog. Like the scratching was dog, but like obviously
Speaker 1: everything else, the face, the growling was cat.
Speaker 6: Yes, but yeah, I I walked out of this and
Speaker 6: I was pretty disappointed. I feel like the original was
Speaker 6: better and this didn't add a new take on stuff,
Speaker 6: like you were saying, you know, there's beat for beat.
Speaker 6: You know, Toothless chained up on the boat guiding them
Speaker 6: to the dragons, like they didn't need to change how
Speaker 6: that happened, but there were things that could have been
Speaker 6: a different read on it or something. I thought the
Speaker 6: dad going in and saving toothless was less effective in
Speaker 6: this than it was in the animated Again, maybe at
Speaker 6: this point it's deep enough into the movie that I
Speaker 6: have just like kind of I'm on I'm on the
Speaker 6: back foot, and I'm not as happy with it already.
Speaker 6: But this just feels like a band like went recorded
Speaker 6: their favorite album and like words slightly Taylor.
Speaker 1: Taylor made like several billion dollars exactly that.
Speaker 4: Well, I do think, I mean, it's an interesting Joe,
Speaker 4: I'll tell us that thread. I do think it's a
Speaker 4: really interesting approach to filmmaking. Like I think some people
Speaker 4: sort of view animation as like a big part of it,
Speaker 4: just storyboarding. It's like really going through and getting these
Speaker 4: story beats and so to have like made this entire
Speaker 4: animated film and then you're not you're definitely not adapting it.
Speaker 4: You are remaking it just in live action. I found
Speaker 4: it kind of incredible, especially because it's the same director
Speaker 4: coming back to his work like so many years later.
Speaker 4: I thought, I will say, if I have like one
Speaker 4: tick e tacky thing about it. Sometimes I thought the
Speaker 4: frames were too much like an animated frame as opposed
Speaker 4: to what you would shoot for a live action, Just
Speaker 4: the way some of the times the characters entered there's
Speaker 4: a hiccups walking. He's in sillow wet at one point,
Speaker 4: and it's very flat when like if you pushed your
Speaker 4: horizon not in the center, as we learned from Spielberg,
Speaker 4: you would have had a much more interesting shot. So
Speaker 4: there was.
Speaker 3: Just learned from.
Speaker 4: He learned from forward. Yeah, yes, the religious John to
Speaker 4: Spielberg would also say, like.
Speaker 3: I will add my two cents of what I didn't like,
Speaker 3: just because we're here. There were only actually like two
Speaker 3: sequences that I felt like they must have done reshoots on,
Speaker 3: and it was when they were in because the whole movie,
Speaker 3: I was kind of blown away by how unvolume me
Speaker 3: it looked. And I think that is why it appealed
Speaker 3: to me so much. It looked so much better than
Speaker 3: like no ninety percent of like big budget like NU
Speaker 3: style movies. I felt like there was so much life
Speaker 3: and texture and real beautiful locations and this I felt
Speaker 3: like that generally the CGI and and like obvious screen
Speaker 3: screen was pretty, you know, unnoticeable, pretty seamless. There was
Speaker 3: the scene when Hiccup and Astrid are in the northern lights.
Speaker 3: I felt like that suddenly just took us to being
Speaker 3: in like a weird TV show that had like no budget.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened with the lighting. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was the flatness.
Speaker 2: It was completely.
Speaker 3: Random and it they just didn't light it was very supernatural,
Speaker 3: invite them properly to give them like the full kind
Speaker 3: of beautiful wholeness. And then there was like one other
Speaker 3: scene when it was only like both of these scenes
Speaker 3: are like five ten seconds of the movie, but like
Speaker 3: the other there was another one with Astrid where they'd
Speaker 3: clearly done a similar reshoot where it was just suddenly
Speaker 3: it was like but it was really wild because up
Speaker 3: until then I was like, this is gonna be one
Speaker 3: of the best looking, like big budget movies. And I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say something as well, this is a I guess
Speaker 3: we're gonna get into this next. But kind of like
Speaker 3: the conversation of like is it a remake? Is it
Speaker 3: an adaptation? Like I've seen a lot of people be like,
Speaker 3: this is a great movie, but it didn't need to
Speaker 3: be made, and I'm like, guys, I got a terrible
Speaker 3: things to tell you. Welcome to the history of Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Do you know how many versions of a fucking Star
Speaker 3: Is born? There? There are like fucking four versions of
Speaker 3: a Star Is Born?
Speaker 4: Like you don't dream Works is trying to become the
Speaker 4: new Disney.
Speaker 3: Not just that, this is throughout history, throughout Hollywood history.
Speaker 3: This is what happens is they go back and they
Speaker 3: remake movies and they redo the same story and they
Speaker 3: you know, there's fifty versions of snow White because that
Speaker 3: is an out of license story. There are, you know,
Speaker 3: so many different fairy tale stories. There are so many
Speaker 3: Westerns that are basically beat for beat the same thing.
Speaker 3: So I think that when a movie is made, which
Speaker 3: in Aaron's opinion like this movie is not good, then
Speaker 3: you do ask those questions. For me, I thought this
Speaker 3: movie was beautiful enough. It's been like eleven years, and
Speaker 3: you know what I feel like this is gonna introduce.
Speaker 3: For example, Isaiah had not seen the original, but he
Speaker 3: loved this. He'd watch the TV shows and he felt
Speaker 3: like this just like supplanted that and he was so
Speaker 3: excited to go back and check.
Speaker 6: Out the original he's only seen the TV shows and
Speaker 6: not the original movie.
Speaker 3: He's gonna go see it. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: that what I'm saying is that is gonna be There's
Speaker 3: gonna be a whole generation of kids like that who
Speaker 3: were gonna get to experience this for the first time,
Speaker 3: like so many of us did with remakes of other stuff.
Speaker 4: And I think plus, a whole new theme park just
Speaker 4: opened up.
Speaker 3: And that's the real The thing that I find interesting
Speaker 3: is I want to talk to whoever it was who
Speaker 3: understood the kind of insane fandom that this had that
Speaker 3: they could build an entire park off it and do
Speaker 3: another remake, because look, on, I know that this is
Speaker 3: a popular movie, but I didn't know this was like
Speaker 3: a you can build a multi billion dollar theme park
Speaker 3: and do a new movie. But now that I've seen
Speaker 3: the new movie and I've seen images of the theme park,
Speaker 3: which apparently is the best, if not one of the
Speaker 3: best lad Good, I get it, Like I want to
Speaker 3: spend more time in this world. So I just I
Speaker 3: I do think that the notion of like remakes are
Speaker 3: unneeded becomes a question of quality, because that is just
Speaker 3: the history of like Hollywood and entertainment in general. It
Speaker 3: say it's always going to be a sequel, there's always
Speaker 3: going to be a remake. But I think that compared
Speaker 3: to like ninety percent, if not more, of the Disney ones,
Speaker 3: this to me felt like, oh yeah, I mean when
Speaker 3: I rewatched How to Train Your Dragon, it's amazing and
Speaker 3: it is obviously like the original. The animated vision is gorgeous,
Speaker 3: but I was like, but I also do I would
Speaker 3: like to be in the cinema watching this and feeling
Speaker 3: like I'm flying through the ad with toothless, which you can't.
Speaker 3: You don't feel like that in the anime ad version.
Speaker 1: I will say, I think that the I think the
Speaker 1: for me, what this remake, adaption whatever do well is
Speaker 1: it doesn't try as I think some of the Disney ones,
Speaker 1: many of the Disney ones try to do, which is
Speaker 1: create this entirely new, hyper real aesthetic.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is very cost to any movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that turns into this kind of surreal, uncanny valley
Speaker 1: feeling thing that has an entire visual language that I one,
Speaker 1: I find it really hard to emotionally connect to, and
Speaker 1: two it feels as real as it is, it almost
Speaker 1: feels like more fakes sometimes and I think that they,
Speaker 1: in my in my view, smartly took what worked and.
Speaker 2: Kind of transitioned it.
Speaker 1: To the live action space in terms of character design,
Speaker 1: in terms of detailing, in terms of you know, how
Speaker 1: the characters look, in terms of shots, in terms of lighting.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I think I think, Rosie, you're exactly right that the
Speaker 1: need to be made argument is basically just say you
Speaker 1: don't like it and let's move on, like, because none
Speaker 1: of this shit needs.
Speaker 4: To be made.
Speaker 3: It's the nature of like all of Hollywood is like,
Speaker 3: guess what, guys, I'm gonna tell you something. Roger and Eba,
Speaker 3: you know what, they were saying they didn't need to
Speaker 3: make seven Friday the Thirteenth movies. They didn't even need
Speaker 3: to make one, but guess yeah. So I think it's
Speaker 3: a constant conversation. But I think that because Aaron is
Speaker 3: here and I believe he is the only one out
Speaker 3: of the three of us who's seen it. Aaron, let's
Speaker 3: get your take on another controversial live action remake recently,
Speaker 3: because we did recently have the Lelo and Stitch live
Speaker 3: action remake, which did it inspired a lot of different conversations.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of discourse about it. There was
Speaker 3: a lot of feelings in the Native Hawaiian community about it,
Speaker 3: and there was also millions and millions of dollars made
Speaker 3: at the box office because for certain families it was
Speaker 3: the perfect movie. So, Aaron, what were your feelings on
Speaker 3: Leelo and Stitches live action film?
Speaker 6: So I will again acknowledge up top you already mentioned it,
Speaker 6: but there were a lot of things that people were
Speaker 6: upset about with this live action remake. Adaptation whatever you
Speaker 6: want to do, and there were some particular changes both
Speaker 6: the story as well as character characters that were just
Speaker 6: completely cut out for your film, yep, and so some
Speaker 6: people were unhappy with that. I thought that this felt
Speaker 6: like as opposed to How to Treat Your Dragon, which,
Speaker 6: to be fair, I did enjoy. I just enjoyed the
Speaker 6: animated more and I felt like Leelo and Stitch the
Speaker 6: live action added something and gave us a nice little
Speaker 6: deeper view into certain parts of the movie that we
Speaker 6: didn't get in the animated And again animated is older.
Speaker 6: There are a lot different things that are happening in
Speaker 6: Disney at that time and what they can do. But
Speaker 6: for instance, I liked the character changes they did, so
Speaker 6: they split mister Bubbles from being this like secret agent
Speaker 6: also social worker into a social worker and a secret agent,
Speaker 6: so there are two separate characters, and that just made
Speaker 6: more sense to me. And I liked that the social
Speaker 6: worker was Hawaiian. It was in fact Tia who was
Speaker 6: Nanny in the original, and she comes back in the
Speaker 6: live action to play the social worker, which I loved.
Speaker 6: And in the live action I didn't miss gone to
Speaker 6: that much, like it was cool the kids missed God.
Speaker 3: I had a kid tell me yesterday at a graduation party.
Speaker 3: She was like, yeah, I really liked it, but where
Speaker 3: I was gone to? And then also, I will say,
Speaker 3: the kids are upset about the lack of cross dressing.
Speaker 3: I've had multiple people say that they actually little kids
Speaker 3: be like why wasn't that character allowed to dress like
Speaker 3: a go now?
Speaker 6: And I didn't they fight over who gets to wear
Speaker 6: the wig when they're falling asleep, and like, yeah, there's yeah,
Speaker 6: I get that. I just liked I didn't need Jumba
Speaker 6: to have a to get fixed and like change their tune,
Speaker 6: because we already have that with Leelo and Stitch. We
Speaker 6: don't need everyone in the movie to be redeemed like
Speaker 6: I'm totally fine with just the main characters getting redeemed.
Speaker 6: And I loved the you know, the the writer is
Speaker 6: Hawaiian as well, and the screenwriter and he meant he
Speaker 6: made a point to say, like I wanted to make
Speaker 6: a change that if this happened in real life, it
Speaker 6: the Hawaii I come from, would not have these two
Speaker 6: girls left on their own. The community would come together.
Speaker 6: And so I loved that their auntie comes in, their neighbor,
Speaker 6: becomes part of their family in the same way that like,
Speaker 6: you know, family is not just blood relatives. We all
Speaker 6: have close friends who are found family. We all have
Speaker 6: family friends who were not directly related to who become
Speaker 6: essential parts of your family. That's who their auntie, Amy Hill.
Speaker 6: She becomes their family and she takes Leelo. So it's
Speaker 6: not just it's not you know, you know, Nannie gives
Speaker 6: Leelo up to the state and never sees her again.
Speaker 6: She lives like in the same house with her auntie
Speaker 6: who lives next door. That's the most like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: heartwarming way that that could have gone. Sure get rid of,
Speaker 6: like why does she have to go to college in
Speaker 6: the States as opposed to on Hawaii that's.
Speaker 3: A famously great marine biology is in Hawaii.
Speaker 6: I just have to say, but I'm not gonna let
Speaker 6: one sentence ruin the movie for me, Like there was
Speaker 6: a lot in that I really enjoyed, and I thought
Speaker 6: Nanni was fleshed out a lot more and I got
Speaker 6: a much bigger sense of like her hopes and dreams
Speaker 6: were important, and when they lost their parents, she was
Speaker 6: impacted in a way that wasn't just now I have
Speaker 6: to take care of my sister. It was I had
Speaker 6: always wanted to do this and I don't get to
Speaker 6: now because my parents passed away, and so and there's
Speaker 6: this great scene I thought it was great where they're
Speaker 6: talking about her.
Speaker 2: Are you going to go scene for scene and tell
Speaker 2: us about this love this movie so much.
Speaker 3: I also just want to say, guys, I.
Speaker 1: Know the credits when I loved about the font with
Speaker 1: the credits as the.
Speaker 3: Rule, I do want to say. I do want to say, guys,
Speaker 3: as there was Yes, that is where a lot of
Speaker 3: the conversation was about, and I do understand as well.
Speaker 3: I want to say that I do think it is
Speaker 3: absolutely fair for people to watch a movie made by
Speaker 3: a multi billion dollar American company like Disney and to
Speaker 3: read the change in the ending as essentially like at
Speaker 3: best not thoughtful and at worst as propaganda, which is
Speaker 3: when there is such a conversation about like a Native
Speaker 3: children being taken away from their parents. And also, but
Speaker 3: I do think that something and this is another interesting
Speaker 3: conversation I think to have about live action adaptations, especially
Speaker 3: when it's something like Lelo and Stitch, which the original
Speaker 3: movie was not a huge smash hit and became one
Speaker 3: over VHS. Lelo and Stitch the original movie hat because
Speaker 3: of the lack of kind of oversight it, it did
Speaker 3: get to make statements that to a lot of people
Speaker 3: I think ended up feeling radical, even if that wasn't
Speaker 3: the intention. Even though a lot of the movie was
Speaker 3: made by white.
Speaker 6: People, and I have seen and starred white people. Let's
Speaker 6: let's be open about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also I will say there was also issues
Speaker 3: in this movie that Nanni is not played by a
Speaker 3: Native Hawaiian actress. And so I think like it's a
Speaker 3: very interesting conversation in this case because I think Lelo
Speaker 3: and Stitch acted as one of those movies where it
Speaker 3: was an unexpected finding representation where you can and people
Speaker 3: hold it very dear and there are generations of people
Speaker 3: who grew up with it on VHS, and I also
Speaker 3: think that is going to be a very hard thing
Speaker 3: to translate, whereas something like How to Train Your Dragon
Speaker 3: is pretty much a beat for beat remake, and you're
Speaker 3: just like, hey, this is a really gorgeous upgraded version
Speaker 3: that isn't some shitty upscaled Ai four K remaster. This
Speaker 3: is like a re envisioning. Yeah, it's like and I
Speaker 3: think that's the difference. And I think that's why the
Speaker 3: conversations kind of talk.
Speaker 1: About that, because what is it what works and what
Speaker 1: doesn't work for us in a live action remake?
Speaker 2: Aaron like, what is.
Speaker 1: What are the things that for you make a live
Speaker 1: action remake essential or additive?
Speaker 2: And what are the things that don't work for you?
Speaker 2: And when is it?
Speaker 6: So I think I think about it like when you
Speaker 6: see a band perform live, you've listened to the album
Speaker 6: and you hear the song that they've done recorded. When
Speaker 6: you when they do it live, you want a different
Speaker 6: sort of energy, whether that be they are changing up
Speaker 6: bits of the song they're they're doing, you know, different
Speaker 6: interpretations of sections of the songs. I like things that
Speaker 6: are you already know the original. Let me give you
Speaker 6: another take on this. Yeah, And so that's why I
Speaker 6: think in a live action remake, adaptation, and I want
Speaker 6: something that gives me. I don't want to have it
Speaker 6: be seen for see from what I've already watched. And
Speaker 6: so I think that's for me. I want, like, I
Speaker 6: want some changes, and I think that that is how
Speaker 6: I view seeing a continuation of the story Joelle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like anything that's happening in a franchise. Now,
Speaker 4: you don't need to justify why the film needs be made,
Speaker 4: but you do need to make a good film. So
Speaker 4: I'm open to films that have changes in are reinterpreting characters,
Speaker 4: especially if it's been a long time. But you know,
Speaker 4: we can look to snow White and see what happens
Speaker 4: when you do that poorly, when you're not updating for
Speaker 4: the time period, when you're not interacting.
Speaker 6: Oh, you.
Speaker 4: Understand it completely. You just read the assignment and a
Speaker 4: train X. And so I just think for me, like
Speaker 4: I'll say, up until I have dun your Dragon, and
Speaker 4: I haven't seen le Loan Stitch yet, I have not
Speaker 4: liked the remakes. The only one I thought was worth
Speaker 4: the Damaged Jungle Book, which again is more yeah wonder
Speaker 4: One remake. But if they're going to continue to exist,
Speaker 4: which it seems like, I mean, Leon's just making this
Speaker 4: most money and what we imagine is going to happen
Speaker 4: with How to Train Your Dragon, then at least like
Speaker 4: to me, like the casting of How To Train Your
Speaker 4: Dragon is so freaking phenomenal, Like everybody really understood the
Speaker 4: assignment of their character and you feel very connected to them.
Speaker 4: And that's really what I'm looking for, especially on the
Speaker 4: Disney Train, like we come for the characters. I want
Speaker 4: to see them in the parks. I want their outfits,
Speaker 4: I want them on T shirts. Give me an interesting
Speaker 4: perspective on these characters.
Speaker 3: I was very happy to see Julian Dennison. I don't
Speaker 3: think he gets enough work legendary making the movie. I
Speaker 3: thought he was really fun. That character is barely good
Speaker 3: anything in the originally the I will also say I
Speaker 3: thought that they did a good job of like making
Speaker 3: those characters still still feel as like weird and kind
Speaker 3: of cartoony as they are. Okay, I want to talk
Speaker 3: about this too, because when we were prepping this episode
Speaker 3: in this stock, let's talk about that because because Aaron
Speaker 3: wants changes, Joelle's open to either what do you guys
Speaker 3: think about, Like, how do you define something like Maleficent,
Speaker 3: which follows the same plot points as Sleeping Beauty but
Speaker 3: from a completely different perspective, essentially creating a different movie
Speaker 3: and recasting a character in a different phrase, to something
Speaker 3: like How to Train Your Dragon, which is a direct
Speaker 3: kind of remake, like almost like a shot for shot
Speaker 3: like Psycho Gus Van Samins Psycho remake, but like some
Speaker 3: doesn't like.
Speaker 1: Something like Maleficent is not a live action remake. It
Speaker 1: is a completely different story a la Wicked.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I like the Wicked comparison.
Speaker 1: That even though there is kind of a let's say,
Speaker 1: like loose similarity between the story arcs, the fact that
Speaker 1: you're in another character's shoes is so upending to the
Speaker 1: original story, Like it is a completely different perspective, a
Speaker 1: different story, a different protagonist, and therefore I think it
Speaker 1: is I think something like that is not a.
Speaker 4: I'm classify that as a franchise expander, giving more death
Speaker 4: on your specific in the way that I don't want
Speaker 4: to reference.
Speaker 3: Those movies franchise expansion.
Speaker 4: I like that which I can appreciate. You know, I
Speaker 4: love a world in diving in and exploring, but I
Speaker 4: do kind of hope we continue to find ways to
Speaker 4: like engage and like for me, like Scar, the Moufasa
Speaker 4: like movie should have been the Scar movie. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Like we have?
Speaker 4: Mufasa has a perfect arc in the original Lion King.
Speaker 4: If you're going to and and stop doing it with
Speaker 4: animals until we can figure out what to do with
Speaker 4: the mouths, it just stop.
Speaker 3: Also, okay, I want to talk about let's talk about
Speaker 3: Lion k slash Mafasa because can those even count as
Speaker 3: live action if they're completely CG. I think that is
Speaker 3: still an animated movie. I have.
Speaker 4: I I agree with you. I do.
Speaker 6: It's tough because both of the two movies we talked
Speaker 6: about earlier, Lelo and Stitch and How to Train Your
Speaker 6: Dragon feature very prominent fully.
Speaker 3: CG.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 3: Exactly I'm gonna so. I'm gonna tell you this is
Speaker 3: my spiciest take that I think that and it's very
Speaker 3: like it's a it's not particularly spicy, but I do
Speaker 3: think it's I think all of these movies should be
Speaker 3: considered essentially like Roger Rabbit esque, like animated live action
Speaker 3: kind of combo movies, and I actually think that that
Speaker 3: would maybe interest people more if we spoke about them
Speaker 3: like that. But I also think that it's tough because
Speaker 3: people then would start to wonder about like every live
Speaker 3: action movie you see now that has like heavily CG characters,
Speaker 3: So that would basically like quantum Is that essentially the
Speaker 3: same thing? Yeah, basically. But I mean I think that
Speaker 3: there's something interesting about the way that live action and
Speaker 3: CG are used together in these movies, and I think
Speaker 3: that's something that should actually be like interestingly, you know,
Speaker 3: having a conversation about Ian, don't bring up Robert zemeachis
Speaker 3: in this conversation that that insane dead eyed man like
Speaker 3: the Polar Express. That's one of the scariest movies I've
Speaker 3: ever seen, man, But you know, I watch it every
Speaker 3: year at Christmas. I still love it. Bear Wolf, he
Speaker 3: was doing this before anyone else, honestly, so we can't
Speaker 3: we can't take that away from him. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you guys, this is my the first live
Speaker 3: action Disney animated movie that they made, the animated remake
Speaker 3: that they made, like this live action remake of an
Speaker 3: animated film, I should say was Pete's Dragon. Right now,
Speaker 3: I'm like a number one Pete Dragon Superstan. I love
Speaker 3: the original movie, which was an animated live action kind
Speaker 3: of hybrid. But the movie, I think this is actually
Speaker 3: where they went wrong because the Pete Dragon movie is
Speaker 3: essentially a completely different story. The original Pete's Dragon is
Speaker 3: very whimsical. It's very much in that kind of Mary
Speaker 3: Poppins space. It's also super like Stoner coded Puff the
Speaker 3: Magic Dragon, like weird.
Speaker 4: We say seventies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like, you know, very seventies, like
Speaker 3: whoa spiraling out? But it has kind of similar vibes,
Speaker 3: which is like kid Left by Himself Dragon. That movie
Speaker 3: is directed by David Lowry. It has Bryce, Alice Howard,
Speaker 3: It has Wes Bentley, It has Carl Urban as Una
Speaker 3: Lawrence has Robert Redford. The movie is so gorgeous and
Speaker 3: basically is about found family and about the freedom of
Speaker 3: found family and about the dangers of the state getting
Speaker 3: involved with found family. And I thought it was fantastic,
Speaker 3: and it was made for sixty five million dollars and
Speaker 3: it made one hundred and forty three million dollars. But
Speaker 3: I think post that they were like, well, we want
Speaker 3: these movies to make a billion dollars. We want I
Speaker 3: think that David Lowry was allowed to make this movie
Speaker 3: because it was the first in a trial period. But
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is where we should be going. We
Speaker 3: should be doing weirder old Disney movies that people have
Speaker 3: not really seen. I'll tell you what I would make
Speaker 3: a remake of doesn't need any animation. There's a really
Speaker 3: weird Jody Foster movie where she is clearly she's like twelve,
Speaker 3: and she's clearly a lesbian feet who goes into an
Speaker 3: old man's house to steal all his goods. It's called Candlewick.
Speaker 3: Ten out of ten remake that shit. Like Disney has
Speaker 3: such a weird history of like animation and just strange
Speaker 3: movies in general, and I think leaning into the strains.
Speaker 4: We Cauldron, live Action Wears Please.
Speaker 3: That's what I am talking about, like movies that maybe
Speaker 3: didn't hit at the time but then were able to
Speaker 3: find their kind of wow Iam Page masterymake. I would
Speaker 3: watch it.
Speaker 4: I try. I'm not prepared.
Speaker 3: I love that movie. But yeah, like I think the
Speaker 3: conversation of what is animation, what is live action? It's
Speaker 3: so blurred nowadays that it becomes like a hard conversation
Speaker 3: to have because MCU movies are you know, fifty percent
Speaker 3: if not more in something like ant Man in Quantitmania volume,
Speaker 3: what does that really add to it? So it's an
Speaker 3: interesting space and an interesting conversation. But I also think
Speaker 3: that the almost like the semantics of it end up
Speaker 3: just kind of like you missed the fact of as
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 4: If I can bring a ridiculous hard rule to it,
Speaker 4: I think if we have, I think.
Speaker 3: I love a ridiculous hard rule avatar.
Speaker 4: I do, I really do, because it's in the details.
Speaker 3: It's important.
Speaker 4: I classify as a live action because they shoot all
Speaker 4: of it, like the act being there that.
Speaker 1: The reforms to move through it and they're like everybody
Speaker 1: in it's a lot of mo cap okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Jungle Book is a live action movie. The live action
Speaker 4: remake of Jungle Book has a kidney. All of that
Speaker 4: is staged and moved around it behind the scenes. A
Speaker 4: Lion King is an animated movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the lion is not a single real thing
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 4: That's that's my dividing line. If there's at least one
Speaker 4: real person and they had stage and set it up
Speaker 4: and shoot with real like, you know, actually shooting something
Speaker 4: and not creating with in the computer. Then live action.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, let's go to a break, and then we
Speaker 3: can come back and talk about our best and worst
Speaker 3: live action animated remakes or franchise expanders or whatever else
Speaker 3: do you want to pull, and we're back.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about our best live action remakes, our
Speaker 1: favorite live action remakes or expanders or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. Let's start, Joelle, let's start with you.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna go and start real controversial one hundred
Speaker 4: and one Dalmatians with Glenn Close.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great.
Speaker 4: I love that is such.
Speaker 3: Isn't it kind of funny that when we were kids
Speaker 3: we didn't even think about that wasn't a terminology for it.
Speaker 3: We were just like, yeah, of course you would remake.
Speaker 4: This, Yes, Glenn Close and fabulous outfits, being as wild
Speaker 4: and crazy as she wants to be. There's some crazy
Speaker 4: production design in there, and incind about the soundtracks that slaps.
Speaker 4: One hundred and one Dalmatians got me into jazz as
Speaker 4: a child, really lovely. And then I would say, do
Speaker 4: you want just do best and worst.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just do Best and West want to be I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be real. There's not a lot of good ones.
Speaker 3: It's like a hundred movies, and maybe they're not great.
Speaker 4: Okay, I am gonna say Mulan because it misses everything.
Speaker 4: It didn't get the historical like recreation right, it didn't
Speaker 4: get the things we loved about the original animation right.
Speaker 4: It's a hot mess. No one seemed to appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Nobody who's like no bisexuality.
Speaker 4: Like excited about it. I think Mulan is an interesting
Speaker 4: historical figure that should have many great movies.
Speaker 3: And I've had many great Chinese movies.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think Disney just really really dropped the
Speaker 4: ball on Mulan.
Speaker 2: Okay, Aaron, Best and West, I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is cheating.
Speaker 2: Can I say the Flintstones for best? Or is that
Speaker 2: not you can?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Flintstones.
Speaker 2: I think for the best, it's great. For the worst.
Speaker 6: I feel bad because I haven't actually seen the entire thing.
Speaker 6: But Aladdin, I just I'm.
Speaker 4: Badly unnecessary pop song that made me would have rip
Speaker 4: my eyes out. I said, what have you done to Ali? Insanity?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not not not, not great.
Speaker 4: I could go on. I could I forgot about whatever?
Speaker 3: I think I'm I love the kind of I love
Speaker 3: that these are spreading beyond because I do think Aaron,
Speaker 3: I think you make a great point with flint Stones.
Speaker 3: I think that's definitely one of the really really legendary
Speaker 3: ones and also comes from that era before there were
Speaker 3: enough movies that we were having to have conversations about
Speaker 3: whether these are live action adaptations or remaates or whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna pick Peach
Speaker 3: Dragon as my best because I do watch that movie
Speaker 3: a lot. I own it on Blu Ray. I think
Speaker 3: it's beautiful. It breaks my heart every time I watch
Speaker 3: it. It's got a great soundtrack. I will say, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 3: but my, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna skip
Speaker 3: Peach Dragon. I already shouted out, I'm gonna say, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna say right now. Recently Bias How
Speaker 3: to Train Your Dragon. It was really brilliant. I loved it.
Speaker 3: It made me. When I got home, I immediately rewatched
Speaker 3: the original because I wanted to recapture the feeling I
Speaker 3: had in the movie theater and it's a Nico Parker
Speaker 3: as Astrod. It's a Nico Parker vehicle, the one she deserves,
Speaker 3: and it will make me less bad about picking my
Speaker 3: worst live action adaptation. Kind of not really, I guess
Speaker 3: we would say this is a franchise expander. Dumbo director
Speaker 3: by Timber.
Speaker 1: It's so bad, Timothy.
Speaker 3: Take them away. He made that. He made frickin' both
Speaker 3: the Alison Wondler again, Yes, you don't want to hear
Speaker 3: it there. Dumbo should have been Dumbo should have been
Speaker 3: like really fantastic and weird, but it was not. It
Speaker 3: was just a bad movie. And you know what. That
Speaker 3: was another thing I was struck by with How to
Speaker 3: Train Your Dragon and Pete Dragon also has this issue,
Speaker 3: which is why I guess I kind of knocked it
Speaker 3: off in the end. These Disney adaptations, live action remakes whatever,
Speaker 3: they really meander like often you're watching them and you're like,
Speaker 3: where is that straight through like story that grabbed me
Speaker 3: in the original animation? We have to now make it
Speaker 3: two hours and fourty minutes long. Dumbo drugs are that
Speaker 3: How To Train Your Dragon does not. That is a breezy, frickin' movie,
Speaker 3: Like you just feel like you're on the adventure. So
Speaker 3: I think those will be my current twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: You know, it's notable picks. It's notable to me that
Speaker 1: like in terms of live action remakes, Disney has been
Speaker 1: at this a while. You mentioned one Dalmatians from ninety
Speaker 1: six with Gone Close and Jeff Daniels, and then it's
Speaker 1: really not until like twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: when you get this glut and nothing from the glut
Speaker 1: is good. Almost nothing from the glut is it's just
Speaker 1: too much. There is stuff throwing it thickle.
Speaker 3: Reconsideration of Cinderella, I will say I seen Young gen Z.
Speaker 3: It's made by Kenneth Browner. If you like a traditional
Speaker 3: kind of fairytale story doesn't have music, is great, interesting,
Speaker 3: actually very interesting. And Angelina Joe.
Speaker 1: But again those were the only two, like it was,
Speaker 1: those were the only two of that, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen you get Molesticent and Cinderella the previous with Sorcerer's
Speaker 1: Apprentice from twenty ten and then so so it's this
Speaker 1: big space and then you enter into like post Beauty
Speaker 1: and the Beast. It's like twenty seventeen Beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 1: Christopher Robinson twenty eighteen, Dumbo twenty nineteen, Aladdin twenty I
Speaker 1: want to ask you this, Rosie, where do we is?
Speaker 1: Is Pete's Dragon truly a live action remake? When I
Speaker 1: would argue the amount of the balance of animation exactly
Speaker 1: live action? Correct, this is basically the same from that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that you make a good point. I was
Speaker 3: actually kind of just thinking and saying about this, like,
Speaker 3: I think if it was up to me, I would
Speaker 3: kind of be promoting all of these as those old
Speaker 3: movies were promoted as Roger Rabbit was promoted as these
Speaker 3: kind of combo like, look what we can do. But
Speaker 3: obviously the idea of CG is it's supposed to be
Speaker 3: so seamless. So no, I think that's very fair. I don't.
Speaker 3: I think the reason that Pete Dragon is so wonderful
Speaker 3: is because it doesn't necessarily fit into a lot of
Speaker 3: the trappings and tropes, and David Lowry was given a
Speaker 3: lot of freedom. That and Green Knight are like a
Speaker 3: really great weird forest they double bill. Yeah, but it's true.
Speaker 3: I'm interested. I will say I do as somebody who
Speaker 3: has a lot of friends who love romance and who
Speaker 3: love like historical romantic fiction. The Little Mermaid has a
Speaker 3: huge fan base in that space. There's a huge fan
Speaker 3: art fan base for it. There is also a huge
Speaker 3: there's yeah, and there's a huge fan base for the
Speaker 3: fact that it is a very traditional happily ever after
Speaker 3: and it has this kind of very almost like Renaissance
Speaker 3: esthetic where you get to see these two people fall
Speaker 3: in love. I've seen I've seen the movie. I thought that, uh,
Speaker 3: is it was it Hailey who is in that movie? Yes,
Speaker 3: Hailey Berry. Yeah, she's fantastic. And I thought that the
Speaker 3: movie was was like, you know, interesting. That again meandered.
Speaker 3: But I will say that's another one where from just
Speaker 3: being online, I've realized that there is a huge kind
Speaker 3: of emotional and fan response to it, which I'm interested
Speaker 3: to see if that continues. But these I think for
Speaker 3: the amount that there has been, if you really look
Speaker 3: at the Bangers, quality is not the point here, Like
Speaker 3: the point is making money off nostalgia.
Speaker 1: I think in particular, Disney made a big, big bet
Speaker 1: coming off of, you know, being high on their own
Speaker 1: MCU supply like oh we've gary, we've figured it out,
Speaker 1: we know what to do, and now we're just gonna
Speaker 1: bet big on this thing, and.
Speaker 2: Frankly it just didn't work. It just didn't, you know what.
Speaker 3: But it's made them a lot of money, so I
Speaker 3: think that is from that sense, yes, it's been very successful.
Speaker 1: Okay, my uh best and worst, I'm gonna go with Paddington.
Speaker 1: The Paddington series adapted from the original BBC like the
Speaker 1: less choice paper animation and stop motion animation which was
Speaker 1: so charming and delightful, but like when you watch it
Speaker 1: now feels they're eleven year olds that are probably making
Speaker 1: better like stop motion than this right now with their
Speaker 1: like computers. And I think that the Paddington. I just
Speaker 1: love the Paddington movies, like even the even when it's
Speaker 1: not that great, they're great and the pat and Paddington
Speaker 1: looks wonderful. He's so like a motive and charming. I
Speaker 1: could stare into his eyes and he's fantastic. I love
Speaker 1: that they did the exact same thing from the origin,
Speaker 1: from the Paddington books and from the Paddington original animator,
Speaker 1: where it's like this bear is here, we don't question it.
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense. He's hand now walking around.
Speaker 1: He's here now, and he's walking around, He's interacting with everybody,
Speaker 1: and it's fine.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: Worst fuck There's so much to choose from, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Pinocchio twenty two.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, how did we not talk about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, is this.
Speaker 1: An snl skit? Like, what's happening this movie?
Speaker 3: I could not believe it. There is a scene in
Speaker 3: this movie and it's you know, I do rag on myself.
Speaker 3: You know, I think a fair amount for how much
Speaker 3: my Easter egg hunting, uh, you know, kind of had
Speaker 3: a ripple effect on the impact of things. And I
Speaker 3: hate to imagine that I even played point five percent
Speaker 3: of the fact that in this movie there is an
Speaker 3: entire wall of clocks that Geppetto made and every single
Speaker 3: one is a fucking Easter egg to a different Disney movie.
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, do not do this. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants this, Nobody wants to write an article about every
Speaker 3: fifty No, no, no. And it wasn't Tom Tom Hanks
Speaker 3: his weirdest action.
Speaker 2: Like sure his accent sucks thet.
Speaker 3: Exactly the same.
Speaker 4: And so much worse by the fact that Del Toro
Speaker 4: releases a stunning animated like Pinocchio.
Speaker 3: What months later if I recall literally in the same Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: I was flabbergas. I was like, Doesny you have to
Speaker 4: be so embarrassed.
Speaker 3: By this.
Speaker 1: And the and the way that the live action elements
Speaker 1: in the CGI elements meet is social and cold feeling,
Speaker 1: like yes, yes, I mean none of the magic of
Speaker 1: the original is transmitted to this one.
Speaker 2: It is bad.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I also I hate it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I also do wanna I want to like
Speaker 3: add another worst I'm on the Disney Live Action Reimaginings
Speaker 3: franchise page on IMDb, which I guess is kind of
Speaker 3: how they looking at all the worldwide openings. But you
Speaker 3: know which one. I don't necessarily think this counts because
Speaker 3: it's not adapting something that was originally animated, but they
Speaker 3: do include it in here. Oz the Great and Powerful
Speaker 3: hated that ship just make Wicked Wicked was already out
Speaker 3: like the book. You could have just adapted Wicked hated It.
Speaker 4: Made the douchey wizard it sympathetic.
Speaker 3: And then the Wicked the Witch is evil because like
Speaker 3: he didn't want to date her, Like, come the fuck on,
Speaker 3: this is a lesbian story again, Okay, Aaron dishonorable mention, Yes,
Speaker 3: please an official hater.
Speaker 2: Ghost in the Shell. I don't I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1: That's one of the ass Yes, exactly out.
Speaker 6: Of here Scarlett and Emma Untilda and that our favorite
Speaker 6: Asian movie stars.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, Aaron, you were going to call in a
Speaker 3: boot bringing.
Speaker 6: It a boo just he mentioned in the chat that
Speaker 6: he that Aladdin was bad, but he enjoyed how fun
Speaker 6: it was, so like.
Speaker 1: Okay, please please stand there. I love a stand for absolutely.
Speaker 4: There's a whole parade scene that is literally a whole
Speaker 4: way in like behind the Disney line. It looks so
Speaker 4: it's five walk away. They're like, that's the parade.
Speaker 3: Oh okay. I think Ian has actually come in in
Speaker 3: my opinion with the winner, and you should probably leave
Speaker 3: it on this because he put the new Chip and
Speaker 3: Dale was really good. Movie is fucking amazing. It's so funny,
Speaker 3: it has ugly sonic in it. It's honestly like one
Speaker 3: of the best. Also, I love like bootleg Disney movies.
Speaker 3: There's a director called Orlando Karate who made a lot
Speaker 3: of bootleg kind of anime esque like Japanese American co production,
Speaker 3: Japanese Talian co productions in like the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: They'll be like Cinderella's Trip to the Ball and they
Speaker 3: are like so bad and I'm obsessed with them, And
Speaker 3: that is essentially the plot of Chippindale.
Speaker 4: Also a big LA movie, like just if you love
Speaker 4: It on the City of La. It's really fun.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, great Coolly and I am like, you gotta
Speaker 3: come on here next time because you won all of
Speaker 3: our picks.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we where we've landed is live action movies.
Speaker 2: Just make a good one.
Speaker 1: Just make a good one. It's a little care where
Speaker 1: it comes from or when it's a down to.
Speaker 3: Just do it about it. Just do it movie.
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