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Speaker 1: Cue the bagpipes. Today's episode contains spoilers for How to

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Speaker 1: Train Your Dragon, the live action remake, but of course,

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Speaker 1: also the first installment of the original animated movie. Jason

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Speaker 1: Soon and I'm Mersey Night and welcome back to X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision. The podcast Will We divedo Your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 2: Where We're for you, three episodes a week every Tuesday Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: There's in today's episode, we are giving you our review

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Speaker 3: of the live action movie How to Train Your Dragon?

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Speaker 3: Ever heard of it? It's a part of it. It's

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Speaker 3: a live action remake of an animated classic, which is

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Speaker 3: going to inspire a round table conversation asking is it

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Speaker 3: a live action remake or an adaptation? Oh baby, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that's gonna get spicy, and we will also be

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Speaker 3: talking about the future of live action remakes. But bust,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about it. Jason, me and you. What do

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Speaker 3: we think about this movie?

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Speaker 2: Let's do it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, we have recently seen.

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Speaker 2: The live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon.

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Speaker 1: A wonderful truly. You called it a classic. I believe

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Speaker 1: it is. And it's also it contains or has what

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Speaker 1: I think is a very underrated soundtrack. Now, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: some people are gonna say, well, the soundtrack was nominated

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Speaker 1: for an Oscar.

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Speaker 2: It was, but it didn't win.

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Speaker 1: Still, I feel like it's not one that people talk

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Speaker 1: about in the same way they talk about, you know, like.

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Speaker 2: The Star Wars or Inception, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a wonderful soundtrack by John Powell, and

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Speaker 1: let's talk about what did you think of how to

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Speaker 1: How to Train Your Dragons?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I thought it was really, really enjoyable. I actually

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Speaker 3: decided to wait till after I watched it to rewatch

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Speaker 3: the animated one so I could kind of go in and.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Obviously. We sat together with my friend Isaiah and my

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Speaker 3: eleven year old review guy that I bring with me,

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Speaker 3: who saw Minecraft. Yeah, I thought it was really great.

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Speaker 3: I was actually kind of blown away by how good

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Speaker 3: the casting was, how wonderful, unbelievable casting. Everybody is just

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent committed. I was very moved by the score,

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Speaker 3: especially the kind of like flight test flying with a

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Speaker 3: toothless score that they use as a theme throughout every

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Speaker 3: single time. That would just be like crying every single

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Speaker 3: It's it's so passed thrilling. Yeah, and we, I mean

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Speaker 3: we both talked about this after straight after when we

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Speaker 3: for the most part, how unbelievable this movie look, not

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Speaker 3: only the aerial stuff, the landscape, how they make the

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Speaker 3: dragons feel so real in a live action space, how

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Speaker 3: they light the characters to kind of make them look

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Speaker 3: more cartoony but still very much in this kind of

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Speaker 3: I really felt like they did a great job with that,

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Speaker 3: especially with Hiccup. They constantly light his face to look

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Speaker 4: I love.

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Speaker 3: I love the casting of his I love the casting

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Speaker 3: think this is the first role she's really gotten to

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Speaker 3: less successful live action adaptation. In my opinion, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: for kids. Cinematography beautiful, Jared Butler amazing.

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Speaker 3: He rarely gets to be in any big movies like this.

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Speaker 2: I I loved it.

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Speaker 1: I found it comforting and thrilling all at the same time.

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Speaker 1: They They were so loyal really to the original story,

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Speaker 1: And but everything that they added in the everything that

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Speaker 1: about how I mean it's powerful. I could watch a

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Speaker 1: looks amazing. It captures the thrill and the energy and

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Speaker 1: to be, you know, riding Toothless around this incredible.

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Speaker 3: You really do feel like you are having that experience.

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Speaker 3: We got to see it in IMAX, and it really

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Speaker 1: And I you know they didn't they understood, don't change

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Speaker 1: It looks like they took everything that was there and

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Speaker 3: It was a seamless sless and that is a critique

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Speaker 3: When I rewatched the original, I basically felt like I

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Speaker 3: And something that kind of came across in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: but I did think that the themes were like very

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Speaker 1: I will get to that in a moment, because I

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Speaker 1: but I do have a dark take.

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Speaker 1: That said, I mentioned that I found this movie comforting,

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Speaker 1: and that includes the original animated version.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is not a new edition. This is definitely

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Speaker 3: see this movie, go see it because it is really great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome to the floor, super producers.

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Speaker 2: Joelle's superproducer Aaron. How are you folks.

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Speaker 3: Tickled by e? How do you want to hear it?

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Any the movie there in the groove, you said, Jay said,

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Speaker 3: it is actually about two communities coming together. Joel, talk

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Speaker 1: I mean I believe that that is also a reading,

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Speaker 4: Basic like jeneric reading is like this kid thinks differently,

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Speaker 2: We don't have to kill them, we can use slaves.

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Speaker 1: Jason's like maybe death is bad and being I'm not

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Speaker 4: Have the Hiccup wounded him.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm just saying the rest of the dragons,

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Speaker 3: Area considering that they were.

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Speaker 1: Released very quickly through that actually directly from dungeons and

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but continue, Joelle No.

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Speaker 4: You know I actually have the the esteemed privilege of

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Speaker 4: having spoken to Aaron separately and then you guys separately

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Speaker 3: Real and tell us what this movie.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait for this.

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Speaker 6: Shots that I am so different from you on this, Jason.

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Speaker 6: I think before you threw the break, you were like,

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Speaker 6: watch the original. You're not missing any track.

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Speaker 4: Please continue.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so one of your I took some notes as

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Speaker 6: do think that yossified How to Train Your Dragon looks better.

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Speaker 6: The dragons, the dragons, The dragons amazing. The dragons look amazing. Hiccup, Hiccup,

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Speaker 6: what's it? Hiccup looks like Andrew Garfield.

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Speaker 3: Too hot? Too hot? You've got your crush on this

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Speaker 3: no like yasified. I think you just have a crush

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Speaker 1: Also, I would just to lightly push back and then

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Speaker 6: You know anyway, Yes, for as for as hot as

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Speaker 6: Hiccup was, Gerard Butler looks like ship. His wig was

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Speaker 6: And hey, and I love I love Dead of Thieves

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Speaker 6: But this just feels like a band like went recorded

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Speaker 3: a Star Is Born?

441
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Speaker 4: Like you don't dream Works is trying to become the

442
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: new Disney.

443
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: Not just that, this is throughout history, throughout Hollywood history.

444
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: This is what happens is they go back and they

445
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: remake movies and they redo the same story and they

446
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: you know, there's fifty versions of snow White because that

447
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: is an out of license story. There are, you know,

448
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: so many different fairy tale stories. There are so many

449
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: Westerns that are basically beat for beat the same thing.

450
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: So I think that when a movie is made, which

451
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: in Aaron's opinion like this movie is not good, then

452
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: you do ask those questions. For me, I thought this

453
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 3: movie was beautiful enough. It's been like eleven years, and

454
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: you know what I feel like this is gonna introduce.

455
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Speaker 3: For example, Isaiah had not seen the original, but he

456
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: loved this. He'd watch the TV shows and he felt

457
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: like this just like supplanted that and he was so

458
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: excited to go back and check.

459
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 6: Out the original he's only seen the TV shows and

460
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 6: not the original movie.

461
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: He's gonna go see it. But what I'm saying is

462
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: that what I'm saying is that is gonna be There's

463
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: gonna be a whole generation of kids like that who

464
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: were gonna get to experience this for the first time,

465
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Speaker 3: like so many of us did with remakes of other stuff.

466
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Speaker 4: And I think plus, a whole new theme park just

467
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 4: opened up.

468
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: And that's the real The thing that I find interesting

469
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: is I want to talk to whoever it was who

470
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 3: understood the kind of insane fandom that this had that

471
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: they could build an entire park off it and do

472
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: another remake, because look, on, I know that this is

473
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: a popular movie, but I didn't know this was like

474
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: a you can build a multi billion dollar theme park

475
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: and do a new movie. But now that I've seen

476
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: the new movie and I've seen images of the theme park,

477
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: which apparently is the best, if not one of the

478
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: best lad Good, I get it, Like I want to

479
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: spend more time in this world. So I just I

480
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: I do think that the notion of like remakes are

481
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: unneeded becomes a question of quality, because that is just

482
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: the history of like Hollywood and entertainment in general. It

483
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: say it's always going to be a sequel, there's always

484
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: going to be a remake. But I think that compared

485
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: to like ninety percent, if not more, of the Disney ones,

486
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: this to me felt like, oh yeah, I mean when

487
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 3: I rewatched How to Train Your Dragon, it's amazing and

488
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: it is obviously like the original. The animated vision is gorgeous,

489
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: but I was like, but I also do I would

490
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: like to be in the cinema watching this and feeling

491
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: like I'm flying through the ad with toothless, which you can't.

492
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: You don't feel like that in the anime ad version.

493
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Speaker 1: I will say, I think that the I think the

494
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: for me, what this remake, adaption whatever do well is

495
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Speaker 1: it doesn't try as I think some of the Disney ones,

496
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: many of the Disney ones try to do, which is

497
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: create this entirely new, hyper real aesthetic.

498
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: Yes, this is very cost to any movie.

499
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that turns into this kind of surreal, uncanny valley

500
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: feeling thing that has an entire visual language that I one,

501
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I find it really hard to emotionally connect to, and

502
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: two it feels as real as it is, it almost

503
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: feels like more fakes sometimes and I think that they,

504
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: in my in my view, smartly took what worked and.

505
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Kind of transitioned it.

506
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Speaker 1: To the live action space in terms of character design,

507
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: in terms of detailing, in terms of you know, how

508
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: the characters look, in terms of shots, in terms of lighting.

509
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: I liked it.

510
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: Now.

511
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I think I think, Rosie, you're exactly right that the

512
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: need to be made argument is basically just say you

513
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: don't like it and let's move on, like, because none

514
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: of this shit needs.

515
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: To be made.

516
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: It's the nature of like all of Hollywood is like,

517
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: guess what, guys, I'm gonna tell you something. Roger and Eba,

518
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: you know what, they were saying they didn't need to

519
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: make seven Friday the Thirteenth movies. They didn't even need

520
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: to make one, but guess yeah. So I think it's

521
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: a constant conversation. But I think that because Aaron is

522
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: here and I believe he is the only one out

523
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: of the three of us who's seen it. Aaron, let's

524
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: get your take on another controversial live action remake recently,

525
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: because we did recently have the Lelo and Stitch live

526
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: action remake, which did it inspired a lot of different conversations.

527
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: There was a lot of discourse about it. There was

528
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: a lot of feelings in the Native Hawaiian community about it,

529
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: and there was also millions and millions of dollars made

530
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: at the box office because for certain families it was

531
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Speaker 3: the perfect movie. So, Aaron, what were your feelings on

532
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: Leelo and Stitches live action film?

533
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Speaker 6: So I will again acknowledge up top you already mentioned it,

534
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 6: but there were a lot of things that people were

535
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Speaker 6: upset about with this live action remake. Adaptation whatever you

536
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 6: want to do, and there were some particular changes both

537
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 6: the story as well as character characters that were just

538
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 6: completely cut out for your film, yep, and so some

539
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 6: people were unhappy with that. I thought that this felt

540
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Speaker 6: like as opposed to How to Treat Your Dragon, which,

541
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Speaker 6: to be fair, I did enjoy. I just enjoyed the

542
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 6: animated more and I felt like Leelo and Stitch the

543
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 6: live action added something and gave us a nice little

544
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 6: deeper view into certain parts of the movie that we

545
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 6: didn't get in the animated And again animated is older.

546
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 6: There are a lot different things that are happening in

547
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 6: Disney at that time and what they can do. But

548
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 6: for instance, I liked the character changes they did, so

549
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 6: they split mister Bubbles from being this like secret agent

550
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 6: also social worker into a social worker and a secret agent,

551
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 6: so there are two separate characters, and that just made

552
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 6: more sense to me. And I liked that the social

553
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 6: worker was Hawaiian. It was in fact Tia who was

554
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 6: Nanny in the original, and she comes back in the

555
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 6: live action to play the social worker, which I loved.

556
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 6: And in the live action I didn't miss gone to

557
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 6: that much, like it was cool the kids missed God.

558
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: I had a kid tell me yesterday at a graduation party.

559
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: She was like, yeah, I really liked it, but where

560
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: I was gone to? And then also, I will say,

561
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: the kids are upset about the lack of cross dressing.

562
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: I've had multiple people say that they actually little kids

563
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: be like why wasn't that character allowed to dress like

564
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: a go now?

565
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 6: And I didn't they fight over who gets to wear

566
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 6: the wig when they're falling asleep, and like, yeah, there's yeah,

567
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 6: I get that. I just liked I didn't need Jumba

568
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 6: to have a to get fixed and like change their tune,

569
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 6: because we already have that with Leelo and Stitch. We

570
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 6: don't need everyone in the movie to be redeemed like

571
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 6: I'm totally fine with just the main characters getting redeemed.

572
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 6: And I loved the you know, the the writer is

573
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 6: Hawaiian as well, and the screenwriter and he meant he

574
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 6: made a point to say, like I wanted to make

575
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 6: a change that if this happened in real life, it

576
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Speaker 6: the Hawaii I come from, would not have these two

577
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 6: girls left on their own. The community would come together.

578
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: And so I loved that their auntie comes in, their neighbor,

579
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 6: becomes part of their family in the same way that like,

580
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 6: you know, family is not just blood relatives. We all

581
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: have close friends who are found family. We all have

582
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 6: family friends who were not directly related to who become

583
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: essential parts of your family. That's who their auntie, Amy Hill.

584
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 6: She becomes their family and she takes Leelo. So it's

585
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 6: not just it's not you know, you know, Nannie gives

586
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 6: Leelo up to the state and never sees her again.

587
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 6: She lives like in the same house with her auntie

588
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: who lives next door. That's the most like, I don't know,

589
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: heartwarming way that that could have gone. Sure get rid of,

590
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 6: like why does she have to go to college in

591
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 6: the States as opposed to on Hawaii that's.

592
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: A famously great marine biology is in Hawaii.

593
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Speaker 6: I just have to say, but I'm not gonna let

594
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Speaker 6: one sentence ruin the movie for me, Like there was

595
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Speaker 6: a lot in that I really enjoyed, and I thought

596
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 6: Nanni was fleshed out a lot more and I got

597
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 6: a much bigger sense of like her hopes and dreams

598
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 6: were important, and when they lost their parents, she was

599
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 6: impacted in a way that wasn't just now I have

600
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 6: to take care of my sister. It was I had

601
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 6: always wanted to do this and I don't get to

602
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 6: now because my parents passed away, and so and there's

603
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: this great scene I thought it was great where they're

604
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Speaker 6: talking about her.

605
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Speaker 2: Are you going to go scene for scene and tell

606
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: us about this love this movie so much.

607
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: I also just want to say, guys, I.

608
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Know the credits when I loved about the font with

609
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Speaker 1: the credits as the.

610
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Speaker 3: Rule, I do want to say. I do want to say, guys,

611
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: as there was Yes, that is where a lot of

612
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: the conversation was about, and I do understand as well.

613
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: I want to say that I do think it is

614
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: absolutely fair for people to watch a movie made by

615
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: a multi billion dollar American company like Disney and to

616
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: read the change in the ending as essentially like at

617
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: best not thoughtful and at worst as propaganda, which is

618
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: when there is such a conversation about like a Native

619
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Speaker 3: children being taken away from their parents. And also, but

620
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Speaker 3: I do think that something and this is another interesting

621
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Speaker 3: conversation I think to have about live action adaptations, especially

622
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Speaker 3: when it's something like Lelo and Stitch, which the original

623
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 3: movie was not a huge smash hit and became one

624
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: over VHS. Lelo and Stitch the original movie hat because

625
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: of the lack of kind of oversight it, it did

626
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: get to make statements that to a lot of people

627
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: I think ended up feeling radical, even if that wasn't

628
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: the intention. Even though a lot of the movie was

629
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: made by white.

630
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 6: People, and I have seen and starred white people. Let's

631
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 6: let's be open about that.

632
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also I will say there was also issues

633
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: in this movie that Nanni is not played by a

634
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: Native Hawaiian actress. And so I think like it's a

635
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: very interesting conversation in this case because I think Lelo

636
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: and Stitch acted as one of those movies where it

637
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 3: was an unexpected finding representation where you can and people

638
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: hold it very dear and there are generations of people

639
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: who grew up with it on VHS, and I also

640
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: think that is going to be a very hard thing

641
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: to translate, whereas something like How to Train Your Dragon

642
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: is pretty much a beat for beat remake, and you're

643
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: just like, hey, this is a really gorgeous upgraded version

644
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: that isn't some shitty upscaled Ai four K remaster. This

645
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: is like a re envisioning. Yeah, it's like and I

646
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: think that's the difference. And I think that's why the

647
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: conversations kind of talk.

648
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Speaker 1: About that, because what is it what works and what

649
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: doesn't work for us in a live action remake?

650
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: Aaron like, what is.

651
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: What are the things that for you make a live

652
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: action remake essential or additive?

653
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: And what are the things that don't work for you?

654
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: And when is it?

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Speaker 6: So I think I think about it like when you

656
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 6: see a band perform live, you've listened to the album

657
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 6: and you hear the song that they've done recorded. When

658
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 6: you when they do it live, you want a different

659
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 6: sort of energy, whether that be they are changing up

660
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 6: bits of the song they're they're doing, you know, different

661
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 6: interpretations of sections of the songs. I like things that

662
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 6: are you already know the original. Let me give you

663
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 6: another take on this. Yeah, And so that's why I

664
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Speaker 6: think in a live action remake, adaptation, and I want

665
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: something that gives me. I don't want to have it

666
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: be seen for see from what I've already watched. And

667
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 6: so I think that's for me. I want, like, I

668
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 6: want some changes, and I think that that is how

669
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Speaker 6: I view seeing a continuation of the story Joelle.

670
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like anything that's happening in a franchise. Now,

671
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: you don't need to justify why the film needs be made,

672
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: but you do need to make a good film. So

673
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: I'm open to films that have changes in are reinterpreting characters,

674
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: especially if it's been a long time. But you know,

675
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: we can look to snow White and see what happens

676
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: when you do that poorly, when you're not updating for

677
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: the time period, when you're not interacting.

678
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 6: Oh, you.

679
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: Understand it completely. You just read the assignment and a

680
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: train X. And so I just think for me, like

681
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: I'll say, up until I have dun your Dragon, and

682
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: I haven't seen le Loan Stitch yet, I have not

683
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: liked the remakes. The only one I thought was worth

684
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: the Damaged Jungle Book, which again is more yeah wonder

685
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 4: One remake. But if they're going to continue to exist,

686
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 4: which it seems like, I mean, Leon's just making this

687
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 4: most money and what we imagine is going to happen

688
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: with How to Train Your Dragon, then at least like

689
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: to me, like the casting of How To Train Your

690
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: Dragon is so freaking phenomenal, Like everybody really understood the

691
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: assignment of their character and you feel very connected to them.

692
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: And that's really what I'm looking for, especially on the

693
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: Disney Train, like we come for the characters. I want

694
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 4: to see them in the parks. I want their outfits,

695
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: I want them on T shirts. Give me an interesting

696
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: perspective on these characters.

697
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Speaker 3: I was very happy to see Julian Dennison. I don't

698
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: think he gets enough work legendary making the movie. I

699
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: thought he was really fun. That character is barely good

700
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: anything in the originally the I will also say I

701
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: thought that they did a good job of like making

702
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: those characters still still feel as like weird and kind

703
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: of cartoony as they are. Okay, I want to talk

704
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: about this too, because when we were prepping this episode

705
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 3: in this stock, let's talk about that because because Aaron

706
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: wants changes, Joelle's open to either what do you guys

707
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: think about, Like, how do you define something like Maleficent,

708
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: which follows the same plot points as Sleeping Beauty but

709
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: from a completely different perspective, essentially creating a different movie

710
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: and recasting a character in a different phrase, to something

711
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: like How to Train Your Dragon, which is a direct

712
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: kind of remake, like almost like a shot for shot

713
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: like Psycho Gus Van Samins Psycho remake, but like some

714
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: doesn't like.

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Speaker 1: Something like Maleficent is not a live action remake. It

716
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Speaker 1: is a completely different story a la Wicked.

717
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I like the Wicked comparison.

718
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Speaker 1: That even though there is kind of a let's say,

719
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: like loose similarity between the story arcs, the fact that

720
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Speaker 1: you're in another character's shoes is so upending to the

721
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Speaker 1: original story, Like it is a completely different perspective, a

722
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Speaker 1: different story, a different protagonist, and therefore I think it

723
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Speaker 1: is I think something like that is not a.

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Speaker 4: I'm classify that as a franchise expander, giving more death

725
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Speaker 4: on your specific in the way that I don't want

726
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Speaker 4: to reference.

727
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Speaker 3: Those movies franchise expansion.

728
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Speaker 4: I like that which I can appreciate. You know, I

729
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: love a world in diving in and exploring, but I

730
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Speaker 4: do kind of hope we continue to find ways to

731
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Speaker 4: like engage and like for me, like Scar, the Moufasa

732
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: like movie should have been the Scar movie. I'm like,

733
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Speaker 4: what are we doing?

734
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Speaker 3: Like we have?

735
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Speaker 4: Mufasa has a perfect arc in the original Lion King.

736
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Speaker 4: If you're going to and and stop doing it with

737
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Speaker 4: animals until we can figure out what to do with

738
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Speaker 4: the mouths, it just stop.

739
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Speaker 3: Also, okay, I want to talk about let's talk about

740
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Speaker 3: Lion k slash Mafasa because can those even count as

741
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Speaker 3: live action if they're completely CG. I think that is

742
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Speaker 3: still an animated movie. I have.

743
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Speaker 4: I I agree with you. I do.

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Speaker 6: It's tough because both of the two movies we talked

745
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Speaker 6: about earlier, Lelo and Stitch and How to Train Your

746
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Speaker 6: Dragon feature very prominent fully.

747
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Speaker 3: CG.

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Speaker 4: This is.

749
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Speaker 3: Exactly I'm gonna so. I'm gonna tell you this is

750
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Speaker 3: my spiciest take that I think that and it's very

751
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: like it's a it's not particularly spicy, but I do

752
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: think it's I think all of these movies should be

753
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: considered essentially like Roger Rabbit esque, like animated live action

754
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 3: kind of combo movies, and I actually think that that

755
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 3: would maybe interest people more if we spoke about them

756
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: like that. But I also think that it's tough because

757
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: people then would start to wonder about like every live

758
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: action movie you see now that has like heavily CG characters,

759
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: So that would basically like quantum Is that essentially the

760
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: same thing? Yeah, basically. But I mean I think that

761
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: there's something interesting about the way that live action and

762
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: CG are used together in these movies, and I think

763
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: that's something that should actually be like interestingly, you know,

764
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: having a conversation about Ian, don't bring up Robert zemeachis

765
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: in this conversation that that insane dead eyed man like

766
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: the Polar Express. That's one of the scariest movies I've

767
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: ever seen, man, But you know, I watch it every

768
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: year at Christmas. I still love it. Bear Wolf, he

769
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: was doing this before anyone else, honestly, so we can't

770
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: we can't take that away from him. Okay, So I'm

771
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: gonna tell you guys, this is my the first live

772
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: action Disney animated movie that they made, the animated remake

773
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Speaker 3: that they made, like this live action remake of an

774
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Speaker 3: animated film, I should say was Pete's Dragon. Right now,

775
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: I'm like a number one Pete Dragon Superstan. I love

776
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: the original movie, which was an animated live action kind

777
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 3: of hybrid. But the movie, I think this is actually

778
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: where they went wrong because the Pete Dragon movie is

779
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: essentially a completely different story. The original Pete's Dragon is

780
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: very whimsical. It's very much in that kind of Mary

781
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: Poppins space. It's also super like Stoner coded Puff the

782
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: Magic Dragon, like weird.

783
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: We say seventies.

784
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like, you know, very seventies, like

785
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: whoa spiraling out? But it has kind of similar vibes,

786
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 3: which is like kid Left by Himself Dragon. That movie

787
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: is directed by David Lowry. It has Bryce, Alice Howard,

788
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Speaker 3: It has Wes Bentley, It has Carl Urban as Una

789
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Speaker 3: Lawrence has Robert Redford. The movie is so gorgeous and

790
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: basically is about found family and about the freedom of

791
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 3: found family and about the dangers of the state getting

792
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: involved with found family. And I thought it was fantastic,

793
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: and it was made for sixty five million dollars and

794
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: it made one hundred and forty three million dollars. But

795
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: I think post that they were like, well, we want

796
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: these movies to make a billion dollars. We want I

797
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: think that David Lowry was allowed to make this movie

798
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: because it was the first in a trial period. But

799
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is where we should be going. We

800
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: should be doing weirder old Disney movies that people have

801
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: not really seen. I'll tell you what I would make

802
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: a remake of doesn't need any animation. There's a really

803
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Speaker 3: weird Jody Foster movie where she is clearly she's like twelve,

804
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 3: and she's clearly a lesbian feet who goes into an

805
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: old man's house to steal all his goods. It's called Candlewick.

806
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: Ten out of ten remake that shit. Like Disney has

807
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: such a weird history of like animation and just strange

808
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: movies in general, and I think leaning into the strains.

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Speaker 4: We Cauldron, live Action Wears Please.

810
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: That's what I am talking about, like movies that maybe

811
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Speaker 3: didn't hit at the time but then were able to

812
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: find their kind of wow Iam Page masterymake. I would

813
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Speaker 3: watch it.

814
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: I try. I'm not prepared.

815
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: I love that movie. But yeah, like I think the

816
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: conversation of what is animation, what is live action? It's

817
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: so blurred nowadays that it becomes like a hard conversation

818
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: to have because MCU movies are you know, fifty percent

819
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: if not more in something like ant Man in Quantitmania volume,

820
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: what does that really add to it? So it's an

821
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: interesting space and an interesting conversation. But I also think

822
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Speaker 3: that the almost like the semantics of it end up

823
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Speaker 3: just kind of like you missed the fact of as

824
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: the movie.

825
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: If I can bring a ridiculous hard rule to it,

826
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Speaker 4: I think if we have, I think.

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Speaker 3: I love a ridiculous hard rule avatar.

828
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Speaker 4: I do, I really do, because it's in the details.

829
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Speaker 3: It's important.

830
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Speaker 4: I classify as a live action because they shoot all

831
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Speaker 4: of it, like the act being there that.

832
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: The reforms to move through it and they're like everybody

833
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: in it's a lot of mo cap okay, okay.

834
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Speaker 4: Jungle Book is a live action movie. The live action

835
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: remake of Jungle Book has a kidney. All of that

836
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: is staged and moved around it behind the scenes. A

837
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: Lion King is an animated movie.

838
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the lion is not a single real thing

839
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Speaker 3: in it.

840
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: That's that's my dividing line. If there's at least one

841
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: real person and they had stage and set it up

842
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 4: and shoot with real like, you know, actually shooting something

843
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 4: and not creating with in the computer. Then live action.

844
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, let's go to a break, and then we

845
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: can come back and talk about our best and worst

846
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: live action animated remakes or franchise expanders or whatever else

847
00:46:50,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: do you want to pull, and we're back.

848
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about our best live action remakes, our

849
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: favorite live action remakes or expanders or whatever you want

850
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: to call it. Let's start, Joelle, let's start with you.

851
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna go and start real controversial one hundred

852
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 4: and one Dalmatians with Glenn Close.

853
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Speaker 3: Oh that's great.

854
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: I love that is such.

855
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 3: Isn't it kind of funny that when we were kids

856
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: we didn't even think about that wasn't a terminology for it.

857
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: We were just like, yeah, of course you would remake.

858
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: This, Yes, Glenn Close and fabulous outfits, being as wild

859
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 4: and crazy as she wants to be. There's some crazy

860
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 4: production design in there, and incind about the soundtracks that slaps.

861
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 4: One hundred and one Dalmatians got me into jazz as

862
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: a child, really lovely. And then I would say, do

863
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 4: you want just do best and worst.

864
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, just do Best and West want to be I'm

865
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: gonna be real. There's not a lot of good ones.

866
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: It's like a hundred movies, and maybe they're not great.

867
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Speaker 4: Okay, I am gonna say Mulan because it misses everything.

868
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: It didn't get the historical like recreation right, it didn't

869
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 4: get the things we loved about the original animation right.

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Speaker 4: It's a hot mess. No one seemed to appreciate it.

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00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: Nobody who's like no bisexuality.

872
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: Like excited about it. I think Mulan is an interesting

873
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 4: historical figure that should have many great movies.

874
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: And I've had many great Chinese movies.

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00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think Disney just really really dropped the

876
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 4: ball on Mulan.

877
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: Okay, Aaron, Best and West, I don't know.

878
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: This is cheating.

879
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: Can I say the Flintstones for best? Or is that

880
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: not you can?

881
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Flintstones.

882
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 2: I think for the best, it's great. For the worst.

883
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 6: I feel bad because I haven't actually seen the entire thing.

884
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 6: But Aladdin, I just I'm.

885
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: Badly unnecessary pop song that made me would have rip

886
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 4: my eyes out. I said, what have you done to Ali? Insanity?

887
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not not not, not great.

888
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 4: I could go on. I could I forgot about whatever?

889
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: I think I'm I love the kind of I love

890
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 3: that these are spreading beyond because I do think Aaron,

891
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: I think you make a great point with flint Stones.

892
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: I think that's definitely one of the really really legendary

893
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: ones and also comes from that era before there were

894
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: enough movies that we were having to have conversations about

895
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: whether these are live action adaptations or remaates or whatever.

896
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna pick Peach

897
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: Dragon as my best because I do watch that movie

898
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: a lot. I own it on Blu Ray. I think

899
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: it's beautiful. It breaks my heart every time I watch

900
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: it. It's got a great soundtrack. I will say, I'm gonna say,

901
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: but my, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna skip

902
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: Peach Dragon. I already shouted out, I'm gonna say, you

903
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna say right now. Recently Bias How

904
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: to Train Your Dragon. It was really brilliant. I loved it.

905
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: It made me. When I got home, I immediately rewatched

906
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: the original because I wanted to recapture the feeling I

907
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: had in the movie theater and it's a Nico Parker

908
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: as Astrod. It's a Nico Parker vehicle, the one she deserves,

909
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: and it will make me less bad about picking my

910
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: worst live action adaptation. Kind of not really, I guess

911
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: we would say this is a franchise expander. Dumbo director

912
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: by Timber.

913
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: It's so bad, Timothy.

914
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Take them away. He made that. He made frickin' both

915
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: the Alison Wondler again, Yes, you don't want to hear

916
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: it there. Dumbo should have been Dumbo should have been

917
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: like really fantastic and weird, but it was not. It

918
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: was just a bad movie. And you know what. That

919
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: was another thing I was struck by with How to

920
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: Train Your Dragon and Pete Dragon also has this issue,

921
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: which is why I guess I kind of knocked it

922
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: off in the end. These Disney adaptations, live action remakes whatever,

923
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: they really meander like often you're watching them and you're like,

924
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: where is that straight through like story that grabbed me

925
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: in the original animation? We have to now make it

926
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: two hours and fourty minutes long. Dumbo drugs are that

927
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: How To Train Your Dragon does not. That is a breezy, frickin' movie,

928
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: Like you just feel like you're on the adventure. So

929
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: I think those will be my current twenty twenty five.

930
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's notable picks. It's notable to me that

931
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: like in terms of live action remakes, Disney has been

932
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: at this a while. You mentioned one Dalmatians from ninety

933
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: six with Gone Close and Jeff Daniels, and then it's

934
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: really not until like twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen

935
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: when you get this glut and nothing from the glut

936
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: is good. Almost nothing from the glut is it's just

937
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: too much. There is stuff throwing it thickle.

938
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: Reconsideration of Cinderella, I will say I seen Young gen Z.

939
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: It's made by Kenneth Browner. If you like a traditional

940
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: kind of fairytale story doesn't have music, is great, interesting,

941
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: actually very interesting. And Angelina Joe.

942
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: But again those were the only two, like it was,

943
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: those were the only two of that, you know, twenty

944
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: fourteen you get Molesticent and Cinderella the previous with Sorcerer's

945
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Apprentice from twenty ten and then so so it's this

946
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: big space and then you enter into like post Beauty

947
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: and the Beast. It's like twenty seventeen Beauty and the Beast.

948
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Christopher Robinson twenty eighteen, Dumbo twenty nineteen, Aladdin twenty I

949
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: want to ask you this, Rosie, where do we is?

950
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: Is Pete's Dragon truly a live action remake? When I

951
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: would argue the amount of the balance of animation exactly

952
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: live action? Correct, this is basically the same from that.

953
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

954
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: I think that you make a good point. I was

955
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: actually kind of just thinking and saying about this, like,

956
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: I think if it was up to me, I would

957
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: kind of be promoting all of these as those old

958
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: movies were promoted as Roger Rabbit was promoted as these

959
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: kind of combo like, look what we can do. But

960
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: obviously the idea of CG is it's supposed to be

961
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: so seamless. So no, I think that's very fair. I don't.

962
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 3: I think the reason that Pete Dragon is so wonderful

963
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: is because it doesn't necessarily fit into a lot of

964
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: the trappings and tropes, and David Lowry was given a

965
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: lot of freedom. That and Green Knight are like a

966
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: really great weird forest they double bill. Yeah, but it's true.

967
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm interested. I will say I do as somebody who

968
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: has a lot of friends who love romance and who

969
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: love like historical romantic fiction. The Little Mermaid has a

970
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: huge fan base in that space. There's a huge fan

971
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: art fan base for it. There is also a huge

972
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: there's yeah, and there's a huge fan base for the

973
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: fact that it is a very traditional happily ever after

974
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: and it has this kind of very almost like Renaissance

975
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: esthetic where you get to see these two people fall

976
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: in love. I've seen I've seen the movie. I thought that, uh,

977
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: is it was it Hailey who is in that movie? Yes,

978
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: Hailey Berry. Yeah, she's fantastic. And I thought that the

979
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: movie was was like, you know, interesting. That again meandered.

980
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: But I will say that's another one where from just

981
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: being online, I've realized that there is a huge kind

982
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: of emotional and fan response to it, which I'm interested

983
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: to see if that continues. But these I think for

984
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: the amount that there has been, if you really look

985
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: at the Bangers, quality is not the point here, Like

986
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: the point is making money off nostalgia.

987
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: I think in particular, Disney made a big, big bet

988
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: coming off of, you know, being high on their own

989
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: MCU supply like oh we've gary, we've figured it out,

990
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: we know what to do, and now we're just gonna

991
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: bet big on this thing, and.

992
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: Frankly it just didn't work. It just didn't, you know what.

993
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 3: But it's made them a lot of money, so I

994
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: think that is from that sense, yes, it's been very successful.

995
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: Okay, my uh best and worst, I'm gonna go with Paddington.

996
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: The Paddington series adapted from the original BBC like the

997
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: less choice paper animation and stop motion animation which was

998
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: so charming and delightful, but like when you watch it

999
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: now feels they're eleven year olds that are probably making

1000
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: better like stop motion than this right now with their

1001
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: like computers. And I think that the Paddington. I just

1002
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: love the Paddington movies, like even the even when it's

1003
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: not that great, they're great and the pat and Paddington

1004
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: looks wonderful. He's so like a motive and charming. I

1005
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: could stare into his eyes and he's fantastic. I love

1006
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: that they did the exact same thing from the origin,

1007
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: from the Paddington books and from the Paddington original animator,

1008
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: where it's like this bear is here, we don't question it.

1009
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense. He's hand now walking around.

1010
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: He's here now, and he's walking around, He's interacting with everybody,

1011
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: and it's fine.

1012
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: I love that.

1013
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: Worst fuck There's so much to choose from, but I'm

1014
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna go with Pinocchio twenty two.

1015
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, how did we not talk about this?

1016
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, is this.

1017
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: An snl skit? Like, what's happening this movie?

1018
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 3: I could not believe it. There is a scene in

1019
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: this movie and it's you know, I do rag on myself.

1020
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: You know, I think a fair amount for how much

1021
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: my Easter egg hunting, uh, you know, kind of had

1022
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: a ripple effect on the impact of things. And I

1023
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: hate to imagine that I even played point five percent

1024
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: of the fact that in this movie there is an

1025
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 3: entire wall of clocks that Geppetto made and every single

1026
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: one is a fucking Easter egg to a different Disney movie.

1027
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, do not do this. Nobody

1028
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 3: wants this, Nobody wants to write an article about every

1029
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: fifty No, no, no. And it wasn't Tom Tom Hanks

1030
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 3: his weirdest action.

1031
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: Like sure his accent sucks thet.

1032
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: Exactly the same.

1033
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 4: And so much worse by the fact that Del Toro

1034
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: releases a stunning animated like Pinocchio.

1035
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: What months later if I recall literally in the same Yeah, yeah,

1036
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: it was.

1037
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 4: I was flabbergas. I was like, Doesny you have to

1038
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 4: be so embarrassed.

1039
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: By this.

1040
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: And the and the way that the live action elements

1041
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: in the CGI elements meet is social and cold feeling,

1042
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: like yes, yes, I mean none of the magic of

1043
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: the original is transmitted to this one.

1044
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: It is bad.

1045
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

1046
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: I also I hate it.

1047
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, I also do wanna I want to like

1048
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: add another worst I'm on the Disney Live Action Reimaginings

1049
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: franchise page on IMDb, which I guess is kind of

1050
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: how they looking at all the worldwide openings. But you

1051
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: know which one. I don't necessarily think this counts because

1052
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 3: it's not adapting something that was originally animated, but they

1053
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: do include it in here. Oz the Great and Powerful

1054
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: hated that ship just make Wicked Wicked was already out

1055
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: like the book. You could have just adapted Wicked hated It.

1056
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: Made the douchey wizard it sympathetic.

1057
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: And then the Wicked the Witch is evil because like

1058
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 3: he didn't want to date her, Like, come the fuck on,

1059
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: this is a lesbian story again, Okay, Aaron dishonorable mention, Yes,

1060
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: please an official hater.

1061
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: Ghost in the Shell. I don't I don't know if that's.

1062
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: That's one of the ass Yes, exactly out.

1063
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 6: Of here Scarlett and Emma Untilda and that our favorite

1064
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 6: Asian movie stars.

1065
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, Aaron, you were going to call in a

1066
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: boot bringing.

1067
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 6: It a boo just he mentioned in the chat that

1068
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 6: he that Aladdin was bad, but he enjoyed how fun

1069
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 6: it was, so like.

1070
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: Okay, please please stand there. I love a stand for absolutely.

1071
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: There's a whole parade scene that is literally a whole

1072
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: way in like behind the Disney line. It looks so

1073
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 4: it's five walk away. They're like, that's the parade.

1074
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: Oh okay. I think Ian has actually come in in

1075
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: my opinion with the winner, and you should probably leave

1076
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: it on this because he put the new Chip and

1077
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 3: Dale was really good. Movie is fucking amazing. It's so funny,

1078
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: it has ugly sonic in it. It's honestly like one

1079
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: of the best. Also, I love like bootleg Disney movies.

1080
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: There's a director called Orlando Karate who made a lot

1081
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: of bootleg kind of anime esque like Japanese American co production,

1082
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: Japanese Talian co productions in like the eighties and nineties.

1083
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: They'll be like Cinderella's Trip to the Ball and they

1084
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: are like so bad and I'm obsessed with them, And

1085
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 3: that is essentially the plot of Chippindale.

1086
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 4: Also a big LA movie, like just if you love

1087
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 4: It on the City of La. It's really fun.

1088
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, great Coolly and I am like, you gotta

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Speaker 3: come on here next time because you won all of

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Speaker 3: our picks.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we where we've landed is live action movies.

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Speaker 2: Just make a good one.

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Speaker 1: Just make a good one. It's a little care where

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Speaker 3: Just do it about it. Just do it movie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our panel of super producers for joining

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Speaker 1: us today to us this heated topic. On the next

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Speaker 1: episode of Extra Vision, We've got news and our thoughts

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Speaker 1: on Hulu's Predator.

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Speaker 3: Killer of Killers and animated.

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Speaker 2: Great for sure. That's it for this episode. Next for listening, Bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abusafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wax.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 3: Heidi Our Discord moderate them