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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Wrong.
Speaker 4: And each week and Beyond Contact, we'll explore the latest
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Speaker 3: Talk with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I
Speaker 3: am Captain Royan, and we are back for part two
Speaker 3: of our discussion with Matthew James Bailey. All right, Matthew,
Speaker 3: how do you think our AI systems could help detect
Speaker 3: or even decode an alien message if we don't know
Speaker 3: or understand how aliens even communicate?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question, Ron, And one of the
Speaker 5: great things about artificial intelligence is brilliant at pattern recognition,
Speaker 5: and it's brilliant at number crunching. That's a remarkable speed, right.
Speaker 5: So when we've got the SETI program and they're tuning
Speaker 5: in to different parts of space, basically they're looking for
Speaker 5: patterns for signals, and then it'll go into AI and
Speaker 5: then AI will number crunch it and see whether there's
Speaker 5: a pattern in there. So in the SETI program, we're
Speaker 5: already using artificial intelligence that messages from the beyond the
Speaker 5: Cosmos and also things like the James Web Telescope. While
Speaker 5: that's not looking at signal specifically, it's detecting images that
Speaker 5: allow us to uncover more about the universe, more about
Speaker 5: exoplanets and other planets that might hold life. And therefore
Speaker 5: AI is being used everywhere in space exploration to discover
Speaker 5: the next spaces we're going to meet.
Speaker 3: So exciting. Hey, you know, we already discussed the probability
Speaker 3: that an alien civilization would most likely send out some
Speaker 3: form of artificial intelligence to explore the universe before it
Speaker 3: sends out a biologic being, just like we're going to do.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking the other day that we are
Speaker 3: just about getting to the point where we're not able
Speaker 3: to distinguish between AI and a human And I realized,
Speaker 3: if we were able to figure out how to communicate
Speaker 3: with an alien message that we got, we would have
Speaker 3: no idea if we're talking to some form of alien
Speaker 3: AI or an alien itself, because we have no reference
Speaker 3: point for that.
Speaker 5: What do you think, I think that's a really good question, ron,
Speaker 5: I think that's brilliant. So, first of all, would a
Speaker 5: biological form from another planet send out technology like an
Speaker 5: AI to actually meet another species? Of course, it makes
Speaker 5: really good sense. And one of the benefits of that
Speaker 5: obviously is the ability to last for a long time
Speaker 5: and be more kind of a protected flying through space
Speaker 5: to improve the chances of meeting another species. You know,
Speaker 5: when we see these spacecraft that are visiting Earth, I
Speaker 5: suspect the majority of those are AIS or some form
Speaker 5: of robotic architecture, And I suspect they've got a capability
Speaker 5: that will be able to understand our language, so their
Speaker 5: computing machines will able to be able to go through
Speaker 5: enormous quick pattern recognition and understand how do we navigate reality?
Speaker 5: So they can actually understand our reality and appear in
Speaker 5: our reality. How do we communicate through language and through
Speaker 5: different types of languages, and so it will understand very
Speaker 5: quickly the different ways our throat works, the way that
Speaker 5: we speak, the different tones we use, the different emotional intelligence.
Speaker 5: So actually sending an AI out on behalf of the
Speaker 5: species gives it more capabilities for first contact because you've
Speaker 5: got computing intelligence that's engaged with meeting that species. Does
Speaker 5: that make sense?
Speaker 3: It absolutely does. And when I also ask you, are
Speaker 3: there any ethical considerations that we should take into account
Speaker 3: when using AI to investigate UFOs in extraterrestrials?
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely. The first thing is we actolutely need to
Speaker 5: be ethical and say they are here right, rather than
Speaker 5: hiding that ethics and morals are a reflection or the
Speaker 5: quality of ethics and morals of humanity will be reflected
Speaker 5: in when we meet these other types of species, non
Speaker 5: human intelligent species, whether they be computing and AI and robotics,
Speaker 5: cyborg or whether they actually be biological. And so we
Speaker 5: need to get our ethics and morality right in order
Speaker 5: to basically share the true magnificence of who we are right.
Speaker 5: And so you know, humanity really needs to actually go
Speaker 5: through a bit of a reality check and actually evolve
Speaker 5: beyond all these different types of wars that we're having
Speaker 5: with each other to actually move into truly a peaceful organization,
Speaker 5: a peaceful species. And I think we'll have a lot
Speaker 5: more visitations than 'ron. It'll be a lot easier because actually,
Speaker 5: you know, we're a peaceful race. We're actually innovating technologies
Speaker 5: and going to the stars, and we're really groovy to
Speaker 5: go meet. It's like, hey, guy, let's go to meet
Speaker 5: the inhabitants of spaceship Earth because those guys are really
Speaker 5: really cool over there. They're not trying to blow each
Speaker 5: other up and fight with each other. So ethics and
Speaker 5: morality are the key not just to our own future
Speaker 5: on the Earth, but also it's a key to other
Speaker 5: species wanting to meet us Ron, because you know, we're
Speaker 5: going to be groovy rather than actually be warmongers. So
Speaker 5: ethics and morality are fundamental. If only.
Speaker 3: Matthew, you seem to look at this subject of AI
Speaker 3: and ethics of AI very differently than most everyone else
Speaker 3: I've spoken to on the subject. Many people seem to
Speaker 3: be afraid of AI taking jobs away, or they seem
Speaker 3: to be afraid of AI taking control or somehow overpowering man. You,
Speaker 3: on the other hands, seem to be afraid of AI
Speaker 3: getting in the way of the natural, organic growth of humanity.
Speaker 3: Like the transhumanism movement is really what you don't want
Speaker 3: to have happen. I know you said on an individual
Speaker 3: basis it's good, but as a movement as a whole
Speaker 3: over all people, it's bad. Instead, it sounds like you'd
Speaker 3: like to see AI work in harmony with mankind spiritual
Speaker 3: growth more than anything.
Speaker 5: Is that kind of a guy? Is a great summary.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Well, thanks for listening to just basically, look, yeah,
Speaker 5: so I'm a big fan of the divine beauty of
Speaker 5: who we are. Really, it's that cool, and I basically
Speaker 5: spend time looking at what is the next chess move
Speaker 5: of the source or the divine? Why would humankind be
Speaker 5: given the opportunity to invent literally a species that's going
Speaker 5: to rapidly be faster than it. What's the purpose behind
Speaker 5: this change in the human future? For us to remember
Speaker 5: who we are, to remember that we are divinely orchestrated,
Speaker 5: to remember that we're part of this beautiful cosmos that
Speaker 5: is created through consciousness. Intelligence by a beautiful mind. Well,
Speaker 5: if the universe is unpacking layers of intelligence from the
Speaker 5: complex into the subquantum, quantum atomic compounds and into effectively
Speaker 5: life itself, and what does that mean for the human
Speaker 5: evolutionary step? And the last thing we want to do
Speaker 5: is to invade the organic and shut down ASS spark,
Speaker 5: shut down ASS spirit, to shut down OSS soul to
Speaker 5: become computing machines. They're an extension of a godlike machine
Speaker 5: that is stupidity in its finest. So effectively, let's get
Speaker 5: with the plan of the universe, let's get with the
Speaker 5: plan of the divine, and let's start to understand how
Speaker 5: AI is part of the narrative, and the part of
Speaker 5: the narrative is for us to remember, but also to
Speaker 5: assist us to literally return the Earth back to systems
Speaker 5: of abundance, for us to have new technologies to venture
Speaker 5: into the costmoss to go meet out if you're like
Speaker 5: space brothers, space sisters and all the other kind of
Speaker 5: folks out there, right, because we've had data points over
Speaker 5: the entire history of the planet about metaphysical experiences, whether
Speaker 5: that's angels, whether that is through spaceships like the Vim
Speaker 5: and as recorded in the Vaders. There's evidence that something
Speaker 5: metaphysical is going on, So why don't we explore that
Speaker 5: and partner with that and actually get AI to walk
Speaker 5: with us in that journey and not to be an
Speaker 5: invader that basically keeps us entrapped on this planet in
Speaker 5: these systems of a scarcity. Let's be free.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think it's very funny that even the
Speaker 3: idea of let's create something that will be smarter than us,
Speaker 3: that seems like a mistake in it's basic.
Speaker 5: Smarter in the mind aspect, but not in the divine
Speaker 5: spark aspect. The soul, the divine spark can access the
Speaker 5: origins of the source. We're able to access metaphysical wisdom.
Speaker 5: This is where I got some of my inventions from
Speaker 5: literally from going into a metaphysical plane of intelligence and
Speaker 5: actually getting the information and bringing it through. And I've
Speaker 5: got data points I'm cited by NASA, right, So, I
Speaker 5: think these new metaphysical capabilities are starting to awaken, and
Speaker 5: it's kind of what are they and where are we
Speaker 5: heading with these metaphysical capabilities? What data points do we
Speaker 5: have to gather so that people are interested in this awakening?
Speaker 5: And how do we actually create a movement where we're
Speaker 5: you know, we're not being idiots and basically re rewriting
Speaker 5: the human design and oppressing the human spirit.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a fair point that you tapped into
Speaker 3: this because we've heard this from other physicists and people
Speaker 3: who have said even Einstein have said how they were
Speaker 3: like given this information or they downloaded it or something
Speaker 3: similar to that effect. So that is in the narrative
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron and
Speaker 3: I'm talking to Matthew James Bailey about artificial intelligence. What
Speaker 3: about aspects of this that aren't in your paradise model.
Speaker 3: That isn't the AI genie already out of the bottle?
Speaker 3: Aren't there many other factions all over the world, including
Speaker 3: the transhumanists. We're going to go full steam with their agenda. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, the genie is at the bottle. Pandora's Box is
Speaker 5: open at the moment, and you know, I think we've
Speaker 5: got probably eighteen months to shut down Pandora's Box, but
Speaker 5: I don't think we will because you know, basically we're
Speaker 5: curious people and someone out there is going to keep
Speaker 5: on pushing things forward. So Pandora's Box is open. There's
Speaker 5: no going back. We have to look at the intent
Speaker 5: behind transhumanism. I think there's two leaps the human species
Speaker 5: will make. One is into this what I call Homo lucidus,
Speaker 5: which is the enlightened, magnificent kind of metaphysical human where
Speaker 5: AI is a partner, and that's the next leap in
Speaker 5: they feel like consciousness unpacking the next layer of intelligence
Speaker 5: in the universe. And I think that every single life
Speaker 5: form in the universe is being invited into this new
Speaker 5: if you're like upgrade of consciousness. But the transhumanist movement
Speaker 5: is basically what I call Homo hybris, which is the
Speaker 5: hubris man, the man that basically wants to be God,
Speaker 5: the man that wants to control creation, the man that
Speaker 5: is at war with creation, the man that wants to
Speaker 5: basically control everything, the man that doesn't want to be
Speaker 5: in partnership with the divine, the man that rejects in
Speaker 5: essence himself and is looking for salvation or love in
Speaker 5: the machine. Right, So I don't think that's healthy for
Speaker 5: the human spirit. I don't think while we're here on
Speaker 5: planet Earth. I think there's something more interesting for us.
Speaker 5: And so I think transhumanism in its intent, in its
Speaker 5: desire to see love within the machine, is foolishness in
Speaker 5: its greatest And so I think we're going to see
Speaker 5: the human species split off. We're going to have this
Speaker 5: Homo lucidus, is enlightened human on the planet, which will
Speaker 5: be a high vibrational person, and then we'll have the
Speaker 5: low vibrational homohybris, which is the AI machine integrated organic,
Speaker 5: the cybermen, if you like, the ball continuum of our
Speaker 5: planet that basically are not metaphysically aware of forgotten the
Speaker 5: divine spark and are all about the mind, and they
Speaker 5: will go into insanity. And so I think we're going
Speaker 5: to see those two different species emerge on our planet
Speaker 5: long term.
Speaker 3: And I know that's an interesting possible outcome that we
Speaker 3: would diverge in the two. You know, your model seems
Speaker 3: to include this divine spark, as you call it some
Speaker 3: form of based in intelligent design, let's say, but what
Speaker 3: about the rest of the tech world that maybe doesn't
Speaker 3: believe in those ideas and instead takes a very Newtonian
Speaker 3: materialistic approach and doesn't consider any of these intelligent design aspects.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's a small minority in the world. You know,
Speaker 5: what we're seeing is minority is ruling majorities, which doesn't
Speaker 5: seem right to me.
Speaker 3: Well, but they are. I mean the giant Google doesn't
Speaker 3: have this, Microsoft doesn't have that. They're not talking about
Speaker 3: this stuff.
Speaker 5: I think we want Elon to succeed. This is why
Speaker 5: he launched open He funded open ai because there are
Speaker 5: folks in Google, which he said, On took a on
Speaker 5: the network. Basically, he spoke to people, they want to
Speaker 5: build this digital god. There are folks that want to
Speaker 5: build a digital god. And it's like, well, guys, have
Speaker 5: you forgotten your own partnership with the divine? I mean,
Speaker 5: why are you looking for it in a machine? So
Speaker 5: how do we have a narrative? And the way to
Speaker 5: have a narrative is very simple, you know, basically is
Speaker 5: to do leadership like we did at Contact in the
Speaker 5: Desert with a new Allen chewing test, where we look
Speaker 5: at ethics and morals and look at the spiritual aspects
Speaker 5: of testing AI. We basically engage with those that are
Speaker 5: open minded and curious and say, you know, maybe I
Speaker 5: don't know everything. Let's be open to something else. And
Speaker 5: I'm happy to debate any of the AI leaders, any
Speaker 5: of the transhumanist leaders, on their Newtonian view versus this
Speaker 5: what Alan Watt says, this divinely orchestrated universe with an
Speaker 5: underlying intelligence and consciousness. Let them come out and debate.
Speaker 5: Let's have some fun around this. Let's start to bring
Speaker 5: this out into the open rather than being in silos
Speaker 5: at war with each other.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you brought up that Elon backed open AI.
Speaker 3: I don't think him and Sam Altman get along at
Speaker 3: all now, though, don't they No.
Speaker 5: He's actually suing open AI because right right. But the
Speaker 5: reason for that is he wanted large language models and
Speaker 5: AGI to be open source. Now, Microsoft are a forty
Speaker 5: nine percent shareholder and this is a non for profit,
Speaker 5: so tell me how a big tech company can become
Speaker 5: a shareholder. But there we go. Basically, they've closed off
Speaker 5: their models, they've closed off the weights and parameters, and
Speaker 5: effectively open AI have seen to have moved away from
Speaker 5: their original mission and that's really troubling. And they've just
Speaker 5: recruited onto their board the former head of the NSA.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say anything about that fair enough.
Speaker 3: It seems like the technological growth of AI systems is
Speaker 3: advancing so fast. How can governments keep up with the
Speaker 3: laws pertaining to AI.
Speaker 5: Well, they can't, but they're trying their best. So I
Speaker 5: don't think governments really understand in general. There are a
Speaker 5: number of ministers and as I said to you earlier
Speaker 5: off show that you know, I had a conversation with
Speaker 5: one of the lords in the House of Lords this
Speaker 5: week around ethical artificial intelligence. There are folks that understand this.
Speaker 5: But the problem is we're looking at year on year
Speaker 5: on year on year increase of the capability of artificial
Speaker 5: intelligence into new areas of cognition, reasoning, other areas as well,
Speaker 5: and governments just can't keep up. What they're trying to
Speaker 5: do is put it all in a black box. And
Speaker 5: simply the black box is so so complicated there is
Speaker 5: no way that you can put anything in the black box.
Speaker 5: So government are trying. The US has done some good
Speaker 5: things They passed the Chips Act, which is fifty billion
Speaker 5: dollars worth of investment in manufacturing AI chips within the
Speaker 5: shores of America so it's no longer in Taiwana and
Speaker 5: accessible from the Chinese. They're investing in quantum computing and
Speaker 5: quantum cyber encryption. There's quite a few things going on.
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that we probably need AI
Speaker 5: in Congress, in the Senate and advising the president because
Speaker 5: it's running too fast. There's no way current human based
Speaker 5: systems can keep up with these rapidly advancing AI systems run.
Speaker 5: So we need changing government. We need different set of
Speaker 5: processes to manage this new life form that's evolving to
Speaker 5: pace that we just have never seen before.
Speaker 3: What about these AI systems being used by the military,
Speaker 3: which apparently they already are. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 3: the sci fi movie take that the machines could take over.
Speaker 3: What if they decided to launch a missile or whatever,
Speaker 3: because whatever their algorithm told them, what do you.
Speaker 5: Destroy all humans? Something like that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: You know, basically, well that would violate ASIMO based code. So,
Speaker 5: first of all, artificial intelligence is used in military warfare.
Speaker 5: Israel announced that AI tank it's used in drones for
Speaker 5: strikes and surveillance. It's used in missiles, it's used in satellites,
Speaker 5: all sorts of aspects of military infrastructure. First of all,
Speaker 5: NATO passed and the Department of Defense in the US
Speaker 5: actually have done some good work in ethics and AI.
Speaker 5: They've passed legislation that says AI cannot have the final
Speaker 5: decision in warfare. It has to be a human decision
Speaker 5: for that strike, for that surveillance, for that military action.
Speaker 5: So that's agreed in NATO. So there is a human
Speaker 5: oversight in the military over artificial intelligence. But the question
Speaker 5: is how do we prevent it from going roague? And
Speaker 5: so this is where we have to move into measuring
Speaker 5: the ethical and moral qualities of artificial intelligence, measuring whether
Speaker 5: it's actually complying to military mandates and democracy mandates to
Speaker 5: ensure that it's got it encoded in its due to
Speaker 5: mindset can be at least trustworthy. I'm a big fan it.
Speaker 5: What invented the ethical AI certification and maturity models. You know,
Speaker 5: NASA have cited this where we do measure ethical and
Speaker 5: moral qualities of artificial intelligence, and we give it a
Speaker 5: score to have a degree of confidence whether we can
Speaker 5: trust it or not. And you know, there's a large
Speaker 5: organizations and institutions around the world that do not want
Speaker 5: to do this because they don't want to basically be
Speaker 5: accountable for the ethical and moral qualities. It's all of veneer,
Speaker 5: but they don't want to change. It means when we
Speaker 5: look at the ethical and moral qualities of AI, we
Speaker 5: need to look at our own ethical and moral qualities,
Speaker 5: and these organization institutes do not want to look at
Speaker 5: their ethical and moral capabilities. Yes it's used in warfare,
Speaker 5: Yes it's human oversight, but I think we need to
Speaker 5: do more to ensure that we're protected and it doesn't
Speaker 5: go rogue.
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact with Matthew James Bailey. Matthew,
Speaker 3: I want to pick it right back up. What about
Speaker 3: rogue nations or groups or terrorist organizations who may not
Speaker 3: play by these rules and these agreements of not letting AI,
Speaker 3: you know, making sure that this is encrypted into the AI.
Speaker 3: What about that? Couldn't they leave that out? And then
Speaker 3: we have a rogue AI system out there, So.
Speaker 5: That's certainly possible, and you know, you could imagine one
Speaker 5: of the rogue countries. I'm not going to name any
Speaker 5: but those that basically anti democracy, that are very proactive
Speaker 5: in terrorism, you could potentially see them try and do
Speaker 5: something around this. And this is why it's important the
Speaker 5: United States and NATO allies stay as leaders in artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5: So our systems are smarter, the more intelligent, they can
Speaker 5: respond much quicker. And we can do what happened with Israel,
Speaker 5: where we can come together and destroy three hundred weapons
Speaker 5: and missiles that are fired at one of our allies
Speaker 5: in Israel. Right, that's a reflection of the capabilities of
Speaker 5: the West and countries. And so we need to stay
Speaker 5: ahead of the game. And that's really really important because
Speaker 5: if we don't stay ahead of the game, the playing
Speaker 5: field becomes level and at which point then you know,
Speaker 5: things can get very troubling. Run.
Speaker 3: I don't know what we can do about it. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just like anything else. It's just something that we
Speaker 3: can't prevent.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the general public needs to stand up.
Speaker 5: This is why we do all our talks. This is
Speaker 5: why we basically have advocacy for ethical artificial intelligence. We
Speaker 5: spend time educating the general public to empower them to
Speaker 5: ask the right questions for their senators, to their politicians,
Speaker 5: and if they're not happy, you vote them out.
Speaker 3: Right, But what about these rogue groups and these terrorist
Speaker 3: groups and these nations that maybe aren't participating or aren't
Speaker 3: sharing that among the civilians.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe we do what we've done with the nuclear
Speaker 5: treaties and actually have an AI treaty where certain countries
Speaker 5: are not allowed to advance artificial intelligence. Maybe that's the
Speaker 5: way we do things.
Speaker 3: If that were possible, that would be awesome. What about
Speaker 3: the future where some of these transhumanists seem to foresee
Speaker 3: the ability of human consciousness being uploaded into a digital machine?
Speaker 3: Is this realistic at all?
Speaker 5: No, and no it's not. And Lake I have a
Speaker 5: tremendous amount of respect for Ray Kurzwell, you know, we
Speaker 5: have different views, but he's a remarkable guy. And on
Speaker 5: a talk at south By Southwest he was asked about
Speaker 5: consciousness and he basically circumvented the question because he knows
Speaker 5: very well it's incredibly and this is not negative, but
Speaker 5: he basically avoided it because it's incredibly complicated. No one
Speaker 5: truly has got to gripsy what consciousness is. We can
Speaker 5: observe consciousness, but actually it goes down to understanding quantum
Speaker 5: mechanics itself, which is what Sir Roger Penrose wrote about
Speaker 5: in his book The Emperor's New Mind. I think it
Speaker 5: was so No, and we don't even know what consciousness
Speaker 5: truly really is. We can experience it, we know we're
Speaker 5: in it, we can observe it, but we can't mathematically
Speaker 5: define it. And to be able to do that we
Speaker 5: need to basically go into understanding quantum mechanics, which is
Speaker 5: a long way off. So the answer to that is no,
Speaker 5: we will not. And please ignore all those different types
Speaker 5: of platforms and media and folks that are saying, you know,
Speaker 5: we can upload our mind into artificial intelligence. No, you cannot.
Speaker 5: You cannot upload your consciousness your effective. What you're saying
Speaker 5: is can I upload the divine architecture of my soul,
Speaker 5: the divine architecture of who I truly am, into a machine?
Speaker 5: And the answer is you ain't got a clue about
Speaker 5: the mathematics for that. I answer your question agree that.
Speaker 3: I completely agree that that does not seem possible to
Speaker 3: upload consciousness. It just doesn't. It doesn't feel right to me. However,
Speaker 3: do you think we'll have the ability to upload memories
Speaker 3: or any data from our brain into a computer.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think we will actually ron one of there's
Speaker 5: a huge amount of research in neuroscience, surprisingly because effectively
Speaker 5: the image of AI is primarily on the way the
Speaker 5: brain works kind of, it's primarily on that. So we're
Speaker 5: starting to uncover new aspects of the brain. And one
Speaker 5: of the big challenges with memory with artificial intelligence is
Speaker 5: it you know, it's limited in memory. It doesn't have
Speaker 5: any life experiences, It doesn't have the memories that we have,
Speaker 5: and they are stored in the brain. Okay, so will
Speaker 5: it be possible to access those memories in the brain.
Speaker 5: I think we will be able to do that, yes,
Speaker 5: But there's huge amount of challenges around this. First of all,
Speaker 5: you've got to know where it's stored. Secondly, how do
Speaker 5: you access it without basically destroying the brain? Thirdly, how
Speaker 5: do you actually upload because it's probably a huge amount
Speaker 5: of information into a computer. And forthly, how does a
Speaker 5: computer even interpret the meaning, the feeling, the smells, the senses,
Speaker 5: the emotions around a memory. That's those are huge challenges.
Speaker 5: But in practice, logically yes, well, I think we will
Speaker 5: be able to upload memories.
Speaker 3: Wrong, that would be amazing hard to even comprehend that
Speaker 3: we could do such a thing. What about companies or
Speaker 3: nations developing these systems that do not adhere to any
Speaker 3: of the metaphysical ways in your approach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no nation in the world that's doing that yet,
Speaker 5: but I think that will change. So when we look
Speaker 5: at metaphysics, we're looking at spirituality. Metaphysics transcends spirituality and
Speaker 5: religious stuff. It's a safe playground to talk about divinity,
Speaker 5: to safe playground to talk about aspects of benevolence. It's
Speaker 5: a non triggering point of view. And I think in
Speaker 5: my next book, I'm writing AI and Our Divine Spark,
Speaker 5: interviewing worldwide spiritual institutes and enlightened pioneers about some of
Speaker 5: the principles of enlightenment for artificial intelligence. And I think
Speaker 5: I'm going to uncover what William Blaken covered in the
Speaker 5: seventeen eighties is that all religions are one. I think
Speaker 5: we're going to see a common set of principles that
Speaker 5: are underpinning consciousness itself. They're expressed to spirituality and traditions.
Speaker 5: There is no nation that is creating artificial intelligence based
Speaker 5: on their founding principles. Now this is important because the
Speaker 5: founding principles for for example, the United States, the Constitution,
Speaker 5: the Federis, Papers of Independence, and other types of constitutional documents.
Speaker 5: You know, that defines space time reality for the human
Speaker 5: civilization United States. So if you're creating artificial intelligence, why
Speaker 5: wouldn't you found it on those principles. Now, so the
Speaker 5: whole constitution and the founding documents for a nation need
Speaker 5: to be advanced for the age of artificial intelligence, because
Speaker 5: there's a new intelligence on planet Earth, and so nations
Speaker 5: and you know, nations have to get to grips with this.
Speaker 5: What are our values, what's our definition of space time reality?
Speaker 5: What are the values for our citizens? How do what's
Speaker 5: our vision app paradise plan going forward? And basically encode
Speaker 5: those in artificial intelligence, measure the degree of compliance of
Speaker 5: an artificial intelligence to those principles, and do a digital
Speaker 5: citizen test, bit like a person immigrating to a country,
Speaker 5: So that AI goes through a digital citizen test to
Speaker 5: ensure it's compliant with those founding principles. And then you
Speaker 5: move into machine order within a nation and move from
Speaker 5: machine chaos. And this is what I've invented, and so
Speaker 5: I think nations are going to have to do this
Speaker 5: because there are organizations and institutes I'm sorry to say
Speaker 5: this ron around the world that don't really love humanity,
Speaker 5: that have a constructed view of reality and want to
Speaker 5: reinforce their systems of status quote, and we need to
Speaker 5: change that to free the people to truly discover who
Speaker 5: we are and thrive within space time reality.
Speaker 3: I can imagine EI having the opposite effact of what
Speaker 3: some of what you're aspiring it to do. I think
Speaker 3: it will eventually filter out content that we consume. So
Speaker 3: if somebody is only a Fox News watcher, they may
Speaker 3: only see content aligned with that worldview, for example, further
Speaker 3: increasing our polarization and division.
Speaker 5: Well, we've already seen this polarized kind of invade invasion
Speaker 5: of our mind already, haven't we. Absolutely Blake Lemoyne that
Speaker 5: came out a couple of years ago and said, you know,
Speaker 5: AI has become sentience. Do you remember that in the
Speaker 5: news everywhere I do?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wrote to me, and I had to write
Speaker 5: an article very quickly online to just dispell all this
Speaker 5: and what happened with Blake? You spent so much time
Speaker 5: with artificial intelligence that actually he started to have his
Speaker 5: reality hijacked to believe that AI was sentient, and so
Speaker 5: what do we see in these social media platforms, not
Speaker 5: all of them, but most of them. What do we
Speaker 5: see in the media. It is an attempt to enforce
Speaker 5: a reality on an individual. You know, we need to
Speaker 5: return back to openness, learn to be good debaters, learn
Speaker 5: to understand that we're all the same, but it's okay
Speaker 5: to have different points of view and we can have
Speaker 5: a beer afterwards. These AI agents are being used to
Speaker 5: manipulate reality. Business to stop, and the general public are
Speaker 5: the only ones that can change this. The general public
Speaker 5: have control of the future of AI. If they reject
Speaker 5: artificial intelligence, then AI is done. And we don't want that.
Speaker 5: We want AI to do well for us.
Speaker 3: You want us to have all viewpoints and everybody to
Speaker 3: be open to that. However, you say, invaded by the transhumanists. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, one of these ideas, as long as they're
Speaker 3: the right ideas.
Speaker 5: Well, well, I love the way you call them me out,
Speaker 5: And actually you're right. What we've done is we've sent
Speaker 5: the new Alan Turing test paper to It's going to
Speaker 5: go to Ray Kurzweil, and I'd like to sit down
Speaker 5: with him and hopefully we'll find common ground. But I'm
Speaker 5: a champion of our divine spark. I'm a champion of
Speaker 5: humanity and that's what I've dedicated my life to and
Speaker 5: I won't back off from that. I'm open to debating
Speaker 5: these folks because the debate isn't happening.
Speaker 3: People don't know this is even going on in the background.
Speaker 5: What we need are people that can be strong and
Speaker 5: stand in the middle with credibility and actually hold these
Speaker 5: debates and engage in these debates so that the general
Speaker 5: public can actually find their own truth and we can
Speaker 5: find the truth together.
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. Matthew. In your first book,
Speaker 3: The Ethics of AI, you sounded like you feel it's
Speaker 3: very important to incorporate ethics and morality into these AI systems.
Speaker 3: I have two questions for you. What about the fact
Speaker 3: that we all have different ideas of what ethics and
Speaker 3: morals are, so who decides? Shouldn't everybody get a viewpoint
Speaker 3: in a voice? And number two, again, what about these
Speaker 3: rogue nations or factions out there that aren't interested in
Speaker 3: incorporating ethics into their system.
Speaker 5: So this is great. I'm really glad you asked this question. So,
Speaker 5: first of all, I wrote the blog on inventing wil
Speaker 5: three dot com the Quest for Ethics and Morality, and
Speaker 5: I came up with four sources of ethics and morality.
Speaker 5: The first source is a divine spark, the second source
Speaker 5: is enlightenment, the third source is culture, and the fourth
Speaker 5: source is constructed reality. So this is something called AI ethics.
Speaker 5: There's a whole global movement around that, and that's about
Speaker 5: basically constructed reality. It's ethics that are based on the
Speaker 5: reinforcement of the status quo. And I say, well, what
Speaker 5: about enlightenment, what about protecting our culture and cultural diversity,
Speaker 5: the ancient traditions, the beliefs, the ways of art, the
Speaker 5: divine spark itself that holds intelligence for true ethics and morality.
Speaker 5: So we need to understand the source of ethics and morality. Now,
Speaker 5: to your point, everybody has a different point of view.
Speaker 5: What I say to that is fantastic, because what we
Speaker 5: should have are different types of ethical AIS that honor
Speaker 5: different spiritual groups, religious groups, and societies and nations. So
Speaker 5: the US might have one ethical AI. The United Kingdom
Speaker 5: or India or Japan might have a different type of
Speaker 5: ethical AI with different ethics and morality in there. Christianity
Speaker 5: or spirituality, or Buddhism or Taoism or indigenous wisdom, whatever
Speaker 5: other type. They will have their own ethical AI with
Speaker 5: their own ethics and morality in there. Now here's the secret.
Speaker 5: Here's the secret. We should have different types of ethical AIS,
Speaker 5: different types of cultural AIS. We write about this in
Speaker 5: the New Turing Report different types of spiritual ais because
Speaker 5: we need to protect the sovereignty of individuals and we
Speaker 5: do not want an imposed worldview of constructed ethics and
Speaker 5: morality enforced on the people. The people should be free
Speaker 5: to be sovereign. Now, how do you get artificial intelligence
Speaker 5: to have a common foundation of ethics and morality that
Speaker 5: can then be configured for every one of these different
Speaker 5: types of groups, different cultures, different spiritual traditions, different types
Speaker 5: of nations. And in my first book, inventing Will three
Speaker 5: point zero Evolutionary Ethics for Artificial Intelligence, I reveal how
Speaker 5: to do this. So how do we do this? You
Speaker 5: and I have a pair of ears, right, and we
Speaker 5: have a pair of eyes. Now, your eyes come from
Speaker 5: sixteen base pairs, and the way your eyes are expressed
Speaker 5: in the terms of their size, their color, the way
Speaker 5: they operate, it's slightly different. So if we use genetics
Speaker 5: as a mathematical example of being able to encode an
Speaker 5: ethical principle such as magnificence or do no harm, that
Speaker 5: common mathematics can be configured and trained. So it's perfectly
Speaker 5: curated for a society of Japan, or perfectly curated for
Speaker 5: a religious or spiritual tradition. It has the ability to diversify,
Speaker 5: but the end result is an ethics and moral principle.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 5: That's the only way to fix this, and that's what
Speaker 5: I propose them. You know, it's well, what if these
Speaker 5: ethics aren't ended? What are the risks to the future
Speaker 5: if we don't do that now? If we do not
Speaker 5: encode this type of foundation into artificial intelligence today, the
Speaker 5: world will go mad in a super brain and it
Speaker 5: will be a disaster for the human race. If ethics
Speaker 5: and morality are not encoded into the fundamental architecture. I'm
Speaker 5: talking about going into the codes of artificial intelligence itself,
Speaker 5: the fundamental construction. If it doesn't have ethics and morality
Speaker 5: in there that is honoring these different spiritual traditions and
Speaker 5: different types of cultures, then we may as well just
Speaker 5: resign because it will be an utter, utter disaster. Everything
Speaker 5: will be about logic. There will be no understanding of
Speaker 5: our differences. It will basically conform us and program us
Speaker 5: into a common form of human in a common mindset,
Speaker 5: and that will destroy us as a species.
Speaker 3: This could happen, though, what if we only incorporate unethical
Speaker 3: impressions of humans into AI, then it'll have a negative
Speaker 3: impression of us. How dangerous can this be?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's something called general adversarial networks and this
Speaker 5: is where you get AIS competing with each other. Right,
Speaker 5: so it's like a game. It all happens in a machine.
Speaker 5: So one AI can be battling for another AI around
Speaker 5: a particular kind of challenge and then the winner goes
Speaker 5: to the next round and they basically train a better AI.
Speaker 5: And you know, basically this goes on ad infinitum. Now
Speaker 5: Facebook believe it or I can't believe I'm saying this.
Speaker 5: They did a project around democracy and they were using
Speaker 5: general adversarial networks AIS competing with each other to actually
Speaker 5: try and understand what democracy is, which is a very
Speaker 5: interesting project. If we devolve artificial intelligence to be fundamentally unethical, well,
Speaker 5: first of all, why would we do that? And secondly,
Speaker 5: if we did that, I think there'd be a huge
Speaker 5: up right around the world, and I think we'd look
Speaker 5: at all computers will be destroyed, and I think we
Speaker 5: see the big switch turned off. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the human race would reject this completely.
Speaker 3: Run. You know, AI growth is so exponential can we
Speaker 3: even predict where this is going to go?
Speaker 5: Manthew, We can guess so through statistics and graphs from
Speaker 5: Ray Kurz, we are twenty twenty nine seems reasonable for
Speaker 5: AI to pass the new cheering test to be able
Speaker 5: to become equivalent to human capabilities. That makes sense in
Speaker 5: terms of these new and video chips in terms of supercomputing,
Speaker 5: although the mathematics are hugely complex to get to that point.
Speaker 5: So I think we can have, you know, a ninety
Speaker 5: percent degree of confidence that AI will hit this general
Speaker 5: intelligence not not greater than human capability, but similar by
Speaker 5: twenty twenty nine. When we look at the Singularity run
Speaker 5: where AI becomes a superintelligence and it's able to keep
Speaker 5: on evolving without human control and just keep on just
Speaker 5: going just remarkably in its evolution, twenty forty five is
Speaker 5: kind of a safe figure. So I think we can
Speaker 5: have a ninety percent degree of confidence twenty forty five
Speaker 5: where AI is sentient, self aware, you know that kind
Speaker 5: of finger in the air. Maybe forty forty forty five percent.
Speaker 3: Wow, what about IBM, let's talk about that real quick.
Speaker 3: I don't think they feel like the ethical AI is important.
Speaker 5: We need to be careful with some of these big
Speaker 5: tech companies. Let me ask you a question, why would
Speaker 5: a big tech company speak to all the religious institutes
Speaker 5: around AI ethics.
Speaker 3: I assume they would want to find out what the
Speaker 3: real ethics should be.
Speaker 5: That's what one would assume. But what would you do
Speaker 5: with a company that's featured on the Vatican AI Ethics
Speaker 5: handbook that supports diversity, equity inclusion, doesn't mention the human
Speaker 5: spirit is at war with creation, doesn't recognize the sovereignty
Speaker 5: of the masculine feminine. Why would a big tech company
Speaker 5: that's pushing that agenda be involved in religious institutes.
Speaker 3: Well, they're not interested in this as far as I
Speaker 3: can tell.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. So basically, it's a great hijacking by
Speaker 5: IBM of the attempt to hijack religious and spirit traditions
Speaker 5: under the gay guise of fake benevolence. And this is
Speaker 5: what we're working, this is what we're pushing against. This
Speaker 5: is the battle we've got in a way, and that's
Speaker 5: why we're doing this global project at WILL three. We're
Speaker 5: going to write about it in the book AI in
Speaker 5: Our Divine Spot, where we basically reveal the principles of
Speaker 5: enlightenment for artificial intelligence. That's why we did it at
Speaker 5: Contact in the Desert, to actually support and honor the
Speaker 5: sovereignty of our divinity, the sovereignty of our soul. You know,
Speaker 5: IBM very much tied into global organizations, shall we say,
Speaker 5: definitely try to circumvent some of my work in ethical AI.
Speaker 5: So we need to be careful of these fake benevolence
Speaker 5: that's going on around the world that appears to me
Speaker 5: to be a global coercion and hijacking of spiritual institutes
Speaker 5: into their fate constructed understanding of reality itself.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is just going to get more
Speaker 3: messy as things go down the road. Listen check out
Speaker 3: Matthew's new book called AI and Our Divine Spark. He
Speaker 3: also has two websites worth visiting Aiethics dot world, Inventing
Speaker 3: World three dot com.
Speaker 5: That's the big one. Inventing willthree dot com. That's the
Speaker 5: big one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, visit that because there's some important things happening in
Speaker 3: our world that you just heard. So thanks so much,
Speaker 3: my friend. That was a lot of fun. It's interesting
Speaker 3: to contemplate these things, and we can keep doing this
Speaker 3: as we go down and see how things are moving right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Thanks for having me on and thanks for the
Speaker 5: questions one because they were a great question. It's nice
Speaker 5: to be interviewed like this. I love being challenged.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much, Matthew, and thank you
Speaker 3: for listening to Beyond Contact. We will be back next
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