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Speaker 3: Talk with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I

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Speaker 3: am Captain Royan, and we are back for part two

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Speaker 3: of our discussion with Matthew James Bailey. All right, Matthew,

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Speaker 3: how do you think our AI systems could help detect

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Speaker 3: or even decode an alien message if we don't know

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Speaker 3: or understand how aliens even communicate?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question, Ron, And one of the

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Speaker 5: great things about artificial intelligence is brilliant at pattern recognition,

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Speaker 5: and it's brilliant at number crunching. That's a remarkable speed, right.

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Speaker 5: So when we've got the SETI program and they're tuning

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Speaker 5: then AI will number crunch it and see whether there's

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Speaker 5: a pattern in there. So in the SETI program, we're

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Speaker 5: already using artificial intelligence that messages from the beyond the

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Speaker 5: Cosmos and also things like the James Web Telescope. While

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Speaker 5: that's not looking at signal specifically, it's detecting images that

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Speaker 5: allow us to uncover more about the universe, more about

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Speaker 5: exoplanets and other planets that might hold life. And therefore

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Speaker 5: AI is being used everywhere in space exploration to discover

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Speaker 5: the next spaces we're going to meet.

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Speaker 3: So exciting. Hey, you know, we already discussed the probability

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Speaker 3: that an alien civilization would most likely send out some

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Speaker 3: So I was thinking the other day that we are

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Speaker 5: I think that's brilliant. So, first of all, would a

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Speaker 3: It absolutely does. And when I also ask you, are

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely. The first thing is we actolutely need to

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Speaker 3: Matthew, you seem to look at this subject of AI

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Speaker 3: Like the transhumanism movement is really what you don't want

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Speaker 3: like to see AI work in harmony with mankind spiritual

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Speaker 5: Is that kind of a guy? Is a great summary.

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Speaker 5: AI is part of the narrative, and the part of

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Speaker 5: Smarter in the mind aspect, but not in the divine

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Speaker 5: And how do we actually create a movement where we're

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a fair point that you tapped into

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron and

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to Matthew James Bailey about artificial intelligence. What

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Speaker 3: about aspects of this that aren't in your paradise model.

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Speaker 3: That isn't the AI genie already out of the bottle?

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Speaker 3: Aren't there many other factions all over the world, including

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Speaker 3: the transhumanists. We're going to go full steam with their agenda. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, the genie is at the bottle. Pandora's Box is

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Speaker 3: I want to pick it right back up. What about

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Speaker 5: in his book The Emperor's New Mind. I think it

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Speaker 5: was so No, and we don't even know what consciousness

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Speaker 5: truly really is. We can experience it, we know we're

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Speaker 5: in it, we can observe it, but we can't mathematically

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Speaker 5: define it. And to be able to do that we

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Speaker 5: need to basically go into understanding quantum mechanics, which is

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Speaker 5: a long way off. So the answer to that is no,

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Speaker 5: we will not. And please ignore all those different types

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Speaker 5: of platforms and media and folks that are saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: we can upload our mind into artificial intelligence. No, you cannot.

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Speaker 5: You cannot upload your consciousness your effective. What you're saying

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Speaker 5: is can I upload the divine architecture of my soul,

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Speaker 5: the divine architecture of who I truly am, into a machine?

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Speaker 5: And the answer is you ain't got a clue about

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Speaker 5: the mathematics for that. I answer your question agree that.

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Speaker 3: I completely agree that that does not seem possible to

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Speaker 3: upload consciousness. It just doesn't. It doesn't feel right to me. However,

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Speaker 3: do you think we'll have the ability to upload memories

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Speaker 3: or any data from our brain into a computer.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think we will actually ron one of there's

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Speaker 5: a huge amount of research in neuroscience, surprisingly because effectively

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Speaker 5: the image of AI is primarily on the way the

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Speaker 5: brain works kind of, it's primarily on that. So we're

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Speaker 5: starting to uncover new aspects of the brain. And one

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Speaker 5: of the big challenges with memory with artificial intelligence is

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Speaker 5: it you know, it's limited in memory. It doesn't have

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Speaker 5: any life experiences, It doesn't have the memories that we have,

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Speaker 5: and they are stored in the brain. Okay, so will

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Speaker 5: it be possible to access those memories in the brain.

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Speaker 5: I think we will be able to do that, yes,

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Speaker 5: But there's huge amount of challenges around this. First of all,

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Speaker 5: you've got to know where it's stored. Secondly, how do

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Speaker 5: you access it without basically destroying the brain? Thirdly, how

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Speaker 5: do you actually upload because it's probably a huge amount

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Speaker 5: of information into a computer. And forthly, how does a

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Speaker 5: computer even interpret the meaning, the feeling, the smells, the senses,

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Speaker 5: the emotions around a memory. That's those are huge challenges.

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Speaker 5: But in practice, logically yes, well, I think we will

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Speaker 5: be able to upload memories.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, that would be amazing hard to even comprehend that

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Speaker 3: we could do such a thing. What about companies or

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Speaker 3: nations developing these systems that do not adhere to any

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Speaker 3: of the metaphysical ways in your approach.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no nation in the world that's doing that yet,

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Speaker 5: but I think that will change. So when we look

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Speaker 5: at metaphysics, we're looking at spirituality. Metaphysics transcends spirituality and

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Speaker 5: religious stuff. It's a safe playground to talk about divinity,

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Speaker 5: to safe playground to talk about aspects of benevolence. It's

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Speaker 5: a non triggering point of view. And I think in

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Speaker 5: my next book, I'm writing AI and Our Divine Spark,

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Speaker 5: interviewing worldwide spiritual institutes and enlightened pioneers about some of

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Speaker 5: the principles of enlightenment for artificial intelligence. And I think

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Speaker 5: I'm going to uncover what William Blaken covered in the

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Speaker 5: seventeen eighties is that all religions are one. I think

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Speaker 5: we're going to see a common set of principles that

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Speaker 5: are underpinning consciousness itself. They're expressed to spirituality and traditions.

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Speaker 5: There is no nation that is creating artificial intelligence based

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Speaker 5: on their founding principles. Now this is important because the

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Speaker 5: founding principles for for example, the United States, the Constitution,

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Speaker 5: the Federis, Papers of Independence, and other types of constitutional documents.

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Speaker 5: You know, that defines space time reality for the human

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Speaker 5: civilization United States. So if you're creating artificial intelligence, why

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Speaker 5: wouldn't you found it on those principles. Now, so the

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Speaker 5: whole constitution and the founding documents for a nation need

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Speaker 5: to be advanced for the age of artificial intelligence, because

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Speaker 5: there's a new intelligence on planet Earth, and so nations

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Speaker 5: and you know, nations have to get to grips with this.

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Speaker 5: What are our values, what's our definition of space time reality?

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Speaker 5: What are the values for our citizens? How do what's

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Speaker 5: our vision app paradise plan going forward? And basically encode

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Speaker 5: those in artificial intelligence, measure the degree of compliance of

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Speaker 5: an artificial intelligence to those principles, and do a digital

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Speaker 5: citizen test, bit like a person immigrating to a country,

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Speaker 5: So that AI goes through a digital citizen test to

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Speaker 5: ensure it's compliant with those founding principles. And then you

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Speaker 5: move into machine order within a nation and move from

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Speaker 5: machine chaos. And this is what I've invented, and so

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Speaker 5: I think nations are going to have to do this

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Speaker 5: because there are organizations and institutes I'm sorry to say

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Speaker 5: this ron around the world that don't really love humanity,

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Speaker 5: that have a constructed view of reality and want to

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Speaker 5: reinforce their systems of status quote, and we need to

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Speaker 5: change that to free the people to truly discover who

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Speaker 5: we are and thrive within space time reality.

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Speaker 3: I can imagine EI having the opposite effact of what

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Speaker 3: some of what you're aspiring it to do. I think

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Speaker 3: it will eventually filter out content that we consume. So

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Speaker 3: if somebody is only a Fox News watcher, they may

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Speaker 3: only see content aligned with that worldview, for example, further

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Speaker 3: increasing our polarization and division.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've already seen this polarized kind of invade invasion

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Speaker 5: of our mind already, haven't we. Absolutely Blake Lemoyne that

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Speaker 5: came out a couple of years ago and said, you know,

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Speaker 5: AI has become sentience. Do you remember that in the

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Speaker 5: news everywhere I do?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he wrote to me, and I had to write

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Speaker 5: an article very quickly online to just dispell all this

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Speaker 5: and what happened with Blake? You spent so much time

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Speaker 5: with artificial intelligence that actually he started to have his

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Speaker 5: reality hijacked to believe that AI was sentient, and so

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Speaker 5: what do we see in these social media platforms, not

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Speaker 5: all of them, but most of them. What do we

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Speaker 5: see in the media. It is an attempt to enforce

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Speaker 5: a reality on an individual. You know, we need to

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Speaker 5: return back to openness, learn to be good debaters, learn

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Speaker 5: to understand that we're all the same, but it's okay

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Speaker 5: to have different points of view and we can have

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Speaker 5: a beer afterwards. These AI agents are being used to

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Speaker 5: manipulate reality. Business to stop, and the general public are

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Speaker 5: the only ones that can change this. The general public

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Speaker 5: have control of the future of AI. If they reject

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Speaker 5: artificial intelligence, then AI is done. And we don't want that.

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Speaker 5: We want AI to do well for us.

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Speaker 3: You want us to have all viewpoints and everybody to

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Speaker 3: be open to that. However, you say, invaded by the transhumanists. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: that's right, one of these ideas, as long as they're

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Speaker 3: the right ideas.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I love the way you call them me out,

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Speaker 5: And actually you're right. What we've done is we've sent

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Speaker 5: the new Alan Turing test paper to It's going to

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Speaker 5: go to Ray Kurzweil, and I'd like to sit down

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Speaker 5: with him and hopefully we'll find common ground. But I'm

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Speaker 5: a champion of our divine spark. I'm a champion of

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Speaker 5: humanity and that's what I've dedicated my life to and

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Speaker 5: I won't back off from that. I'm open to debating

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Speaker 5: these folks because the debate isn't happening.

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Speaker 3: People don't know this is even going on in the background.

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Speaker 5: What we need are people that can be strong and

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Speaker 5: stand in the middle with credibility and actually hold these

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Speaker 5: debates and engage in these debates so that the general

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Speaker 5: public can actually find their own truth and we can

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Speaker 5: find the truth together.

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Speaker 3: Agree, and I hope that they can find a common

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. Matthew. In your first book,

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Speaker 3: The Ethics of AI, you sounded like you feel it's

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Speaker 3: very important to incorporate ethics and morality into these AI systems.

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Speaker 3: I have two questions for you. What about the fact

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Speaker 3: that we all have different ideas of what ethics and

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Speaker 3: morals are, so who decides? Shouldn't everybody get a viewpoint

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Speaker 3: in a voice? And number two, again, what about these

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Speaker 3: rogue nations or factions out there that aren't interested in

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Speaker 3: incorporating ethics into their system.

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Speaker 5: So this is great. I'm really glad you asked this question. So,

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Speaker 5: first of all, I wrote the blog on inventing wil

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Speaker 5: three dot com the Quest for Ethics and Morality, and

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Speaker 5: I came up with four sources of ethics and morality.

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Speaker 5: The first source is a divine spark, the second source

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Speaker 5: is enlightenment, the third source is culture, and the fourth

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Speaker 5: source is constructed reality. So this is something called AI ethics.

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Speaker 5: There's a whole global movement around that, and that's about

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Speaker 5: basically constructed reality. It's ethics that are based on the

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Speaker 5: reinforcement of the status quo. And I say, well, what

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Speaker 5: about enlightenment, what about protecting our culture and cultural diversity,

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Speaker 5: the ancient traditions, the beliefs, the ways of art, the

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Speaker 5: divine spark itself that holds intelligence for true ethics and morality.

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Speaker 5: So we need to understand the source of ethics and morality. Now,

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Speaker 5: to your point, everybody has a different point of view.

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Speaker 5: What I say to that is fantastic, because what we

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Speaker 5: should have are different types of ethical AIS that honor

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Speaker 5: different spiritual groups, religious groups, and societies and nations. So

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Speaker 5: the US might have one ethical AI. The United Kingdom

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Speaker 5: or India or Japan might have a different type of

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Speaker 5: ethical AI with different ethics and morality in there. Christianity

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Speaker 5: or spirituality, or Buddhism or Taoism or indigenous wisdom, whatever

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Speaker 5: other type. They will have their own ethical AI with

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Speaker 5: their own ethics and morality in there. Now here's the secret.

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Speaker 5: Here's the secret. We should have different types of ethical AIS,

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Speaker 5: different types of cultural AIS. We write about this in

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Speaker 5: the New Turing Report different types of spiritual ais because

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Speaker 5: we need to protect the sovereignty of individuals and we

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Speaker 5: do not want an imposed worldview of constructed ethics and

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Speaker 5: morality enforced on the people. The people should be free

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Speaker 5: to be sovereign. Now, how do you get artificial intelligence

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Speaker 5: to have a common foundation of ethics and morality that

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Speaker 5: can then be configured for every one of these different

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Speaker 5: types of groups, different cultures, different spiritual traditions, different types

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Speaker 5: of nations. And in my first book, inventing Will three

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Speaker 5: point zero Evolutionary Ethics for Artificial Intelligence, I reveal how

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Speaker 5: to do this. So how do we do this? You

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Speaker 5: and I have a pair of ears, right, and we

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Speaker 5: have a pair of eyes. Now, your eyes come from

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Speaker 5: sixteen base pairs, and the way your eyes are expressed

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Speaker 5: in the terms of their size, their color, the way

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Speaker 5: they operate, it's slightly different. So if we use genetics

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Speaker 5: as a mathematical example of being able to encode an

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Speaker 5: ethical principle such as magnificence or do no harm, that

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Speaker 5: common mathematics can be configured and trained. So it's perfectly

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Speaker 5: curated for a society of Japan, or perfectly curated for

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Speaker 5: a religious or spiritual tradition. It has the ability to diversify,

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Speaker 5: but the end result is an ethics and moral principle.

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 5: That's the only way to fix this, and that's what

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Speaker 5: I propose them. You know, it's well, what if these

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Speaker 5: ethics aren't ended? What are the risks to the future

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Speaker 5: if we don't do that now? If we do not

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Speaker 5: encode this type of foundation into artificial intelligence today, the

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Speaker 5: world will go mad in a super brain and it

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Speaker 5: will be a disaster for the human race. If ethics

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Speaker 5: and morality are not encoded into the fundamental architecture. I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about going into the codes of artificial intelligence itself,

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Speaker 5: the fundamental construction. If it doesn't have ethics and morality

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Speaker 5: in there that is honoring these different spiritual traditions and

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Speaker 5: different types of cultures, then we may as well just

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Speaker 5: resign because it will be an utter, utter disaster. Everything

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Speaker 5: will be about logic. There will be no understanding of

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Speaker 5: our differences. It will basically conform us and program us

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Speaker 5: into a common form of human in a common mindset,

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Speaker 5: and that will destroy us as a species.

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Speaker 3: This could happen, though, what if we only incorporate unethical

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Speaker 3: impressions of humans into AI, then it'll have a negative

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Speaker 3: impression of us. How dangerous can this be?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's something called general adversarial networks and this

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Speaker 5: is where you get AIS competing with each other. Right,

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Speaker 5: so it's like a game. It all happens in a machine.

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Speaker 5: So one AI can be battling for another AI around

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Speaker 5: a particular kind of challenge and then the winner goes

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Speaker 5: to the next round and they basically train a better AI.

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Speaker 5: And you know, basically this goes on ad infinitum. Now

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Speaker 5: Facebook believe it or I can't believe I'm saying this.

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Speaker 5: They did a project around democracy and they were using

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Speaker 5: general adversarial networks AIS competing with each other to actually

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Speaker 5: try and understand what democracy is, which is a very

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Speaker 5: interesting project. If we devolve artificial intelligence to be fundamentally unethical, well,

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Speaker 5: first of all, why would we do that? And secondly,

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Speaker 5: if we did that, I think there'd be a huge

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Speaker 5: up right around the world, and I think we'd look

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Speaker 5: at all computers will be destroyed, and I think we

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Speaker 5: see the big switch turned off. I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: the human race would reject this completely.

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Speaker 3: Run. You know, AI growth is so exponential can we

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Speaker 3: even predict where this is going to go?

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Speaker 5: Manthew, We can guess so through statistics and graphs from

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Speaker 5: Ray Kurz, we are twenty twenty nine seems reasonable for

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Speaker 5: AI to pass the new cheering test to be able

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Speaker 5: to become equivalent to human capabilities. That makes sense in

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Speaker 5: terms of these new and video chips in terms of supercomputing,

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Speaker 5: although the mathematics are hugely complex to get to that point.

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Speaker 5: So I think we can have, you know, a ninety

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Speaker 5: percent degree of confidence that AI will hit this general

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Speaker 5: intelligence not not greater than human capability, but similar by

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty nine. When we look at the Singularity run

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Speaker 5: where AI becomes a superintelligence and it's able to keep

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Speaker 5: on evolving without human control and just keep on just

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Speaker 5: going just remarkably in its evolution, twenty forty five is

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Speaker 5: kind of a safe figure. So I think we can

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Speaker 5: have a ninety percent degree of confidence twenty forty five

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Speaker 5: where AI is sentient, self aware, you know that kind

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Speaker 5: of finger in the air. Maybe forty forty forty five percent.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what about IBM, let's talk about that real quick.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they feel like the ethical AI is important.

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Speaker 5: We need to be careful with some of these big

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Speaker 5: tech companies. Let me ask you a question, why would

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Speaker 5: a big tech company speak to all the religious institutes

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Speaker 5: around AI ethics.

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Speaker 3: I assume they would want to find out what the

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Speaker 3: real ethics should be.

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Speaker 5: That's what one would assume. But what would you do

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Speaker 5: with a company that's featured on the Vatican AI Ethics

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Speaker 5: handbook that supports diversity, equity inclusion, doesn't mention the human

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Speaker 5: spirit is at war with creation, doesn't recognize the sovereignty

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Speaker 5: of the masculine feminine. Why would a big tech company

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Speaker 5: that's pushing that agenda be involved in religious institutes.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're not interested in this as far as I

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Speaker 3: can tell.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. So basically, it's a great hijacking by

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Speaker 5: IBM of the attempt to hijack religious and spirit traditions

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Speaker 5: under the gay guise of fake benevolence. And this is

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Speaker 5: what we're working, this is what we're pushing against. This

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Speaker 5: is the battle we've got in a way, and that's

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Speaker 5: why we're doing this global project at WILL three. We're

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Speaker 5: going to write about it in the book AI in

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Speaker 5: Our Divine Spot, where we basically reveal the principles of

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Speaker 5: enlightenment for artificial intelligence. That's why we did it at

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Speaker 5: Contact in the Desert, to actually support and honor the

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Speaker 5: sovereignty of our divinity, the sovereignty of our soul. You know,

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Speaker 5: IBM very much tied into global organizations, shall we say,

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Speaker 5: definitely try to circumvent some of my work in ethical AI.

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Speaker 5: So we need to be careful of these fake benevolence

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Speaker 5: that's going on around the world that appears to me

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Speaker 5: to be a global coercion and hijacking of spiritual institutes

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Speaker 5: into their fate constructed understanding of reality itself.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is just going to get more

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Speaker 3: messy as things go down the road. Listen check out

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Speaker 3: Matthew's new book called AI and Our Divine Spark. He

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Speaker 3: also has two websites worth visiting Aiethics dot world, Inventing

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Speaker 3: World three dot com.

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Speaker 5: That's the big one. Inventing willthree dot com. That's the

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Speaker 5: big one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, visit that because there's some important things happening in

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Speaker 3: our world that you just heard. So thanks so much,

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Speaker 3: my friend. That was a lot of fun. It's interesting

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Speaker 3: to contemplate these things, and we can keep doing this

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Speaker 3: as we go down and see how things are moving right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Thanks for having me on and thanks for the

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Speaker 5: questions one because they were a great question. It's nice

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Speaker 5: to be interviewed like this. I love being challenged.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much, Matthew, and thank you

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