1 00:00:15,076 --> 00:00:25,676 Speaker 1: Pushkin, This is solvable. I'm Ronald Young Jr. I'm San Fragoso, 2 00:00:26,196 --> 00:00:29,436 Speaker 1: host of Talk Easy with San Fragoso. What if we 3 00:00:29,516 --> 00:00:34,436 Speaker 1: called our parents more, our friends, had better, more fullhearted conversations, 4 00:00:34,836 --> 00:00:37,036 Speaker 1: the kinds we always say we don't have time for 5 00:00:37,876 --> 00:00:43,756 Speaker 1: or just too busy to have listeners. Tis the season 6 00:00:43,796 --> 00:00:47,196 Speaker 1: for problem solving. I mean, that's solvable. We're always steeped 7 00:00:47,196 --> 00:00:49,076 Speaker 1: in it. But this is the time of year that 8 00:00:49,156 --> 00:00:51,356 Speaker 1: the rest of America takes a few extra minutes to 9 00:00:51,396 --> 00:00:55,236 Speaker 1: look carefully at their lives, then set goals, carve out resolutions, 10 00:00:55,636 --> 00:01:00,036 Speaker 1: make fresh intentions for a better life. Hi. I'm Tim Hoffitt. 11 00:01:00,156 --> 00:01:04,116 Speaker 1: I'm the host of Cautionary Tales. The problem I'd like 12 00:01:04,196 --> 00:01:11,356 Speaker 1: to see solved is creating more beautiful, lie walkable neighborhoods. 13 00:01:12,476 --> 00:01:14,756 Speaker 1: If we could solve this problem, that would be good 14 00:01:14,796 --> 00:01:17,236 Speaker 1: from mental health, it'd be good for the economy, good 15 00:01:17,236 --> 00:01:21,756 Speaker 1: for jobs, good for the planet. There's so many ways 16 00:01:21,836 --> 00:01:24,196 Speaker 1: in which this is a problem worth solving, and it 17 00:01:24,356 --> 00:01:27,396 Speaker 1: seems like it shouldn't be such a hard problem. We 18 00:01:27,556 --> 00:01:30,596 Speaker 1: think some problems really should not be too hard to solve. 19 00:01:31,036 --> 00:01:33,276 Speaker 1: And I usually bring someone with the wealth of knowledge 20 00:01:33,316 --> 00:01:35,796 Speaker 1: and a roadmap to tell us how. But we have 21 00:01:35,836 --> 00:01:38,276 Speaker 1: a special episode today, a chance to peer behind the 22 00:01:38,316 --> 00:01:40,876 Speaker 1: curtain with the team that makes Solvable possible. Each week, 23 00:01:41,316 --> 00:01:43,356 Speaker 1: I've invited my colleagues to sit down and talk about 24 00:01:43,356 --> 00:01:45,836 Speaker 1: the things we'd like to see solved. We'll also hear 25 00:01:45,916 --> 00:01:49,316 Speaker 1: from some other pushkin podcast hosts about problems they'd like 26 00:01:49,356 --> 00:01:52,676 Speaker 1: to see solved. And as you're listening, if you think 27 00:01:52,716 --> 00:01:55,636 Speaker 1: of something you'd like us to solve, tweet us at 28 00:01:55,676 --> 00:02:05,916 Speaker 1: Pushkin Pods using the hashtag solvable. Here we go, Hello, team, 29 00:02:06,076 --> 00:02:09,116 Speaker 1: Why don't we go around the table and introduce ourselves 30 00:02:09,236 --> 00:02:12,076 Speaker 1: so that everyone knows what voice matches to what role. 31 00:02:12,356 --> 00:02:15,796 Speaker 1: I'm Sasha, I am the managing producer of Solvaball, and 32 00:02:15,876 --> 00:02:19,636 Speaker 1: I'm coming at you hot from Brooklyn, New York. I'm Joscelyn, 33 00:02:19,876 --> 00:02:23,636 Speaker 1: senior producer of Solva Ball, and I'm joining this chat 34 00:02:23,676 --> 00:02:26,636 Speaker 1: from Minneapolis. I'm David. I do research for the show, 35 00:02:27,516 --> 00:02:31,236 Speaker 1: and I'm at my parents' house in Connecticut for the holiday. 36 00:02:31,556 --> 00:02:34,396 Speaker 1: Look at us. I guess I didn't say I'm in Alexandria, Virginia, 37 00:02:34,476 --> 00:02:36,756 Speaker 1: but here we all are, and I'm so glad that 38 00:02:36,796 --> 00:02:39,156 Speaker 1: you guys get to join me on Mike Today. Welcome, 39 00:02:41,156 --> 00:02:43,876 Speaker 1: happy to me here. All right, So I assembled you 40 00:02:43,996 --> 00:02:47,756 Speaker 1: all because I wanted to talk a little bit about 41 00:02:48,156 --> 00:02:52,076 Speaker 1: problems that we want to see solved next year. I know, 42 00:02:52,156 --> 00:02:54,156 Speaker 1: we guys, we work on this show and we talked 43 00:02:54,156 --> 00:02:56,276 Speaker 1: to a lot of luminaries, but we don't never really 44 00:02:56,276 --> 00:02:58,596 Speaker 1: get to talk to each other about problems. And I 45 00:02:58,636 --> 00:03:00,676 Speaker 1: don't know about y'all, but do you guys feel like 46 00:03:00,676 --> 00:03:04,036 Speaker 1: you guys think more about problems differently since working on 47 00:03:04,076 --> 00:03:08,036 Speaker 1: the show. For sure, I totally do, Yeah, definitely more optimistically. 48 00:03:08,516 --> 00:03:10,796 Speaker 1: I feel I hear about a problem and I'm like, oh, 49 00:03:10,836 --> 00:03:13,876 Speaker 1: someone's probably going to figure this one out. It's no biggie, 50 00:03:14,236 --> 00:03:16,796 Speaker 1: and then we'll have about the show right right exactly. 51 00:03:17,356 --> 00:03:19,596 Speaker 1: I think it just makes me, like forces me to 52 00:03:19,636 --> 00:03:22,556 Speaker 1: think more specifically, like you have to do something, you know. 53 00:03:23,116 --> 00:03:25,516 Speaker 1: So I like that our researchers bringing it back to 54 00:03:25,556 --> 00:03:27,676 Speaker 1: the ground for us, where like, yeah, it all gets done, 55 00:03:27,676 --> 00:03:29,676 Speaker 1: and he's like, actually have to work hard to find 56 00:03:29,716 --> 00:03:33,196 Speaker 1: the people in a practical way. You guys take it 57 00:03:33,236 --> 00:03:35,636 Speaker 1: for granted, like this takes some effort. So what we 58 00:03:35,636 --> 00:03:37,356 Speaker 1: did was we each of us. I asked you to 59 00:03:37,356 --> 00:03:39,676 Speaker 1: come with a problem that you'd like to see solved 60 00:03:39,676 --> 00:03:42,196 Speaker 1: in the next year or in any time in the future. 61 00:03:42,516 --> 00:03:45,196 Speaker 1: Big or small, doesn't matter. David, Let's start with you. 62 00:03:45,356 --> 00:03:47,596 Speaker 1: What problem would you like to see solved? We talk 63 00:03:47,636 --> 00:03:50,796 Speaker 1: a lot about like serious issues, so I figured i'd 64 00:03:50,876 --> 00:03:54,276 Speaker 1: talk about something with lower stakes. I guess right now, 65 00:03:54,396 --> 00:03:59,436 Speaker 1: there's a global graphics card shortage. Oh wow. It's mainly 66 00:03:59,476 --> 00:04:03,996 Speaker 1: driven by COVID. But like personal computer PC part components 67 00:04:04,516 --> 00:04:06,076 Speaker 1: all around the world are really hard to come by 68 00:04:06,196 --> 00:04:08,876 Speaker 1: right now. And as you guys know, I love video 69 00:04:08,916 --> 00:04:11,276 Speaker 1: game and I play a lot of PC games, and 70 00:04:11,316 --> 00:04:14,556 Speaker 1: I like building computers when I need to know every 71 00:04:14,556 --> 00:04:17,436 Speaker 1: few years. But I've been saving up money for a 72 00:04:17,436 --> 00:04:19,236 Speaker 1: long time and I was really looking forward to my 73 00:04:19,316 --> 00:04:24,196 Speaker 1: next build. But when the pandemic started, it became almost 74 00:04:24,276 --> 00:04:27,756 Speaker 1: impossible to buy graphics cards, which is the most important 75 00:04:27,756 --> 00:04:31,716 Speaker 1: part of your computer if you like gaming, because I mean, 76 00:04:31,716 --> 00:04:34,356 Speaker 1: that's what renders everything, that's what makes everything look beautiful, 77 00:04:34,516 --> 00:04:37,716 Speaker 1: that's where a lot of its visual processing power comes from. 78 00:04:38,276 --> 00:04:40,716 Speaker 1: And there's just a huge global shortage right now, and 79 00:04:40,756 --> 00:04:43,156 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons for that. I mean, it's 80 00:04:43,196 --> 00:04:45,556 Speaker 1: sort of just like a classic supply chain issue. And 81 00:04:45,636 --> 00:04:49,876 Speaker 1: manufacturing issue. But it's also a little more complicated. There 82 00:04:49,876 --> 00:04:52,236 Speaker 1: are a lot of bots that people have made because 83 00:04:52,476 --> 00:04:54,316 Speaker 1: everyone knows that these things are in demand and hard 84 00:04:54,356 --> 00:04:57,836 Speaker 1: to get, so like all these like you know, ingenious 85 00:04:57,876 --> 00:05:01,116 Speaker 1: teenage trolls have like set up these automated bots that 86 00:05:01,556 --> 00:05:04,516 Speaker 1: will buy up all of Nvidia's cards in like seconds 87 00:05:04,516 --> 00:05:07,756 Speaker 1: and nobody can get them. And then there's this whole 88 00:05:07,836 --> 00:05:11,636 Speaker 1: push during the pandemic of crypto mining, So a lot 89 00:05:11,636 --> 00:05:14,276 Speaker 1: of people have been mining bitcoin during the pandemic, and 90 00:05:14,316 --> 00:05:17,436 Speaker 1: that's when that's where graphics cars are super useful. And 91 00:05:17,476 --> 00:05:19,316 Speaker 1: so those people, I think are botting as well to 92 00:05:19,356 --> 00:05:22,036 Speaker 1: buy everything. And so if you're just like a normal dude, 93 00:05:22,116 --> 00:05:24,956 Speaker 1: like what else am I supposed to do during lockdown? 94 00:05:24,996 --> 00:05:26,796 Speaker 1: Like I need to play my video games, all right, 95 00:05:26,876 --> 00:05:30,036 Speaker 1: So it's hard. It's just hard to buy graphics cars 96 00:05:30,116 --> 00:05:33,796 Speaker 1: right now, and I wish someone would fix that. David, 97 00:05:33,796 --> 00:05:36,956 Speaker 1: are you optimistic that they'll fix the supply chain issues 98 00:05:37,436 --> 00:05:39,276 Speaker 1: or do you think that somebody will come up with 99 00:05:39,316 --> 00:05:42,236 Speaker 1: some other method to replace the video card as we 100 00:05:42,276 --> 00:05:44,076 Speaker 1: know it now? Like, how do you think what direction 101 00:05:44,076 --> 00:05:46,836 Speaker 1: do you think they'll take it to solve it? I 102 00:05:46,836 --> 00:05:49,116 Speaker 1: think in twenty twenty two. I think they've had a 103 00:05:49,156 --> 00:05:52,716 Speaker 1: whole year twenty twenty one to kind of wrap their 104 00:05:52,716 --> 00:05:54,676 Speaker 1: heads around with the logistical problems are. I think in 105 00:05:54,716 --> 00:05:58,556 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two they will fix like the supply chain 106 00:05:58,756 --> 00:06:00,996 Speaker 1: problem that they're having, like they've been. I think a 107 00:06:00,996 --> 00:06:04,316 Speaker 1: lot of companies that make graphics cards are like investing 108 00:06:04,356 --> 00:06:06,556 Speaker 1: in I don't in their plants and ways that make 109 00:06:06,556 --> 00:06:09,956 Speaker 1: it more that they can meet demand. I wish they 110 00:06:09,956 --> 00:06:12,556 Speaker 1: would solve more like the boding problem, and some of 111 00:06:12,596 --> 00:06:15,316 Speaker 1: them haven't tried. Some of them have, you know, in 112 00:06:15,436 --> 00:06:17,956 Speaker 1: video released a new graphics card or whatever, they'll only 113 00:06:17,956 --> 00:06:19,916 Speaker 1: sell it at best Buy in like the brick and 114 00:06:19,956 --> 00:06:22,956 Speaker 1: mortar retail store, and people will like camp out or whatever. 115 00:06:23,436 --> 00:06:26,756 Speaker 1: But that doesn't really work because you can only provide 116 00:06:26,796 --> 00:06:30,156 Speaker 1: like X number of graphics cards. And I don't have 117 00:06:30,196 --> 00:06:32,796 Speaker 1: a tent, so and I'm not going to sleep out 118 00:06:32,836 --> 00:06:35,116 Speaker 1: for a freaking you know, computer card whatever. I'm not 119 00:06:35,156 --> 00:06:37,596 Speaker 1: like one of these crazy bitcoin people, So so I 120 00:06:37,636 --> 00:06:40,476 Speaker 1: don't know, there's there are challenges, like I I'm not 121 00:06:40,716 --> 00:06:44,436 Speaker 1: entirely sure like what their supply chain fixed would look like, 122 00:06:44,916 --> 00:06:46,716 Speaker 1: and I don't even know what the demand is going 123 00:06:46,756 --> 00:06:49,196 Speaker 1: to look like this year, because I wonder if it's 124 00:06:49,236 --> 00:06:52,156 Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna remain that high, if things will change, 125 00:06:52,156 --> 00:06:54,076 Speaker 1: if people are coming out of lockdown and stuff like that. 126 00:06:54,556 --> 00:06:58,076 Speaker 1: I love how much you've thought about that, talking about 127 00:06:58,116 --> 00:07:02,036 Speaker 1: it a little too much. Resale market. Oh yeah, there 128 00:07:02,156 --> 00:07:04,956 Speaker 1: is what I mean, I think they're teenagers. But what 129 00:07:05,076 --> 00:07:08,156 Speaker 1: these like scalpers do, they're scalpers. What they do is 130 00:07:08,636 --> 00:07:11,476 Speaker 1: they they buy up these cards with their bots, you know, 131 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:14,236 Speaker 1: for six hundred dollars, five hundred dollars a piece, real fast, 132 00:07:14,596 --> 00:07:16,196 Speaker 1: and you know, a couple months later they'll selve for 133 00:07:16,196 --> 00:07:19,236 Speaker 1: like twelve hundred or like twenty four hundred, you know, 134 00:07:19,396 --> 00:07:21,956 Speaker 1: like multiple thousand dollars, and they just make, you know, 135 00:07:22,036 --> 00:07:24,916 Speaker 1: make easy money that way. So it's a it's prime 136 00:07:24,956 --> 00:07:27,796 Speaker 1: for scalping. It's like somebody's going to college off of 137 00:07:28,396 --> 00:07:34,196 Speaker 1: video cards video card fund, Yeah, for school, David, that's 138 00:07:34,196 --> 00:07:37,396 Speaker 1: a great problem. I think it's I like that it's 139 00:07:37,436 --> 00:07:40,356 Speaker 1: like it personally affects you, but it actually is something 140 00:07:40,396 --> 00:07:43,236 Speaker 1: that's probably affecting lots of people. And I think the 141 00:07:43,316 --> 00:07:46,556 Speaker 1: bot problem being solved is probably something that would fix 142 00:07:46,596 --> 00:07:49,316 Speaker 1: a lot more than just video cards shortages. I know personally, 143 00:07:49,396 --> 00:07:52,836 Speaker 1: I like Jordan's sneakers and Nike's generally, and there's a 144 00:07:52,836 --> 00:07:56,556 Speaker 1: boding problem with people buying the shoes as soon as 145 00:07:56,596 --> 00:07:59,396 Speaker 1: they come out, like almost like they're they're gone immediately. 146 00:07:59,796 --> 00:08:02,636 Speaker 1: So I would love to see the boding problem solved 147 00:08:02,796 --> 00:08:05,596 Speaker 1: as well. You know. That's things because I was thinking 148 00:08:05,636 --> 00:08:07,836 Speaker 1: maybe we just need some version of like three D 149 00:08:07,956 --> 00:08:11,636 Speaker 1: glasses where if the you know, video card is really weak, 150 00:08:11,676 --> 00:08:14,356 Speaker 1: they just send everyone, you know, a special pair of 151 00:08:14,396 --> 00:08:21,316 Speaker 1: like high Death Beautiful, real cheap and easy just quick 152 00:08:21,796 --> 00:08:24,276 Speaker 1: quick fix for twenty twenty two. But those would get 153 00:08:24,276 --> 00:08:36,076 Speaker 1: botted too, yeah, real low Fi Consolation Prize. We also 154 00:08:36,116 --> 00:08:39,156 Speaker 1: reached out to hosts of our fellow push gim shows 155 00:08:39,236 --> 00:08:42,076 Speaker 1: for their ideas on problems they'd like to see solved 156 00:08:42,316 --> 00:08:44,996 Speaker 1: in whatever frame of time they chose. Here's our first one. 157 00:08:45,796 --> 00:08:48,996 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Lewis, host of Against the Rules, and the 158 00:08:49,116 --> 00:08:51,196 Speaker 1: major problem in the world that I would like to 159 00:08:51,236 --> 00:08:55,796 Speaker 1: see solved is baseball. How do you make it less boring? 160 00:08:56,676 --> 00:09:02,516 Speaker 1: It's got an aging fan base, declining ratings, and the 161 00:09:02,596 --> 00:09:06,756 Speaker 1: games keep getting longer and longer. I have thoughts about 162 00:09:06,756 --> 00:09:10,236 Speaker 1: how to solve it. I mean, you could do it 163 00:09:10,236 --> 00:09:12,316 Speaker 1: in a stroke by say, like putting a lion on 164 00:09:12,356 --> 00:09:15,276 Speaker 1: the field, like not one of those lazy zoo lions, 165 00:09:15,356 --> 00:09:19,396 Speaker 1: but a line from the savannah. It would get interesting instantly. 166 00:09:19,436 --> 00:09:21,996 Speaker 1: Everybody would watch that, and it's very Roman. It would 167 00:09:22,036 --> 00:09:25,796 Speaker 1: be a very Roman solution to the problem. You could 168 00:09:25,796 --> 00:09:30,636 Speaker 1: turn the stadium into a casino where the fans it's 169 00:09:30,676 --> 00:09:33,316 Speaker 1: ideally suited as a game to bet on everything that 170 00:09:33,356 --> 00:09:35,556 Speaker 1: happens because there's so little action and there's so much 171 00:09:35,556 --> 00:09:38,596 Speaker 1: time between the action, So that'd be another way to 172 00:09:38,636 --> 00:09:41,676 Speaker 1: solve it. I don't think that the little things that 173 00:09:41,756 --> 00:09:43,996 Speaker 1: baseball is thinking about doing around the edge is making 174 00:09:43,996 --> 00:09:46,396 Speaker 1: the bases a little bigger so they're easier to steal, 175 00:09:46,476 --> 00:09:48,476 Speaker 1: and moving the picture back and all that stuff. I 176 00:09:48,476 --> 00:09:50,396 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to address the fundamental problem. I 177 00:09:50,396 --> 00:09:52,476 Speaker 1: think that the game is out of step with the 178 00:09:52,516 --> 00:09:56,356 Speaker 1: age we live in, and so figuring out how to 179 00:09:56,476 --> 00:10:00,276 Speaker 1: change it in a way that preserves it but interest 180 00:10:00,356 --> 00:10:03,116 Speaker 1: people is going to be very hard. And if you 181 00:10:03,116 --> 00:10:06,916 Speaker 1: can figure that out, climate change is a breeze. That 182 00:10:07,036 --> 00:10:09,476 Speaker 1: was Michael Lewis, host of Against the Rules Are Sister 183 00:10:09,516 --> 00:10:12,076 Speaker 1: podcast here at Pushkin. What do you guys think is 184 00:10:12,116 --> 00:10:17,476 Speaker 1: baseball too boring. I mean, baseball is definitely boring. I 185 00:10:17,516 --> 00:10:21,276 Speaker 1: don't think it's too boring. The how boring they slid? 186 00:10:21,276 --> 00:10:22,996 Speaker 1: This is what I love about it. It is such 187 00:10:23,036 --> 00:10:27,636 Speaker 1: an intensely psychological sport because there's just so much standing 188 00:10:27,676 --> 00:10:32,316 Speaker 1: around and so much that happens when you know you're 189 00:10:32,356 --> 00:10:35,556 Speaker 1: standing at the base and your opponent is standing right 190 00:10:35,596 --> 00:10:38,076 Speaker 1: next to you and they like joke around but also 191 00:10:38,316 --> 00:10:42,556 Speaker 1: or adversarial. I don't know. I think baseball is just 192 00:10:42,876 --> 00:10:48,036 Speaker 1: boring enough. There's a lot of passive, aggressive chumminess, Oh yeah, 193 00:10:48,076 --> 00:10:49,756 Speaker 1: I feel like in baseball. And then and then there's 194 00:10:49,756 --> 00:10:53,116 Speaker 1: also outright like brawls I guess when like they cleared 195 00:10:53,196 --> 00:10:56,116 Speaker 1: the dugouts or whatever, But that's rare. Being there live 196 00:10:56,316 --> 00:10:58,236 Speaker 1: makes it a lot less boring, But watching it on 197 00:10:58,276 --> 00:11:02,436 Speaker 1: television there's little entertainment value. And then most of the 198 00:11:02,476 --> 00:11:06,396 Speaker 1: fights happen all when there's unwritten rules that are broken, 199 00:11:06,596 --> 00:11:09,716 Speaker 1: and I am not a fan of rule, and baseball 200 00:11:09,796 --> 00:11:15,436 Speaker 1: leans heavily into unwritten rules, which there's a big debate 201 00:11:15,476 --> 00:11:17,556 Speaker 1: about that as well. John, what do you think. I mean, 202 00:11:18,116 --> 00:11:21,036 Speaker 1: I'm with you in terms of like watching it versus 203 00:11:21,236 --> 00:11:23,916 Speaker 1: watching it in person. Versus watching it on TV. I 204 00:11:24,156 --> 00:11:27,196 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever watched a whole baseball game on TV. 205 00:11:28,196 --> 00:11:30,556 Speaker 1: The psychological challenge is not just for the players on 206 00:11:30,596 --> 00:11:33,396 Speaker 1: the field, as for the audience too. We have, like, 207 00:11:33,716 --> 00:11:37,596 Speaker 1: you know, how how much consumerism will we fall prey to, 208 00:11:38,316 --> 00:11:41,756 Speaker 1: how much unnecessary snacking? How many times will we get 209 00:11:41,796 --> 00:11:46,636 Speaker 1: up and stretch? Will we accidentally clap just because something happened, 210 00:11:46,836 --> 00:11:49,436 Speaker 1: not because it's a team we're looking for to win. 211 00:11:50,036 --> 00:11:53,236 Speaker 1: But I actually think I love organized sports. I think 212 00:11:53,236 --> 00:11:55,996 Speaker 1: they're really fun. I love team sports especially. It makes 213 00:11:55,996 --> 00:11:58,636 Speaker 1: me and it makes me think about like how much 214 00:11:58,636 --> 00:12:00,436 Speaker 1: fun I had playing them when I was a kid 215 00:12:00,556 --> 00:12:04,716 Speaker 1: and still when I play them now. And but I 216 00:12:05,396 --> 00:12:07,116 Speaker 1: do think it's boring, and I do think that they 217 00:12:07,116 --> 00:12:09,396 Speaker 1: could probably pick it up, Like doesn't need to be 218 00:12:09,436 --> 00:12:11,716 Speaker 1: that many innings. I think that's the easy fix, Like 219 00:12:11,836 --> 00:12:14,516 Speaker 1: just make it fewer innings like little. I think it 220 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:18,316 Speaker 1: should just it should just make it one inning, one inning, 221 00:12:18,356 --> 00:12:21,116 Speaker 1: That's it. I think the only pushback I have to you, Jocelyn, 222 00:12:21,196 --> 00:12:26,516 Speaker 1: is that unnecessary snacking is an oxymoron all snacking. So 223 00:12:26,676 --> 00:12:28,676 Speaker 1: I don't like the way you put that at all. 224 00:12:28,716 --> 00:12:32,076 Speaker 1: It feels very just that's fair. That's fair. It's funny 225 00:12:32,236 --> 00:12:35,236 Speaker 1: to hear. Michael Lewis, the author of one of my 226 00:12:35,356 --> 00:12:39,356 Speaker 1: favorite books of all time, Moneyball, called Baseball Boring. Yeah, 227 00:12:39,396 --> 00:12:44,396 Speaker 1: Moneyball totally blew my mind. It's incredible. Yeah, Like chess 228 00:12:44,476 --> 00:12:49,756 Speaker 1: is theoretically satisfying, but the action of chess moments moment 229 00:12:50,116 --> 00:12:52,916 Speaker 1: can be very slow. That's why speed chess is awesome, 230 00:12:52,956 --> 00:12:55,076 Speaker 1: and that's why people see that, because it forces you 231 00:12:55,156 --> 00:12:58,236 Speaker 1: to fight. Michael suggests putting a lion in the field. 232 00:12:58,316 --> 00:13:01,756 Speaker 1: So I think I think changing the rules of baseball 233 00:13:01,796 --> 00:13:03,676 Speaker 1: to make it a little more fast paced, maybe a 234 00:13:03,716 --> 00:13:06,916 Speaker 1: little more like score heavy, like basketball or hockey or 235 00:13:06,956 --> 00:13:11,316 Speaker 1: something or such. It on double speed. Yeah, maybe that's 236 00:13:11,396 --> 00:13:14,516 Speaker 1: the that's the answer. I don't know. You need to 237 00:13:14,716 --> 00:13:16,676 Speaker 1: You might need to change the rules. I feel like 238 00:13:16,676 --> 00:13:19,196 Speaker 1: you guys stumbled onto something that about baseball, though, which 239 00:13:19,236 --> 00:13:21,156 Speaker 1: is that like, the more you know about baseball, the 240 00:13:21,196 --> 00:13:24,116 Speaker 1: more interesting it is. It's fun if I know what's happening, 241 00:13:24,116 --> 00:13:26,236 Speaker 1: But when I don't, I'm like, I don't care. So 242 00:13:26,356 --> 00:13:27,916 Speaker 1: I hear the crack of the bat, So I think 243 00:13:27,916 --> 00:13:29,316 Speaker 1: if they can find a way to solve that the 244 00:13:29,396 --> 00:13:41,956 Speaker 1: line on the field, I think would solve that. So Joslyn, 245 00:13:42,236 --> 00:13:44,116 Speaker 1: tell me what problem did you bring to us today. 246 00:13:44,516 --> 00:13:46,276 Speaker 1: I feel like Michael Lewis kind of threw it down 247 00:13:46,356 --> 00:13:48,396 Speaker 1: when he said, like, if we can solve baseball, then 248 00:13:48,396 --> 00:13:52,436 Speaker 1: climate change is easy. Climate change is so huge, And 249 00:13:52,476 --> 00:13:55,476 Speaker 1: we talked about this several different ways on the show, 250 00:13:55,596 --> 00:13:58,556 Speaker 1: like there's ways we can break it down into smaller parts. 251 00:13:58,796 --> 00:14:00,916 Speaker 1: So one of the small parts that I feel like 252 00:14:00,916 --> 00:14:04,516 Speaker 1: I would love to see solved is emissions from planes. 253 00:14:05,036 --> 00:14:08,156 Speaker 1: Why can't planes be electric if we're putting all this 254 00:14:08,276 --> 00:14:11,796 Speaker 1: energy into electric cars, but we know that planes gobble 255 00:14:11,876 --> 00:14:14,596 Speaker 1: up way more fuel than cars, although there are more 256 00:14:14,636 --> 00:14:17,876 Speaker 1: cars on the road and cumulatively cars are more responsible 257 00:14:17,916 --> 00:14:21,516 Speaker 1: for overall co two. I'd still really love to see planes. 258 00:14:22,356 --> 00:14:25,036 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just personal interests because I love flying and 259 00:14:25,196 --> 00:14:27,476 Speaker 1: visiting people and exploring the world and I don't want 260 00:14:27,476 --> 00:14:29,756 Speaker 1: to feel terrible about that all the time. So I 261 00:14:29,796 --> 00:14:33,356 Speaker 1: admit that it's self interest, but it's also global interest. 262 00:14:33,476 --> 00:14:35,916 Speaker 1: I feel like electric planes, I'd love to see that happen. 263 00:14:36,556 --> 00:14:40,476 Speaker 1: I feel hesitant about electric planes because I feel like 264 00:14:40,516 --> 00:14:43,236 Speaker 1: the potential for them to drop out of the sky. 265 00:14:43,316 --> 00:14:45,556 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know why I just in my head, 266 00:14:45,556 --> 00:14:46,916 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what if it runs out. I can't 267 00:14:46,916 --> 00:14:49,236 Speaker 1: even keep my phone charged, so the idea of it 268 00:14:49,236 --> 00:14:51,076 Speaker 1: falling out of the sky bombs me. But I will 269 00:14:51,116 --> 00:14:52,956 Speaker 1: say while you were talking, I was like, well, maybe 270 00:14:52,996 --> 00:14:56,516 Speaker 1: a hybrid plane then that would definitely cut down some emissions, 271 00:14:56,516 --> 00:15:00,276 Speaker 1: like using both electrical elements and fuel elements. Yeah. Yeah, 272 00:15:00,396 --> 00:15:02,756 Speaker 1: or like if things get bad, you could all everyone 273 00:15:02,756 --> 00:15:05,836 Speaker 1: could just plug their own phone into their individual charger 274 00:15:05,876 --> 00:15:11,276 Speaker 1: and give a plane like a little extra boots on 275 00:15:11,436 --> 00:15:16,516 Speaker 1: an electric plane in no uncertain term. I am never 276 00:15:16,636 --> 00:15:20,036 Speaker 1: boarding an electric plane, oh man, or maybe when I'm 277 00:15:20,076 --> 00:15:22,476 Speaker 1: like one hundred years old. But I do see the 278 00:15:22,556 --> 00:15:25,556 Speaker 1: seriousness that you see in the issue. Yeah. I think 279 00:15:25,556 --> 00:15:28,556 Speaker 1: the safety issue is definitely legit, and it's going to 280 00:15:28,596 --> 00:15:32,116 Speaker 1: take some time before that's a norm and people feel 281 00:15:32,116 --> 00:15:34,636 Speaker 1: comfortable doing that. But I think, like Joscelyn, I think 282 00:15:34,636 --> 00:15:37,476 Speaker 1: you touch on something that's like really true and resident 283 00:15:37,516 --> 00:15:40,156 Speaker 1: in that, like people are more willing to like sacrifice 284 00:15:40,156 --> 00:15:42,196 Speaker 1: their car on day to day because it's like, oh, 285 00:15:42,236 --> 00:15:44,236 Speaker 1: that's that's like whatever. I can find ways around that. 286 00:15:44,356 --> 00:15:46,556 Speaker 1: But when it comes to like visiting family or going 287 00:15:46,596 --> 00:15:50,716 Speaker 1: to see something far away or see a wonder you've 288 00:15:50,716 --> 00:15:53,356 Speaker 1: always wanted to see, Like paying for that fuel is 289 00:15:53,396 --> 00:15:56,396 Speaker 1: like almost always worth it psychologically, and it's like people 290 00:15:56,396 --> 00:15:59,596 Speaker 1: are more willing to get on that gas guzzling plane, 291 00:15:59,756 --> 00:16:03,916 Speaker 1: you know, versus like maybe cutting out a couple commute 292 00:16:03,956 --> 00:16:06,516 Speaker 1: trips in their car every week. So I think there 293 00:16:06,516 --> 00:16:08,276 Speaker 1: should be more touch and paid to that. And I 294 00:16:08,316 --> 00:16:10,636 Speaker 1: think you have a good point. Thanks. I mean planes. 295 00:16:10,676 --> 00:16:14,236 Speaker 1: I think it's estimated they're responsible for about three percent 296 00:16:14,356 --> 00:16:17,436 Speaker 1: of the CO two, so you know, we're not fixing 297 00:16:17,516 --> 00:16:21,156 Speaker 1: climate change with this one. But they're more efficient per 298 00:16:21,196 --> 00:16:24,756 Speaker 1: person I think than cars because you can put a 299 00:16:24,836 --> 00:16:28,636 Speaker 1: lot of people on one plane, so we could all 300 00:16:28,876 --> 00:16:33,516 Speaker 1: work from home and then save up our carbon carbon 301 00:16:33,556 --> 00:16:37,556 Speaker 1: credits for seven wonders of the world and our family, 302 00:16:38,036 --> 00:16:42,356 Speaker 1: not in that order. I think carbon credits is I 303 00:16:42,396 --> 00:16:44,596 Speaker 1: think somebody heard that their ears perked up in terms 304 00:16:44,636 --> 00:16:48,316 Speaker 1: of a solution good they're for us building up. So 305 00:16:48,516 --> 00:16:50,476 Speaker 1: let that Let's hear from another one of our pushkin 306 00:16:50,556 --> 00:16:53,516 Speaker 1: hosts about one of the problems they'd like to see solved. Hi. 307 00:16:53,676 --> 00:16:56,196 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Laurie Santos. I'm the host of the Happiness 308 00:16:56,276 --> 00:16:59,116 Speaker 1: Lab podcast, and what I would like to see solved. 309 00:16:59,436 --> 00:17:02,476 Speaker 1: Is behavior change. So many of the big problems that 310 00:17:02,516 --> 00:17:05,396 Speaker 1: face us right now, things like climate change and the 311 00:17:05,476 --> 00:17:09,956 Speaker 1: addiction crisis, and even political polarization, their problem of human behavior. 312 00:17:10,476 --> 00:17:12,396 Speaker 1: This is true for lots of the tiny problems we 313 00:17:12,476 --> 00:17:14,716 Speaker 1: face too, like the fact that it's tricky for me 314 00:17:14,756 --> 00:17:16,556 Speaker 1: to get up and exercise in the morning, or the 315 00:17:16,556 --> 00:17:18,956 Speaker 1: fact that I don't get enough sleep. What we know 316 00:17:19,036 --> 00:17:21,676 Speaker 1: from the social science is that behavior change is hard. 317 00:17:22,076 --> 00:17:24,476 Speaker 1: We need great solutions to figure out how it works. 318 00:17:24,876 --> 00:17:28,356 Speaker 1: And so that's a big problem I'd love to see solved. Sasha, 319 00:17:28,436 --> 00:17:38,596 Speaker 1: do you struggle with changing your behavior? Um? Calling out 320 00:17:32,716 --> 00:17:42,876 Speaker 1: the question, I do and I don't. I'm like very 321 00:17:43,796 --> 00:17:47,636 Speaker 1: structured and formulaic. Once I have a behavior in place, 322 00:17:47,796 --> 00:17:50,916 Speaker 1: pretty sure of habit, but I am open to new habits. Um, 323 00:17:51,156 --> 00:17:53,236 Speaker 1: you got any anything I need to course correct on. 324 00:17:53,356 --> 00:17:56,036 Speaker 1: This is the same space. What if that was a 325 00:17:56,116 --> 00:18:03,276 Speaker 1: leaded for me? Actually it's more I think the challenge 326 00:18:03,316 --> 00:18:06,676 Speaker 1: is more building positive habits, like when I get like 327 00:18:06,996 --> 00:18:10,236 Speaker 1: when it's been a few months since I seriously exercised 328 00:18:10,316 --> 00:18:13,236 Speaker 1: or whatever, and like trying to just just jog a 329 00:18:13,236 --> 00:18:16,916 Speaker 1: little bit every day. That's hard, and I can read 330 00:18:16,916 --> 00:18:19,876 Speaker 1: all like the self help and watch all the motivational 331 00:18:19,956 --> 00:18:22,036 Speaker 1: videos I want, but I feel like, at the end 332 00:18:22,036 --> 00:18:23,996 Speaker 1: of the day, it's just like this, you have to 333 00:18:23,996 --> 00:18:26,716 Speaker 1: flip the switch inside yourself and like go and do it, 334 00:18:26,876 --> 00:18:30,116 Speaker 1: And I think that's really hard. Lauri's talking about like 335 00:18:30,196 --> 00:18:33,396 Speaker 1: fixing human behavior. There's a lot of bad behavior out 336 00:18:33,436 --> 00:18:39,996 Speaker 1: there that I wonder if as external regulators we can 337 00:18:40,076 --> 00:18:43,836 Speaker 1: really fix, and if there are if those people even 338 00:18:43,876 --> 00:18:46,396 Speaker 1: want to fix their own bad behavior. I just wonder 339 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:50,076 Speaker 1: to what extent we can actually modify how people act 340 00:18:50,636 --> 00:18:52,716 Speaker 1: at all. It makes me think of that episode we 341 00:18:52,756 --> 00:18:54,916 Speaker 1: did with pre Compost. Actually I think about that episode 342 00:18:54,916 --> 00:18:58,316 Speaker 1: a lot. She was talking about health at every size 343 00:18:58,396 --> 00:19:02,316 Speaker 1: and the ways that we decide what's good and bad, 344 00:19:02,596 --> 00:19:06,316 Speaker 1: and thinking about how scarcity plays into it. She was 345 00:19:06,356 --> 00:19:09,476 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, foods that we say we can 346 00:19:09,476 --> 00:19:11,316 Speaker 1: only have a little bit, or we can have a 347 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,636 Speaker 1: lot of this, but only a little of that. But 348 00:19:13,676 --> 00:19:16,156 Speaker 1: I think the same thing could go for all sorts 349 00:19:16,196 --> 00:19:18,956 Speaker 1: of behaviors that we qualify as good and bad. Of course, 350 00:19:18,996 --> 00:19:21,516 Speaker 1: there are some that are like clearly bad, you know, 351 00:19:21,596 --> 00:19:25,876 Speaker 1: like murder a little bit, it's not okay, but you 352 00:19:25,916 --> 00:19:29,036 Speaker 1: know how desperately we have to buy a present, and 353 00:19:29,076 --> 00:19:30,996 Speaker 1: then we put all this pressure on ourselves to like 354 00:19:31,116 --> 00:19:33,196 Speaker 1: have a certain job and work a certain lifestyle and 355 00:19:33,236 --> 00:19:35,436 Speaker 1: da da da da, and it becomes this negative cycle. 356 00:19:35,836 --> 00:19:38,676 Speaker 1: Whereas like, if we could frame it as like I'll 357 00:19:38,716 --> 00:19:41,036 Speaker 1: give her a hug and that will be really meaningful, 358 00:19:41,516 --> 00:19:43,876 Speaker 1: then we remove all those other layers of pressure that 359 00:19:43,956 --> 00:19:47,076 Speaker 1: lead us to do something stupid and bad. Quote unquote 360 00:19:47,476 --> 00:19:52,156 Speaker 1: thank you for absolving me of finishing my Christmas shopping, Jocelyn. 361 00:19:52,396 --> 00:19:54,836 Speaker 1: I am going to take your lead on this and 362 00:19:54,876 --> 00:20:00,156 Speaker 1: just give everyone a hug. Sasha, while I have you, 363 00:20:00,276 --> 00:20:02,836 Speaker 1: why don't you tell me what your problem is. My 364 00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:07,556 Speaker 1: problem is everyone's problem. And I think that we are 365 00:20:07,636 --> 00:20:12,836 Speaker 1: behaving badly in America as a democratic nation, and specifically 366 00:20:12,916 --> 00:20:15,916 Speaker 1: the one that touts itself as the most democratic nation. 367 00:20:16,876 --> 00:20:22,556 Speaker 1: I think we're really failing to uphold that promise. So 368 00:20:23,076 --> 00:20:26,316 Speaker 1: what I would like to see is a really concerted 369 00:20:26,396 --> 00:20:30,956 Speaker 1: effort to save voting rights in this country, to really 370 00:20:31,516 --> 00:20:35,596 Speaker 1: re establish us as an actual functional democracy in the 371 00:20:35,636 --> 00:20:39,156 Speaker 1: truest sense of the word. So, I know, like voting 372 00:20:39,196 --> 00:20:43,596 Speaker 1: doesn't solve everything, but it is, you know, one of 373 00:20:43,636 --> 00:20:46,236 Speaker 1: the best tools that we have to at least try 374 00:20:46,276 --> 00:20:48,516 Speaker 1: and solve things. So I would like to see the 375 00:20:48,556 --> 00:20:51,236 Speaker 1: Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights 376 00:20:51,276 --> 00:20:55,916 Speaker 1: Advancement Act past by Congress, who we voted for and 377 00:20:55,956 --> 00:21:00,156 Speaker 1: who in some ways seem to have forgotten that. Yeah, 378 00:21:00,156 --> 00:21:02,316 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think voting is the basic 379 00:21:02,356 --> 00:21:05,316 Speaker 1: building block of democracy, and it seems like people in 380 00:21:05,356 --> 00:21:08,796 Speaker 1: power are really taking steps in order to retain power, 381 00:21:09,156 --> 00:21:12,916 Speaker 1: which erodes the basic building blocks of democracy. And I 382 00:21:12,956 --> 00:21:15,876 Speaker 1: think if we don't fix that, I don't know what 383 00:21:15,996 --> 00:21:18,356 Speaker 1: shape we're going to be in in the years to come, 384 00:21:18,556 --> 00:21:21,316 Speaker 1: because we already see changes that are happening now as 385 00:21:21,356 --> 00:21:24,276 Speaker 1: a result of that erosion of the basic building blocks. 386 00:21:24,756 --> 00:21:27,916 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can all imagine what sort 387 00:21:27,916 --> 00:21:30,156 Speaker 1: of shape we're going to be in. We were very 388 00:21:30,196 --> 00:21:34,916 Speaker 1: close to being in this shape earlier this year, even, 389 00:21:35,076 --> 00:21:40,196 Speaker 1: And I just hope that everyone takes as seriously as 390 00:21:40,236 --> 00:21:43,396 Speaker 1: they need to the threat that we saw this year 391 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:50,156 Speaker 1: around the conversation of stolen elections. And you know, yeah, 392 00:21:50,196 --> 00:21:53,516 Speaker 1: I'm not super confident that this is going to solve 393 00:21:53,556 --> 00:21:57,836 Speaker 1: itself without a concerted effort on behalf of the people 394 00:21:57,876 --> 00:22:00,836 Speaker 1: who believe that we need to fix this. By the 395 00:22:00,876 --> 00:22:05,636 Speaker 1: next election. Now, our next post has something that's I 396 00:22:05,676 --> 00:22:08,476 Speaker 1: would say that is rites adjacent or if not right, 397 00:22:08,516 --> 00:22:11,996 Speaker 1: aligned with rights. So let's hear from him about the 398 00:22:11,996 --> 00:22:15,236 Speaker 1: problem he'd like to see solved. I'm justin Richmond, host 399 00:22:15,276 --> 00:22:18,436 Speaker 1: of Broken Record from Pushing in Industries. I would love 400 00:22:18,436 --> 00:22:21,196 Speaker 1: to see the policing problems solved. And I know this 401 00:22:21,276 --> 00:22:25,756 Speaker 1: is a hard, multifaceted problem with what would probably need 402 00:22:25,756 --> 00:22:29,676 Speaker 1: to be a multi pronged approach to completely fix the 403 00:22:29,836 --> 00:22:33,596 Speaker 1: system as it stands. But I think one of the 404 00:22:33,636 --> 00:22:37,276 Speaker 1: things that really needs to change is police culture. How 405 00:22:37,316 --> 00:22:40,876 Speaker 1: do you change the culture by enriching the hiring pool. 406 00:22:41,396 --> 00:22:43,836 Speaker 1: It should not be an anomaly for say a twenty two, 407 00:22:43,916 --> 00:22:47,836 Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty five year old recent college graduate with 408 00:22:47,876 --> 00:22:50,956 Speaker 1: the liberal arts degree to go into policing, But how 409 00:22:50,996 --> 00:22:54,796 Speaker 1: do you encourage that a federal program where you subsidize 410 00:22:54,836 --> 00:22:57,476 Speaker 1: up to fifty percent of this person's salary so that 411 00:22:57,516 --> 00:22:59,956 Speaker 1: they make fifty percent more than someone starting that position 412 00:22:59,996 --> 00:23:03,196 Speaker 1: would without a college degree. I think an influx of 413 00:23:03,276 --> 00:23:05,796 Speaker 1: this type of person could go a long way towards 414 00:23:05,876 --> 00:23:09,556 Speaker 1: changing police culture. Maybe I love that he has this 415 00:23:09,596 --> 00:23:11,996 Speaker 1: type of proposed solution, Like I love this idea because 416 00:23:12,036 --> 00:23:14,036 Speaker 1: it means that he spent some time thinking about it, 417 00:23:14,276 --> 00:23:17,076 Speaker 1: and I think people's knee jerk reaction is to look 418 00:23:17,116 --> 00:23:19,516 Speaker 1: at something like this and immediately poke the holes in it. 419 00:23:19,756 --> 00:23:22,676 Speaker 1: But the truth is, policing in the state that it's 420 00:23:22,716 --> 00:23:26,676 Speaker 1: in right now in the United States it needs serious reform, 421 00:23:26,956 --> 00:23:29,916 Speaker 1: and these are the types of ideas that we need 422 00:23:29,996 --> 00:23:32,116 Speaker 1: in order to actually make the improvements that we need 423 00:23:32,156 --> 00:23:34,756 Speaker 1: to see. David, what do you think. I think he 424 00:23:34,876 --> 00:23:38,156 Speaker 1: is a really good point about changing the hiring pool 425 00:23:38,276 --> 00:23:42,236 Speaker 1: for American policing. You know, in other countries, particularly in Europe, 426 00:23:42,396 --> 00:23:45,916 Speaker 1: people have to go through a rigorous academic collegiate process 427 00:23:45,956 --> 00:23:50,516 Speaker 1: and get advanced degrees. Yeah, and joining the police force, 428 00:23:50,916 --> 00:23:53,396 Speaker 1: maybe it's thought of as something a little more prestigious 429 00:23:53,396 --> 00:23:55,356 Speaker 1: than it is the way it's thought of in this country. 430 00:23:55,756 --> 00:23:58,716 Speaker 1: But I think the sort of militarization of the way 431 00:23:58,756 --> 00:24:03,796 Speaker 1: we treat our cops and the way we militarily police 432 00:24:03,996 --> 00:24:07,876 Speaker 1: certain people in this country incentivize this sort of lowest 433 00:24:07,916 --> 00:24:11,716 Speaker 1: commons denominator recruiting method that brings in people who are 434 00:24:11,716 --> 00:24:17,116 Speaker 1: willing to tow the military industrial policing line. And that 435 00:24:17,276 --> 00:24:21,156 Speaker 1: is a cultural problem, and that's not going to change unless, ironically, 436 00:24:21,236 --> 00:24:24,076 Speaker 1: unless we start thinking of and treating our cops in 437 00:24:24,076 --> 00:24:28,396 Speaker 1: a different way, maybe less as I don't know dogs 438 00:24:28,396 --> 00:24:31,076 Speaker 1: of the state and more like more like legal workers 439 00:24:31,316 --> 00:24:33,356 Speaker 1: or attorneys or something like that. So I think he 440 00:24:33,436 --> 00:24:36,756 Speaker 1: has a point there. I agree. I have mixed feelings 441 00:24:36,756 --> 00:24:40,636 Speaker 1: about higher education and whether everyone needs to go to 442 00:24:40,636 --> 00:24:43,356 Speaker 1: college to have like a successful career or be seen 443 00:24:43,396 --> 00:24:46,156 Speaker 1: as a success in our culture. So I hesitate a 444 00:24:46,236 --> 00:24:48,996 Speaker 1: little bit to feel, like, you know, policing or any 445 00:24:49,076 --> 00:24:52,076 Speaker 1: job has to require a college degree, which is then 446 00:24:52,116 --> 00:24:56,396 Speaker 1: more expensive. But I do like the idea of varying 447 00:24:56,556 --> 00:24:59,916 Speaker 1: the training and thinking about different ways to think about 448 00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:06,236 Speaker 1: and teach civic engagement civic enforcement, like connection to community, 449 00:25:06,316 --> 00:25:08,996 Speaker 1: what we owe each other, how to manage when people 450 00:25:09,156 --> 00:25:13,076 Speaker 1: are struggling in those systems and acting out because of 451 00:25:13,116 --> 00:25:17,876 Speaker 1: those challenges. So I hesitate on the academic side, but 452 00:25:18,076 --> 00:25:22,196 Speaker 1: I like the reframing side. I got to back David's 453 00:25:22,236 --> 00:25:24,596 Speaker 1: last justin on this would because I feel like we 454 00:25:24,636 --> 00:25:26,756 Speaker 1: would never make that type of argument about doctors or 455 00:25:26,836 --> 00:25:30,156 Speaker 1: lawyers or like dentists or people that like really need 456 00:25:30,196 --> 00:25:33,796 Speaker 1: extensive training in order to enact the duties that they 457 00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,756 Speaker 1: actually do and when you walk into a dent and 458 00:25:35,796 --> 00:25:37,996 Speaker 1: there are bad dentists, bad doctors, and bad lawyers, we 459 00:25:38,076 --> 00:25:40,396 Speaker 1: know that, but we like protect the quality and the 460 00:25:40,436 --> 00:25:44,436 Speaker 1: integrity of those roles by requiring more from them. Academically, 461 00:25:44,716 --> 00:25:47,396 Speaker 1: I think there needs to be an academic requirement and 462 00:25:47,436 --> 00:25:49,956 Speaker 1: an intelligence requirement, and I think there has to be 463 00:25:49,996 --> 00:25:52,596 Speaker 1: a standard and a bar to actually be a cop. 464 00:25:52,636 --> 00:25:54,316 Speaker 1: I think the idea of just wanting to do it, 465 00:25:54,756 --> 00:25:57,236 Speaker 1: or you know, just having the aptitude to be a 466 00:25:57,236 --> 00:26:00,356 Speaker 1: cop is should not be enough to Actually I don't 467 00:26:00,396 --> 00:26:03,516 Speaker 1: think I said you just want to be the cop. Yeah, 468 00:26:04,956 --> 00:26:09,676 Speaker 1: that sounded like I was just like just yeah, yeah, 469 00:26:09,796 --> 00:26:13,476 Speaker 1: I'm going to back to Jocelyn here. Not that I 470 00:26:13,556 --> 00:26:15,516 Speaker 1: wasn't even sure we were taking sides, but if we 471 00:26:15,516 --> 00:26:18,876 Speaker 1: are and taking Joscel inside, you're you're not wrong, Ronald. 472 00:26:18,996 --> 00:26:20,636 Speaker 1: Like if you want to be a doctor, you have 473 00:26:20,676 --> 00:26:22,516 Speaker 1: to go to med school. Like if you want to 474 00:26:22,516 --> 00:26:25,316 Speaker 1: be a cop, you have to go to cops school. 475 00:26:25,436 --> 00:26:27,956 Speaker 1: That's not what they call it, police academy. Like the 476 00:26:28,036 --> 00:26:31,516 Speaker 1: movies like this does exist, and I think for good reason, 477 00:26:31,636 --> 00:26:35,156 Speaker 1: like you said, but I really like what David hit 478 00:26:35,196 --> 00:26:38,516 Speaker 1: on at the end, which is that like reevaluating and 479 00:26:38,596 --> 00:26:42,796 Speaker 1: repositioning the role that cops play in communities will attract 480 00:26:42,836 --> 00:26:45,796 Speaker 1: a different type of applicant. You know, you're you're just 481 00:26:45,876 --> 00:26:49,236 Speaker 1: going to attract a different type of person with different messaging. 482 00:26:49,396 --> 00:26:52,236 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I'm with Jocelyn that it's less 483 00:26:52,276 --> 00:26:56,036 Speaker 1: about you know, what college you go to or what 484 00:26:56,156 --> 00:27:00,916 Speaker 1: degree you have, and just more about what how cops 485 00:27:00,956 --> 00:27:03,636 Speaker 1: exist in America right now. I think I agree with that, 486 00:27:03,676 --> 00:27:05,876 Speaker 1: but I will say, like police academy is like a 487 00:27:06,036 --> 00:27:09,236 Speaker 1: max two to three months, and yeah, you go to 488 00:27:09,276 --> 00:27:11,676 Speaker 1: med school for four years, you go to law school 489 00:27:11,716 --> 00:27:14,596 Speaker 1: for two to three years. That's where I feel like 490 00:27:14,596 --> 00:27:17,756 Speaker 1: it's lacking because in cases of when we're talking about 491 00:27:17,756 --> 00:27:20,356 Speaker 1: collegiate education, because I feel like you could be conflicted 492 00:27:20,636 --> 00:27:24,036 Speaker 1: on education, but I feel like the trade off is 493 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,196 Speaker 1: then to say who do you want to be a 494 00:27:26,196 --> 00:27:29,836 Speaker 1: police officer? And I feel like, for me, at the 495 00:27:29,876 --> 00:27:31,836 Speaker 1: bare minimum, if it is going to be police academy 496 00:27:31,876 --> 00:27:34,436 Speaker 1: that's in a non collegiate setting, I mean I need 497 00:27:34,476 --> 00:27:38,036 Speaker 1: them to have like six months of emotional intelligence training, 498 00:27:38,076 --> 00:27:41,036 Speaker 1: six months of implicit buiance training, like and then before 499 00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:42,676 Speaker 1: they even touch a gun, you got to get this 500 00:27:42,716 --> 00:27:46,556 Speaker 1: certificate and then it's like, now you can touch a gun. Yeah, 501 00:27:46,596 --> 00:27:48,396 Speaker 1: that kind of plays into what I was thinking in 502 00:27:48,516 --> 00:27:51,836 Speaker 1: terms of the education piece, too, is that you don't 503 00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:55,036 Speaker 1: go see a doctor for everything that's bothering you. Sometimes 504 00:27:55,036 --> 00:27:58,556 Speaker 1: you see a PA or a nurse or some other specialists. 505 00:27:58,556 --> 00:28:01,476 Speaker 1: And I think the same should go for police, Like, yeah, 506 00:28:01,516 --> 00:28:05,956 Speaker 1: maybe certain branches of police should have more understanding of 507 00:28:05,956 --> 00:28:09,876 Speaker 1: like the human mind. And maybe they're all called cops, 508 00:28:09,876 --> 00:28:12,996 Speaker 1: but they have different styles of training in different areas 509 00:28:12,996 --> 00:28:16,116 Speaker 1: of expertise, so they're more on the lines of social 510 00:28:16,156 --> 00:28:22,436 Speaker 1: workers and community intervention specialists and non violent communication experts 511 00:28:22,556 --> 00:28:27,356 Speaker 1: and neighborhood watch teams, and that they're all part of 512 00:28:27,356 --> 00:28:30,236 Speaker 1: a public safety team. Like I don't think every cop 513 00:28:30,396 --> 00:28:33,036 Speaker 1: needs to be a surgeon. We need more pas and 514 00:28:33,196 --> 00:28:37,396 Speaker 1: nurses in police care. But I mean PA school is 515 00:28:37,396 --> 00:28:40,356 Speaker 1: two to three years, nursing school is too. Like if 516 00:28:40,356 --> 00:28:42,916 Speaker 1: we're talking about education, there's going to be an educational 517 00:28:42,996 --> 00:28:46,436 Speaker 1: and a multi year educational component to any of any 518 00:28:46,476 --> 00:28:48,396 Speaker 1: of the roles that you just listed. All right, I'll 519 00:28:48,436 --> 00:28:54,436 Speaker 1: get on board with upping everyone's baseline human relational quotient 520 00:28:54,556 --> 00:28:58,156 Speaker 1: or what's that called when people can like emotional intelligence yeah, 521 00:28:58,196 --> 00:28:59,676 Speaker 1: if they come up with some agreement on what the 522 00:28:59,716 --> 00:29:02,196 Speaker 1: baseline is, but they'd certainly need that same two years 523 00:29:02,196 --> 00:29:05,316 Speaker 1: of like you said, HRQ before you could even hold 524 00:29:05,356 --> 00:29:07,676 Speaker 1: a gun step foot out there. Yes, that's right, you 525 00:29:07,716 --> 00:29:12,396 Speaker 1: coined that that acronute. All right, let's let's let's end 526 00:29:12,396 --> 00:29:16,796 Speaker 1: on a lighthearted note. I have a problem that, okay, obviously, yeah, 527 00:29:16,956 --> 00:29:21,436 Speaker 1: have fun with that everyone. I have many problems. The 528 00:29:21,436 --> 00:29:24,676 Speaker 1: problem that I brought to you today is pretty light 529 00:29:24,796 --> 00:29:27,236 Speaker 1: and it's kind of half solved. But I don't think 530 00:29:27,236 --> 00:29:30,076 Speaker 1: it's solved. The death and it really bothers me. We've 531 00:29:30,076 --> 00:29:32,676 Speaker 1: been in pandemic for nearly two years now. You know, 532 00:29:32,716 --> 00:29:35,596 Speaker 1: we've baked remotely, We've done things on zoom. You know, 533 00:29:35,636 --> 00:29:37,876 Speaker 1: we've stood across the room. We've touched the glass on 534 00:29:37,956 --> 00:29:40,036 Speaker 1: either side of the windows to see our loved ones 535 00:29:40,276 --> 00:29:43,356 Speaker 1: drive by birthday parties. We've done all of that with 536 00:29:43,396 --> 00:29:45,356 Speaker 1: all this technology. And maybe this is due to the 537 00:29:45,396 --> 00:29:49,076 Speaker 1: graphic video card shortage. David, I don't understand how we 538 00:29:49,116 --> 00:29:52,396 Speaker 1: have not come up with an effective and stable way, 539 00:29:52,836 --> 00:29:55,756 Speaker 1: universal way for all of us to watch the same 540 00:29:55,796 --> 00:29:59,156 Speaker 1: thing together at the same time. And when I say that, 541 00:29:59,876 --> 00:30:01,716 Speaker 1: I want to sit down on my couch and I 542 00:30:01,756 --> 00:30:04,676 Speaker 1: want to watch a movie with David and my home 543 00:30:04,716 --> 00:30:07,476 Speaker 1: television at the same time he's watching it, with no 544 00:30:07,596 --> 00:30:10,196 Speaker 1: latency speeds, none of that in between. I would be 545 00:30:10,236 --> 00:30:12,316 Speaker 1: able to watch every act at the same time like 546 00:30:12,436 --> 00:30:14,316 Speaker 1: he's in the room with me. Now, I know people 547 00:30:14,356 --> 00:30:15,996 Speaker 1: are gonna tell me a bunch of apps like there's 548 00:30:16,036 --> 00:30:18,516 Speaker 1: watch Party as you could do it on Discord, that 549 00:30:18,556 --> 00:30:20,636 Speaker 1: type of thing. What I'm saying is there's no way 550 00:30:20,676 --> 00:30:22,476 Speaker 1: for me to just turn my TV on and do 551 00:30:22,516 --> 00:30:24,916 Speaker 1: it as simply as I could stream stuff by myself, 552 00:30:25,236 --> 00:30:27,636 Speaker 1: and the options a lot of times are not embedded 553 00:30:27,636 --> 00:30:30,676 Speaker 1: in the actual streaming apps themselves, Like, for instance, if 554 00:30:30,676 --> 00:30:32,796 Speaker 1: you look at something like Disney Plus, they have some 555 00:30:32,836 --> 00:30:34,916 Speaker 1: options for you to watch together, but then you might 556 00:30:34,956 --> 00:30:37,036 Speaker 1: be only able to do it on an iPad, not 557 00:30:37,156 --> 00:30:39,516 Speaker 1: on your television, not on your laptop. I've thought this 558 00:30:39,596 --> 00:30:42,196 Speaker 1: a lot. They have a lot of different varying degrees 559 00:30:42,236 --> 00:30:44,836 Speaker 1: of this, but there's not one universal way for all 560 00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:46,476 Speaker 1: of us to do it unless we just turn on 561 00:30:46,556 --> 00:30:48,956 Speaker 1: cable television. Then we can yell on each other on 562 00:30:48,996 --> 00:30:51,036 Speaker 1: the phone. So clearly there is a way for this 563 00:30:51,076 --> 00:30:54,156 Speaker 1: to exist, but it seems like in the streaming age, 564 00:30:54,276 --> 00:30:56,316 Speaker 1: we have not truly solved a way for us to 565 00:30:56,356 --> 00:30:58,676 Speaker 1: be watching things together. And I thought that by now 566 00:30:58,996 --> 00:31:02,676 Speaker 1: month ump team of the Global Pandemic, that we would 567 00:31:02,676 --> 00:31:04,196 Speaker 1: have figured it out, that I'd be sitting down and 568 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:05,676 Speaker 1: being like, hey, y'all want to watch this movie. Hey, 569 00:31:05,756 --> 00:31:08,676 Speaker 1: let's watch it at this time or whatever, you know, 570 00:31:09,516 --> 00:31:11,676 Speaker 1: And That's what I'd like to see solved. I think 571 00:31:11,716 --> 00:31:14,156 Speaker 1: this is the perfect time to shout out a solvable 572 00:31:14,156 --> 00:31:17,956 Speaker 1: episode that we did called remote Music Collaboration online in 573 00:31:18,036 --> 00:31:23,436 Speaker 1: real time is solvable. All the musicians and ensembles, we're 574 00:31:23,476 --> 00:31:26,756 Speaker 1: feeling that so intensely, and probably most of them continue 575 00:31:26,756 --> 00:31:30,436 Speaker 1: to And like you said, there's these small niche fixes 576 00:31:30,476 --> 00:31:32,796 Speaker 1: that people have figured out. And we actually talked about 577 00:31:32,996 --> 00:31:36,396 Speaker 1: one of those awesome solutions on our show, um before 578 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:39,356 Speaker 1: you were hosts. But so you know, we don't shout 579 00:31:39,356 --> 00:31:45,476 Speaker 1: out shows that. No, I'm just kidding, I don't know. 580 00:31:47,476 --> 00:31:49,756 Speaker 1: It was a really inspiring episode because it made it 581 00:31:49,796 --> 00:31:53,276 Speaker 1: feel like those latency issues could be solved. I will 582 00:31:53,316 --> 00:31:58,036 Speaker 1: say in my friend group, I am the most annoying 583 00:31:58,116 --> 00:32:01,916 Speaker 1: person about this. I like, I have such rules about 584 00:32:01,956 --> 00:32:05,676 Speaker 1: like if you miss the queue to start the movie, 585 00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:08,996 Speaker 1: You're like out of the group text like I like that, 586 00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:11,836 Speaker 1: and everyone a link. I'm not even kidding. I send 587 00:32:11,876 --> 00:32:14,876 Speaker 1: everyone a link to the world clock website and I'm 588 00:32:14,876 --> 00:32:19,356 Speaker 1: like when this, like, you better be cued up to 589 00:32:19,516 --> 00:32:23,476 Speaker 1: zero zero zero zero. Sasha has solved it. Oh yeah, 590 00:32:24,236 --> 00:32:30,356 Speaker 1: and I've lost all my friends along the way. Website. 591 00:32:31,916 --> 00:32:35,836 Speaker 1: It's amazing, I know. And it like it always like 592 00:32:35,956 --> 00:32:40,236 Speaker 1: always goes awry immediately. But I will say I think 593 00:32:40,276 --> 00:32:44,236 Speaker 1: about the sort of corollary to this a lot ronald Um, 594 00:32:45,276 --> 00:32:47,756 Speaker 1: which I don't know. Maybe this is another conversation we 595 00:32:47,756 --> 00:32:50,796 Speaker 1: can have another time. But like what you said about 596 00:32:50,876 --> 00:32:56,476 Speaker 1: cable TV is so true, and I think that humanity 597 00:32:57,036 --> 00:33:00,116 Speaker 1: um has certainly lost. Like we've gained a lot with 598 00:33:00,276 --> 00:33:07,276 Speaker 1: streaming and this like individualized cultural consumption that we can make, 599 00:33:07,356 --> 00:33:11,756 Speaker 1: but I think that humanity it has lost something by 600 00:33:12,316 --> 00:33:15,356 Speaker 1: devaluing appointment TV. And like you see it like during 601 00:33:15,396 --> 00:33:20,156 Speaker 1: the Oscars or like basically like the oscars presidential debates, 602 00:33:20,396 --> 00:33:22,716 Speaker 1: like maybe the super Bowl if that's your thing, but 603 00:33:22,836 --> 00:33:25,716 Speaker 1: there are so few things now where like the entire 604 00:33:25,756 --> 00:33:29,676 Speaker 1: world is watching together. If you're on Twitter during the Oscars, 605 00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:33,596 Speaker 1: everyone is in conversation and yeah, I just wish that 606 00:33:33,716 --> 00:33:38,196 Speaker 1: like Appointment TV came back, Seinfeld lost, like any of those, Yeah, 607 00:33:38,276 --> 00:33:41,236 Speaker 1: exactly lost. So we're recording this on a Monday, and 608 00:33:41,516 --> 00:33:45,796 Speaker 1: yesterday was Sunday was the Succession season finale, and spoilers, 609 00:33:45,796 --> 00:33:48,316 Speaker 1: I haven't watched it, please especially. My point, that's exactly 610 00:33:48,316 --> 00:33:50,476 Speaker 1: where I was going with this, is that I can't 611 00:33:50,476 --> 00:33:52,596 Speaker 1: even like I want to talk about it with people. 612 00:33:52,636 --> 00:33:54,076 Speaker 1: And I have several friends who are like, I haven't 613 00:33:54,116 --> 00:33:55,876 Speaker 1: watched yet. And now I'm like, well, you're on the 614 00:33:55,916 --> 00:33:58,276 Speaker 1: clock because I want to tell you about and I 615 00:33:58,276 --> 00:33:59,996 Speaker 1: can't have this moment because you're out here being like 616 00:34:00,036 --> 00:34:02,236 Speaker 1: I can't sit down at nine o'clock. Well, Sunday nights 617 00:34:02,236 --> 00:34:04,436 Speaker 1: they watched this show. We all need to be watching. 618 00:34:05,836 --> 00:34:08,196 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I agree. I would love the return 619 00:34:08,236 --> 00:34:10,316 Speaker 1: of Appointment to V. We've seen some of it with 620 00:34:10,596 --> 00:34:13,956 Speaker 1: shows like Insecure, shows like Succession. People are still watching 621 00:34:13,956 --> 00:34:17,076 Speaker 1: those in bulk. But I now, because of people's schedules, 622 00:34:17,236 --> 00:34:19,356 Speaker 1: were separating them and I think there needs to be 623 00:34:19,836 --> 00:34:22,316 Speaker 1: maybe another way for us to just be able to 624 00:34:22,356 --> 00:34:23,916 Speaker 1: be like, all right, we're not going to watch it 625 00:34:23,956 --> 00:34:27,076 Speaker 1: on Sunday, but we've created some sort of link together 626 00:34:27,156 --> 00:34:29,316 Speaker 1: where we can all watch it on our televisions like 627 00:34:29,396 --> 00:34:32,716 Speaker 1: in the in our most comfortable settings in our own homes. 628 00:34:33,116 --> 00:34:38,236 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I will invest in whatever app you're 629 00:34:38,236 --> 00:34:41,956 Speaker 1: building for TV CO. It's called ron Has Problems dot Com. 630 00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:46,356 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys joining me today. This has 631 00:34:46,356 --> 00:34:50,676 Speaker 1: been a great and fun conversation. Yeah. Thanks for getting 632 00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:53,516 Speaker 1: us together in real time to do the same thing. Yes, 633 00:34:53,676 --> 00:35:00,356 Speaker 1: this is solvable. Listeners, what are the problems you'd like 634 00:35:00,436 --> 00:35:03,356 Speaker 1: us to solve in twenty twenty two? Tweet us at 635 00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:07,516 Speaker 1: Pushkin Pods and use the hashtag solvable. We'll be away 636 00:35:07,516 --> 00:35:09,836 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, but back at in twenty 637 00:35:09,876 --> 00:35:14,156 Speaker 1: twenty two with fresh episodes of Solvable. Solvable is produced 638 00:35:14,156 --> 00:35:18,716 Speaker 1: by Josin Frank, researched by David John, booking by Lisa Dunn, 639 00:35:19,036 --> 00:35:22,916 Speaker 1: editing help from Keyshelle Williams. Very special thanks to Maggie 640 00:35:22,916 --> 00:35:26,396 Speaker 1: Taylor and our fellow Pushkin hosts. Our managing producer is 641 00:35:26,436 --> 00:35:30,676 Speaker 1: Sasha Matthias, and our executive producer is mio Lebelle. I'm 642 00:35:30,756 --> 00:35:32,756 Speaker 1: Ronald Young Jr. Thanks for listening.