WEBVTT - Should Candidates Go On Only Fans? 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.160 Natively and pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:04.520 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:12.799 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. Now. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.440 I want to go way back to nineteen ninety two, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.280 the year Nirvana's Nevermind went number one on the US 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.080 Billboard two hundred charts. Tornad O'Connor stirred up controversy by 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.840 ripping a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.240 You remember that, and Bill Clinton defeated George Bush in 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.879 the presidential election. But before all that happened, this happened 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:44.400 on my show. That was then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.839 belting out a soul for rendition of Heartbreak Hotel on 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.879 my show, The Arsenio Hall Show. That changed presidential campaign forever. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:57.480 Welcome home, everybody. This is Tiffany Cross, Angela Ray and 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.279 me and I don't know if they're on my left right, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.040 but I did point to my left and am I right. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.720 Welcome y'all. There's a quick mini pod we wanted to 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.440 get into with you all as we talk about, are 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.959 there spaces that are below the belt a little too 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.360 gotter for our presidential candidates to go? Where do they 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.840 go to talk to as many people as they can. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.880 We're interested in hearing each other's thoughts on that, and 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.120 maybe you walking weigh into Angela, what you got? What 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.920 do you think set this up out? Well? 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.120 I think, first of all, there should be no place 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.319 really off limits to reach voters. I do think that 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:37.319 that comes with some contingencies. I think that we should 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.920 never put our candidates in harms away. I think that 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.720 there are some platforms where they want to go viral 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.240 or make a name for themselves, and so in those 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.920 instances it's probably not the best I think. One thing 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:55.000 that I've been particularly interested to see is there is 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.360 a new conservative platform, or a new ish conservative platform 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:03.320 called Rumble. This guy DJ Academics has been paid to 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.240 go on Rumble and earlier this year said that he 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.639 was going to be streaming on Rumble from Trump's crib. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.120 I don't know if Donald Trump is going to go 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.160 on Rumble with him, but that's interesting to me. To me, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.000 you know, when folks don't have any political background whatsoever, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.200 what role should they really play? And I think that's 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.680 a conversation that both sides of the aisle really should 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.080 be having. We've spent a lot of time focusing on 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.160 influencers and their role in campaigns. And I'm almost of 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.760 the school of thought now where I believe the role 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:39.240 of an influencer has an outsized place and focus on 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.680 campaigns to the to this in the same ways in 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:47.000 which we talked about on our last podcast, money Right. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.760 And so there are some folks who are niche influencers 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.720 or micro influencers, are targeted and specific and no politics 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.320 very well. I think those folks who are educated in 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.320 the space, have political background, and have some political acumen 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.520 should have more influence over over the electorate than folks 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.760 who sometimes do like I'm actually really irritated about fifty 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.000 cent and the role that he's played in this election. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.440 I'm irritated, frankly with some of the things that ice 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.799 Cube did last cycle, and I wish that if they 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.880 were to engage, that they took the time to sit 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.079 down with folks who do this work every single day, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.000 like we do when we're talking about hip hop, or 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.760 like we do when we're talking about making movies or 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.079 making shows. I just think to Pont, I mean, anyone 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.120 should can have an opinion. You're a voter, you have 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.880 every right to weigh in exactly how you see fit, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.200 but I would like to see them yoke up and 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.120 link up with folks who actually know the space a 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.840 little bit more. I do think that to be in 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.840 pop culture and find people who don't watch cable news, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.960 especially with those numbers decreasing every single day, I think 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:52.800 it's worth it to go meet people where they are. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.600 And this won't be the first time that folks went 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:56.760 to go meet people. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:57.160 Where they are. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.680 And we know that we played the clipper earlier. Of 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.400 Bill Clinton going on our senior hall and playing the saxophone, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.600 I think that earned him the title the first black president. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.400 I would like to correct history and say our first 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.040 black president was in fact Barack with Saint Obama. But 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.760 that's what made him. No no, no, no, don't come on, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.640 Donald Trump, don't do me. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.279 We used to growing up. If we used to debate 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.880 Lincoln was black, wasn't Yeah? 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.800 Not, asked Frederick John So anyway, I. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.520 Know my history who was also biracial. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:33.200 But yes, we mean also, I mean, hey, Braham, come on. Anyway. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:34.119 Back to the point. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.080 The point is please go reach people like Andrew who 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.280 spread misinformation on podcast. Go talk to him and can 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.719 fact check and get the registry anyway. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.200 That's because you know the fact that I think it 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.920 was ninety one when Bill Clinton went on Our Senio Hall, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.960 and that was a huge deal. But now for a 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.240 presidential candidate to go on a late night talk show 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.560 is not that big a deal. I remember when Bill 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.880 Clinton was there playing the saxophone and he had on 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.919 the glasses and it was so big. And look, the 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:07.719 elephant in the room at the time was he didn't 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.000 just go on the late night talk show. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.120 It wasn't Johnny Carson. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.599 He went on with a black late night talk show 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:17.640 and Arsenio Hall was you know, you know, like the big, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.240 the big, the first to do it. Yeah, he was 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.800 the first to do it at that time. What was interesting, though, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.479 is George H. W. Bush had refused to go on 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.400 Our Senio Hall, and he made some sort of comment 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.800 about it. I can't remember, but Our Senio Hall and 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.440 his stand up a few days later, uh like clap 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.000 back at President Bush and was like, ain't nobody invite 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.960 you irregular heart beating and he had just had like 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.640 some sort of heart condition or something. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.359 But the audience went wild. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.920 But the thing is it made Bill Clinton more accessible. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.159 And I just want to say, the person who donned 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.960 him the first black president was our luminary Tony Morrison, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.800 you know who we love, So you know it did 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.719 resonate with some people. Obviously, is not our first black president, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.920 and his policies were not always in our favor, as 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.240 history can rewrite itself. But I like the point that 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.080 Angela was making about where people get their news. You know, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.359 as a journalist, I read the trades every morning, and 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.640 just this week and Pointer highlighted, you know, there's ever 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.159 every day there's some big news platform that's collapsing or 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.920 having layoffs, and just this week they highlighted that readers 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:30.240 are increasingly getting their news from influencers. That frightens me 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.080 because I've seen these influencers and because you have a 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.080 lot of followers. Does not a journalist make. Even though 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.640 there can be intelligent and intellectual people, that doesn't necessarily 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.280 mean like there is training to go and figure out 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.520 how to present a story with all that pertinent accurate 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.520 information that is unbiased but can still honor the community, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.320 that is not confusing. They're not you know, speaking inside baseball. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.640 You're presenting, you know, both sides of a story, not nonsense, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.240 but both sides of an accurate story. And so when 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.200 I see people, you know, it kind of gives this 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.120 like this false inflated sense of intellect that's not really there, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.560 because it's like, oh, well, I saw this person say 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.960 it on TikTok, and so now I'm informed about this 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.880 topic that I got while they were you know, doing 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.440 a little dance and gave it to me in thirty seconds. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.880 And that's not always the case, you guys. I feel like, well, Andrew, 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.360 you anyway have like I try to strike a balance 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.760 because I don't want to like be like elitists, like 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.320 you only have to get your news from the Times, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.920 you know, like cause that's a problem too. And I 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.080 feel like, to Angelo's point, these cable news platforms, you 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.200 ask for it, You ask for people to tune out, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.840 you know, when you summarily ignored our communities forever, then 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.720 of course people were gonna start getting their news and 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:43.200 information someplace else. So there is some legitimacy to going 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.440 into some of these spaces that some people made THEMB 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.320 their nose a. But it's like, as we are increasingly 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:54.080 ignored by these mainstream platforms that only platform people that 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.600 make white people comfortable, then yeah, you gotta go out 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.000 and talk to people in a different way. And I'm 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.240 torn with the influencer piece because you know, I was 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.640 super annoyed too, Angela with ice Cube and the plan 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.440 he came out with and people were like, oh my god. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.720 I Ececubs a genius. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.840 I'm like, have y'all ever heard of actual think things? 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.000 And members of are Congressional Black Caucus And this is 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:21.160 not the first time these things were asked for. There's 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.640 also the gaming industry, you know, there are I think 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.040 that was a place in two thousand. I want to 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.760 say sixteen is the first time that was utilized. And 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.200 black people are the second largest demographics to participate in 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.960 gaming industry, so on platforms like Twitch, which Amazon bought for. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.319 I can't remember how much I wrote about it in 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.120 my book, but I like, like a billion dollars, like 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.520 nine hundred and sixteen million dollars, and the black folks 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.719 are the second largest demographic and there wasn't really a 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.480 lot of people engaging them there. So I think we 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:55.840 have to go meet people. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:56.920 Angela. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.240 I think your perspective though, is like go into some 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.800 of these more hostile environments and make your case, you know, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.199 like show up to the fight, like, noo, give you buck, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:11.080 I'm showing up that one. I think there's some legitimacy 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.000 to that. But then I wonder, is that the role 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.360 of a surrogate, Like do you send a mayor pete 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.720 in there and not necessarily the candidate or does that 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.440 take away it's like you sending you sent your boy 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.600 to fight me. You ain't even able to fight me yourself. Like, 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.800 I don't know, I'm still I'm still torn on that. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.040 All right, we got to take a quick break, but 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.000 we'll see you on the other side. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:40.360 Don't go anywhere, you know. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:45.000 I think I'm probably oddly enough very liberal on this 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.520 because I think you go everywhere. By and large, I 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.440 think the rules of the game have changed drastically. I mean, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.320 I remember, tiff, as you pointed out, the breaking news 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.199 of Bill Clinton on Late Night with a. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.080 Black host and and what that did for him, and 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.920 it made him relevant in the culture and a different 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.360 kind of way before we were referring to it as 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:14.120 relevant in the culture today. Though. My issue with him, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.320 First of all, if you're a citizen, you're in America, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.360 you're breathing, you can have an opinion, you can have choice, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.160 You can have all those things, and you can have 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.000 your own reasons for why it is you're doing what 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.319 it is you're doing politically. So I can't begrudge people 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.400 who go down that road. I've said it before, I'll 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.400 say it again fifty cent. He and I may share complexion, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.160 but that's kind of probably where it's at. We're in 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.559 a different tax bracket. He's got a whole another world 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:49.920 of concerns and care or frankly, I got a whole 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.080 different kind of world of concern and bills and so on, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.520 and tax brackets and so on and so forth. And 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.760 so when I see people like him move, I don't 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:05.600 attribute it to be in our collective community best inrists. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.560 I think he's got other things that bay hear. I 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.920 may not know what they are. He may be for 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.600 Trump because Trump is trying to reduce taxes on people 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.600 who are in his bracket. He may be trying to 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.760 open up in some golf courses, you know, another side hustle, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.840 or a new business venture. We never know what it 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.800 is that these folks have going that necessitates how they move, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:37.520 particularly in political spaces. I don't I don't assign anymore, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.440 and I think I probably at one point did assign 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.880 when I saw black people whose names I recognized, mostly 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.040 to your point, Angelo, who were in the political space. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.240 Maxine Waters was a queen and a god to me, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.200 you know, in middle school. And if she said it, 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.320 it was truth, it was Bible, it was law, and 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.120 she got there by good consideration that had me and 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.560 mind when she said this was going to be good 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:04.680 for us. Long divorced myself from that belief. And I 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.680 think our community has grown in many ways sophisticated enough 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.439 to hear a celebrity or an influencer say something and 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.920 then to process through the recesses of their mind whether 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.720 or not it works for them or not the truth, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.800 but guess what. And those who aren't likely aren't impacting 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.400 the process and the way that we think they should 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.280 be anyway, like i e. Voting to talking about voting 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.320 in the candidates that you support and the reasons why 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.760 you do it. The largest influence of research substantiates this 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:37.960 comes from your person to person contacts, relationships with people around, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.839 moving them to the different story. If it doesn't mean 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.520 it's true, like people did, I don't think so. I 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.480 don't think so. I thought in twenty sixteen. What we 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.600 saw where influence has held then the role that they 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.600 hold now, which is they bring attention largely to a 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.520 candidate or an issue or a situation that might otherwise 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.920 go unmerited. Oh yeah, that's what I think influences bring 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.000 as a value to a campaign. That I was a 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.120 struggling candidate in a primary and I needed anybody to 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.480 put eyes on me that would and once they put 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.240 eyes on me, maybe then the regular voter would say, oh, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.280 I didn't know about that cat, let me find out more. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.319 But they weren't saying I'm going to vote for him 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.760 because Cardi B said go do it. I'm going to 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.040 look for him because Cardi B said. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.600 Can I ask you a question? Well, both of you 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.000 guys only fans. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.360 Let's say, is somebody out there she reads three million 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.360 people a month on only fans doing all kinds of 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:32.319 who knows? 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.600 So if I got to go play with her little toe? 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.720 No, sir, no sir, no sir you okay, So there 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.199 is a line. Are we sending our handdate only fan? 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:41.760 I don't think. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.120 I don't think that you send the candidate to OnlyFans. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.800 I think that you can have the only fans talent, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.840 do a video on OnlyFans and say like, I know 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.560 you thought this was what she was going to get today, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.319 but let me tell you instead, this is where I'm 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:54.640 a voter. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.199 Actually that's a good idea. It was a great idea. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.559 But here's the other. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.200 Either way, the DNC just credentialed like twenty forty influencers 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.440 content creation should as official folks. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.320 That they should should And here's why the third of 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.280 young people under thirty get their news from TikTok, So 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.200 that's exactly what they should do. The question is how 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.960 do the candidates and the campaigns engage these folks. I 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.600 think part of what we see happening that is a 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.000 challenge is people try to use nineteen nineties tactics with 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.080 new media, and that's the part that doesn't ring true. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.440 That's the part that strikes inauthentic. We don't need Kamala 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.200 Harris on Kai Sanatz trying to say stuff like him 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.320 be like what game you playing? No, let me get 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.080 on it, Let me get on the NBA two K 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.040 with you or whatever it is. I don't even know 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.480 what the game is called. So it's like you have 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.680 to make sure that they still ring true. There's a 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:50.840 video that's gaining traction of Kamala Harris saying that you know, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.960 she makes a mean pot of greens and one time 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.840 she had to make so many, so many greens for 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.960 Christmas that they had to watch them in the bathtub, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.280 and the dude like saying she's lying. Probably is very true. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.880 I prefer using a sterilite. But I understand exactly what 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.960 you're saying. I just can't unsee ass and my grades. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:07.720 I can't unsee it. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.280 But I just think that there are ways that we 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.520 can reach folks and it is authentic. I believe Hillary 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.680 Clinton when she said she had hot sauce in her bag. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.840 I don't believe it was from Beyonce Lyric. I believe 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.720 that Kamala really cooked a mean batch of greens and 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.240 a bunch of other things. There are people, though, who 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.520 are frustrated that Kamala recently had Meg the Stallions twerking 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.960 at a rally. I didn't mind it, mean, I thought 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.760 there are some young folks that it could reach. It 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.520 was in Atlanta she had Quavo talking about gun violence. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.600 I also can say I would have preferred though, her 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.560 sitting down to talk with Meg about what happened with 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.120 her and Tory Lanez and what she did as a 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.880 prosecutor to quell domestic violence, what she did as a senator, 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.920 what type of legislation she introduced, what she's going to 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:56.880 do as law. Not really, it requires Meg telling. It 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.000 requires Meg telling her story, which she's done several times, 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.520 and I think it would have probably gone over a 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.600 little better perhaps than it did with the Gail King 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.720 interview because of how Kamala is approachable in those one 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.120 on ones. She did a great thing during her twenty 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.360 twenty bid where a bunch of us sat down with 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.880 her on criminal justice reform, some really influential people. It 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.040 was like a small round table. Every influencer conversation isn't 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.280 about a celebrity. It is about people who exist in 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:29.200 our incredible and notable in certain subject matter, certain you know, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.440 have certain expertise. She could do more of those conversations. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.200 I agree. I'm just saying with certain celebrities, we are 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:40.000 asking people to do a lot in those reveals, and 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.440 so some are more comfortable with a couple of seconds. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.440 I'm with my girl, Da da da da Da da da, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.080 and I'm dying for her and I'm and I'm fine 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.120 with that. Yeah, show us I will last time. 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:50.760 I can't reference that, yeah. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.600 Yeah, yeah. But for people who are willing to engage 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.880 and give more of themselves to illuminate for their followers, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.840 why it is that you're For instance, Cardi b talking 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:04.840 about goddamn Obamacare when she said, just so we could 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.239 go and get our Yeah, you know, look, I was like, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.800 this is some hard stuff. I love this. It was. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.520 It was I'm sorry, carludant. And I became a follower 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.560 of her after seeing her do that because she spoke 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.879 as plane spoken as any of us would be, just 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.040 the way that I talked and laughed, you know, jokingly 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.399 about Abraham Lincoln. It's because some of my boys we 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.080 laugh about that. You're kind of brown. Maybe it's I 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.320 tell you, I know the history, I know what the 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.200 facts are, But that isn't the way regular people engage 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:44.720 in conversation. Folklore can take twenty trips around the block 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.640 before a moon before the truth gets won. Right, that's mine. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.399 Just stick with Cardi, not Abe. That's all I'm asking. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.000 All I'm saying is people let me. You gotta know 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.280 we talk as regular people and ways that we may 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.720 not speak to each other at the live show, right, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.920 we will get close to it, but we won't be that. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.760 And I'm just saying, why not. We have to make 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.800 these environments as comfortable as we can for people because 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.800 we're asking them to engage personally, not on behalf of 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.360 we're saying, you go take the time to vote and 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.439 put your stamp on it. And that is an extension 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.720 that half the country doesn't make right now. And there's 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:29.200 a reason. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.280 Yeah, I hear that you said that we don't do 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.040 that in a live show, and I asked, why not. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.440 I know that's probably a different I. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.040 Said, we do. We do, but but nah, I don't 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.720 say somebody that I would like us to do because 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.000 there are words that I shouldn't say. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:44.159 Am I. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.920 I don't have my mom and my mother in law 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:53.200 come at me. Yeah, you know, but nah, that's always 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.919 going to be real. I may I may present it 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.560 slightly more appropriately, but it is what it is. I 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.520 just think we're we're long past the time of you know, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.520 pearl clutching around who performed at such and such as 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.200 rally and who they got of urban endorcement. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.560 So there were some people who really didn't It. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.440 May have been. It may have been, and I don't 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.000 take issue with them. I think she got more than 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.399 what she did. I think she got more than what 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.399 she lost. And that's the analysis that I think people 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.320 have to, you know, sometimes. 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:26.080 Make a calculation. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:26.600 You guys. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.240 Remember when that state legislator was twerking and people had 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:30.520 a fit. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.400 Remember she was on the Yes, I remember I knew. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:34.959 That legislator, you know, you knew her? 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.280 Was she and p fle and we defended her MBJC. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.920 I defended her on my show at the time because 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.480 I feel like, listen, as the gender, as the elected 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.480 leaders get younger and younger, like we have to get 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.960 rid of some of these purity tests, you know, and 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.320 it's like, yeah, we are full human beings who have 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.760 full lives, and you know we didn't grow up well, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.960 thank god, you know, there was no Instagram. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:01.520 I'm during frequent in Atlanta. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.520 You know, we didn't grow up with our homecoming, you know, 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.560 being played on TikTok, you know. And so now as 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.560 we have people, unless you lived your whole life like 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.600 a robot, there's going to be some things out there 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.760 that you did or do. And I think our social 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.639 norms and morays adjust and we're going to have to adjust. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.960 Just know this, y'all. You may think it's a good 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.040 idea for you to do, but you also have to 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.600 be prepared to deal with the consequences. That could be 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.480 a voter who is now pissed as hell at you 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.200 and will no longer be voting for you. It could 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.280 be a classroom of kids who said, I've never heard 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.000 of you before, but when you was working and talking 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.639