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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Himmer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode two. My name is Brad Roland and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined on tonight's podcast on a Sunday evening in

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Speaker 1: our traditional time slots by Scott Coleman. Scott, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna ask about the NFL. How are you hello, Brad?

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Speaker 2: I have to say before we officially started recording the show.

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Speaker 2: For those watching on YouTube, Brad's name in the lower

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Speaker 2: third was changed to Sad Falcons Fan. I poured one

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Speaker 2: out for Brad before recording. We are not going to

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Speaker 2: talk about the game today. And officially, Brad, it is

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Speaker 2: the off season for Major League Baseball. I think the

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Speaker 2: last time you and I did a podcast, we were

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Speaker 2: still kind of been that purgatory period between the World

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Speaker 2: Series and the off season officially beginning. As of Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: there has not been a damn thing that's happened transaction

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Speaker 2: wise for the Braves or anybody else in baseball. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe in the next week to ten

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Speaker 2: days we'll start to get some movement, maybe in early signing,

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Speaker 2: maybe some trades. There's usually a little bit of activity

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Speaker 2: before Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it will start to heat up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and just to say at the top of the show

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Speaker 1: if people are new to the show, we will not

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Speaker 1: usually open with football talk, but it was a rare

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Speaker 1: occasion where I am a Falcons fan, Scott as a

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Speaker 1: Colts fan. We don't usually square off Scott and I

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Speaker 1: on sports. Our other co hosts, Stephen and Sean are

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Speaker 1: like rivals in multiple sports, whereas Scott and I are

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Speaker 1: really not. So as a rare occasion, the Falcon should

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Speaker 1: have won today will be bet alone for now, and

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Speaker 1: we're also part of foul Territory as a network. Check

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Speaker 1: territory and a fairit podcast platform. We appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: here as always, but yeah, it's been kind of busy,

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Speaker 1: but not in a you know, frantic way. The biggest thing,

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Speaker 1: of course, is that Wat Weiss is the manager you

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Speaker 1: want to talks about that in emergency fashion only five

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Speaker 1: days ago, basically at this point, and since then it's

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Speaker 1: been reactions to the coaching staff. The most richart show

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Speaker 1: on this podcast feed was Steve and Sean talking about

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Speaker 1: a pre major day of contract decisions only three days ago.

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Speaker 1: Now with Tyler Kinley and Pierce Johnson not having their

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Speaker 1: options picked up, for example. Let's listen to that show

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Speaker 1: for a deep dive on that, but we'll get to

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Speaker 1: some later on. We'll get to some of the internet's

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Speaker 1: MLB free agent predictions. It's always a fun game for

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Speaker 1: siccos like us to go through the kind of three

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Speaker 1: major projections at MLB trade rumors, Fangrafts, and ESPN. They

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Speaker 1: like actual dollar projections. We'll get to that later on,

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Speaker 1: but first, there actually is some news in between our

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Speaker 1: last recording and now. The Braves have added They have

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Speaker 1: not finalized yet, keep that in mind, but they have

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Speaker 1: added more to their coaching staff. So on Friday they

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Speaker 1: put out there that Tony Mezzolino is the new third

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Speaker 1: for the Braves. Of course, that comes after a couple

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Speaker 1: more things right now, it's previous to that that Sean

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Speaker 1: compared to what these jobs are, and the Braves are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we will dig into Tony Mansolino and JP

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Speaker 2: I want to say something, Brad off the top. If

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Speaker 2: folks heard our show right after the Braves hired Waltwiss,

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Speaker 2: League Baseball. You have coaches who have been interim managers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. We were relatively underwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: We were not killing it either. Like there are people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So on Saturday night, I was doing when anybody

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Speaker 1: Okay Scott. Before we get to pre agents, it's a

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Speaker 1: This is not gonna be a twenty minute preview, but

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year will be announced on Monday. Finally,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about Rookie of the Year for several months

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Speaker 1: The season was over. Baldwin was always gonna be a finalist.

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Speaker 1: Brewers third baseman Caleb Durban. I've said this before. I

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Speaker 2: Anytime you open up voting to the Baseball Writers Association

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Speaker 2: And he was just so consistent. He had nineteen home

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Speaker 2: So I think Baldwin will win. I think he deserves

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Speaker 1: of work and not pick Baldwin personally. The only reason

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Speaker 1: why he wouldn't is if someone really, really, really really

432
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Speaker 1: loves Ky Horton's era, which was two point sixty seven. Yeah,

433
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Speaker 1: his peripheral is more as good as that. I get it. Like,

434
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Speaker 1: but hey, you could argue reasonably that era is quote

435
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Speaker 1: unquote what counts. It's what happened versus the process of

436
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Speaker 1: it all. We have more process driven. But hey, I

437
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Speaker 1: get what people will go with the ra I get that,

438
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Speaker 1: But when you factor in the workload, the contributions Baldwin

439
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Speaker 1: had all season long, I think you was still better.

440
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Speaker 1: Even if you lean firmly on era for Horton, I

441
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Speaker 1: would still go with Walwin. And that's my encapsulation. But

442
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Speaker 1: we'll find out in about twenty hours. Here is reporting

443
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Speaker 1: this scout something like that.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, man, I hope Drake wins and getting

445
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Speaker 2: the draft pick.

446
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Speaker 1: Which would be around pick thirty.

447
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Speaker 2: It also comes with a slot bonus of upwards of

448
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Speaker 2: three million dollars for the Braves, and we know that.

449
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Speaker 2: I think it absolute worst. The Braves have a top

450
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Speaker 2: eight pick. I don't believe mathematically they can fall out.

451
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Speaker 2: I think they have six best odds in the lottery

452
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Speaker 2: and just mathematically they could not fall below eight. So

453
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Speaker 2: you get the money and slot that comes with at

454
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Speaker 2: least a top eight pick. You add the pick around

455
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Speaker 2: pick thirty, assuming that Baldon wins, and then you have

456
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Speaker 2: a high pick in the second round the third round,

457
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Speaker 2: the Braves would have real ammunition to go out there

458
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Speaker 2: and really load up the farm system. Of course, they

459
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Speaker 2: might lose one of those draft picks if they go

460
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Speaker 2: out and sign a big name free agent, which we're

461
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Speaker 2: going to talk about here in a minute. But regardless,

462
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Speaker 2: let's hope Drake wins. He is deserving. He would be

463
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Speaker 2: just another name in a long line of really talented

464
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Speaker 2: Braves to win Rookie of the Year, and hopefully those

465
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Speaker 2: thirty Baseball writers who are voting on this award leaned

466
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Speaker 2: towards Baldwin, even if Caid, Horden and Durban are both

467
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Speaker 2: deserving candidates as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if he wins, we will talk more about

469
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Speaker 1: the draft pick stuff and specific as part of that

470
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Speaker 1: recap of his win that happens. You mentioned a couple

471
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Speaker 1: of guys who are still on the team now that

472
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Speaker 1: won this award. Michael Harris won in twenty twenty two

473
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Speaker 1: Ron mccunya one in twenty eighteen. Previous to that for

474
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Speaker 1: the Braves, Creig Kimber one in twenty eleven. It's a

475
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Speaker 1: long list for call one in two thousand. I remember

476
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Speaker 1: that very vid league as I'm an old person, but

477
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Speaker 1: it's not as small Listrice. I've had pretty good success

478
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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, and hopefully on Monday evening or

479
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Speaker 1: Tuesday whatever we talk next, we'll talk about Drake Baldwin

480
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Speaker 1: winning Rookie of the Year, as I believe he should,

481
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Speaker 1: and I think you agree with me based on your

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Speaker 1: responses to this discussion. There you go. Okay, Scott, let's

483
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Speaker 1: talk about some freegans. The Internet's favorite activity in early

484
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Speaker 1: November is these free agent lists, because, as you often lament,

485
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Speaker 1: there is not a you know, shotgun start of free

486
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Speaker 1: agency in baseball and the way that there are other sports.

487
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Speaker 1: And this is the NBA for agency would ala to

488
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Speaker 1: be over by now basically because it started, it started

489
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Speaker 1: a few days ago. Nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Literally no, I mean, unless I'm unaware of something. No

492
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Speaker 1: one has signed a deal that I'm aware. No, But

493
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of too, so in the other

494
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Speaker 1: sport that I cover, the NBA, the majority of deals

495
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Speaker 1: happened in the first like three days and really one day,

496
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Speaker 1: but especially the first three four days. Baseball is the

497
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Speaker 1: exact types of that. So in the meantime we have

498
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Speaker 1: the stand in for that, at least on the internet.

499
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Speaker 1: Is these three kind of major publication projections that kind

500
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Speaker 1: of lay the groundwork for our kind of discussions. Now,

501
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: these are not from teams. These are from I think

502
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Speaker 1: smart people Kyle McDaniel and Big Clemons Ete. These guys

503
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: do a good job with this, but it's not it's

504
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: not exact science, and we're not saying that it is.

505
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Speaker 1: But wib trading rumors, ESPN and fangrafts broughtut their like

506
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Speaker 1: top fifties basically with projections, and that means years and dollars.

507
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll mention teams. It's not like it's not it's

508
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: not a full like, hey, team will sign this player

509
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Speaker 1: to this contract, but it's like, here's the deal that

510
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Speaker 1: we project and here are a few teams that are

511
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Speaker 1: associated with that player. The braves are tied a lot

512
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Speaker 1: of guys. I don't know how you want to do this.

513
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Speaker 1: There's like different buckets of people. For instance, I think

514
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: and you can correct me if you think I'm wrong

515
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: on that about this, it's there's a lot more pitchers

516
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Speaker 1: that I think makes sense for the Braves the position players. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: just because the Braves have a clear need at starting pitcher.

518
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Speaker 1: The Braves have clearity right now and release picture after

519
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Speaker 1: what they did the other day with kin Lee and Pierce.

520
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Speaker 1: And on the position player side, they only have one

521
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Speaker 1: or two positions that they really need to add or

522
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Speaker 1: be helped with. And if you combine that with the

523
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Speaker 1: players available, like as we discussed a million times, there

524
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Speaker 1: really are only two shortstops that are starting caliber that

525
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Speaker 1: are available, and one of them is not a shortstop

526
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, So that makes that makes things very

527
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Speaker 1: interesting on that side of things. I will leave it

528
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Speaker 1: to you, Scott, where do you want to start? Dealers' choice?

529
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Speaker 1: Where do you want to start? First on this projection, rud.

530
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Speaker 2: Let's start on Hassan Kim, who has We've probably talked

531
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Speaker 2: about Kim more than any other player on the team

532
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Speaker 2: or off the team since the season ended.

533
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Speaker 1: With good reason, I would say yes, yes.

534
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Speaker 2: So we have talked a lot about just the unknown

535
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Speaker 2: of what kind of market that Kim is going to have,

536
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Speaker 2: this offseason. So let's hit those numbers quickly. Those projected

537
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: numbers from MLB Trade Rumors, Fangraphs, and ESPN. LB Trade

538
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Speaker 2: Rumors predicts two years and thirty million dollars for Hassan Kim,

539
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Speaker 2: And actually three of the four riders who weighed in

540
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Speaker 2: on the exercise with trade rumors picked the Braves to

541
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Speaker 2: sign Hassan Kim, so two years and thirty Fangrafts similarly

542
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: had two years and twenty six million, and ESPN actually

543
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: had one year in sixteen million. My big takeaway from that, Brad,

544
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Speaker 2: I know we've talked about what is a crazy deal

545
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Speaker 2: for Kim and where is the limit for him? And

546
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: again these are just projections. Players will beat them, players

547
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: will underperform them. But those numbers are nowhere near the

548
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Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar figure that's kind of been talked

549
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Speaker 2: about for Hasan Kim. I mean, two years, thirty million,

550
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Speaker 2: That would be a grand slam signing for the Braves,

551
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Speaker 2: even at fifteen million bucks year, Even if they did

552
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Speaker 2: another year, even at three years and forty five million bucks,

553
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Speaker 2: sign me up man like Kim would at least be

554
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Speaker 2: your shortstop for next year. You could move him to

555
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Speaker 2: second base if they move on from Azzi Albi's and

556
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Speaker 2: at fifteen million bucks. Sure, twenty years ago that was

557
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: a lot of money, but I mean that is the

558
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Speaker 2: going rate for like a starter in Major League Baseball.

559
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Speaker 2: It's hard to sign a every single day position player

560
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Speaker 2: for I mean, even ten million dollars is hard to

561
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Speaker 2: find that that feels like a really fair deal and

562
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Speaker 2: hopefully won the aides can lock down with Kim.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I have thought it was a little

564
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Speaker 1: bit interesting that some of the people that are a

565
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: little bit closer to the brave side of things, like

566
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Speaker 1: Brave's focused media, have been projecting some pretty outlandishly high

567
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Speaker 1: numbers on Hassan Kim, and then you see these numbers

568
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: come in and I don't know that. I don't know

569
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: which side's right to be, to be one hundred percent truthful,

570
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there is a Scott Boris four year,

571
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: eighty million dollar deal sitting out there for Hassan Kim,

572
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: I don't know about. That's definitely possible. But the split

573
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Speaker 1: I found interesting between what the national folks are saying

574
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Speaker 1: and what people are like maybe forecasting for Haslan on

575
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Speaker 1: the high side, I don't know. Which one is true.

576
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Speaker 1: I'm with you though, if it's three. If it's three

577
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Speaker 1: for forty five, I'd be okay with that. I wouldn't

578
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: be overjoyed, but I'd be okay with it. If it's

579
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Speaker 1: any of these projections. Two for thirty, two for twenty six,

580
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Speaker 1: one for sixteen, Yes, yes, and yes for me, I

581
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Speaker 1: am not. At the same time, I'm not telling you

582
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Speaker 1: the hastng Kam is some awesome player. I think he's

583
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Speaker 1: a starter. There are some injury concerns defensively that year.

584
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Speaker 1: It wasn't alf like there. He is not a player

585
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Speaker 1: without flaw. If he was, he'd be getting a lot

586
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: more than this. Keep that in mind, everybody. But I think,

587
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: given the options, given the situation the Braves are in,

588
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: given my feelings on Bobaschet's defense, all those things, put

589
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Speaker 1: it in. And by the way, what it cost to

590
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Speaker 1: trade for shortstops any of that stuff, I would pay

591
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Speaker 1: Hassong more than this, like if it was two for Honestly,

592
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Speaker 1: if it was two years and like thirty six, I

593
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: would still do it. Eighteen million a year, cool short

594
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Speaker 1: term deal, fine, sign me up two for forty I

595
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Speaker 1: wouldn't lose my mind because guess what to your deal

596
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: short term, Ferry Alex, I don't know. We will not

597
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: be this long on all the other players, but I

598
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: think Hawsong is the again, like you said, the most

599
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Speaker 1: interesting of all of them because of the braves, clear

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Speaker 1: and glaring, and the Braves have many needs that the

601
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Speaker 1: number one need on the entire roster is shortstop. It's

602
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Speaker 1: not not a huge surprise. Look at the roster right

603
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Speaker 1: now and tell me it's not shortstop. I would look

604
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Speaker 1: at you funny.

605
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolute shortstop. And let's talk about Bobaschett briefly.

606
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: Bishett is going to get paid big time. Although there

607
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: was a pretty big discrepancy from the three projections on Bishet.

608
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: So trade rumors eight years two hundred and eight million

609
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: dollars for Bobaschet. Fangrafts had seven years and two hundred

610
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: and three million dollars, Brad seven years and about thirty

611
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: million bucks a year for Bobachhett. ESPN was much more muted.

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Speaker 2: Five years in one hundred and thirty man. Bobachet's is

613
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Speaker 2: a really good player, but the defense scares me. And

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Speaker 2: I mean eight years to Bobaschett is lunacy. I six

615
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: years feels like one too many. Probably, if if Baschet's

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Speaker 2: markets does not materialize somehow and it's in that five

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Speaker 2: year range at like twenty five million per I would

618
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Speaker 2: at least make a phone call if I'm not extra

619
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Speaker 2: to feel it out. But I agree, I would definitely

620
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Speaker 2: lean more. I don't know if he's gonna get two

621
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Speaker 2: hundred million, that big round number of two hundred million dollars,

622
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Speaker 2: that is a boatload of money. You better be getting

623
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Speaker 2: a star. I know that salaries have gone up, and

624
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Speaker 2: they're only going up if you put two hundred million

625
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: dollars guaranteed into Bobachett's name. I don't know if any

626
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: gms are going to do that, maybe if they're really desperate.

627
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's uh, that's kind of my take on it.

628
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Speaker 2: I don't think Bobaschet's going to be a brave but

629
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Speaker 2: if his market maybe doesn't develop, or if some of

630
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: the big suitors for him go elsewhere, then stranger things

631
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Speaker 2: have happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, five for one thirty. I think people probably assume

633
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Speaker 1: that I don't like the sheet at all because I've

634
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Speaker 1: mentioned the defense a lot. I think that's the kind

635
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Speaker 1: of deal where you have to make Nicoll And also,

636
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Speaker 1: I still wouldn't play with a shortstop that that's just

637
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: a Hey, we got to figure out some something for

638
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Speaker 1: Ozzy Alby's kind of contracts or you know what's what else?

639
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Speaker 1: Could Welles could bobchet do kind of contract if four, he.

640
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Speaker 2: Could probably do it for twenty twenty six, maybe twenty

641
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Speaker 2: twenty seven.

642
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't want to watch that, but

643
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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. I don't want to watch

644
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: him play shortstop.

645
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: Hey, if he carries an eight to fifty ops maybe yeah,

646
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: it's give and take. But yeah, I think we've said,

647
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: we're well documented. If Obaicet signed with the Braves for

648
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: a reasonable deal, will come on, will be pumped because

649
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: he's a really good hitter. But ultimately I think he's

650
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: going to go back to Toronto.

651
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, he certainly could, and I think you'll have

652
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: some offers, especially if you if you buy the defense

653
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: being okay, every reason to pay him a lot of

654
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot of money because he's a good hitter who's

655
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: also pretty pretty young by free agency standards. He's not

656
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: he's think he's Easter twenty seven. He's pretty young. Yeah, anyway,

657
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: more to come in a second. We will get to

658
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: other hitters briefly, and then a lot, a lot, a

659
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: lot of pitchers who might have at least make sense

660
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: some sense to the Braves. We'll get into all that

661
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and more after award from hers. All right, Scott, a

662
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: couple more hitters to talk about. These guys are I

663
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: think we probably assume less likely than others around the Braves.

664
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: But you pulled some names. One of them I'll do.

665
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: I'll do the boring one, just to throw it out there.

666
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Marcelo Zuna made a couple of these lists. You might

667
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: have You might have heard of him. He's a former Brave.

668
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. He was projected to get

669
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars annually on both lists that he made.

670
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: One of them was a one year deal, one of

671
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: was a two year deal. This won't surprise you, Scott.

672
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: If the Braves gave Marcel fifteen million dollars, I'm going

673
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: to be very unhappy.

674
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: I would too, I don't think so. If he has

675
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: no market and other things have fallen apart, then maybe

676
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: you could do. I mean, I might give him half

677
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: of that. I might, I think half of that.

678
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: It would be what I would want to do if

679
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: I want to do something at all, because I just

680
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: don't think that Braves. I don't think he's good enough

681
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: anymore to warrant being a every single day dheah, and

682
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: if you're paying him that he's got to play every day,

683
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: that's the plan. You don't pay a guy fifteen million

684
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: dollars un once you're the Dodgers. You don't pay fifteen

685
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: million dollars a year to be a part time player.

686
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: That's what I would say. And I don't think. I

687
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: think Marcel's is still honestly a pretty good hitter. I

688
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: really do think he's a valuable hitter, but not a

689
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: every single game hitter. And we know he can't pay defense,

690
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: so that's what he'd have to be.

691
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: And then the other two big hitters, Kyle Schwarber got

692
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: big time projection, and Schwarber is older, but he of

693
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: course had I mean, he's going to get MVP votes

694
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: in a couple of days here, but Shworeber anywhere from

695
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: three to five years and upwards of one hundred million dollars.

696
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's worth a phone call if I'm Alex

697
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: the Topless. But I'm guessing that the Phillies or another

698
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: just absolutely starved for offense team is going to give

699
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: probably a reckless contract to Schwarber. The most guaranteed money

700
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: that any of the three sites gave Schwarber was one

701
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five million over five years. I would

702
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: take the over on that, and again that was the

703
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: highest projection that he got. I think Schwarber is going

704
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: to get like a four year, one hundred and fifty

705
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: million dollar contract, and he's a hell of the hitter,

706
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: but I don't think the Braves do it. And then

707
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger is somebody who in theory makes sense for

708
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: this team as an outfielder, as DH would obviously take

709
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger's back. But again, all three sites upwards of

710
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: five years, upwards of one hundred and forty million dollars,

711
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: when the Braves don't have like a screaming need for

712
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: an outfielder, I just don't think it's going to be

713
00:33:59,520 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: the Braves.

714
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually I still do think I am more

715
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: interested in a big time middle of the order hitter

716
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: who probably has to be an outfielder given where the

717
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: Braves are. Then most people seem to think that the

718
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: Braves could be interested in that kind of player. I

719
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: like that idea better than most people. Do you know,

720
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: if it's Cody Bellinger, it's Cody belenjer on't I doubt it.

721
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: To be very clear, I don't think it's going to happen,

722
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: but I would be probably more intrigued by that than

723
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: some I think that is a bigger need than some

724
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: Braves fans think that it is. But I get that

725
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: it's expensive and Alex as to this day, as we

726
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: always say, Alex has never given out a deal like

727
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: this to anyone externally, and even his internal contracts have

728
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: been is it still twenty two million is the most

729
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: he's ever paid anyone average annual value, that's true, twenty

730
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: five a fleet.

731
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: That's that's the ballpark Alex likes to work in.

732
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's never gone above that, and I would be

733
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: surprised if a player like Bellinger or a player like

734
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: Schwarber got less than that or even that number. So

735
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: that means you have to go to different level. Maybe

736
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: one day he will, I would guess, but maybe not

737
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: this This one's all right, Scott. That's not a full

738
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: on list of all all the hitters, but it's gonna be.

739
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: It's a podcast. We can't talk about all of them

740
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: in one space. The pictures man, there's a lot of

741
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: these guys. We don't have to talk about all them

742
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: individually in deep dive fashion, but if you want, we've

743
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: got to hit on the kind of tiers of dollars.

744
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: Does that make sense as a grouping exercise? That was

745
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: your idea. I will give you credit for that.

746
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: There's there's quite one. There's a lot of starting pitchers available,

747
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: and they're in big ranges, like guys who are going

748
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: to get twenty five million, thirty million a year, and

749
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: then guys who are gonna get like one year deals

750
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: that might be of interest as well. So there's there's

751
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: a wide range here.

752
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: There are, and there's actually a pretty big, like Bravesy

753
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: range of starters. And what I mean by that is

754
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: like short term but high dollar, which is tends to

755
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: be what Alex likes to do, short term deals. But

756
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: before that, there is a three pitcher tier, and really

757
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: the top two we're kind of their own tier. But

758
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: from bra Valdez, Dylan Cees and Ranger Suarez are all

759
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: projected to get nine figure contracts by these services. Valdez

760
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: in the five for fifty sorry, five for one to

761
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: fifty ish range cease. A longtime friend of the podcast,

762
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: Ali tre Rimbers, actually gives him seven years and one

763
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: eighty nine. That's a high number. The rest of them

764
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: are in the five one to fifty range like Baldez

765
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: and Swar is a little bit lower, but it's still

766
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: like five for one fifteen or five for one thirty.

767
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: Like it's twenty plus million dollars a year for five

768
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: to six to seven years on these guys. Anything to

769
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: strike you besides the cease number that is interesting to you,

770
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: because look, that's it. There is a dream scenario out

771
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: there for a lot of Brais fans that the Braves

772
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: might just go out and say, finally we will spend

773
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: money on one of these guys. I will believe it

774
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: when I see it. But what is your reaction to

775
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: that trio at the top?

776
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if I had to rank them,

777
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: least likely would be fran Berveldez. He just doesn't feel

778
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: like a brave am I am?

779
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: I off there? He just doesn't I agree at that,

780
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: especially if this is the price point. I can't see

781
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: the Braves doing that. I think, uh, I think you

782
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: probably heard things that I've heard too. I've long thought

783
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: that if they, if they were gonna do this for

784
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: a free agent, it would be it would be cease. Yeah. Yeah,

785
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: but even then, he's not paying seven eighty nine for

786
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Dylan se'es. I'm pretty sure I love that.

787
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 2: So I was gonna say so if Dylan Sees gets,

788
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: will split the difference from fangrafts in ESPN five years

789
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifty million. That's thirty million dollars

790
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: a year for Dylan See's.

791
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money.

792
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: That is a lot of money. It's a lot of

793
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: years to commit. But I'm not gonna sit here and

794
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: lie Brad if the break, if we got the blue

795
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: box at the Brave Sign. Dylan SE's, who when he

796
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: is right, is a bona fide ace, And you think

797
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: about him with Chris Sale and Schwallenbach and Strider. I mean,

798
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: dear god, I mean that that would be so much

799
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: fun to add Dylan SE's and always strikeouts.

800
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: But yes, it'd be very much, it'd be it'd be

801
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: very fun. Yeah. Also, you don't care about this because

802
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: you're not. He's also from He's also from Yere. He

803
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: went to school here, like there's that's the lot. There's

804
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: lots of boxes that Dillotis would check that are Bravesy

805
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: boxes except for the thirty million dollars a year thing.

806
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a Scott Boris client, which is not

807
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: a total roadblock, but it is an impediment to some level.

808
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: And then you know, of these three, though, Ranger Swarz

809
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: is interesting to me. I don't have to tell people

810
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: listening to the show just how good this guy is.

811
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how he does it. He just comes

812
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: ninety mile an hour, fastballs and cutters and god knows

813
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 2: whatever else, and nobody hits him hard, and every year

814
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: he doesn't. Suarez has not made thirty starts, but he

815
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: always makes like twenty five or twenty six. Maybe that's

816
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 2: by design by the Phillies to keep him a little

817
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: fresh with their pitching depth. But you know, if Swarrez

818
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: is gonna be around five years and one hundred and ten,

819
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million, I think of this group,

820
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: that's probably the most appealing to me. Not only would

821
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: you be taking him from a DIVI rival, but swar

822
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: Is because he does not rely on throwing ninety eight

823
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: to be successful in theory he might age a little

824
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: bit better. And while he's never been someone who's made

825
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: thirty starts and thrown two hundred innings, he has been

826
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: largely durable, does not have any big elbow or shoulder

827
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: problems that have popped up over the years. So Suarez

828
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: is really interesting to me, and I would be thrilled

829
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: if they added it.

830
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. He excels in limiting hard contact. He's

831
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: elite at that, like truly elite at that at that

832
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: one particular aspect, So I'd be in. He's a little

833
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: bit cheaper than season and above as wist by these projections.

834
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: He's also he's he's kind of halfway between the top

835
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: two and the next tier of list of the projections,

836
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: which is Michael King, uh an old friend of yours.

837
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: I know you're big. You've been a big Michael King

838
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: guy for a while. And then Zach Gallon, who I

839
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: know places in your back always has played in your

840
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: backyard in Arizona. That's a weird one, Zach Gallon, because

841
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: it's all over the place on him. I mean, even

842
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: I guess even King. There's one projection hasn't been taken,

843
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the qualifying offer, which is a big difference from like

844
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: four for eighty, which is the other projection on Michael King.

845
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: But these guys are kind of in their own tier

846
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: two because they're the only ones projected to get more

847
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: than three years by several lease outlets at that like

848
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year. Figure like four to eighty

849
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: is like the mid tier like projection on these guys.

850
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money too. And there Gallan has

851
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: been an ace. It's been a while. It's been a while,

852
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: but he has been. King kind of never has been,

853
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: but he's been really good, like a really good number

854
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: two kind of guy, basically that kind of quality of pitcher.

855
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: I know how he pulled on Michael King in general.

856
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Are still are still on the train?

857
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: You know, I'm on the Michael King train. Although the

858
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: one concern is that he has basically had one great

859
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: year as a starting pitcher. It was in twenty twenty four, yep,

860
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: and he was he was terrific. Michael King was fantastic,

861
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: But that's kind of it. And he's had elbow problems,

862
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: he's had a shoulder problem. It was a pinch nerve,

863
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: which which is odd, but I wouldn't I'm not a doctor,

864
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't imagine a pinched nerve with Linger also had

865
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: a finger problem a couple of years ago when he

866
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: was with the Yankees. So King does not necessarily scream durability,

867
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: which is what we have talked about the Braves needing

868
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: with the injury risk that comes with sail and seeing

869
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: all the injuries that just tappened this past year. But

870
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: if Michael King is on the mound, I feel confident

871
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: he's going to be really good and really effective. If

872
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: he gets like a four year, eighty million dollars deal,

873
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: that's probably my cap for him. And then you know,

874
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: with Zach Gallan, Gallon two three years ago was as

875
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: good as anybody in baseball, but you know, he did

876
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 2: not have a very good season, especially in the first half.

877
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: He was really bad. It would feel kind of risky

878
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: to me. I'm not a huge Gallon guy at this point,

879
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: seeing just the way he's kind of fallen down. But

880
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: if maybe the Braves feel like they could make some

881
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: tweaks to the pitches he's throwing, or his approach or

882
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: whatever it might be, and kind of get a bit

883
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: of a discount on a very talented guy. But I

884
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: don't know I mean Gallon, if it's a big contract,

885
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how cool I would be with that.

886
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: Last year, there was one guy I like loved at

887
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: their price point, and it was Nathany Evaldi.

888
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Me too, Me too.

889
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: That was our podcast stance we were we wanted Nathany Evaldi.

890
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: They didn't do it. We wanted him at at the

891
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: reported press point, and we have said that it was

892
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I think it was like three for seventy or something.

893
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the number was, but it was

894
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: like in that range, three for seventy five, a real number,

895
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: but we wanted them to do that. They didn't do it.

896
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. There's no one on this

897
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: list that I'm like, I feel that way about, whereas

898
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: like that is the guy I want. Now, there are

899
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: guys that I would like at their price points. There's

900
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: this next tier down that have uh there's five guys

901
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: in this next relative tier, And what I mean by

902
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: that is they're projected to get between like like sixteen

903
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars a year on a one to

904
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: three year contract, like basically the number three kind of

905
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: number three starter money eighteen million dollars a year for

906
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: a relatively short contract, and they are these players. This

907
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: is not in order. Chris Bassett, show it to Ivan Naga, Merrill,

908
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: Kelly Brenda Woodruff, and Lucas Gilizo. They're all kind of

909
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: in that same general tier. Jild is a little bit

910
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: lower than the other runs, but he's kind of closer

911
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: to them than the rest. Do you have a favorite

912
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: in that group that's like, hey, I would do that

913
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: at this kind of price, boot because they're all very

914
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: different pictures, Like Bassett is my favorite picture, but he's

915
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: also old. That's there's always there's lots of give and

916
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: takes on Old Beason. By the way, even Naga has

917
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: a Amma. Naga and Woodruff have qualifying offers attached, which

918
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: makes them complicated.

919
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as a reminder of the Braves would lose

920
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: a draft pick of some kind if they sign one

921
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: of these pictures with a qualifying offer. And to just

922
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: for note and housekeeping purposes, Michael King has a qualifying offer.

923
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: Ranger Suarez, Dylan Ce's Primbervelds all have qualifying offers, so.

924
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: It's easier to do that, by the way, on a

925
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: big like for instance, if you're going to give Dylan

926
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: c the money that he commands. A qualifying offer is

927
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: not going to be what the reason that you don't

928
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: do it? Probably, Yeah, it's a much different calculus when

929
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we're gonna pay two years and thirty

930
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: five million for Brandon Woodruff and also give and also

931
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: give a pick, Like that's that's kind of a different

932
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to my making sense here? It's

933
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: like it's just one more thing to add to it,

934
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: whereas like, once you're in for five years plus and

935
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: one hundred million plus, the pick, like it matters, but

936
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: it's just like another thing to throw on the top,

937
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: whereas like gonna have a qualifying offers to sign Imanaga

938
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: to a two year deal is like a pretty big

939
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: swing in the value I think.

940
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: And my issue with this kind of group, So let's

941
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: take Imanaga and Woodroff out, because I think there's a

942
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: real chance they take the qualifying offer, and I just

943
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: don't think the Braves are going to sign them and

944
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: lose the pick. But you know, Chris Bassett, Merrill, Kelly

945
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Lucas gi Alito, my big question to you, and we

946
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: don't know the future, but could you see one of

947
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: those guys starting game two of a playoff series. Ooh,

948
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: game I kind of don't. I mean Toronto wasn't starting

949
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: Bassett towards the end. They had him in the bullpen.

950
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: They didn't trust him. They preferred to go with other

951
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: guys towards the at least in the World series.

952
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: My old Like that's that's gonna be thirty seven on

953
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: an opening day? Yeah, and like that's that's not Charlie

954
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: Morton old, but it's old. That's that's not like I

955
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: think he's the best picture of the three. But you're right,

956
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean he did, just he wasn't starting by the end. Also,

957
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: you know Merril Kelly is thirty six, thirty seven too,

958
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Like he's up there too. Like these guys are not

959
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: young by any means. If you would said Game three

960
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: out of been like yes, get game two. I don't

961
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: know if I would classify these guys as number two starters.

962
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: I think you're paying these guys, this this group to

963
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: give you depth sounds too pejorative, strengthen the middle of rotation,

964
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna hang around, you know, it's not

965
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: gonna be your whole season, not gonna ride on them.

966
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: They're not special Strider upside wise, they're not swallowack upside wise,

967
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: they're not sale upside wise. These guys you're hoping to

968
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 1: be third starter quality guys, which, by the way, people

969
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: will be. People are always surprised when this kind of

970
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: picture gets paid seventeen million dollars a year. Yeah, but

971
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: that's that's what they're worth. I mean, it's honestly, I'm

972
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: not doing this because it's me. It's kind of the

973
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: Morton discussion we've been having for years, not last year Morton,

974
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: but before that, like before he was forty, like the

975
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: late thirties Charlie Morton, when it's like, hey, he's not

976
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: an ace anymore, but he is gonna eat innings for

977
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: you and make seventeen to twenty million dollars And it's

978
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: not sexy, but it's short term, the risk is not

979
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: that high, et cetera. And as you well know doing

980
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: this podcast with me for a long time, there's a

981
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: giant split in the fan base anytime there is a

982
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: picture like this, because somebody's gonna be like, wow, that's

983
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: that's an eighteen million dollar picture to have a three

984
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: point eight era like well, yeah, that's what this guy costs.

985
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's what they're right.

986
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: Like, if we got the push notification five minutes from

987
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: people listening to the show that the Brave signed Merrill

988
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: Kelly for two years and thirty four million dollars.

989
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that, by the way, it would be fine.

990
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't you know, it would be like, okay, cool,

991
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 2: Like you're probably gonna get an e ray E ray

992
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: In like the high threes. He's not an ace, he's

993
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: not going to be a cy young candidate, but he

994
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: there's value in a Merrill Kelly type or a Chris

995
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: Bassett type. Selfishly, I hope the Braves aim a bit higher,

996
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: I really do. I hope they're willing to spend the

997
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: money or go out and make a trade for someone

998
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: a little better than this.

999
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. That's it's more like Alex. I mean,

1000
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: it's it's so funny because you know, every piece of

1001
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: intel we have as far as just looking at what

1002
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: Alex has done now for a long time, tells you

1003
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to give a starting pitcher a big money,

1004
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: long term deal, Like he's just never done it. People

1005
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: are gonna say, Strider, that's not the same thing giving

1006
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: an internal guy an extension who had it, by the way,

1007
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: perform at a cy Young level when he got that extension.

1008
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: That's not the same thing as giving Dylan Ceese a

1009
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: six year contract for one fifty, you know what I mean.

1010
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: It's not That's a different kind of thing. I'm not

1011
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: saying he won't do it, but I in my brain,

1012
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: I got to see the Braves do that before I

1013
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do it. And I think because of

1014
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: all of that, like they got they went down that

1015
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: they went down. I don't I don't know how far

1016
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: they went down the hole on Garrett Crochet, but like

1017
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: they were in on Crochet as a trade guy for instance,

1018
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: Like I think Alex is more willing to do that

1019
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: and trade for a bigger ticket pitcher than he is

1020
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: to give out one of these deals. Maybe I'll be wrong,

1021
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be a sea change this year. We don't

1022
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: really know, but man, I it feels to me like

1023
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: the most likely.

1024
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: Scenario is that Alex signs one of these guys in

1025
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: the like Merrill, Kelly, Chris Bassett range and people are

1026
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: gonna hate it, I understand, or goes out in trades

1027
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: for a Sonny Gray or an expensive starter who is

1028
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: Isny it Isnny Gray into every single show this offseason.

1029
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep track. But a Sonny Gray type where

1030
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: you might have a more favorite contract, but then you

1031
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: have to give up prospects of hum degree. This is

1032
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: all a sliding scale calculus for the front office of

1033
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: do we want to give a big contract, do we

1034
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: want to give up a draft pick? Do we want

1035
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: to give up prospects in the trade? You know, I

1036
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: would like to think that Alex in his office has

1037
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: a giant whiteboard with the names of like thirty starting

1038
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: pitchers who are either definitely available or might be available,

1039
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: and just try to find that sweet spot of what

1040
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: makes the most sense for this team.

1041
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: I have a quick question. I probably will move on

1042
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: if you have two choices. Okay, you have to trade

1043
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: for Sunny Gray, giving up something, not a crazy package,

1044
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: he's only he's an old but like you're giving up

1045
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: something a value, not a total home run zero return trade.

1046
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: You do that given what he is owed, which is

1047
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: thirty five million this year, and then a club option

1048
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: or you sign let's just say Merril Kelly's is just

1049
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: that's the game. Merril Kelly to two years thirty million,

1050
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: which one which one of those, would you want to

1051
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: do Marrick Kelly. Marrick Kelly is half the price, Sonny

1052
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Gray is better? Which one? Which one of those would

1053
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: you want to do in a vacuum?

1054
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 2: So, I mean, part of my answer is how much

1055
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: money would Saint Louis throw in. I'm I'm not paying.

1056
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm not paying Sonny Grade thirty five million bucks? All right?

1057
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: I actually I actually would, but only if they just

1058
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: gave him, gave him to me, Like if you said,

1059
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: if if they called me right now, and I'm Milex. Granted,

1060
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: it's not our money. We always say that, but it's

1061
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: not our money. And Alex said, we'll take Sonny Gray

1062
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: and we'll pay all the money, but we're not giving

1063
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: you anything back. Like you can have you can have

1064
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: our one hundred and thirty fourth ranked prospects that we

1065
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: have a player in the contract, a player on the deal.

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Speaker 1: But like, if you want to, if you want us

1067
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Speaker 1: pay his money, that's it. That's the return as you

1068
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: get off his money. I would, by the way, I

1069
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: would do that now. Granted, part of that's because I

1070
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: like the fact that it's only one year and the

1071
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Braves do have some solar flexibility. But we're down the

1072
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. But it's interesting have a because it's like, hey,

1073
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: you and I like Sonny Gray. You love Sonny Gray,

1074
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: but he does make a lot of money.

1075
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: He does. I think my answer to your question is,

1076
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: with the assumption the Cardinals would cover some of Sonny

1077
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: Gray's salary, I would rather go out and trade a

1078
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: middle to your prospect or two for Gray than add

1079
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: Merrill Kelly, because I think Gray is a better picture,

1080
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: has more upside all of those things.

1081
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: But you don't know.

1082
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: I mean that that's of course. The one thing we

1083
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: don't know is what are the asking prices in dollars

1084
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: and in prospects? And you know, I think my hope

1085
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: is they just add someone. They have to add somebody.

1086
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: Brad Oh, you and I agree wholeheardly on that every

1087
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: time we do this, someone in the comments is going

1088
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: to be like, well, the Braves have so and so

1089
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: and so and so, whether I promise you we know

1090
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: who they have in the organization, they still need a picture.

1091
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: They might need to so yes, we can talk about

1092
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: guys like on a lower level, we'll fly through these

1093
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I like Tower Mallley as a like cheap version of

1094
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: these players, like a one year, twelve million dollar or

1095
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: two years for twenty kind of guy who is a

1096
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: discount Chris Bassett like I like Tyler Mallley as a pitcher,

1097
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: which is why I'm saying that. Another name I throw

1098
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: out there, Brad Keller I've been describing as this year's

1099
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: Bernaldo Lopez, and what I mean by that is a

1100
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: former starter term reliever who kind of might start again,

1101
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: and he probably won't be as good as Ronaldo was

1102
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: in his first year starting again when he had like

1103
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: a two yar, But Brad Keller is kind of like

1104
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: that swingy guy, and the Braves some success with this

1105
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of pitcher. Ronaldo, of course, Grant Holmes last year

1106
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: was kind of this, this realm of player. I would

1107
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: not be surprised to see the Braves in on brad

1108
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: Keller and his projections are like eleven or twelve million

1109
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: dollars a year, which is not nothing, but that's a

1110
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: reasonable asking price for a swing pitcher.

1111
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I think one of the trade rumors writers

1112
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: actually pick the Braves to sign brad Keller. So maybe

1113
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: a player worth going in and digging in on. Maybe

1114
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: we'll do a deeper die than obviously if we ever

1115
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: hear a rumor that the Braves are in on Keller,

1116
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: then we will know.

1117
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: At some point we're going to dive into all these

1118
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: guys more than we have today. We're trying to coach

1119
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: on the entire list, which is why we're flying through

1120
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: these guys. But yeah, we will do some some segments

1121
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: on these guys as it become interesting to us.

1122
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would hope the Braves name higher than

1123
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: a Tyler Molly or a Brad Keller. But maybe they

1124
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: can add two pictures Brad. We we don't know how

1125
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: much money they have to spend.

1126
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like it if they if the second

1127
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: guy they added was Tyler Mallley or Brad Keller, That's

1128
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: kind of what I would be trying to do if

1129
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: I was the Braves. But lastly, before we got here,

1130
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 1: there were six names of high leverage relievers that got

1131
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: real contracts, just in order of money. Edwin Diaz, who

1132
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: I think is not going to be a Braves guy

1133
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, follow by Devon Williams, Robert Suarez,

1134
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: Braves own rysel Iglesias, Ryan Helsley, and Pete Fairbanks. Those

1135
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: six guys are like real high end relievers with real

1136
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: high end dollars attached to them, anyone I want to

1137
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: talk about those six guys. Russell's obviously is someone to

1138
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: point out. So Russell is two years and between nine

1139
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: and thirteen million dollars annually is three projections? Sounds right

1140
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: to me for Ryssel Glaziers.

1141
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds of that group like the best bargain.

1142
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: And also just familiarity with Iglesias, especially the way he

1143
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 2: finished the year. I mean, of this group, I think

1144
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: Iglesias is the most interesting. You know, Devin Williams. So

1145
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: if Devin Williams gets four years and sixty eight million dollars,

1146
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: which is what trade rumors thinks, no, no thanks, I'll

1147
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: pick unless the Braves have like one hundred million dollars

1148
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 2: to spend this offseason, but I don't think that's likely.

1149
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: That being said, if Devin Williams gets two years and

1150
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: twenty four million, or even three years and forty five million,

1151
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: which is what Fangrafts and ESPN say, I would take

1152
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: Devin Williams all day long as the new closer for

1153
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: this team. My guess I lean more towards him getting

1154
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: like four years and sixty seventy million dollars. I don't

1155
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: think he's going to be a bargain, but an interesting name.

1156
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz does not feel.

1157
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: Like a Brave.

1158
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: I do like Robert Suarez, and we've heard the Braves

1159
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: are interested in Robert Suarez.

1160
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: He's he's interesting.

1161
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: Another player, kind of like Williams, where if his market

1162
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: is crazy, I'd probably pass and go for Iglesias, but

1163
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: if Suarez is reasonable, sign me up. But similarly, there

1164
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: are some closures here who have real intrigue I think,

1165
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: and I could see a handful of them being Braves

1166
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: come opening day on March twenty seventh.

1167
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: I know that it worked, but with Brycel and the

1168
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: years and dollars that it took on for Risel, I

1169
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: will acknowledge that that deal fully worked for the Braves.

1170
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: Outside of about six weeks this year, that worked really well.

1171
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: I'll acknowledge that I am not in favor of the

1172
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: four year, big money reliever contracts. Yeah, in general, I'm

1173
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: not someone who wants to sign those contracts. So if

1174
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: you're right, if the biting gets to that point on

1175
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: any of these guys, I probably out, but I would

1176
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: be in favor of them signing one of these guys,

1177
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: whether it's a Glacis back or Hellsley has some Braves history.

1178
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants to become of the

1179
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: Braves organizationally, we'll see. Pete Fairbanks was a name that

1180
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: was kind of a surprise to be available. He had

1181
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: a club option, right, I live as a club option

1182
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: with the race that they decline kind of surprisingly so

1183
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: that big guy. I would definitely give nine to ten

1184
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: million dollars a year or two. I'd be in on that.

1185
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: But the Braves are you know, listen to Sean Stephen

1186
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: for a deeper, deeper dive on this. But the Braves

1187
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: did they signaled something by not picking up Kenley and

1188
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Pierce the other day. And I don't know if that's

1189
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: a signal that Alex is changing his ways finally to

1190
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: not have so much money in the bullpen, or if

1191
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: they're going to turn around and spend it on Roberts Warez.

1192
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it means something. We'll see, we'll

1193
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: find out.

1194
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: Those non tender decisions or the declining of the options

1195
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: were fascinating. I don't know what Alex is thinking with

1196
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: his bullpen, and truthfully, it is so thin out there

1197
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 2: right now. You have Dylanly who's good, no real questions

1198
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: about Dolly. You have Johamanez coming off major knee surgery,

1199
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: didn't pitch last year, and you have Aaron Bummer who

1200
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: was coming off a shoulder problem that cost him the

1201
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: final month of the year. And that's about it, Brad,

1202
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and now that you have to have your

1203
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: whole bullpen figured out by Thanksgiving. But it is pretty

1204
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: thin out there. I know they have a couple of

1205
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: guys in the system who might be in play for

1206
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: jobs next year, especially if they need to move some

1207
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: money around. And I do agree wholeheartedly. I don't want

1208
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: to carry a seventy million dollar bullpen next year, even

1209
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: a fifty or sixty million dollar bullpen.

1210
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been one of our it's mine. I'll speak

1211
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: to myself. It's been one of my hiccups with Alex

1212
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: over the years. I think they have spent too much

1213
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: on the bullpen generally speaking, and they it worked at times.

1214
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: But it's funny that the famous night Shifts bullpen wasn't expensive.

1215
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: Will Smith was expensive, but the guys who made up

1216
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: that group that year when it caught lighting in a

1217
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: bottle and it was Matt Sick and Luke. Those guys

1218
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: weren't expensive. Yeah, it's in Bullen. Bullpen's are really of

1219
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: all old it man, they just are.

1220
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: Will Smith got a big contract, even ken Lee Janssen.

1221
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: What was Kenley's contract? Like one year? And there was

1222
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: a lot of eighteen million I think. I mean, so

1223
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: is it an organizational and a mindset shift for Enthoughptless

1224
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: with the bullpen or did he not want to guarantee

1225
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars to two good but non elite relievers.

1226
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: And again, you can always give Tyler Kenley a call

1227
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks and work on something. Maybe

1228
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: Alex is thinking, hey, let me get my closer figured

1229
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: out and then I'll figure out what I want to

1230
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: do with spots five, six and seven in my bullpen.

1231
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: We agree on that, Scott. Anything else you want to

1232
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: add this is obviously we covered a lot of ground here.

1233
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: We purposely wanted to touch on all of the guys

1234
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: that were kind of interesting. We will have deeper dives

1235
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: on these players, I promise you. If there you already

1236
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: allude to this. But there is a rumor like a

1237
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: real report on any player. We'll talk about the player

1238
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: almost certainly on the show and obviously beside anybody. That'll

1239
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: be a deep dive and an mercy podcast. But anything

1240
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: else to add for you go.

1241
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a long show, Brad, it was coming

1242
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: up on an hour.

1243
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: It's Sunday night. This is what we do on Sunday nights.

1244
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: We're just talking about We're not watching Falcons highlights.

1245
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: So listen, listen, listen. Uh, you know, Okay, I'll let

1246
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: it go. It's fine. I'm sorry.

1247
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 2: I had to get that jab in. I have nothing

1248
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: else to add. I hope the Braves go out and

1249
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: sign one or two or three of the players we

1250
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: just talked about, or make trades, go out improve this team.

1251
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: I really don't know what to make of them saying

1252
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: no to those couple of believers. And maybe they're stockpiling

1253
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of cash and they want to go out

1254
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: and add a couple of high named players. Maybe it's

1255
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: going to be a repeat of last offseason and they're

1256
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: gonna pinch pennies. That's a terrifying scenario. The other scenario

1257
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: sounds like a lot of fun, and that's the one

1258
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: I would go with.

1259
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: It does sound more fun to spending money on players

1260
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: when it's not our money in particular. That's right. With

1261
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: nothing else to add baseball wise, and we will have

1262
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: more to talk about. I promise you. I will just

1263
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: leave you with one Atlanta Falcons that on the way

1264
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: out the door. The Atlanta Falcons have not a lots

1265
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 1: more games in a row, but they in the last

1266
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: three games. The Falcons are three for twenty nine. On

1267
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: third down, Scott, thank you for being here. I appreciate

1268
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: you being here, even though you're a Colts fan. Has

1269
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: been a wake since six in the morning. This is

1270
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: watch your tea Bay in Berlin. For reasons passing understanding.

1271
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: Go Colts again, not today, but go Colts again. I

1272
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: root for your happiness, Scott, just not today. Thank you

1273
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: sir for being here. Ask for everybody else. We appreciate

1274
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: you being here genuinely on the podcast. Subscribe to Hammer

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