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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. I'm Robert Evans, podcast host who as

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Speaker 1: that just does not land. I like the drawball one,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I like that, Thank you. Billy

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Speaker 1: Wayne Davis my guest today. You can pop to comedian

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Speaker 1: my ship comes up at Billy Wayne Davis. We're getting

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a plug from you each time.

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Speaker 1: I am getting better at promotion. Thank you man. We're

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Speaker 1: watching you learn in real time. Representatives say it helps

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Speaker 1: with the money, sort of like how Gary Young learned

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Speaker 1: pretending to be a doctor, as long as you don't

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Speaker 1: on registered surgery. Yes. Yeah, So there are numerous large

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Speaker 1: all thanks to Gary Young's vision and the staggering success

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Speaker 1: of Young Living. Now within the industry, Young Living differentiates

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Speaker 1: Most compelling of these allegations claimed from a former if

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what he got. So the writer's issue with

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Speaker 1: walls is called oxygen. Now, I'm not a big science guy.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like a controversial statement to me because I'm dumb.

427
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Speaker 1: But Dr Eva makes a good point quote. Animals do

428
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Speaker 1: not have cell walls. The most basic high school biology

429
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Speaker 1: courses teach that only bacteria and plants have cell walls.

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Speaker 1: Animals do have cell membranes. Gary. Quote, you see in

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Speaker 1: the human body, we have a substance called blood, and

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Speaker 1: that blood has a very specific purpose. That purpose is

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Speaker 1: to transport nutrients to We've got what we go what

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Speaker 1: in there. The purpose is to transport nutrients to the

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Speaker 1: cells to nurture and feed the cells. When we look

436
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Speaker 1: at essential oils, they have the same role and play

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Speaker 1: the same function in the plant as blood does in

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Speaker 1: the human body. That one even idol, that's not what

439
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: they do. But let's hear from Dr Eva. Essential oils

440
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: do not transport nutrients to plant cells, flow him transport

441
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: ports nutrients to plants, and xylem transports water. Examples of

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00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: the functions of essential oils and plants may include attracting

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00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 1: beneficial organisms such as pollinators, or repelling organisms that might

444
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: eat or infect the plant, which is why citrinella does.

445
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: It's like third and fourth grade. So that's real fucking basic. Yeah,

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00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: that's but he's he's really calling people's bluff, that's what

447
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: he's doing. Because you're not going to check that out

448
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: if you're signing up to be a distributor in an MLM. No,

449
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: you're just not. That's I wouldn't have caught the cell

450
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: walls thing because it's been too long, and all I

451
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: remember is that the fucking mitochondria is the powerhouse of

452
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Speaker 1: the cell. We both Yeah, the essential oil thing where

453
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: it takes it. You're like immediately like, I don't think

454
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Speaker 1: that's how I don't think that's how that works. I

455
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: can't correct you on how it works, but I know

456
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Speaker 1: that you're full of sheep. If you're telling me this

457
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Speaker 1: thing that burns when I put it on my skin

458
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Speaker 1: is the same as blood. It's plant blood. Yeah, it's

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00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: a plant blood. Yeah, that's true. I either feel like

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Speaker 1: you're a doctor. Now, where's your baby again? I keep

461
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: I keep coming actually killed his own baby thing, but

462
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it's really worth dwhile, like, well, it's

463
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: also that thing, like the reviewers said, the ladies like,

464
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: I read all these awful things about this man and

465
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: I just didn't believe them. And it's like, well, there's

466
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: newspaper articles from the eighties talking about that one. Well,

467
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: but she does raise a good point. She's like, if

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00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: you don't, why isn't he in jail? And it is like,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. One that is a good question. Probably

470
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: ought to be in jail. But it sounds like also

471
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: he always gets fine, like ten thousand dollars seems to

472
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: be reoccurring fee. So he's like an old hippie where

473
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: he just carries around ten grand for bail money. He's like,

474
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: this will get me, hippie. He's like, they'll throw you

475
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: in jail and Arkansas. So always have safty five bucks

476
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: in Massa. Now go to Mexico, be a doctor a game. Yeah,

477
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: they don't want anything. Distributors at the lowest level of

478
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: the young living hierarchy members never rise higher than that.

479
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: The top of this legally distinct from a pyramid, are

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Speaker 1: people at the Royal Crown Diamond level, who make up

481
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: less than one tenth of one percent of young living.

482
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Speaker 1: Many of the speeches at the convention that The New

483
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: Yorker went to were delivered by diamond level distributors, who

484
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: earn a median monthly income of two dollars. Now, almost

485
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: no one at young Living reaches that level. The few

486
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: who do essentially act as posters for what might be

487
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: possible to the hopeful masses. One of the diamond level

488
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: speakers that the New Yorker writer met built her business

489
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: upple working as a TV anchor. In other words, she

490
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: had a platform completely impractical distributors to ever build. Help. Yeah,

491
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: here's what she said to the assembled people with the convention.

492
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: There's nothing holding you back but yourself. We all have

493
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Speaker 1: the same oils, were all the same twenty four hours

494
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Speaker 1: in the day. The only ones who don't make it

495
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: to diamond are the ones who give up. Anybody in

496
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: this room can do it. Very basic MLM stuff. It's

497
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: it's your lack of effort. Yeah, it is your lack

498
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Speaker 1: of effort. If you do not succeed with this not

499
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: in your built in broadcasting. Yeah, now, I'm sure you're

500
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: not surprised to learn Young Livings two million active members

501
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: made less than a dollar in two thousand and sixteen. Meanwhile,

502
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: most Royal Crown Diamond distributors made more than a million

503
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: a year. Most people would call this a pyramid, but

504
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: it technically isn't for reasons lawyers could argue in court.

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00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: At the two seventeen Fulfill Your Destiny convention, Gary Young

506
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: made his entrance by writing into the convention center on

507
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: a sled pulled by huskies. The year before he flew

508
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: in on a zip line. These garish introductions were necessary.

509
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: He was trying to hype up the launch of new

510
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: oil blends in two thousand seventeen. That blend was also

511
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Speaker 1: called Fulfill Your Destiny. Thirty four dollars would get you

512
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: five million leads of black pepper, blue Spruce and Franken's

513
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: black Pepper. Well, if you throw that in with the

514
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: frank Consense, which actually does Frankinsense has some medicinal properties too.

515
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: Cool stuff that you can do with Frankinsense. Not this way.

516
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Gary claimed that this would open up your pineal gland. No, no, no, no,

517
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: DMT opens the ship at it. I was going to say,

518
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: it's like, if he's got if he's selling d m T,

519
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm interested. And if you say if he's if he's

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00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: making some fucking essential oil at a mimosa hostiles root bark,

521
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: then I'll be like, okay, brother, Yeah, that'll open your

522
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: fucking pioneer up. Do smoke it out of a crack pipe? Yes, Now,

523
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I guess we should be grateful. He didn't try to

524
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: inject any of this to do his patience via IVY,

525
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: although he probably did in an Ecuador. Starting in the

526
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: mid ots, franken sence became an increasing focus for Gary

527
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Young and his company. He was apparently inspired by a

528
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: trip to a market in Oman where he saw thousands

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00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: of bags of frankensance resident in the streets. He built

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Speaker 1: a distillery in Salala and in two thousand ten opened

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Speaker 1: the first modern frankinsence distillery in the world. There's just

532
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: one problem with that. Producing essential oils and industrial capacity

533
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: requires vastly more franknstance resident than the world's existing trees

534
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: can supply. According to Antinette de Carlo, an environmental scientists

535
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: focused on the plant Young livings demand threatens entire ecosystems

536
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: in the Middle East and North Africa. So so I'm

537
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: trying to save some people I needed to make me

538
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: rich from my abundance oil. This is actually a crucially important, important,

539
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: and undertold part of the essential oil story. Despite their

540
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: Earth friendly IMAGH can focus on pictures of wholesome farms,

541
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Young living in its competitors are something of an environmental plague.

542
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Before Gary Young, essential oils were a thing, but they

543
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: weren't particularly popular. Tens of millions of people were not

544
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: constantly dolloping their body in frankinstance and mirror and oregano

545
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: and lemon peel. The market for these products has increased

546
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: tenfold in just the last couple of decades, and producing

547
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: essential oils is not easy on Mother Earth. The Earth

548
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Speaker 1: Island Journal notes quote in order to produce a single

549
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: pound of essential oil, enormous quantities of plants are required.

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00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: Ten thousand pounds of rose petals, fifty pounds of lavender,

551
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: six thousand pounds of melissa plant, fred lemons, and so forth.

552
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: It sounds like r Kelly Studio orders, Yeah, it kind

553
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: of does. We need more ross, we need more roast petals.

554
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: So where do all these thousands and thousands of thousands

555
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: of plants come from quote, the majority of popular essential

556
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: oils companies source their raw materials from corporate farms that

557
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: turn out large quantities of plants. As with the cultivation

558
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: of products on many large farms, pesticide usually just common,

559
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: and there's currently no organic certifications specifically for essential oils,

560
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: which large companies like Young Living and do Terris site

561
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: as a reason for foregoing organic certification altogether, and the

562
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: end consumers are left largely on their own when it

563
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: comes to discovering which pesticides are used on crops that

564
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: are used for essential oils, especially since most companies aren't

565
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: voluntarily giving up that information. You're putting pesticides on your body,

566
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: which is also true if you're smoking weed. By the way,

567
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: just haven't been out to a lot of those farms.

568
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: You can't trust when they say there's not pesticides on

569
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: them unless you know the grower, you can't. Yeah, there's

570
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: pesticides on all of them. Dan, I've been through so

571
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: many of those fields. And if you they wear they

572
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: wear tai vex suits to spray them down, they look

573
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: like like there there's chemicals on all of it. And

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00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: you know how you can tell if it's got it

575
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: on there, it let harsh burn after you smoke it.

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00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: Because if you go to Eugene where they do all

577
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: the organic stuff, it does not have that. And there's

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00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: still even then they still have to wear the suits

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: because they're using like sulfur and stuff rather than the

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00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: chemical for like pesticides, Like you still have to keep

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Speaker 1: the pests off it, like it just depends on what

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: you use for it. They use different bugs too sometime. Yeah,

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00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: you can't let fucking mites get on those things. You

584
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: lose tens of thousands of dollars in a day. Crazy.

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00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: You know what else is crazy? The value of the

586
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: products and services that are about to be advertised to

587
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: your ears. We're back, we're talking about essential oils now.

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00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: It is possible that Young Living, the company founded by

589
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: a man who drowned his own baby on accident repeatedly

590
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: impersonated a doctor, hold itself to the most stringent safety

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00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and environmental standards. Fun fact, Young Living recently pled guilty

592
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: to illegally trafficking rosewood oil and from Peru, where the

593
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: plant is a threatened species. The company was also found

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00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: to be illegally sourcing Spicknard oil from Nepal. There were

595
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: fined three and a half million dollars. That's not the

596
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: only regulatory trouble the company got into, of course. In

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00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, Gary Young's business ran a foul of

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Speaker 1: the f D. A quote from the FDA based on

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Speaker 1: our review, FDA is determined that many of your Young

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Speaker 1: Living essential oil products such as, but not limited to,

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Speaker 1: thebes cinnamon, bark A, regano immune, new power, rosemary, myrtle, sandalwood, eucalyptus,

602
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: blue peppermint, you laying, laying frankinstance, and orange are promoted

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00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: for conditions that cause them to be drugs under Section

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Speaker 1: two O one G one B of the Federal Food

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00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: Drug and Cosmetic Act because they are intended for use

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00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: in diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease. Now,

607
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: the FDA pulls some specific examples of the most egregious

608
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: lies literally printed in Young Living brochures and on their products.

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00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: Among those lies, Young Living seemed hell bent on convincing

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00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: its consumers that their essential oils could prevent a bola. Quote.

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00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Viruses including a bowla are no match for Young Living

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00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: essential oils under the subheading top oil choices for viruses.

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00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Top on my list is Thieves. Thieves is highly antimicrobial.

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00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: It could help against a bola and a BOWLA virus

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00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: cannot live in the presence of cinnamon, bark nor a regano.

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00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: Good to know. Interesting, somebody, somebody should maybe let all

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00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: those people in Africa no that they just need more cinnamon. Yeah,

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: that's that's drop cinnamon. It's that sprinkle it. It's just

619
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: god damn it. It's it's that saying about famous people,

620
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: like if they were nice before they got famous, they're

621
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna be extra nice when they're famous. If they were

622
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: like whatever they like before they were famous. It's like,

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00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: it's the same about these motherfucker's where they're like they're

624
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: shitty on whatever level, and then they get access and money,

625
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna be shitty on this giant Yeah,

626
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: they're just it just gets bigger where they're sucking up

627
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: countries instead of states. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what they do.

628
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Like they start with like sucking up their own life

629
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Speaker 1: and drowning their baby in a hot tub, and then

630
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: move on to fucking up ecosystems and convincing millions of

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Speaker 1: people that they can cirabola with cinnamon. That's exactly what

632
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: they're doing. Yeah. Now, young living has its own experts,

633
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: like a Roman therapist David Stewart, who argued that doctors

634
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: like Eva Briggs and those hacks at the FDA don't

635
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: understand the essential oils have their own divine intelligence which

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Speaker 1: allowed them to heal without harming people, providing ourselves with

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Speaker 1: everything ourselves need. What's that you don't that seems based

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Speaker 1: I just about I just want to I need to

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Speaker 1: sum up and say out loud what I think that

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Speaker 1: that person just said was that essential oils have their

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Speaker 1: own they they're choosing to heal you. Yeah, so they're sentient. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it seems like it. Well, i'll read the quote. I'll

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Speaker 1: read the quote from David Stewart, and you let me

644
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Speaker 1: know what it seems like. He's the molecules of a

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Speaker 1: therapeutic great essential oil form a harmonious, coherent, functional family

646
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: designed and intended to serve us and heal us according

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Speaker 1: to the highest will of their creator and our creator,

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Speaker 1: who is one and the same God, which really ties

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Speaker 1: into what you're saying about the owner's manual and him

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Speaker 1: thinking he's God. Because he's the one making all this bullshit.

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Speaker 1: He thinks it's his manual. It's his manual. Wow, you

652
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Speaker 1: got knocked in the head and now he's God. We

653
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: really really should do more research on head injuries. Now,

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Speaker 1: just got if something happy, you gotta watch them. That

655
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that anything. A lot of people have them.

656
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Speaker 1: They're fine. I I want to be doctors and politicians

657
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Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with it, but keep an eye

658
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Speaker 1: on it. If they keep pretending to be a doctor

659
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: and maybe drowned their baby, keep an eye on some

660
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Speaker 1: of them. I wanted to get an idea of exactly

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Speaker 1: how Gary himself built the scientific efficacy of his essential oils.

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Speaker 1: I found a video of him from the mid Odds.

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Speaker 1: In it, he and his interview are standing in a

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Speaker 1: snowy forest. He has a chainsaw in his hands, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna watch this video. And I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that the video's turned towards him, so you should

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Speaker 1: see g G. Young. I got a robot ax. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you how balsom wood works and so exquisite.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about the health properties of falsome oil? Oh,

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Speaker 1: it is Terry. It's very exciting. Because first I did

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Speaker 1: the studies seven years ago you talking before him, and

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Speaker 1: that as phenomenal because as we know, cortisol is a

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Speaker 1: hormone in the body and is referred to as a

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Speaker 1: death hormone. The cortisol is what makes us age prematurely,

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Speaker 1: is what reduces the immune system or a compromise immune system.

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Speaker 1: Cortosol levels are always high. We also see that people

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Speaker 1: who experience depression have high levels of cortosol. When the

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Speaker 1: body is high with cortisol, it also produces high acid levels.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, there's something that this falsive oil besides

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Speaker 1: other things that I was looking for. So we started

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Speaker 1: doing a study in the clinic and lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: we discovered that just breathing the aroma from the oil

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Speaker 1: through the distillation was lowering cortisol. So, god damn it,

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Speaker 1: can I can I describe the First of all, he's

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Speaker 1: dressed like a lumberjack, like straight up lumberjack, including holding

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Speaker 1: a chain. He's holding a like a commercial chainsaw, like

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a and he's but he's just he's

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Speaker 1: leaning on it. He's not actually holding he's leaning on

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Speaker 1: in the way that you don't with a commercial chainsaw.

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Speaker 1: If you're a lumberjack, it's just a very what and

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Speaker 1: what he's describing is very confusing to what he's presenting visually.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what like? Because he's also describing like

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Speaker 1: like he's a doctor, but he looks like a lumberjack,

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Speaker 1: lumber He looks like he's about to finish this interview

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Speaker 1: for his company's official video and then start shopping some trees.

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Speaker 1: He's like, we got some work today. We're down in

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Speaker 1: my n didn't call in, but here, how you got

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Speaker 1: a little lump. I'll take care of it tomorrow. You

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Speaker 1: know what, I got this chainsaw? Why don't I just

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Speaker 1: give it a try? Well? And it also like lets

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Speaker 1: me in. I had this picture of like a more

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Speaker 1: of a schmoozy salesman type, but he's not. He's got

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Speaker 1: this earnest way about him. I can see why people

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Speaker 1: who don't know anything about medicine would find him convincing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because he's not a yeah, he's not like what you'd

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Speaker 1: think to snake oil salesman would be. No, he's not

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Speaker 1: like Lyle Lanley like he's he seems like he's like

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Speaker 1: like a like a he seems like a like a

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Speaker 1: country doctor, like a doctor who would like work in

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Speaker 1: a town that is a one room schoolhouse. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: he's yeah, no, he does. Like he reminds me of

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Speaker 1: like one of my grandpa's friends who's like also a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: but also with a dairy farmer, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of those people out in the sticks who does

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Speaker 1: farming and also does like a like serious professional trade

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Speaker 1: like medicine or like he does he look he feels

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Speaker 1: like probably because he grew up around a bunch of

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Speaker 1: those people and decided to do that, but without going

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Speaker 1: to school. Well, that's that's what I was just thinking.

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Speaker 1: Like while we were talking ab, I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's what has happened, is a tree's fell on his head.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have the ability, but he has picked up

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Speaker 1: on this kind of hokey how they present. Probably after

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Speaker 1: the tree fell on him, the county doctor came over

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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: imprinted on him. Yes, that's who he was around the most.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be a doctor now. Boy, we figured

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Speaker 1: him out. We figured him out, but we figured him out.

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Speaker 1: This kind of rhetoric and these claims of great healing

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Speaker 1: potential have consequences. The Atlantic Institute is a pro essential

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Speaker 1: oil romatherapy organization, but one that urges responsible use of

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Speaker 1: the substances rather than treating them as cure alls with

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Speaker 1: their own divine intelligence. I found a fun two thousand

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Speaker 1: fourteen article where they list the ten worst side effects

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Speaker 1: suffered by people misapplying essential oils. Most of them sound

735
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Speaker 1: utterly terrifying but fairly minor, like this quote undeluded oil

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Speaker 1: on mouth source between twenty and thirty five drops of

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Speaker 1: essential oil on canker source and mouth or tongue after

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Speaker 1: being told it was safe. This resulted in a trip

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Speaker 1: to the e er because of racing, heart panicking, gagging,

740
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: dry heating, extremely hot, fever, dizzy, sick, and higher blood pressure.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was going to die. Yes, he did,

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Speaker 1: I bet you did. Don't do that. I did the

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Speaker 1: thing and then I died. Yeah that I almost died. Well,

744
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: we're getting to that now. The most serious side effect

745
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Speaker 1: they found evidence of came from somebody dosing themselves with

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Speaker 1: what is known in the crazy part of the essential

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Speaker 1: oil community as a morphine bob. Now this does not

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Speaker 1: include morphine, which I would be ordering it right now

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Speaker 1: if it did. This is a mix of balsam fur oil,

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Speaker 1: the oil Gary was talking about in that video with Coobiba,

751
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: which I have not heard of. In frankinstance, the most

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Speaker 1: prominent recipe I found for the morphine bomb was by

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Speaker 1: Kalin Backs, a distributor with Young Living Essential Oils. All

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Speaker 1: the oils and the recipe are of course made by

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Speaker 1: Young Living. Well of the picture of her recipe up

756
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Speaker 1: on the site. Here's what one person experienced after taking

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Speaker 1: a morphine bomb for extreme pain. Quote. The advertised it

758
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: could be used via inhalation on skin or ingested. I

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Speaker 1: trusted this combination would alleviate my pain due to their claims.

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00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: Within a few hours of adjesting the oils, I began

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00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: having racing hearts, shortness of breath, pressure in my chest

762
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: that radiated to my back, up my left jaw, and

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Speaker 1: down my left arm. The symptoms continued and I eventually

764
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: experienced cold switch and nausea. The symptoms did not go away.

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Speaker 1: I went to a hospital. They gave me an e

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Speaker 1: k G bloodwork in a cat scan, they determined I

767
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: was having a heart attack. I remained hospitalized for three

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Speaker 1: days and underwent a heart catheterization. Thank god Gary Young

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Speaker 1: was not catheterizing that heart. I can do no I

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Speaker 1: know what to do. Let me get my chainsaw. Let

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Speaker 1: me just root around on that for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You got any fishing line? I learned this an Ecuador.

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00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: They's got that like waste. Like he knew what he

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Speaker 1: was talking about. It was clear he did not. It

775
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: was clear blood shot out like that. On the subject

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Speaker 1: of the amazing ability of essential oils to divinely analyze

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Speaker 1: your health and provide yourselves with everything they need and

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Speaker 1: nothing they don't, I found a read at a m

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Speaker 1: A with a former Young Living employee. This employee claimed

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Speaker 1: obliquely that Gary Young pressured his employees about how to

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Speaker 1: vote in two thousand and sixteen. Yeah quote. One of

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Speaker 1: the biggest stories I heard was that he called a

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Speaker 1: company wide meeting around election season and basically told everybody

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Speaker 1: that they should be voting for a certain political candidate.

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Speaker 1: Won't mention who. This does not need to be a

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Speaker 1: political debate. Many people were scared that they would lose

787
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: their job if they didn't vote a certain way, so

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Speaker 1: it took an assurance from the executive team, not Gary,

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Speaker 1: to ease everyone's minds. So I don't know who he

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Speaker 1: was urging him to vote for. Theories I have inclination.

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Speaker 1: I have an inclination because it feels like a tactic

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Speaker 1: that the certain politician would. It does feel like that,

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00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: it does feel like that. This employee had also had

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Speaker 1: several hilarious stories of these divine oils badly injuring people. Quote.

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Speaker 1: The greatest story you have to tell us about when

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00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: I had a woman who called in because she read

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00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: something that putting that oregano in her sports brawl would

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Speaker 1: help her losing weight. Ended up with her burning her breasts,

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Speaker 1: reported the FDA, and was given a full refund. FDA

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00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: is literally breathing out the company's next so they're very compliance. Quote.

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Speaker 1: One of the worst adverse reaction cases we had was

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Speaker 1: when a guy's wife had followed another boss babe's recipe

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Speaker 1: for eye drops that included thieves and peppermint oil. The

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00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: poor guy was given the drops and not only did

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00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: it burn to high help, but the guy's eye was

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00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: to put it simply a color it never should have been. Drops.

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Speaker 1: These are better than what the doctor gave you now.

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00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: Boss babes is a term people in that subreddit, which

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00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: is focused on like m l M S and stuff,

810
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: used to describe people like the lady who wrote that

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Speaker 1: fonding review of Gary Young's autobiography, or the lady who

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00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: wrote the morphine bomb recipe. They are women, mostly young mothers,

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Speaker 1: who attempt and occasionally succeed in building distribution networks for

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Speaker 1: young living products. Many of these people wind up desperate

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Speaker 1: to move product, which is what leads them to stretch

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00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: further and further the sort of claims they make about

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Speaker 1: what exactly essential oils can do. One question or in

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Speaker 1: the Reddit threat asks quote, why do these oil MLM's

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Speaker 1: promote putting the stuff on animals when many are knowingly

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00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: toxic to animals? Is corporate okay with the claims that

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Speaker 1: this stuff is fine to use on animals, to which

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Speaker 1: the op replied quote their stance as very confusing, as

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Speaker 1: they would not shut down recipients for animals, but they

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Speaker 1: also would heavily promote their animal line of products that

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Speaker 1: they claim would work with some off brand peed instead

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Speaker 1: of suggesting regular oils. I would always tell members that's

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Speaker 1: not saved at all. Though. Now if that's true, this

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Speaker 1: person was distinctly not in line with his company's values

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Speaker 1: and January two, eighteen, women's Facebook post went viral when

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Speaker 1: she warned that she had accidentally poisoned her cat by

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Speaker 1: getting a eucalyptus essential oil diffuser. Eucalyptus, for everyone listening,

832
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Speaker 1: is toxic to cats. Don't keep eucalyptus in your house

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00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: if you've got cats. I don't know if it's bad

834
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Speaker 1: for dogs too, maybe look into that, but it's fucking

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Speaker 1: bad for cats now. The post was shared something like

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Speaker 1: seven thousand times and prompted warnings from the A s

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Speaker 1: p c A about exposing pets to essential oils. BuzzFeed

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Speaker 1: notes quote neither do Terra nor Young Living immediately returned

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Speaker 1: questions from BuzzFeed News about their products and animals. However,

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Speaker 1: on its website, Young Living states that you can absolutely

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Speaker 1: use its products on your animals, So that's great. Absolutely absolutely,

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00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: they may kill them, but you can. You can do it.

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00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: You can, absolutely, but you can. Gary Young died in

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City on May twelve, two eighteen, after a

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Speaker 1: series of terrible strokes that all his essential oils were

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Speaker 1: tragically unable to prevent. He's survived by millions of Young

847
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: Life distributors and in a very real sense, dozens of

848
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: spiritual children who have picked up on his methods and

849
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: created their own dangerous medical scams and Gary Young's own image.

850
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: In June of two thousand eighteen, James Joseph Martin of

851
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: West Sacramento, California was sentenced to one year in jail

852
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: and five years probation after pleading no contest to three

853
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: felony counts of practicing medicine without a license. He had

854
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: been going by the name Dr James Martin d P

855
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: s C. Now, you may not have heard of a

856
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: P s C, D or d p s C. It

857
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: sounds like a PhD uh so most people don't question it.

858
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Here's what the website Credential Watch says, quote. Hundreds of

859
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: practitioners are using the credentials P s C, D or

860
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: dps C and or Doctor of Pastoral Medicine to promote

861
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: their services. These titles come from the Texas based Pastoral

862
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Medicine Association, which licenses practitioners and registers perspective patients as

863
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: members who wish to receive care from these providers. The

864
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: p m A, which is headquartered in Irving, Texas, describes

865
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: itself as a private ecclesiastical membership association with a mission

866
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: to promote scripture based health and wellness concepts. That's yep.

867
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: A lot of the best doctors get their training from

868
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: the scripture, from the scripture exactly, exactly, a lot of

869
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: medicines based on the Old on the Old Testament. So

870
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: that's just great. The directory of doctors who have received

871
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: this degree includes more names. So while Gary Young maybe dead,

872
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: you can rest easy knowing that thousands upon thousands of

873
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: other fake doctors have taken up his mantle and are

874
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: probably delivering children with dangerously little qualifications and oversight right now. Wow,

875
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: just Airbnb doctors air filter out. Is there a hot tub?

876
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: Is there a hot tub we can get we can

877
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: get that baby out of you, ma'am. That is I

878
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: was just thinking, like, is that a mental illness where

879
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: you're like, no, I'm a doctor, where you just like

880
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: I wonder, or is it conniving where you're like they

881
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: go home every day that I can't believe this ship works. Man,

882
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I feel like with Gary it is more

883
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: on the illness side of things, just because when he

884
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: got rich, he didn't stop. If it was just about

885
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: money and wanting to pretend to be a doctor for money,

886
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: why would you be doing surgeries still after you've got

887
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars. Does feel like that's like

888
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: an urge. He really want to be a doctor. I

889
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: won't get in there and fix what's going on. I

890
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: wanna think anything's going on there. Let me get in there,

891
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: Let me get in there. Every now and then, he

892
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: just stared at where I think my appendix was in

893
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: a way that I've only seen men. Look at my tips.

894
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: I want to cut you open. I want to cut

895
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: you open. Let me get an ax. I'm a doctor,

896
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: a doctor. But then he it's frustrating because he's also

897
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: very competent. It's certain things exceptionally so, and then other things.

898
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: No fucking clue at all. No, I'm gonna guess that

899
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: gall bladder surgery and Ecuador did not probably not go well.

900
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: There's still they still tell that story, like when the

901
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: white man came and opened up our cousin. That was

902
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: the crazy. We don't know what he took, but it

903
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: was not his gall blacker is not allowed back in

904
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: this village. If you came from Ecuador and know anything

905
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: about what the funk Gary Young was doing down there,

906
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: please reach out. That would throw us a line. It

907
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: is fun. I mean, how far he went billions? Yeah,

908
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: and what cracks me up. Is like it's just one

909
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: word removed from Snike oil, yeah, which is he was

910
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: literally selling oil that he claimed could cure all your problems,

911
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: but he called it essential and not snake. Yeah. Yeah,

912
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and people are like, just put it on me. Yeah.

913
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: And the focus on oils is in part because it's

914
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: so expensive because if you're actually, if you actually spend

915
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: any amount of time caring about like sort of you know,

916
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: like the non woo bullshit side of like natural plant

917
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: based medicine. You just buy plants. It's very get pounds

918
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: of most of the stuff that does anything good for

919
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: pretty cheap, even if you're using frankensincein a couple of

920
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: bucks for like, like it's not that expensive to get

921
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of it. But essential oils are expensive

922
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: as fuck. The thing. You gotta do the thing and

923
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: then adulterated with a bunch of stuff so it's cheaper

924
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: for you. And then yeah, it's it's an odd scam,

925
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: an odd scam, and they don't work. They don't do it.

926
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Like they're like there's a lot of stuff that like, yeah,

927
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: there's some health benefits to this, but like not to

928
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: the essential oil. There's no evidence that that does anything. Well,

929
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: it's got its own brain and it will figure out

930
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you and it will go to there

931
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: and fix it, which is very similar to fucking Elizabeth Homescap,

932
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: very similar if we're if we're just gonna go. She

933
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: just said it was science. Yeah yeah, and her thing

934
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: was like, for this tiny drop of blood, we'll know

935
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you. My favorite life of hers was

936
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: the we can tell if you ate something bad. Yeah,

937
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: that's the one where I was like, I was like,

938
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: who even I know, Like, that's not how that works, Elizabeth.

939
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: You were you went to school for this for a

940
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: year and a half. Like I spent more time in

941
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: that learning Arabic, and all I can remember is how

942
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: to say United Nations. I took way more than that

943
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: in Spanish, and I can I live in a Spanish neighborhood, yeah,

944
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: barely communicating. Yeah, it's like, I'm gonna guess you don't

945
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: learn all that much about blood science and your first

946
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: two and a half semesters I figured it out. I

947
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: will let one lady's like, no, you didn't know, No,

948
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: you did not, you did not. It's very hard. It

949
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: takes like a decade. I want you to, but you didn't.

950
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: But you don't know what you're talking about. She just

951
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: heisman her, just stiff armed her and moved on and

952
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: then didn't blink at all those old that's what they

953
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: all did. Well, yeah, but that's the same. It's the

954
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: same scam. They're all the same. All of these scammers

955
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: are the same, whether or not they're tricking Joe Biden

956
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: into thinking they're blood testing machines work or tricking single

957
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: moms into thinking that a regular oil is the right

958
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of eye drop to use. Like, they're all the

959
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: same person. Well, and it's like any setback wasn't like

960
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a real setback for them. I think that's the amazing

961
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: mental trick they do. They're very mentally resilient people. Yes, yeah,

962
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: because most people would be like, Okay, what is fucking

963
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: me up here? Yeah? Because I get to a point

964
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: every time and then I have to leave. Oh it's

965
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: because I'm not a doctor, but I seem capable enough

966
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: I could go to medical. I feel like I'm a doctor,

967
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm a dog. I'm a doctor.

968
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep saying it till it's real. It's

969
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: that thing like you were when the secret was a

970
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: big thing. Is that does work, but just for grifters. Yes,

971
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: they're not wrong. You just keep saying you're the present.

972
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: One of these days it'll be true. And it happened.

973
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: It happens. Well that's the thing with Trump too. I

974
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: fascinated with that. I try to remind people like they're like,

975
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: how can you be look that Like, well, his lifestyle

976
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: has never been affected ever, nothing, He's still no matter

977
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: if he loses in court today or whatever. He goes

978
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: to the mansion, gold mansion in the sky. Yeah, it's

979
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: just and has his male wife that he ordered. It's

980
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: like Gary Young, none of his none of that. Getting

981
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: convicted of pretending to be a doctor multiple times never

982
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: was a set. He was just like, let's go where

983
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: it's just find another state. I'm tired of this. I'm

984
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: tired all his gray in rain. Let's go down finally, Well,

985
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: just go to Utah. They don't give a funk what

986
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: you do in Utah. Just keep selling room. I mean

987
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: that's what we live in Hollywood. So yep, yep, yeah,

988
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean this is the thing is like, if you're

989
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: a grifter and you find wind up in Hollywood, it's

990
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: fine because The worst case scenario is you make the

991
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: Boondocks Saints um like or the room or the room. Yeah,

992
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. But like in Silicon Valley it's you make

993
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: a fake blood test and company, and in Utah it's

994
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: you wind up performing on licensed surgery. You're exactly, Yes,

995
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: that is so grifters just moved to l A. Just

996
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: come to l A. The weather is great, it's and

997
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: if you don't make it, it's pretty good life anyway. Yeah,

998
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: the weeds fine, like it's cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

999
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: Your ability to handle rejection will serve you very well

1000
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: in this town. It is. That's the number one skill here.

1001
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: If you can take no luck it didn't happen. Yeah, yep,

1002
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: you'll be We get into some dark stuff about the

1003
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: stand up and just yeah, yes, not just stand up,

1004
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: not just stand up this whole yeah, the whole, the

1005
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: whole civilization. Actually, um, billy, let's plug those plug uh.

1006
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: Just if you want to follow me on any of

1007
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: the socials, just google Billy Wayne Davis. I'm on most

1008
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: of them. All that stuff will come up. I am

1009
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: going on tour very soon this week. Next week, I'll

1010
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: be in Colorado. If you got to be w D

1011
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: tour dot com. All that stuff comes up. I'll be

1012
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: in Nashville soon. I'm going to Austin, Houston, Oklahoma City,

1013
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: and your neck of the woods, the Kabu Festival. Dallas. Yeah, Dallas,

1014
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: That's where I spent a lot of time as a kid.

1015
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm going in and out. Cool that spaceship over there

1016
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: in Irving, Yeah yeah, check out of the whatever it

1017
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: wasn't Irving we talked about. Oh yeah, you could go

1018
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: go pay forty nine dollars and get licensed as a

1019
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: doctor of pastoral medicine and Irving. I might do that.

1020
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Billy Wayne David would be fantasy Ecuador. This is

1021
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: some big year for me. I remember Evans. You can

1022
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at I right. Okay, if you

1023
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: live in Ecuador and know whatever the fun Gary Young

1024
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: was doing up there, please do hit us up. You

1025
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: can find this podcast on a website behind the Masters

1026
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: dot com. You can buy shirts at t public dot com.

1027
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. They have things on them, jokes, such

1028
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: stickers to mouse pads, uh, coke spoons. Coke spoons all

1029
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: branded um all with my face on them. So that's

1030
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: kind of cool. We're on Twitter and Instagram and at

1031
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: Bastards Pod and I have another podcast called it Could

1032
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Happen Here, which you should watch. If you want to

1033
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: be really really really listen to. You should listen to Sophie.

1034
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: It's been two hours. You should listen to the podcast

1035
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: if you want to be sad. That's it. That's the

1036
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: end of the show. Go fucking hug a cat. Bye.