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Speaker 1: warrant regarding John ben Size that was still the same day,

428
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: Meaning no other information is available to the public about

429
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: why the search was ordered or what was discovered. But

430
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: whatever was discovered and whyever it was ordered, we do

431
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: know that he remains a person of interest. Now, it

432
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: seems to me that search warrant could have gotten if

433
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: it existed GPS Global positioning on his vehicles? Did it

434
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: exist at that time, Joe Scott Morgan. Was there a

435
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: GPS at that time? Well, there was GPS, but it

436
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: was it was more in the sophisticated. It was more

437
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: sophisticated to the functions of say, for instance, like uh

438
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: like like military utilization. Also, if you remember back in

439
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: that time, they used LoJack, which was kind of a

440
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: kind of a GPS. But the everyday person, you know,

441
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: they wouldn't they wouldn't have that back during that time.

442
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: Now we know he videotaped a birthday party he threw

443
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: for her just days before she disappeared, and he himself

444
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: admits he was at his house the night before her

445
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: disappearance watching that tape. He also says that he was

446
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: with her the night before she disappeared. There were definitely

447
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: signs of a struggle. Now, she was legally declared dead,

448
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: but her body has never been found. Police actually searched

449
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: the basement of a home for occupied by Van, says,

450
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: but that search didn't turn anything up. And he still

451
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: remains a person of interest to you, doctor Daniel Bober,

452
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, What does it mean to you that he's

453
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: still a person of interest. It means that at this

454
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: point they still cannot rule him out as a suspect,

455
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably the best thing they have

456
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: right now. But it is interesting that her body has

457
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: never been found. To DA Mason, CDPD searching dumpsters, the

458
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: parking lots, you name it, looking for clues leading to

459
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: the disappearance of the kimt anchor Jody Who's in Truth

460
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: reported missing in the early early morning hours of June

461
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: twenty seven. Listen to this who revertive. Jody seemed to

462
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: be familiar with her schedule. Could it have been someone

463
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: she knew? To find out, investigators were piecing together the

464
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: last days of Jody's life, and this man popped up

465
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: on their radar by declaring he'd been the last person

466
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: to Jody alive. They reviewed me twice, but they haven't

467
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: give an indication almost suspect. Jody's friend John Van Seiss

468
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: told Robin in an interview that Jody had visited his

469
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: home the night before she was abducted. She's laughing the

470
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: whole time she's there, and she laughed at the time.

471
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: She laughed, how did he strength you? Way too happy

472
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: and gleeful, and he wanted to be interviewed. She was

473
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: like a daughter, Tomy. She was just like my own child.

474
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: I turned her like my own child. So who exactly

475
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: is John van Seiss? Drilling down into that question is

476
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: complicated by the passage of time, but this certainly helps.

477
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: Twenty three years ago, days after Jody disappeared, forty eight hours,

478
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: was in Mason City and we spent time with the

479
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: man who had put himself at the center of the case. Houstly,

480
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: she's alive somewhere. I just hope she's not hurt. I

481
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: hope she's okay. I hope you come back. So back

482
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five, we caught up with John Van

483
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: and Jody's close friend Annie Cruz dark Side, where we

484
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: learned the three off in water skied off his boat.

485
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Van say, certainly wasn't hiding. We're acting like someone under

486
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: a cloud of suspicion. She wouldn't want to sit around

487
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: home and try and stabbed. She'd want to all having

488
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: fun because that was her, isn't it? Isn't think she's

489
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: coming back? Be ready for It's been an active investigation

490
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: since it happened. But we're twenty three years in right.

491
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to quit yet. The more we keep

492
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: this story alive, it might just unlock the puzzle. I

493
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: may be walking around my king and maybe in a wheelchair,

494
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: but I am staying on this until Anty. Somebody knows something.

495
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Is it you? You're hearing our friends at forty eight

496
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: hours who have rekindled the case of Jody. Who's intrude

497
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: to you? Ellen Duke? Who is Tony Jackson? And what

498
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: could he have to do, if anything, with the missing

499
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: the gorgeous young missing TV anchor Jody Who's intrude? Tony

500
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: Jackson was student at a community college in Mason City, Iowa.

501
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: He had been a college basketball player before on a

502
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: higher level and then sort of had some trouble in

503
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: his life, but he was interested in broadcasting. Was he

504
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: the predator of the stalker she was reporting? Well, Jackson,

505
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: who lived just a few blocks away from Jody when

506
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: she disappeared, is currently serving a life sentence in a

507
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Minnesota prison for a rape conviction. So let me understand this.

508
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: He lives in close proximity to her and he's in

509
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: on another rate charge. You know. That brings me to

510
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: this question to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert and author

511
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: Jesscott Morgan, how should they have processed the scene? Because

512
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if they lost DNA, or if there

513
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: is any DNA still to be found even these many

514
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: years later, it can still be processed, then they could

515
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: try to match up to this Tony Jackson. Yeah, in

516
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 1: a perfect world, Nancy, what they would have done has

517
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: gone into her apartment and have collected things, intimate things, say,

518
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: for instance, like the betting. You know, maybe look for

519
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: specific things like cigarette butts, if there was a smoker

520
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: in the house, any kind of you know, Alan actually

521
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: set a mouthful a second guy. I know, he said

522
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: it tongue in cheek, but you know she had dirty dishes,

523
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: for instance, in her sink. Were there a couple of

524
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: wine glasses, coffee cups, anything that was in there that

525
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: might contain some kind of biological evidence. The key here, though,

526
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: is how well did the police preserve this? Now we

527
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: can't stand in judgment of the people back in nineteen

528
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: ninety five because they didn't understand things like touch, DNA

529
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: and all this technology that we have now. But how

530
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: well was it preserved going forward? Was it stored in

531
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: some kind of musty evidence room somewhere? Was it properly

532
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: packaged so that they could go back and reflect. Remember,

533
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: by their own admission, the police have said this has

534
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: never been classified as a cold case to them, that

535
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: this is something that is active. Well, if it's active,

536
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm going to look at is

537
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: how much evidence did you collect or potential evidence did

538
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: you collect it that particular time. There were also reports

539
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: that Jody Houston true thought one day when she was

540
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: out jogging that she had been followed by a black vehicle,

541
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: a black vehicle, And I don't know, could that have

542
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: anything to do with it? Do you know anything about that?

543
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Alan Duke, Well, she reported it to police, but they

544
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: never got to the bottom of it. They never figured

545
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: anything out. And this was several months before she disappeared.

546
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: Now I should add Mason City police did investigate this

547
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: Tony Jackson guy, but of course they didn't have DNA

548
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: to the extent back then, and they concluded then that

549
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: they had no evidence to hold him. In Jody's case,

550
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: was it a crime of opportunity? Was she targeted by

551
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: an obsessed fan or was it someone she knew? Take

552
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: a listen to this. It was later that Monday evening

553
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: that Van Sis claims Jody came over to his home

554
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: to watch a video and we watched a tape and

555
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: we chuckled and laugh we giggled, he hauled, we did

556
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: everything and say we're gonna cut this portion now the

557
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: daber and got this portion now the day and then

558
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: we laugh about it. The next morning Jody was gone.

559
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Would John Van Says have a reason to harm her?

560
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: Annie couldn't think of anything, not a doubt. I had

561
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: no question that. There's no possibility in my mind you

562
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: could could have ever moved The police we're also asking

563
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Annie what she knew. The investigators are asking you about

564
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: John Van Sis yes, and you're saying it couldn't be John, Oh,

565
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: he's our friend. For me, I'm thinking, why would you

566
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: hurt somebody that brought so much to join in here? Like,

567
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of the friend Van Sys, he was

568
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: at her place the night before watching a birthday video

569
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: of a birthday party he threw for her a few

570
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: days before. But he had stated he felt like she

571
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: was his daughter to Daniel Bober Dodger, Daniel Bober, forensics psychiatrist,

572
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: does that make a difference, Yes, it does. I mean

573
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: if that's the type of relationship that he thought he

574
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: had with her, but you know, if he some kind

575
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: of obsession with her and felt, like you know, she

576
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: rebuffed his advances, then that love or that obsession could

577
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: turn to rage very quickly. But if the relationship was

578
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: simply a father daughter relationship, then it sounds like it's

579
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: a lot more benign. Of course, that's what he said

580
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina's family endorsed lawyer. That's what

581
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: he says after the fact. But how did he behave

582
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: in during her life? Well, according to her friends, Nancy,

583
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: they warned her that his behavior was kind of creepy,

584
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: naming the boat after her was weird and he appeared

585
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: from there. From her friend's opinions that he was just

586
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: obsessed with her, that's a red flag for me. Well,

587
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the friends thought that at the time.

588
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. It's been thirty eight hours

589
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: now since anyone has spoken to Jody, Who's in Truth

590
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: and whose Channel three co anchor disappeared yesterday morning, June

591
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five. The investigation was expanding for

592
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: the FBI to some assistants, and Jody's story was national news.

593
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: Fair is growing in one Iowa farmtown. Someone is missing,

594
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: not a face in the crowd, but one of the

595
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: most familiar faces in town. It just struck me as

596
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: so sad, and I was just second. I thought, this

597
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: is not what we meant about being on national news.

598
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, there are so many possibilities of who it

599
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: could have been, who took Jody Who's the Truth? Listen

600
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: to this our friends of forty eight hours. Caroline Lowe

601
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: was an investigative reporter at WCCOTV in Minneapolis. She started

602
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: reporting on Jody while covering a terrifying crime spree in

603
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: the Minneapolis Saint Paul Area. I covered a serial rapist

604
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: who was accused of raping four women in eighteen days.

605
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: The rapist was Tony Jackson. He was arrested in nineteen

606
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: ninety seven after a routine traffic stop. Police found in

607
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: his car the tools of his trade. He's got rope's handcuffs,

608
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: he's got his gun, he's got duck team. Basically, it's

609
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: a rape kit. Jo Barrio, formerly a detective with the Woodbury,

610
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota Police Department, worked the Jackson case. All the victims

611
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: that we know of, there is an element of stocking.

612
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Jay explored Tony Jackson's past. He learned Jackson was living

613
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: in Iowa when Jody disappeared, and not just anywhere. The

614
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: background investigation puts him in Mason City, two blocks from

615
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: the TV station that Jody worked at. Two blocks. It's chilling.

616
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: That is chilling, But listen to this. Another theory emerges.

617
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: After spending weeks chasing various leads, pouring through fifty plus

618
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: birthday cars, they founded her home from the birthday party

619
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Van Sisse gave her. They went door to door within

620
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: her apartment complex, talking to everyone. People heard a scream,

621
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: a woman scream at four am and didn't call police,

622
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: did nothing, didn't call nine one one. In the early

623
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: any hours, they could still see where her car was

624
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: parked and where drag marks ended up about one hundred

625
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: feet away, right to a white van. That white van

626
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: became a major component in the investigation. Flyers went everywhere

627
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: urging the public to help. Still no leads in the search.

628
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: Where is Jody? Still not giving up? The case not

629
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: classified as a cold case. Listen, Annie says van sise

630
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: and a history of jealousy when it came to Jody,

631
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: if we were out somewhere, if she was visiting with somebody,

632
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: he would come join the conversation, just swoop in pretty much. Yeah,

633
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure that everybody knew Jody was his. Okay,

634
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound good. He still remains a person of

635
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: interest in the disappearance of TV anchor Jody who's in trooped,

636
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: but never enough evidence for anything more than a POY classification.

637
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: This is a case that has custard, that has caused

638
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: pain for so many years. Someone was such a bright future.

639
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Outside of the TV station, there is a tree planted

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Speaker 1: and there is a stone marker there with engravings of

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Speaker 1: her favorite things. A golf ball and the news camera.

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Speaker 1: Her voice was silenced that early morning, but her story

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Speaker 1: goes on tipline sixty four one four two one thirty

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Speaker 1: six thirty six Repeat six four one four two one

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Speaker 1: thirty six thirty six Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye,