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Speaker 1: Celebrity club.

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Speaker 2: I'm so exhausted. I've been hyping the Pacific Crest Trail

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Speaker 2: some red wine and snapple. My ea, A goodness, what

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Speaker 2: is that two figures? Oh god, it's too attractive. Young

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Speaker 2: man hiking towards me. Oh god, wow, they're beautiful, but

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Speaker 2: could they be cereal gray bistiness?

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Speaker 3: Hey hey, little lady, what's a pretty girl like you

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Speaker 4: Oh god, I'm Doug.

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Speaker 3: This is my son Tom, and we're both twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Oh hi, I'm Cheryl, Cheryl Strade Strade.

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Speaker 4: That's a funny last.

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Speaker 2: In that instant, I thought I shouldn't have told them

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Speaker 2: my last name. These men, they were so attractive and

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Speaker 2: knowledgeable and yet saying menacing things about my body.

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Speaker 3: That pack you have is the biggest, especially compared to

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Speaker 3: your small, gorgeous female body.

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Speaker 4: Here, let me take a look inside that pack, take

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Speaker 4: it off, and have a sip of my water that

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Speaker 4: I'm purified.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, thanks, Where would I be without you? Guys? Huh?

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that they found me attractive, even in

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Speaker 2: my disgusting fear, all totally homeless, lesbian state of a higher.

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Speaker 3: And hey, Cheryl just wanted to say, you're exactly where

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Speaker 3: you need to be.

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Speaker 2: They were so kind. I realized they didn't want to

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Speaker 2: kill me, and that made me want to fuck them

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Speaker 2: even more.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe you're doing this alone, a girl alone,

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Speaker 4: blonde and soft here. Why don't you join us, skinny

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Speaker 4: dipping in the little creek over there. We'll wash our dirty,

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Speaker 4: dirty trail bodies. I won't look.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you guys are being weird. Let's have some iodine

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Speaker 2: pills and go to bad. But I knew in that

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Speaker 2: moment all they wanted from me was this smile and

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Speaker 2: the promise that i'd make it.

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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door.

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Speaker 2: It's all your friends, your filthy horse, Your husband's gone,

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Speaker 2: and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 1: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's memoir.

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Speaker 2: It's Martini's.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity poof Club.

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Speaker 2: To read it while it's hot, Celebrity poof Club, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 4: No boys are a loud cele say it loud and poud.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 4: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe. Hey, best friends,

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Speaker 4: how are you okay? And that's okay to say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling pretty much the same. I'm not angry anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sad, I'm not excited. I'm just all of

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Speaker 2: those things at once and nothing, and ultimately I'm free.

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Speaker 4: I could say I feel so sad right now, but

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Speaker 4: also the horniest I've ever been in my entire life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, nothing makes me feel horny like harrowing physical adventures.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned too, I've been to Midtown and downtown

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Speaker 2: Brookman then back to Midtown already in one day.

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Speaker 4: That is actually insane. And I'm still gripping with that,

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Speaker 4: like you in Midtown.

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Speaker 2: At nine, I had a dermatology appointment.

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Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: He said things are looking great, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Oops.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just putting that out there for listeners because

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Speaker 2: I know people come here for medical advice. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I have those little maybe you don't know, I have

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Speaker 2: small occasional red dots on my torso that some people

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Speaker 2: have called cherry angiomas And I did ask him about it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about it.

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Speaker 2: He said, they're a completely normal part of aging.

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Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, ooh was that hard here? That feels like

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Speaker 2: It was, And he said it like laughing, almost maniacally

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Speaker 2: did say that I could pay him three hundred and

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Speaker 2: They're really small. I'm just gonna say they're really small.

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Speaker 2: They're freckles.

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Speaker 4: No, I've never even noticed someone. I've seen you nude

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Speaker 2: Then I want anyway. It was the start of a

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Speaker 2: very long journey that has ended here in the Red Studio,

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Speaker 2: or as we call it, the Studio of Gods.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're okay.

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Speaker 2: And why are we talking about jo.

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Speaker 4: Why are we time my journeys? Because we're doing an

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Speaker 4: amazing book today that has rocked my fucking world. But

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Speaker 4: we're doing it for a reason because not just because

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Speaker 4: it's a book, and not just because it's a memoir.

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Speaker 2: Not just because it's bio woman, the blonde woman who's.

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Speaker 4: Jen X and fifty five. We're doing because our dear

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Speaker 2: On this book, which is interesting because as someone who

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Speaker 4: Book is way better, and we're going to get into that.

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Speaker 2: But before that, please welcome to the stage. You know

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Speaker 2: him from his popular iHeart podcast. I always forget the name.

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Speaker 4: Please welcome, Greek God George.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to say, on my way here

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Speaker 3: from Brooklyn, I forgave myself. I forgave you Steven, and

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Speaker 3: I forgave you Lily, and I forgave my mother, my father,

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Speaker 3: both my sisters, and President Donald Trump. I said, clean

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Speaker 3: slates starting now, Mama. Yes, let's see how the New

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Speaker 2: Lesson right today and let's let the healing begin begin.

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Speaker 4: I would like to start the healing with all of

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Speaker 4: us cracking open one of the world's most refreshing drinks.

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Speaker 2: Not all, but in the book we read, which will

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Speaker 2: what it is already. She loves snapple, and specifically Snapple lemonade,

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Speaker 2: and she craves it while she's hiking the Pacific, even

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Speaker 4: No, no, she never thought about snapple.

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Speaker 2: How when you're away from civilization, you'll suddenly crave things

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Speaker 2: before we taste the snapple, let me just say what

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Speaker 2: the book is we read. You know her because she

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Speaker 2: those people This rarely happens with us where the celebrities

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Speaker 4: She is a celebrit because because of a book. Because

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Speaker 4: this book was so big, and it was adapted into

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Speaker 2: Of course, we're talking about the book Wild by Caryl

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Speaker 4: That shook me.

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Speaker 3: You know that from the film.

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Speaker 4: I almost rewatched last night, and I because I didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the booby being like that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Can I just taste the snappy it's in this sad

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Speaker 4: Pink with sugar because I thought you'd be more into full.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely it's your sugar freeesepeounce, so thank you.

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Speaker 4: I actually just wanted the half and half to meet

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Speaker 2: I was about to say peach it had this all right?

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Speaker 3: Everyone? I'm peach Snapple yours? Okay.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you something? Can you find this caffeinated?

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Speaker 2: I'll say though, the taste is good. The taste has

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Speaker 4: That an ice cream cone and a huge dick. Cheryl Straight,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so Glad you made me watch Hony

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Speaker 4: And it was like at the beginning of like cool

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Speaker 3: But it's also like Dan Savage Lindy, like all those

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Speaker 2: Same I guess what I don't understand about that whole

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Speaker 4: Crazy to read this book and you're like, oh, I

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Speaker 3: college where I we we think that every year they

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00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 3: should remake it with a different actress and it should

443
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: be sort of like Shakespeare, because it is actually a

444
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: perfect role for a film actress because it's so much

445
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: emoting on camera and you could see Charlie is doing it.

446
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 2: You could see, oh, I could really see Charlie's better

447
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: than Race, I'll say, Okay. Comparing the Han to the

448
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 2: Rees Catherine Hahn and the new hular Ca.

449
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 4: Friend, Han is so much more probably accurate to Cheryl's

450
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 4: straight in a way, but she's also doing different things

451
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 4: with it, which.

452
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm tiny beautiful things is ultimately the exact same as

453
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: like every other show that's on Hulu that are all

454
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: like Coastal Elite, Coastal Ui, just like started with like

455
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: Friends with Money and then it never ended where it's

456
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: just always like I'm a forty something woman, but I

457
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: can't keep a job.

458
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: I'm a mess like.

459
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: A croissan and there's getting flakes all over my top.

460
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: But is my husband gonna lead?

461
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 4: Literally my favorite genre where it's a forty four year

462
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 4: old woman, and then it cuts to her getting fucked

463
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 4: in her Accura and a parking lot and her cell

464
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 4: phone's like buzzing and she hasn't come yet, and she's just.

465
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: Like, what's the thing is that Reese is too prissy

466
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: and uptight, I think to really capture her like working

467
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: class struggle. However, I think Catherine han is also too

468
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: coastal to capture her Minnesota struggle. So I do think

469
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: Reese achieves a kind of as a southern girl achieves

470
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 2: non coastalness, a regular person ness that I think like

471
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: works in the movie.

472
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 3: I think Reese's acting is very good in the movie,

473
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: and I do agree with you that I think she

474
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: connects to it on a deeper level than just women's

475
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 3: stories matter well she produces.

476
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 4: She I feel like that was one of the first

477
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 4: right Reese was like I'm taking this, We're doing this,

478
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 4: I'm turning it into a movie.

479
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: I'm getting well because she was, because this was actually

480
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 3: a prolog. She won the Oscar for Walk the Line

481
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: and then did a series of true flops like she

482
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 3: did like this means War and like all these like

483
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: bad rom coms, and so this was like her big comeback,

484
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: where she was like, I'm taking my career in my

485
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: own hands because all the scripts that are getting sent

486
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 3: to me are like Sweet Home Alabama but worse.

487
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: And not realizing that the Romcom era had ended twenty

488
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 2: seven dresses definitively right, it was the last movie.

489
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: And like you bring back rom Coms.

490
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Speaker 1: Cletulub wait.

491
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Speaker 3: Okay. My one final thing that I want to say

492
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: about Reese is, yes, her acting is good, but she

493
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: does not ugly herself up enough in that movie. She

494
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: never actually looks like chicken skin, like nough, like.

495
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 4: She gets dirty because in the descriptions that Cheryl gives

496
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: about being dirty, it's like, honestly, not that I've been

497
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 4: to Portland, I'll say, I'm just like you're seeing dirty.

498
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: I'm just like you are. So this mix of like

499
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: hippie punk dirty Jerry Garcia alternative girl and you are dirty.

500
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Speaker 4: And it's like this scene that I remember of Reese

501
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 4: taking off the boots the only scenes really It's like

502
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: I remember the movie just being about boots hurting and snappall.

503
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Speaker 3: I'm telling you rewatch it.

504
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 4: You're gonna be watch And then it's like in this

505
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: I'm so I'm just like this is so much more

506
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: than boots. Have you all ever been fitted for boots?

507
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: At ari I an't believe. I mean, have you guys

508
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: like gone? Have they like made you like jump on planks?

509
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: And like I love when she describes like how knowledgeable.

510
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 4: And re employee.

511
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: They all came from different levels of adventurousness and hiking

512
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: know how, but at the end of the day they

513
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: knew their gear.

514
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Speaker 4: They know. I don't know when ari I, I mean,

515
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: I'm about but I feel like the nineties was really

516
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 4: it's right.

517
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: I know if ari I is still like this, I

518
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: kind of assume it isn't because any time I've ever

519
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: been to a store, no one is like, well, that's

520
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: very New York City again.

521
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: New York where no one writes books, and the ri

522
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Speaker 4: I start in.

523
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: New York is hell, But I will so after I

524
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: watched for the first time, I did go to Iceland

525
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 3: by myself, and I did go to ari I to purchase.

526
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: Viewing the Northern Lines. Well, it was.

527
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: Alone hiking for my birthday. Let's just say that. Wait youfully,

528
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: Well it was the most safe gay guy recent college

529
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: grad version of a while.

530
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Speaker 4: It was very much like me looking up like.

531
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: Like Airbnb experiences, hiking day long, picked up by a

532
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: bus that takes you to see ponies but not touch them,

533
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: and then you hike to the hot springs. But anyway,

534
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: when I went to ri for that trip in San Francisco,

535
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 3: it did very much feel like how she described it,

536
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: like everyone is being very helpful, and I have those

537
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: boots to this. I mean, again, my hike was not

538
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: as argus as this one, so they sort of still

539
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: look you.

540
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 4: But but I do have daydag and I.

541
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Speaker 3: Actually wore them when I had my Halloween costume Michel's

542
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: trade this past Halloween, which you're gonna need to send us, Well,

543
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: of course, don't worry, they're on my own stuff, but yeah,

544
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: i'll send high rest.

545
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: One of my favorite parts. It's a flashback. She's in

546
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 4: the hospital, her mother is dying, and one of the

547
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 4: male nurses come in and she's like, I could see

548
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 4: the outline of his cock in his like white nurse's pants,

549
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: and I needed him to like take me.

550
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 3: Now, horning this for her is actually an intellectual It's

551
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 3: a way of processing trauma. Yeah, She's like, well, when

552
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: my mom was dying, I was into that guy's deck.

553
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: I mean it makes sense, like she was like, well,

554
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: I got married also almost out of trauma because she

555
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: needed something like stable in her life where just like

556
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: she was, like, her father was abusive. And then her

557
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 4: mom got with this guy who was like fine, Eddie,

558
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: and then she's like, well, I'm gonna start my own family,

559
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 4: like kind of fuck you guys. And that was her

560
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: rebellion of marrying young. And then when the mom gets sick,

561
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: she needs to feel out.

562
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: Of controlically, she got married the same age her mom

563
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: dead at nineteen. And then after saying that she would

564
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: never be her mother, and she finds herself doing the

565
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: same thing.

566
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: And that wasn't that crazy? When she has an abortion,

567
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 4: she realizes her child would have been born on her

568
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: mother's fiftieth birthday.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just avous. Are you guys into numa?

570
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 4: These? But I didn't get in the movie as all.

571
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know what I mean, this book is

572
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: always going to be more dense. Reading this book, you know,

573
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: you get a sense of how exciting it is to

574
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: be a heterosexual woman.

575
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: Because and terrifying.

576
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and what is more exciting than you? Of course,

577
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: every man she meets can either kill her or fuck her,

578
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: and she is constantly sizing them up. And so there's

579
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: this whole thing where every time she meets a new

580
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: man in the trail, she's always listing their race, age, height, weight,

581
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: facial hair, facial hair, clothing, like almost as if she's

582
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: telling the police officer, like who's reading this? After she's

583
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: been killed, Like there's always just a okay, like what

584
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: are they gonna do? He kind of smile quayly, and

585
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: like there's all these little signals that maybe mean that

586
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: he's going to kill her. And then she's also just

587
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: been like he was attractive. I found the nape of

588
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: his neck to be wildly erotic, and after seven days

589
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: of never having been touched, all it could think about

590
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: was him pressing his male body against mine. I shivered.

591
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: Here's a question I wanted to ask for his gun

592
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: where it makes you think about they really stuck in

593
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: a desert island, where it's like when she's camping with

594
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 4: like one of the guys, I forget which one, and

595
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: she's very like, I'm actually not attracted to him, but

596
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: then she's wishing that he would knock on her tent.

597
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: Do you think you on the PCT could fall in

598
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 4: love with anyone, of course, I kind of feel like, yeah.

599
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: Period, period. I mean it's so like when you go

600
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: to Han show, you know what I mean, Like, do

601
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: you go.

602
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: To Cheryl's trade, you would have loved Hancho.

603
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: I mean she almost goes to like a straight Han

604
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 4: show I tried to go to.

605
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 3: When she lights up at the mention of Rainbow Festival,

606
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: she's like literally hiking in order to overcome her trauma.

607
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: And the second someone's like, want to go to a party,

608
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god, you guys, I went last year.

609
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: It was so much.

610
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: It's so amazing, like okay, let's go through some Yeah,

611
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: when a guy gives her a Bob Marley T shirt

612
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: on the trail and it changes her life and.

613
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: Loco and then everyone she meets all just like gnarly,

614
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: that's so cool. I mean they're all happy, like they've

615
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: never seen a Bob Marley T before that he's not

616
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: the most like iconography, Like it was the nineties and

617
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: they had a quote on the back.

618
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: Well and it was like if you have this T shirt,

619
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: you'll be one with the spirits or something like that.

620
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: Actually, the most you've walked into a hippie store in

621
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: a college town where like you're buying a Bob Marley

622
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: t shirt some incense, and someone's like, once you have

623
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: this man one with the lions.

624
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Oka, way, let me read this passage. There is a

625
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: sex scene in the book and when she is in

626
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: this town right after Jerry Garcia dies and that she's

627
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: an Oregon and everyone's like mourning in Oregon and they're all.

628
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: Well, they're also like, have you heard the news? She's

629
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: like what, They're like, Jerry did.

630
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: She's like, there is like a different version of this

631
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: book where the news would have been like at eleven

632
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: or something. But it's so fitting that when she finally

633
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: re enters society, everyone's like, have you heard?

634
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: So she meets this guy in a Wilco teacher, which

635
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: we'll get to. He leaned forward and kissed me again,

636
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 2: and I kissed him back with more fervor than I

637
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: had before. And we stood there kissing and kissing, between

638
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: his tent and his car, and the corn and the

639
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: flowers and the stars and the moon all around us,

640
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: and it felt like the nicest thing in the world,

641
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: my hands running slowly up into his curly hair and

642
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: down over his thick shoulders and along his strong arms

643
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: and around to his brownie back, holding his gorgeous male

644
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: body against mine. There hasn't ever been a time that

645
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: I've done that that I haven't remembered all over again

646
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: how much I love man.

647
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: When I read that, I was like, Okay, Stephen and George, So.

648
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: You guys, I see in your note slowly that the

649
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: first thing you have is I have sex like a guy,

650
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: which is a quote she tells a fair of this

651
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: early on, But I do think like that description of that. Yeah,

652
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: she's literally like every camping lodge being like so, but like,

653
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: there is a version of this story she could have

654
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: told if she wanted it to be Marek Commershaw, where

655
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: she's like emphasizing the connection she had with this man,

656
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: but she very openly is like he was kind of uninteresting.

657
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: He was like sort of stunted. He was not answering

658
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: any of my questions or asking me.

659
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: Anything about about music.

660
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: She was sort of like, Okay, I see we're not

661
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: going to connect it intellectual level, but he's hot and

662
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: I need to be dicked down because it's been a

663
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: while and I haven't even masturbated this whole time.

664
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: When she said, I was too like raw often do

665
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: you think you would masturbate Lily on the PCT you

666
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: six weeks?

667
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: I feel like every author same.

668
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's all that that you have.

669
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: To do, Like yeah, but then it's like I feel

670
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: like some nights you probably are like this is a

671
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: meme with myself. Sure, I'd be like, I'm too tired to.

672
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: Oh totally, it's classic Lily. That is a classic Lily. Yeah.

673
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh wait when you're alone.

674
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, you know, being

675
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: like I can't I'm too tired. That's cute.

676
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: I feel like i'd save it up like a week

677
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: at a time. Really, I mean without any like porn

678
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: or anything. I feel like i'd be a little bit like, well,

679
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: all right, we'll go about no imagination. I don't know,

680
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: I haven't imagination.

681
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: I totally have an imagination.

682
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: I totally imagine stuff all the time.

683
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: I can get hard just sitting around.

684
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: It's called a psychogenic erection.

685
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: It happens to me every day.

686
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: But don't you feel like you would be like nearing

687
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: a spring and accidentally see some man bathing and then

688
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: be like, well, I have to go behind a tree

689
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: right now, Oh, and like watch him. No, I was

690
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: more thinking. I was more thinking like not like watch

691
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: him at Master mat just like sort of take a

692
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: mental snapshot and then and then.

693
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: But I do feel like right some nights would be

694
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: like as she literally had an ice axe, like her

695
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: toes are killing her, like there's some heart you.

696
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: Can't know unless you've been in this situation. And who's

697
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, sure now I'm like I do it

698
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: every night. But if I'm.

699
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Retired, I guess my main thing would be like the

700
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: material of the sleeping bag. I don't like the idea

701
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: of come if I can say that, like it's like

702
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: it's getting.

703
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: Come on the sleeping bag.

704
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: You might, you might. You can't always control we George.

705
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: Maybe all mathematicians like you.

706
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: Maybe you're in your like rein gear and she's always

707
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: being like, well, I put on my rain gears. I

708
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: headed into bed and read William Faulkner's As I Lay Dying,

709
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: which I remember once I started to read and you

710
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: roasted me, and you were like, bitch, you're not going

711
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: to finish that.

712
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: That's so mean to me. I want you to finish fall.

713
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: And I didn't finish well there was.

714
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: One part where she was like fully lost, and she

715
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: was like, that's it. I'm reading Lolita, like I come.

716
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: I actually need to just like set up up right

717
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: now and read some literature because we are not getting anywhere, y'all.

718
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: I just want to read right before they have sex.

719
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: Because this just made me low when we were talking

720
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 4: about it before, about this Folks singer. So this is

721
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: also just like in such a good time and very

722
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: Portland of the musicians they mentioned of, just like Bob

723
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: Marley will go like so they're sitting there and they're

724
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: chatting and he goes. I've seen Michelle Shocked live three times,

725
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: Jonathan said three times. One time I drove through snowstorm

726
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: for the show. There were like only ten people in

727
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: the audience. Wow, I said, realizing there was no way

728
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: I was going to keep my pants on with a

729
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: man who'd seen Michelle Shocked three times, no matter how

730
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: repulse that the flesh on my hips was. And this

731
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: just killed me because Michelle Shocked is a lesbian looking,

732
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: homophobic Folks singer from the nineties who had a song

733
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: called Anchorage that's very Sheryl Stray that's about like writing

734
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: to your friend about like actually, how bad your life

735
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: is going.

736
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: To Oh she's very letters letter, lot of letters, and

737
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Michelle Shocked is just like literally so much.

738
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: But like in the nineties or like early two thousands,

739
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: but she was like Fair era. Yeah, she was almost

740
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: even like two leftists for Lilith Fair. But it was

741
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: that same era. And then she was like, God hates

742
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: fags and everyone was like what.

743
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: And by the way, that was twenty thirteen.

744
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 4: It's like recently, I was like.

745
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: Looking this up. So in twenty thirteen, in a concert

746
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: in San Francisco, out of nowhere, she goes on this

747
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 3: homophobic grant against gay marriage, and then part of it

748
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: is literally her being like you can put it in

749
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: the paper that Michelle Shocked says God hates fags. And

750
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: then like the rest of her tour was canceled and

751
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: she was never heard from again because entirely she'd been

752
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: what we would now you know, in contemporary parlance, called

753
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: queer baiting by literally looking like.

754
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 4: A huge les but she looks like Katie Lang.

755
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: She was like, yeah, she was so Lilith Fair.

756
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: So Indigo girls, like, is she like from the Midwest

757
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: in like a short spiky I.

758
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: Mean, I don't know where she's from. She's probably from

759
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 4: the Midwest or in north.

760
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: And Lily was saying she's Christian, yeah, which is.

761
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: Where in this Christian leftist way. And I was like,

762
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: did she have an affair with a little fair other musician?

763
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: What happened? And I just love that ultra Chryl Strait

764
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: is like ultimate straight girl, but who loves like Wilcome

765
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: Michelle Shack.

766
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: Oh, you know gay guys. She meets a gay guy

767
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: on the trail, Rex right, the only man who's not

768
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: like a possible threat or liaison. He was a big

769
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: red haired guy, gregarius and gay and thirty eight years old.

770
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: He struck me as the kind of person who gave

771
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: a lot of bear hugs. It's just like how to

772
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: call someone up bear without saying it, just be like

773
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: he was a big, gay, barry kind of person who

774
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: had bear vibes to him.

775
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: I was a little disappointed that they didn't become closer

776
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: friends because I'm like.

777
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: Then she gets jealous that he kind of is friends

778
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: with Stacy. She kind of calls basic at one point.

779
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I loved that. Yeah, she was at some point

780
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: after like becoming friends with Stacey. She She's like, yes,

781
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: she was kind of giving girl that works in HR.

782
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: And Rex has a corporate job that she found like

783
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: completely like like unexplainable, and.

784
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: Basically Rex and Stacy were both sort of like pr

785
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: gay PR girl, and so they bonded and Trol was like, Hello,

786
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: doesn't anyone like my homemade necklace?

787
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

788
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: It says straight on it. Anyone else like doing heroin?

789
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: Anyone else? Mom died, Yeah, Okay, you're weird.

790
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: And but then people are always like, do you want

791
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: to hike like the next section with us, And she's

792
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: just like, I need to do this on my own.

793
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: Yeah right, and they're like, oh.

794
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: That whole time is she secretly in her mind going

795
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: I needed this on my own because I also need

796
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: to write like a blockbuster memoir about this.

797
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: I think she was more like, I promised myself this

798
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: and I have to see it through. I also love

799
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: this moment where she meets those like three women on

800
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 4: the traill and she's so relieved and I was so excited.

801
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: It was like, finally women, I don't have to be afraid.

802
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: And then those like two strapping men like come and

803
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: she's like, for some reason, I felt I was more

804
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: like people with Doug's like the three hippie fifty year

805
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: old Chambrune moms, and it's like, yeah, you are.

806
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: Did I love when she's also slightly bitchy, which meets

807
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: that other woman who she describes as having like acne scars,

808
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: and this woman goes, you're so pretty, you'll be okay

809
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: whatever you do. Me. People always just gotta go on

810
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: the fact that I'm good hearted. I never did have

811
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: the looks. That's not true. I said, I think you're pretty.

812
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: You do, she asked, yeah, I said, though pretty wasn't

813
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: precisely how I would have described her.

814
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: Well, and by the way, this is so, this is

815
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: right after she found out that woman had lost her son. Yeah,

816
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: and Cheryl was like, well, she wasn't a looker.

817
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: Like just still being so cutting. Pretty wasn't precisely how

818
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: I would have described her.

819
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: But I actually, to me, this is what makes her

820
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: not like a completely full of shit inspiration exactly, like

821
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: she actually is a real She's not only advice Colin.

822
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, and I think you know,

823
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: as somebody said to Tina Brown one so that she

824
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: said to us in her book that she wrote, you

825
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: can teach people how to write, but you can't teach

826
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: them what to notice, and it's the observations that meet

827
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: the writer. However, there are times because we were at

828
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: a screening the other day and I told someone I

829
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: was reading Wild Yeah, and he was like, I hate

830
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: people who pretend to be good writers but aren't good writers.

831
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: Referring Toylstrade.

832
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: And at first I was like, well, that's kind of

833
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: an easy thing to say about someone, but then I

834
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: was like, I kind of know what you mean, because.

835
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 4: I do feel like there's this way where she like.

836
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: Is almost like too vulnerable and is like using all

837
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: the vulnerability to kind of telegraph like.

838
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: So you think cashing in on the mom chips.

839
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: And there's like sometimes a cliche like there is one

840
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: part where she was like flotsome, And when people talk

841
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: about like emotional shipwrecks, I'm always just like a little

842
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: bit like that's kind of a cheesy.

843
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: Crunch red flag for me not to fully disagree. But

844
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: I was like, considering how much trauma portan this could

845
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: have been, I felt like she always held it like

846
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: it was restrained, and then there would be like the

847
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: one paragraph that would destroy you, like so much of

848
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: it really was just like and then I got to

849
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: the other campsite, and then I got to the other campsite,

850
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: and then I throw at a condo.

851
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of restraint, for sure,

852
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: and I was absolutely and decimated by certain paragraphs. As

853
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: I said, sobbed at the end. But I do think

854
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: the flots of of my grief, like we need to

855
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: put that in the dustmin of history.

856
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: As far as phrases go, I.

857
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: Do think that is also just so Portland. There's just.

858
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: Writer community.

859
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: You're a boat our friend, Like I do feel.

860
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: Like, right, she's at her big rumpus meetup and they're

861
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: all like at a big table, and like that is

862
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: what someone is being like.

863
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also if you've spent time with these kinds

864
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: of i'll say writer community types, there's almost a competitiveness

865
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: with which people divulge painful parts of their past. Like

866
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: it's sort of like the equivalent of like comedians being

867
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: at a show and like doing metacomed about being a

868
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: comedian or something. It's like writers being like, let's see

869
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: what else? What else? What else I was molested? Is

870
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: that anything? Yeah?

871
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: You're like how many times?

872
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: I mean it is? I feel like it's the kind

873
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: of reverse to the generation of Didian pretenders, Yeah, that

874
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: have infiltrated New York and like where all of their

875
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: essays are very just like it's more the style of

876
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: the proses. So and then I stared, and I lit

877
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: a cigarette. I thought I took off my glove. I

878
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: took off the other glove. I waited for the door

879
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: to open. It never did. And it's very just like

880
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: nothing's happening, or just describing things in a really kind

881
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: of cold, sober way and hoping that it sounds profound,

882
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: whereas like this is more I'm going to divulge, divulge.

883
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: When I found Tiny Beautiful Things the show, I didn't

884
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: read the book way more trauma porn, where like I

885
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: was crying every episode of that show. But I was

886
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 4: also like, you were.

887
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Crying at tiny beautiful things.

888
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, weird lesbian anyway, okay.

889
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: Weird lesbian. Yeah, I was. Look, some of us emotions

890
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: hit differently.

891
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: Wait, I feel like I haven't watched it, but I'm

892
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: surprised you're surprised because I feel like the entire point

893
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 3: of that show is cry. Isn't just like a series

894
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: of basically like dramatized I guess.

895
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't buying it, and it was just to like

896
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: the eighth Hulu remake of Friends with Money, and I

897
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: was kind.

898
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: Of I feel like I was taken by Hans performance.

899
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: It was it felt a little paint by numbers to me, That's.

900
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 4: What I'm saying. Watching it, I was like, oh, stop

901
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: making me cry, like I was getting on the boat.

902
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: So since from the topic of tiny beautiful things, I

903
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: do have a bomb to drop that I've already told

904
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: both of you, which is that I saw the stage

905
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: adaptation starring and written by Neia Verdalos.

906
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, which is so it's nea for Dollos.

907
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: There's a Cheryl. I'm ready for a Greek Cheryl Strade

908
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: what Greek?

909
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: She changed her name again? She's like Stomatopolis.

910
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: Wait, we reveal this on the episode yet that she

911
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 2: made up straight.

912
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: She because she's strayed.

913
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: Because she's strayed, and it's after or she gets divorced

914
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: and she's like crying in this like hole in the

915
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 4: wall divorce office and then.

916
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: With her tattooed divorce lawyers.

917
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just like and they're getting divorced and she

918
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: just goes, I love him, you know, I love him

919
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: sobbing the like notary woman is like, I know, I

920
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 4: know you do. And then they get their forms and

921
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 4: they're like, we can do any name, and she's like,

922
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: then me and my soon to b X husband Paul

923
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: just joked for hours. She's always been like my soon

924
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 4: to be ex husband and I were joking for hours

925
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: and be fucked in the end of my truck and

926
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: then I said goodbye on a side road in Minneapolis.

927
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: I feel like the two most Pacific Northwest writer community

928
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: things about her are A that she changed her name

929
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: to Strade and b that she got matching tattoos after

930
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: getting divorced from her husband.

931
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: Wait, but go back to the var.

932
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: And she's like, I'm gonna adapt.

933
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna adapt this. Where was the production some like

934
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 3: off Broadway Theater in You York. It was, I want

935
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: to say, like almost ten years ago with like my

936
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: ex's parents when I first moved to New York.

937
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: Oh, wows parents to the.

938
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: Name you guys get matching tattoos on your breakup?

939
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and they said God hates fags inspired by our

940
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: favorite musician, Michelle Shocked. I thought it was so beautiful. Yeah,

941
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: thank you.

942
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: The moment I sobbed, and I don't know if this

943
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: will anger you. Also Stephen in the book.

944
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: Furious, I think I know what you're gonna say the

945
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: horse exactly.

946
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: I was literally baud to say I almost cried a horse,

947
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: but I didn't let myself because but we were loud.

948
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: To cry, I hand over my my mouth. But it

949
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, for some reason, I was

950
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: so with her on her journey that I couldn't even

951
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: cry yet. And I actually didn't cry until the first

952
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: time that she cries on the trail.

953
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: Wow.

954
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: And it was like when she said I finally cried,

955
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: I was like I suddenly saw myself finally crying. People

956
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: should read the book because.

957
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: The artist say what happened to the horse? But you

958
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: can guess what I'm saying the horse.

959
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: It's not great for the horse. It was her mom's horse, yeah,

960
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: and the horses.

961
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: And as someone whose sister has road horses, yeah, so

962
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 4: it hit as family member of a horse girl. That

963
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: hit really close to home.

964
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: The part where I finally cry was when she's on

965
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: the PCT as she is.

966
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: I love that part.

967
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 4: She's hiking and there's.

968
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: Wildfires and they're creating these most incredible sunsets, and she's

969
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: so taken by the sunset, she's so amazed by it.

970
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: She starts thinking about her dad and how abusive he was,

971
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: and she goes, that was my father. It amazed me again,

972
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: of all his wild things, that his failure to love

973
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: me should have always been the wildest thing of all.

974
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: But on that night, as I gaze out over the

975
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: darkening land fifteen some nights out on the PCT, it

976
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: occurred to me that I didn't have to be amazed

977
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: by him anymore. There were so many other amazing things

978
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: in this world. They opened up inside of me, like

979
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: river like I didn't know I could take a breath.

980
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: And then I breathed, And then she starts crying. And

981
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: they weren't tears of joy, and they weren't tears of sadness.

982
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: She goes, I was crying because I was full, I mean.

983
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: Which, of course harkens back to her describing herself at

984
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: the beginning of the book as the girl with a

985
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 3: hole in her heart or something, or like a hole

986
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: inside of her hole inside.

987
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: Of her Well, of course, this woman, you know, we

988
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: all have well the whole that can never be filled.

989
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 4: Pacific Cress segment what does she wear?

990
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: What did she wear?

991
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: How does she live? And are we doing about Cheryl? Current?

992
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: Are we doing?

993
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: I think let's do Cheryl Now. There's a part that

994
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: I think might help us illustrate what she wears.

995
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: Now.

996
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: It's early on in the book. She's talking about fantasizing

997
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: and moving to New York to become a writer. Oh yes, yes,

998
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: which we learn you actually don't need to do, And

999
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: she didn't write when she lived there, and she's talking

1000
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: about her life that might happen when she goes. She's like,

1001
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: the real me was beneath that, pulsing under all the

1002
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: things I used to think. I knew how I'd finish

1003
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: my BA in June, and a couple months later, off

1004
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: we'd go, How we'd rent an apartment in the East

1005
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: village or park slope, places I'd only imagined and read about.

1006
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: How I'd wear funky ponchos with adorable knitted.

1007
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: Hats and cool boots.

1008
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: Well becoming a writer in the same romantic, down and

1009
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: out way that so many of my literary heroes had.

1010
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 4: She could not be more funky, badass boots poncho I

1011
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: think I mean her boobs really really big, I think

1012
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: she's like tight jeans, kind of flared, awesome fucking boot

1013
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 4: maybe fry boots.

1014
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think she's she has the money for fries.

1015
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 3: Well it's Portland mom, so it's like stretched denim and

1016
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: keene shoes.

1017
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 4: Oh. You think she's more like sensible, lesbian and true

1018
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: about it.

1019
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: And also like longs leaves, like slight deco, like long sleeves.

1020
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: Describing sounds like the pioneer woman like that kind of

1021
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: like QVC level, like scoop neck.

1022
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: Scoop neck, I think, scoop neck. And also like a

1023
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: bag that has won too many it's like leather strap bag.

1024
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's too bag. I actually do think

1025
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: that she's living her poncho fantasy, though, don't you. And

1026
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: I think that the tops are a little bit sexier

1027
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: than you're describing. I think they're a little more form fitting.

1028
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: I think they're maroon. I think they're deep purples, you know,

1029
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: because she was afraid of the deep purple lipstick that

1030
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: she finds at that co op, at that expensive co

1031
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: op and the town with the Deadhead festival.

1032
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: I love her going likefa mode, like being so simples,

1033
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: but it's at the co op I think she also

1034
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 4: like is like she's putting on like a tattered I

1035
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: do think ponchos are involved or just dusters, but I

1036
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: think it's tight tank top cleavage lacey brawl because when

1037
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: she gets clothes that she sends to herself later on,

1038
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: she's like faded five oh ones the black lace braw.

1039
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: You're saying you think she's over her sexyero George.

1040
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: No, I think it's I think it is age appropriate

1041
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: fifty five year old Portland sexy. Like I do think

1042
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: there is some cleavage to the ll bean long sleeve.

1043
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: I'm finished sure, Okay, form fitting I wanted to hear.

1044
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: I know it's hugging, and it might be layered in

1045
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: a sexy way like tank top and then low sweater

1046
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: that's lower her boobs are, their nipples are out and

1047
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: the sweater goes under them.

1048
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: Don't she also kind of think that she's like the

1049
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: top customer at like Portland's only dry bar.

1050
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: He hair does look great.

1051
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Below in the funk out, she's wearing a silk

1052
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 4: broon Kenley.

1053
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: It's dark collars to offset those icy blue osond hair.

1054
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: And I think she's also because she is like a

1055
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: hiker she's so gear closet with the husband with all

1056
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: their like keen the boots. Yeah, another kind of when

1057
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: Cheryl's strade walks into the Portland ri I attention, okay,

1058
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: everyone runs.

1059
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: No, it's like Martha Stewart walking into the Four Seasons and.

1060
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: It's like Woody Allen playing the sacks at Bemmlements. Is

1061
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: it the sacks that he plays? And I think she's

1062
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: not right.

1063
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, she is like her total nasty underwear, and I

1064
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: think she's like is turning on her husband of now

1065
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 4: twenty six years with some like matching lingerie and belts.

1066
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: But I guess that's what I'm like, stretched in them

1067
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: big belt. I agree, sexy form fitting purple or maroon top.

1068
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: And then I would say she literally will wear the

1069
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: homemade jewelry that a fan gave her at a signing.

1070
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 3: She won't like throw it away like Elizabeth Gilbert would.

1071
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to about to say Les

1072
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: Gilbert because it was on the tip. I was just like,

1073
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: that's what the litz gel. I think Lizabeth would be like,

1074
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: this is amazing. She puts it in a box exactly

1075
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: exactly kind of hopes.

1076
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: But I think Cheryl would be like this was given

1077
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: to me by a woman who lost everything in a fire.

1078
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when I wrote tiny, little, beautiful perfect.

1079
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 4: Okay, what does she eat? Okay? I think she is

1080
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: Keen wester Fries. I think she cusa but I still

1081
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 4: think she loves a big Bison Berger on Sundays.

1082
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of think that she is going to

1083
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: the whatever the coal oven pizzeria in Portland is like

1084
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: at least once a week with her boys.

1085
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and her non binary awesome child that she was

1086
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: celebrated on National Daughters.

1087
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, does she have a non binary child.

1088
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: She had a daughter with short hair and in the

1089
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: mood and tiny beautiful things. She does have a lesbian

1090
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 4: daughter who's like having threesomes.

1091
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: Oh right, Nia consulted on that. There's one point in

1092
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: the book where she's like, what I was creating was

1093
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: a Caesar salad with chicken on it.

1094
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: This is why she's like girl dinner because her dream

1095
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: dinner that she's having in the book is fries. Yes,

1096
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: and she's like the yin and yang of my personality,

1097
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: my needs and wants was.

1098
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 4: Fresh but also fry.

1099
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: She's crazy.

1100
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: It's like it's the most normal girl during ever, I

1101
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 2: want to solid with fries. Yeah, and how does she live?

1102
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 4: It's a big when in table. It's comfy, but it's.

1103
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: Orange and bright color. I agree with the range.

1104
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 4: I think she has a beautiful home and I think

1105
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 4: there's stones and I feel like they're Is this crazy

1106
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 4: to say she has a choi pond?

1107
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: Okay, that is you're away saying that because we went

1108
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: to the Japanese Gardens in Portland and we both loved it.

1109
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I actually didn't even put that together.

1110
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: I think that was in there.

1111
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: It's a pacific, resplest style to have a quipond.

1112
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: She could be a little like small statues in the back,

1113
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: but she's definitely Buddha, I.

1114
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, definitely.

1115
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: I do wonder if maybe she's a little bit of

1116
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: an order.

1117
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit messy for sure.

1118
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think.

1119
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: Her husband's getting mad at her for being messy.

1120
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: And there's like piles of papers and manuscripts and other

1121
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: scripts and.

1122
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: But her office is her safe space. She like retreats there.

1123
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: It's a tiny, beautiful, mask separate, little like sauna that

1124
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: he built for her in the backyard, and that's her

1125
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: safe space.

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00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: Does she go to a massage place or have someone

1127
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: come to her place to massage.

1128
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: She goes to a massage place, and I think she.

1129
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: Has a smaller, a woman owned one.

1130
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: I guess the women's totally. She gets in her big

1131
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: for a star. Don't you think she's like more Prius,

1132
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: Like she's a classic.

1133
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: I think she's Prius.

1134
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm seeing her an suv and I feel like

1135
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: the environment, but all the SUVs now are like technically like, oh,

1136
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 4: like a gas efficient Mustang. Yeah. She was like, I

1137
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 4: will not buy a Tesla.

1138
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: She's not. And she also one of the things she

1139
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: said to Brooks Shields is that you know she was

1140
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: already in her mind a quote unquote successful writer when

1141
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: Wild came out. She was like, when I dreamed of

1142
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: success as a writer, I didn't think of a lot

1143
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: of money. I just thought like, this is at least

1144
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: my full time job. I had written a novel, I

1145
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: had my column, my syndicated column in like four all

1146
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: weeklies in the Pacific Northwest, whatever. And so she was like,

1147
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that when I finally did get that

1148
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: level of success. I was a grown up. I was

1149
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: like forty two, and I did not It did not

1150
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: affect how I lived my life. It just meant I

1151
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: had more financial security. She was like, I still sent

1152
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: my kids to public school. I didn't move to LA

1153
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: And so I do think she's more. I don't think

1154
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: she's bought a BMW.

1155
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, no, not no, she's living within her means,

1156
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: and she's living very comfortably in those means. Yeah, okay,

1157
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: who are you in the book?

1158
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: Okay, George, I mean now that you went to Iceland,

1159
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: I guess I'm just like Cheryl Eryl.

1160
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: I feel like Crip is not sounding very it's not.

1161
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: I think I'm the guy who writes for the Hobo Times,

1162
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 3: who is completing a PhD in anthropology.

1163
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: That's with the Hobo Times. Guy. I don't know if

1164
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: your car's that messy.

1165
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, no, that's fair.

1166
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 4: It was so my car. It's not a I think

1167
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: car Hobo Times right now, little Hobo. Well, no, I

1168
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 4: think you're T shirt. I'm I'm also Cheryl.

1169
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: Are the literal T shirt?

1170
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: I the T shirt. There was a moment when I

1171
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: was visiting my sister in Austin and I was like

1172
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: going to thrist stores and I got so confused. So

1173
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: I just basically was walking along the Highway Cheryl style,

1174
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: and I was just an all black and these very

1175
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 4: kind of like Mumford and Son's coated brown boots that

1176
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: I used to have. And I was walking on the

1177
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: highway and Austin so sweaty, and I came to an

1178
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: underpass and a bunch of guys who were kind of

1179
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 4: bridge people waved waved me over because they also thought

1180
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: I was a fellow like hobo basically, and they were like, hey,

1181
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: come on over here, and I just kind of waved,

1182
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 4: and I realized kind of.

1183
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: I looked of experience.

1184
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 4: It was more drifter vibes, right like I got off

1185
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 4: the bus and I'm making my way to you know,

1186
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 4: to the latest trash can fire. So I'm sure all

1187
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 4: at that moment.

1188
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: I think I feel like I could see myself back pining,

1189
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: even though I've never done it, which is also very

1190
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: but you can were He's like, I've been backup being

1191
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: realized that I actually haven't been backpacking. I've been on

1192
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: like week long hiking trips, but staying in like little

1193
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: cabins along the way.

1194
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: Oh, but that is so much more than I've ever done.

1195
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: And I feel like you've done the most backpack that

1196
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: is shocking to me.

1197
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 3: I think if you is so not backpacking urbane, I

1198
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: think what you are. I think you are ryl making

1199
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: metallic take boots out of her out of her sandals

1200
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: and being like, okay, these are kind of shaker.

1201
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: Literally that's so weak because have you seen my walla?

1202
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 4: Oh?

1203
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I think I have. Is it a

1204
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: tape wallet?

1205
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: No, it's just rubber bands.

1206
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: Oh.

1207
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 4: And I feel like Stephen, you're like always so proud.

1208
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you Sally, you can't afford a while.

1209
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 4: You're just like, yeah, I was just done rubber bands.

1210
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm a little low on cash right now. Is you see.

1211
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 3: Well the pack hasn't come in your box, hasn't come

1212
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: in your fly box to.

1213
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 2: Come to the posts?

1214
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 4: Okay? To me by the way sidebar with the boxing,

1215
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 4: I was like, I guess she's trying to piece me

1216
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 4: out her twenties. But I was like, why not start with.

1217
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: Just I know a little bit so for everyone listening.

1218
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: She would get a box at every stop, and every

1219
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: box would have a twenty dollars bill in it, and so.

1220
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: It was nineteen ninety five that could go a little

1221
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: bit further. But listen, if something happens if it fucking rains,

1222
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: your pack gets stolen by a bear. You don't want

1223
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: all that.

1224
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 3: Money to get raw.

1225
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: So it's an insurance policy. Yeah, you don't want to

1226
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: have everything on it.

1227
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: But I would still give myself more than twenty.

1228
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 4: I guess it was just all the money she had,

1229
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: but still I was like, can we pack it a

1230
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: little more with cash?

1231
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: I was kind of obsessed with how low on cash

1232
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: she was, Like she really just actually had to like

1233
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: did it she does a ton of hitch high games.

1234
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: Yes, but she also never asks for money. I kept

1235
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: waiting for her to be like, yeah, it pains me

1236
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: to say this, but like I'm or even just like

1237
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: all these French made along the way, they would have

1238
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: lent her some money.

1239
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: Well, it's always like people like drinking beer at like

1240
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: the lakeside.

1241
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: Bar or whatever and ordering ice water.

1242
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're like, don't she want to run and coke?

1243
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: And she's like, no water for me, But then like

1244
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: does get off her drinks like Hawaiian screwdrivers.

1245
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is actually like a Scandinavian thing,

1246
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: because she's from Minnesota and maybe she's descendant from Scandinavian culture.

1247
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: Which reminds me of that viral Twitter thread from six

1248
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: months ago about how Scandinavian culture is not about lending

1249
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: things because it like creates an honor debt.

1250
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, she is so Robin in that way.

1251
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: She's very Robin. She doesn't want the honor debt totally.

1252
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 4: I mean what really saved her is that ARII has

1253
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 4: an amazing satisfaction policy and they sent her new boots.

1254
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that were bigger. I wonder if they still have

1255
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: that policy that they do, then you could see her

1256
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: and satisfied and then go to growl.

1257
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: Oh, you just know they got rid of that policy

1258
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: one month.

1259
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 4: Everyone fit.

1260
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: I love that. It's also the gay that tells her

1261
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: about the policy. Of course, the customer, like, honey, sit.

1262
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 4: Down, we have to talk on ARII baby, Okay.

1263
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: I give this book honestly, four point nine boots out

1264
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: of five. It's a real book, and to be.

1265
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: Like shaken and inspired, like I give it, like I

1266
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: don't say fuck it. Five Caesar Solads and Fries out

1267
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 4: of five. I was like, this is a goddamn it.

1268
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: Fucking broke me. And it's really really beautiful and it's

1269
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: about the death of parents. It's about trials and tribulations,

1270
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: things that you know we all will experience, especially Heroin. Yes,

1271
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: especially Heroin.

1272
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: It's about like literally not having headphones as you watch.

1273
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally literally. I give it five bloody toenails out

1274
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: of five George.

1275
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 4: It's been such a George, thank.

1276
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: You coming absolute dream come true. And thank you, it

1277
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: must be said Lily for recommending we do this book.

1278
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I see you posting out there these photos

1279
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 4: of recent Wild and I was like, well, we're going

1280
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: to do Wild Wild and.

1281
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I will say Cheryl did comment on

1282
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: my Halloween photos and said stay wild, George, stay Wild.

1283
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: But also when we did our Straighter Lab show in Portland,

1284
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: we tried to get her as a guest and she

1285
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: did not do it, but to her credit, and.

1286
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: We tried to get Tanya Harding.

1287
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: She also never responded to respond.

1288
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: So Cheryl responded said like, I can't do it have

1289
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: prior commitment, but I love the premise, and then followed

1290
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: Stradio Lab on Instagram. Oh she's a real forever. She's

1291
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 3: a guiding light in my life.

1292
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, we love you, Cheryl.

1293
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: Thank you Cheryl for telling women's stories.

1294
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: Thank you, George, for telling women's stories and hearing them.

1295
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: Thank you guys.

1296
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: All right, okay, ladies, stay with us best.

1297
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: This podcast was executive produced by Christina Ever, who died

1298
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty steps when the Pacific Crest Trail was

1299
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: still only a dream in her little pocket. It was

1300
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: produced by Darby Mass who, along with Clinton Churchill Clark

1301
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: sort of came up with the idea after Christina initially

1302
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 2: came up with it, and then they kind of took

1303
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: on her legacy and we're like, Okay, we're really going

1304
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: to try and take this story to Congress. And then

1305
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: it was actually a Boo Zafar who was supervising the

1306
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: congressional hearings but also producing the podcast but also doing

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Speaker 2: the hearing stuff. And this was like in the seventies. Now.

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Speaker 2: Eventually they did but designate the Pacific Crest Trail a

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Speaker 2: National trail in nineteen ninety or along with Seamful Tours

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Speaker 2: choosing the music for the trail, and Teddy Blanks did

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Speaker 2: the graphic design for like the trailheads and all the wayfinding,

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Speaker 2: which has helped books and in the human Shade of

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Speaker 2: Ponderosa Pines. We did initially conceive of this podcast and

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Speaker 2: then start producing it with pro Lab Projects, who now

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Speaker 2: no longer works on the Trail, but we wish them

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Speaker 2: the best of block in their future endeavors. And we

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Speaker 2: also wish that you go to Patreon dot com, especially

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Speaker 2: you see the pod and subscribe, because then you and

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Speaker 2: have additional content that you can experience and enjoy or

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Speaker 2: just sort of let it wash over you and not

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Speaker 2: really even take it in. And that is only five

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Speaker 2: dollars mon so that comes strongly recommended from many experts.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say thank you again for

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Speaker 2: listening to the episode, especially the credits, because credit is

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Speaker 2: so important numbers and hours. I love you,