1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: Caf I. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 2: I Am six forty. You're listening to the John and 3 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 3: Doug mcatar In for John and Ken. We're here till 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 3: four when Conway comes along. And if you've got a 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 3: teenager or a young twenty something kid who's in his 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 3: bedroom gaming twenty four hours a day, you want to 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 3: stay with us because we're going to talk about that 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: later on. We have a professor from Texas A and 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: M who's done a big study on what that social 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 3: life becomes, that virtual social life becomes, especially for young men. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 4: The debate tonight in Iowa. 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: We'll talk about that more on the smashing grabs and 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 3: the takedown of that plane carrying the head of the 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 3: Wagner group. A little vengeance's best serve cold, right, revenge 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: is best serve cold. 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 4: Well, this was more luke warm. 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: It was only two months ago they led that challenge 19 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: to Putin's authority and it has been paid back in. 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 4: Spades, to say the least. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: But your Los Angeles City Council has sprung into action 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: and sprung a new deal approved for the LAPD, a 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: four year contract representing the Los Angeles Department officers, detectives 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: and lieutenants to explain exactly how this came about. Kfi's 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: Steve Gregory Doug how are you. I'm fine, I'm indoors. 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: I got no heavy lifting. There's air conditioning, and there's 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: donuts outside, and there's donuts out there. Yeah, welcome to 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: radio right by the way. I saw a story. I 29 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: got it in my stack of stories that Heidi Klum. 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: Supermodel Heidi Clume says that she admitted she only eats 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: nine hundred calories a day. Steve, I ate nine hundred 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: calories driving to kfive. 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: I know, right, I'm nine hundred calories just at the 34 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: break room. Just by one little visit. 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: You can kick up two hundred calories walking past the donuts. 36 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: I know, I know. Yeah, you know. This has been 37 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: a contentious contract. This has been one of those that, 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: you know, frankly, for a while there didn't know it 39 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: was going to get past or not at least in 40 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: its current form. But at issue here was recruitment and retention. 41 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: I think those are the two primary words that LAPD 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: have had to deal with. Since twenty twenty. A lot 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: has been made about the impact that the protests and 44 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: the events of twenty twenty had on law enforcement in general, 45 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: but LAPDS morale had really dipped down to the lowest 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: that I had seen it since I've been here, and 47 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: officers were starting to do lateral moves to other agencies 48 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: that were taken off one other places much higher paying 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: jobs with lower cost of living. So the attraction of 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: the LAPD was starting to wane quite a bit. But 51 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: in the city council back in twenty twenty, they and 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: the mayor supported, you know, this whole defund movement that started, 53 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: and I think that's what started to erode the trust 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: and confidence of the officers and the boots on the ground. 55 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: Now fast forward a few years, there's a contract that 56 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: was being considered and they're hitting some hard times in 57 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: terms of you know, numbers and bodies in the LAPD. 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: Even the Mayor's office admitted that LAPD staffing has dipped 59 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: below one, I mean more than one thousand officers. And 60 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: as crime continues to sort of creep up, homicides are 61 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: down over all, which is there back to it's crazy 62 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: they're having to say pre pandemic levels now that's a benchmark. 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 2: So homicides have gotten back down to the normal for LA, 64 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: but property crime just continues. 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: To skyrocket exactly. 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there are problems still out there to be handled. 67 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: The politics of this, though, Steve, is fascinating because in physics, 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: I have. 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: A b in English. By the way, I have no 70 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: idea what physics. 71 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: I know gravity, okay, But in physics there's a law 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: that says, for every action is an equal and opposite reaction. 73 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: Well that's sort of true in politics as well. They're 74 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: not always equal reactions, but there's generally opposite reactions. Eventually, 75 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: we're seeing this, for instance, on LGBTQ issues, where all 76 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: of a sudden, the LAUSD s it was a big 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: dueling protests in front of LUs D headquarters that the 78 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: cops got stuck in the middle of it. 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: And I think that in the aftermath of. 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: The George Floyd riots and disturbances and protests and the 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: whole Black Lives Matter, we had to defund the police movement. 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: And now we're seeing, you know, you could say George 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: Gascon or whatever. You can see the so called reforms 84 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 3: that have resulted in a huge spike in crime, despite 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: the fact they deny that there's a cause and effect, 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: and there's a political pressure on even La City Council 87 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: people in their best to do something about it, because 88 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 3: it's really an issue. 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: It's a huge problem. 90 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: Well, and I think too, the latest council members, the 91 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: brand new ones, the real green ones, are in office 92 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: and they're real bright eyed and bushy tailed, and I 93 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: don't you know, they haven't quite been tainted yet by 94 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: the machine of the government. But I want to play 95 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: for you now this clip a Eric Unices Hernandez is 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: one of the newest members of the council and her 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: sort of simplistic view of what the police department brings 98 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: to the city versus what the other services do. 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 5: I hear from constituents every day who are frustrated with 100 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 5: the pace that we deliver our municipal services, and I 101 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: share their frustrations. It shouldn't take us seven years to 102 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 5: fix a sidewalk. We shouldn't be limited the number of 103 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 5: alleys we can repave. I learned that we only get 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 5: two alleys per year, the number of speed humps we 105 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 5: can install, the number of street lights we can fix. 106 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 5: But we invest over a quarter of our general funds 107 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 5: into just one department, and by doing that, we are 108 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: short changing our fifty plus other departments and their ability 109 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 5: to deliver on the services that make our communities thrive. 110 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 5: This contract is coming before us today despite the lack 111 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 5: of clarity on how we will pay for an additional 112 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 5: billion dollars in salary costs over the next four years. 113 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: And I listened, I listen to the whole thing on 114 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: this agenda item from beginning to end, and she literally 115 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: suggested that if we reduce the cost to the LAPD 116 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: and do not honor this contract, that we can afford 117 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: to put more allys in her constituency or in her 118 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: jurisdiction or at your district, and we can you know, 119 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: increase services in trash and other city services. 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: Well, this has always been the challenge for local elected officials. 121 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: You know, we get wrapped up in things like Supreme 122 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: Court decisions, and rightly so. Occasionally the Supreme Court has 123 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: something before it that has massive societal implications. But if 124 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: you want to see a genuinely nonpartisan court, you go 125 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: to Night Court. Night Court's dealing with you know, shoe 126 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: leather sure and city council members. Despite the fact that 127 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: the La City Council will frequently wad into you know, 128 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: ruling on whether free and fair elections in Guatemala, or 129 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: things that are just so far off the reservation that 130 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: you can't you can't even figure out how the hell 131 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: they even got to that. But basically, it's leaves clogging 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 3: a storm drain in their district and an unpaved alley 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: in her district is an issue for her constituents. But 134 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: what happens here is you start to see different setsgments 135 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: of the budget are now thrown in competition with each other. 136 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: That there's X amount of dollars available, and if you 137 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: give X to the cops, then that means X doesn't 138 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: Y doesn't get their piece of the pie that they feel. 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: And that's what local politics is is figuring out how 140 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: that pie gets cut up right. 141 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: And and you know, to your point, you got to 142 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: rob Peter to pay Paul. I mean, it's it's pretty simple, really. 143 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: But you know, the LAPD is a general fund department. 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: I mean, their department is strictly general fund. There are 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: other departments that have you know, earmarked funding that continues 146 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: in a different funding channel, but LAPD draws from that 147 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: general fund. That means some things may not happen faster 148 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: than others, and that means that there may not be 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: that you know that that service or that new alley 150 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: or whatever the case is, but to suggest somehow that 151 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, we're not going to get an alley now, 152 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: but the cops are going to get a raise. It's 153 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: kind of a hard pill to swallow, I think for 154 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 2: a lot of people, considering what they're seeing on TV 155 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: every night. 156 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: Well, clearly the city Council, the majority of the city 157 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: Council aired on the side of we're giving the cops 158 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: the raise because they've seen the smash and grab robberies. 159 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: They've seen they've heard the complaints from their constituents about 160 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: crime despite the denials from the authorities. And here's here's 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: the ugly secret, and this is I don't think we 162 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: can afford us is really the issue because the budgets 163 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, and 164 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: the take that government is receiving, despite for instance, them 165 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: blaming Prop thirteen for everything, California takes in more money 166 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: every single year. It's not just that we're laying out 167 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: more money, but we're taking in more money every single year. 168 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: And yet nobody's happy with anything. Nobody's happy with the 169 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 3: surface of the road. They're not happy with the way 170 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: the cops respond. There's not enough cops, not enough law enforcement, 171 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: and there's not enough judges, and there's not enough jail space, 172 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: and there's not enough schools, and there's not enough teachers, 173 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: and there's not enough parks, and there's not enough roads, 174 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: and there's not enough, not enough, not enough. So at 175 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: some point, I'm not sure what the answer to this is. 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: But nobody's ever happy with that result. 177 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: No, but one thing is for sure, and one thing 178 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: is UH is going to be fully funded. And that's 179 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: each of the security details for each of the council members. 180 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. 181 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: And you know something which is laped. Yeah, and and 182 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: and I can't even look. You know, we have so 183 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: many lunatics. Being in public officer, in public life in 184 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: general right now is so risky. And so there was 185 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: some woman who was just arrested for threatening to shoot 186 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: Donald Trump and Baron Trump in the face. Yeah, I mean, 187 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: And then we had the guy in Utah that was 188 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: gonna kill Joe Biden when he was coming. 189 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean. 190 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: And it's not just presidents, it's down to basically anybody 191 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: in fact. Didn't somebody got dragged off the stage of 192 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: the ninety second y some celebrity. I think Drew Barrymore 193 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: because she had a stalker and the guy showed up. 194 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just a sad reality. 195 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Doug. I mean, yeah, that's fine, 196 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: but there's also hate crime out there that needs addressed. Yep, 197 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: there's also crimes against the lg ABTQ community that need address. 198 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: But they don't have the benefit of a security detail. 199 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: But their threat is every bit as real as a 200 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: council member. 201 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: That's absolutely true, Steve Gregory as always, So this one's 202 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: through a four year deal for the LAPD estimated additional 203 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 3: cost of three hundred and eighty four million dollars by 204 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: the fourth year of the agreement. Okay, coming back the 205 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: debate tonight in Iowa, and speaking of crime, the smash 206 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: and grabbers were out in force later on. If you 207 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: got a kid that's hanging in his room gaming all 208 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: the time, it may not be as bad as we 209 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: think it is. 210 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 211 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: The Iowa debate is tonight, the first of the GOP debates, 213 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: as we start the long slog towards nominating conventions and 214 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four election. President Trump, of course, is 215 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: not going to be there, and he's supposed to be 216 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: in Georgia tomorrow to surrender on those the latest indictment. 217 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani. He returned to Georgia this morning and surrendered, 218 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: and the mugshot is out. 219 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 4: You can find that easily on the web. 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: He's not looking, he's not he Rudy did not opt 221 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: for the smiling mug shot. You know, some people like that. 222 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 3: I think Trump, if they make him do the tru 223 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: the mug shot, and we've heard reports going both ways 224 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: on that, I think Donald Trump will give a big, 225 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: happy smile. He's good at that. Rudy Giuliani looks like 226 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: a guy who just got and dieted. He's gonna look 227 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: too happy about it. But there's no hair dye running 228 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: down the side of his face, so he's got that 229 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: going for him anyway. Tonight, the Republicans will be on stage. 230 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis is fighting for his political existence here because 231 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: he's the guy who actually thought he could be president. 232 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: A lot of the others well, of course, Mike Pence's 233 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 3: hoping that somehow he catches fire and he could somehow 234 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: find favor with Republican voters. He's a he's got an 235 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: impossible putt because the Trump people are never gonna forgive him, 236 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: so he's. 237 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: Never gonna win. 238 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: Doug Bergham of North Dakota may not even be able 239 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: to be there a night. Apparently he hurt his leg 240 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: playing pickup basketball with his staffers. But I'm sure he'll 241 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: limp out there. Chris Christie of New Jersey is not 242 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: actually running for president. He's running for his quote unquote 243 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: rehabilitated reputation by going after Donald Trump. Asa Hutchinson, the 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: former governor of Arkansas and former Homeland Security guy. He 245 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: is also running anti Trump, so he's got no chance either. 246 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: And Nicky Haley and Vivik Ramaswami, how do you pronounce 247 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 3: his name? 248 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: I still can't get it correctly. Did I say it right? Boy? 249 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: That's a miracle anyway. 250 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina and Larry Elder and 251 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: Perry Johnson and Francis X. Squarez, the mayor of Miami, 252 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: who are not in tonight's debate, all of those people 253 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: are actually running for vice president. And that's true, and 254 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: that's what you do. That's how you end up as 255 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: the number two person on the time. It as you 256 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: get your name out there and you show something some 257 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: kind of fire or some kind of constituency, or you 258 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: present well. And then as the campaign gets closer to 259 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: pick of the number two on the VP slot and 260 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: the filling in the brackets, you may check a box 261 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: that the president the presidential candidate needs. And that's how 262 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris ended up on their running with Joe Biden, 263 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: because after the George Floyd and the whole Minnesota incident 264 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: and all of the fallout Black Lives Matter, they wanted 265 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: to have a female candidate, and they wanted to have 266 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: a person of color, and she checked the box. Now, 267 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: since then, she's been nothing but a liability, not only 268 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 3: for Joe Biden, but for the Democratic Party and for 269 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: the country in my opinion, and I'm sure they'd love 270 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: In fact, the La Times even went so far as 271 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 3: to argue that Diane Feinstein should resign from the Senate 272 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: and Gavin Newsom should offer the Senate seed back to 273 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: come out Harris and sent her back to the Senate 274 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: and then Biden could have a fresh slate to pick 275 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: somebody else, maybe Gavin Newsom. Anyway, the point is is 276 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: that the VP pick, sadly and sometimes with disastrous results 277 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: for the country, is rarely about governing, about somebody being 278 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: qualified and prepared to take over the country. Because look, 279 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: we took out this Russian story with Progosen plane coming 280 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: down and Putin taking down another foe. This is who's 281 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: running Russia right now is a murderer. Let's not pretend 282 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: that he that Putin is somebody else. He's a murderer, 283 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: he's a killer. He's a cold blooded killer, a guy 284 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: who still mourns the loss of. 285 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: The Soviet Union. 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: And the winner of the twenty twenty four election, whether 287 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: it's doddering old Joe or it's Donald Trump or it's 288 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: somebody else, has got to deal with this threat. 289 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: And it's a real threat. 290 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I know, we don't like to think about 291 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: this stuff, that all that Cold War stuff. We thought 292 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: we left that in a rear view mirror, duck and 293 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: cover drills and all that stuff. But it's a real 294 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: issue because if Ukraine falls, then does Poland fall. And 295 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: let's not forget the last time we had a mysterious 296 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: plane crash in Russia, it was the president of Poland 297 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: who was a severe Putin critic and his plane went down, 298 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: and we still haven't gotten a straight answer on what 299 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: happened there. We forgot about that, didn't we. And then 300 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: it was MH seventeen. Remember when Malaysian Airline Flight seventeen, 301 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: not the one that went down in the Pacific somewhere 302 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: that has never been found, but the one that was 303 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: shot down by a Russian missile. Well, they denied that 304 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: they did that, except we found Russian missile parts in 305 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: the cockpit wreckage. So we're gonna have to deal with 306 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: this issue, and it's a real serious problem going forward. 307 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: So when we have all of our intramural arguments over 308 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, bud Light and banning you know, bud Light 309 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: beer because we don't like the marketing campaign that had 310 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: a transgender person on a can of beer and was 311 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,359 Speaker 3: screaming at each other over that. Meanwhile Putin's offing his competitors. 312 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, who knows. Eventually we'll get some 313 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: kind of story. And everybody's speculating that maybe a pregosion 314 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: wasn't on the plane, that there was a body double 315 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: and all that James Bond stuff. 316 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: It could be true. What do I know. 317 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: I'm just saying we're never going to see Progosian in 318 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: public again. All right, he's taking his bow from this 319 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: And by the way, not a lot of tears shed 320 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: over this character because he was talk about cold blooded killers. 321 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: This guy had, you know, was heading a mercenary army 322 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: that was basically for hire and just going killing people 323 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: and recruiting soldiers in the prisons of Russia, taking murderers 324 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: out of prison and say yeah, we'll let you out 325 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: of jail if you go kill the Ukrainians. This is 326 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: not a good player. The only downside is his plane 327 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: didn't land on Putin. What else do we got, Oh, 328 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: we got all kinds of things going on. Hey, if 329 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: you got a kid that never leaves his room because 330 00:16:59,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: he's addicted to. 331 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: It may not be as dire as you think. 332 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: We're going to talk with a professor's done a study 333 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: of this life, which is mysterious to me. 334 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 6: AM six. 336 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: Forty Doug mcatar in for John and Ken and we're 337 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 3: here till four o'clock when Tim Conway Junior comes along. 338 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: So we got lots to talk about court, including more 339 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: on tonight's debate. For those of you following that stuff, 340 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: the Smash and Grabs, as well as the takedown of 341 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: an opponent of Vladimir Putin, which is obviously a huge 342 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: story with long and deep implications going forward. But closeer 343 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: to home, you may have a kid, or maybe a grandson, 344 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: or a nephew, or just know somebody who spends a 345 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: lot of time in the room gaming. I've got a nephew, 346 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: and I don't mind talking about it, since we talk 347 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: about this all the time with him, who is a gamer, 348 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: and he basically is a hermit. He comes out a 349 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: couple of times. We actually don't even know if he 350 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: has left because we only see him from the waist up. 351 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: But he's a habitual gamer, and he has an online 352 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: life and a relationship with his friends, including his brother 353 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: and his sister by the way, who live in Brooklyn. 354 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: He lives in North. 355 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: Carolina, and he talks to them constantly. But it's all 356 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: in this virtual universe, which is a little mysterious to me, 357 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: and of course for those of us who don't understand this, 358 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: it seems disturbing that someone would spend that much time. 359 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: And yet a new study suggests that this online gaming 360 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: life may actually be an important lifeline for young people 361 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: and particularly young men. 362 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 4: To talk to us about it. 363 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: Right now. I read this piece yesterday. I wanted to 364 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 3: talk with the author. He's a professor at Texas A 365 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: and M University. It's a pleasure to welcome Professor Tyler Prok. Now, 366 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: did I get your name correct? 367 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I've heard way worth. You did a good proc now, 368 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, thank you for having me appreciate it. 369 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on. And this is really pretty interesting. 370 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: So you studied specifically an all all male online football 371 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 3: gaming community over the course of a year, and what 372 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: you found was that the members who reported more depressive 373 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: symptoms and less real life support were forty percent more 374 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: likely to form and maintain social ties with their fellow 375 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: gamers compared to those who are actually looking for real 376 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: life support. 377 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think maybe the important distinction there is 378 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: maybe they are looking for in real life support, but 379 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: they didn't have as much as some of the other 380 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: members of that online community. And you know, I'm not 381 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: trying to make the case and my data cannot support 382 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, online support is better than 383 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: in real life support. That is not the case. But 384 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: it's not what I'm here to say. It's just that 385 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: some for some individuals that are lacking that in real 386 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: life support, that in person support, these online communities can 387 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: serve a role as a supplementary kind of social support 388 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: or social structure. 389 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: It's like a third channel between professional help and family 390 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 3: support where people are finding and specifically we're going to 391 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: get to the issue of young men are finding this. 392 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: They're creating a social safety net of sorts through their 393 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: online gaming communities, and that does bring us to the 394 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: issue of young men. It's specifically young men that you studied. 395 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: Why is that. 396 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: So? Partly it was off of convenience. The site that 397 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: we looked at was just naturally all male, given the 398 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: fact that it is a It was a very small site, 399 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: it was focused towards football. We did not select all 400 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: males based on that, but that site was all male. 401 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: But it raises a very interesting question for individuals that 402 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: are looking for a place to connect, specifically young men 403 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: in the digital age. A lot of them do find solace, 404 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: find escape in online or just video gaming, and in 405 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: general in this community or this site gave them a 406 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: place to connect with others and not necessarily people that 407 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: are around them, either across the country, across the world. 408 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: Well, I've talked about the around the world, the international 409 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: aspect of the gaming lifestyle, and there's some astonishing, I think, 410 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: social changes that are happening all around the world because 411 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: of this, where kids are growing up and they don't 412 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: necessarily have attachments to their community in the traditional sense 413 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: because they are citizens of the world. They're growing up 414 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 3: playing games with people on the other side of the planet, 415 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: so their interests and connections may not necessarily be allegiance 416 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: to their home city, or their home state, or even 417 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 3: their home country. 418 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 4: But will save that conversation for some other day. 419 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: We know that sociologists, and we've seen all kinds of spikes. 420 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: In fact, yesterday and yesterday's show, we were talking about 421 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: the huge spike in suicide. We had lost almost fifty 422 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 3: thousand people to suicide last year, and we know that 423 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: there's all kinds of pressures on young people. Do you 424 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: see a correlation between this and for instance, COVID isolation, 425 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: so that you know. 426 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: That that's a great point. And I'll be just you know, 427 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: very frank and honest with with what my data can say. 428 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: Is I cannot say that you know these online gaming 429 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: sites are beneficial for mental health. I think we need 430 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: to add a lot more nuanced we need in my 431 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: future studies, we're looking at how we can look at 432 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: that and a causal inference type of situation. But to 433 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: to more directly, you know, get at your point there, 434 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, what we're what we're really approaching 435 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: is that these individuals can have meaningful conversations and it's 436 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: not just about the game or anything like that. That 437 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: they're really building this richer social structure around that. You know, 438 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: maybe especially during COVID, they couldn't get out and and 439 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: you see their friends or whatever that might be, but 440 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: they could connect through these portals or through these gaming 441 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: sites and communities, and as we saw, you know, with 442 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: everything moving more digital, I think we need to better 443 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: understand what these connections look like and how to harness 444 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: them for mental health and to improve our lives. 445 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 3: We're talking about Tyler Broke now, he's a professor at 446 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: Texas A and M University and the author of this study. 447 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, obviously we've we've all covered the 448 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: issue of uh OF of untoward online activities, you know, 449 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: whether it's OUTCADA recruiting uh, terrorists or hate groups that 450 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: can find new followers through these online communities. But I 451 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: know from my personal experience that and I don't fit 452 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: the demographic group at all. But I while I was 453 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: talking to you, I realized I've got friends because I 454 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 3: live out here and I grew up on the East Coast. 455 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: I got friends that I've been talking to for the 456 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: last easily five years, if not more pre COVID, that 457 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 3: I've been talking to through Zoom or FaceTime or some 458 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 3: of the other technology that's available to us. And I 459 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: realized that I have had an ongoing relationship and I 460 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: actually feel like I've spent I've been in the room 461 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 3: with them that I am totally up and current on 462 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: what's going on in their lives. They know what's going 463 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: on in my life. And it's totally virtual. It's not 464 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: an actual physical contact with anybody. 465 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you make a great point. I mean, even 466 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: if you think about some of your family members or 467 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: your friends, you know, maybe if we're talking a young 468 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: adult population from college or from high school, you might 469 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: not see them every day, but you can reach them 470 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: via text, message, via phone call, whatever it might be. 471 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: And these people online through this online gaming community were 472 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: reachable in the same ways. We talked to them and 473 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: we ask them, you know, what do you talk about 474 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: with other people on here? And we saw a plethora 475 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: of different conversation topics that stretched beyond talking about the game. 476 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: So we're trying to add nuance to this and really 477 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: try to look at what these online mediated connections could 478 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: mean for mental health going forward. 479 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: Well, I know from many conversations with younger people who 480 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: live this life that as parents, we tend to look 481 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: at this as antisocial, and they look at it as 482 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 3: exactly the opposite. They believe, using the tools of the 483 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: era in which they live, that they're being completely engaged socially. 484 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: It's just different. It's a different tool. It's not a 485 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: party line, you know, and go into a record hop. 486 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: It's the age that they are in, the age of 487 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 3: the digital universe. Tyler, thanks so much for being with us. 488 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: If folks want to reach you, how can they do that? 489 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: So my email is on the conversation page. Otherwise you 490 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: can find me on my faculty page at the School 491 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: of Public Health at Types of A and M. 492 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being wellppreciate it very much. Ladies 493 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: and gentlemen. We got a lot to get into the 494 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: rest of the way. We're here till four when Tim 495 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: Conway Junior comes along. And I want to remind you, 496 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 3: by the way, you know, I wrote this book. 497 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody heard that. 498 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: I've only told you just eight thousand times, but I 499 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: have a novel out called Frank Shadow that I'm very 500 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: proud of, and you can get that at Barnes Andnoble 501 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: dot com or Amazon dot com. You can even get 502 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: it at my very own website, which is Doug mcatire 503 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: dot com. 504 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 505 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 506 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: Doug mcatar in for John and Ken. Andy Fields is 507 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: going to join us at the top of the next 508 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 3: hour talk about tonight's Iowa debate, the first official debate 509 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty four campaign. Much more on Russia 510 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: and the dramatic story that came out of Russia today 511 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: with the plane crash of the head of the Wagner 512 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 3: group and putin well enemy nemesis, whether he knew it 513 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: or not, that's what he became. And Mississippi, of all places, 514 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 3: apparently is showing California on how to deal with the homeless, 515 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: so we've got all that more conway at four o'clock, 516 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 3: I would have been traveling a lot. I was on 517 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: the road for a couple of weeks this month, in 518 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: and out of hotels, and a couple of times I 519 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 3: had to ask for either an early check in or 520 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: a late checkout. And I was ten at flop houses, 521 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 3: so they had no problem accommodating me. But apparently this 522 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: is now becoming an issue that like the airlines, they're 523 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 3: starting to nickel and dime you, only these aren't nickels 524 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: and dimes. According to the Hyatt Place in Boston, their 525 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: Seaport Hotel, if you want to stay past one pm, 526 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: it's going to be fifty dollars extra, two pm seventy 527 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 3: five dollars extra, and if you need three extra hours. 528 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 4: They're going to charge one hundred bucks. 529 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: Choice Hotel's website says early check in requests are quote 530 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 3: subject to surcharge. New York's Titay Hotel, which is right 531 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 3: at JFK Airport. It's kind of cool looking, advertises early 532 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: checking fees of twenty five to seventy five dollars and 533 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: late checkout fees of fifty to one hundred and fifty bucks. 534 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: And you know, I got a theory on this that 535 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: the hotels are finally picking up on what the airlines 536 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 3: have been doing. And we got to come up with 537 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: a new phrase because nickel and diming you doesn't really 538 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: explain it, does it, Because it's not nickels and dimes. 539 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: I mean some of the airlines. I mean, I wouldn't 540 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: be surprised if the oxygen masks weren't coin operated. They're 541 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 3: charging you for everything leg space, aisle seats, windows, seats, 542 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: check beg, carry on bags if you're flying Spirit and 543 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: a couple of the others. I refuse to fly Spirit. 544 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: I flew it. It was totally on me. I made 545 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: a trip just a couple of weeks ago. I flew 546 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: Spirit and I realized I'm too old for this. There's 547 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: a stand up comic by the way, and I wish 548 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: I knew his name. I saw it as a clip 549 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: on reels hilarious. He was talking about a medical emergency 550 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: on a Spirit flight Eric and the flight attendant saying, Excerre, 551 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: is there a medical professional on boarses there are no 552 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: medical professionals, And then it keeps going down to has 553 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: anyone seen Grey's anatomy. You know, you'll take what you 554 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: can get onto it, right, But I realized that the 555 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: little tiny tray tables and my knees were in my 556 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: Adam's apple. Then it's like, no, I can't do this, 557 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: But it serves its purpose, right. Sometimes you just got 558 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: to get there, and you got to get there as 559 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: cheap as you can. But the airlines have figured out that, 560 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: well they've got us, you want to bring a suitcase. 561 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: We had my wife and I were Boston, New York, 562 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: New Jersey, and then back out here. We had two 563 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: We had a wedding, a funeral, and two book signing events. 564 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: So we're lugging all this dress clothes because otherwise we're 565 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: wearing the rags I'm wearing now, and you can't do 566 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: that in these fancy events. So we had to bring 567 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: suits and you know, dresses and shoes and all that stuff. 568 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: So we got the big suit case. 569 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's another fifty or one hundred dollars just 570 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: for the luggage by the time you're done, and then 571 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: you go online to buy the plane tickets and to 572 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: reserve a room in a hotel, and then you get 573 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: the bill and between room taxes and resort fees, which 574 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: I really don't understand. If you go to a place, 575 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: what's that place down in Palm Springs, the Marriott Desert Springs. 576 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: It's got the waterfall in the lobby and there's a 577 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: spa and there's a golf course, And I'll say, well, you're. 578 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 4: Staying at a resort. 579 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: That's what you're paying for, So what's the resort fee? 580 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: You know, they've just figured out that if they itemize it, 581 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: they can charge you separately for it, and apparently it works. 582 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: Vegas has been doing this for a long I've been 583 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: into a Vegas hotel in a long time, but apparently 584 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 3: they've been doing the late checkout time for forever. And 585 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: I suppose that you know, when you're in Vegas and 586 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: you've been up for forty eight hours, losing your life savings, 587 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: your kids now can't even afford community college because daddy, 588 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: you know, split is tens. Now, all of a sudden, 589 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: you need a late checkout because you've got to come 590 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: up with what story you're going to tell your family 591 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: when you come back on Southwest Airlines after having been 592 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: up for forty eight hours of losing your life savings. 593 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: The nest egg is gone. They want a lot of 594 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: people in Vegas ask for late checkouts. Plus they're flying 595 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: in from all over the world and they may have 596 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: an odd departure. So they've been charging people for late 597 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: checkout for years, but for the rest of the hotel 598 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 3: industry it's largely been a courtesy. But not anymore because 599 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: they found out it's a profit center, just like the airlines. 600 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 4: All right, ladies and gentlemen, another hour to go. 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