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Speaker 1: And we welcome you into Bria and the Dog Bowl.

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Speaker 1: This is the best podcast available. Episode three counting you

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Speaker 1: down to the NFL Draft April in Las Vegas, Nevada

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Speaker 1: on Jason Gibbs joined by Andrew Gribble. Each and every week.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, uh, we'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: top ten at each position from Dane Brugler. Also the

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Speaker 1: great Matt Miller, one of the best NFL draft analysts around.

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Speaker 1: He will join us live on the podcast and we

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Speaker 1: will talk to him about the draft and what goes

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Speaker 1: into a crazy seven round mock draft that he does

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Speaker 1: a couple of times before the NFL Draft, but even

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Speaker 1: before the end, even before the NFL combine. It's pretty

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Speaker 1: crazy putting together seven rounds. Yeah, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: gained after getting some insight on this, I gained some respect.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that on the seventh round there there's a

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy story that he tells at the end of it.

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Speaker 1: And it's the amount of work in detail that goes

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Speaker 1: this because it's it's sometimes it gets compared to like bracketology,

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Speaker 1: like Joe Nardi who puts out like a thousand of

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Speaker 1: those projections leading up to the tournament and that has

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Speaker 1: the last one going into it and it's usually always right.

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Speaker 1: It's different because one player can mess the whole thing up,

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Speaker 1: like one pick can just mess up everything. So for

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Speaker 1: me evaluating this these things at the end of the

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Speaker 1: But it will be interesting to go back and do

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Speaker 1: some score keeping on this one. Well, again, we are

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Speaker 1: less than two weeks out from the NFL Combine. When

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Speaker 1: the past week, Andrew Berry of course back as the

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Speaker 1: everybody's been in town. It's been quite the busy week

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Speaker 1: and uh, gripple, you have an idea a little bit

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Speaker 1: the internal evaluations of your own roster on how things

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Speaker 1: with you. Andrew Thomas is probably being overthought a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Played left tackle at Georgia's. You know, Tristan Worth playing

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Speaker 1: the movie it steel has to come over a play

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Speaker 1: left tackle, so and and on top of that, you

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Speaker 1: want to put your best five offensive linement out on

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Speaker 1: the field. So even if it's not you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get a left tackle, you can definitely improve

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Speaker 1: the offensive line in the first round. Man, I would

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Speaker 1: say the consensus is that three quarterbacks are going to

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Speaker 1: go in the in the top ten. Some of it

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Speaker 1: have gone as high as four. Is four about the

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Speaker 1: max you could see quarterbacks coming off the board in

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Speaker 1: those first nine picks. Yeah, I think I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the first year that I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this where free agency is really going to have

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Speaker 1: a major impact on on how the quarterbacks come off

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Speaker 1: the board. You know, a couple of years ago, Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins was a free agent and we all thought, okay,

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Speaker 1: well if he goes to the Jets, that's gonna throw

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Speaker 1: things off. But he goes to Minnesota, who wasn't picking

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Speaker 1: early anyway. So I think this year is different where

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Speaker 1: feel really good that Cincinnati is gonna take one, feel

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Speaker 1: really good to Miami is gonna take one. I would

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Speaker 1: say the same about the Chargers. So you have three,

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Speaker 1: they're the Panthers at seven are definitely a wild card.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I would say this hath talked about enough.

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Speaker 1: I know the Jaguars owner came out and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got we got two quarterbacks. That's a great place

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Speaker 1: to be in. I don't know how they feel about

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Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks as long term building blocks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when Nick Foles gets benched for an undrafted prage and

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Speaker 1: it's probably not the excuse me, a six round pick,

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Speaker 1: that's not really the spot you want to be in.

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Speaker 1: So I even think the Jaguars and nine are a

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Speaker 1: team that they could fall in love with somebody and

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Speaker 1: pull the trigger there. So I think three is expected

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Speaker 1: and four wouldn't be a surprise. And again, that's great

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Speaker 1: news for the Cleveland Browns. That happened, all right. Matt

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Speaker 1: Miller joins us from the Bleacher Report. We've talked tackle.

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Speaker 1: What are two of the other positions in this draft

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Speaker 1: that are deep that teams if they don't go with

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Speaker 1: a guy in the first round, it's not gonna hurt

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Speaker 1: them because there's gonna be guys available on Day two

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Speaker 1: and even in the Day three that can potentially be

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Speaker 1: starters right away. Well, yeah, I think the depth of

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Speaker 1: this year wide receiver is crazy, crazy good. Um again,

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Speaker 1: you guys are pretty good at that position. I think

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Speaker 1: one sneaky deep spot is linebacker, which Joe Schober obviously

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Speaker 1: free agents, so we'll see what happens there. But I

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Speaker 1: think linebacker is a spot where we talked so much

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Speaker 1: about Isaiah Simmons, and he's a great player, he might

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Speaker 1: be more of a hybrid guy, you know. After him,

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Speaker 1: you get into Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray, who it

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Speaker 1: will probably both be first round picks. But we've seen

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Speaker 1: crazier things happen with linebackers where they might lip a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But then after that there's a good group

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Speaker 1: Zack Bond from Wisconsin who is incredibly VERSATIL, Jordan Brooks

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Speaker 1: text tech, Maleek Harrison from Ohio State. So I think

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Speaker 1: the linebacker group honestly goes like seven or eight deep

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Speaker 1: where you feel like you could get a pretty good starter.

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Speaker 1: So not just oh, we gotta get a guy in

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Speaker 1: the top ten. I think a linebacker you can go

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Speaker 1: deeper in this track. The same goes for tight end,

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Speaker 1: you know, the col commit from Notre Dame is kind

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Speaker 1: of the odds on favorite to be the first pick,

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Speaker 1: but you talked to enough people around the league, you

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Speaker 1: get a lot of different opinions on who the best

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Speaker 1: tight end in this class is. And that's that's great

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Speaker 1: because that that means there's a lot of versatility in

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Speaker 1: this class, and that there's a lot of good players,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Met or Adam Troutman from Dayton or Hunter

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Speaker 1: Bryant from Washington. There's you know, Pinkney from Vanderbilt. There's

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Speaker 1: so many good players in this class at tight end,

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Speaker 1: and Hopkins to produce another where there might be five

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Speaker 1: or six tight ends that everyone's gonna stack differently. Someone

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Speaker 1: asked me based on scheme fit, but I think tight

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Speaker 1: end is one of another one of those groups where

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Speaker 1: we don't always see a ton of production from rookie

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Speaker 1: tight ends. But this year's group is really really deep.

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Speaker 1: There's no t J. Hockinson since the top ten pick,

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Speaker 1: but it's very very deep when you start to dig

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Speaker 1: into the whole group. No, man, I I could be

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Speaker 1: wrong about this, but I feel like you've been the

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Speaker 1: first guy out there that's been doing seven round marks

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Speaker 1: for the longest time. Do you feel confident in that? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've been doing it a long time. I

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Speaker 1: you know, from a national perspective, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: see my guys Dangel Dejrebiah or Todd McShay doing seven rounders,

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Speaker 1: which I know they're happy about. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's safe to say. Can you walk me

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Speaker 1: just seems like a gargantuan feat that you know, at

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Speaker 1: some point you're just throwing names out. I would have

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Speaker 1: to imagine, right, you would think, But no, because I'm

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Speaker 1: I got into this because I'm a football fan. You know,

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Speaker 1: I grew up a forty fan and I loved the draft.

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Speaker 1: I lived and died with it. So I think about

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Speaker 1: that when I'm writing a seven round mock draft. When

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Speaker 1: I'm pick two fifty, I want to make sure the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns fans don't think I'm mailing it in, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you you feel that way for all thirty two teams.

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Speaker 1: So I am an incredibly organized human being. I keep

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Speaker 1: a Google spreadsheet that if anyone ever hacked it, they

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Speaker 1: would know every thought I've ever had about a football

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Speaker 1: team or a player. But you know, it has team

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Speaker 1: needs not just for this year, but for next year

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Speaker 1: and try to keep track of even you know, if

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Speaker 1: to get a feel for some of their friends, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I have a tab in this spreadsheet for

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Speaker 1: rumors that I hear, you know, rumors from agents, remers

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Speaker 1: from scout, remerged from players, just to try to piece

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Speaker 1: it all together. So it's more like taking a huge

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Speaker 1: free agency, salary cap moves, schemes fit. So it's it

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Speaker 1: might seem like, okay, in round seven, you're just making

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Speaker 1: names up and throwing them on the board, but it's

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Speaker 1: really not that way. The one I did right after

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Speaker 1: one pick for a team that I didn't like. So

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Speaker 1: I deleted the whole day thing and started over. So

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Speaker 1: it's it is like a labor of love. I know.

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Speaker 1: I know some of my colleagues say, man, if it

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Speaker 1: takes more in ten minutes to a mock draft over

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Speaker 1: thinking it, but that's seven round her will take me

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Speaker 1: a full day to plot out the picks, and then

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Speaker 1: a couple of days to write the analysis breach pick

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Speaker 1: because I'm not just gonna throw lying in there. You know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Browns need a left tackle, They're gonna take the

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Speaker 1: best one available. Try to get people a little bit

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Speaker 1: more than that. Do you ever have a moment you've

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Speaker 1: looked back on where you absolutely nailed some of these

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Speaker 1: Or have you ever tracked the highest amount, highest hit

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Speaker 1: rate from from one of these. I haven't because it's

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Speaker 1: just so early, you know, with free agency is gonna

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Speaker 1: change everything. And what I tell me about mock drafts here,

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Speaker 1: I think being good at mock draft is almost a

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Speaker 1: lot of luck. If you you know it's in late April.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you hit on a pick, it's either

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Speaker 1: because someone told you what was gonna happen or you

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Speaker 1: got a little bit lucky. You know, the year that

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Speaker 1: you guys took Baker first, everyone was staying stamp Donald

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Speaker 1: until Thursday morning. Well I have to hand my mock

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Speaker 1: draft in Monday afternoon. So it's like, okay, well you

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Speaker 1: missed that one just because of of timeline. So um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think there have been other times where

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Speaker 1: you know, you feel like a player is a really

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Speaker 1: good fit to a team. When that pick happens, you know,

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Speaker 1: predicting what's going to happen in a mock draft without

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Speaker 1: any trade. Matt, we appreciate the time, man. Always great

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Speaker 1: to have you on, Great to have you back. You

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Speaker 1: can check out Matt's seven round post Super Bowl mock

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Speaker 1: draft on bleacher report dot Com. Also a great podcast.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to promote your podcast and how often you guys do that? Yes,

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Speaker 1: stick to football, which was supposed to be ironic and

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Speaker 1: now actually all we do is talking about ball. You know.

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Speaker 1: Originally it was like, I'm going to talk about barbecue

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Speaker 1: and beer and all these other things I care about,

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Speaker 1: and nope, it's just football now. Three times a week

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, Wednesday morning, and Friday morning. Uh, we do it,

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Speaker 1: and we do it year round. So it's a lot

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Speaker 1: right now. A lot of draft obviously, but NFL college football.

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Speaker 1: So if you are, you know, as football addicted as

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Speaker 1: the rest of us, I think it's it's a very lighthearted,

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Speaker 1: laid back. We try to have fun and be entertaining,

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Speaker 1: but also you know, breaking down everything that's kind of

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Speaker 1: going on in the world of football. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow him on Twitter at NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: Scout Matt. Appreciate the time, best wishes, and we will

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Speaker 1: see you in two weeks in Indianapolis. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for having me on. Guys, appreciate it again. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller from the Bleacher Report, one of the best

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Speaker 1: in the business, especially when it comes to breaking down

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Speaker 1: many do seven rounds. Pretty impressive as to the amount

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia with with Charlie, just all the numbers flying around,

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Speaker 1: and it's just that there's a method to the madness.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who fancy themselves as draft gurus and kind of

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Speaker 1: So the fact it's good to know that there are

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Speaker 1: these picks that they put out there. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's why he's kind of reached the level he as

647
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Speaker 1: and and why he's as respected as he has. Yeah,

648
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: definitely any other takeaways from him. I mean a lot

649
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: of good information, especially on the tackles. I love Simmons.

650
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I just I can't see a scenario where he's there attend,

651
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: but um some good information. Yeah. I thought the question

652
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: where I asked him if there's a player that you

653
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Speaker 1: just would have to take attend that's not a tackle uh.

654
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Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that he didn't mention Simmons.

655
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: I think that Chase Young was the only one that

656
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: if he somehow got to number ten, you have to

657
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: grab him. So that to me is indicative one that

658
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Simmons is really good, but might not be the h

659
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: an elite, elite prospect that you might think of him. Two,

660
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: I think it just further exemplifies the Brown's needs at

661
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: tackle that you really just can't avoid the position and

662
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: there might just be a drop off between this cluster

663
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Speaker 1: of guys in the first round and whoever you could

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Speaker 1: possibly get in the second round. And I think, like

665
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Speaker 1: he said, free agency could change all of this stuff.

666
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Speaker 1: But I mean, I just don't see a free agent

667
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: out there that could maybe totally change your beliefs on

668
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Speaker 1: the tackle need on this team right now. There's just

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Speaker 1: you might get a rental that you could plug in

670
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Speaker 1: for a year or two. But you really have to

671
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Speaker 1: think of the long term of this position because it's

672
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Speaker 1: one of the most important positions on the field and

673
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: the Browns have needs at both sides. Yeah, no question,

674
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Speaker 1: And I think if you're gonna go out and get

675
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: a guy in free agency, maybe it's more depth to

676
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: There's guys like a Bouloga Costanzo if he even wants

677
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: to play football this year, where if and if I

678
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: think he does, he's probably gonna stay Indianapolis. There's just

679
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a sure thing. I mean, there's

680
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: a guy. If you're looking for risers the sweet spot

681
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: and free agency, you're taking some gambles. I mean that

682
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: DJ Humphreys over in Arizona has had one one kind

683
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: of okay season in his career so far. But he's

684
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Speaker 1: one of the best tackle prospects out there. And we'll

685
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: see what happens with Jack Conklin, but I just can't

686
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: see the Titans letting him walk. So it's just a

687
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys that you really can't imagine our sure

688
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: things and your own guy, Greg Robinson is probably one

689
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: of the top tackle free agents out there. I mean,

690
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's a tough position to be looking

691
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: for in free agency. And this kind of class of

692
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: tackles is not an every year thing. We've we've gone

693
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Speaker 1: three years where there isn't a single tackle worth first

694
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Speaker 1: round pick. Now you've got about four or five that

695
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: could be in the top fIF team. All right, speaking

696
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Speaker 1: of tackles, Dane Bruegler with his top ten positional rankings,

697
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Speaker 1: great friend of the program, and we'll be doing some

698
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Speaker 1: stuff with him as we get closer to the draft,

699
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Speaker 1: and we'll be doing some things with him at the

700
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Speaker 1: NFL combine as well. Dane Brugler with his top ten

701
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Speaker 1: positional rankings on the Athletic dot Com. And let's start

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Speaker 1: things off at offensive tackle. And this is uh the

703
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Speaker 1: top six. You know everybody. We've seen Tristan Worth's, We've

704
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: seen Andrew Thomas, We've you know, Isaiah Wilson. Uh, he's

705
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Speaker 1: got backton outside of the top six at number seven,

706
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: but number one, Jedrick Willis Jr. From Alabama six five

707
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: three two his comments. While most have worse or Thomas

708
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Speaker 1: as offensive tackle, number one, Willis is the best tackle

709
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: prospect I have evaluated in this class. He's explosive through

710
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: his hips with the wide lower body movements to mirror

711
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: in past protection, and the upper body power to steam

712
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Speaker 1: roll defenders in the run game. While he needs some

713
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: fine tuning, Willis has all the talent and upside to

714
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Speaker 1: be a top five pick in this draft. Surprised with that, No,

715
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily, but I'll throw out a couple of things,

716
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: and and this one. If the Browns were a team

717
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Speaker 1: that just needed a left tackle, this is when you

718
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: think about because Will's played on the right side of

719
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: Alabama because to A is left handed, so he basically

720
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: was the blindside blocker. But if you were drafting him

721
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: to be your left tackle, you'd have to work with

722
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Speaker 1: all the footwork introducing to a new position, and to

723
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Speaker 1: some Brownze fans, that might not be a palatable thing.

724
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Speaker 1: You want the if you're picking a tackle in the

725
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: first time, you want to be a plug and play

726
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about it. So that would

727
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: be one thing, one thing to raise, UH maybe concerned with.

728
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: But the Browns aren't that kind of team. They could

729
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: They could draft the Jeddrick Wills and just put him

730
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Speaker 1: on at right tackle where he's comfortable with UH and

731
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Speaker 1: figure out who your left tackle is moving forward. Because

732
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Speaker 1: I think this is the right tackle has become more

733
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: and more important as a position as as the games developed,

734
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Speaker 1: and it would be great to have a guy like

735
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: that you could just PLoP in and he's good to go.

736
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Speaker 1: The second thing that interests me though with Wills is

737
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: that Nick saban Uh leading up to the shift the

738
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: Citrus Bowl, he made a comment that said only one

739
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: of his players got a top fifteen grade in the

740
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Speaker 1: entire draft, and his follow up was and he's hurt.

741
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: So that would lead you believe that that was too

742
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: so to me, does that tell me that the NFL

743
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: doesn't think as highly of Wills as some of the

744
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: draft analyists do because he didn't get a top fifteen grade?

745
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: Uh coming back. So he's an interesting one and someone

746
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: who have seen so much fluctuation with You've seen him

747
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: go as high as number four, someone is fifteen. But

748
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player, and it just

749
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: shows we're picking knits with with with this kind of tackle. Uh.

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00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: In any other year, he might be the lock at

751
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: number one, but there there's a lot of arguments for

752
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: some of the other guys as well be number seven,

753
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: I guess, but I'd be honest a month ago, I'd

754
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: never heard of Mackay Beckton, So I mean I think

755
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: that this you know, as Matt mentioned in the last

756
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: segment that Daniel Jeremiah really got this guy's momentum going.

757
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: I think he's a physical freak, and the combine for

758
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: anyone of these tackles is going to be most important

759
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: for Beckton kind of just to see where the athletics

760
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: isn't at see where he's ready to go. I did

761
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: read one analysis of him that he could potentially, if

762
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: he's not ready to be a tackle in the NFL

763
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: and the first year, could play guard for you, which again,

764
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: that's not very palatable me, even though the Browns could

765
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: be in the need for a right guard as well.

766
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: If I'm picking a tackle at number ten, I want

767
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: to be able to play him a tackle in year

768
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: one alright. Taking a look at some of the other

769
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: positions that he has UH safety UH in terms of

770
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: his top six UH Delpit from l s U McKinney

771
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: from Alabama, Davis from cal um Burgess from Utah, Antoine

772
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Winfield Junior from Minnesota, Kyle douger Um from Yeah Exactly,

773
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: Big Senior Bowl, UH, Leonora rhyin or do I have

774
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, okay, Carolina, So I've got that going

775
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: for me. Uh, top six safeties. I do like Windfield

776
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: and that's why I included him in in our top

777
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: six because I'm like, I don't know, there's just something

778
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: about him. He's around the ball, he makes plays, and

779
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: I that's what you need from a safety. And I mean,

780
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: obviously Dad played Ohio State, played the NFL, had a

781
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: nice career as well. Sure that that raises the excitement.

782
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: Delpit is interesting to me because he It's almost like

783
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: this is the second straight year l s US had

784
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: a defensive back that came into the season with a

785
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: huge amount of hype and then their performance kind of

786
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: didn't match it, and now they're sliding and projections. Obviously,

787
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: the Browns took the guy last year and Greedy Williams

788
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: who entered this who maybe at this stage of the

789
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: draft process was maybe a top ten pick for a

790
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: lot of teams, and then all of a sudden, the

791
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: Browns slide down get him in the middle of the

792
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: second round because of some concerns with how he played

793
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: in his junior season. I say all this Grant Delpitt

794
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: won the Thorpe board as the best defensive back in

795
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: college football, but he had some issues. He had some

796
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: issues that maybe weren't as scrutinized the previous year. I

797
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: think tackling was was kind of an issue, would help it,

798
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: but he could be a legit kind of center field

799
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Speaker 1: safety that this defense, UH could need. If you don't

800
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: bring back to Marius Randall, I will say with the

801
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: safety position, the names to watch to me that are

802
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: more important are McKinney, Davis, and Dugger because we we

803
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: seem to think most of us seem to think the

804
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: Browns aren't going to take a safety with that first

805
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: round pick. And also, free agency is much more opportunistic

806
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: with getting a safety on this street. If you want

807
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: to spend the big money, you can get a Justin

808
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Simmons out of Denver, UH and Anthony Harris out of

809
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Minnesota who clearly, UH there's some connections there with this

810
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: coaching staff had a huge season. He's gonna get rewarded

811
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: for it. UH. So there's a lot more options to

812
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: fortify your safety position. You've got a coach in Jeff

813
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: Howard who did a lot of good work with Anthony

814
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Harris who has worked consistently with pro bowler Harrison Smith

815
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: uh in Minnesota. So to me, it's all gonna come

816
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: down to evaluation, like what is the kind of safety

817
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: or safety is that this defense needs? Uh. And that's

818
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: something we'll learn over the course of the next few

819
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: months with Joe Woods, Jeff Howard and what they value

820
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: uh in the position. You look back, Harrison Smith was

821
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: a high pick in the draft. This guy's been a

822
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: solid player earlier, and I mean, that's the kind of

823
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: player you want on your defense. Uh. And I think

824
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: the Browns just have so many needs at that position

825
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: right now. It's just not as highly as coveted as

826
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: tackle because tackles just more money more. You need more

827
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: value out of position. But you're only guaranteed guy, if

828
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: we've said before, you're only guaranteed safety coming back a

829
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: shutter guardwine And so that that's that's a position that

830
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: you need to address. You might be able to resign

831
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: to Justin Burris, maybe you go bring back to Marius Randall,

832
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: maybe Morgan Burnett's ready to go after his achilles surgery.

833
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: But just a lot of question marks of that position

834
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: and uh, some UH, you can clearly get better by

835
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: drafting some of these guys. Alright, any final thoughts on

836
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: Dane's stuff. Obviously we'll talk to him a little bit

837
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: more once we get to Indie here in in a

838
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But uh, starting to see some of

839
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: the guys putting out their top ten at each position. Yeah,

840
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just say that that Dane and and

841
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: and Matt Miller and all these guys, they do all

842
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: the work that makes us able to talk about this stuff.

843
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: And I appreciate these position rankings. I mean, this is

844
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: the this is the the encyclopedia that I'm using for

845
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: the next couple of months getting ready, and these guys

846
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: do a great job with it. Yeah. Indeed, all right,

847
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: that's going to wrap up this week's edition of the

848
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Speaker 1: b p A. Episode three is in the books, one

849
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: week closer to the NFL Combine coming up next week

850
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: our combine preview. Uh, As we'll get you ready for

851
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: our trip to Indianapolis and all the bells and whistles

852
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: that come with that next step in the draft process.

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Speaker 1: We want to thank Jeff McDaniel, Ricky Sawinski, Paul Taylor

854
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: for all their help behind the scenes. Want to thank

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00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: Matt Miller. Grips always a pleasure, my friend, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week. You can subscribe and

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