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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Finally a verdict, and I've

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Speaker 1: got to tell you I was worried. The jury was

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Speaker 1: public administrator who went on a rambling monologue in his

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Speaker 1: Tell his charge for the murder of an investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: who had written a series of negative articles about him,

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Speaker 1: specifically about a toxic workplace, and for having sex a

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Speaker 1: government administration's office. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with US.

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Speaker 2: Journalist Jeff Gearman walks straight into an ambush attack. He

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Speaker 1: Three long days and Evada, jury comes to their senses

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Speaker 1: and finds a former county official guilty of murder and

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Speaker 1: a gruesome stabbing of a journalist, Jeff German. It was

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Speaker 3: The verdict ended after an eleven.

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Speaker 1: Day trial over tell Us, the former Clark County administrator,

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Speaker 1: the subject of some of German's stories for.

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Speaker 3: The Las Vegas Review Journal before his killing.

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Speaker 1: This trial saw tell Us take the stand against the

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Speaker 4: First of all, and an excuse me, I'm obviously little nervous.

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Speaker 4: It's a day I've been waiting for for nearly two years.

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Speaker 4: You know, this thing's been kind of a nightmare. Frankly,

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Speaker 4: and right now I want to say and equivocally I'm innocent.

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Speaker 4: I didn't kill mister German, and I've got a lock

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Speaker 1: With you all. I bet that defense attorney was cringing

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Speaker 1: what exactly happened?

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Speaker 6: Jeff Garman was found stabbed to death outside his home

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Speaker 6: a fight led to Garman's death. They say it appears

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Speaker 6: the person seen in these photos was casing the area

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Speaker 6: to commit other crimes before the stabbing happened. Please see

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Speaker 6: the stabbing happen near Vegas Drive in Rock Springs. That

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Speaker 7: They say that he never communicated any concerns about his

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Speaker 7: personal safety. He was known for his stories about political

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Speaker 7: was also the author of a two thousand and one

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Speaker 7: true crime book, Murder in Sin City The Death of

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Speaker 1: We're talking, of course, about a very well respected journalist

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Speaker 1: and reporter, Jeff Gearman. Why was Jeff Gearman stab dead outside?

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Speaker 1: What happened and what does the video reveal? I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven, joining

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Speaker 1: me in all star panel of experts to make sense

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Speaker 1: to go to Vanessa Murphy, high profile investigative report with

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Speaker 1: her on Facebook at Vanessa Murphy Investigates Vanessa, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Tell me about the area where

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Speaker 1: Gearman was stabbed.

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Speaker 8: The area where he was stabbed. This is the Northwest

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Speaker 1: And it's just as quiet, beautiful neighborhoods where burglars think

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Speaker 8: So? Jeff Gaarman, longtime Las Vegas reporter, was originally at

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Speaker 1: Of course, motive why this journalists very well respected?

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Speaker 1: Does a burglar care whether he's burgling a millionaire or another,

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Speaker 1: But straight out to Lisa Daddier joining us for a

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Speaker 1: director of the Center for Advanced Policing at University New Haven, Lisa,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Okay, can we just

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Speaker 1: believe Lisa, that there are certain defendants, criminals that cannot

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, Nancy, and not statistically, I'm going to say probably

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Speaker 9: ninety plus percent accurate everything that you had stated. They

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Speaker 10: Days after respected investigative reporter Jeff Garman was stabbed to

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Speaker 10: Captain Dory Korn released this video asking people to pay

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Murphy, what was unusual, if anything, about the dress

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Speaker 8: So this individual was wearing a straw hat. He was

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Speaker 1: Out, Vanessa. Where did we get the video of this

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Speaker 8: Well, police went door to door right after they made

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Speaker 8: this discovery of mister Garman's body. They went door to

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Speaker 1: You know, another case where that happened. And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go to you again, Lisadadio, for an police lieutenant

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Speaker 1: is in the missing mother of five, Jennifer Dulo's, and

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Speaker 1: I am amazed at what the police did in that

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. And explain to me, Lisa Daddio. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: This jury had me on pins and needles.

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Speaker 1: How could they not find Robert tell Us guilty for

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Speaker 1: Pete's sake?

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Speaker 1: In the months prior to the investigative journalist German's death,

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Speaker 3: Innocently?

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Speaker 1: Defense attorney Matthew Mangino joining me, former prosecutor in Lawrence County,

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Speaker 1: Lot to me, and I guarantee you will mean a

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Speaker 11: Well, yes, Nancy. The thing that I would think is

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Speaker 11: You know, who would want to hurt this person? Is

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Speaker 1: You know what though, Matthew Mangino, that is you know,

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Speaker 1: with the Sea, Karen, if I were going to burgle

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Speaker 12: Well, to me, it says quite clearly, Nancy, that this

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Speaker 1: I mean, might as well have worn a prom dress

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Speaker 1: us KLASTV. We also know that police have been tracking

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Speaker 8: There was video of a restaurant being burglarized and the

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Speaker 10: Coran says that they are tracking a series of burglaries

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Speaker 10: considering all possibilities for a link to Gearman's killing. It's

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Speaker 5: We're not at the point where we're going to connect

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Speaker 1: So, as Vanessa Murphy Klas says in The Residents in

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Speaker 1: Dupri Dotor Dupri, thank you for being with us. Could

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Speaker 1: you describe what happened to Gearman? What death did he suffer?

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Speaker 1: Did he have time to see his killer?

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Speaker 13: He most likely did have time to see his killer.

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Speaker 13: He was stabbed, as I understand, at seven different times.

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Speaker 13: And stabbing is a very personal crime. You have to

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Speaker 1: What would he have endured? Seven stab wounds, at least

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Speaker 13: He obviously would have been fighting for his life. He

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Speaker 1: Imagine dying out in front of your house and what

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Speaker 14: It's troublesome because it is a journalist and we expect

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Speaker 14: And when people take it upon themselves to create harm

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Speaker 1: Garriman has published several investigative reports allegations of bullying and favoritism.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious, Karen Stark, It's hard to imagine

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Speaker 12: When you think about somebody who's capable of murdered Nancy,

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: Very often I've heard defense attorneys argue, what he's going

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Speaker 1: Killers don't think that way. They don't think rationally. So

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Speaker 1: while we're digging around for a motive in Garman's murder,

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Speaker 1: a very brutal murder. The state doesn't have to prove motive.

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense to anybody else, but it made

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Speaker 11: Right. Yeah, there is no obligation on the state's part

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Speaker 11: making a decision when they know that there was some motive,

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Speaker 1: You're right, and you're also right about juries. Matthew Mangino

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Speaker 1: And it's hard to apply logic to an illogical situation

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Speaker 15: Tell Us have been the subject of a newspaper investigation

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Speaker 15: He disputed the claims in an interview with Gearman accusing

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, wait, wait a minute. You're hearing this guy

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Speaker 3: Let's see what else.

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Speaker 1: Favoritism, emotional stress. You can't have favoritism in a public office.

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Speaker 1: This is the public administrator's office. And then the investigator,

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Speaker 1: What is the video that Gearman pulled up?

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Speaker 8: We see some movement. He gets out of the right side,

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Speaker 8: office with a history of problems, and he would come

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Speaker 8: in and help clean it up. And what employees told

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Speaker 8: the Review Journal is that did not happen, and it

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Speaker 8: seems that issue continued and he was he's their boss,

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Speaker 8: and sort of bullied employees and made things even worse.

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Speaker 1: You know, anybody jump in, as I've already admonished you,

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Speaker 1: we're not having high tea at High Grove with King Charles.

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Speaker 1: Those words are hard for me to say, not the Queen,

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Speaker 1: but Nancy. Let me is that Karen start jumping Karen,

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Speaker 1: because you know, bullying in a public office, not having

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Speaker 1: sex in the backseat of the suv. Oh, I know

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask you. Have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: people go I'm not stupid translation I'm really stupid. Did

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Speaker 1: you hear him earlier saying I'm all about justice and

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Speaker 1: fairness translation you got me?

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Speaker 3: I did it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's that he's overreacting. And I can't tell you

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Speaker 12: the kind of response somebody who has his personality, who's

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Speaker 12: capable of murder, how he would respond to being publically

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Speaker 12: humiliated and shamed like that. It's unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Here's another thing. What is he married? Vanessa Murphy?

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Speaker 8: He is married with three children.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to say I'm surprised, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I take a listen to Mark Strassman, CBS News.

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Speaker 15: Back in June, as tell Us appeared poised to lose

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Speaker 15: his reelection bid, he appeared to go after Garman on

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Speaker 15: social media, peremptively calling a potential follow up story a

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Speaker 15: lying smear piece and joking that Garman was going through our.

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Speaker 1: Trash to report it.

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Speaker 15: Police interviewed him Wednesday afternoon, and he did not respond

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Speaker 15: to reporters questions.

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Speaker 1: Now you are hearing that report when tell Us is

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Speaker 1: on the verge of losing the election. Now take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS.

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Speaker 17: One of German's most recent investigative stories in the Las

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Speaker 17: Vegas Review Journal was about an alleged toxic work environment

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Speaker 17: and tell Us his public administrator's office and an alleged

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Speaker 17: inappropriate relationship he was having with the coworker, where the

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Speaker 17: paper obtained video of Tellus in the back of a

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Speaker 17: car with a woman. In the midst of the series, Tellus,

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Speaker 17: a Democrat, lost his bid for reelection. Just after German's death,

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Speaker 17: police released pictures of a possible suspect dressed in an

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Speaker 17: orange vest, straw hat and gloves. Investigators later asked the

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Speaker 17: public to help find this red Yukon Donali, possibly tied

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Speaker 17: to the killing.

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Speaker 1: But what about evidence? They could have a huge grudge

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Speaker 1: rest on TV and social media. He may have lost

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Speaker 1: the election, but that is not enough to prove a murderer.

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Speaker 1: That does not a murder make well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends in our cut fifteen.

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Speaker 1: This is chip Yost at KTLA.

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Speaker 5: The evidence that Clark County's elected public administrator Robert Tellus

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Speaker 5: is the person who dressed up in this disguise to murder.

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Speaker 5: Investigative reporter Jeff Garman of the Las Vegas Review Journal

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Speaker 5: is growing. Garman was found stabbed to death outside his

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Speaker 5: home last week, but in court, the prosecutor suggested German

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Speaker 5: didn't go down without a fight, as DNA was found

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Speaker 5: under the dead man's fingernails. The DNA recovered from the

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Speaker 5: victim's hands under his fingernails.

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Speaker 1: They do identify the DNA as the defendis Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Gray. Thank goodness, a twelve member jury found

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Speaker 1: Robert tell Us guilty of murder I after three excruciating

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Speaker 1: days of deliberation, tell Us stood in the courtroom with

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Speaker 1: his head down, shaking it. No, no, as the guilty

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Speaker 1: verdict was read, Okay, you know what.

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Speaker 3: Save it for the appeals court.

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Speaker 1: Following after the verdict, The Vegas Review Journal editor Glenn

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Speaker 1: Cook said there had now been a quote measure of

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Speaker 1: justice for German.

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Speaker 3: I kind of disagree with.

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Speaker 1: That, because how can you ever make up for losing

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Speaker 1: your life. German was known for his incredible investigative work.

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Speaker 1: He covered the courts, He covered politics, organized crime over

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Speaker 1: thirty years he worked at the Vegas Sun and then

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Speaker 1: the Vegas Review Journal. That was where he was working

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Speaker 1: at the time of his death. By all accounts, the

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Speaker 1: big question was why would anybody kill Jeff? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think I know why. And as you know, the state

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Speaker 1: never has to prove motive. Why does the state have

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Speaker 1: to go lurking around in some killer's mind and figure out, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what was he thinking?

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Speaker 3: They don't, But here we've got a very clear motive.

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Speaker 3: He had a wife and children on the lane, plus

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Speaker 3: his job. Well, that's all down the tubes now.

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Speaker 1: Also interesting to point out, during an interview tell Us

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Speaker 1: did with German before he murdered him, he denied having

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Speaker 1: an affair with the staffer, but on this past Thursday,

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Speaker 1: during cross exam, tell Us reverse course say yes he

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Speaker 1: did have the affair, and the head lied. He admitted

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Speaker 1: he and the staffer were romantically involved. I guess that's

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Speaker 1: one way of putting it. They were basically having sex

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Speaker 1: in the backseat of a car. Now, if that's romantic,

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Speaker 1: maybe for some.

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Speaker 3: People it is.

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Speaker 1: That said, I guess that's something the jury would have

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Speaker 1: to consider.

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Speaker 3: What more do we know?

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kristen Meddleman, the Chief Development officer of Athram, Inc.

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Speaker 1: And you can find her at dnasals dot com. Doctrmittleman,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us all arrest. While it

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Speaker 1: is circumstance actial evidence, which is equally as probative or

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Speaker 1: proving as probative means as direct evidence, I would not

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Speaker 1: kick a little direct evidence in the teeth. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about DNA, DNA under the dead victim's fingernails.

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Speaker 16: Explain absolutely so the DNA was found underneath the victim's fingernails,

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Speaker 16: and the DNA was a match to the perpetrator. And

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Speaker 16: so at that point you can see very clearly that

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Speaker 16: you know that there is beyond any reasonable doubt the

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Speaker 16: person was there and somehow his DNA was under the fingernails.

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Speaker 16: There was also DNA found on the victims DNA found

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Speaker 16: on the shoes of the perpetrator, and so you can

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Speaker 16: see that there was exchange of DNA in both directions

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Speaker 16: from that crime scene. And I think that without a

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Speaker 16: shadow of about that show bag, it confirms all of

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Speaker 16: the other evidence that may or may not be for

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Speaker 16: whatever may be circumsperential.

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Speaker 11: As you said to.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Duprey, author of homicide Investigation Field guide. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever heard the phrase training on the job.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, Nancy, And we see it and we do it

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Speaker 13: all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Duprey, I wanted to ask you this

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Speaker 1: specific thing. I just immediately flashed back to my very

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Speaker 1: first murder case. And before I went to the morgue

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Speaker 1: to cross examin the medical examiner to get myself, I

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Speaker 1: thought I was preparing him. I was really preparing myself

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Speaker 1: to put him on the stand. I was looking at

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Speaker 1: crime scene photos and I saw paper bags over the

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Speaker 1: victim's hands with a rubber band at the wrist. I thought,

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Speaker 1: why are the paper bags on the victim's hands? Then

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Speaker 1: I found out, explained.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, Nancy. In any type of a personal crime like this,

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Speaker 13: we always try to bag the victim's hands with paper bags,

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Speaker 13: not plastic, but paperbags, so that we can catch any

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Speaker 13: evidence that might fall off, any trace evidence, hairs, fibers,

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Speaker 13: anything like that that might fall off during transport of

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Speaker 13: that patient. And one of the things that we do

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Speaker 13: in cases like this is we always scrape the fingernails.

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Speaker 13: You'd be surprised how many times we do find those

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Speaker 13: epithelial cells or those skin cells under the fingernails which

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Speaker 13: point to the suspect, and.

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Speaker 1: Then of course you want to get a shot if

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Speaker 1: the arrest is in time, of the defendant's body, to

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Speaker 1: see if there are scratches about the neck or face,

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Speaker 1: or arms or really anywhere that would match up to fingernails.

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Speaker 1: They look like a furrow or where you're planting something

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Speaker 1: out in a field lines, you can tell their fingernail scratches.

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Speaker 1: Another thing about this, doctor Kristen Millman joining as Chief

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Speaker 1: development Officer at Authram Inc. When you say there's a match,

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Speaker 1: you make it sound so simple, But could you talk

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Speaker 1: about these statistical likelihoods that you have seen in other

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Speaker 1: cases that the killer is anyone other than the defendant.

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Speaker 16: So usually with SDR testing, there's not enough people on

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Speaker 16: Earth for it to be anyone else. So it would

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Speaker 16: be one in some sort of quintillion or something that

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Speaker 16: some number that is so high that there's not enough

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Speaker 16: people on Earth. Or if the SDR's match to the

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Speaker 16: testing that was done here using DNA analysis, then there

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Speaker 16: would not be enough people on Earth for it to

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Speaker 16: be someone else.

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Speaker 1: So in many DNA gioxyriba nucleic acid reports I've seen,

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Speaker 1: the match is you so simply refer to it as

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Speaker 1: is something like statistically, statistically scientifically, there is a one

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Speaker 1: in five trillion chance it's not this guy one in

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Speaker 1: five trillion. In other words, it's him that DNA under

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Speaker 1: his fingernails, under the victim's fingernails, and the DNA on

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Speaker 1: the defendant shoes. Lisa Daddio joining us, Lisa, why is

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Speaker 1: it the defendants always forget about their shoes? Although this

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Speaker 1: guy didn't forget, he tried to destroy them. I believe

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Speaker 1: didn't even aska it appears.

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Speaker 8: That way that yeah, he tried to destroy a couple

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Speaker 8: of things.

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Speaker 1: What did he try to destroy?

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Speaker 8: I believe they found a hat in pieces that hat

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Speaker 8: from that video.

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Speaker 1: And the shoes. Yeah, I mean, I mean right there,

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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddo, who goes home and tears up their straw

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Speaker 1: hat and their tennis shoes and then you just happen

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Speaker 1: to find the victims DNA? Why do people why do

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Speaker 1: killers forget about their their shoes?

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Speaker 9: I mean, I would like to think a lot of

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Speaker 9: times it's because they like the shoes. They spend a

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Speaker 9: lot more money on the shoes, and they're just not

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Speaker 9: thinking that there's any evidence on the shoes, where there

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Speaker 9: would be more evidence on a shirt or on a

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Speaker 9: pair of pants. They're not thinking how small in this

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Speaker 9: case blood? You know a droplet could be on the shoes,

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Speaker 9: because they don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the first things I do,

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Speaker 1: they say, is go to the defendant's closet. Yeah, get

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Speaker 1: all those shoes. Take a listen now to our friend

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Speaker 1: John huck at Fox five.

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Speaker 18: Rob Tellis faces open murder charges and the killing I've

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Speaker 18: reviewed journal reporter Jeff German, investigator say tell us how

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Speaker 18: to grudge over articles Garman wrote about him.

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Speaker 1: They say that.

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Speaker 18: Brought him to german Summerland home on Friday, where he's

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Speaker 18: accused of stabbing the journalists to death.

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Speaker 19: The nature of this case and the nature of mister

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Speaker 19: German's assignments required a good investigator to make inquiry. You know,

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Speaker 19: what was mister Garman working on was the investigating certain persons.

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Speaker 19: Could those persons be the perpetrator?

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Speaker 1: It did not help tell us at all that at

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Speaker 1: trial police could link tell Us to a maroon GMC

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Speaker 1: yukon Denali and a vehicle of the very same type

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Speaker 1: register to tell us his wife when asked on cross exam.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that didn't help tell us why he should

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Speaker 1: never have taken the stand that. Once he was on

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Speaker 1: cross exam, the prosecutor asked if he tell Us believed

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Speaker 1: he tell Us would win the primary if German had

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Speaker 1: not written the articles. Tell Us responded, probably yes. I

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Speaker 1: think the defense that everyone was out to get him

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Speaker 1: didn't help with the jury.

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Speaker 3: So who should they believe?

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Speaker 1: Who's lying?

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Speaker 3: Everybody else or tell.

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Speaker 1: Us Note to suspects, taking the stand usually is not

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Speaker 1: a good idea.

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Speaker 3: Justice has unfolded.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,