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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We just got back

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Speaker 3: from crime Con, so we want to tell you all

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was the most fun ever.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: I am so exhausted two days later and I still

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Speaker 2: feel like I cannot recover.

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Speaker 3: I feel the same way like I just called momm

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Speaker 3: and pop up yesterday. I didn't even call them when

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Speaker 3: I got home. I haven't even texted any of my friends.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like trying to recuperate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess let's go day by day just

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Speaker 2: what happened so everybody could get a general sense. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it was the most fun time again. Last year we

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Speaker 2: had an absolute blast, but we were soon super nervous

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Speaker 2: because we had never been there before, and I felt

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Speaker 2: like it was a little hard to relax because I

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Speaker 2: didn't know what to expect. It was also my very

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Speaker 2: first time doing public speaking in front of a crowd

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Speaker 2: like that, so I just felt like I was gonna

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Speaker 2: throw up.

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Speaker 3: The entire time.

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Speaker 2: But this time I think we went in a little

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Speaker 2: more relaxed.

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Speaker 3: You did you not? I did not? I was probably

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Speaker 3: more stressed out about this lecture than last time.

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Speaker 2: Well it was a big lecture and you did it

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Speaker 2: without any notes, which everybody just could not believe, and

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Speaker 2: you killed it, so it was all worth it. But

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Speaker 2: maybe you felt like you were going to pass out

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Speaker 2: un till you went on stage, but it ended up

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Speaker 2: being totally fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good. So all right, let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the first day we got there as the welcome party, so,

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Speaker 3: which is funny because I had kind of a really

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Speaker 3: outrageous shirt. But they so every time they do the

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Speaker 3: welcome party, they do a theme. So last year's theme

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Speaker 3: was like we were in Nashville, so it was just

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Speaker 3: like country music, yeah, which is which was difficult for

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Speaker 3: me too because that's definitely not my look, right, So

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Speaker 3: but then this year's was like vintage campfire camping kind

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Speaker 3: of thing. So I say, I'm downstairs and I saw

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Speaker 3: Doctor Pria who's on Zone seven with Cheryl McCollum and

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Speaker 3: Cheryl McCollum, and I was like, what are you guys

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Speaker 3: wearing for this camp out? Like I was trying to

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Speaker 3: like just see what they were wearing. And they're like,

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Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And I'm like there's a

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Speaker 3: theme tonight, and they're like, oh, how do you know that?

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Speaker 3: How do you guys know all this stuff? And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: it's a a femail, it's in the email, it's everywhere,

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Speaker 3: you know, as I've been saying to Cheryl all weekend,

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Speaker 3: hashtag old people anyway. So so yeah, so then I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, nobody's going to dress up

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Speaker 3: and I'm wearing this shirt that's kind of outrageous, but

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Speaker 3: I didn't care. I was like whatever, I didn't have

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Speaker 3: like everybody he was dressed up, so they were the

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Speaker 3: ones that stuck out like a sore thumb. Not us.

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Speaker 2: We are also just not the type of people to

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Speaker 2: ignore a theme. We are given the theme, we have

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Speaker 2: to do the theme. It's just something I love it.

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Speaker 3: It's like I get to use my creativity and stuff.

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Speaker 3: So but there were people dressed up like girl scouts

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Speaker 3: and and just like straight up looked like they were

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Speaker 3: going camping. It was amazing. Someone was dressed up like

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Speaker 3: a fire Oh that's all. I didn't see that though,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah it was. I was really paying attention to

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Speaker 2: So it was really cool. Yeah, the kickoff party was awesome.

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Speaker 2: There were small stations everywhere. There was live music and

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Speaker 2: there looked like there was little tables where people were

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Speaker 2: making like campcrafts like friendship racelets and suff Yeah that

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Speaker 2: was cool. So that was really cool. At the party itself,

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Speaker 2: we ran into my girls Jess, Chelsea and Lynn. I

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Speaker 2: met them last year and they're so cool. We had

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Speaker 2: such a fun time. We saw Joe Scott at the party.

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Speaker 2: We hung out with doctor Priya a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Who else did we talk to there?

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Speaker 2: I felt like we we were with Caroline and her

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Speaker 2: dad Mike. They're the coolest ever. We ended up running

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Speaker 2: into them at the Philly airport and we were on

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Speaker 2: the same plane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the best. So we sat, we we saw

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Speaker 3: it was really great. So next day was our We

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Speaker 3: had a couple interviews. I guess we could post about

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Speaker 3: that when we know where they're located. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the morning, you had an interview at Tenderfoot TV.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know when that's coming out, but hopefully soon.

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Speaker 2: Then when we get the links to that. We also

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Speaker 3: Both of those reporters were awesome. No, they were so nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like I really enjoyed doing both of those interviews. They

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Speaker 3: were really nice.

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Speaker 2: No, John from Tenderfoot was really awesome. We tried to

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Speaker 2: do it before the convention opened because we had a

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Speaker 2: doing it, which was nice. I'm pretty sure he It

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Speaker 2: wasn't prepared for you getting stopped in the hallway a thousand.

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Speaker 3: Times trying to just walk to you. I know, I

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Speaker 3: felt bad, but I just I don't want to be

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to tell people now it's

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Speaker 3: only takes a second, you know.

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Speaker 2: No, totally, So those went really well.

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Speaker 3: We did our notes.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were waking up at four or five

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Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning every day because at the time different,

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Speaker 2: so we ended up doing our notes really early in

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Speaker 2: the morning. That was really great. And then I wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk about this. So we didn't really get to

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Speaker 2: go to many sessions because we were just like all

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Speaker 2: presentation and that was really cool, but unfortunately we can

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Speaker 2: only go for twenty minutes, so of course we're going

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Speaker 2: to for you guys.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if we told you this, but

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Speaker 3: there's an event in It's not in Lancaster. It's like

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Speaker 2: It's about an hour away from Hershey, an hour and

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Speaker 2: a half away from Lancaster. So it's in Halifax, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: at the Tobias Wildlife Park. So Cheryl is hosting a

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Speaker 2: whining Creme there and it's going to be super cool

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Speaker 2: all about wildlife stuff. I don't think this is a

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Speaker 3: No, and it's really really interesting. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I ever told you this, but remember that show Doctor

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Speaker 3: Boden had called Autopsy like back in a long time ago,

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Speaker 3: It was about some I believe it was an elk

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. It was really really interesting. So for

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Speaker 3: I are just going as attendees with my mom, but

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Speaker 2: So we saw Cheryl and then we headed over to

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Speaker 2: Who else did we run into that day? So you

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Speaker 2: met the one eight hundred autopsy guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was really cool, and the host of Pretty

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Speaker 3: So that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Then when we went into our interview with the US side,

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Speaker 2: we saw Brian Eaton in the room and we were

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Speaker 2: both freaking out because we love his reporting and we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was cool. He was cool though. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: Then, so a session I really wanted to see was

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Speaker 2: who's the reporter of East Idaho News, and he received

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Speaker 2: a message from Laurie Valo to give to her son

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Speaker 2: that must have been insane to watch in the live audience.

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Speaker 2: Not knowing that was going to happen. We actually heard

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Speaker 2: wanted Nate to tell Colby that she loves him no

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Speaker 2: Verse Matthew twenty five. So then on stage, Colby explained

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Speaker 2: basically godly. How haunting is this? She used to be

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Speaker 2: getting messages from your mother in prison.

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Speaker 3: She's just manipulative and wanted to like wanted attention, Like

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Speaker 3: she couldn't listen to this seriously, like psychologically, she didn't

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking she's such a scary person, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure that guy doesn't want to be getting messages from

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Speaker 2: her in jail either, and then her son's trying to

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Speaker 2: all right. So then onto our sessions. We went on stage.

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Speaker 2: We had the best time ever. We were a little

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Speaker 3: It was it was a different setup than last year.

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Speaker 3: I actually liked this setup better. It was more like

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Speaker 3: a living room situation. I just the only thing that

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Speaker 3: I didn't like was that I was able to hear

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Speaker 3: But then once I got used to it, it was fine.

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Speaker 3: Just because I get distracted very easily.

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Speaker 2: I think after a couple minutes, you just got used

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Speaker 2: But I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna like

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Speaker 3: happens in crime con stays in crime Con. Speaking of

439
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Speaker 3: we all, we we were like just seeing all these people,

440
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Speaker 3: were like, I'm kind of interested in like crime con hookups.

441
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Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, we have to know what happens.

442
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Speaker 3: I like, I just I know what's happening, So now

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Speaker 3: I want to know. Although there there are like it

444
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Speaker 3: is very uneven with the sex, is there? For sure?

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Speaker 3: Well as far as A ten d's go.

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Speaker 2: I was cranking up the first day because we've always

447
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Speaker 2: been talking about how it's like all these women and

448
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Speaker 2: it would be such a great place to meet somebody.

449
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Speaker 3: And then the first day when we were checking in

450
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451
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Speaker 2: There was all these like really hot soldiers walking around

452
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Speaker 2: and they planned this on purpose.

453
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Speaker 3: So many of them, like there was some kind of event.

454
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Speaker 3: a dead baby that was found in a cheerleader's closet

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Speaker 3: Let's start so this story about the cheerleader. Let's talk

479
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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 2: My God, who's heard of this story with this cheerleader?

481
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of you have.

482
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Of course, we figured that, okay, So let me introduce

483
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Speaker 2: the story for those of you who haven't heard. So.

484
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Speaker 2: A senior cheerleader at the University of Kentucky has been

485
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Speaker 2: arrested after police found an infant wrapped in a towel

486
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Speaker 2: and placed inside a black trash bag in her closet.

487
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Speaker 3: When situations like this happen, it is typically a younger

488
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Speaker 3: woman who's not married, and the baby is found wrapped

489
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Speaker 3: in a bunch of different stuff, and it's usually found

490
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Speaker 3: dead and decomposed. But in this situation, she had the baby,

491
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Speaker 3: they they found it or something.

492
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Speaker 2: So I guess I'm kind of confused about this part

493
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Speaker 2: of the story because they're saying that police got a

494
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: call of an unresponsive infant on August twenty seventh, so

495
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: that was just last Wednesday, And then the coroner is

496
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: now saying they believe the child was born on that

497
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: same day, but no article can figure out who called

498
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Speaker 2: the police at day or they haven't released that information yet.

499
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Speaker 3: So was it her?

500
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Speaker 2: Did a roommate go in the room and stumble upon this?

501
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 2: Was it? The baby's father I'm having a really hard

502
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Speaker 2: time understanding that detail.

503
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Speaker 3: This is my theory because sometimes when that happened. Usually

504
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Speaker 3: when that happens, it's like I said, the baby's found

505
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Speaker 3: in a bag, but it's usually decomposed, which means it's

506
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: been there for a while and someone smells it, unfortunately,

507
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: and that's how they found it. But in other cases,

508
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: when they figure out when a woman has done this,

509
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Speaker 3: it's because she's given birth and she's had some kind

510
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Speaker 3: of an issue where she has to go to the hospital. Okay,

511
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 3: and that could be a possibility that that's what happened.

512
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: She was having like postpartum hemorrhage or something like that,

513
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: and that could be how she presented to the hospital.

514
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Speaker 3: And obviously any doctor in the emergency room is going

515
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Speaker 3: to be like this chick just gave birth, Like where's

516
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: the baby, you know, and then yeah, it's going to

517
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Speaker 3: go down like that.

518
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Speaker 2: Well, how are they able to determine the age of

519
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Speaker 2: the baby, because they're saying they believe the baby was

520
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Speaker 2: born on that day that the call came in.

521
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so when the baby goes to the medical examiner's office,

522
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: they could do a bunch of different things to figure

523
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Speaker 3: out the gestational age obviously, So the mom actually admitted

524
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Speaker 3: to giving birth to this baby and doing this. Yeah,

525
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: so she is semi cooperating, so obviously they could ask her.

526
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Speaker 3: But we don't even know if she knew she was pregnant.

527
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Speaker 3: So that's which a lot of people don't even think

528
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Speaker 3: that that's possible, but it happens all the time. There

529
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Speaker 3: was like a whole TV show called I Didn't Know

530
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Speaker 3: I Was pregnant?

531
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Speaker 2: Well, remember was it last week or the week before?

532
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Speaker 2: We had a story about a woman on vacation in Toronto.

533
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Speaker 2: She thought she had diary, went on the toilet and

534
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Speaker 2: gave birth to a full blown, healthy, full turn baby,

535
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Speaker 2: which like I just can't imagine happening straight up.

536
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Speaker 3: Came out of the bathroom and.

537
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Speaker 2: Was like, oh, but she had other children and she

538
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: didn't feel any signs of being pregnant at all.

539
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean that's the bonus on vacation with

540
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: a new baby. Well, it depends, it depends on how

541
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: you look at that, yes, but.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they ended up arresting her and she admitted

543
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Speaker 2: to giving birth, cleaning it up and hiding all of

544
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Speaker 2: the evidence along with the child in the trash bag

545
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: and hiding it in her room and she didn't get

546
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Speaker 2: arrested until a couple of days later. Wait, so we

547
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Speaker 2: didn't talk about you say sorry, So back to how

548
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Speaker 2: they go, back to how they know the agent.

549
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Speaker 3: Okay, so they could do. So what they do is

550
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Speaker 3: measurements on the external. So the external exam is when

551
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Speaker 3: you look at the baby just laying on the table

552
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: and you do measurements. So you would do weight, and

553
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: then you would do what is called crown to romp,

554
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: so that's the head to the butt, and then you

555
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: would do crown to heal, so that would be the

556
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: head to the heel. And those measurements. We have a

557
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: chart that says each week gestation of what size they

558
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: should be. And that's the same thing that they're doing

559
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: when you're pregnant too. They're measuring all of those things.

560
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: But on top of that, we could do X rays

561
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: and we could measure the humorous and we could look

562
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: for ossification centers inside of the bones to see how

563
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: old the fetus is. So that's important because we don't

564
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 3: know how far along she was. She could have just

565
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: naturally had a miscarriage and been twenty weeks or something

566
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: like that, and a baby or a fetus can't survive

567
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: at twenty weeks, so I think that it would be

568
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: a little bit of a different charge if she gave

569
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Speaker 3: birth to this baby that she didn't try to save

570
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 3: its life and put it in a trash bag versus

571
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Speaker 3: one that had the possibility of being viable.

572
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Speaker 2: Do you think, based on the media's wording of it, however,

573
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Speaker 2: because they're calling the child an infant, if she did

574
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Speaker 2: an early miscarriage, would they refer to the baby as

575
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Speaker 2: a fetus?

576
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: No, that I don't think, so, Okay, that's why I

577
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: think that it's pretty sure that it is.

578
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Speaker 2: It was as full term, being it was a bunch

579
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: not it doesn't.

580
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: Necessarily have to be full term. But they believe that

581
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: the baby would have been able to live and breathe

582
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: on its own if not for what she did, which

583
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: is important because when in that situation, well, the next

584
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: thing that we're going to talk about is how we

585
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: could determine if the baby was came out dead or

586
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: was a stillborn. So a stillborn is just another word

587
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: for a miscarriage, but a stillborn happens after twenty or

588
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: twenty one weeks of pregnancy, so before that they call

589
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: it a miscarriage. After that they call it a stillborn.

590
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: So if she just so happened to give birth to this,

591
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: even if it was a full term infant and it

592
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: was already dead, then she wouldn't get in trouble for that,

593
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't think so, just maybe not disposing human means

594
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: properly or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the charges are interesting because the charges are abuse

596
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, and concealing the

597
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: birth of an infant. So I guess the question we

598
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: have to ask is why did this happen? Of course,

599
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: there's laws at play. Abortion is illegal in Kentucky. She

600
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: did have a boyfriend. We don't really know much about

601
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: him at this time. We know his social media has

602
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: been deleted.

603
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of pictures on just circulate

604
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: him online because obviously there's so many online sleuths now

605
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: and there's pic you know, every when everyone hears this,

606
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: they immediately go to someone's social media and look at

607
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: all the pictures. So she was in this special cheerleading

608
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: group that did acrobatics and stuff, and so one theory

609
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: is just like, well, if she was pregnant, she would

610
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: they the university definitely would not have let her do

611
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: that because it's it's a dangerous sport. It's actually in

612
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: the top twenty dangerous sports for head injuries and things

613
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: like that. So the school would have been like, you're

614
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: not doing that pregnant. But there's pictures of her doing

615
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: this sport and she looks pregnant, like every I mean,

616
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Speaker 3: just if you look at a hard time with that,

617
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: because I'm like.

618
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: On certain days, if I eat certain meals, I could

619
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Speaker 2: look like I'm six months long.

620
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Speaker 3: No, And I totally understand that. It's just like in

621
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: hindsight though, she's a thin, fit woman that does gymnastics essentially,

622
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: and then her shirt is tight and she just has

623
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: that very classic appearance. And now you're hearing buzz that

624
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: a lot of her family and friends were like chatting

625
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: about it.

626
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: Well. It is interesting because people also posted pictures earlier

627
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: this afternoon what appeared to be a maternity issue, and

628
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people are arguing it was just nice

629
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: couple photos. But there's one pose in particular where they're

630
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: laying on the grass and the boyfriend's holding onto her

631
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: stomach and I don't think, you know, I wouldn't take

632
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: that picture with my husband in a normal situation. So

633
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: I'm just having a hard time placing myself in that scenario.

634
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: Also on TikTok only in June, she had posted a

635
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: video and put goals and then put an emoji of

636
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: the mom holding a baby, which.

637
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: Is kind of unusual. Yeah, so I don't know, I

638
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: don't know what's going on with that. But so they'll

639
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: do the autopsy and they'll try to determine if this

640
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: baby was indeed still born or if it was born alive,

641
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: because that's gonna have a lot to do with any

642
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: charges obviously. So the way that we can tell that

643
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: at autopsy is when you when you look at the baby. Sometimes, well,

644
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: they already did the autopsy and they looked at the baby,

645
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: and they said they didn't see anything, which means that

646
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: they didn't see any obvious signs of trauma. If she

647
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: did something like a blunt trauma, hit the baby with

648
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: an instrument or something, or tried to strangle the baby,

649
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: nothing like that. I hate even saying these things out

650
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: loud because they're so disturbing, But nothing like that was seen.

651
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: If she did put the baby alive inside of the bag,

652
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: then you might not really see anything at least at

653
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: the autopsy itself. But one interesting thing that you could

654
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: sometimes see, especially in a baby that's fresh, freshly been dead,

655
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: not decomposed, is that you could see if their lungs

656
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: look a little bit different if they've taken a breath.

657
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: And when you take the lungs out, they're usually like

658
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: more inflated looking and they look puffier as opposed to

659
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: if the baby never took a breath, they would be

660
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: kind of like smaller and heavier. And sometimes you could

661
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: actually take those lungs out and put them in water

662
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: and they would float if they had air in them,

663
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: because though the lung is almost like a sponge, it's

664
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: a really really cool organ So they're waiting for the

665
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: microscopics to come back on that and then they'll be

666
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: able to determine more because there are different changes that

667
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: you could see in the alveola or the air sacks

668
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: of the lung, and you could also see air and

669
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: the lung. It's not a tell sign, but along with

670
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: the investigation and what she says, that could really help

671
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: them determine if the baby was born alive and what

672
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: she did.

673
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm confused today too, because she pleaded

674
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: not guilty, but then she had told them everything that happened.

675
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: So she's been released on one hundred thousand dollars bond,

676
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: put on house arrests with no monitor at her parents'

677
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: home in Tennessee. Obviously, she had to drop out of

678
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: school because can't go to school across states. And I

679
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to want this whole craziness

680
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: attached to them, So I don't know. We cover these

681
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: stories from time to time, and they're just really horrible

682
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: to hear about. You don't want to think about somebody

683
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: doing something like this. I was really disturbed by her mugshot.

684
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: She just seems like annoyed to be there, not sad

685
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: or disturbed or in distress or anything. And I just

686
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: have a hard time putting myself in that person's shoes,

687
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: you know.

688
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I could speak from this a little

689
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: bit personally because when I I got pregnant with you,

690
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 3: I was in ninth grade and I remember, like I mean,

691
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 3: I was way younger than she is, obviously, but I

692
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 3: just remember this certain like denial of like I like

693
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: I knew something was up, but like I did, I

694
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: didn't want my life to stop kind of and but

695
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: but like I feel like like I cause I kind

696
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 3: of waited a long time to tell mom.

697
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: Mom.

698
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: I feel like a long time. I was like for

699
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: way further along, you know, because then I was like,

700
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: oh shit, I'm in trouble, Like I need to tell

701
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: my mom. But I was scared, you know, like it

702
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: was just something I didn't I didn't really want to

703
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: deal with. But so you could imagine that if she

704
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: was in college and had a boyfriend and and was

705
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: doing the cheerleading competition and things were going well, that

706
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: this might have been going on in her body, but

707
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: she was just totally disconnected from it or something like that.

708
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I don't know. We'll bring you an update.

709
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: We say this all the time. We always hear well

710
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: about I never know what's always going to happen to

711
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: as soon as we walk out of this room, there's

712
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: going to be a major break in the case. It

713
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: happens every single time we record.

714
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: If you see it shouted out, we want to.

715
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: We might have to have like an emergency session.

716
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: The worst audio ever will do voice memo in the

717
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: hotel room editing.

718
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about this blue vulva.

719
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So in June, comedian Catherine Ryan announced she was

720
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: expecting her fourth child, and recently, while in the Nearly

721
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: Parents podcast, she revealed that she's experiencing this very unusual

722
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: side effect.

723
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's that unusually, are you sure?

724
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 3: I've never heard of this, what having a blue vulva?

725
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: So she just let's talk about this. She was pregnant,

726
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 3: So that's that's a huge clue. Okay, So when you're pregnant,

727
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: you have more blood in your body. That's number one,

728
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: because it's supplying more nutrients, and so your veins are

729
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: just working overtime anyway. So your veins are the ones

730
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: that are bringing the blood back up to your heart.

731
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: And then you have hormones that make your them more

732
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: elastic and loose, so they stretch out more and they

733
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: have to work a little bit harder to get that

734
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: blood back up to your heart. And then finally you

735
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: have this big, heavy uterus that is pushing on them

736
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: and compressing them. It's making the blood harder to get

737
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: back up to your heart. So what happens is it

738
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: starts backing up. Have you ever heard of a pregnant

739
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: woman having hemorrhoids? Yeah, yes, that's what it is. Okay, okay,

740
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: So hemorrhoids are varicos veins in your butt, and this

741
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: is vericosveins in your vulva, So it goes away then, yeah,

742
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: it should go away with with delivery. Wait, so, well,

743
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. Sometimes they around for a while after

744
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: but they but a lot of times, Yeah, it could

745
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: be delivery is the cure?

746
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Well, she said, my vagina, or my vulva rather is

747
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: blue blue lace of smurf, like an avatar vedge.

748
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: So we can appreciate that.

749
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: And I liked what this one commenter said on this

750
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: podcast too. Can we normalize talking about our anatomy. If

751
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: you've listened to our show, you probably know all the

752
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: ins and outs and TMI about our bodies because we

753
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: have been a problem talking about the most are end.

754
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: I've never had a blue badge, I have it, but

755
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: we do have a case on our website of it.

756
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: And it looks this woman has such big varico spins

757
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: and she said that she really had a hard time

758
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: with the like itch it's so it's a lot of

759
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 3: a feeling of pressure but itchy. It's the same symptoms

760
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: that you get with hemorrhoids. Like, yeah, you know that

761
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: gross you know. Let me tell you guys a funny

762
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: hemorrhoids story. We were so my so my little one

763
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: who is twelve, her friend. Her friend was over and

764
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: the mom came and picked her up. So we were

765
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 3: just talking and luckily I'm like friendlier with this mom,

766
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: like I've known her for a couple of years. And

767
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: an Amazon order gets delivered. So my kids just decide

768
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: to go on the porch and open it and they

769
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: pull out hemorrhoid cream like like it was so embarrassed,

770
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: and I was like and they're like, Mom, what's this for?

771
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: And I was just like, because I had three kids, dude,

772
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: like I have issues sometimes.

773
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: Sorry, they'll learn one day with our genetics.

774
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait, all right.

775
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: At a Miami airport or at a Miami airport. At

776
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: the Miami Airport, this woman was in the checkout line

777
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: with her four year old son who was crying.

778
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: Another woman came up to them.

779
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: Offered to keep the boy calm or try to help

780
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: him calm down, which the mother agreed to. So this

781
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: complete rando picks up this woman's child and basically runs

782
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: away and refuses to give the kid back, and he

783
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: is like, this is my kid now?

784
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what it's it's crazy, right, But from like

785
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: a security perspective, you didn't see any of this go down,

786
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: so you're just like, what's happening right now? Exactly?

787
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: So the mother is trying to get her child back

788
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: and this stranger is saying, no, this is my child

789
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: and then proceeds to wrap her arms and legs around him.

790
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: Which how traumatic is this for a boy that's you know,

791
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: he's already having a meltdown and then you have this

792
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: completely random woman doing this to you. So then a

793
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: bystander ended up getting involved and was able to rescue

794
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: the boy, but.

795
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: She had a hide behind a counter. Yeah, it's really crazy.

796
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: We have a lot of stories recently that were just

797
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: like the people not realize that there's cameras everywhere, like

798
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: they probably went and looked at the footage, especially in

799
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: an airport like hold on.

800
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: I think also when you're a mom and your kids

801
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: freaking out just so bad and anybody just caught I mean,

802
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: you could speak to this more, but when anybody's offering

803
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: you help and you're in an airport, which is an

804
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: incredibly stressful situation in general, and then your kids screaming,

805
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: and you see another woman come up and is like, oh,

806
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: I could help. You Just think that they're gonna be

807
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: helpful and not try to abduct your child.

808
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: It is really I don't even understand what happened there.

809
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: She's really lucky she didn't run out the door because

810
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: it was before the security gate. I mean that could

811
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: have went really wrong.

812
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah she could. Yeah, you're right. I don't know.

813
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: The whole thing just really stresses me out to think about.

814
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: And thank god this other this other woman that got

815
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: involved was a mother too, and she was like I

816
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: just was was a mom and I just had to

817
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: jump in and do something and help.

818
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: Ugh, people are crazy guys.

819
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Just then, speaking to crazy, you're really not gonna believe

820
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: this one. A UK surgeon has been sentenced to jail

821
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: time after his quote sexual obsession with amputations led him

822
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: to removing his own legs.

823
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: So this guy and we have we always have stories

824
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: about doctors, which are like one of the most difficult

825
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: fields of any kind of academics. I mean sometimes if

826
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: you really you have to do undergrad four years, and

827
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: then you have to do medical school four years, and

828
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: then you have to do fellowships and internships and residencies,

829
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: and usually you don't even get your real job until

830
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: you're in your mid thirties. It's a lot, it's a

831
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: lot of work. And that's if you go straight out

832
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: of high school. So you think, like, why why are

833
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: these people doing things like this to ruin their career.

834
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: It's just nuts. So he was a vascular surgeon and

835
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: I don't know he was found to I guess he

836
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: got found because he was going on all these weird

837
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: porn sites.

838
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this investigation is truly insane. So in twenty twenty three,

839
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: police were investigating this guy who ran this extreme body

840
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: mutilation website called Unich Maker. You guys know I have

841
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: pronunciation issues too, but I'm just thinking, this website exists,

842
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: and it seems like it was up for a while,

843
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: and these people are making pornographic videos cutting their genitals off.

844
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: So they were investigating this website and came across the

845
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: surgeon who had purchased multiple videos off of this site,

846
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: and then saw that he also exchanged fifteen hundred messages

847
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: with the guy running the site about how he amputated

848
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: his own legs and basically committed this massive insurance fraud

849
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: on top of it, so they had to look into

850
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: that guy. He ended up stealing over six hundred thousand

851
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: dollars between two insurance companies. How are you going to

852
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: brag about doing this? I think you're not getting caught.

853
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: I just remembered about this thing I wrote about a

854
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. I totally forgot. I came across

855
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: a weird like subreddit page of guys that were caught

856
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: and off their own balls. That's never a good place

857
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: to be, and like it's not, but like I had

858
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: to look, like I had to look. So so I

859
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: was looking at that and I just reading the post

860
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: and there was like ten thousand members in this group

861
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: talking about like injecting their balls with like chemicals to

862
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: self castraate and all of this stuff cutting them off.

863
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: So there's a whole field of this. Okay, so how

864
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: did this guy do it? Oh? So this particular guy,

865
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, so because I was going to talk

866
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: about this too. There's something called body integrity dysphoria, which

867
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: is where people are born and they think that they

868
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: should be handicapped. It's it's really crazy. So they think

869
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: that they should be amputees, and they think they should

870
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: be blind and they want to have a surgeon like

871
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: remove their eyes, and it's but there's not it doesn't

872
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: seem that there's a sexual component to that. But the

873
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 3: obviously there's a lot of controversy abound. But there's people

874
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: that that get their let their limbs and their fingers

875
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: and stuff cut off that are perfectly healthy and like

876
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: want to be in a wheelchair. So obviously the controversy

877
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: is like, number one, that's just not cool to do

878
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: to handicap people. Number Two, what about like health insurance,

879
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: life insurance, disability insurance, Like should they be eligible for

880
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: disability insurance if they gave themselves the disability. So this guy,

881
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know why he wanted to

882
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: cut off his his own legs. Well, I mean did

883
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: they say why.

884
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: Well, they said he suffered from body dysmorpheus since childhood

885
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: and his feet were quote an unwelcome extra and persisting,

886
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: never ending discomfort to him.

887
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't I just don't even understand what's

888
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: happening here. But this guy, so he wanted to get

889
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 3: his legs amputated. So usually if you go to any

890
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: surgeon and you want to have like a perfectly healthy

891
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: body part cut off. They're like, I'm not doing that.

892
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: So he went He decided to take matters into his

893
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: own hands, and he put his legs in ice and

894
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: dry ice and basically gave himself frostbite to the point

895
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: where he had to have both of his legs amputated,

896
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: which I imagine was extremely painful. But on top of that,

897
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: so he goes to the hospital with bilateral like two

898
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: legs gangerine black from having frostbite, and convinces them at

899
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: the hospital that he has sepsis, which is a bacterial

900
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: infection that goes throughout your blood and spreads to your organs.

901
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know why they just like took his

902
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: word for it, like they didn't do any work up

903
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: at the hospital. I guess because he was a surgeon.

904
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: I just want to say, oh, that's just weird, like

905
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: it's you wouldn't hurt.

906
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: I trusted another medical professional. Also side note, he was

907
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 2: performing hundreds of amputation procedures on other pages.

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: If you have sepsy, like listen, obviously the guy wasn't

909
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: walking into the hospital anyway with his black legs. But

910
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: if you have sepsis, you're not like you're not just

911
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: like totally fine to just be like, I have sepsis,

912
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: Like you're you're like borderline in a coma, like you're

913
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: really sick. I don't know what happens in the UK.

914
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: I mean, weird things go down. The body is the

915
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: same here though, as it is in the UK. I

916
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: don't know.

917
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: So he gets six hundred and twenty five thousand American

918
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: dollars value from the insurance companies and then proceeds to

919
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: spend that money on an RV home improvement's a hot tub,

920
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: along with gifts to his wife and other works.

921
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 3: So I just don't understand this whole thing. I guess

922
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: because it was a fetish.

923
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: And then the hospital made some statement that his actions

924
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: didn't impact affect his professional life at all. But this

925
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: guy is performing amputations and buying amputation porn.

926
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: You don't think he's.

927
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: Going home and being discussing, you know, after working.

928
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: For the day. Yeah, Like, I'm really disturbed by that.

929
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: And think about all his patients that know this now

930
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: that are amputees that are like, oh god, he was

931
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: touching my stump. Like there's actually like a whole entire.

932
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: That's another thing. I had a case one time of

933
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: a guy that was having sex with his wife and

934
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: she had like wood splinters in her vagina when she

935
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: went to the hospital, and it was because he was

936
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: like sticking his like prosthetic stump inside of her. Like wow, yeah,

937
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: that's a thing like amputee. Like, well, clearly this website

938
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: had everything. I don't know it. Yeah, it's it's really disturbing.

939
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: And you know what, he went to jail for insurance fraud,

940
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: so it would they have caught him if he wasn't

941
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: practice This is my question.

942
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: I know it's weird, but like if you want to

943
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: stick your stump in someone's vagina, Like, why is that illegal?

944
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be do whatever you want. Like, what's the

945
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: illegal part of the porn?

946
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm no, it's the porn. Well, I guess it's

947
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: because it was promoting self mutilation. So I think the

948
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: problem I have with it is that he clearly had

949
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: a fetish with it. So is he like doing that

950
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: and then going in his office and like getting busy,

951
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, Like I don't know. I just think it's

952
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: really disturbing, but it is. He's going to jail for

953
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: only two years and eight months.

954
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: Real nice, what's up? What the jail sentences.

955
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 2: By the way, we are so aggravated all the time

956
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: by the jail sentences. They'll be like, somebody got a

957
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: dui and killed somebody, they get two months probation.

958
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: Well, and then you guys are all familiar with the

959
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Harrow one that we've been covering for a couple

960
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: of weeks. That was the little baby that was kidnapped

961
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: from outside of a sporting goods store from his mother, right,

962
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: and then they ended up saying that she said he

963
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: was kidnapped. Ye, that's why I did my little air ques.

964
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 3: But we were just saying today actually that that case

965
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 3: has kind of fallen off a little bit because they

966
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: were all on it. But I guess they said I

967
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: guess the latest is that the dad admitted in jail

968
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: that he put the baby in a trash can. So

969
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: maybe they just think that they're never going to be

970
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: able to find the body. I don't.

971
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this story is weird because it was all over

972
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: and then I think because it gets so highly publicized

973
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: that things get lost, because I didn't even see that

974
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: until you told me about it, and I was actively

975
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: researching at the time.

976
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: And I guess the reason that I'm bringing it up

977
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: right now is because you know their child was clearly

978
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: I think anyway just by looking at the kid that

979
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: he looked like he had signs of abuse and particularly

980
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 3: like some kind of a head trauma, like a shaken

981
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: baby syndrome or something like that. But before that, this guy,

982
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 3: this dad they say abused his child. He did not

983
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: abuse that child. He tried to kill that child, and

984
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: the kid has lifelong suffering. If you went up to

985
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: a stranger on the street and beat them within an

986
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: inch of their life and they survived and had to

987
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: be in a wheelchair the rest of your life, you

988
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: would go to jail for a really long time, if

989
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: not for the rest of your life.

990
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it because you have cases like

991
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 2: that where this guy basically killed a child, and it's

992
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: like one thing if you're killing another adult, obviously super

993
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: wrong also, but if you're doing that to a child,

994
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: I just think you're like, It's what Cheryl was kind

995
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: of talking about in her session earlier, how you can

996
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: tell somebody the most disturbing details of a case, but

997
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: when you know they attacked an animal, you're like, what's

998
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: wrong with them? It's kind of the same way I

999
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: feel about babies. You're an extra terrible person if you

1000
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: do something to a child, and that person will get

1001
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: no jail time. And then I think of these dumb

1002
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: reality stars that defraud banks and they get like fifteen

1003
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: years in prison.

1004
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: I just will never understand it, I know.

1005
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: Or they'll let super dangerous people get out on bond.

1006
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: Remember the mother that supplied her teenage son with all

1007
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: the weapons to execute a mass shooting. Yeah, why is

1008
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: she even allowed to get out?

1009
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: Don't just do something else again?

1010
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: They found a photo on her phone of her pointing

1011
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: a shotgun at her three year old.

1012
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: Terrible is going on? So j Carrow only got only

1013
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: got one hundred and eighty days in jail, and then

1014
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: they only made him serve one day. And that so

1015
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: his daughter. He beat her so bad that she's blind,

1016
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: she's in a wheelchair. She will need lifelong care. She

1017
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: has a feeding tube and all this stuff. And I

1018
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: just can't wrap my brain around it. I can't. You

1019
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: know what you just said though, that reminded me of

1020
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: something totally different about the dog situation. What I did

1021
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: a celebrity. I wrote a celebrity death disseection on Jane Mansfield,

1022
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: which I'm going to talk about in my lecture a

1023
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: little bit tomorrow too, but not this particular topic. So

1024
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: I show all of these picture she was in this

1025
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 3: horrific car accident that sheared the top of the car

1026
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: off and and her her head her brain was evulsed

1027
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: from her skull and like very bloody, messy scene. And

1028
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: in that post I posted a picture of her dog

1029
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: died in the accident, and people like wanted to slice

1030
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: my throat because of that. They're like, oh, dead woman

1031
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: head on the dashboard. Fine, dead dog, It's off limits.

1032
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: Like it's all the time on our website, you know.

1033
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: I think the most backlash we got was the carnival one,

1034
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: because we had posted some pictures of animals that were

1035
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: or not at a carnival at the circus, like old pictures.

1036
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can see.

1037
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: The worst of the worst photographs, but when it comes

1038
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: to an we'll forget it.

1039
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true, all right.

1040
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: So let's get into our last story. So nurses at

1041
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: a California urgent care have been fired after taking photos

1042
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: with bodily fluids from patients and posting them on TikTok

1043
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: making fun of them.

1044
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: Did you guys see this video. Everybody saw it. Yeah,

1045
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: this is the thing with viral videos.

1046
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: Like so for those of you that aren't familiar with this,

1047
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: if you just need to visualize, especially if you're a woman,

1048
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, you go to the obgin, you lay down

1049
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: on the table, you're in an extremely vulnerable position.

1050
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: You just comes out. It just happens. Whatever fluids are

1051
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: coming out. They also use ky jelly. Yeah, it's it's juicy,

1052
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: like you know, they give you a wipe and they're

1053
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: like you're getting ultrasound.

1054
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: They're sticking that medieval contraption in you, like a bunch

1055
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: of stuff's going down there. So of course fluids are

1056
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: coming out. Think about going home later and just scrolling

1057
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: TikTok and then seeing your nurse that just tended to

1058
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: you earlier that day posing with what's possibly your fluids

1059
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 2: on the exam table.

1060
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: It's it's so weird, right.

1061
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: It's weird to even take the pictures. Why would you

1062
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: even want to take the pictures with the fluid? And

1063
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: then I'm looking through these photos and there's eight employees.

1064
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. I'm just like,

1065
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: there's eight people, all like educated but nurses, assistants. I

1066
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 3: don't know if there was any doctors there, pas, whatever,

1067
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: And you're like they all thought that this was a

1068
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 3: good idea to do this. I don't. I just don't understand.

1069
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: And they're making captions like make sure you leave your

1070
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: healthcare workers sweet little gifts like these. What's wrong with

1071
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: these people?

1072
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: Really? They're likely never going to get a job in

1073
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 3: healthcare again, why would you ever hire somebody? And it's

1074
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: the same exact thing, like you just threw away all

1075
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: of your education and all of your job experience for that,

1076
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: like the social media and wanted to do the viral

1077
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: video thing, like seriously, like this is not the first

1078
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: time we talked about this, Like it scares me that

1079
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: nobody thought that that was not going to be a

1080
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: good idea.

1081
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean the high my mentality going on

1082
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: with that group of people is extremely concerning. And it

1083
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: seems like the videos were old.

1084
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: But I just I just don't get Like, I don't

1085
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: get it. It's not even because it's supposed to be funny,

1086
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: like what I was saying, this is my theory.

1087
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: What So they're claiming a former employee who hadn't worked

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00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 2: there for two months like went rogue and just posted

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00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: them all and I'm thinking they had a group chat

1090
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: and they were sending them to each other, and then

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00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: she probably got fired or something and was like, f

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00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: all you people, I'm exposing all of you, getting everybody

1093
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: at drown. It's still like it's still weird and I

1094
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: don't even like listen like I understand. I feel like

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00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: I understand things that are funny, Like I I send.

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00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: Funny pictures to people all the time. I just like

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: if someone sent that to me, I'd be like I

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00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't even I'd be like, oh, yeah, like, oh, I

1099
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: went to the dentist and I got some blood on

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00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 3: the on the little bib they put on me, Like ooh,

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00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: it's so like it's so your I don't know, Like

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00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: just I just don't understand it. I don't know.

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00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: I think when you're a woman in particular, and you're

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00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: at that kind of a doctor's appointment where you're like,

1105
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: you know, spread eagle on the table, it's already massively uncomfortable,

1106
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: it's vulnerable in general, and then to know these people

1107
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: are making fun of you behind your back for something

1108
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: your body just so naturally does.

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00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: It's just the weirdest thing ever. Yeah, don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I do when I go though, when I see that,

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00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: I usually like rip the paper and throw.

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00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: It in the I think everybody's going to at this

1113
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: point because you're gonna be worried that I don't understand,

1114
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: because it's not even just gen Z. It's like millennials

1115
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: and a lot of boomers too, like momm listing her

1116
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: bras on Facebook marketplace just she did.

1117
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Speaker 3: My mother did this. You know, we have this theory.

1118
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: Maria was going to start this social media page called

1119
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 3: Boomer's Gone Wild cause like we have so many people

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00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: in our life that they just don't really understand how

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00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: Facebook works. Like really they don't understand that. Like everybody

1122
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: could see it for some reason. And my mom's like

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00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: they were perfectly good bras. I didn't want to throw

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00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: them away.

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00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: The best was on one post it said make your

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00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: first name fuck and make the first four letters of

1127
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 2: your last name fuck and write it and she puts fuck,

1128
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: fuck teary, and we're like, we screenshot it, and she goes,

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00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: how did you see that? And like your coworkers saw

1130
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: it too.

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00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: We love it, like we send it to all of

1132
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: our like cousins and stuff. It's just great. We're just

1133
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 3: like this is and it comes up all the time,

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00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 3: Like I think I even saved this her picture in

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00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: my phone, like because you had.

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00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: We're just like, yeah, she's doing it all the time.

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00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: But I guess just my point is, I'm really concerned

1138
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: about just people being so quick to post things on

1139
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: social We've had videos in the past where we had

1140
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: that one with there was a school shooting and a

1141
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: girl was literally taking a video of the gunshots. I'm like, hello,

1142
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: a person bleeding on the ground that oh, yeah, there

1143
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: was a person bleeding on She was like.

1144
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 3: Folding her Starbucks cup and walking by. Unbelievable.

1145
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: There's videos of people getting just hit by buses and

1146
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, twitching on the ground and someone's like, oh,

1147
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: let me put this on TikTok instead of trying to

1148
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: help you.

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00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know, especially in healthcare though, It's like

1150
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if any of you guys work in healthcare,

1151
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: but it is drilled in your head from day one,

1152
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: multiple times a day, like not to do anything like

1153
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: that hip. And I guess technically that's not a hip

1154
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: of violation, but it's like you could figure out where

1155
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: those nurses work and that place and then any like

1156
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: if I was a patient there between that time, I'd

1157
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: be like, Oh cool, is that like my badge lip

1158
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: print on the paper? Like that's going viral right now.

1159
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: I want credit for that.

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00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: I believe what happened was the video got posted on TikTok,

1161
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: and then it got posted in a Reddit, and somebody said,

1162
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: I know where that is because they knew the people

1163
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: in the video, and they are the ones that reported

1164
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: it directly, so it got removed, and the person that

1165
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: put most it made their account private. But the Internet's forever, sweetheart,

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00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know what you're thinking,

1167
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: all right, guys, Well, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: to our session today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 3: my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a

1171
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,760
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Speaker 3: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 3: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

1178
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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,400
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1181
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,240
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