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Speaker 1: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pisovic.

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Speaker 3: Christ is king.

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Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: We're here live in Washington, d C. Today is August

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Jack, Thanks thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 5: It's a very very important day here, and I was

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Speaker 1: We've got to get General Finn. We've got to We've

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Speaker 1: will be him. Right back, Jack of Silvia Human Events

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Speaker 11: Little Market Voice that you talk about influencers, These are

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Speaker 7: Jack.

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Speaker 5: at the tail end of really the well, actually it

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Speaker 5: was probably the middle of the Obama administration. So, I mean,

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Speaker 5: there's so much history here that we have to in

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Speaker 5: recent history that we have to understand to be able

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Speaker 5: to have this negotiated settlement that has a long term

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Speaker 5: value to it, a long term value proposition, not just

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Speaker 5: something that is a ceasefire which will end, you know,

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Speaker 5: at the next time somebody blinks the wrong way. So

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Speaker 5: that map that you're showing is so meaningful. And I

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Speaker 5: do know that there's some other things that are going

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Speaker 5: to be in play here. I love the fact and

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Speaker 5: let me just throw this in because it matters Trump's

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Speaker 5: pressure on Venezuela right now. Okay, Russia has a long

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Speaker 5: term and they have they have you know, sits inside

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Speaker 5: of inside of Venezuela. Venezuela is right off of our

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Speaker 5: borders here, folks. So this pressure that Trump is providing

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Speaker 5: against Venezuela right now matters to these negotiations. This is

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Speaker 5: why when people talk about three D, four D, five

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Speaker 5: D chess. Trump is a master at this, and he's

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Speaker 5: and he's got levers of power and lovers of authority

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Speaker 5: that he's able to exert when he goes in to

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Speaker 5: bring these two, you know, these two presidents together. Last point, Jack,

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Speaker 5: and I'll get off my high horse. In the Oval office,

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Speaker 5: there was a question to Zelenski about, well, you've are

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Speaker 5: you going to have an election again? You know, you

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Speaker 5: declared martial law, right and he says, well, no, we

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Speaker 5: can't have an election until the war's over. Wait a second,

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Speaker 5: you know, as I as I wrote about the other day, Hey,

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Speaker 5: during the American Civil War, we've had elections. During the

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Speaker 5: World War Two, we've had elections, so so that's that's

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Speaker 5: a misnomer for Zelensky to say that. To me, that

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Speaker 5: means he's in a very weakened position. And the Russians

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Speaker 5: know that. I believe that. Yet Europe knows that he's

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Speaker 5: in a weakened position because the people, and I think

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Speaker 5: we talked about this, maybe off camera, the people in

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Speaker 5: Ukraine this sixty seventy percent. In a recent Gallupold had said,

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Speaker 5: we don't want.

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Speaker 1: This, they want to this thing.

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Speaker 5: That's jo.

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Speaker 1: We've got a run. I know you've got to run.

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Speaker 1: You've got a number of meetings. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for being so gracious with your time. Where can

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Speaker 1: people go to follow you and get all your access

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Speaker 1: to your state reps?

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Speaker 5: And they go to General Flynn dot com. General Flynn

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Speaker 5: dot com. I got a new book out, Partner of Innocence.

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Speaker 5: It's a great bestseller. So General Flynn dot com, thanks Shack.

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Speaker 1: General Flynn dot com, get that book. Make sure you're

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Speaker 1: supporting a great American general. To be right back you.

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Speaker 1: Devens Daily remark his voice, Yeah, where's Jack?

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Speaker 5: Where is he? Jack? I want to see you. Great job, Jack,

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Speaker 5: Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we

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Speaker 5: have an incredible thing. We're always talking about.

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Speaker 10: The fake news and demand, but we have guys, and

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Speaker 10: these are the guys you're forgetting Pulasushki.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack, Mizpa here we are back Human Events Daily, Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. We're talking about deal or no deal? What

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Speaker 1: is the situation? Does it seem like the deadlock, the

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Speaker 1: diplomatic deadlock is locked in? Or will President Trump ironically

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Speaker 1: be going to Alaska to thaw the ice? We certainly

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Speaker 1: has thought it in a sense with Russia, the question

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Speaker 1: is will he be able to get Europe to come along.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to get Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer on right now.

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Speaker 1: We just had General Flynn give us his sit rep

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to bring Tony Shaffer on now. Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: Carl Shaffer, how are you hey?

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Speaker 6: I'm well, Jack, always great to join. Thanks for having

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Speaker 6: me well.

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Speaker 1: I got so Tony. You know, I always tell people

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Speaker 1: that every time I have you on, I just you've

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Speaker 1: got to take the biggest victory lap ever. Because Tony

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Speaker 1: Shaffer was the one who told us look to the

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Speaker 1: end of July. The end of July is when all

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine is going to blow up. Uh, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be counter offensives, there's going to be all this stuff

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Speaker 1: going on, and nobody in the world was talking about

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Speaker 1: it except for Tony Schaeffer. And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Not only did we see that break out by the

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Speaker 1: Russian forces, but it also triggered what it worries about

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Speaker 1: a collapse in Ukraine. And then this huge, monumental, historic

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Speaker 1: swing of diplomatic meetings with President Trump, Vladimir Putin and

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Speaker 1: the multilateral mini summit at the White House. So kudos

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Speaker 1: to you, Tony for just nailing that. So Tony when

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Speaker 1: and we're just playing a clip of the summer there,

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Speaker 1: So Tony, when you know, when you look at things,

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Speaker 1: you know you saw that at the beginning of the summer,

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Speaker 1: you saw that this would be an inflection point. Where

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Speaker 1: do you see things as it stands now?

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Speaker 6: Well, to summarize the military situation, it's dire for Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: I don't think people fully understand it. I think President

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Speaker 6: Trump has people around him who are not quite being

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Speaker 6: honest with him regarding how bad it is. The whole

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Speaker 6: pork Trosk encirclement. Anybody can go there's a number of

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Speaker 6: outlets which are covering this and the Russians fall they're

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Speaker 6: not anxious to get it done. They are getting it done,

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Speaker 6: and they're strangling off the last effective forces as off

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Speaker 6: Brigade as they're deployed. The azof Brigade is being essentially

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Speaker 6: used as kind of a stop gap to stop the inevitable.

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Speaker 6: It's just coming, and once it happens, it's going to

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Speaker 6: be catastrophic for the Ukrainian military. There's been some leaked

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Speaker 6: doc which I don't necessarily think are completely accurate, but

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Speaker 6: there are indications that finally the word is out about

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Speaker 6: the enormous losses of Ukraine and Jack. We've talked about

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Speaker 6: this from the beginning of the war. The Russians have

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Speaker 6: an order of magnitude more people to throw at this,

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Speaker 6: and they don't have to do it all at once,

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Speaker 6: and they're not so I think I think that Putin

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Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin probably had a private conversation with President Trump saying, look,

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Speaker 6: this is all over. We're kind of holding back because

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Speaker 6: you know, we don't see the need to be you know,

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Speaker 6: aggressive to the point where we have to go to

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Speaker 6: the neper But we're going to continue to move forward.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's the military situation, the diplomatic situation.

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Speaker 6: The Europeans jack continued to drag their feet. You saw

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Speaker 6: Mertz that, you know, the German chancellor saying, oh, we

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Speaker 6: want this, this cease fire. Nobody's going to go for

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Speaker 6: a cease fire at this point. That who understands the situation,

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Speaker 6: and the Russians most certainly will not because they're winning.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's the situation. And the question becomes,

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Speaker 6: will President Trump have the force of will I'd like

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Speaker 6: to believe within the next ten days to get Vladimir

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Speaker 6: Putin and voldemirt Zelenski together in a room somewhere where

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Speaker 6: they can sit down and hash out the two issues,

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Speaker 6: which remain what exactly the security guarantees me because that's

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Speaker 6: the big issue, and secondly, what land is going to

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Speaker 6: go where regarding the outcome, And I know there continues

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Speaker 6: to be this reluctance to give up the land the

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Speaker 6: Russians hold, but I just don't see any way out

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Speaker 6: of giving some land of the Russians. So that's the

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Speaker 6: way you see the situation right now.

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Speaker 1: And it's it really comes down to it. And I've

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Speaker 1: seen I saw one report earlier this morning saying that

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Speaker 1: Zelenski is at least privately conceding that he likely will

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Speaker 1: have to say, have to agree to a frozen conflict

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Speaker 1: along at least the contact line where it is now,

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Speaker 1: which is strikingly similar to those old maps of Novarosia.

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Speaker 1: This the idea of new Russia or Mala Russia, like

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Speaker 1: the Little Russia that they would that they would show

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Speaker 1: you go back to the Russian Civil War. This was

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Speaker 1: very much the same area where the White Army was

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Speaker 1: able to make some of their final stand against the

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Speaker 1: Bolshevik So this these are cities. These are and when

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Speaker 1: I say cities, I mean I mean you know, towns, villages,

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Speaker 1: farmlands that have seen war after war after war. So

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Speaker 1: in the Russian Civil War, which of course in this

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Speaker 1: program I've talked about at great length, as well as

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Speaker 1: of course World War Two, many of the same area.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when people look on a map, you know

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Speaker 1: the Balakhirsk, it happens right there. And then Stalingrad is

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Speaker 1: really not much further to the east of don Bass,

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Speaker 1: and I think people need to remember that that don

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Speaker 1: Bass is sort of the door to It's not Stalingrad. Anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's Vulgo Grad now, but really the door to the

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Speaker 1: Volga and then that cuts you right up to Moscow.

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Speaker 1: So this is key strategic land for the Russians, something

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Speaker 1: that they fought for for a long long time and

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Speaker 1: something that they take very seriously.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and to that point, I still see this entire

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Speaker 6: engagement as a form of civil war. I just don't

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Speaker 6: believe we should have been ever involved to the level

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Speaker 6: we are at this point. With that said, if anyone

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Speaker 6: who looks at the Battle of Kursk, the Battle of Stalingrad,

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Speaker 6: once those major engagements were done, once the Russian military

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Speaker 6: had open field, they took it and I mean fast.

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Speaker 6: So I keep hearing Keith Callog and others side, Wow,

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Speaker 6: you know they've been they've been at war for three

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Speaker 6: years and they've not made a lot of gains. They

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Speaker 6: don't have to. The basic philosophy and strategy is attrition.

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Speaker 6: They want to demilitarize Ukraine, which is frankly NATO as well,

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Speaker 6: and that's what they've been doing. And the other thing

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Speaker 6: Jack I find interesting is this whole idea of a

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Speaker 6: security guaranteed security force. Many of the European nations are

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Speaker 6: not prepared to do anything. I mean, I think the

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Speaker 6: British Army right now is smaller than the Mississippi National Guard.

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Speaker 6: So I just don't know how the European militaries who

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Speaker 6: were significant during the Cold War have been reduced to

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Speaker 6: probably one tenth of their size during that time, and

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Speaker 6: how the guarante that, you know, how they want to

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Speaker 6: put boots on the ground constantly, Jack, It's insane. And

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Speaker 6: I think one of the things that has to be

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Speaker 6: introduced to the conversation is reality. So much of what

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Speaker 6: I see posturing from the Europeans is based on fiction,

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Speaker 6: and I think President Trump has to be a lot

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Speaker 6: more vigorous. I know he's trying to be polite and diplomatic,

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Speaker 6: and he did call out Mertz, but he's got to

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Speaker 6: be a lot more direct about what he President Trump

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Speaker 6: wants regarding an instinate, because left to the devices of

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Speaker 6: both sides, it's never going to happen. He's got to

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Speaker 6: be the leader. He's got to set up the framework

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Speaker 6: and he's got to say this is what has to

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Speaker 6: be done and go with that. I think that's the

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Speaker 6: only way this is going to be resolved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, and if you look at that video

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Speaker 1: when they're all sitting there around the table in the

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Speaker 1: multi lad when Mayor's brought that up about own we're

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Speaker 1: going to push for a ceasefire, and we need a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: We need to preconde for the ceasefire before we move

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Speaker 1: to peace talks. You see, Maloney just gives him the

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Speaker 1: eye roll, just like what do you what do you

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about here? And then Trump Trump

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Speaker 1: kind of looked at him with the side it says,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've done you know, six seven piece deals

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Speaker 1: in wars all around the world, and none of them

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Speaker 1: followed this standard of a ceasefire and then a peace deal.

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Speaker 1: We just went right to the peace deal. And I

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Speaker 1: have to commend the President as well for just having

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Speaker 1: that willingness to say we're going to cut through all

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Speaker 1: this bureaucratic red tape. This is it's it's very, by

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Speaker 1: the way, very old world to have to go through

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Speaker 1: multiple layers of bureaucracy to get to a deal here.

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Speaker 1: And I think someone at one point in the meeting said, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's you know, let's let's try to get the date

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Speaker 1: on the month, a date on the books for a

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Speaker 1: month from now, for the next meeting, he goes a month,

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Speaker 1: a month, No, let's call him right now, and he

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Speaker 1: calls Putin right in the middle of the meeting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well see, that's to me, this was a bringing

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Speaker 6: back of the TV show The Apprentice, the European edition,

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Speaker 6: where he's basically think about this. I have never seen

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Speaker 6: and I talked to a lot of reporters about this too,

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Speaker 6: they have never seen every major leader in Europe drop

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Speaker 6: everything and show up in DC. Because of your your point,

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Speaker 6: these visits are normally planned out incrementally over like six months,

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Speaker 6: and everything is where it very it works right now.

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Speaker 6: Basically we're going to have a talk. If you want

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Speaker 6: to talk to show up, you be at the table.

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Speaker 6: Otherwise we're moving on. And I think, Jack, that's what's

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Speaker 6: got to continue. You can't you can show no fear

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Speaker 6: to the Russians, you can give no deference to the Europeans,

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Speaker 6: because either side's going to bog you down. So you

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Speaker 6: got it. You got to continue to go forward. And

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Speaker 6: again that's why I think it's so important that President

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Speaker 6: Trump personally called for Zilenski and Putin to meet with

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Speaker 6: him somewhere next week, maybe a Budapest.

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Speaker 1: Well and you've heard Budapest as a potential, although Zelenski

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Speaker 1: I've also heard is is really throwing cold water on

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Speaker 1: that because you've got a huge, a really big row

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Speaker 1: between them and the Hungarians. Some talk about and I

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Speaker 1: saw the two foreign ministers going back and forth. We've

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Speaker 1: got a quick break coming up. We can get into

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Speaker 1: that a little bit. But some real questions about the

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Speaker 1: bombing of a pipeline going from Ukraine into Hungary that

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Speaker 1: was providing the gas, and the Hungarians coming out in

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Speaker 1: sam Peter Siarta, the Foreign minister who I've interviewed on

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Speaker 1: this program, has said, wait a minute. You know we're

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Speaker 1: not getting bombed by the Russians. We're getting bombed by

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians. So you don't just get to turn around

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Speaker 1: and blame the other guys for that. You're the ones

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Speaker 1: who did it. So you're already seeing a lot of

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Speaker 1: this regarding Budapest. So we'll see, we'll see if Budapest

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Speaker 1: is a likely option. I think of President Trump wants

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Speaker 1: to get it done. I know he'll be able to

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Speaker 1: get it done. Be right back here, Jack Posobac, Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: Colonel Tony Schaeffer, Human Events Daily, Real A Marcus voice.

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Speaker 5: Jack is a great guy.

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Speaker 10: He's written that fantastic look and everybody's.

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Speaker 5: Talking about it.

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Speaker 11: Go get it, Patty spent my friend right from the

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Speaker 11: beginning of this whole beautiful event.

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Speaker 5: Kat We're going to turn her around and make our

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Speaker 5: country way to get him a man.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pasovic, We're back on Live here Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily, and here's what we're getting out from. I'll

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Speaker 1: just read a couple of the headlines on Ukraine Russia.

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Speaker 1: So Russia saying Ukraine is not interested in long term peace.

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Speaker 1: The Guardian and you know, of course, to take it

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Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, but the Guardians saying Trump

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Speaker 1: is stepping back from Russia and Ukraine peace talks for now,

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Speaker 1: according to their sources, Reuters coming out and confirming what

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Speaker 1: I said. Let's see two days ago. Now in the

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Speaker 1: White House press beefing room, they're saying, so, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I love this, Reuters claims it's an exclusive. I said

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Speaker 1: this in the press briefing room two days ago. They're saying.

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Speaker 1: Putin says Putin demand to Ukraine give up don Bass,

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Speaker 1: no NATO and no Western troops. Interesting, because pretty sure

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Speaker 1: somebody said that in the White House Press beefing room

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. But that's all right, that's

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Speaker 1: all right, Reuters, you can have your fun. Europeans back

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Speaker 1: Zelensky in Washington, et cetera, et cetera. People are talking

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Speaker 1: about slow walking it now. So let to go back

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Speaker 1: to Tony Shaeffer here, Lieutenant Curl Schaeffer, You know what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about in terms of this military situation is

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Speaker 1: really the the onus isn't on the Russians. The onus

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Speaker 1: is on everyone who wants peace. Because the Russians, i think,

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Speaker 1: have made it pretty clear that if they want to

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Speaker 1: hold this conversation with Ukraine, they're doing so on the

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Speaker 1: battlefield and certainly every night, and they're they're not holding up.

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Speaker 1: It hit this factory last night, and people are arguing

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Speaker 1: about what exactly it was, but apparently with some US

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Speaker 1: ties to the company that was involved in the defense

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Speaker 1: sector there. We know, of course, the US has been

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Speaker 1: supplying weapons to Ukraine since the very start to this.

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Speaker 1: There's no surprises there. But it really seems though that,

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Speaker 1: like like I said to General Flynn, it's much easier

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Speaker 1: for the Russians to walk away from this than it

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Speaker 1: is for US and the Europeans.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's the issue. The Russians will insinuate a military

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Speaker 6: solution unless something else is acted upon, and they will

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Speaker 6: not be acted upon. They are acting. And this is

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Speaker 6: where I think Putin and Jack you were there. Look,

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Speaker 6: Putin showed a great deal of respect to President Trump.

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Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely correct that Putin would not have invaded.

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Speaker 6: I think Joe Biden opened that door by saying that

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Speaker 6: that we the United States, accept a limited incursion. Well

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Speaker 6: that's kind of what happened. So I think at this

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Speaker 6: point it's going to come down to the power of

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Speaker 6: personality and trying to put these things. These guys in

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Speaker 6: the same room. And the other thing that happened today

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Speaker 6: is Zelenski. Basically it was I think Labarov said that

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Speaker 6: they the Russians believe the the Russian speaking provinces need

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Speaker 6: to be Russian and they would accept that that's an

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Speaker 6: acceptable outcome, And of course Lynsky immediately vetoed it's saying no,

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Speaker 6: everything is Ukrainian. Then they will speak Ukrainian. So that's

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Speaker 6: part of the problem. So again I think there's nothing

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Speaker 6: the Ukrainians have left other than bluster and unless and

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Speaker 6: again I President Trump, we need to do something to

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Speaker 6: stop the the unneeded death people and Ukrainians are dying

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Speaker 6: jack on a daily basis for no good reason. The

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Speaker 6: war is over, and I think this is where we

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Speaker 6: have to find a way to force the Ukrainians to understand.

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Speaker 6: Putting your people forward in their sixties and under twenty, yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's not it's not a good look and it's not

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Speaker 6: it's not going to gain them anything militarily. And I

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Speaker 6: hope President Trump can make that point well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also looking that Professor John Meerscheimer is out again,

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Speaker 1: and he's been saying this quite a bit lately, but

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Speaker 1: he's out again in first post right now, saying that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't think that a deal is possible, not from

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Speaker 1: the US and Russian side, but again from the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: and European side. He says that the two countries are

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Speaker 1: polls apart talking about Ukrainian Russia, no compromise acceptable to

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Speaker 1: both sides is in sight. And even though President Trump

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Speaker 1: has made these incredible diplomatic flourishes, his personal diplomacy is

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Speaker 1: not going to substitute for hard military realities, and says

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Speaker 1: that ultimately this conflict will be decided on the battlefield.

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Speaker 6: Well again, unless otherwise directed by President Trump, unless he's

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Speaker 6: able to insinuate himself. Yeah, the outcome is going to

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Speaker 6: be a military one, and it's not going to be

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Speaker 6: one that the Ukrainians like. The Russians if they so choose,

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Speaker 6: would I think, easily be able to partition Ukraine into

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Speaker 6: two halves go once they're done with the current line

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Speaker 6: of contact, they could go all the way to the

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Speaker 6: Nepper since they forcing a partition. And then there's Odessa.

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Speaker 6: Odessa is something still that the Russians would like to have,

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Speaker 6: and if I were the Ukrainians, I think my lucky

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Speaker 6: stars that they don't have it yet. And of course

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Speaker 6: the Europeans want to put boots on the ground into

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Speaker 6: Odessa in some other places. Again, Jack, I think the

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Speaker 6: Europeans are way out of their league. The Europeans I

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Speaker 6: think have been the biggest deterrent. That meeting that you

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Speaker 6: attended with the President and Putin should have happened three

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Speaker 6: months ago, but it was because of their obstinates and

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Speaker 6: unwillingness to be reasonable. I think it delayed to this point.

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Speaker 6: Given if you leave it to them, they will delay

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Speaker 6: it another three months. And I don't think Ukraine has

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Speaker 6: three months left to go.

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Speaker 1: Tony, when you're looking at these what's in dream to

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Speaker 1: me is they're talking about these, these four fortress cities

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Speaker 1: in the Donbas region, that last piece of Dunetsk that

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Speaker 1: has yet to fall, and these are really the most

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Speaker 1: fortified pieces of it. And you've been coming on here

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Speaker 1: talking about the importance and strategic importance of these cities

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Speaker 1: in this area because these are the last fortifications all

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Speaker 1: the way up to the river. And now the media

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Speaker 1: hasn't talked about this at all until suddenly this week

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Speaker 1: when the Russians are saying, just pull out of those

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Speaker 1: cities and let us have them. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the media is admitting that actually those are the last

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Speaker 1: four cities that are left, and there are really no

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Speaker 1: defensive fortifications between there. That's Kromaturus and Slaviansk and the

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Speaker 1: rest all the way up to the river. I said,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's what Tony was saying the entire time.

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Speaker 1: And they when they said that we were the ones

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Speaker 1: that were spouting propaganda, now they all admit it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I know, well, I've been The issue is that mainstream

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Speaker 6: media has always reported aspirations, not reality. And they're aspirations

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Speaker 6: where all the Russians are losing. There's no chance of

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Speaker 6: going to break out. It's been a fiction, and I

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Speaker 6: think this is where the American public has been badly

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Speaker 6: served by. There's been a handful of networks you and

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Speaker 6: I work for two that have I think, been upfront

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Speaker 6: and trying to tell the truth about the reality. And

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Speaker 6: yet we've been the ones who, you know, we're pro

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Speaker 6: Russian for speaking the truth. I know it's insane, but

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Speaker 6: I think that's a situation right now. They can no

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Speaker 6: longer hide it. It's obvious and if those cities fall,

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Speaker 6: which again I think it's just a matter of weeks,

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Speaker 6: they will not be able to hide that reality. And

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Speaker 6: it's interesting. There was something in the Washington Post, i

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Speaker 6: think one of the local DC publications saying, well, if

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Speaker 6: don Boss falls, that means that the Russians have a

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Speaker 6: gateway into all of Europe. It's like, that's like saying

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Speaker 6: if New Jersey invades New York, Oklahoma is gonna fall. No,

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Speaker 6: it's not related, it's not relatable. Europe is not in danger.

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Speaker 6: Europe is in danger by poking the bear without being

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Speaker 6: prepared defensively to do anything about it. Should the bear

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Speaker 6: decide to do something, that's the insanity of this jack Again,

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Speaker 6: if you just look at the numbers and the current

834
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Speaker 6: readiness status of every major European nation France, Germany, England, Italy,

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Speaker 6: they don't have any capability to actually do what they

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Speaker 6: proposed that they would do, which is be a an

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Speaker 6: actual nine to one one boots on the ground deterrent

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Speaker 6: against Russia. So I don't know what they're smoking, but

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Speaker 6: it's time again for President Trump to kind of force

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Speaker 6: insinuate the truth on the discussions and all these leaders

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Speaker 6: and force them to understand what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And that's really what it comes down to. Who knows,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's going on his ride along in DC today,

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Speaker 1: he'll maybe he can send some of these leaders on

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Speaker 1: a ride along of Odessa or ride along of Nikolaiev

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Speaker 1: like we did on Human Events Daily three years ago,

847
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Speaker 1: over three years ago now right after the war started

848
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Speaker 1: and saw the destruction and the devastation up close of

849
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Speaker 1: what's going on and saying, guys, this thing is only

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Speaker 1: ending in one direction and for the people who live there,

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Speaker 1: they are not being served by continuing the war. Tony Schaffer,

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Speaker 1: where can people go to follow your content.

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Speaker 6: Let's check me out on Twitter X. I'm monetizing my

854
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 6: account so you'll be able to get special content. Jack,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna be invited to come on. We're gonna do

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Speaker 6: some stuff on nine to eleven, which I think you

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Speaker 6: may want to participate in next month. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: have some.

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Speaker 1: Get our mutual friend Kurt Weldon, one of my first

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Speaker 1: going to be first bosses in politics on talk about that.

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Speaker 6: We're going.

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Speaker 1: With Carlson others. We'll be there, ladies and gentlemen, as always,

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Speaker 1: do you have my permission to lay ashore