1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: with Reasoned Choice Media. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 3: Welcome home, everybody. Let's get to part two of our conversation. 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 3: If you tuned in on Thursday of this week, you 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 3: know we had a very intense and warm, full conversation 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: about the dynamics of black men and black women and 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 3: how it penetrates our politics and where we are today. 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 3: We're going to pick up now with part two of 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: that conversation, and just so you're not confused, we want 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: to bring you up to speed on where we left 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: the conversation yesterday, so you'll hear a few moments of 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: talk from a Thursday's episode as we bleed into this 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 3: week's mini pod. Drop us a comment, let us know 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: what you think. 16 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: So when we heard all throughout the cycle, voters want 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: to know, but who is Kamala? And I think a 18 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: lot of us read that as it's because she's black, 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: And I don't think it was that simplistic. I think 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: black people wanted to know who is she, just like 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: we wanted to know who is he? With Barack Obama, 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: who had a experience that I can't even relate to 23 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: as a black person having grown up in this country, 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: and so that thirst is real. And if there were 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: takeaways from it is folks are gonna they want to 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: be able to trace you. They want to track you 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: and trace you so that they know for the decisions 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: that have yet to come, that they instinctually feel that 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: you've got some options that you're going to consider, even 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: if you're not considering them out loud before you make 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: a decision. And I want to know that for as 32 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: a black person, that you're gonna have an experience in 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: this country that will have some resonance with mine. Yeah, 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: so that when you're confronted by the question, that you're 35 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: going to have some sensibilities and sensitivities that reflect my 36 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: lived experience to and not just theirs. 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: And that is such a great point because now we're 38 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: at a point in this country's history where people are like, well, 39 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: the real fighters please stand up, Terrence. I know you 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: have some data to talk about where we are now 41 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: and where folks expect us to go from here, particularly 42 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: through the lens of black voters. Because this is all 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: Black Everything podcast, So let's go ahead and get into that. 44 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, Angela. 45 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: You know, we along with understanding where black voters were 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four and why they voted the way 47 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: they voted, we are we've been curious about where black 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: voters are now, how they feel about some of Trump's actions, 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: how they feel about how Democrats are responding to those actions. 50 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: And we see a couple of very important trends. Number 51 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: one is that a majority of black voters do not 52 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: agree with the way that Democrats are responding to Trump 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: and Congress. Only forty six percent of Black voters agree 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: approve of the way that Democrats have been responding to 55 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: Trump and Congress forty six percent of the most loyal 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: voters in the Democratic coalition. This represents a christ like 57 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: black vote. Democrats are not where their electorate wants them 58 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: to be. And then the second question over here that 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: we got from Data for Progress asks the question, which 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: of the following statements is closest to your opinion on 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: how Democrats in Congress should approach the Trump administration. Twenty 62 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: two percent of Black folks say that Democrats should keep 63 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: their heads down and allow Trump and Republicans to expose 64 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: themselves as failures. Twenty two percent say just let them fail. 65 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: But seventy eight percent of black folks, the overwhelming majority, 66 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: want to see Democrats fight like hell. And so that 67 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: is some of the frustration that we are picking up, 68 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: the righteous indignation from the seventy three million Americans that 69 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: voted know to Donald Trump and that want to see 70 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: what we've been describing as less of a minority party 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: and more of an opposition party. Opposition is action, It 72 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: is an active resistance to what is happening, and Black 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: voters and Democratic voters want to see more of that. 74 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: On the next LODT, you'll see the impact of this, right, 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: You'll see that when we just asked you just pure 76 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: approval rating, do you approve or disapprove of the job 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: that Trump is doing and the job the Democrats are 78 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: doing well on the left there you'll see and if 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm just going to give just the black perspective, which 80 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: is all way at the bottom. In the first quarter 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's first term in twenty seventeen, only fifteen 82 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: percent of black folks agreed to what he was doing 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: fifteen percent. Today, in the first quarter of the second term, 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: thirty three percent of black folks approve of the job 85 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump is doing. 86 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: Are we watching the same movie? 87 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 6: What is wrong with these people? 88 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: We have work to do that It is so much 89 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: worse this time, much worse. 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 5: It's so much worse. 91 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: We have work to do connecting the dots for black 92 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: folks on how the actions that he's taking are actually 93 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: hurting people, How tariffs will raise the price on goods 94 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: that Americans already can't afford. How he's cutting FAA while 95 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: planes are falling from the sky and cutting National Weather 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: Service while weather emergencies are killing people. 97 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 5: We have to connect these dots. 98 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: He's not just cutting jobs in Washington, he's cutting programs 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: that protect and secure our communities. 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: Its interrogated it though just a little bit further. If 101 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: government is the object of a lot of your pain, 102 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: the letters that you get from the government, when you 103 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: interact with it, your whole time is longer. When you 104 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: do get a check, it ain't as big as you 105 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: want it to be. 106 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 6: And then they're coming back around to collect that from you. 107 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: If and you hear that they're shut down, you know, 108 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: and you hear that there are going to be layoffs 109 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: for this, for this center of people, this population of 110 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: people who you haven't felt served by I'm not certain 111 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: that you're going to have a big cheerleading squad there 112 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: if you see that the first departments that are being 113 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: shuttered in the government are serving international purposes, when a 114 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: lot of us are saying, I need street lights, we 115 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: need running water that I can trust my kids to 116 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: drink because it isn't toxic. If we draw these things 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: back to the themes that I think all of us 118 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: have heard our and our places and in our spaces, 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't alarm me that the thing that you hear 120 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: about is we donna cut government jobs. That's good, and 121 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: you might get some checks back for the savings that 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: we may achieve. 123 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 6: That might be good too. 124 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: And that of all the things that they're going after 125 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: and that they're attacking, they seem to be attacking the 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: stuff that ain't serving me anyway. Now, whether or not 127 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: any of that is all the way true if we 128 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: were to fully interrogate it, which I don't believe it 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: to be the case, but these are real themes for 130 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: us fight with Mexico. 131 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 6: When I believe Mexicans are taking my job, go fight them. 132 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: That's good, so good. 133 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it isn't that our people are 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: off the reservation because we don't have to know all 135 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: the details to know what we're being screwed or where 136 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: somebody else is. I just think everybody were all the 137 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: way round because you're screwing more lasting and more painful 138 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: than the one I'm gonna give that guy, And I 139 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: think a lot of folks might. 140 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 7: If you're a guy in Chicago where Greg Avid bust 141 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 7: people in and now housing is an issue for you, 142 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 7: and jobs are an issue for you because of all 143 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 7: of these migrants, and you see that Trump is bringing 144 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 7: in somebody to take the migrants back out. Those people 145 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 7: are not upset at Donald Trump today, okay, And I 146 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 7: think that there is a reality that we have to 147 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 7: wrestle with that the Democratic Party's failures on messaging is 148 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 7: biting them in the ass day. To Andrew's point that 149 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 7: you got to fight at every round of the fight, 150 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 7: George Foreman and I LEI when that fight happened in 151 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 7: that day, Ali went rounds and rounds with him to 152 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 7: wear him out till. 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 6: He could knock him out. 154 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 7: Because at the end of the day, I have to 155 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 7: be in this with this big joker who's got more. 156 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: Size than me, more ability than me. 157 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 7: Right now, but I got to box you every round 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 7: when you got ha Keen Jeffries down there making excuse 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 7: us for Chuck Schumer right now, that's not helpful for 160 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 7: Black America to believe that the Democratic Party is on branding, 161 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 7: on message. If either your tone death and not comprehending 162 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 7: what is going on in the communities and the underbeluy 163 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 7: of this country, or you are just so committed to 164 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 7: your way of doing that you think that. 165 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: You're committed to losing. Because we have been committed. 166 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 7: To a strategy of niceties and getting along to go along, 167 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 7: and people are sick of. 168 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: That shit, and we're standard bearers for the status quo 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: of everything that has frankly had the Justice Department, you 170 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: can I mean, I couldn't tell you honestly how I 171 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: feel about it, because it'd be very personal and probably 172 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: irresponsible for the largest scheme of it. But if a party, 173 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: one party is saying we represent the status quote and 174 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: that we keep all things as they are or else, 175 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: this is an attack on democracy and the way it 176 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: shows up in your life. So we need to keep 177 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: justice and keep people who are going to disrupt that 178 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: out of there. It's like no justic has been bad 179 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: for us since they created it. Yeah, been what's created 180 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: to terrize our leaders. You talked to me about a CIA. 181 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: You know this, and that all of those I consider 182 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: not just enemies of the state, but enemies of my people. 183 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Is what a lot of folks you all conclusion on. 184 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: And all I can derive from your message is that 185 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: you are the standard bearer for the status quo government 186 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: as is more of it. 187 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 6: I so good we're starting with that. 188 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: I think it's a travesty that Andrew is not on 189 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: somebody's thinking because I think that perspective is so key Andrew. 190 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: And I just I'm going to probably annoy Angela and 191 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Andrew because I say this every episode, I have to 192 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: say I don't Yes. Messaging by the Democratic Party was 193 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: a huge failure. Messaging in journalism and media was also 194 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: a huge failure that they were not giving people information, 195 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: that they treated the news coverage and fact finding as 196 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: though it was entertainment. You bring on a clan member 197 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 3: and a nation of Islam and then say let's get 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: ready to rumble and put that out as entertainment for people. So, 199 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: if you didn't have a reliable source of information where 200 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: you got your information was from podcast Bros. Was from 201 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: your instagut fee, which was devastating and disappointing to our 202 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: our democratic process. Gary, you said something, and I'm looking 203 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: for a little bit of hope here. I will give 204 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: it to Angela every week. I think does a good 205 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: job of like trying to not even her intention, just 206 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: naturally trying to give me hope because she knows I'm 207 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: pretty flat lined. And her trauma response, I think is 208 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna act, I'm anna move, and mine is I 209 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 3: just kind of feel petrified. When we were together, you said, 210 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: y'all keep talking like it ain't gonna be another election, 211 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: And there are forty nine and a half million black 212 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: people out there who believe that. Andrew wanted to get 213 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: into what's happening in Georgia. What's happening in Georgia with 214 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: the executive order and purging voters from the roles and 215 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: making it more difficult for votes to be counted is 216 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 3: going to have. It's been happening all across the country, 217 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: and we'll continue to see more of that. I do 218 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: not believe that we will see another free and fair 219 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: election when it gets to midterms, and particularly not beyond that. 220 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: What do you say to that, because you are passionate 221 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: and I know you have an election in Louisiana. I 222 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: want to talk about it. Yes, yeah, so I'm kicking 223 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 3: the bally. You give me some hope, brother, if you can, 224 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: since that. 225 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 7: We have never had fair elections. We have never had 226 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 7: falu elections. They have never been appeared in history of 227 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 7: this country where black folks have lived in a space 228 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 7: of faction. 229 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 230 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 7: I live in South Louisiana where we're still fighting for 231 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 7: a congressional district that we drew in nineteen ninety, got 232 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 7: kicked out by the Supreme Court, fighting in the Supreme 233 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 7: Court in twenty twenty to get it again, got a 234 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 7: congressman elected to it, and they're trying to kick him 235 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 7: out again. So this has never been a fast system 236 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 7: to us. The reality, though, is we. 237 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 6: Make it fairer by us strugcture. 238 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 5: We make it fairer. 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 7: It is on us, and I think that some of 240 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 7: us want to absolve ourselves from the responsibility that we 241 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 7: have in this hour to carry this burden. I don't 242 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 7: enjoy this burden, but it is our burden to bear. 243 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 7: And for me, the hope is in you. The hope 244 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 7: is in Angela The hope is in Andrew, The hope 245 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 7: is in Terrors and all this badass data he's given 246 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 7: us to inspire and motivate black people to get up 247 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 7: and claim their power. To let black folks know that 248 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 7: if you are in Georgia, you are in the third 249 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 7: blackest state in America, and they trying to take you 250 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 7: off the roads. 251 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 5: And the only way they can write you off is 252 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 5: if you let them. 253 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 7: And that is our job in this hour to be 254 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 7: the beacon of hope and light and truth to our people. 255 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 7: The only way they are successful is if we lay down. 256 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 7: That is the only way they will be successful. Will 257 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 7: they restructure the government, Yes, it needs to be restructured. 258 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: We get to come back and take it back. 259 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 7: I believe we are in a dawn of a third 260 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 7: reconstruction of sorts. 261 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 5: In this country. 262 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 7: And I think that as we navigate that, the question 263 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 7: for us is what do we want fairness to look 264 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 7: like for the next hundred years? Because every time there 265 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 7: is a great I heard Sean King say this, and 266 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 7: this is somebody else who's been decimated by speaking truth 267 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 7: in these hours, right, Sean King talked about the peaks 268 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 7: and the valleys, right, and that following every peak for 269 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 7: us as a people, there'll be a deep valley, and 270 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 7: how we dig ourselves out of that valley and move 271 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 7: ourselves forward is the question. I think that the organizing 272 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 7: we're seeing in this hour was not happening prior to 273 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 7: this level of. 274 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 5: Pain and frustration. 275 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 7: And the reality is every time we've seen great upheaval 276 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 7: in progress for our people is because of the shared pain. 277 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: That we were in. 278 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 7: The shared pain of slavery brought us through the revolution 279 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 7: that created that first reconstruction in this country. The shared 280 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 7: pain of jimcro and the civil rights being denied to 281 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 7: us created the upheople that happened in the sixties. The 282 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 7: shared pain that endures between black folks today and working class, 283 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 7: poor white people in America will change this country for 284 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 7: the next hundred years. And while I don't like the 285 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 7: things that are taking place, I take it as a 286 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 7: badge of honor that I get to be in the 287 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 7: field with. 288 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: You all today. 289 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: Like right back at you, Gary, thank you for that. 290 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: Can I respond to some of that, man, because I 291 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: just I'm so appreciative to the work that Gary's doing 292 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: in Louisiana. I believe this, and I'm pretty sure I 293 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: got this from Gary. It's a quote I've been saying 294 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: for so long, I don't know who I got it from, 295 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: so take credit for it if I got it from you, Gary. 296 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 5: But the truth is that the South are not red states. 297 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: They are oppressed states. 298 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: Right there are three states in the South that are 299 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: in fact blacker than Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, where we 300 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: do have an opportunity to replace the blue wall across 301 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: the Midwest with a black ass wall across the South 302 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: that is more durable, and that changes the political map 303 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: that we've been fighting on. The second thing I want 304 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: to say is that you know, black folks don't want 305 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: to and I've been saying this since twenty twenty two, 306 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: when we first when Democrats first started running on defending democracy. 307 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: Black folks don't want to defend the system that has 308 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: failed them. Right now, we can recruit black people into 309 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: fixing democracy. And I think right now he's broken it 310 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: substantially enough that we can recruit some folks into it. 311 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: Because there are some levers of our democracy, the things 312 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: that protect us separation of power and rule of law, 313 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: that ain't nobody above the law, Free and fair elections, 314 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: and peaceful transfer of power. He has broken all of 315 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: this shit. He has broken rule of law, broken peaceful 316 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: transfer of power, broken independent media, broken free markets. We 317 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: now have to recruit our folks. And it was Barbara 318 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: Jordan who said in a I'm sorry Benjamin Franklin who 319 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: first said that if we have a democracy, we can 320 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: keep it. I would say, in this moment, we have 321 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: a democracy if we can take it back. And the 322 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: Barbara Jordan quote that is as fires me in this 323 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: moment with something she said during her Nixon Nixon impeachment 324 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: speech where she said, for the first two hundred years, 325 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: black folks weren't included in we the people. Because that's 326 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: exactly right, and because we were not included in that constitution, 327 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: I had to fight and toil and sacrifice to be included. 328 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: That is what makes us in the best position to 329 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: defend it. 330 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 5: And that's where we are. We got to recruit our 331 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 5: folks to defend this thing and take it back. 332 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 6: And thank you, Terrence. 333 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: And maybe that's where we go from here, which is 334 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: maybe we close with some of the inspirational words or 335 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: quotes that maybe give us hope here. Gary, as you 336 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: were talking about the peaks in the valleys, which I 337 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: think we all understand. I was reminded of something my pastor, 338 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: then now Bishop McAllister said, which is Andrew never ever 339 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: ever buy real estate. 340 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 6: In the valley. And what he meant is, when you're. 341 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: In the valley of your life, whatever the circumstance is, 342 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: when you're in that down trop don't camp out. 343 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 6: It's temporary. 344 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: So with despair or absence of hope, we may be 345 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: in the valley, but that's not a time to buy 346 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: real estate. 347 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 6: There's not a time to camp out. 348 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: You spend that time struggling on and strategizing on the 349 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: get out of the valley and not camping out there 350 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: on real estate. 351 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 6: That you buy when you're in that deep dark place. 352 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 6: So hopefully more more of us will do that. Angela, 353 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 6: I am. 354 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for you all joining us today. Clearly, 355 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 4: this is just the beginning of a conversation that we 356 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 4: scratch the surface on, and it needs. 357 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: To be many more. 358 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 4: So I hope y'all will come back over and over 359 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: again and that we can keep broadening this. I will say, 360 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: just in full disclosure. Part of the reason why I 361 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 4: wanted to ensure that you all could be here as 362 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 4: a conversation that Tif and I really have been having 363 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: all week and talked about it with Andrew this morning. 364 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 4: We saw some in a space we were recently all in. 365 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: We saw some of the tensions that exist and until 366 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 4: we start to unpack them and pull them apart. The 367 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 4: pain that Tif reference, the pain that you reference, Gary, 368 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 4: the lack of trust that exists, the the many layers 369 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: that are black people that we can appreciate but also 370 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: have to understand that at some point. Yet it's as 371 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: much as I don't like a melt about, we got 372 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: to melt for our power because that's where the math 373 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: is in the melt. So I hope that we will 374 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: continue to push against our own biases, you know, try 375 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: to uncover our own blind spots and really figure out 376 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 4: where we can meet our folks in the pain, in 377 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 4: the trauma, and then also in the triumph, because we 378 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 4: deserve it. This is absolutely the place that we built, 379 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: and so it absolutely must serve us, and we should 380 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 4: stop at nothing less. So I appreciate y'all, and I've 381 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 4: defer to my sister Tip. 382 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: I just echo everything you said, Angela and Gary and Terrence. 383 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: I really appreciate your boldness. Gary, I appreciate that you 384 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: lead with authenticity. I love the ad that you did 385 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 3: when you ran for Senate with the blunt in the 386 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: middle of a lot of reasons, for a lot of reasons, 387 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: but I will say because I think so many people 388 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: are afraid to lead with their convictions, and I wonder 389 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 3: what would have happened had Vice President Harris run a 390 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 3: campaign that led with her convictions instead of trying to 391 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: walk the middle of the road and appeal to people. 392 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: To your point, when your black folks is your base, 393 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 3: that's who you take care of, but they have such 394 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: a heart on for white folks, and I just I 395 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: think we will continue to see people who try to 396 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 3: walk that middle of the road become political roadkill increasingly. Terrance, 397 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: your data is so crucially important to how we march forward, 398 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: and you've both given me a little bit of hope today, 399 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: a little bit of fight today, and I'm writing a 400 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 3: lot about this. I'll be following up with both of 401 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: you guys to get your input, just to make sure 402 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 3: that I'm on the right side of history as I 403 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 3: try to capture this moment and what's happening between black 404 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: men and black women. So I thank you, and I 405 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 3: want to shout out our brother Andrew, who's our resident 406 00:19:53,720 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: black man on the panel. I feel like we have 407 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: I like Andrew and I have a lot of philosophical 408 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: conversations whenever we have the pleasure of being in the 409 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: same city, in the same vicinity, and so I think 410 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: a lot of this touched on some of the conversations 411 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: we have, and it touched on a lot of aspects 412 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: of my personal life, you know, as I'm navigating some 413 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: of these opinions and the mirror that some black men 414 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: have been to me. So it's just been a really helpful, 415 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: thriving conversation that I hope dwarfs some of these podcasts 416 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: Bros conversation and some of these social media clips that 417 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: go viral with black men and black women talking about 418 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: why they can't stand each other and who did who wrong. 419 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: I hope that we've tackled this with a lot more 420 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: depth and grace and input and purpose. 421 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: So thank you to be continued everybody, and again, Terrence 422 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: and Gary, we just want to say welcome home. 423 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much for having us on 424 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 5: the podcast. 425 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: Native Land Pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership 426 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: with resent choice Media. 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