Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and
Speaker 2: it's great to have you tuning in today. This is
Speaker 2: kind of a special day for me because we have
Speaker 2: someone that when I was a kid, was a total
Speaker 2: teenage heart throb. And I'm not trying to embarrass him
Speaker 2: or anything, but every girl that I knew had a
Speaker 2: poster in the room with Kirk Cameron's face on it,
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited. Oct We were all huge Growing
Speaker 2: Pains fans, and I'm really kind of sad that there
Speaker 2: is not a show like that for my kids to
Speaker 2: watch and get involved in. And I just think it's
Speaker 2: really cool what you've done and how your story has
Speaker 2: inspired so many people because you left Hollywood behind, found faith,
Speaker 2: you're raising six kids. Kirk Cameron, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for being on today. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Tutor. It's a pleasure and an honor to be here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on the program. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: gave up Hollywood and left it behind for Left Behind
Speaker 1: and moved on to some other things that a little
Speaker 1: more meaningful to me than you know Mike Seaver sneaking
Speaker 1: out the window.
Speaker 2: I am holding up the video because there it is.
Speaker 1: There, it is, there is, And I don't think we
Speaker 1: have to win any It's not going to win any awards.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the greatest movie in the world, but it
Speaker 1: certainly marked a time in my life where the focus
Speaker 1: of my mind and my heart we're heading towards things
Speaker 1: of meaning and permanence. So that was reflected in the
Speaker 1: career and the projects that I chose, and I'm really
Speaker 1: really grateful for how things that have turned out.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting to me as I kind of look
Speaker 2: at your life story, and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: us have had this coming to faith as I think
Speaker 2: you almost some people obviously have had that their whole childhood.
Speaker 2: But there's a moment when you realize you've been saved,
Speaker 2: and there's a moment when you want to share the
Speaker 2: good news in a different way. And it's been this
Speaker 2: past week has been interesting for me because I've watched
Speaker 2: my daughter graduate her eighth grade class from a Christian
Speaker 2: school and that faith base. But she's doing this at
Speaker 2: a time where there is a lot of focus on pride,
Speaker 2: and I mean, this is Pride month, right, So that
Speaker 2: message of pride is really pushed on kids that pride
Speaker 2: is important, and I think that we as parents, as
Speaker 2: Christian parents, kind of go, Okay, that's a hard concept
Speaker 2: to discuss because I'll say to my girls, I'm so
Speaker 2: proud of you for doing this, and they're like, but Mom,
Speaker 2: isn't that a bad thing? And I explained to them,
Speaker 2: you know, being excited for your success and cheering you
Speaker 2: on is different from what it means to not be
Speaker 2: a prideful person. So how to tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about how this book explains the dangers of becoming prideful?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, good for you. What is like
Speaker 1: honor roll mom teaching moment for the rest of us
Speaker 1: to talk to kids about what pride really means. So
Speaker 1: when we say I'm proud of you, sweetheart, you just
Speaker 1: expressed it. You said, I'm expressing how excited I am
Speaker 1: for you. I'm cheering you on. I'm grateful that you've
Speaker 1: learned this lesson and accomplished this thing that you did.
Speaker 1: And that reminds me actually what we read in the Bible.
Speaker 1: We see at Jesus' baptism, the voice from God, the
Speaker 1: Father saying, this is my son whom I love, and
Speaker 1: in him I am well pleased. Listen to him. There's
Speaker 1: a father who's the buttons of pride are popping off,
Speaker 1: you know, his chest. But that's the kind of gratitude
Speaker 1: and cheering on that we want to pour into. But pride,
Speaker 1: properly understood, is a self centered thing. It's where I
Speaker 1: judge other people because I think I'm better than them.
Speaker 1: Pride is the root of racism. Pride is the root
Speaker 1: of misogyny, of all violations of human rights. Jesus said,
Speaker 1: Pride is what caused him to see Satan fall from
Speaker 1: heaven like lightning, because full of pride, Satan wants to
Speaker 1: steal the glory of God. And that's what pride does.
Speaker 1: Pride makes us think that we're God, that we don't
Speaker 1: need God. We can create reality, We can create and
Speaker 1: define morality, reality, gender, and anything else that we want.
Speaker 1: So good for you. I'm trying to teach kids the
Speaker 1: lesson through this book that I wrote called Pride Comes
Speaker 1: Before the Fall, and it's the story of a tiger
Speaker 1: named Valor who has to partner up with a rookie
Speaker 1: elephant named Kevin in a boat race and he learns
Speaker 1: the important lesson that arrogance and anger all stem from
Speaker 1: pride and that the path forward to win in life
Speaker 1: is to consider others above yourselves and learn to be humble.
Speaker 2: That is, you've had huge success having these book readings,
Speaker 2: and I think that's something that people, I guess I
Speaker 2: would say at this moment where we see a lot
Speaker 2: of prideful people, and we see this happening in business,
Speaker 2: and we see this happening in politics, especially I'm coming
Speaker 2: out of the political world, and so we're seeing this
Speaker 2: kind of pushed on people, and so this idea of
Speaker 2: having a values based book reading has not been the focus.
Speaker 2: And you came out and initially it was not well
Speaker 2: received by public libraries. But your last book reading was
Speaker 2: pretty impressive, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Well. The funny thing is that coming from the Hollywood world,
Speaker 1: which is the land of make believe, we make a
Speaker 1: living at creating perceptions that are not reality. It's all
Speaker 1: it's all shiny this way, but really it's not. What
Speaker 1: I've learned is that there are libraries, thousands of them
Speaker 1: all over the country who would love to have parents
Speaker 1: come and read books about love, joy, peace, humility, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness,
Speaker 1: self control. Why, because that's what we want in our kids.
Speaker 1: We want them to be. Do you want your kids
Speaker 1: to be full of pride? Do you want your kids? Hey, honey,
Speaker 1: I want you to go to school today and I
Speaker 1: want you to learn how to be a proud person,
Speaker 1: how to be full of pride.
Speaker 2: Well, that's when you get some saying back to you,
Speaker 2: I don't need to go to school.
Speaker 1: No, we want them to be humble. So when we
Speaker 1: were died by over fifty woke libraries that previously held
Speaker 1: drag Queen story hours, we pushed back, wrote a letter
Speaker 1: and reminded them that this is the United States of America,
Speaker 1: and you can't deny people coming to a story hour
Speaker 1: or reading room simply because you don't like their viewpoint.
Speaker 1: And that's violation of free speech, that's violation of the
Speaker 1: freedom of religion and all kinds of things. And so
Speaker 1: we told them that we would be prepared to assert
Speaker 1: our constitutional rights in court if they kept it up.
Speaker 1: They caved. We went to the Indianapolis Library and over
Speaker 1: two thy five hundred parents and kids overwhelmed six floors
Speaker 1: of the library. They were out the door down the street.
Speaker 1: But then there's other libraries like Seattle Public Library, which
Speaker 1: welcomed us, although there's protesters coming in holding boards about
Speaker 1: something about hate and something about me growing into a
Speaker 1: real pain. So you got to applaud him for right creative.
Speaker 1: That's right, he's creative. And then we were in Louden
Speaker 1: County Public Library yesterday across the hall from a leftist
Speaker 1: leaning group called Teach Truth. And in fact, that's ironic
Speaker 1: because they're teaching lies in the name of truth. And
Speaker 1: that's why we have to be educated and why we
Speaker 1: need to teach these things to our kids, because they
Speaker 1: see something that has the skin of all of the truth,
Speaker 1: but it's stuffed with the lie. So we come into
Speaker 1: something called Pride Months, and kids think it's about being
Speaker 1: proud of yourself. But listen, even rightly understood, if you
Speaker 1: were to say, well, I'm proud of you, or I'm faithful,
Speaker 1: or I'm grateful for who God's made me, Pride Month
Speaker 1: isn't about that. Weirdly, it's about wanting the rest of
Speaker 1: the world to celebrate other people's sex life. I mean
Speaker 1: think about that, I mean, really get down to it.
Speaker 1: I mean I can love my enemies, I can love
Speaker 1: being a man. I can love being an American and
Speaker 1: you can too, and we can be into different things
Speaker 1: politically and hobbies and sports and look different. But if
Speaker 1: you're part of the pride thing, it's really about who
Speaker 1: you like to have sex with or who you like
Speaker 1: to have sex as, and we want to be pushing
Speaker 1: that into our children. That's wildly inappropriate and abuse We've.
Speaker 2: Talked about so many times is that this is solely
Speaker 2: about who you are having sex with, and that is
Speaker 2: such a You have to question why do people want
Speaker 2: to bring this into the lives of children. And then
Speaker 2: the flip side of that is that you're coming and
Speaker 2: you're reading books to kids that are giving them hope,
Speaker 2: that are bringing joy, that are are showing them future
Speaker 2: and how to love one another. And that is not
Speaker 2: and in no way are you putting down other groups.
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that is so important and
Speaker 2: so key when you see these manipulative people come in
Speaker 2: with signs that say this is hate. No, no, there
Speaker 2: is nothing hateful about this. You are not You are
Speaker 2: not putting anyone down. You are not prideful. You're not
Speaker 2: coming out and saying we're better. You're saying there is
Speaker 2: an opportunity to live in a joyful and hopeful way.
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that's so key right now
Speaker 2: in crisis, because we have so many kids in crisis,
Speaker 2: families and crisis. It's just a tough time. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I was telling you about my daughter graduating in my
Speaker 2: friend of ours, who is not in a Christian school,
Speaker 2: said it was shocking to me to see the kids
Speaker 2: had just lost a classmate and on ax expectedly, and
Speaker 2: she said the ease with which they were able to
Speaker 2: talk about the joy of her life in this time
Speaker 2: was amazing to me because they had faith and think
Speaker 2: there is a there is a reason that we are
Speaker 2: asked to spread the good.
Speaker 1: Word one percent. I love this quote from uh Noah Webster.
Speaker 1: But before I get to that, I want people to
Speaker 1: note that what I'm doing is part of a much
Speaker 1: larger movement of a revival and a renaissance of the
Speaker 1: values that led to this being the freest, strongest, most
Speaker 1: blessed nation in the history of the world. And if
Speaker 1: you want to check out not only my book, but
Speaker 1: books that were written by many different authors, go to
Speaker 1: Brave books dot com and they've got books that have
Speaker 1: pro God pro America values all day, every day that
Speaker 1: teach the fruit of the spirit and worn against things
Speaker 1: like well, one book is called The Island of Free
Speaker 1: ice Cream, warning children about the dangers of socialism that.
Speaker 2: We actually have had the founder of Brave Books on
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that you brought that up, because
Speaker 2: it is such an awesome thing to do for your kids,
Speaker 2: that you have these books constantly coming to the house,
Speaker 2: and just such an awesome opportunity.
Speaker 1: So instead of watching the news and putting your face
Speaker 1: in your hands while you sit on the couch and
Speaker 1: cry in your Chick fil A soup wondering what can
Speaker 1: we do, go to Brave Books dot com and subscribe
Speaker 1: to the Book of the Month club, and a new
Speaker 1: book will show up at your kids, at your grandkid's
Speaker 1: door every single month with a pro God, pro America value.
Speaker 1: And there you're doing something. You're investing in their hearts
Speaker 1: and minds and planting seeds of fearless faith and moral
Speaker 1: integrity into the next generation. Okay, Now, Noah Webster, one
Speaker 1: of our founding fathers, had a great quote, and this
Speaker 1: is so important for us to understand. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to push religion on anybody. I'm not trying to force
Speaker 1: some people to believe something that they don't want to believe.
Speaker 1: In fact, that goes against my religion. But Webster said
Speaker 1: it so well. He was not only founding father, but
Speaker 1: father of American education. He gave us Webster's Dictionary, and
Speaker 1: Noah Webster said, every government is built on some philosophy
Speaker 1: or religion, and the education of a nation will propagate
Speaker 1: that religion. In the United States of America, that foundational
Speaker 1: religion was Christianity, and it was sown into the hearts
Speaker 1: and minds of children for generations through the home, through
Speaker 1: private and public education. And it was root that produced
Speaker 1: the fruit of success and liberty and freedom in America.
Speaker 1: And if we want to continue with our success and
Speaker 1: our freedom, it depends on instilling into the children of
Speaker 1: America the principles of Christianity. That's not somebody's opinion. That's
Speaker 1: the fact from the people who understood the blueprint of
Speaker 1: the nation that has been unique in its successes throughout
Speaker 1: all of history. It's the ability to self govern because
Speaker 1: you love God and you love other people.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. It's interesting. I'll let you in
Speaker 2: on a little bit of background when you're running for office,
Speaker 2: because obviously I was running for office in a blue well,
Speaker 2: it was a purple state at the time. Now it's
Speaker 2: a blue state, but we're you know, we're still calling
Speaker 2: it purple because I believe we can get it back.
Speaker 2: But even in the conservative circles. One of my very
Speaker 2: first meetings, I was talking to the woman and she
Speaker 2: was asking me why I was running, and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I went through and all I said about my faith
Speaker 2: was as a family, we prayed about the decision before
Speaker 2: we came to it, and then we talked and talked
Speaker 2: in at the end of it, she looked at me
Speaker 2: and she said, let me give you one bit of advice.
Speaker 2: Don't ever tell anybody about your faith because you will
Speaker 2: turn so many people off. It is something that people
Speaker 2: make the mistake up all the time, and you should
Speaker 2: never do it. And then just a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: I spoke with one of my supporters and he said
Speaker 2: the same thing. You need to make sure that the
Speaker 2: people around you never speak of Christianity. And it struck me,
Speaker 2: and you know that it's one of those things that
Speaker 2: when you're out there. You live in a world where
Speaker 2: you're told not to offend people. And I've thought about
Speaker 2: that so much in the past few weeks, right, But
Speaker 2: think about that they are allowed to say to me
Speaker 2: something that you I mean, it is some It's the
Speaker 2: first thing, you know, that's the first part of me.
Speaker 2: It is what guides me. It is what helps me
Speaker 2: to make my decisions. It is what guides me and
Speaker 2: my parenting choices. And that is something that in the
Speaker 2: country that was found on Christianity, we are now told
Speaker 2: that if you are running for office, you should never
Speaker 2: bring that up. And like I said, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to same as you. I'm not telling you you should
Speaker 2: be a Christian. I am telling you this is what
Speaker 2: guides me. That is my north star. You should know
Speaker 2: what is telling me what direction I should go, and
Speaker 2: you should know that about me. But we are told
Speaker 2: to hide that. Isn't that shocking?
Speaker 1: I actually am telling people they should become Christians because
Speaker 1: I love them and I want them to become Christians
Speaker 1: and know the loving Creator who has a plan for
Speaker 1: their life that will lead to their peace, their blessing
Speaker 1: and a relationship with God and with others. And I
Speaker 1: know that you want the best for people too. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: There's so much that we could talk about here. I mean,
Speaker 1: just the very idea that someone tells you that you
Speaker 1: should never talk about your faith because it would be offensive.
Speaker 1: That statement in itself is offensive to millions of people
Speaker 1: like you and me in the United States. And I
Speaker 1: so want to respond to people like that by saying,
Speaker 1: your hatred and your bigotry are showing. You might want
Speaker 1: to cover those up because you're going to lose all
Speaker 1: of your friends when they recognize that you have a
Speaker 1: religion of your own that you're trying to shove down
Speaker 1: our road. And it's called secular humanism, which has no
Speaker 1: room for Christians like me. That's the height of arrogance
Speaker 1: and pride, and it's the opposite of inclusivity and diversity.
Speaker 1: You want to rid your land of people like me.
Speaker 1: And it's actually the people from my clan who actually
Speaker 1: love God and the principle of Christianity that make room
Speaker 1: for atheist Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and everyone else to be
Speaker 1: part of selecting leadership in the country through the voting process.
Speaker 1: That's only the result of the principles that I adhere
Speaker 1: to and those are the principles of christian.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, because part of our
Speaker 2: Christian faith is to be loving, to take care of
Speaker 2: widows and children, and that's something that I think that
Speaker 2: people have sort of twisted around on Christianity and said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, you're stopping that from happening. The we're the
Speaker 2: loving ones. You have six children yourself. Four of those
Speaker 2: kids are adopted. That is so beautiful. Explain to us,
Speaker 2: like what led you to that choice to adopt, and
Speaker 2: how have you seen your faith grow those children in
Speaker 2: all different ways, because I know as a mom of four,
Speaker 2: every one of them has a different personality and they
Speaker 2: are all very unique and exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we love having six kids. And you know,
Speaker 1: having six kids was the result of really loving my
Speaker 1: wife a lot. And we have four children that we
Speaker 1: adopted first, and then we had two kids the natural way.
Speaker 1: And my wife is actually an adopted child, and so
Speaker 1: that's a very special bond that she has with our
Speaker 1: adopted children. And in fact, I just made a movie
Speaker 1: this came out this last summer called Life Mark with
Speaker 1: the Kendrick Brothers. It's all about the beauty of adoption
Speaker 1: and the value of life in the womb. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine where my life would be right now without the
Speaker 1: most important people that are in it, my wife and
Speaker 1: my children. And if it weren't for valuing life in
Speaker 1: the womb and recognizing adoption as a beautiful method of
Speaker 1: bringing families together, I wouldn't have my wife. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have my four kids. And if my wife hadn't been born,
Speaker 1: if she'd been lost through an abortion, say, then my
Speaker 1: two natural born children wouldn't be here either. So adoption
Speaker 1: is very important to me and to my wife, to
Speaker 1: our family, and to millions of Americans. And that's why
Speaker 1: it's always going to be at the heart of the
Speaker 1: things that I do.
Speaker 2: So why do you think that's not a bigger part
Speaker 2: of a bigger push in this country, Because we obviously
Speaker 2: went through just now a major in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: a major fight over choice, But there doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: be that same passion over fighting to make it easier
Speaker 2: to adopt. It's hard to adopt in many states, it's
Speaker 2: expensive to adopt, and it's hard to do that. How
Speaker 2: do we change that? I mean, what can be done
Speaker 2: to show people the beauty of adoption?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think that's that hard.
Speaker 1: We've just got to have the same heart that God
Speaker 1: has for the widows and the orphans. As you said earlier,
Speaker 1: true religion is helping widows and orphans in their time
Speaker 1: of need. There are so many kids out there that
Speaker 1: need to be adopted. Unfortunately, there's not as many when
Speaker 1: you have so many abortions and those children being cut
Speaker 1: up and flush down the sewers of the United States.
Speaker 1: But there are thousands and thousands and thousands lining up
Speaker 1: to adopt children. There are more parents out there who
Speaker 1: either can't have children or want to have children but
Speaker 1: are un unable to, who want to adopt kids, And
Speaker 1: so we just need to do it. If we can
Speaker 1: just adopt those kids and adopt the orphans, we can
Speaker 1: make a huge difference. And just think Jesus himself was
Speaker 1: adopted by Joseph when he found out his wife or
Speaker 1: he is, the woman he's betrothed to be married to,
Speaker 1: is pregnant. Think of that. Think of Moses himself, the
Speaker 1: great law giver of the Ten Commandments, was adopted when
Speaker 1: his mother had to put him in a basket, floated
Speaker 1: him down a river, and the pharaoh's daughter comes and
Speaker 1: adopts him and sees him as her own. Adoption is
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing where God brings people from different backgrounds
Speaker 1: together and makes them into a family, just like he
Speaker 1: does with us. I was an atheist. Now I'm his
Speaker 1: son and a member of his family. He adopted me
Speaker 1: when I came to him by faith.
Speaker 2: You have such a beautiful way of intertwining every story
Speaker 2: into faith and connecting it back to the Bible. But
Speaker 2: you just said you were an atheist and you were that.
Speaker 2: Explain that story, because I think that's also something intimidating
Speaker 2: when you talk about faith to someone who doesn't get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I also know what it was as an
Speaker 2: adult to say, oh, actually, this is what it is
Speaker 2: to be saved and feel that change in your life.
Speaker 2: So I think, but I know because of that, I
Speaker 2: also know how it is easy to hold religious discussions
Speaker 2: at bay because you're not there yet. So explain what
Speaker 2: it was like to have that transformation.
Speaker 1: That's the positive trans movement. We read about it and
Speaker 1: you read about it, and it's very exciting. It happened
Speaker 1: to me. I had that trans experience, and I went
Speaker 1: from a person that was reveling in the kingdom of darkness,
Speaker 1: and I was transformed by the renewing of my mind,
Speaker 1: not conformed to the pattern of this world, but transformed
Speaker 1: into the kingdom of God's love and light. That's really
Speaker 1: all it means. As an atheist, I had faith that
Speaker 1: nobody created everything out of nothing. That takes a lot
Speaker 1: of faith to be an atheist. Nobody times nothing equals everything,
Speaker 1: that nothing made everything. And then somebody took me to
Speaker 1: church and I heard the message of the Gospel from
Speaker 1: the Bible. And I never understood that book. I just
Speaker 1: thought it was filled with these and thows and rules
Speaker 1: to ruin my life. And then I understood that one
Speaker 1: day I will die and I will meet the creator
Speaker 1: of the sun and the moon and the stars, the
Speaker 1: one who forms babies in their mother's wounds, the one
Speaker 1: who causes roses and strawberries and peaches and grapes to
Speaker 1: come up out of brown colorless sorry, not colorless, but
Speaker 1: but you know dirt that doesn't smell or and it
Speaker 1: isn't sweet, and outcomes cherries and watermelons and beautiful painted
Speaker 1: sunrises and sunsets in the sky with water and light.
Speaker 1: And I will give an account of my moral choices,
Speaker 1: and I will need his forgives, and he offers it
Speaker 1: to us had great cost to himself, and that was
Speaker 1: the death of his son Jesus on the Cross. That
Speaker 1: message captured me. I started asking questions and came to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that it required more faith for me to
Speaker 1: remain an atheist than it did for me to believe
Speaker 1: in God. And I went to church, read a Bible,
Speaker 1: and wanted to become a follower of Jesus Christ. And
Speaker 1: it was the best decision that I've ever made. And
Speaker 1: my pastor told me, Kirk, if anybody ever asked you,
Speaker 1: how did you find God in Hollywood, I want to
Speaker 1: remind you he didn't find God. He wasn't lost. You were,
Speaker 1: and he found you.
Speaker 2: That's right. He'll leave the ninety nine to go after
Speaker 2: the one. Absolutely. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll
Speaker 2: continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. It's fascinating to
Speaker 2: me something you said resonated that you said all of
Speaker 2: those rules will ruin my life, that feeling of if
Speaker 2: I commit to God, then I have to step away
Speaker 2: from who I am and what I am, And I
Speaker 2: think that that goes all back to pride right, because
Speaker 2: I mean, we started this conversation with pride, and I
Speaker 2: feel like we can end it on that same note,
Speaker 2: because I think so many people are afraid to take
Speaker 2: that leap into even reading the word or go walking
Speaker 2: into a church. Today we see that churches are struggling
Speaker 2: to get young people in. But I think that there
Speaker 2: is a time right now where that pride is leaving
Speaker 2: people so empty, and all of the draw of social
Speaker 2: media and being self important and self care and that
Speaker 2: life balance and all of those things that sounds so
Speaker 2: good are leaving people really empty. And I go back
Speaker 2: to the story of the kids in my daughter's eighth
Speaker 2: grade class who just lost a classmate, and one of them,
Speaker 2: the mom said to me, and this really touches me.
Speaker 2: The mom said to me, my daughter overheard some of
Speaker 2: the adults say I can't believe that she's gone. And
Speaker 2: she came up to me and she said, why did
Speaker 2: they say that, Because she's not gone. I know where
Speaker 2: she is. I'm like, that's faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good. And children have an ability to
Speaker 1: see things that older people don't. We can be blinded
Speaker 1: and our vision is obscured by fear and by worry,
Speaker 1: and by pride and other types of things. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a hotel room right now, looking out
Speaker 1: my Manhattan's skyscraper window in my hotel, and because of
Speaker 1: the fires in Canada, everything's very smoky here, all right,
Speaker 1: and I cannot see anything beyond about half a mile,
Speaker 1: and there's this cloud coverage. But this reminds me about
Speaker 1: something I know about faith. I'm looking at the sky
Speaker 1: and I believe that the sun is on the other
Speaker 1: side of this smoke and those clouds, not because I
Speaker 1: can see the sun, but because the sun allows me
Speaker 1: to see everything else. Faith in God is similar. I
Speaker 1: don't believe in God because I can see God. I
Speaker 1: believe in him because his existence is what allows me
Speaker 1: to see everything else, to see love clearly, to see
Speaker 1: truth clearly, to see goodness clearly. Without God, we don't
Speaker 1: have the ability to perceive any of those things. And
Speaker 1: they say, well, atheists, no love. Atheists can tell that
Speaker 1: there's light, goodness, and truth, right. That's because God exists.
Speaker 1: But if you take him out of the equation, everything
Speaker 1: goes dark. And as an atheist I do I make
Speaker 1: the miss I made the mistake many do today, and
Speaker 1: that is atheists steal from the Christian worldview. They steal
Speaker 1: from our worldview the source of truth, beauty, and goodness,
Speaker 1: and they hijack those and just assume that they're real.
Speaker 1: But according to their worldview, without God, none of that
Speaker 1: can really exist.
Speaker 2: I mean, it goes back to you saying that you
Speaker 2: didn't find God, He found you and that and that
Speaker 2: is so I think that's important for people to hear.
Speaker 2: Is that even I mean especially, I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of parents right now who feel like they've lost
Speaker 2: their kids in faith that you know, we have a
Speaker 2: lot of kids that go off to college and they
Speaker 2: get kind of hold into this concept of being prideful
Speaker 2: and you know what that looks like and stepping away
Speaker 2: from Christianity because you know, there's now people that consider
Speaker 2: Christianity a hate group. I mean, this is really we're
Speaker 2: really at this weird point of persecution that Americans never
Speaker 2: really had to face before because we were just very
Speaker 2: relaxed and the fact that that was protected, right, we
Speaker 2: didn't have to be concerned about that. But now it's
Speaker 2: a choice, and it's a deliberate choice to make. But
Speaker 2: even in those times when you are not trying to
Speaker 2: walk with God. He is there and he is showing you,
Speaker 2: and He is always there to bring you back. And
Speaker 2: I think that is the coolest part about being a
Speaker 2: Christian and being a Christian parent, because there is there
Speaker 2: are all these outside, these outside influences, and there's never
Speaker 2: a moment where hope should be lost because He is
Speaker 2: always there and he is always seeking you. You are
Speaker 2: out there spreading. This tell us a little bit more
Speaker 2: about the book and where people can find it and
Speaker 2: how they can see you reading to kids and libraries.
Speaker 1: My very first book was called As You Grow, and
Speaker 1: it taught kids the value of biblical wisdom and growing
Speaker 1: the fruit of the spirit like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness,
Speaker 1: and self control. My second book is called Pride Comes
Speaker 1: Before the Fall, and it's a great book about a
Speaker 1: tiger named Valor and an elephant named Kevin who have
Speaker 1: to learn a very important lesson about humility. And it's
Speaker 1: coming out at a perfect time June first, kids are
Speaker 1: about to get out of school. We're just in time
Speaker 1: for summer reading programs and during a month where kids
Speaker 1: are being taught that pride is a good thing and
Speaker 1: that they should have lots of it. We want to
Speaker 1: remind kids of the truth that pride is the base
Speaker 1: of all great mistakes. In fact, pride is the opposite
Speaker 1: of love. We see the rainbow colored signs of pride
Speaker 1: and love, pride and love. But pride is about self
Speaker 1: and love is about others. So the truest expression of
Speaker 1: love is not pride, it's humility. And we just have
Speaker 1: had a president Joe Biden this weekend raised the pride
Speaker 1: flag front and center on the White House. But did
Speaker 1: you know that George Washington raised the humility flag. He
Speaker 1: did that under his authority as the Commander in chief
Speaker 1: of the Continental Army in seventeen seventy five, proving that
Speaker 1: the United States of America was built on humility, not
Speaker 1: on pride. So I made a phone call to the
Speaker 1: White House this morning, Tutor, and I suggested that if
Speaker 1: we really want to be known for love in America,
Speaker 1: we should replace the pride flag with the humility flag.
Speaker 2: That is awesome. I love that because here we have
Speaker 2: such a strong influence from Hollywood that we've been trying
Speaker 2: to really kind of battle, and you come from there,
Speaker 2: you have a voice, you are using it for so
Speaker 2: much good. It's really been an honor to have you
Speaker 2: on the program, And for anybody listening, check out Brave Books.
Speaker 2: They're in partnership with Kirk what he's doing, the amazing
Speaker 2: things that you're doing going out there and kids can
Speaker 2: be getting these books, parents can be reading along. And
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I love in the most
Speaker 2: about this message that I feel like we need to
Speaker 2: get across is that this is just a lesson in
Speaker 2: how you can you can feel peace and you, I mean,
Speaker 2: I really do believe that your soul is at much
Speaker 2: more peace when you are living in a way accordance
Speaker 2: with what God is asking you to how God is
Speaker 2: asking you to live. And it's not controversial. It is
Speaker 2: just filled with love and filled with hope. And that's
Speaker 2: what you're out there teaching.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that. You got to tell that
Speaker 1: to the protesters that are showing up in our public libraries.
Speaker 1: Something's controversial to that. And I think that when we
Speaker 1: go against the spirit of the age and we properly
Speaker 1: define love and properly define humility, there's going to be
Speaker 1: some pushback because there's those who profit off of hatred, bigotry,
Speaker 1: and pridefulness. So thanks for this. I appreciate you and
Speaker 1: all the great work that you're doing. And if anyone
Speaker 1: would like to find out more about this original humility
Speaker 1: flag that was raised by George Washington, or you want
Speaker 1: to find out more about my book Pride Comes Before
Speaker 1: the Fall, go to Brave books dot com and even
Speaker 1: consider signing up for the Book of the Month Club.
Speaker 1: It's awesome because they send a new book every single
Speaker 1: month to your front door for your kids, grandkids with
Speaker 1: a progodpro America value at Brave books dot com.
Speaker 2: I love it. Kirk Cameron, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being here with me today and thank you all for
Speaker 2: joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always for
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