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Speaker 1: What's happened?

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Speaker 2: Everybody welcome in too.

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Speaker 3: A Wednesday edition of Texans All Acts says, Yes, I

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Speaker 3: am back, feel good. John Harris Football on a sideline reporter,

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Speaker 3: I say him back, I've been here. But the voice

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Speaker 3: that Texans, Mark vanderm Heir was there, and there was

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Speaker 3: the Owner's meetings. What's the official title of the owners meetings?

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Speaker 2: Mark?

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Speaker 4: It's like the Spring meetings or the NFL Owners meetings.

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Speaker 4: But that's what we know it as it's singular. It's

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Speaker 4: the NFL annual meeting.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Not meetings. Yeah, but everybody calls it different things. They

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Speaker 4: call it the owners meetings. But there are many owners meetings.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about this. There's another one in May. They

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Speaker 4: do it in October, May, in December two. They have

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Speaker 4: many owners meetings throughout the year, but this is the meeting.

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Speaker 4: They call it that because it includes GMS, coaches, owners

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Speaker 4: and league executives as well, So you get a lot

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Speaker 4: of that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: You get a lot of stuff at all of these meetings,

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Speaker 3: but I guess this is the most important one because

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Speaker 3: they keep it singular. Okay, a little later in the show,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have in the lab with myself and Drew Doherty.

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Speaker 3: We talked about big and big with the Texans draft,

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Speaker 3: Big and big.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit later in the lab.

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Speaker 3: But Mark, you man, the last couple of nights, you

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Speaker 3: have been loaded, a guest loaded, and in forty eight hours.

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Speaker 3: There's so much that happened at the NFL Annual Meeting

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Speaker 3: that we need to talk about. So I'm gonna start

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Speaker 3: in order of things that I think to me are

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Speaker 3: fun and just fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I said it. I called for it.

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Speaker 3: The night that Andre Johnson was named to the Hall

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. There are three Bears up on stage. Well,

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Speaker 3: Steve McMichael wasn't there, but he's represented by his wife

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Speaker 3: going in for the Bears. Andre Johnson the first Texan

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Speaker 3: to go in. Let's do it, Bears Texans Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame game and the NFL did it August first Thursday night. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know we haven't thought through all the logistics in

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Speaker 3: means I'm going to camp for the first time, never

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Speaker 3: been there. Ooh nice, which sounds I know weird for

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Speaker 3: wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: I want to go. Now we get to go.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of it's not that it's that hard to

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Speaker 4: get to. It's not as hard to get to a

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Speaker 4: say Cooperstown that's hard to get to a right. Springfield's

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Speaker 4: even easier to get to. For the basketball Hall OFFA.

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Speaker 4: I've been to both Cooperstown and Springfield. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: you were in Springfield.

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Speaker 1: Been to both now. It was a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: It's been over thirty years since I went to the

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Speaker 4: But still pretty cool to get through there. I went

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Speaker 4: I've been to the Pro Football Hall of Fame only once,

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and two. It's not that it's that

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Speaker 4: And you have to fly to Cleveland, that's the nearest

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Speaker 4: You got to make that a destination. It is a

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Speaker 3: They put the game on Thursday night and then move

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Speaker 3: interested to see how that goes. I don't know what

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Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how it's all going to go down, Johnny.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of planning, and you and I have

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Speaker 4: So I would imagine the team flies back that night.

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Speaker 4: They'll be back at practice Saturday morning, probably right. We

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Speaker 4: We do shows. We'll definitely have a show Friday morning

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Speaker 4: the morning programs. That's why they still have night radio.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to consider. Now we're talking about US fans.

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Speaker 4: You go down for the Thursday games. Friday, they have

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Speaker 4: I think that dinner's pretty exclusive. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: Now you get people in there for a long weekend

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'm just looking forward to being there. This

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Speaker 3: That'll be enough for me to just experience at least

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Speaker 4: So that news came out, then obviously there was the

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Speaker 2: Just you and I being together for the first time,

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Speaker 4: Talk about when Bob McNair passed. Janice McNair was the

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Speaker 4: And I'm not using all the terminology here, but she

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Speaker 4: It's been a road where you had Bob McNair, one

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know he becomes even more of

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Speaker 4: where it takes us. Yeah, the value the organization too.

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Speaker 4: Which they've always been high up there on this list,

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Speaker 1: I know they want to get rid of FedEx Field.

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Speaker 4: bigger than ever. The value is there, no question, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's no doubt. Okay, you mentioned the I don't know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately, we are not going west. It's the Los

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Speaker 3: pretty cool to have them here. I wish Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: I told the stories before.

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Speaker 4: About sitting there and watching him at practice, just ruin

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Speaker 4: like what, And I remember thinking, either those guys aren't

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Speaker 4: would be great to have the Rams come in here

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Speaker 1: And oh, you don't have to tell me twice.

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Speaker 4: And they're not even they're not even nice about it

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, that practices out in LA would have

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Speaker 1: That would have been great. That would have been great.

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Speaker 4: Is there another joint practice on our horizon on the road.

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Speaker 4: That's what I wonder. You're only gonna again have one?

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Speaker 4: So with that that game, you know, I dot you

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know that's just that's just to kind of

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Speaker 4: to some of these rules change.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't know when it's gonna happen, but it

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Speaker 3: will be some grumbling about it. There's no doubt that

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Speaker 2: I think, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If that helps people. I mean, I know what you're

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Speaker 1: Ish so the receiving team.

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Speaker 3: So the receiving team is then about five yards the

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Speaker 1: They're only five yards apart.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious how.

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Speaker 4: The NFL teams are gonna put this together and look

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Speaker 4: First of all, it's gonna open up the number of

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Speaker 4: He's got vision on things. That's why pars right. So

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Speaker 4: But he had the putt return against the Ravens and

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to it, and I know we have

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to organize all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the person that I think. I'm very interested

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Speaker 3: Kind of to my point, I want to know what

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Speaker 4: Well, Jim Miller said last night he thought more big

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's exactly my point, Like, how do you do

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Speaker 3: I said this on texagts this morning when I was

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Speaker 4: But the the player that I had was a nice

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Speaker 3: He did all the running back stuff, and he did

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Speaker 3: Every time that the running backs would like get in

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Speaker 4: And it just so happened that this rule is put

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Speaker 1: And I don't how many you're gonna have in a game.

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Speaker 4: You know, kickoffs fuel c score a total of between

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Speaker 1: They couldn't get it through that.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't get it through, so they said, and Rich

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really puts them back in the game.

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Speaker 3: I mean last year with the whole you know you

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Speaker 1: Know, kickoff totally gone. You love that part.

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Speaker 4: Like the first game against the Ravens, it didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: The second game is the first kickoff, We're all jacked

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Speaker 1: Five, you get out to twenty five. That was ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: And colleges still do that. Here's my question. You cannot

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Speaker 4: How often do you see the surprise on sidekick? How often?

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Speaker 4: So when you desperately need it, you're down a couple

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Speaker 1: The old way and you'll.

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Speaker 4: Do it the old way where they were down to

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Speaker 4: to get it to thirteen, but they can't do it

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Speaker 4: the way the rules are currently written.

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Speaker 2: Right.

444
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Speaker 4: He is a big proponent. By the way, the head

445
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 4: of the competition committee wants the fourth and twenty play.

446
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Speaker 4: He wants that options go I don't know, let's go

447
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 4: oh yeah, but y And he was asked why couldn't

448
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Speaker 4: you get that through as well? He said yeah. He

449
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 4: basically said the equivalent of like you got to pick

450
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 4: your spots one step at a time. Here, there's no

451
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Speaker 4: way we were going to get all that through. So

452
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Speaker 4: let's just get this through. I'm saying this, this is

453
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Speaker 4: really good for the game to do something. It's a

454
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 4: dead play. We all know it. It's a big buzz kill.

455
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 4: Everybody jacked up opening kickoff and then nothing happens. You're

456
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Speaker 4: kicking it out of the back of the end zone

457
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Speaker 4: or god forbid, it's a fair catch at the five

458
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 4: yard line, and they get it that the twenty five.

459
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Speaker 4: Come on, that stinks. That's not even football anymore. No either,

460
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 4: get rid of it or try something like this. I'm

461
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 4: still saying that getting rid of it is on the

462
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Speaker 4: table somewhere. If they hate this, if this is too

463
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Speaker 4: too much of a calamity. Either way, I could see

464
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Speaker 4: them eventually getting rid of the kickoff.

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Speaker 1: But they're going to try this for one year, see

466
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Speaker 1: how it goes.

467
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Speaker 2: Now.

468
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Speaker 3: They had a number of Special Teams coaches that they

469
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Speaker 3: engaged with to to look.

470
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Speaker 4: At the validity of this. Yeah, they put two of

471
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Speaker 4: them up there, Fossil one of them. I was in

472
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Speaker 4: the press conference room yesterday, right, and so they just

473
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Speaker 4: they talked about it, and they there it's like having

474
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Speaker 4: two Frank Ross and up there.

475
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Speaker 1: You get. You know, all specially teams coaches are all

476
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Speaker 1: the same.

477
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Speaker 4: You know what they said, though, I thought of you

478
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Speaker 4: because at the combine they all met all the Special

479
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Speaker 4: Teams coaches and they talked about the rule, and I

480
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 4: was cracking up. That's an SNL sports skit of a

481
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Speaker 4: Special Teams convention, special Teams coach convention, Like, oh my gosh,

482
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Speaker 4: there's in the world and they're all caffeinated, yelling at.

483
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Speaker 1: Each other, all fired up, firing each other.

484
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Speaker 5: Come on, you can do it, we can do this. Rule.

485
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Speaker 4: Man, I'm telling you after a big win, Frank Russell,

486
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Speaker 4: break your hand. Oh, Like he's on a level of intensity, yes,

487
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 4: and it's it's awesome. I mean the Texans special teams

488
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 4: have been incredible since he has been here. I I

489
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 4: can only imagine what it was when it was not

490
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Speaker 4: when it was decided upon, but when it was being

491
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Speaker 4: discussed that he was sitting down with his whiteboard or

492
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Speaker 4: pen and paper and going through going Okay, what can

493
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Speaker 4: we do? How could we do this? What's what's the

494
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 4: best way to go about this? And then you know, hey,

495
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Speaker 4: is is this an offensive play?

496
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Speaker 2: You know?

497
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Speaker 1: Do we have do we need to run like power?

498
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Speaker 1: Do we need to run zone?

499
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: Scheme?

500
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Speaker 3: Like?

501
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Speaker 1: How do we do this?

502
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Speaker 3: I've watched a number of the XFL teams and what

503
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Speaker 3: they were doing and kind of how they were there

504
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Speaker 3: were there would be different things like there was one

505
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Speaker 3: team I saw that actually like split their blocking, like

506
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Speaker 3: they're blocking one side one way and then blocking the

507
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Speaker 3: other side the other way, and so the running back

508
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Speaker 3: would then determine kind of where he wanted to go.

509
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Speaker 3: And I thought, interesting, Okay, that's that's one way of

510
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Speaker 3: looking at it.

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Speaker 1: So I just I love the fact that the return

512
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Speaker 1: will be a part of the game again big time.

513
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Speaker 4: That there will be spots on a roster for guys

514
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Speaker 4: like Stephen Simms, you know who has that big pun

515
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Speaker 4: return in against the Ravens in the playoff game. These

516
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Speaker 4: returns become that much more valuable. You're gonna have, you know,

517
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Speaker 4: a decent number of them throughout the season. How many

518
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Speaker 4: of those can you turn into big play now? I

519
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: know people were saying, well, last year you had Andrew

520
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Speaker 4: Beck fumble it, pick it up and go, and Damian Appears,

521
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Speaker 4: et cetera. Were a lot of Texans were really really

522
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Speaker 4: good three returns for touchdowns when you consider regular season

523
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Speaker 4: and playoffs to kick off one punt, y, Yes, that's

524
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Speaker 4: strong and we're great in coverage.

525
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Speaker 1: Yep.

526
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Speaker 4: With this new rule the way it's written, you are

527
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Speaker 4: gonna have some crazy stuff happen. You're gonna have a

528
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Speaker 4: lead in the game and somebody's gonna make a big play.

529
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Speaker 4: Might not be for a touchdown, but they'll get the

530
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Speaker 4: ball at your forty because of a return. Somebody sprung

531
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Speaker 4: a leak, whatever happened. I don't even know what it's

532
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: gonna look like. You've been watching XFL footage. I'll keep

533
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Speaker 4: going to people who complain about the game needs to

534
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Speaker 4: be safer, yet complain about these rule changes.

535
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Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways. They're trying to make

536
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Speaker 1: the game safer.

537
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Speaker 4: Either get rid of the kickoff, but if you want

538
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Speaker 4: to kickoff, it's ridiculous to have this, this ceremonial kickoff,

539
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 4: because that's what we have right now.

540
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Speaker 1: It's a ceremonial play.

541
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Speaker 4: If you're okay with that, then make that your take

542
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 4: instead of now. Andre would say I can't speak for Andre,

543
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 4: but I'm betting he would say, if you go back

544
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: to the old way, it's more exciting. He's absolutely right

545
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Speaker 4: with the old kickoff returns and rules, a touch back

546
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Speaker 4: at the twenty, you know, things like that. But what

547
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 4: we have here is evolution of the game for safety purposes,

548
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 4: and then it got too far. So now they're trying

549
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Speaker 4: to make it more of a playmaking kind of play.

550
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Speaker 1: But it's completely different. It's radical.

551
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Speaker 4: But even with the extra point to the thirty three

552
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Speaker 4: yard line, right, I think that was needed as well

553
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Speaker 4: because the extra point was.

554
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Speaker 1: Becoming a ceremonial player.

555
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Speaker 4: It's like ninety nine percent effective, So what's the point

556
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Speaker 4: at that At that point, Now you have the thirty

557
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Speaker 4: three yard extra point. Hey, you do miss some of these.

558
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 4: They're not trying to make all the plays in the

559
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 4: game more competitive, so you don't go to the refrigerator

560
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Speaker 4: for the extra point or so the kickoff becomes musty TV,

561
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Speaker 4: as they themselves worded it. Yeah, then you know, obviously

562
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Speaker 4: the safety being the biggest factor.

563
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Speaker 1: And I can remember who are you back in the day?

564
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Speaker 4: Running down on kickoff is about the most exhilarating thing

565
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Speaker 4: you can do, and it's the scariest thing ever because

566
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: collisions that occur, well you know what happens, though the

567
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: fans who are watching on TV don't see the collision.

568
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Speaker 2: That's that's true.

569
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Speaker 4: That's point camera follows the ball. Think about a kioff.

570
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Speaker 4: The camera's following the ball and it goes to the

571
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Speaker 4: return guy either goes out of the back of the

572
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Speaker 4: end zone or he he has it.

573
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Speaker 1: Now you see the blocking as he's running up. But

574
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Speaker 1: you missed.

575
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Speaker 4: As a TV viewer, I know you see all this

576
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Speaker 4: stuff because you're in the bill. Yeah, you're in the

577
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Speaker 4: on the sideline. You're watching this, andres watching this.

578
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Speaker 1: You guys see it. You guys watch the whole field.

579
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Speaker 4: Most viewers only see that shot and they missed that bam,

580
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: that initial contact. They wanted to get away from the

581
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Speaker 4: running start, obviously, and they've done that the way they've

582
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: organized this rule. So I think it's it's pretty cool

583
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Speaker 4: to set it up this way.

584
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very cool.

585
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Speaker 4: So a lot of stuff coming out of the NFL

586
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Speaker 4: Annual meeting. Kickoffs obviously were the biggest point of discussion,

587
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Speaker 4: I guess is the best way of putting it now.

588
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: The Texans sitting at number forty two and fifty nine

589
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: now while they stay there, probably not, But if they do,

590
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Speaker 4: is there possibility that they go big and big? We'll

591
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Speaker 4: talk with your Dougherty next right here in Texans All Access.

592
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Speaker 3: What's happen everybody? Walking back to Wednesday edition of Texans

593
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Speaker 3: All Access. John Harris here with you. It's time for

594
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Speaker 3: in the Lab with my man Drew Doherty. We dove

595
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: into a lot of different things, including is there a

596
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Speaker 3: possibility to go big big in this draft?

597
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Speaker 2: Take a listen, You'll see what I'm.

598
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Speaker 5: Talking about in the lab time right now, Drew, John

599
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Speaker 5: good to be with you. We appreciate you listening, watching

600
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Speaker 5: whatever you're doing. And John, how are you first of all.

601
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Speaker 2: Okay, hanging in there, and I'm knee deep.

602
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Speaker 3: I think last night I was watching a safety from

603
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Speaker 3: Ohio State at like midnight, trying to get because I

604
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Speaker 3: had I had made a point. I was doing a

605
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Speaker 3: certain number of players. He was the last player that day,

606
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Speaker 3: and it just took me on into midnight.

607
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Speaker 5: So I don't know if I wrote state players or

608
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Speaker 5: what were you doing.

609
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Speaker 3: It just happened to be that player. I don't know

610
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Speaker 3: why I was Josh Proctor from out Ohio State. Really,

611
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Speaker 3: you know, good athlete and you know excellent, you know,

612
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: build and all that kind of stuff, but you know

613
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Speaker 3: it might be a guy that Texans could look at.

614
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: On day three, you'll add to the special teams and

615
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: bolster the safety, the safety depth chart, if you will.

616
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Speaker 3: But your free agency has done plenty of that bolstering

617
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 3: depth charts. So we'll see kind of how all that,

618
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: how all that goes. But man, a lot of news

619
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Speaker 3: happening with the Texans. It's crazy, dude.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's start there. You brought up special teams. Special

621
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Speaker 5: teams is getting impacted externally in a huge way because

622
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Speaker 5: of the new kickoff rule, and basically it's the new

623
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Speaker 5: XFL or it's the XFL kickoff rule, which have you

624
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: haven't seen it. There's basically two lines facing each other,

625
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 5: and they're really really close on the kickoff, the receiving

626
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: teams into the field, and you can you don't have

627
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Speaker 5: to boom it as far and as hard you can

628
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: if you want, but if you kick it out of bounds,

629
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Speaker 5: you give them a touch back at the thirty. But

630
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Speaker 5: what this does is it probably eliminates any more Andrew

631
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Speaker 5: Beck kickoff returns for a score, which I just tweet,

632
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Speaker 5: So we're not going to see Andrew Beck getting loose

633
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Speaker 5: like you did. But I think it's probably gonna make

634
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: things a little bit more exciting on kickoff returns because

635
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 5: it's almost more like an offensive play really, because you

636
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 5: can kind of scheme some blocking schemes up that are

637
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 5: a little different, and so on and so forth, and

638
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: you can speak even better to this. But I'm cool

639
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 5: with this. It's I'm a little sad I won't see

640
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Speaker 5: the old kickoff, but this will be kind of interesting,

641
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Speaker 5: don't you think.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, interesting is definitely the word. And I'm not

643
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Speaker 3: totally sure.

644
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 5: Way too much in this this forum, but it's.

645
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Speaker 3: Not one for this This one's kind of like a

646
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, a doghead turn when when he or she

647
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: sees something like it's kind of like that, like, okay,

648
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: let's see. And the reason that's interesting to me is

649
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Speaker 3: how teams are going to attack this. Are they gonna

650
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: treat I mean, because the players are so close that

651
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: the you know, the defenders and the blockers are so close.

652
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Speaker 3: I've seen some XFL teams that run like some sort

653
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Speaker 3: of offense, almost like an offensive scheme, you know, the

654
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: way that they're trying to block that. And I would

655
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Speaker 3: imagine that when Frank Ross first heard of this possibly happening,

656
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Speaker 3: he sat down and started doodling and watching XFL film.

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Speaker 3: You know what did good teams with excuse me, what

658
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Speaker 3: teams with returners?

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Speaker 2: What did they do?

660
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Speaker 3: And you're right, it does eliminate Andrew Becks sort of return,

661
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: so we'll always have Andrew Beck and Jacksonville to play

662
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: that I think turn the season around in twenty twenty three.

663
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: But what it also does is it brings back the

664
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: return into the game because in all honesty and college football,

665
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: there are very few returns now because of the fair

666
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: catch rule, and coaches are just like, no, we.

667
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 5: Want to I don't like that. I don't like that

668
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 5: fair catcher.

669
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we had that last year in

670
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: the NFL, and I'll never forget, like second game of

671
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: the year, the Colts have a you know, they waved

672
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: a fair catch and I just remember my heart dropping,

673
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: like whoa, oh yeah, okay, And I thought it was

674
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: a great kick by Kaymie.

675
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: It just fair catch. So I hated that rule too.

676
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: But you're not.

677
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: You don't have as many returns in college, and so

678
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: I think teams in some sense have gotten away from

679
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: putting a really good returner back there. Well, I'm curious

680
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: to see now how NFL teams will do it. What

681
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: will they who will they put back there? What does

682
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: this bring back in that particular position, because that used

683
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: to be a value, like I would put it in

684
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: a draft report. Hey, this guy's got kicking punt return

685
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: ability dry. I don't know that I put that in

686
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: many scotting reports that I've done thus far, and I've

687
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: done almost probably two and two hundred and fifteen reports.

688
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've put in there. Oh yeah,

689
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: punt and kick return skills like that. I mean, and

690
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: I don't even know if a guy has to have

691
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: kick and punt return skills. You know, it might just

692
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: be a number three running back you want back there

693
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: a guy that can at least just catch the ball

694
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: and then run like a running back. And that's, you know,

695
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: kind of the Damian Pierce theory. Like last year, Damie

696
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: catched the ball. Now he obviously had gets a build

697
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: up speed, but you know, he's very difficult to take.

698
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: So maybe that becomes the role of the third running back.

699
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: Maybe that becomes the role of the fourth or fifth

700
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: wide receiver, you know, a guy that's got good return skills.

701
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: You know, does this increase the value of a guy

702
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: like Devin Dubernator just went down to Jacksonville.

703
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 5: I don't know.

704
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm really curious.

705
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: Keishawn Nixon is one of the better return guys with

706
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: the Packers, and so what does what does that bring

707
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: for him and what does that open up for him?

708
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: Maybe it doesn't open things up. Maybe he needs a

709
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 3: little bit more runway to be able to make a move.

710
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. So I'm curious how teams are going

711
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: to how they're going to defend it.

712
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: I'm curious as to what they come up from a

713
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: creative standpoint. So I guess the next one now is

714
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: what happens with the outside kick? Are they gonna give teams?

715
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: I know one of the teams, I can't remember which one.

716
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: It was proposed the fourth and twenty from the twenty

717
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: your own twenty.

718
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is.

719
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: And I was like, I love that rule. I love

720
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: it because I've I've been there on outside kicks. Man,

721
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: that's one of the scariest things I've ever been a

722
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: part of into sports ever, and I've faced ninety five

723
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: mile on hour fastball.

724
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: Man. Oh, you're saying, okay, so yeah, you're saying when

725
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: you're with you wise player.

726
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh. I hated the outside kick. I hated it

727
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: as a coach. I hated it as a player, hated it.

728
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: So I like the opportunity to go get the ball

729
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: again an outside kick. But you put in that fourth

730
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: to twenty ye rule because I don't know how you

731
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: want side kick with this thing now. I don't know

732
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: how that goes. So there'll be some things I have

733
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: to get kind of worked out. But you know, the

734
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: first game of the year, we'll end up featuring the Texans,

735
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: so we'll find out right away.

736
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 5: Wait what yeah, if you didn't hear the Pro Football

737
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame game. The Texans are going to be

738
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 5: in it against the Bears. It makes so much sense

739
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 5: because Andre Johnson going to the Hall of Fame he

740
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 5: was a Texan. You got Devin Hester, former Bear, going

741
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: in as well as Mango. Steve McMichael, that guy. If

742
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: you're watching or listening to this and you don't know

743
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: really much about him, just go go to YouTube and

744
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 5: look up Steve McMichael character with a capital C. He

745
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: was a part of that phenomenal eighty five Bears defense,

746
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 5: but really almost all of the eighties into the early nineties.

747
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: He was a force there on the inside. Then he

748
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 5: went into the WWE. He was a wrestler, got a

749
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 5: great He's always got like the good personality and good

750
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: perspective on things when you see the interviews. Sadly he's

751
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: fighting Louke Gerrig's disease, but he goes in as well

752
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: as Julius Pepper's played played with the Bears for a

753
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: few years, so with three former Bears, a Texan, and

754
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: the Texans haven't been in it since two thousand and two,

755
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 5: first year of the franchise, so that we kind of

756
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 5: do and that's gonna be fun. That means they have

757
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: four preseason games as opposed to just three. Don't know

758
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 5: how much we'll see off the starter's probably not much

759
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 5: because it's so very early in August. But nonetheless, first

760
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: bit of football we'll include the Texans and that's not

761
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: a bad thing. It's on Thursday night football. I can't wait,

762
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: you can't wait. It's gonna be a lot of fun. John,

763
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a great weekend because yet the game

764
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: on Thursday and then Dre going into the Hall on

765
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 5: Saturday night or Saturday afternoon.

766
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a pretty pretty awesome situation.

767
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: And you know, looking forward, I've never been to the

768
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and neither you know, it got to

769
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: a point where I was like, you know what, I'm

770
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: just gonna come up here with you know what a

771
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Texan gets in the Hall of Fame. And so when

772
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: Andre got in the Hall of Fame, I was like,

773
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: please put us in the game so we can get

774
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: a trip up there to cam and I would you know,

775
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: looking forward to that so so much. So Andre going in,

776
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, the game itself will you know, are always

777
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: fun and you know, you know, for us doing a game.

778
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: It gives us a chance. It kind of work the

779
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: kinks out, It does move everything up. You know, it's

780
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: going to probably start training camp a week earlier, so

781
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 3: that will change things a little bit, kind of changes things,

782
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: you know for us having to do you know, Monday

783
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: radio or not Monday radio, but morning radio for training camp.

784
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: But look, I think a lot of people are really

785
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: excited about this twenty twenty four team.

786
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: And I think last year it was last year the Ravens.

787
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: I think the Ravens were in it.

788
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: I want to say the Ravens were in it, and

789
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 3: you know they played all the way to the AFC

790
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: Championship Game. So this this is just going to be

791
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: I think a situation which a lot of you know,

792
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: twosing are gonna get a look, a lot of rookies

793
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: are gonna get some looks. And you know you're gonna

794
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: face the Bears during the season, so you're not gonna

795
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: give them anything.

796
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: It's just an.

797
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: Opportunity to you know, get some younger guys the opportunity

798
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: to scrimmage against you know, a Bears team, and I

799
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: would hope them at Egraflus and to be cool, sit

800
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: down and say Hey, we're not playing our ones.

801
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: You know, here's what we're doing.

802
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: And so you don't get a situation where, you know,

803
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: Texas are playing their twos and threes and.

804
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: The Bears are like, no, we're all in ones. Here

805
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: we go.

806
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

807
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: So either way, hopefully they'll they'll get that worked out.

808
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 3: But either way, I don't mind it. I'm very In fact,

809
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: I called for it. I wanted it because I wanted

810
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: to see dra go into the Hall of Fame. And

811
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: hopefully a few years after that we'll all find a

812
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: way to get to J. J. Watts Hall of Fame

813
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 3: and shrime it as well. So just really looking forward

814
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: to that entire weekend and everything that goes to the

815
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and just soaking all that in.

816
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: Can't wait. It's gonna be cool. Like you said, I've

817
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 5: never been to that one. I've been to the Baseball

818
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame in Cooperstown and.

819
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 2: That's I have too.

820
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 5: Tremendous too. Now granted it was in nineteen ninety and

821
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: I was thirteen years old, so.

822
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: Little that's a cool place.

823
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 5: Awesome town. Us say, all right, let's kick into this.

824
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: You and I text back and forth a lot, and

825
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 5: last night we were going back and forth about this.

826
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 5: I was running mock draft simulation. And now that the

827
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 5: Texans have moved back, and even before they move back,

828
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 5: the situation comes up quite a bit. Where at forty two,

829
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 5: a guy like Devandre Sweat is available. The massive defensive tackle,

830
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: knows tackle from Texas is there. You're a big fan

831
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 5: of him, I've seen his stuff. Boil boy, he's exciting you.

832
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 5: Wonder you know what's it gonna look like in the pros.

833
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: But wow, that's an intriguing fit on this defense. So

834
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: there are times when he's there and then you do

835
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 5: the next pick, and usually you go some other direction,

836
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 5: like there's a good wide receiver or a good safety available,

837
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: and that's something that I typically do. But then you

838
00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: get down to eighty six and they're still like Jinking

839
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 5: is available from Michigan, or Hall from Ohio State or

840
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 5: somebody else.

841
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: Are fisky?

842
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 5: I mean they're not the fisky is gonna be there.

843
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 5: But there's another really really really good defensive tackle who's

844
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: rated very very highly that slipped, and it's like, well,

845
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 5: what's to keep you from getting a guy who's got

846
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: a different skill set? Is not that massive dude like

847
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 5: sweat and taking him or vice versa. Sweat's gone early,

848
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: and so you go with one of those highly rated

849
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 5: d tackles that I just mentioned, Ruga Robro, He's another option.

850
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 5: And then you do another pick, and then McKinley Jackson

851
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 5: from Texas and a big, big dude is available late.

852
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: Why not go that?

853
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: Right?

854
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 5: Do you see that being a possibility going a big

855
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 5: and a small at the defensive tackle spot in one

856
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: of those first four picks?

857
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: I sure do.

858
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: And you know I know that, you know, bringing in

859
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: fully Foughtzicasi. You know he's three and twenty pounds. You

860
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: know that's gonna helpen. You know, Fully's pretty quick for

861
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: a guy that size. Just kind of watch him in

862
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: the games against US. You know he can move pretty well.

863
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: So you know that's you've you've gotten a little bit bigger.

864
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: But I don't know that you've gotten big enough. And

865
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: I think Follies on a one year contract, so you

866
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: just don't have big youth so or young bigs, depending

867
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: on how you want to put it. So to me,

868
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: I don't have any issue with going big big what

869
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: I what I don't want or I don't foresee And

870
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: and this is one of the issues that you've gotta

871
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: and you will encounter with this particular draft class. There

872
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: are really only a couple of just true bigs, and

873
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: that's McKinley, Jackson to and Andre Sweat. And there might

874
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: be a few, you know, down the road.

875
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 5: But as far as just who the name the big

876
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: big well man, you.

877
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: Know, I say that, and and I don't know, let

878
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: me take a look look at I say that, But

879
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: as I as I think about it, you know, just commnd,

880
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: there really aren't that many. You know, Zion log from

881
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: out of Georgia it's three hundred and fifteen pounds, but

882
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: you know, Justin Rodgers from out of Auburn it's three thirty.

883
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: I want to say, I saw him at the Senior

884
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: Bowl and I thought there were some good things from him,

885
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: But you just don't have a ton beyond that as well, Uh,

886
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: Fabian love it.

887
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: Justin jeff Jordan Jefferson, Justin Jefferson.

888
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: Jordan Jefferson has been a lot of Jefferson's at LSU.

889
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 3: I thought Jordan Jefferson mel she was really really good

890
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: in the Senior Bowl, topping out at three hundred and

891
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: fifteen pounds. So you know, the thing is when you

892
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 3: start looking at kind of the other you know players,

893
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: you know two ninety seven, three oh two, two eighty four,

894
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: two ninety six, three oh six, two ninety one.

895
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Two ninety three, nine Jackson and Sweat.

896
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: Well, it's it, you know, like we talked about a

897
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: few times, things have changed. You know, it's just not

898
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: it's just not a position that colleges are putting big

899
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: guys at anymore because they're taking those guys and like, look,

900
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: we can't play defense against this you know, blazing fast

901
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: offensive unit. We've got to be able to fly up front. Now,

902
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: We've got to be able to hold our own. So

903
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: you can't just go too fifty across the board. You know,

904
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: you do have to have some size. But if you're

905
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: putting a guy with some size on the field, you

906
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: know it's got to be you know, too eighty to

907
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: ninety and the guy that can move a little bit.

908
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: You know, a rarity now is becoming a McKinley Jackson,

909
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: the Tovandre Sweat. Those guys are moving over to the

910
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. So hopefully that'll that'll change

911
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: in the future. You know, I think about you know,

912
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: next year's group. Now's your Stackhouse from Georgia's you know

913
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: three twenty. You know he's a guy inside, but there's

914
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: no Devandre Sweat. I can think, oh, off the top

915
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: of my head.

916
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: But you're just getting sleeker now.

917
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: You still have guys. They're strong and explosive and twitchy

918
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: and those kind of guys. You know, guy like Braydon Fiskey.

919
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: I mean, his numbers athletically are off the charts and

920
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: he's too nine too. But there comes a point where

921
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: because the offenses now have three twenty, three twenty five,

922
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: you think about our offensive line.

923
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: Your our offensive line, you know it can average three

924
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: fifteen up to three seventeen. You're depending on who's on

925
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: the field at any one time. But you know our

926
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: guards can be pretty big.

927
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: Well, if you're giving up twenty five thirty pounds to

928
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: them consistently, you know that's that's gonna be tough.

929
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: Now they're quicker.

930
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: You can't see which you can't can't hear which can't

931
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: see sort of things. So if they move, well, that's

932
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: gonna be tough. But you can only do so much

933
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: of that. But that's what the colleges are providing now.

934
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: So there are a few bigs A little bit later.

935
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: But I think in looking at that, if that is,

936
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: if that is I don't want to say concern, but

937
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: if that is something that you want to look at,

938
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: you want to add to your defense, you want to

939
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: get some size. You may have to overdraft one of

940
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: those guys because there might be a few other teams

941
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: thinking the same thing. So we'll see how that ends

942
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: up going. But I would think just my gut, my

943
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: gut tells me that one of Devandre Sweat or McKinley

944
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: Jackson will end up with the Texans, just my gut.

945
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: But I also feel like you're you're right in the

946
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: fact that could they go big, big, yeah?

947
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: I think they. I think they could because I do

948
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: think when.

949
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 5: You go, let me clarify, I'm saying massive and yeah,

950
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 5: like only one of Sweat and Jackson, not both Sweat

951
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 5: and Jackson.

952
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Like capitol big big yeah, big big catch that sort

953
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: of thing. Yeah, Because to me, there's a little bit

954
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: more of those type players as I just ripped off,

955
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: you know, Chris Jenkins two ninety nine, Fiskey two ninety two,

956
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: Leonard Taylor, Miami three, ZHO three, Mike Hall Ohio State

957
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: two ninety gave all Baylor.

958
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: I like two ninety one.

959
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: Keith Randolph two ninety six, m kay wing go two

960
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: eighty four. I don't even know what position he plays.

961
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: Dwayne Carter three to zho two, Justin Boyd beat two

962
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: ninety seven. I like Tyler Davis Clemson three oh one,

963
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: Jayden Crummeney Mississippi State three oh one. I mean, you know,

964
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: in today's game, three oh one is not massive mm hmm,

965
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: but it's gonna get to a point where that's what

966
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: we have in today's game that the three twenties, three

967
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: thirties end up going over to the offensive side of

968
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: the ball, the three twenties and the three thirties that

969
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: you end up having staying on the defensive side of

970
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: the ball end up being freakazoids, And you know it's

971
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: gonna make them probably you know, there'll be a higher depending,

972
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: but I would imagine there's gonna be a higher demand

973
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: for you know, some of those. And that's why I

974
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: feel like Devonnery Sweat McKinley Jackson because they're kind of

975
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: the two of the bigs. They're probably gonna get I

976
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: don't overdrafted, but maybe drafted a little bit higher than

977
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: some of these mock draft simulators.

978
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 5: Think, all right, it's always fun talking with you. We'll

979
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 5: get into much more, but in between now and then,

980
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 5: enjoy your Easter, John, Yes see hippity hops and brings

981
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 5: you some nice jelly beans and Reese's peanut butter cup eggs.

982
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: Sound good, Yep. Easter is gonna be a big day.

983
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 5: Big day, big, big day. All right?

984
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: Remember Breaking Bad? One the best scenes of Breaking Bad

985
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: last season.

986
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 5: I never saw Breaking Bad. I've seen a few seasons,

987
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 5: but I haven't seen the one.

988
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: If you know, Walter White likes his breakfast with a

989
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: number on it, and so that last season is going

990
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: to be a number I hit on Sunday.

991
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 5: So mostly OKI do all right, John, always good to

992
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 5: be with you. Thank you, Thank you for listening to

993
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 5: in the lab.

994
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

995
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 3: I don't think Drew got exactly what I was trying

996
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 3: to say, but that's okay. It'll just be a little

997
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: mystery I suppose at that point.

998
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

999
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: One of the things that we didn't talk about earlier

1000
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: in the show with Mark was my thoughts on the

1001
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: hip drop tackle.

1002
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: I'll give you some of those.

1003
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: What's going on around the NFL next right here in Texas,

1004
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: all Access. We were a final segment of a Wednesday

1005
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: edition of Texans All Access. Appreciate you being here with me,

1006
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: John Harris Football on a sideline reporter for your Houston Texans.

1007
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: One of the things Mark and I didn't talk about,

1008
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: and I feel like this one is going to be

1009
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: I heard Tom Pelisaro's comments on it, and I couldn't

1010
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: probably have said it better the pelas sorrow did. I

1011
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: think this is gonna be something that early on people

1012
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: react to in the preseason or react to, and then

1013
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: we get in the season.

1014
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: I think this will.

1015
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: Take a little bit for everybody to get used to

1016
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: this hip drop tackle. And if you don't know exactly

1017
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: what the hip drop tackle is, basically what it is

1018
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: is a defender leaving his feet kind of swung around,

1019
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: trying to hang on to a tackle and then throwing

1020
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: all of his weight down on.

1021
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: The back of the legs of a runner or a ballcarrier.

1022
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: And that's yeah, it's funny because you know, that's that's

1023
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: something that every really used to be part.

1024
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: Of the game.

1025
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Now.

1026
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: Pelaso said that the NFL is concerned that there were

1027
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: some teams and coaches that were coaching that I've never

1028
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: seen it coached that way. I don't remember too many

1029
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 3: Texans tackling that way, but I mean, look, you gotta

1030
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: get a ball carrier down however you possibly can. So

1031
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: I feel like it's gonna be over officiated early. They'll

1032
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: be told to kind of back off a little bit.

1033
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: My worry is that because it becomes over officiated and

1034
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: they're not they're missing other things, but you just put

1035
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: more on the officials plate, and that gets really, really dicey.

1036
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: So I'm not a post I don't want to see

1037
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 3: guys get hurt carrying the football.

1038
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: I don't want that.

1039
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: But I feel like that was starting to become something

1040
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: more than it should have been.

1041
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: So I agree with Pelosarrow.

1042
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: I do think there will be kind of some over

1043
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: officiating of in the preseason, just to kind of give

1044
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: guys the heads up and then let them adjust. It's

1045
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: kind of like leading with your head a little bit.

1046
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: That that took a while for it to adjust. The

1047
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: players adjusted, they got it done. Speaking of players, Gorani

1048
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: Una fail real fast. Devian Clowney is doing something he

1049
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: hasn't done since his rookie years first few years in

1050
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: the NFL with the Texans. He signed more than one

1051
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: year deal. He sent a two year deal to go

1052
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: to the Carolina Panthers once CJD this year, let's we

1053
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: make it all the way to the super Bowl, which

1054
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: would be kind of interesting to face the Panthers in

1055
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Pro dae today at LSU, Jane Daniels

1056
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: through look good, But the story was Molikue Neighbors in

1057
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 3: a four the high four three low four four range.

1058
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: He had a forty two inch vertical leap. I mean,

1059
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: he did everything you kind of expected Milikue Neighbors to do,

1060
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: and a lot of people are kind of pushing their

1061
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: chest out, like, yeah, yeah, he's number one, man, He's

1062
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: not number one. I haven't really changed, to be honest

1063
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: with the receivers. I thought all three of them were

1064
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: dynamic this year. Marvin Harrison Junior Roam and Douonsay and

1065
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: Elie Neighbors and look, LSU fans are gonna fight for one,

1066
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: Ohio State fans gonna fight for another, Washington fans are

1067
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: gonna fight for another.

1068
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: I think all three of them are gonna be really

1069
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: really good pros one over the other. I don't know.

1070
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: I mean, Laie Neighbors said, yeah, he wanted to win

1071
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: the competition basically, but I think what you want to

1072
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: do is win in the right spot. The right spot

1073
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: is the biggest thing that matters. So Marvin Harrison Junior

1074
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: said he's not testing, so we'll never know. But milaik

1075
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: Neighbors and Rome Dunesey both tested and tested very very

1076
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 3: well and they will be catching passes in an NFL

1077
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: stadium near you, just unfortunately not in Houston. All Right,

1078
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 3: that's gonna do it. A big thanks to Drew Mark,

1079
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: to all of you for listening.

1080
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll see tomorrow, but as always,

1081
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: go Texans.

1082
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah,