1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to and that's what you really miss podcasts. This 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: is Darren Chris Part two. Boo boo boo, boo boo. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: He's the best storyteller. This episode could have been eight 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: hours long and I wouldn't have been mad. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: We literally don't have to do anything. He just has 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: to talk and didn't like the best way possible. 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, just prompted a little bit and then he just 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: goes so without further ado. Here's the rest of our 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: conversation with Darren Chris. 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: What was your favorite Warbler song to do? And speaking 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: of music, I. 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 4: Mean, gosh, I'm sure people ask you guys all the 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 4: time what your favorite number was, and it's hard because 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 4: there were so many, And so there's the differentiation between 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: what was fun too a song I liked next to 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: how much fun I had like shooting it right and 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 4: like what the day was, you know? 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have a hard time seperating like seasons 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: that way, because we were so attached to some seasons. 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: And then it's the memory versus watching it. 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 4: I remember the making far more than I remember the 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 4: seeing it because I haven't watched many episodes of Glee, 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 4: not by avoiding it just because I just I just 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: never got around to I never got around to it. 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 4: So or I would watch the premieres with you guys, 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 4: which I've always loved. I loved, like I didn't ever 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: want to watch it, not with people I made it with, 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: Like if I missed, because we listeners should know that 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 4: we would at lunchtime. I loved that. That's such a 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: fun memory. Lunchtime we would go into one of the 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 4: theaters and watch whatever we had just made and with 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 4: the people we made it with, and everyone's rooting. 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: For each other, the crew. It's so cool to watch it. 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and everyone's having to laugh and knowing what it 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: was like to make. And so if I missed those 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 4: for whatever reason, if I wasn't there that day, then 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 4: I would just like never see the episode because I 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: only wanted to experience it with the people that I 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: made it with. Yeah, that was really really, really special. 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: But having said that, my memories are more tied to 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: the days, so uh, and I definitely want I watched 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: all the musical numbers for sure, like you know, because 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 4: they'd be on YouTube or whatever. So I would have 46 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: an ability to see them much easier. Yeah than like 47 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 4: if I missed it nine o'clock at fuck eight o'clock 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: on Tuesday then But I don't know. I for Warbler stuff. 49 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely a fan favorite. 50 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: I think, what's a fan favorite somewhere only we know? 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: M hmm, yeah, somewhere only we know. I cannot believe 52 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: became a fan favorite because that didn't really emerge from 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 4: my to my attention until like the Pandemic and TikTok. 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 4: It was like when I was doing the show like 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: Teenage Dream, that was like the moment for me and 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: for everybody. And I love teenagers like I have no like, 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: I'm happy to do it. I love playing it at concerts. 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: It's my favorite. Like no complaints about about that song 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: at all. There were so many funny things about Somewhere 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 4: only we know, which is a the resurgence of it 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 4: that happened. I think there was like a on TikTok 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: it was like a slowed down version of it or something, 63 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 4: and that got picked up and that was and then 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 4: that shot up as at least on streaming O. That's 65 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 4: the the marker of like well it is frankly, is 66 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: it is the marker of if. 67 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: On Spotify? 68 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: I think, shut up, really, I think it might be. Yeah, oh, 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: I thought it was the most streamed as one of 70 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: my of mine. But if it is, that's because of TikTok, 71 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: because there's a new audience. So, I guys, Keen was 72 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: like one of my favorite bands in high school. I'm like, 73 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: we've talked about our love for ang anglophilic shit, Kevin, 74 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: you and I love we love Keen, we love we 75 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: love McFly, We have like we obsessed with British pop charts. 76 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: We talked a lot about this, Kevin and I for 77 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: a British fans, you'll appreciate like we like two thousands 78 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: British pop rock charts. Is like we love gold Standard. 79 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: So I'm a senior in high school, which is like 80 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: one of the most potent years of music conception of 81 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: your life. I'm starting to drive, you know, the CDs 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: that are in your car when you're starting to have 83 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: agency of your destiny, like driving a car like that, 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: those are the fucking you know yea. 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: I remember the first CD when I got my license, 86 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: like it yeah, imprinted. 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 4: But that but that moment I was going to say, 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: is like how driver's license is written. You know, it's 89 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: those nineteen eighteen years old experiences and moments in your 90 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: car feel like you're the king of the world and 91 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: everything speaks to you in this really amazing way. It's 92 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 4: it's a it's a really magical time. So Keen. I 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: remember going on a trip, my first trip to London 94 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: with my parents. I was like seventeen or eighteen, and 95 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: I saw a music video and I always watched like 96 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 4: foreign countries MTV because you know, it's it's not what 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 4: would be playing here, and it's not that we like 98 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: we were not in the global cultural economy that we 99 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: are now where I can, like I have easy as 100 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: much access to like the top one hundred. 101 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: And even buy songs off of iTunes in another country right. 102 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 4: Off of like HM v UK oh nice, Yeah dude, 103 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 4: I remember that shit, yeah, getting it on the well 104 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: or or I would I would buy records when I 105 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 4: was there, Like I would go to the record stores 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: locally and see what was going on. So I saw 107 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 4: a video for a song by Keene, which was the 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: single they were pushing at the time, was a song 109 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: called Everybody's Changing. That was I think the single off 110 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 4: that album was not somewhere only we know. And I 111 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: remember buying this record as ston as I could. Maybe 112 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 4: I bought it in London or I bought it when 113 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: I came back, But anyway, my senior year was sort 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: of scored by their album Hopes and Fears, And uh, 115 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: I can I remember so vividly all the drives, like 116 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 4: with friends, like blasting the ship. You know, that feeling 117 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 4: that's just goosebumps central, you know. So imagine my surprise 118 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: when years later, I'm I'm reading a script it since 119 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: Summer only, you know, by Keen, and I'm like, Okay, 120 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 4: this isn't exactly like a popular song, Like this is 121 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: a song that I like, I don't ever was it 122 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: that popular? And maybe in the think did you know 123 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: the song? In my mind, I didn't know it. Maybe 124 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 4: in my mind I thought it was just this song 125 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 4: that but certainly not as popular as the other ones 126 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: that were knowing it was like this, this wouldn't have 127 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: made the cut of songs that would be obviously done 128 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: by by me. Uh, And so I was like, cool, 129 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: I don't know who's calling these shots. But I happened 130 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 4: to have a very personal connection with this song, and 131 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 4: I remember doing this recond I record and I recorded 132 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: it with the same guy in the same way. Did 133 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 4: I go to near for this one. I think by 134 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: this point we started doing it in La. It's getting expensive, 135 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: I know, to make it right. So I was doing 136 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 4: it in La and I remember just being really weirded 137 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: out by it, because like, I love this record and 138 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: I'm like hearing my voice on it. I kept going 139 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: shut up, like like I want to hear I forget 140 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: his name, but I want I want to the real 141 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: singer like yet, So I didn't dislike it. I just 142 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 4: kind of had this oh God, I don't know, like 143 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: this is such a great record and I don't want 144 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: to like tarnish this. Yeah, and uh, and that's how 145 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: I felt. I was like, this is not the best 146 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: representation of this song that I love so much. And 147 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 4: then on the day we were at that school Burstein 148 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 4: YEP with Bernstein High and Uh. I have really sensitive eyes. 149 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a light eye thing, but 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: like Courty was so bright. It was really bright, and 151 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: it was a day where they had like those giant mirrors. 152 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: It was like a comedy routine where I was already 153 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: like the fuck what's going on? And then they go 154 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: like it was melting. My eyes are getting fucking melted 155 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 4: out of my sockets, and I remember I have to 156 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: like sing to Chris and every angle they went, this 157 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: was the day that I learned this one trick that 158 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: I'm sure optometerist would tell me it's a terrible idea, 159 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 4: but apparently it's a trick where if you, if it's 160 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: too bright for your eyes, close your eyes and look 161 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: right at the sun. I remember, yeah, and so just 162 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: to get your eyes as used to a bright So 163 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: I'm sure this is a horrible idea, but I would 164 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: do it and then open I'm like, you have three 165 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 4: seconds because if you're filming this and using this this 166 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: becomes the internet, it would be like and action. So yeah, 167 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: like it was so hard, So I have to watch 168 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: it again because I forget. I just remember the entire 169 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 4: time shooting it, going like god damn it, it's so 170 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 4: bright out. The song is not as good as the 171 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: original record, and I have to like act and all 172 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 4: I can do is this. I'm like tearing up, and 173 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 4: I remember asking can I wear sunglasses? Like at the time, 174 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: like there was a pink sunglasses thing that was like 175 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: my trade berk before I got in the show, and 176 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: so they wanted to put in there. It's the whole thing. 177 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: But I just remember doing that. I just it was 178 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: so hard. I was squinty McGee doing this. Maybe they 179 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: thought I was like really emoting. I was just barely 180 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: trying to keep my fucking eyes. 181 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I noticed it, But that's really funny. 182 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 2: It's also such a good I forgot how bright that 183 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: would be, like filming there at a certain time of day, 184 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: if it was sunny reflecting. 185 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, really that was hard, but that's what 186 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: I remember the most, and so now people have this. 187 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: But the lesson that I take away from this is 188 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: a reinforcement something I wheartily believe in, which is once 189 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: you make something in like if you make a piece 190 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: of art and it's released to the world, it does 191 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: not belong to you anymore, and it never did in 192 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 4: the first place. Like whatever experience people have with something 193 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 4: that you made, it belongs to them and their experience 194 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 4: and how they experienced it. Like I'm never gonna sit 195 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: here and like pooh pooh. People's like positive response to that, 196 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: like what a beautiful thing, Like they're supremely unaware of 197 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 4: my like kind of funny relationship with it. I'm not 198 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: saying I dislike it. I just had like a flimsy 199 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: kind of you know, connection to it, you know, as 200 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: shooting it and recording it. But people really love it, 201 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 4: and like that's all that matters. Like they don't they 202 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 4: don't give Yeah, well I love that people love it, 203 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: So that's, you know, something that I owe them to, 204 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 4: you know, be like, well, if you love it, then 205 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: like let's love it together, you know, like that's all 206 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 4: that matters. There was a girl that I did, Kadiza, 207 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: I'll shout out Kadijah, who was one of our urchins 208 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: in Little Shop who she she joined the show when 209 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 4: she was eighteen and she turned twenty one during our run. 210 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: I mean, she's grown up doing this show and she is, 211 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: you know, a young gleek. She loves glee and hearing. 212 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: She she really loves that song, and I love this girl. 213 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: So I'm just like fuck yeah, dude, Like that's so special, 214 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 4: Like what an amazing thing. It is so cool, like 215 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: getting the. 216 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: Twenty one year old knows su Quinez or like a 217 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: song like yes exactly, because ultimately it's promoting the band 218 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: that you love exactly, they get the check, you get 219 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 2: to hear their music great. 220 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 4: Exactly, And and it's just like that show was such 221 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 4: a gateway for so many other people, Like I'm not 222 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: gonna lie like the first like I didn't hear about 223 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 4: I don't know led Zeppelin because of like growing up 224 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 4: in the seventies. It's because they were on a soundtrack 225 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 4: for a movie that I loved growing up in the nineties. 226 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 4: So it's like there's there's gotta be some gateway, Like 227 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 4: it's not all gonna be because you were there in 228 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: that moment. Like there's like she really got into musical 229 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 4: theater and it is now doing a musical theater show 230 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: with me because of Glee, And I'm like, that's fucking amazing. Also, 231 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: you're saying a twenty one year old that knows Keen. 232 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 4: I'm like a twenty one year old that knows Glee. 233 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: There's still I mean, you guys must be experienced this 234 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 4: all the time. Like it's amazing that there's this new 235 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: there's there's still seems to be this interest that I 236 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 4: thought would be outdated, but it still seems to. 237 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: I know a lot of New York, like New York 238 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: when I go, because people are just out more. You're 239 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: in the streets and things. Yeah, yeah, LA don't really 240 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: feel it. But if I go to New York, I'm like, damn, 241 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: why are you guys still watching this? 242 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's well. Also, you know, there are some things 243 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: there you go like that's definitely specific to that time. 244 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: So I don't know if I would necessarily do that now, 245 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: but but yeah, people seem to not give a shit. 246 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 4: They stick to the the thing that is the most fun, 247 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: which is like the the vibrancy and the youthfulness and 248 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: the and the fun and and and for lack of 249 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: a better fucking word, the glee of it all. Yeah, 250 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 4: literally and figures in the music. So yeah, it's going 251 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 4: twenty one. Yeah, crazy, she loves that shit, I'll take it. 252 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is nice that I feel like 253 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: that generation that has had that has found it the 254 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: past couple of years inherently understands that it was of 255 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: a different era, a different time. Yeah, because obviously there 256 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: are things that have not aged well, but like, you 257 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: can't go back and redo it, but it is, but it. 258 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 4: Is well because it's that's not the main that's not 259 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: what the show's now just in the way that there 260 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: are things in Friends that I go it doesn't really 261 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 4: work now, but it's such a nominal part of what 262 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 4: makes Friends great and sort of like everlasting, that it's 263 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: not gonna, like, you know, delete it from its like potency. 264 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to hear about when you first started 265 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: working with Chris, because obviously, I mean Chris and Darren, 266 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: Blaine and Kurt became a worldwide cultural sensation, and as 267 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: a closet gay kid growing up, I would I was 268 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: desperate for any you're gay. Sometimes what shocking is is 269 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: is Darren's not. And I walked up on Darren once. 270 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: I felt like I caught him watching porn. 271 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 4: Go on, Where's where's this going? 272 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: He's sitting in the auditorium and I go up and 273 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, see over his shoulder, like what 274 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: he's watching. And I sit next to him and he 275 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: looks at me like dad just walked in and caught me. 276 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: He was watching a Judy Garland video on YouTube, the 277 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: Judy Garden Christ Special, and all he says is, I 278 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: know I'm like gay, but without allay all the gay stuff. 279 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 4: Thank you. I feel seen. I feel like I'm aspirationally gay. 280 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: It was. 281 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: It was the perfect summation. I was like, thank you, Yeah, 282 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: it was great. 283 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm a season ticket holder, like lifetime subscriber 284 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: of gay culture, like like the huge majority of the 285 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: things that I admire aspire to be try and like copy, 286 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: Like it's it's all from queer culture. So it's like 287 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: I make no I'm no pretense about my absolute love 288 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: of what we can affectually call gay shit. Gay shit 289 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 4: is my shit ndred percent. 290 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: So how did you feel coming into the show to 291 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: that storyline? 292 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: Like how well, you know we were talking about earlier 293 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: about me having this background in you know, in like 294 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: in create creating stuff and music, and in many regards, 295 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: it's this sort of slum dog millionaire moment where like 296 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: the questions asked for were the answers that I'd kind 297 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: of come in knowing just by sheer coincidence and serendipity. 298 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: I talked about this to great length when we were 299 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: kind of going around the press circuit of like my 300 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: time on Glee when I really came in. But d 301 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 4: I grew up in San Francisco in the nineties, like 302 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: I have not that that makes me some fucking like 303 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: hyper authority on the gay experience. I wasn't about to, 304 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: like straight splain gayness in any way, shape or form. 305 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: And I think anytime I talk about this, people who 306 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 4: are maybe perhaps a less less attuned to the grace 307 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: of allowing people to have their experience in relativity to 308 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: others might kind of misconstrue this. This what I'm trying 309 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: to say. But I came in with luckily, I think 310 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: the tools to kind of really appreciate what I was 311 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: doing in some way. And again that doesn't make me 312 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: some fucking saint or anything. I just so happened to 313 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: have had a very strong and comfortable relationship with queerness itself. 314 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: It wasn't a thing that was like, oh, like, it's 315 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: just like so much of my like I live a 316 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: very culturally queer life, like the people around me and 317 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: like the thing that I like, it's just it's just 318 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 4: such a part of the way that I experience life 319 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: that getting to be the guy that got to represent 320 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: that I felt was a huge responsibility. But also I 321 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: was like, man, I am glad that it's me because 322 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: I don't mind doing like talking about this or like 323 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 4: I don't get skittish about like oh I gotta talk. 324 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: It's like, no, I love this is this is a 325 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: community of men and women that I love dearly and 326 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 4: feel so connected to, like on so many levels that 327 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 4: I go few Like it'd be just like if you know, 328 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: if I'm playing like a fucking like pro baseball player, 329 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: i'd be like anything of like like I know basic 330 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: sort of like surface level shit about baseball, but like like, yeah, 331 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 4: I saw moneyball, like I like, I like the giants, 332 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: like I know, I know the players that I grew 333 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: up loving, but I don't I can't, like I can't 334 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: talk literally inside baseball. But like there like there is 335 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: the the the the gay struggle, the gay narrative that 336 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 4: I grew up around. I had enough understanding of and 337 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: comfort with that it wasn't foreign. And again I'm not 338 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 4: saying I was an expert or that like I was 339 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 4: the only person for the job. By no fucking means, 340 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 4: I just go well, and compared to a lot of 341 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 4: other people, like I perhaps was well suited to be 342 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 4: put in this position. Obviously there's still a lot to learn, 343 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 4: is still a lot to kind of navigate, but like, 344 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: it didn't scare me. It was wildly exciting, Like it 345 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 4: was a very fun thing to be a part of. Now, 346 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 4: speaking of gay shit, this is one of my favorite 347 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 4: stories with meeting Chris Colfer. So, Chris and we used 348 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: to joke on paper, and I think Chris would corroborate 349 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 4: this that on paper, like I'm like culturally way gayer 350 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 4: than Chris. Wonderful thing that Chris said. I think I 351 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 4: was talking about like old movies or some like you know, 352 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: broad stereotype about like you know, like gay men, about 353 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 4: like knowing like old Hollywood musicals or stuff like this, 354 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: that is the stereotypes. And I was like going off 355 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: on like some movie or some musical and I was like, 356 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 4: you don't know, blah blah blah. And then Chris Fantasy 357 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: said to me, He's like, can I just be gay 358 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 4: without the whole like gay thing? And he is right 359 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: like that, you know, there's a spectrum of all experiences. 360 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: Like it's unfair that there are certain things that you're 361 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 4: you're expected to be familiar with, Like that's just ridiculous, 362 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 4: you know, So I happen to know a certain amount 363 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 4: of things just because it interested me. But why I 364 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: bring that up? So oh so gay shit. So when 365 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 4: I meet Chris and you know, I've watched him on TV, 366 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 4: like I know how much people love him, Like I'm 367 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 4: supremely aware of like this relationship. Anytime spent with him 368 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 4: will be near impossible outside of Glee once the episode 369 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: is on. So, guys, and I give fo's a very 370 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 4: sweet story, which is why I will forever have such 371 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 4: affection for Chris Colfer. I met him the first day. 372 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 4: It was a scene where we were at Burns back 373 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 4: to Bernstein Bernstein, Bernstein, Tomato Tomato, and we go Karowski. 374 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 4: Max Adler, who's the first person I ever met from Glee, 375 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: by the way, who was Who's why He's always such 376 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: a sweetheart in my book? He was so nice to me. 377 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 4: The first is he like pins him up against the 378 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 4: fucking like wall. And you know this are the three 379 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 4: guys that I meet is Max Adler and Chris Colfer. 380 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 4: And uh, for anybody listening, going like, where's he going 381 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: with this with this gay shit thing? Oh Buffalo seat belts. 382 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: So I U I had tickets to go see Sonton 383 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 4: Foster do her concert, her cabaret concert. Bro that I 384 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: am to go see her at your c LA And 385 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 4: this is. 386 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: What I'm saying, ship. 387 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I love I love that I can say 388 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: this now. I think that like the like the culture 389 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 4: around has more of like a tongue in cheap relationship 390 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 4: with getting to talk what we're talking about. If I 391 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: said this years ago, people would be so We've get 392 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: so many things in a twist about what I'm saying. 393 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: It's like, dude, like, come on, we're all having fun here, 394 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: like we we all love each other, we all like 395 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: respect each other's like experience. Yeah, thank you very much. 396 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: So I so I have tickets to go see some 397 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 4: fucking Fosters you do across town. I think like the 398 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: next day or that night if it's that If it's 399 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 4: that night, then I really like, oh, Chris even more credit. 400 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: I've just met this person, okay, and he's like a 401 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 4: big deal, right, He's like a very recognizable like cultural 402 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 4: figure at this point. Yeah, And I say like, hey, man, 403 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 4: like and this is just how I operate, Like, Hey, 404 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 4: if we're gonna be doing this thing together, it'd be 405 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 4: nice to get dinner sometime and like maybe talk about 406 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 4: what we're gonna do and get to know each other 407 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: a little better. If we're gonna spend time with each other, 408 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: And I remember saying that. I was like, dude, you know, 409 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 4: it'd be nice to kind of talk about this stuff. 410 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 4: And I remember thinking, like, as soon as the episode 411 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 4: comes out, we can never be seen together in public 412 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 4: because I just be weird or or would make this 413 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: person feel uncomfortable. So I said, hey, man, I have 414 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 4: an extra ticket to see Sutton Foster tonight, Like, do 415 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 4: you want to go like my treat, Like, let's get 416 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 4: some dinner to get to know each other a little 417 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: bit because we have all these scenes coming up, and 418 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 4: be nice to you know, just to start this relationship 419 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 4: in a more personal way than what we're doing on set. 420 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: And bless his fucking heart, he said yes, Chris, Chris Colfer, 421 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: who doesn't leave his house, like I said yes to me, 422 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 4: and certainly at this time, and it was really sweet. 423 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 4: We went to uh we went to uc I forget 424 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 4: the concert space in the UCLA. I don't know if 425 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: they still do it, but whatever concert serious they had. 426 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 4: We went to go see her, and I remember being 427 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 4: around people like everyone's bum rushing him taking pictures and 428 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 4: I feel kind of bad, and he was. He was 429 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 4: already pretty good at like, you know, like balancing that 430 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 4: act of being gracious, but you know, not trying to 431 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 4: start a thing. And we went to go see Sutton 432 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: Foster and it was awesome because Sutton Foster rules. And 433 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 4: then we and then we got we got sushi afterwards, 434 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 4: and I was just asking about the I forget my questions, 435 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 4: but I was asking about the part. I was asking 436 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 4: about the process and just trying to do as much 437 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: as I could. And I think that is the last 438 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 4: and only time we ever went out just the two 439 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 4: of us in like a public space. And I'm so 440 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 4: glad we'll always have Sutton Foster, me and my story. 441 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: I love telling that story. Yeah, but also that's s 442 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: gay as fuck. I had in the best way possible. 443 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm actually great. 444 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 4: So yeah, that's how it all started. Was that was 445 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 4: my first like day with another because I had done stuff. 446 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 4: I don't know if I've even shot with the Warblers 447 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 4: at this point, but either way, I had never met 448 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 4: anybody from your guys as set. We were two different 449 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: planets a long time. I was on my own show, 450 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: different building. 451 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: By the time we ever interacting with you guys, you 452 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: guys were your own like click family. 453 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and I mean I even remember like tour 454 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: was really the first time I ever got to spend 455 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 4: time with you guys. Like personally, I'll never forget like 456 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: walking around Toronto by myself and you know me, Jenna, 457 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 4: I'm always the last one of the party, but I'll 458 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: be there, always last one in so many ways, literally 459 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: and figuratively, I'm the last one to know everything because 460 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: I never know what's going on. But I'll get there eventually. 461 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: If you guys are throwing a party, I'll be there. 462 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 4: I'll just be there like two in the morning, ready 463 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: to go. 464 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: Literally. 465 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: I will say this in your defense. I was just 466 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: having this conversation with somebody yesterday about people who are really, 467 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: really present, and like John Graff is up there, Matt 468 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: Boehmer is up there at your brother, and of course, yeah, 469 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: you're up there, because I think when you are really 470 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: present and whenever you're doing you might be the last 471 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: one to get somewhere or find out something because you 472 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: were just like you're face to face whatever's in front 473 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: of you. You are really there and engaged in it. 474 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: And I think it's. 475 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 4: That well, I I, well, this is why I was 476 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: bugging out about not being here. Like if I'm I'm 477 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: really I always say I'm LA's worst nightmare with making 478 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 4: plans because if I say I'm gonna be there, I'll 479 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 4: fucking be there like im. And if I'm not, I'm 480 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: gonna explain why and what happened. If you're the kind 481 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: of person that meets me to party, you let's drink 482 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: some time, I go okay, and I fucking remember it, 483 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: and I make time and plans because you said let's 484 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 4: get drinks, so I go okay. Like there's no casualness 485 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 4: if you have a thing, like I'll fucking be there, Like, 486 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 4: don't say come through. I don't want me to come through, 487 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: because I'll come through. But having said that, this is 488 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: the setup to being in Toronto and just kind of 489 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 4: like walking around on my own. You can just do 490 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 4: my thing and I'm just getting drinks with the Warblers. 491 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: We had a really fun day whatever it was. I 492 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: was just walking around and I remember walking into a 493 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: bar and uh Nya and Diana were just like having 494 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: drinks in the back. And at this point I don't 495 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 4: really know them. There's just these two like beautiful, like 496 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 4: all angelic ladies that I've been somewhat in proximity of, 497 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 4: and I remember it was like, oh, hey, what's going on? 498 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, come sit down. We like kind of 499 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 4: tied one on and having a good time. And I 500 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 4: just remember there was like at the end of that, 501 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 4: it was like, still gonna meet you guys. You guys 502 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 4: are a lot of fun. This is great. I had 503 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: never spent time with them, you know, I ran into 504 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: them in a bar because I again, we were in 505 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: separate spaces. But that was like the first time I 506 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 4: ever got to hang out and talk with them a 507 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: little bit. So yeah, in many ways, that was how 508 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: did they come up? Kevin was talking about just. 509 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: The tour, talking about tour, like the tour, Yeah, finally 510 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 3: being able to hang out with you exactly. 511 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: Those tour moments were so special, like when we know 512 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: we would pair off for like group up in different 513 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: groupings and like go around a city and do things. 514 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 2: I loved those moments. 515 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 4: Did you guys know that what we were doing was extraordinary? 516 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 4: Because I fucking did, Like I I definitely knew. Not 517 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 4: saying we were extraordinary, I'm saying the circumstance to the 518 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 4: arena tour. I was supremely aware in the moment. I 519 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: was like, this is not how people do things in 520 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: any situation in less. 521 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: Yours, then I think you have a different person. 522 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 4: I knew sad, yeah, because you would tour it around 523 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 4: a little bit. Yeah, I knew that. Like yeah, I 524 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 4: was like we were the only ones maybe yeah, because well, 525 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: to be fair, like nobody really there signed up that 526 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 4: they were going to be like you know, pseudo pop stars. 527 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: No, it's exactly what you were saying, because I remember 528 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: when we got to London and the girls were having 529 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: a tough go of it the first day, and I 530 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: remember walking to the stage and you know, people were 531 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: like I just want to go home and see my family, 532 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: and I was like, we have seven sold out shows 533 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: at the O two two. That is never happening again 534 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: for any of us. That is bonkers. People work their 535 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: entire lives to hope the statistically not and it's just 536 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: like absolutely insane. But in that moment, I also had 537 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: the realization that I'm with a lot of people who 538 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: have been on Broadway, and if someone said to me, 539 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: you have to go do X amount of shows on 540 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: Broadway and that's all you're doing, I'd be like, fuck, 541 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that because that is not 542 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: my dream. That is like at that age I had 543 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: zero relationship to musical theater, That's right, and so me 544 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: getting to go two or whatever arena that we were 545 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: at was my dream realized. And so I understood that, Okay, 546 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: these people don't have the perspective because this is this 547 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: was never their dream to do this. 548 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, like nobody and why would we have. 549 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 4: I mean even I like, I'm not going to sit 550 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 4: here and pretend that I had like massive touring experience. 551 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 4: I just had. I don't know, it just kind of 552 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 4: objectively nowhere went what was happening and like getting you know, 553 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 4: our own plane in our own bus. I was like 554 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, like. 555 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: That was insane. I think there were just different price 556 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: alreadies people had at that time. 557 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: People A lot of the girls like wanted to see 558 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 3: their family, they wanted to rest, they wanted to go home. 559 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 4: Which understand for you guys for sure, yes you had 560 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 4: you had a tough I have to give you guys credit. 561 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 4: And I always talk about this when people ask the 562 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: they talk ask about like the sort of boot camp 563 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: that was Glee. Again, my time on that show, I 564 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: I completely acknowledge was so charmed. Like again, I had 565 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: I had the the Golden ticket of like coming in 566 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 4: you know, after you guys had built it, like the 567 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 4: machine was built again, turnkey apartment, all the amenities, furnished everything, 568 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 4: Like everything was kind of handed to me in a 569 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: way that I count my lucky stars every day. I 570 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: cannot believe the extraordinary circumstances which was on which I 571 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: got to just ride the magic carpet on top of this. 572 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: By the time I had joined it, I've done the 573 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: I've done the reverse engineering and kind of like added 574 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 4: it up. You guys shot your pilot. You did the 575 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: Australia thing, right. You did this promo in Australia like 576 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 4: a trail Wow. No, then you then you shot shot 577 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 4: more a back nine right, and then you correct me wrong. 578 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 4: And then you did like a mini tour like a 579 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 4: radio city thing it was for then you and then 580 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 4: you went and then you went right back into shooting 581 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: season two. And then right after season two you went 582 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: on this tour. You had like a good two to 583 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 4: three years maybe two years of just like fucking every NonStop. 584 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 4: I come in at like the eleventh hour, like, hey, guys, 585 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 4: like he has this guy's way from energy. Yeah we 586 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 4: were tired. Yeah, but I'm not shooting every day. I'm 587 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: shooting like maybe a day or two. And when I do, 588 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: it's just my shit as opposed to like you guys 589 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: are in the cruise. So it's like those long days 590 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 4: where it's someone else's thing and it's exhausting, right because 591 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 4: you're like, I'll show up if I'm doing my thing. 592 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: But you know, the giving everybody representation on the pie 593 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 4: was hard, right, So for me, like it was all 594 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 4: if I was there, then I was doing something. Even 595 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: on the tour, guys, if you remember, you did eighty 596 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: five percent of the show, I park my fucking blazered 597 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 4: ass on stage for like ten minutes, do three songs 598 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 4: and Bob's your uncle, Yeah, and I was out. 599 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: We'd be heading to stage and I'd see Darren backstage 600 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: like not dressed. It was like, oh yeah, he's got 601 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: another hour. 602 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, like like on a skateboard, just cruising around a 603 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: fucking arena, gotting travel, traveling around the world, like. 604 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: Walking in with food the crowd. I was in there, 605 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: the show was starting in minutes, and he just like 606 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: walked in like, hey, guys, have a good shit. 607 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm telling you, like I know how Like I 608 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 4: would have punched me in the fucking day. I was 609 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 4: fuck this guy, Like I totally understood what was going on, 610 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: and like, I'm playing video games with the fucking Wards 611 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 4: in the back because you guys are working your asses 612 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 4: off upstairs and all the stuff. And I came on 613 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 4: for the last few numbers with you guys, but yeah, 614 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 4: the War Wars came up for like just a couple 615 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 4: of songs and like, and that was it. So it 616 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 4: was again so charmed for me. But when I was 617 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 4: realizing what was happening, I was like, these guys are 618 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: so like like they've been run ragged and uh. And 619 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: this did cause cause very understandable contention. I know, there 620 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff with I think we got 621 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 4: watches out of it. 622 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: Oh god, it's hilarious. 623 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Watching. 624 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: There was a bit of a wow, you guys been 625 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 4: working really hard, so here's your rolexes. I mean, I'm 626 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: a like, listen, my grandkids are gonna get that fucking watch. 627 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 4: Like I I got it. 628 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: I I mean I ensured mine and then it got stolen. 629 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 4: So all the time quarters with me. Just a couple 630 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 4: of days ago, I came to see little Shop and 631 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 4: we went out afterwards about the same way. 632 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: I was like, you had your brother Matt Bomer come 633 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: visit you. 634 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 4: How was that I did? He didn't tell me. I 635 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 4: I like it. I like knowing when people come to shows, 636 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 4: you'll you know this once you guys do Little Shop 637 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: or whatever Broadway show or whatever theater show you do 638 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: one day. Some people are very like I don't like knowing. 639 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 4: I'd get too nervous. I love knowing he's in the 640 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 4: audience because it makes me work harder where I'm like, 641 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 4: oh this was yeah, or if like I'm tired. It's 642 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 4: like a matinee and a Saturday Jenna, and like if 643 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 4: you and I were sitting there going like do you 644 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 4: know anybody? And you say no, and I say I 645 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 4: don't know anybody out there, we go, okay, let's just 646 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: like just want phone it in. But let's just like 647 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 4: kind of we can put a lid on it. We 648 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 4: won't go plus yeah exactly, c plus passing grade performance 649 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 4: just to savor energy for the Saturday night performance. But 650 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: if you told me fucking Sam Rockwell's in the house, 651 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 4: I go, oh shit, yeah, let's yeah, let's go coffee bang, 652 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 4: Like let's do it for Sam, you know him, because 653 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 4: i'd be like, I know, but I get excited about that, 654 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 4: and not to disrespect any of the people who are 655 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 4: there to see you and your audience. You know, you 656 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 4: do every day and you're tired. You need some juice. 657 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 4: So uh yeah. I remember he didn't tell me, and 658 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 4: I was like, man, how come we didn't tell me 659 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 4: you were here? But I saw him afterwards and he 660 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 4: looked like a fucking god. 661 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: He always looks like a guy. 662 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: God. 663 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 4: He is so gorgeous, painfully handsome. 664 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: It's like piercing eyes. 665 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 4: I know. Yeah. I say this about Evan rachel Wood too, 666 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 4: especially the hair, but they look like American war propaganda. 667 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 4: Like if I saw a poster of Matt Bomer pointing 668 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: at me with that jawline in those eyes and a 669 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 4: nice suit being like, join us, I'll be like, okay, 670 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 4: I'll jump on a fucking mind for you. You seem 671 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 4: like a sensible, handsome gentleman. Yeah. It's it's painful, and 672 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 4: it's worse in person. 673 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: Because that it's not as good as he. 674 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 4: Is a gorgeous man. Holy ship. When I heard that 675 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 4: he was playing my brother, I was like, that's I'm 676 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 4: very flattered, but like. 677 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. 678 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: Are my favorite episodes of this season, and it is. 679 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 3: It is the funniest performance. He gives the funny his 680 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: fucking performance. It was totally underrated in my book until 681 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: I rewatched it and was like, what how did I 682 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: miss it? 683 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 4: I got it? 684 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: I got to watch that so good. I love that episode. 685 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 4: My relationship with Matt would evolve because he ended up 686 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 4: directing me on uh and was he directed on the episode? 687 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: He was so great, it was so fun. Oh my god, 688 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 4: what a dear lovely man. He should be his his 689 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: his likeness should be like protected by the US government, 690 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 4: likes like he's one of our finest specimens as human. Yeah, 691 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: he's actually nicer than he is hot, because actually it's not. 692 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: I don't think he can be anything more than he 693 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 4: is hot. So he's Yes, he's probably just slightly nicer, 694 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 4: less nicer than he is hot, because anymore than. 695 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he came to which is annoying. 696 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 4: You know what this is gonna find Matt Bohmer. So 697 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna and say, you know what, fuck you, 698 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 4: Matt Bohmer, fuck you and your beautiful family whole thing. 699 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 4: Just take that much goodness, much good no more of you, please, copy, 700 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 4: copy paste paste paste paste paste. 701 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: Please, No, we love Matt Bomer. Okay, I have a 702 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: rabid fire for you, Darren. 703 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 4: You know this isn't gonna go well. You know you're 704 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 4: gonna ask me a quick thing. I'm gonna give you 705 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: twenty minute answer. 706 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: So I have a. 707 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: Question for you and then you can tell your story. 708 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: So I have a line up there. 709 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, okay, a plan. 710 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So what is your favorite song from Glee? 711 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 3: And it could be performance, it could be song, it 712 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 3: could be experienced. 713 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: You pick you, just pick one. You don't have to, 714 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be. 715 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 4: I'll say Jacob Artists was one of the most talented 716 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 4: parts of that show, and had he joined the first season, 717 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 4: he would be justin Timberlake. I think he would be 718 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 4: at a place where he'd be if that's what he 719 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 4: wanted to do, because that that being that level requires 720 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 4: the drive to want to do that. So I'm not 721 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 4: saying if he wanted it, I think that could have 722 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 4: been in his in his future. So he did many 723 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 4: songs that I just remember going like this kid is amazing. 724 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 4: Remember what he's rhythm nation? 725 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: Yes, without like without You. 726 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, was one of my favorites. He 727 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 4: was one of my favorite things to watch. 728 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 2: But what. 729 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 4: His He just sounded so beautiful. He looks great, he 730 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 4: dances great, he sings great. Like I just was so obsessed. 731 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 4: He was like, it's it's all about timing. Like I 732 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 4: think at that point, you know, the sort of the 733 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 4: white hot flame of Glee had started to wane a 734 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 4: little bit in the in the in the public sort 735 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 4: of like appetite and uh by no fault of his own. 736 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 4: I just like I I'm always shocked when people say 737 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 4: we're just Fay Party Glee and I say Jacob Artists 738 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 4: and like, and they don't know who I'm talking about, 739 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 4: Like you mean the kid that fucking came in and 740 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 4: like rocked the fucking ship out of it. Like, yeah, 741 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 4: I don't remember his I don't remember his character name Jake. 742 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 4: Was it Jake? Maybe that's what I don't remember because 743 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 4: it's just his name, Jake. God. I also love reminding 744 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 4: people that Phineas was on our show. That's always a fun. 745 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 746 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: I actually don't think I ever met him. 747 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 2: Really, he was there on I Lived. 748 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 4: I had an a conversation. You know what's crazy is 749 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 4: Phineas performs even though you didn't record it. He's like 750 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 4: lip syncing. I have Phineas on camera performing a song 751 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 4: that I wrote and produced because I wrote a song. 752 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 4: I wrote a song called Rise that was on an 753 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 4: episode where the kids sang it. Yeah, and it's just 754 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 4: weird now that I go, like what I wouldn't do 755 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 4: for Phineas cut? But boy has a Darren Chris cut. 756 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 4: He doesn't really because he's just lip syncing and he 757 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 4: didn't actually do anything on But yeah, Phineas. Oh, just 758 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 4: as far as the kids that came in the latter 759 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 4: hours of Glee, even though Jake came much earlier than Phineas. 760 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 4: I remember talking to Phineas at I think I told 761 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 4: him the story recently because he's like about town, Like 762 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 4: holy shit, Actually it's not sure he's not about town, 763 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 4: but boy, I ran into him and me getting excited 764 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 4: wanting to talk to him and like wondering if I'd 765 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 4: get the opportunity because he's, you know, basically like the 766 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 4: he is the A team at the moment. M hmm. 767 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 4: So oh, I was gonna say, uh, I got to 768 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 4: I was at this event with him and I was 769 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 4: reminding him, oh, because this is what happened is the story? 770 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 4: Remember when he was because he was seventeen. 771 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Because my sister told me a story 772 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago about how because she was 773 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: there that day and talked with him for a long time, 774 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, he said like, oh yeah, my sister 775 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: and I just like starting to make some music. 776 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 4: Yes, So this is what I remember, and maybe my 777 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 4: memory is augmenting it because obviously we now know what 778 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 4: kind of became of them. But we talked a lot 779 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 4: about music, and even then I remember being very taken 780 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 4: with him, and you know, you meet people with her 781 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 4: energy where they're so eloquent about a thing that I'm like, 782 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 4: you're probably I'm just gonna go ahead and bet the 783 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 4: fucking farm on you're probably very good. 784 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 2: He talked like he was exactly. 785 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 4: He was an old soul exactly. He was like we 786 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 4: were talking about production and music writing and guitar playing, 787 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, like, this is a teenager, 788 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 4: and like in my mind the dog years between like 789 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 4: seventeen and what, I'm twenty six or something like almost 790 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 4: ten years older than this guy. And I was like, 791 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 4: you're so young, and he's talking about producing music and 792 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 4: writing music. And I was really impressed, and I remember 793 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 4: he invited me. He's like, he's like, I have a 794 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 4: thing with my sister, and I don't know what their 795 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 4: age gap is. What is it, like five years? 796 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't know something like that. 797 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 4: I think, let's say it's five years, so Billie's twelve. 798 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god. 799 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 4: Maybe getting the math wrong. I just but just for 800 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 4: the purpose of the story, like if it's a five years, 801 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 4: she's very, very very young. So I'm sitting we're talking 802 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 4: about this, and he's like, yeah, Like I was like, 803 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 4: and I asked this anytime my musicians. I was, oh, 804 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 4: he just gigging or anything. And then he's yeah, actually 805 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 4: we're paying like a like a little fair. Me and 806 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 4: my sister. We're doing this thing. It's like in our neighborhood. 807 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 4: We're playing. It was maybe like a street fair or 808 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 4: something and or some small thing. Maybe I've gotten it wrong. Athhenius. 809 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 4: Ever hears this, it'll be like, dude, it was the 810 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 4: fucking Troubadour, Like who knows, but whatever it was, it 811 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 4: was some small thing with his sister. But I just 812 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 4: remember him saying I come through and maybe like that 813 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 4: sounds great man, I don't have to be able to 814 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 4: make it. But you know, anyway, like I said, you 815 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 4: asked one question and give you different answer. So Jacob 816 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 4: artists without you. That's one that's like any of the 817 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 4: stuff that he did. I think. Yeah, So it was 818 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 4: so beautiful and I was very taken with and I 819 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 4: like to shout it out because I don't want people 820 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 4: to not like remember that moment, which I thought was 821 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 4: so cool. 822 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: No, it's really such a good one. 823 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 3: Okay, what was the most And I don't know if 824 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 3: you all know this because you didn't really watch Clear 825 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 3: all that much. Do you have like an we talk 826 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 3: about unhinged storylines like very off kilter or bad storylines 827 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 3: that were like actually really wild. Do you have any 828 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 3: in your memory that you felt like were really crazy? 829 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 4: Much like the difficulty I have mentioned my favorite song, 830 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 4: because there were hundreds of times, there was hundreds of 831 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 4: songs we recorded. There were hundreds of unhinged story lines 832 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 4: that I can't I can't even remember what which one. 833 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 4: You're right, I almost don't want to say it because 834 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 4: I don't want to even remind people that it happened exactly. Okay, guys, 835 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 4: I'll say it dude, Blaine and Kurowski ended up dating. Yeah, 836 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 4: that happened. That's what I'm saying. If I hadn't said it, 837 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 4: you wouldn't have remembered it because your brain kind of black. 838 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 1: We never remembered it. I will watch it. 839 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 4: My brain has I just I forget about. 840 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: All that stuff from my memory too. 841 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 4: Well, not like consciously, it's just clearly my brain hasn't 842 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 4: prioritized it as very important, which is another reason why 843 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed. I missed last week and so uh so 844 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 4: my uh my, my brain did my my frontal lobe 845 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 4: did not. There was I was in conflict something new 846 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 4: that I had to be somewhere, but my frontal lobe 847 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 4: was too tied to my calendar anyway, both my frontal 848 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 4: and other lobes aren't. Yeah, that was. I can agree 849 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 4: that that that storyline was was wacky. Uh And Max 850 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 4: is like a is a great pal. Yeah. I love 851 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 4: Max and I see Max off and we have sort 852 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 4: of like bi annual like like lunch like four hour 853 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 4: lunch dates where we just talk about everything. And so 854 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 4: I care about Max very much, and I uh yeah, 855 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 4: every now and then when we're talking would have like 856 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 4: Dawn on us, like did that happen like that? That 857 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 4: would be absurd, it would be and it was, but 858 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 4: it happened. 859 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: So you know, Okay, this one's easy, and this is 860 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: my last one. We ask everybody this question. So, what 861 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? 862 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 4: Fucking it's the gift that keeps on giving, I would say, 863 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 4: I would say, for lack of a better fucking answer, 864 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 4: it's the cliche that I don't want to deliver. But 865 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 4: fucking Glee, Man, it's one of the great titles of 866 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 4: the show. Like it. It is such a gleeful experience. 867 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 4: I truly, like, I know there's a lot of like, 868 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 4: you know, hairy things that that people may think they 869 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 4: know happened on the show or project happened to the show. 870 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 4: Maybe because I'm a happy idiot, maybe because I can 871 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 4: block out that stuff, Maybe because that's just in the 872 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 4: right place at the right time. Maybe because I am 873 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 4: late to the party. Chris and I never was privy 874 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 4: to a lot of whatever difficulty or contention that may 875 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 4: or may not have existed between people in situations. I 876 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 4: had an a fucking plus experience on that show. I 877 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 4: loved every minute. I loved every person, truly, And anytime 878 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 4: people ask me about Glee, I'll go, like, you want 879 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 4: the t I'll give you the tea. I'll tell you 880 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 4: everything that I know because all of it is fucking 881 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 4: glowingly positive and I have a positive I have a positive, 882 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 4: wonderful story about every single person individually that if anybody 883 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 4: ever said, think, well, I don't know I heard this, 884 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 4: I'd be like, tell you what you want to hear 885 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 4: a really really wonderful story about that person, then I 886 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 4: have them. I have them all. I have all the 887 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 4: receipts on great moments with everybody. And yeah, Glee was 888 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 4: a gleef. Was so gleeful for me. It was a joy. 889 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 4: It was a joyous experience, and uh it was. It 890 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 4: was a fucking blast. I've loved I loved working on 891 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,959 Speaker 4: that show. I had so much fun with you guys. 892 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: I believe you. Yeah, I totally believe you. 893 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah again, happy idiot, Like that's just the way I 894 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,720 Speaker 4: process that kind of experience. 895 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 3: Like though it's not everybody's experience, and it certainly wasn't 896 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 3: everybody's experience, but like for you, it was, and it 897 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 3: was very real and very honest and like every day 898 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,959 Speaker 3: Darren came in with a smile on his face. 899 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. 900 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 4: I wish yeah, and I was, and I was, and 901 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 4: I was careful with it too, because I'd be like, 902 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 4: you know, I know, I I really I'm very aware 903 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 4: of whatever energy I give off because I don't ever 904 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 4: want to alienate or or antagonize people that aren't particularly 905 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 4: like you know, like happy, go lucky, because I don't 906 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 4: want to be a dick, Like I don't want to 907 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 4: let my positivity like rain on the front of you're 908 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 4: not yeah, So like I try and like put a 909 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 4: lid on it, you know. And I was very careful 910 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 4: to not and like not to say every like listen, 911 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 4: we had hard days, but on the whole, I was 912 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 4: always like this is rat this is great, you know, 913 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,359 Speaker 4: Like there were there were certain days that people were 914 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 4: like like where shit was tough and we're tired of 915 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 4: was like something that is going on that in the 916 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 4: on the inside, I'd be like pushing down the desire 917 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 4: to be like yeah, but guys in this rad yeah, 918 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 4: because it's just like get a punch from all like 919 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 4: every and you would have rightfully like it would have 920 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 4: been Darren, shut the fuck up, not now that would 921 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 4: have been the correct response, which is why I would 922 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 4: you never did. 923 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 2: I think I feel like we can talk to each 924 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 2: other like that. I feel like some. 925 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 4: People yeah, And actually if you did, like I would 926 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 4: never be like, oh god, I'd be like, yeah, you know, 927 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 4: like I I think I understood I Again, I had 928 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 4: a very bird's eye view experience of the whole thing, 929 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 4: where I understood where where you guys were coming from 930 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 4: the experience that you had, and I tried to be 931 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 4: as as sensitive to that experience as possible. But I 932 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 4: can currently had my own experience that was like this 933 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 4: sort of semi charmed life as it were, you know, 934 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,399 Speaker 4: this fucking charmed Candyland experience that set me up for 935 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 4: a really joyous experience that it could have been a 936 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 4: lot of other things, and it just so happened to 937 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 4: not be. And in the way that I kind of, 938 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 4: you know, not wanting to bring up certain storylines because 939 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 4: my brain blocked them out, Like if there's anything bad 940 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 4: that happened, I've kind of like blocked out because because 941 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 4: they're so eclipsed by things that were like so extraordinary 942 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 4: and wild that I just like I don't care to 943 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 4: like have give that any more shelf life in my brain, 944 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,240 Speaker 4: Like I got too much shit to remember and cherish 945 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 4: and love to like leave room for any bullshit that 946 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 4: like would taint. How how shiny some of those beautiful 947 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 4: moments really were, you know, like it's a one in 948 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 4: a million experience, one in a zillion experience. Like who 949 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 4: gets that, you know at that age? 950 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 1: Not everybody, yeah, ever in their whole life. Okay, you're 951 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,240 Speaker 1: allowed to tell your story now. 952 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 4: Uh, I will say this kind of connects the pot 953 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 4: or stuff. I mean, there's so many weird sort of 954 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 4: side stories, so if you can't tell, but my general disposition, 955 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 4: I am a comic con convention going person. 956 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 3: Right. 957 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 4: I went to comic Con before we were asked to 958 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 4: go to comic Con, Like, I waited in line all night. 959 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 4: I like, was that's like a thing. It was like 960 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 4: it was a it was a fun like pilgrimage I 961 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 4: would make growing up in San Francisco to San Diego 962 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 4: to go to ComicCon and my I think my first 963 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 4: year so I graduated, like may, I moved to l A. 964 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 4: So July Comic Con I went down to Comic Con 965 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 4: with him buddy Joey Richter, who would actually end up 966 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 4: being on Glee. He was one of the dance one 967 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 4: of the guys in I like Big Butts Wild. He was. 968 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 4: He was the Ron Weasley to my Harry Potter and 969 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 4: the Potter stuff. He's a big figure in the Star 970 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,760 Speaker 4: Kid uh sort of pantheon. And so we drove down 971 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 4: and I think we were we like slept outside all 972 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 4: night to be in Hall h to see the Lost 973 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 4: panel because it was the last than a Loss, and 974 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 4: we had a really great time, like sinking into parties 975 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 4: and like just it was always a fun thing for us. 976 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 4: And actually to make it even crazier is I remember 977 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 4: we drove from my Eastwick callback to that wow funny. Yeah, 978 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 4: that was wild. And I remember even oh because I 979 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 4: had my w my Warner Brothers pass for going on 980 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 4: that lot for that callback and uh, and I remember 981 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 4: going to the Eastwick panel and going waiting in line 982 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 4: for autographs from Rebecca Romain and all the stars of 983 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 4: Eastwick and I had them sign my my I've been 984 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 4: looking for that past everywhere. I don't know where it is, 985 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 4: but like Rebecca Romain like signed it, and then like 986 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 4: two weeks on set with them being like I meant 987 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 4: you guys at Comic Con. Oh so that's its own 988 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 4: little side story. But we were also there a very 989 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 4: Potter musical had just been kind of released, and so 990 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,439 Speaker 4: we went down because we were also asked to talk 991 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 4: on a fan panel for like Harry Potter fandom. And 992 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 4: this is really exciting because like, yeah, so we got 993 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 4: to spend our Saturday doing all the fun stuff and 994 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 4: Sunday was the Sunday since to be like perhaps not 995 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 4: as like the high demand stuff, but we're in the 996 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 4: smaller hall. We're like on this panel talking about this 997 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 4: musical that we did and like the Harry Potter fandom 998 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 4: as we've been experiencing it, and the joke I had 999 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 4: at the time on this panel. I don't know if 1000 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 4: there's video of it. Of this panel across the way 1001 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 4: in Hall H where I just spent the night sleeping 1002 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 4: outside of the previous night was the Glee panel. All 1003 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 4: h right, I'm not on the show. I have an 1004 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 4: audition for the show I have, but this but this 1005 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 4: is the earlier one, like for college, like the I 1006 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 4: had audition for it. But you know, so like Glee 1007 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 4: is happening and I'm like making jokes during the Harry 1008 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 4: Potter panel saying like, just you guys know, just to clarify, 1009 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 4: this is not the Glee panel. We don't want a 1010 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 4: confusion here. That's actually in hall h And I kept 1011 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 4: saying that, like making fun of ourselves for not being 1012 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,320 Speaker 4: as popular as Glee. The next year, when they asked 1013 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 4: me to be on that panel again if I wanted 1014 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 4: to come back, I had to say no because I 1015 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 4: was on the Glee panel. 1016 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 3: And Holly, yeah, I remember that. 1017 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 4: Cool. So I have a lot of weird sort of 1018 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 4: ins and out like parallel. Yeah, it's a special little thing. 1019 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 4: So it's all kind of life's wacky stick around man, 1020 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 4: crazy writers. Every season they've got some crazy writers, some 1021 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 4: unhinged storylines, dare I say life? Yeah? Yes, A lot 1022 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 4: of special, weird things like that were happening for me, 1023 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 4: and that's kind of how I felt about Glee. There 1024 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 4: were full these little magic, little holy shit moments that 1025 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 4: that continue that can like with somewhere only we know. 1026 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 4: They pop up in new ways and they keep happening 1027 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 4: and getting to reflect upon it with you guys make 1028 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 4: them more real in my life. I had to remember 1029 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 4: ten years ago. I don't know if I want to 1030 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 4: put this on the video but you know when your 1031 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 4: phone does whatever. Yeah, it was for some reason it 1032 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,280 Speaker 4: was the pictures from uh what the fox say? 1033 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh God, don't. 1034 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 4: A somewhat notorious moment. I know we were ending on 1035 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 4: such a positive things were going, they were actually and 1036 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 4: for some reason it was that. And it was me 1037 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 4: with like sort of almost lucious malefoy hair because of 1038 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 4: they gave me this do for the applause Gaga. Oh 1039 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,479 Speaker 4: it wasn't what the Fox say, it was for raar. 1040 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 4: I just it was a jungle. So maybe I'm putting 1041 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,320 Speaker 4: those two together. Oh that's why it was because it 1042 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 4: would have been the Cadie Gaga. So I was in 1043 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 4: Gaga and the next stuff and you and Jenna you 1044 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 4: were in like a Tarzani kind of yea. 1045 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 2: I took a bunch of pictures of all of you. 1046 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, we had it. We we had some time 1047 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 1: that day because I have a lot of pictures that day. 1048 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, that one comes up on my phone a lot. 1049 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 4: I'd probably just gotten a new phone. Then that's why 1050 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 4: it's like the the like the earliest memory of my 1051 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 4: phone has so again, things come up all the time, 1052 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,759 Speaker 4: and I'm boys are minded now of the things I 1053 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 4: really missed. 1054 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 1: Look at that one of them not being the podcast today. 1055 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm using this in a different context, but yes, 1056 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 4: that was my including you guys. 1057 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: We love you and you guys. 1058 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 4: It's nice to do this. I love getting to do 1059 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 4: this with you guys. 1060 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 2: Truly, I really appreciate you doing this again. 1061 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 3: We're four, Well, we're in the three. We just finished 1062 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 3: three and we're starting for. 1063 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 4: So this is this the first episode of the season 1064 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 4: or the last episode. 1065 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: Of three, last episode of the season. 1066 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, what an honor your fine season three. 1067 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,280 Speaker 1: Wow. 1068 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,320 Speaker 2: Thank you for spending this much time with us and 1069 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 2: really really appreciate it. We have to have you back. 1070 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 2: There's even more. 1071 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 1: There's always more, so much more, so much, always more. 1072 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 2: You're the best always. Thank you for being filtered talking 1073 00:52:59,320 --> 00:52:59,879 Speaker 2: through all of. 1074 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: The I love you, Darren. 1075 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 2: Congrats on the beautiful family you just you guys are 1076 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:06,720 Speaker 2: the best. 1077 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 4: Bye, guys. 1078 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed that is Darren Chris. 1079 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,720 Speaker 2: I feel like if you've listened to this entire interview, 1080 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 2: you get a very good sense of who Darren is. 1081 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 3: And truly it is true like he'd show up happy, 1082 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 3: like most days, he'd be like the one that you'd 1083 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 3: be like, even if you were in a bad mood 1084 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 3: that day, you'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna just like 1085 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 3: put a smile on my face because you know what, 1086 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 3: You're right. We should be lucky that we're here and 1087 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 3: we should enjoy it because this is it's just like 1088 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 3: being reminded and pulled out of it sometimes. And Darren 1089 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 3: was like always that person if he wasn't snapping on Figgins's. 1090 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 2: Couch very consistently, the cheerleader on set correct and that way. 1091 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 3: Well, we hope you enjoyed the episode, and if you 1092 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,080 Speaker 3: haven't listened to part one, go. 1093 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 2: Back listen and thank you so much to Darren. That 1094 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 2: was incredible. Thank you for giving us how much of 1095 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 2: your time and opening up to us, and that's what 1096 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 2: you really miss. 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