1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in history class from how 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: I am Holly Frying and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Sometimes 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: I want to just put them the weird in and 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: make it people suit and Sam Holly V. Wilson. I 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: really as you were as you were introducing yourself, I mean, 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: well inside baseball knowledge here. This is the fourth episode 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: we have recorded this session, and I really almost said 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: your name. Yeah, sometimes it happened of my own name. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: I'll just go buy a fun pseudonym. Uh. We are 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: doing today the second part of our Oliver Sea Haw 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: two parter, and in the first installment of this we 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: talked about his medical background and his drifting and his 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: drug addiction and his multiple wives and poor doctor work. Uh. 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: And we did that episode just after Haw's parents and 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: brothers died in a fire at their home that only 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: he survived, and that was a little weird. Uh. And 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: so today we are picking up with the investigation of 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: the fire basically right after it's over. And if if 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: you have missed part one for some reason, this is 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: the guy that, uh, the hit will be right in 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: the mouth of the hockey stick, you know when they 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: were kids. Yeah, when we did that episode. So just 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: in case you missed part one and are not going 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: back to listen to it now, although this will not 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: make as much sense without it, No, so we're picking 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: up the horror residences burned down under circumstances that were 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: extremely suspicious. Dr Walter L. Klein was the county coroner 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: at the time of this fire at the Hall residence, 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: and immediately upon seeing the remains, he found the details 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: of the case to be really surprising. It appeared that 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: all three of the bodies, Samuel Jacob Haw, Mary Francis 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Metz Haw, and Jesse Lincoln Hall, had all been clumped 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: closely together, which seemed quite odd. There was also very 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: little left of them, as their bodies had been consumed 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: in the fire and only the bones really were remaining. 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: And Klein questioned Haw in the hospital, just too prompt 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: your memory. Haw had been taken to the hospital for 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: some burns on his leg, and Klein asked him to 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: go over the events of the night of the fire, 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: and Haw told him that the family had had dinner 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: on Sunday evening as usual, that the meal had needed seasoning, 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: and that he had helped his mother with the dishes 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: and gone to bed early at seven pm. He did 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: not know when the rest of his family went to bed. 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: He said he awoke to the smell of smoke and 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: woke up his brother. Oliver and Jesse shared a room 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: and if they tried to call to their parents to 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: rouse them, but they heard nothing and they saw nothing 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: because of a thick cloud of smoke in the room. 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: They also didn't feel for their parents in the smoke 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: filled room, like feeling on their bed. Has said that 53 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: the smoke was getting to him, so he ran out 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the door for a few breaths of fresh air, and 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: by the time he turned back into the house, Jesse 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: was trapped. Oliver said he yelled for help and then 57 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: tried to pump water to put out the fire until 58 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: the burns on his leg wound up, hobbling him. The 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: stories Klein heard from the neighbors when he visited the 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: home later that same day were generally unkind. When it 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: came to Oliver, Klein once again returned to the hospital. 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: This time he took additional witnesses to observe this interview 63 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: and a stenographer to take notes, and Haw told his 64 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: story again. Klein's next step was to ask that the 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: meager remains of the deceased Haws beheld and not buried 66 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: as scheduled the following The following day, he wanted to 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: examine them. Then he made a press announcement that he 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: had intended to arrest Dr Oliver Haw on a triple 69 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: charge of first degree murder, and when Hall was taken 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: into police custody that very afternoon, Klein also met with 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: his doctors at the hospital, who had come to the 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: conclusion that because of the placement of the burn on 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Haw's right leg, they felt that the wounds were self inflicted, 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: and at that point Hall was discharged from the hospital 75 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: and brought to jail. Once he was arrested for the 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: murder of his family, it seemed like Hall lost interest 77 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: and staying sober. He started screaming and demanding morphine in 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: his jail cell, and the jail physician, which incidentally was 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: a job that Hall himself had applied for not long 80 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: before this incident, administered him small doses in an effort 81 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: to keep him quiet, although it really didn't do much. Yeah, 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: there's one account where the the jail physician is telling 83 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: him like I can only go up to this amount, 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: and that's kind of dangerous, and Haws like I do 85 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: way more than that all the time, even though he 86 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: had for a while it appeared, been sober and off 87 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: of drugs. But as news spread of hobbying in custody 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: under suspicion of murder, people began coming forward to talk 89 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: about their knowledge of his previous nefarious doings. Among them 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: was Dr Samuel Herman, the brother of Jenny Huey, to 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: whom Oliver had confessed to several murders and the plan 92 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: to kill his brother. This is actually something Herman had 93 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: some conflict about. He wanted to help the case in 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: any way that he could, but he was worried that 95 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: if he revealed that his sister had been a drug 96 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: addict and that he had any connection at all to 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: Oliver Haw, his own reputation as a respected doctor could 98 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: suffer for it. Dr Klein tried to keep Herman's statement confidential, 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: but it got leaked to the press anyway. I never 100 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: found out if he had much fallout from that one 101 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: way or the other, if his fears were were legit, 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: or if people continued to respect him, or presumably who 103 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: leaked that yeah. Uh. For his part, Klein took the 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: case very seriously and it became something of a mission 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: for him. He not only intended to prove that Oliver 106 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Haw had murdered his own family, but that he had 107 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: killed many others as well. As a prisoner, Oliver was 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: unsurprisingly quite difficult when the time came for him to 109 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: be moved from the jail to appear before a Justice 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: of the Piece to be formally charged. He claimed that 111 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: the burns on his leg rendered him unable to walk 112 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: without crutches, even though the wounds themselves had been deemed 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: to be very minor by medical professionals. Just the same, 114 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: an effort was made to find him crutches. Rather than 115 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: argue with him about it, he made additional requests like 116 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: a glass of milk and a bucket of water to 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: soak his leg. Yeah, he really was trying to slow 118 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: down that whole process, and while Haw could not stave 119 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: off the inevitable forever, when he finally was moved, he 120 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: made a very dramatic scene of it. He walked with 121 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: a pronounced hobble on his crutches, even though he had 122 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: been pacing in his cell just fine in previous days. 123 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: There was much groaning and moaning, and even through the 124 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: reading of the charges he twisted and winced and yelled 125 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that he needed morphine. He pled not guilty to the 126 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: charges and was taken back to jail. That same day, 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: which was November ten, Oliver's parents and brother were buried. 128 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: There was so little left of their bodies that only 129 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: one casket was used to enter all three of them. 130 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: Anna and Oliver's two sons attended the services, and later 131 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: that afternoon, Anna and Oliver met and spoke about the 132 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: haw property and went the rest of the family dead. 133 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: Oliver automatically gained ownership of the house, but Anna begged 134 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: him to sign it over to her, and at first 135 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: he protested but the request by asking, quote, if I 136 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: do that, what will become of me? But then he 137 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: finally acquiesced. Haw knew that he might be in very 138 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: serious trouble. He was hoping that he could be put 139 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: in another asylum rather than prison, as he had a 140 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: plan to once again moved to a new occasion, this 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: time in Indiana, if he could just serve a few 142 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: months in an asylum and then get released. When a 143 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: fellow inmate at the jail described the behavior of his sister, 144 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: who was in an asylum. Haw adopted all those mannerisms 145 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: and an effort to make a convincing case. One of 146 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: these behaviors didn't laugh long uh at haws appetite was 147 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: stronger than his commitment to just not eat as a 148 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: fake symptom. And because this case received major newspaper coverage, 149 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: in part because Dr Klein gave multiple press statements about 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: his intent to prove Haw's guilt, people started to question 151 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: just about any death that had taken place when Oliver 152 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Hall was near Anna. Haw's mother, Margaret Eckley, in fact, 153 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: began to speak openly with suspicion about her husband's sudden 154 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: death years earlier, that is if you recall the first 155 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: suspicious incident that happened around all of her Hall from 156 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: our first episode. Additionally, all that news coverage brought out 157 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: all the curious lucky loose to the burned out Haw home. 158 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: As we often find in situations like this, many took 159 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: home pieces of the rebble as souvenirs, and all the while, 160 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: the publicity brought letters pouring into the police department from 161 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: people who believed that Hall had killed someone they knew, 162 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: and even one from a woman who thought she may 163 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: have been married to him, but she wasn't sure unless 164 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: she could see a photo. Dr Klein finished his coroner's report. Uh, 165 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: and remember how Hall had been given hyocine hydrobro mind 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: while he was at the dating Asylum for the insane, 167 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: and then he ordered a bunch right before this all happened. Uh. 168 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: Clients reports stated that the three deceased family members had 169 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: an overdose of hyacene. Kleine also told the press that 170 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: he believed that Haw had been married a total of 171 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: nine times and that four of those wives had been 172 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: killed when Hot injected hya scene into their spines. Newspaper 173 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: articles compared Hot to other famous serial killers, including former 174 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: podcast subject H. Tolmes, and even started to try to 175 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: link him to any number of unsolved murders. Some of 176 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: the lenks were really outlandish, but others definitely had at 177 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: least circumstantial evidence to fuel them. Yeah, basically any serial 178 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: killer case that that had been lurking and gone unsolved 179 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: in the u S. At the time, people were like, 180 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: maybe that's where Oliver Hawa was. When nobody knew where 181 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: he was. He really sort of became the devil that 182 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: everyone thought had done all of the bad things. And 183 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: next up we're gonna discuss the grand jury for the 184 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: hawcase as well as the trial. But before we get 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: into the we're gonna pause and have a word from 186 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: a sponsor. Hause case was brought before a grand jury 187 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: which found cause to indict him for three accounts of 188 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: first degree murder. Just to a quick rundown of how 189 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: a grand jury works in the United States justice system, 190 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: We're going to give you basics because this becomes really 191 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: important during the trial. So, a grand jury is convened 192 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: not to determine guilt or innocence, but to determine whether 193 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: to bring an indictment, which is a formal charge of 194 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: a serious crime. A grand jury is unlike a normal jury. 195 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't hear the case from both sides. Instead, it 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: works with the prosecutor to see if there's enough substance 197 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: to the case to merit those formal charges. If the 198 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: grand jury votes for formal charges, those charges can supersede 199 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: the existing charges based on a number of factors, including 200 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: additional evidence. It basically answers the question, is there enough 201 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: evidence to charge this person? Yeah. It kind of expedites 202 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: the trial once you get to it, Yeah, so a 203 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: grand jury is not open to the public. Instead of 204 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: a case being presented by both sides, the prosecutor explains 205 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: the law to the assembled jury members, and then evidence 206 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: and testimony is examined and heard to determine the soundness 207 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: of moving forward with formal charges. It's normally a slightly 208 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: less formal proceeding than an actual trial, and the things 209 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: that happen in a grand jury are are confidential. And 210 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: we're explaining all this because once oliverur Haw's criminal proceedings began, 211 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: a very strange request was issued by his court appointed 212 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: legal counsel, a team of two attorneys named Conrad JA. 213 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Mattern and Harry F. Nolan. When Hall appeared in court 214 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: on February tenth, nineteen o six, to be formally charged 215 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: and plead on these charges, he pled not guilty, and 216 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: then his attorney, Mattern, asked if the judge would enable 217 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the defense to read the normally confidential minutes of the 218 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: grand jury or have the venographer from the proceedings testify. 219 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: This was just as weird as it sounds. It had 220 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: never happened before in the state of Ohio, and the 221 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: reason that the defense made such an odd request was 222 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: that the defendant Haw had refused to discuss the case 223 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: with either of his lawyers. They felt that they needed 224 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: to see the grand jury information in order to formulate 225 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: a defense plan. This request was not meant well. The 226 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: prosecution was vehemently against opening the records, and the judge R. 227 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: And B. Brown didn't even feel that he had the 228 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: power to grant such a request. The request was officially 229 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: denied four days later when all involved parties returned to court. 230 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: Judge Brown made it clear that it was really Haw's 231 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: own problem if he wouldn't help himself by speaking to 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: his lawyers, and the refusal to speak to counsel on 233 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: Haw's part was in his lawyer's opinions and indication of insanity. 234 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: Plenty of people believed that it was part of the 235 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: doctor's larger plan to appear insane in the hopes that 236 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: he might get a shorter sentence of committal to an asylum, 237 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: and then others leave that he had simply lost track 238 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: of the various versions of the story he had been 239 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: telling since they did not all match up, and that 240 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: he opted to stay quiet rather than contradict himself even more. 241 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: The jury selection process again next on February one, three 242 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: fifty men were called for jury selection. At this point, 243 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: Ohio law stated that only eligible voters could serve on 244 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: a jury, and as passage of the Nineteenth Amendment was 245 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: still fourteen years off, no women could serve on jury's 246 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: at the time. After the twelve men were selected, they 247 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: were taken to the hawf farm to see the scene firsthand. 248 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: The burned out remains of the house had really been 249 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: picked over by people looking for grizzly souvenirs by then. 250 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: On February the following day, the case began in a 251 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: courtroom that was packed with spectators. The first portion of 252 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: the trial forces focused on the charges as they related 253 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: to the death of Haw's mother, Mary Francis Haw. The 254 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: primary points made by the prosecution refuted the various versions 255 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: of Hawes story as told to neighbors on the night 256 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: of the fire and then to Dr Klein later. The 257 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: beds in the Hall Home had not appeared to have 258 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: been slept in except for one, to anyone who entered 259 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: the house, despite Oliver Haw's repeated statement that the family 260 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: had all been asleep when the blaze started. Additionally, prosecution 261 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: pointed out that the Hall Home was relatively small, it 262 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: should have been easy for anyone to escape the fire. 263 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: From the back bedroom to the front door was a 264 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: span of only about fifteen feet. The bedroom where the 265 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: three people had perished had two windows and two doors, 266 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: and it was ground level, so for Oliver's brother Jesse 267 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: to have been trapped in there was something of a 268 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: leap of logic as well. Another key part of the 269 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: prosecution's case was the fact that Dr Oliver Haw had 270 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: ordered a significant amount of hyaceine just prior to the fire, 271 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: and he had, as we mentioned before, purchased a large 272 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: amount of oil, and a five gallon oil can was 273 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: found nearly empty on the premises after the fire. The 274 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: big trail of oil running through the house also part 275 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: of the prosecution statement. Yes, okay, they were saying, like 276 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: he bought all this oil. Everyone said they saw an 277 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: oil fire. The oil can was empty just a couple 278 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: of days after he bought it, you know, because it 279 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: literally seems like maybe he poured a bunch of oil 280 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: out and then set it on fire. Like that seems 281 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: like the most obvious explanation for why there would be 282 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: a path of oil on fire running through the house. 283 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: It does, and there's a whole section of the testimony 284 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: that gets super deep into the weeds where people are 285 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: talking about what color the burning oil was, because some 286 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: of them are certain, like I know what this kind 287 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: of oil looks like burning and it's this gets blue, 288 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: and others saying no, no, it's yellow and that's what 289 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: I saw. So that gets really like I didn't include 290 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: that because like really in the weeds. Uh. Mostly it 291 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: just startles me that like that's the most obvious way. 292 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: Maybe not the most obviously, but what an incredibly obvious 293 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: way to burn your own house down. Yes, so literally 294 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: lay a trail of oil and set on fire. There 295 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: is a whole other element again, it gets in the 296 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: weeds with a testimony about whether or not this could 297 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: have been caused by a defective chimney that had a 298 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: leak of some sort. But even that, uh, and this 299 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: could perhaps be my layman's not knowledge of how chimneys work, 300 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: But I can't imagine one leaking oil in a clean 301 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: eight inch wide trail throughout a home. As you were 302 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: saying that, I was like, sure, sure, a defective chimney 303 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: that somehow lay a line of eight inch wide oil 304 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: across that Now, which lots of people saw because they 305 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: were running in and out trying to save the possessions. Anyway, 306 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: the defense's case set out to refute all of this 307 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: that we've just been talking about and pointed out that 308 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: there was no real proof to back up the charge 309 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: against top all of the evidence they claimed was circumstantial. 310 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: Conrad Mattern turned to the jury during open argument opening 311 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: arguments and said, when you knit together this chain of 312 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, hang upon the end of it a human life, 313 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: and see if it will bear the weight. Witnesses took 314 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: the stand. The prosecutors had people on hand, many of 315 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: whom had run in and out of the Hall home 316 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: trying to save anything of value the night of the blaze, 317 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: to testify about the empty oil can, the trail of oil, 318 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: and the untouched beds. And then Thomas Farrell took the 319 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: stand and testified that Oliver haw had first told him 320 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: everyone had gotten out of the house and then admitted 321 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: later that he had lied about that. Farrell also revealed 322 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: under cross examination that many of the community members had 323 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: gotten together at a meeting a few days after the 324 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: fire and had their own unofficial trial at which they 325 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: found Hot guilty. Yeah, this was made like a big 326 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: deal of during the trial that it's like, well, you 327 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: already you know, feel how you feel, and there's no 328 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: way that anyone in the community can ever see any 329 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: other option because you've already determined his guilt. And also 330 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: we think you kind of get off on all of 331 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: the attention you're getting for being part of this trial, 332 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: like that he was the man that knew that Oliver 333 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: Hall had lied to and un changed stories and yeah, 334 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: well then Detective Frank McBride, testifying on March six, told 335 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: the court that he had wanted the remains of the 336 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: Haws shown to the jury. He believed that Oliver had 337 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: poisoned his family's dinner. Remember when he mentioned that the 338 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: dinner needed seasoning, and that they had been alive when 339 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: the fire started, perhaps paralyzed or partially paralyzed, but still aware, 340 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: which really sets a gruesome, like extra gruesome tone to 341 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: the whole thing. And he felt that the body is 342 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: being so thoroughly burned. Also indicated that Hall may have 343 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: even filled their body cavities with oil in a super 344 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: grisly move to be very very thorough. Another key point 345 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: in the prosecution's case was the fact that a pocket 346 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: watch keys and a locket were found among the remains 347 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: of the Haws after the blaze, indicating that they were 348 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: not in their sleeping clothes when they died, but in 349 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: their day close. Additional points of note during the trial 350 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: indicate included a witness from the drug supply company used 351 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: by Haw, who was called to speak on the paralyzing 352 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: effect of hyocene and did indeed corroborate that it could 353 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: paralyze you. Uh. And doctor Haw, who escaped the blaze 354 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: and only his underclothes and an overcoat he claimed to 355 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: have hastily grabbed while fleeing, managed to put money in 356 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: his certificate from the Ohio Board of Medical Examiners in 357 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: his pockets. The prosecution pointed out that this suggested some 358 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: level of preparation, that he just happened to be able 359 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: to grab these two most important things to him while 360 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: running out of the house. 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When Klein asked 398 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: him if he could have murdered his family and not 399 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: remembered it, Hall replied, I tell you, when I've taken 400 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: morphine and cocaine, my mind gets broke down. There's a 401 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: possibility I murdered them and forgot it. It seems very 402 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: strange that he'd like, oh, yeah, I was on drugs. 403 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: After he had been treated for his burns later and 404 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: was like, no, don't give me morphine. I'm off the stuff. 405 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: So the prosecution seemed in tent on using the sensational 406 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: nature of Haw's background against him. They even called his 407 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: second wife, Delia Betters h, though her testimony actually turned 408 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: out to be relatively void of the excitement that the 409 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: onlookers seemed to be hoping for. UH. Questioning along the 410 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: lines of what it had been like to live with 411 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: Oliver Haw had been UH objected to and that objection 412 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: was sustained, and she was actually the last witness called 413 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: by the prosecution. The defensives case focused a lot on 414 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: the fact that there was no clear evidence that Ha 415 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: had ever taken possession of the Hya scene tablets that 416 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: he had ordered. There was witness testimony indicating that his 417 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: brother Jesse had picked up the parcel at the post office, 418 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: had a doctor examined the package and learning of his contents, 419 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: gave it to their father. Yeah, we don't know if 420 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: the uh the father ever handed it off to Oliver, 421 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: and there was some suspicion that he would not have 422 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: knowing what it contained. Additionally, Has lawyers attempted to refute 423 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: the prosecution's assertion that it would have been easy to 424 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: escape the burning home unless a person had been drugged. 425 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: They called witnesses that stated that a person who is 426 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: asleep in a burning room, even if they awakened, can 427 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: quickly lose consciousness. And they should doubt on the fire 428 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: being arson by making the case through expert testimony that 429 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: it behaved more like the result of a defective chimney 430 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: flew than a purposely set fire. Again, could not ever 431 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: explain away that trail of oil that ran through the house. 432 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: But the nature of the fire and the smoke color 433 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: and the sort of choking black smoke. Uh, they were 434 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: using to say, No, this could have been the fireplace 435 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: all in all. The trial ran for ten days, during 436 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: which fifty four witnesses had been called. The jury was 437 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: sent out for deliberations at four thirty pm on the 438 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: final day, as arrangements were being made for their dinner. 439 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: Around six pm, they were already ready with their verdicts. 440 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: They returned to the courtroom shortly before seven pm. Hall 441 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: was found guilty of drugging his mother and then dousing 442 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: her paralyzed body with kerosene and setting her on fire. 443 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: What about everyone else? Uh, they were only trying that 444 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: case first, I see, so Oliver has attorneys immediately moved 445 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: for a new trial, and Hall was taken back to 446 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: prison slouched and shuffling. Allegedly, a guard saw him stand 447 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: up normally and smoke a cigarette when he thought he 448 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: was out of sight, before returning to his more wilted posture. 449 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: The effort for a new trial continued under the reasoning 450 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 1: that a Hall had bought the Higho scene in an 451 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: effort to treat his own morphine addiction UH and that 452 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: bringing the juries to the crime scene had prejudiced the 453 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: jurors against Haw, that calling Delia Betters to the stand 454 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: was illegal because one spouse cannot testify against another. When 455 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: the new trial motion was overruled by the judge, the 456 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: defense entered a letter into evidence from family doctor Otho E. 457 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Francis That's the same one who thought that Haw should 458 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,239 Speaker 1: become a doctor in the first place, stating that he 459 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: believed Oliver Haw to be mentally unsound. A sanity in 460 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: quest was set for ap third six. This is basically 461 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: the only chance Hall had at not being executed, And 462 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: as this was being prepared for, it came to life 463 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: that Anna Ha had filed for divorce from Oliver several 464 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: months prior. Yeah. She had actually tried to keep that 465 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: very quiet because she just didn't want any additional stuff 466 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: around the trial, UH, and there was it had been 467 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: delayed several times, and there was actually a piece of 468 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: paperwork that was misfiled that caused it to become public knowledge, 469 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: which just blew up. She didn't want her kids involved 470 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: in any of this um publicity and court battle. And 471 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: during the second round of court time UH for the 472 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: sanity in quest, various witnesses were called for either side, 473 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: each of which gave their own assessments of haus mental state. 474 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: Both medical professionals and community members took the stand, and 475 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: in the end UH the jury determined that Hall was 476 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: sane and he was sentenced to death by electric chair. 477 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: Hall was immediately moved to the Ohio Penitentiary at Columbus, 478 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: where he was housed in the annex section for prisoners 479 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: who were sentenced to death. He had no visits for 480 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: family or friends, but did seem to become more social 481 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: with the other inmates than he had been with anyone 482 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: in a long time and his better days. Oliver Hall 483 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: was described as a charmer, but no one had seen 484 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: that side of him for quite some time. Oddly enough, 485 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: it showed itself in prison, as he jested and chatted 486 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: with the other doomed men. Despite continued efforts on the 487 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: part of his attorneys to reverse the decision and stay 488 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: hawes execution, his time ran out, and right up to 489 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: the end, his life was filled with odd happenings. A 490 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: blown fuse at the Columbus Public Service, which applied power 491 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: to the penitentiary, caused a twenty minute blackout at the prison. 492 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: Just before he was to be put to death. Power 493 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: was restored and the chair was tested hastily to make 494 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: sure it worked, and then hawes life ended. He died 495 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: in the electric chair on April nineteenth of nineteen o seven. 496 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: A statement from Hall ran in several papers just after 497 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: he was ested for the murders of his family. Interestingly enough, 498 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: it harkened back to the beginnings of his medical career, 499 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: when he claimed to be working on a project that 500 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: would be the next step in human evolution, inspired to 501 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: some degree by the story of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. 502 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: It went quote, they say that I murdered my father, 503 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: my mother, and my brother with hya scene for the 504 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: sake of money. Then they say that when I have 505 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: taken enough of the highest scene, the man within me 506 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: disappears and hide is the power. It seems as though 507 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: I must do something, destroy something. The only recourse is 508 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: to get out in the street, out into the open country, 509 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: away from men and women, unless I murder them. It 510 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: is possible for me to have killed these people and 511 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: know nothing of it. It is possible for me to 512 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: have committed all the other murders of which they accused me, 513 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: and in my normal condition being ignorance. For in my 514 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: normal condition I have another man. All I do know 515 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: is that if I die for these crimes, I shall 516 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: have at least established the proof of the theory on 517 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: which I have always insisted, that two beings, one of 518 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: good the other of evil, may exist in the same man. 519 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: And in that respect, at least I shall have rendered 520 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: a distinct service to posterity. An interesting way to look 521 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: at it. Hall was buried at the Mount Cavalry Cemetery 522 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio. His burial was witnessed only by a 523 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: reverend and his wife, Anna Haw, and his grave has 524 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: no headstone. So for those of you that were wildly 525 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: curious about that kid that David McCullum mentioned that turned 526 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: out to be a serial killer in his later life, 527 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: that's the scoop on Oliver Hall. I'm gonna say again 528 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: that I do wish there had been treatment right for 529 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: his addictions at the time when he lived, because that 530 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: would have saved lives. Undoubtedly, do you have listener mail 531 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: that's maybe not so. My listener mail is not gloomy 532 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: at all, Lovely. It's two different pieces of listener mail, 533 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: both about our episode on the Piata. The first is 534 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: from our listener Catherine. She said, So, I was listening 535 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: to your podcast on the Piata recently, and at one 536 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: point you mentioned Michaelangelo looking for the perfect piece of 537 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: marble for his sculpture, which reminded me of a thing 538 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: I learned in Latin class from years before. Fun fact, 539 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: dating back to at least Romans, marble dealers used to 540 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: try and sell people damaged pieces of marble by filling 541 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: in gaps or cracks with wax and thus disguising the 542 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: problems since it would blend with the natural pattern of 543 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: said marble marble. All of this is how we got 544 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: the words sincere, since the Latin sen sire means without wax, 545 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: while it generally referred to cups and smaller things like that, 546 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: I think it is something artists would have to be 547 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: concerned with as well. And while this is not really 548 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: relevant to the podcast on the Pieta, I hope I 549 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: have amused you with this fun little piece of info. Indeed, 550 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: I love stuff like that, a little bit of trivia. 551 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: My second one is a postcard from two listeners. I 552 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: hope I pronounced her name correctly. It's Asha and Regina 553 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: or perhaps Asha and Regina, and it says, dear Holly 554 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: and Tracy. My best friend and I are traveling through 555 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: Italy on a college rake and both of us listen 556 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: to your podcast religiously. After listening to a brief history 557 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: of the Pieta, we were very excited to see the 558 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: Pieta in Rome. Today. We finally did and it was 559 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: as beautiful as you said. Love from Roma, uh and 560 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: she h. The two girls sent us a postcard that 561 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: they bought at the Vatican, which is an absolutely beautiful 562 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: photograph of the Piata. It's lovely. 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